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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Foundation's podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Today's episode is all about our energy, dog

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Speaker 1: energy and why we should understand this connection better if

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Speaker 1: we want to have really good dogs. As I get older,

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Speaker 1: I've just come to realize that if you sit back

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Speaker 1: and watch people work, and by this I mean people

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Speaker 1: who really know what they're doing, you can learn a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to be judge or convince yourself that you

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Speaker 1: have things dialed, but when you get to observe someone

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Speaker 1: who is truly an expert in something, it can change

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Speaker 1: up your whole mindset. This happened to me a few

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Speaker 1: times in regard to dog training, and it really stuck.

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Speaker 1: It's also what this whole podcast is about, kind of.

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Speaker 1: It's about energy and projection of energy and why it's

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Speaker 1: so important for us to understand this whole thing when

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Speaker 1: we ask our dogs to do something for us. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's clear as munt. Maybe it is, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but listen up, and I'm going to get somewhere with

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Speaker 1: it real soon. I am not a horse guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't trust them, I don't understand them. I will reach

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Speaker 1: over a fence and give one a good scretch on

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Speaker 1: the nose. But even then, I'm like, is this thing

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Speaker 1: gonna headbutt me into Narnia just because it can? Now,

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Speaker 1: I will ride a horse into the mountains if that's

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Speaker 1: what it takes to get to places where the people

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Speaker 1: aren't and the wild things are. Even then I'll be

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Speaker 1: puckered up so tight that it's not an enjoyable experience

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Speaker 1: for me. I feel like, at any moment, I'm about

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Speaker 1: to get Superman right off of that hay burner. And

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Speaker 1: I don't mean the part where you fly through the

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Speaker 1: sky and save the world. I mean the part where

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Speaker 1: you cush in your fall with the ladder of your

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Speaker 1: vertebrae until one snaps and it suddenly becomes a different

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Speaker 1: thing to get anywhere, let alone up to twelve thousand feet,

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Speaker 1: where the late summer mule deer like to feed and

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Speaker 1: hide out from the bugs. I'm fascinated by the connection

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Speaker 1: to horses, though, even though the only dating advice my

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Speaker 1: chicks because they are often totally captain cuckoo bananas. The

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Speaker 1: people who know how to train horses and have them

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Speaker 1: built into their lives in some capacity just fascinate me.

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Speaker 1: There's a book out there that you all should read

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Speaker 1: called All the Pretty Horses. It's written by Cormack McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: a fellow who recently passed away but left us about

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Speaker 1: a dozen books that are all worth reading, although some

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Speaker 1: of them you're only going to want to read once

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Speaker 1: because they're pretty bleak. All the Pretty Horses isn't one

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Speaker 1: of those, though. It's incredible, and it kicks off a

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Speaker 1: trilogy of books that contain some of the finest wordsmithing

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Speaker 1: known to man. The main character is a young cowboy

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Speaker 1: who loses his place in the world and heads south

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Speaker 1: to Old Mexico with a buddy to forge a path

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Speaker 1: that's not exactly smooth. The symbolism with the horses throughout

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Speaker 1: is thick, and there is one point where the lead character,

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Speaker 1: John Grady Cole, soothes a horse with a burlap sack.

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Speaker 1: He runs it over the horse along its flanks and

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Speaker 1: to it, something that the author left his readers to

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Speaker 1: who don't understand treating a horse that way, but also

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Speaker 1: don't understand how coal can break a wild horse the

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Speaker 1: way he can, or get a horse to do anything

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Speaker 1: the way he can now. A few years ago, while

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Speaker 1: pushing out a dog podcast in my own before I

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Speaker 1: got swallowed up by the meat eater machine, I had

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Speaker 1: the pleasure to head down to Saint Louis to the

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Speaker 1: a guy named Jordan Horrock, who runs a lot of

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Speaker 1: to do anything. He has something that can't be taught,

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Speaker 1: and when he explained to the crowd of onlookers how

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Speaker 1: he gets one of his high drive dogs to do something,

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Speaker 1: But it's what Horrock didn't say but did that caught

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Speaker 1: What he says to them is up to the reader

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Broom. She's a certified badass on a lot of levels,

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Speaker 1: can't remember exactly how many dogs she brought, but I

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Speaker 1: like Horrock, where there is something going on that we

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Speaker 1: she jokes with them, and she often gets to their

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Speaker 1: work for Jordan. They aren't operating out of fear of

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Speaker 1: They are responding to them with an attitude toward doing

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Speaker 1: the work and having fun while doing it. Here's a

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Speaker 1: If you meet a high strung dog trainer, run away. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean someone who seems to just get work

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Speaker 1: editor I had who isn't in my top two people

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Speaker 1: Horrock Broom, Tom Doc and Josh Miller, Jeremy Moore and

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Speaker 1: trainers who I greatly resaive and who all have a

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Speaker 1: very calm demeanor. They can put you at ease without trying,

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Speaker 1: which I guess means we are probably as easy to

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Speaker 1: train as dogs, probably easier. Although my wife has been

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Speaker 1: a shitty dog, but it's probably a combination of both.

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Speaker 1: Any huski energy matters. That crazy fellow who figured out

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Speaker 1: few decades before we proved it, whose name is Einstein,

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Speaker 1: is often quoted as saying energy cannot be created or destroyed.

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Speaker 1: It can only be changed from one form to another.

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Speaker 1: But the Sun is very hot, and because of that,

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Speaker 1: some of the atoms in the Sun, of which there

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Speaker 1: a little package of energy that goes very fast in

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Speaker 1: all directions, one of which is toward Earth. Plants need

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Speaker 1: that energy. Everything here on Earth needs that energy. That's living,

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Speaker 1: you know, except maybe for some extremophiles living on the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean in volcanic vents, but even that's

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Speaker 1: up in plants, which ends up in animals and so on.

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Speaker 1: It just transfers through in many different forms. Energy is

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Speaker 1: wild like that. Think about it this way. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever had a really hard day at work. Maybe your

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Speaker 1: you know who's upstairs moving something really big around. She

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Speaker 1: in northern Wisconsin. But she yells louder and not in

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Speaker 1: a more loving tone. The energy is all wrong. Scratch that,

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Speaker 1: Your energy and your situation's energy are all out of balance.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking crystals here, or mercury being in retrograde

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm not talking about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about what's happening between you and your environment

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Speaker 1: and those in it. With which you have to interact. Now,

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Speaker 1: people pleaserer through and through and just looks you in

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Speaker 1: important as what energy you bring to the table. Let

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Speaker 1: it's forceful. It takes over a room. When my girls

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Speaker 1: them is vastly different. Now, although you know, adult dogs

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Speaker 1: and then suddenly one lunatic dog, which, if you're keeping count,

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Speaker 1: a guy who primarily writes squirrel hunting articles for his job,

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Speaker 1: which means he's just not going to fly too high

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Speaker 1: career wise. If you get my drift, dogs feed off

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Speaker 1: of our energy, but we often try to ignore this reality.

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Speaker 1: Think about it another way. Ever, had one of those

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Speaker 1: days in the pheasant slew where the roosters always get

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Speaker 1: How long can that last before your temper starts to

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Speaker 1: rise and your energy starts to go dark? In my case,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not proud of this, but I might as

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Speaker 1: well be honest with several thousand strangers it's very quickly,

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Speaker 1: and again I'm not proud of it. Do you know

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