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Speaker 2: So this is an extraordinary development that I wanted, really

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure to get in the show, even

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Speaker 2: though there's so much going on. The New York Times

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Speaker 2: did an investigation into this deal.

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Speaker 4: That was cut.

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Speaker 2: We can put this up on the screen involving Steve

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Speaker 2: Witcoff here, keep us up for a second. So the

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Speaker 2: headline here is anatomy of two giant deals. The UAE

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Speaker 2: got chips and the Trump team got crypto riches. So

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Speaker 2: it all sort of comes back to this. Sheikh ta

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Speaker 2: Noon and Amarati Royal who's in charge of their sovereign

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Speaker 2: wealth fund. So at the same time that he was

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Speaker 2: investing two billion dollars in World Liberty Financial, which is

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Speaker 2: the crypto company that's owned by the Witcoff and the

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Speaker 2: Trump families. At the same time, the White House decided

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Speaker 2: to give the UAE something they have sought for years,

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Speaker 2: which is access to the most sophisticated chips that they're

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Speaker 2: looking for for AI. David Zachs also involved in brokering

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Speaker 2: this deal, SAX being Trump's AI and cryptos are so

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Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't have a direct stake in like

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Speaker 2: World Liberty Financial, but he has a stake in this

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Speaker 2: industry more broadly and stands to potentially benefit from this

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Speaker 2: deal as well. So let me read you some of

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Speaker 2: went down and what the New York Times is asserting,

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Speaker 2: so they say. In May, Steve Whitcoff's son, Zach announced

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Speaker 2: the first of deals at a conference in Dubai. One

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Speaker 2: of Shaik Tanun's investment firms would deposit two billion dollars

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Speaker 2: into World Liberty Financial, a cryptocurrency startup founded by the

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Speaker 2: Whitcoffs and the Trumps. Two weeks later, the White House

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Speaker 2: agreed to allow the UAE access to hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of the world's most advanced and scarce computer chips, a

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Speaker 2: crucial tool in the high stakes race to dominate artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Many of the chips would go to G forty two,

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Speaker 2: that is, a sprawling tech firm controlled by that same Shake,

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Speaker 2: despite national security concerns the chips could be shared with China.

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Speaker 2: Those negotiations involved another key White House official that ties

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Speaker 2: the tech industry in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: That would be David Sex.

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Speaker 2: So they have a quick summary here, they say, okay,

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Speaker 2: So Number one, Steve Whitcoff, advocated to give the Emoralzies

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Speaker 2: access to those chips at the same time that they

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Speaker 2: some Trump administration officials who believed it was improper for

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Speaker 2: a working venture capitalist help broker these deals that could

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Speaker 2: benefit his industry. Number three, a senior executive based in

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Speaker 2: the UAE, worked simultaneously for World Liberty and for the

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Speaker 2: those two companies while the Amoradis were pushing to gain

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Speaker 2: this access to the AI chips. And finally some Trump

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Speaker 2: administration officials who were trying to limit that chips deal

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Speaker 2: were fired after Laura Lumer jumped in and said, you know,

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Speaker 4: So listen.

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Speaker 2: Even putting aside whether you think they should have accessed

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Speaker 2: people deserve to feel like foreign policy, especially significant national

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Speaker 2: and not in the interest of Trump and his shady

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Speaker 2: crypto deals. His net worth has exploded during this presidency.

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Speaker 4: Exploded.

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Speaker 2: I saw a figure that, you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: lot of itt Soger comes back to these crypto investments.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they are such a clear cut vessel for

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Speaker 2: when you loop in Steve Whitcoff, who has been you know,

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Speaker 4: This is just I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like world historic out in the open, brazen corruption and

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Speaker 2: it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Well, especially on the Trump side, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: David is basically a libertarian on these issues.

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Speaker 3: Like he has a tweet out today about why Nvidia

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Speaker 3: and all of those people should be allowed to sell

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Speaker 1: This is like consistent with his worldview.

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Speaker 3: What I think is very egregious is the wit Cough

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Speaker 3: deal where you have the UAE investor. Remember also it's

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Speaker 3: really not just Wickoff, it's Jared Kushner, and it's all

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Speaker 3: these other people too, Steve Mnushin, his former secretary, the Saudi's,

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Speaker 3: the UAE, all these other people have pumped money into

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Speaker 3: beneficial deals. What's crazy is that with the War liberty

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Speaker 3: financial deal involves the Trump family and directly is linked

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Speaker 3: to their overall net worth.

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Speaker 1: So that's the question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even they talk about Laura Lumer one of

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Speaker 3: the people that I believe that was after here was Dave.

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Speaker 1: Was David Fife.

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Speaker 3: If you don't know what fIF the last name is

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Speaker 3: it's by Douglas Fight. I believe that's David's his father

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Speaker 2: I think he was in the first Trump administer. You

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Speaker 2: don't he's he's been a China Hawk. I mean back

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Speaker 1: He served, that's over. So yeah, yeah, in the first term,

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Speaker 1: as you said, under China. So look, we could debate that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone it's like the Bush family, you know,

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Speaker 3: comes back to the appearance of corruption. And that's where

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Speaker 3: Trump himself has just opened the door to a historic degree,

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Speaker 3: one to which with these crypto deals in particular, like

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Speaker 1: Like in his very first week in office.

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Speaker 3: I remember, you know, they asked him about his net

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Speaker 3: worth and the reporter was like, I believe that you're

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, really, that's great news.

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Speaker 3: Well this time he bristled at a new question about

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Speaker 3: it and in fact threatened, because the journalist was Australian,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, in office could be engaged in time,

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Speaker 1: muchas with activity.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm really not.

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Speaker 6: My kids are.

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Speaker 7: Running the business.

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Speaker 4: I'm here.

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Speaker 7: You know what the activity where are you from?

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Speaker 4: I'm from the frondly in Baro company full flowing in.

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Speaker 7: Front of the Australia is you're hurting Australia right in

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Speaker 7: my opinion, you are hurting Australia very much right now

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Speaker 7: that they want to get along with me. You know

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Speaker 7: your your your leader is coming over to see me

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Speaker 7: very so I'm gonna tell them about you.

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Speaker 8: You said a very bad tone.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, you.

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Speaker 3: Quiet and I will be rot he say, I will

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Speaker 3: be reporting you to be You are hurting Australia very

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Speaker 3: much right now.

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Speaker 1: I will tell this about this.

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Speaker 3: To your leader. He goes, excuse me, and he says,

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Speaker 3: be quiet. So that's scary man. By the way, they

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Speaker 3: So good luck.

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Speaker 2: You have free speech here apparently into the next segment.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, he's listen, we don't know the half.

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Speaker 2: We don't know the half. I mean, we don't know

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Speaker 2: who's funneling money into the crypto. This is the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of in the first administration there was the Trump Hotel.

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Speaker 2: with Trump, like if you're the Saudi delegation, you're gonna come,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna stay in a big blocker room.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna spend lots of money at the Trump Hotel. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that was terrible. That was brazen corruption on its face

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Speaker 4: Billions of dollars, that's.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about here, in order to secure your

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Speaker 2: And then you hear him on a hot mic like

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Speaker 2: of foreign heads of state, you think they have any

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Speaker 2: qualms or scruples about just paying off Trump. Of course not,

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Speaker 2: of course they don't. So it's no wonder that his

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Speaker 2: net worth has skyrocketed primarily because of this crypto coin,

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Speaker 2: which obviously, you know, crypto, in my opinion, is just

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Speaker 2: like a meaningless pyramid scheme. But if you can get

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Speaker 2: he's going to make out like abandon and sell our

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Speaker 2: country down the river for his own wealth and riches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty scary, especially here. And you know, there's

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Speaker 3: only a few people actually really digging into it because

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Speaker 3: this New York Times thing took a lot. I do

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Speaker 3: want to shout out to coffee Zilla. He does a

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Speaker 3: lot of good job about like looking at there's this

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Speaker 3: more recent case. I don't know if he saw this

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Speaker 3: then somebody hired Pam Bondi's brother as their attorney and

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Speaker 3: against them. Yep, that's that's apparently how a lot works.

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Speaker 3: All right, some major breaking news over now. ABC Disney

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Speaker 9: He had some new lows over the weekend, with the

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Speaker 5: Adults on the locking your friend, Charlie Kirk, Sir, personally,

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Speaker 7: I think very good. And by the way, right there

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Speaker 3: Are you allowed to be stupid in this country. Yes,

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Speaker 1: First and foremost.

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Speaker 3: Pressure where people who were ABC affiliates who air Kimmel's

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Speaker 1: D Three guys, let's play it.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look,

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Speaker 5: These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take

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Speaker 3: Okay, we can do this the easy way or the

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Speaker 3: Commissioner Brennan Carr has tremendous power not only over ABC

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Speaker 3: This was a six point two billion dollar acquisition. Nextstar

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Speaker 3: a business decision. Look on Jimmy Kimmel, I haven't watched

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Speaker 3: That's all I got. I know nothing else about the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the timeline is Jimmy makes his comments.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ryan and Emley, we're just covering yesterday the

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Speaker 4: But when you have so many.

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Speaker 2: And probably the part Trump liked the least was the

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Speaker 2: In addition, Trump had threatened Kimmel before and predicted that

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Speaker 4: That is not true.

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Speaker 2: The reason he was fire is a pure lack of talent.

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Speaker 2: Colbert became victim to himself. The other two will follow,

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Speaker 2: So he says there, he predicts that next up will

441
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Speaker 2: be Jimmy Kimmel, and then Lo and Behold. They find

442
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Speaker 2: a pretext to put pressure on Kimmel, to put pressure

443
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Speaker 2: on ABC and to cause his removal as well. And

444
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Speaker 2: I have no doubt that the other two remaining late

445
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Speaker 2: night hosts are going to be next, because Trump is

446
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: saying that outright. He is predicting that outright. And you know,

447
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: some of the cope soccer that I've seen is like, okay, well,

448
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: these are mainstream institutions.

449
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: They suck anyway.

450
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Speaker 2: You know, people are moving away from them anyway, the

451
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: ratings suck, blah blah blah. And it's like, guys, if

452
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Speaker 2: you think if like Disney can't stand up to the

453
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Speaker 2: Trump administration. What you think we have a chance, like

454
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Speaker 2: any independent media outlet, You're dead. I mean, they quash

455
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Speaker 2: us like a bug in a heartbeat the minute that

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Speaker 2: they decide to. We know, Charlie Kirk, who is as

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Speaker 2: close aligned with was as close aligned with the Trump

458
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Speaker 2: administration as.

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Speaker 4: You could possibly be.

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Speaker 2: Even he was coming under pressure because he, you know,

461
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Speaker 2: had some quamps about the iron strikes and was not

462
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Speaker 2: one hundred million percent towing the line on Israeli, like

463
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Speaker 2: just even allowing some other voices in.

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Speaker 4: He was under tremendous pressure.

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Speaker 2: Like this is an incredibly dark landscape, and the hypocrisy

466
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Speaker 2: point goes. I mean, I'm sick of saying it at

467
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Speaker 2: this point, but some of the same Brendan call himself

468
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: was out there. You can go back and look at

469
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Speaker 2: a Twitter timeline, and it's tweet after tweet after tweet

470
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Speaker 2: about jaw owning, about government censorship, about free speech, about

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Speaker 2: how the government shouldn't have been in, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Twitter files, and how the government should have been involved,

473
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah, Like this is so far beyond anything.

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Speaker 2: And we objected to the things the Biden administration did,

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is so far beyond anything that

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Speaker 2: they did. It is in a completely different category. And look,

477
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Speaker 2: there's Brendan Carr completely turning on a dime now that

478
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Speaker 2: he has power because he knows the assignment.

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Speaker 4: If he is going to stay.

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Speaker 2: In that position and keep his title and keep his power,

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Speaker 2: he is going to operate the way Donald Trump wants

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Speaker 2: him to operate.

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Speaker 4: And that is what this is.

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying, honestly, it's just like we were. I was

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Speaker 3: thinking back. You remember the day after Charlie was shot,

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Speaker 3: I was killed. We did our show. It was on

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Speaker 3: nine to eleven. And in the reminder of what it

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Speaker 3: was like at that time, Bill Maher, who I'm not

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Speaker 3: a fan of, you know, I don't think that's secret

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Speaker 3: to anybody. He was on a show called Politically Incorrect,

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Speaker 3: and he said something about how actually the nine to

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Speaker 3: eleven hijackers were not cowards because it actually took a

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Speaker 3: lot of courage to like fly themselves into a building.

494
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Speaker 3: He was immediately canceled off of the air, almost exactly

495
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Speaker 3: what some twenty four years to the day, that happened

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Speaker 3: on September seventeenth, two thousand and one, and in the

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Speaker 3: very similar context, Ari Fleischer, the White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 3: went on the White House podium and said that people

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Speaker 3: should be careful about what they say on TV. That

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Speaker 3: is literally the only precedent I can think of for

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Speaker 3: something like this. That is not where I want to

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Speaker 3: be again. And in fact, like you said about the hypocrisy,

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Speaker 3: what makes this worse for me in particular is that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so why did you come on all of why did

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Speaker 3: you go on Glenn Greenwald's show? Why did you tweet

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Speaker 3: about censorship about job owning? And recognize the grave threats

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Speaker 3: of government censorship, like, for example, when the Biden White

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Speaker 3: House is pressuring the original Twitter to cancel Alex Berenson

509
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Speaker 3: for spreading what he you know, for anti COVID vaccine views.

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Speaker 1: I objected to that.

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Speaker 3: When the FBI was asking Twitter to take down you know,

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Speaker 3: election quote denial posts or whatever, I thought it was outraged.

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Speaker 3: That is nothing compared to this, Like this is a

514
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Speaker 3: completely other level. And also I see a lot of

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Speaker 3: liberals Dan Fifer, I just saw his tweet where he's

516
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Speaker 3: like cowardly Disney, to be honest, what are you supposed

517
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Speaker 3: to do? Disney is a shareholder driven as a fiduciary

518
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Speaker 3: responsibility to make money. They are a massive media conglomerate.

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Speaker 3: This is part of the reason it's always sucked that

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Speaker 3: they even that these people even own news organizations what

521
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Speaker 3: like imagine you know they have Disney Shanghai.

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Speaker 1: Trump can destroy them.

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Speaker 3: He can literally just cancel the visas or whatever if

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Speaker 3: they want to for the amusement park business, or they

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Speaker 3: can mess up their broadcast licenses, or I mean, I

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Speaker 3: could go on forever. It's a massive conglomerate. We you know,

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Speaker 3: think about Harvard University or CBS News Paramount everything. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the totality of the government's power is such that if

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Speaker 3: it's going to be used in this, the biggest people

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Speaker 3: can't stand up, and neither can the smallest. Nobody really

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Speaker 3: has anything to say in the face of this, Like

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Speaker 3: it's not possible. That's why you were saying, like you

533
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Speaker 3: can be quashed. Yes, you actually can. Like that is

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Speaker 3: the reality. And we had some binding organize you know,

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Speaker 3: binding organized norms. But like the truth is is like

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it's going to happen anyways.

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Speaker 2: No, it really doesn't, right, and the courts aren't going

538
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Speaker 2: to save you. Look at the Supreme Court, they've given

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Speaker 2: him everything. He's wont practically everything he's wanted. You know,

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Speaker 2: they'll just use the shadow docket to push it down

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Speaker 2: the road, let him get away with it. So many

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Speaker 2: of these news organizations have already been and I want

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Speaker 2: to emphasize the broader landscape here. You now have these

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Speaker 2: massive conglomerates in the hands of Trump allies. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about CBS likely in the future, CNN trying to buy

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Speaker 2: You're going to have as HBO. So John Oliver, you know,

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00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: for those of you who are John Oliver fans, and

548
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: obviously he's very critical of Trump and does effectively like

549
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: some investigative reporting, you know, that could be in danger.

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Speaker 2: You have the you have the TikTok sale into the

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Speaker 2: hands of the same family. We'll be involved with that.

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Speaker 2: And then you have and by the way, there's already

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Speaker 2: censorship on TikTok. I was just reading this morning now

554
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: that they have this like IDF censor installed there as well.

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00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: And you have Twitter already in the hands of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this really is like textbook what or bonded

557
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Speaker 2: in Hungary. You you threaten and cajole the media organizations

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Speaker 2: that your allies don't directly own, so that they bend

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Speaker 2: the knee, and then you have allies who are in charge,

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Speaker 2: who run these other giant conglomerates that just basically become

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Speaker 2: like state media.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's where we are. That is where we are.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's not coming, it's not a threat like

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Speaker 2: we are here, and it's extremely dark. It is extremely dark,

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Speaker 2: you know, to your point about well what.

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Speaker 4: Could they do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just I think, listen, I do think.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's cowardly for you know, these companies.

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Speaker 2: But I also I'm under no illusions like you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a leftist. I understand where capital is bread is butter.

571
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: They're never going to save you from fascism. You can't

572
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Speaker 2: rely on them for that. The best you could do

573
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: is have counter pressure so that they feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: well I know what the cost is for going against Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be a cost for bending to Trump?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be a cost in viewership? Is

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Speaker 2: there going to be a cost for my workers? Is

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Speaker 2: there going to be costs from a future potential democratic

580
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Speaker 2: administration to try to change the calculus. But you can't

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Speaker 2: rely on them to be hearers here. That's never going

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Speaker 2: to a yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: Why I'm never going to happen that this like, oh

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Speaker 3: Disney's I'm like no, Like, here's the thing again, what

585
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: are you supposed to do? Like you want to invite

586
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Speaker 3: massive legal pressure from the US government over one of

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Speaker 3: the most regulated businesses in the world, which is network television.

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00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Be real here, I'm just look, it's the same when

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Speaker 3: we thought earlier, remember with the George Defanopolis case that

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Speaker 3: they settled, or CBS News and others where Trump would

591
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: do these media or they do it for a reason

592
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Speaker 3: because the government can crush you.

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Speaker 1: Like that's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: This government has demonstrated their willingness to use every facet

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Speaker 2: of government to destroy you, to you know, block your

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Speaker 2: deals and you know, deny your visas or you know,

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00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: put just put you on blast and you know, create

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Speaker 2: some news cycle around how terrible you are. Like they

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Speaker 2: will do anything to get their way, and you know,

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Speaker 2: this is one of the This is such a clear cut,

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Speaker 2: dire example because again, listen, like the joke, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: even it was stupid, right, it was stupid.

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Speaker 3: It was also literally not true, like it was factually

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Speaker 3: incorrect about the.

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Speaker 4: Fine issue a correction like that's the way that goes.

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Speaker 2: And then at the same time, Yeah, I mean, listen,

607
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: also be precious about this, Like Ted Cruz was out

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Speaker 2: there lying about Melissa Hortman's killer and what their political

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Speaker 2: affiliation was.

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Speaker 4: I seem to recall.

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Speaker 2: When Mike Lee was out there joking about the guy

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Speaker 2: who who tried to murder Paul Pelosi and beat him

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Speaker 2: over the head with a hammer and fractured his skull.

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Speaker 2: So you know, like, let's not be precious about the

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Speaker 2: way everybody is trying to characterize these political attempt at

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Speaker 2: assassins and killers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think was Mike Lee. Did he do the

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Speaker 3: I thought that he I thought he made a joke.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was about Paul Pelosi. I think

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Speaker 3: it was about the Portman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was. He said something like nightmare on Wall Street.

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Speaker 2: Well there were a ton there. Yeah, thank you for

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Speaker 2: the correction. I don't want to also be wrong.

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Speaker 4: And I was going to say, be canceled.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this to cover our own asses.

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Speaker 2: But there were plenty on the right who thought it

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Speaker 2: was hilarious and made up all kinds of lies about

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Speaker 2: the lunatic who came to try to kidnap Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 2: and instead beat Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer.

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Speaker 2: You can certainly go back and take a look at that,

631
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Speaker 2: but you know, we all know what this is about.

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Speaker 2: Trump set him in his sights. He said, Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 2: is next, and then the moment they had a pretext brunning

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Speaker 2: Carr comes out, threatens them, threatens next star and do

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Speaker 2: we have the what Sinclair has decided they're going to do.

636
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Speaker 3: Says that Kimmel's suspension is not enough, calls on FCC

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Speaker 3: and ABC to take additional action. Sinclair's ABC stations to

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Speaker 3: air a special in remembrance of Charlie Kirk during Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Kimmel's live time slot on Friday. As discussed with ABC

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Speaker 3: earlier today, Sinclair decided to in definitely preempt Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 3: Live beginning today. Following these discussions, ABC has suspended production

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Speaker 3: of Jimmy Kimmel Live. They go on and say that

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Speaker 3: special ABC stations will air special in remembrance of Charlie

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Speaker 3: Kirk this Friday during jim Y Kimmel's live slot. The

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Speaker 3: special will also air across all Sinclair stations this weekend.

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Speaker 3: In addition, Sinclair is offering the special to all ABC

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Speaker 3: affiliates across the country. Sinclair will not lift the suspension

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Speaker 3: of Jimmy Kimmel Live on our stations until formal discussions

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Speaker 3: are held with ABC and their commitment to professionalism in

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Speaker 3: the accountability. They also called on Kimmel to issue a

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Speaker 3: direct apology to the Kirk family. Furthermore, we asked mister

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Speaker 3: Kimmel to make a meaningful personal donation to Charlie, the

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Speaker 3: Kirk family and to the Turning Point USA.

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Speaker 2: So we're trying to compel a personal donation from Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Kimmel to Turning Point USA and the Kirk family directly

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Speaker 2: and airing a Charlie Kirk special in lieu of Jimmy Kimmel,

657
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Speaker 2: like is unreal.

658
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Speaker 4: We can put the fire.

659
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Speaker 1: There's always been one of those who they are right wing.

660
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Next Star is too, by the way, and

661
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Speaker 2: not the one that alex Acosta is on the board of.

662
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Speaker 3: No, that's Newsmax. I think, well, I need to look

663
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Speaker 3: at the different next time.

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Speaker 2: Most Nation is owned by Next Star, yes, which also

665
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Speaker 2: owns our former employer.

666
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Speaker 1: Thank god.

667
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Speaker 3: Yes, you guys want to see how nice it is

668
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Speaker 3: not to be imagine trying to cover this. Imagine trying

669
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Speaker 3: to cover this while working over there. By the way,

670
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Speaker 3: this is reality, Like, how's ABC News going to cover this?

671
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: Ship they're owned by Jimmy Kimmel or owned by Disney.

672
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Speaker 4: They will be quaking in their book.

673
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Speaker 1: You can't say anything. Also, yeah, and.

674
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Speaker 2: Your company has made it clear they're not going to

675
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Speaker 2: stand up.

676
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Speaker 4: You're on your own.

677
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Speaker 1: How is CNN going to cover it?

678
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Speaker 3: CNN is literally about to get potentially or at least

679
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Speaker 3: there's an all cash offer out there by the Ellison

680
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Speaker 3: family to buy w B D Warner Brothers Discovery, which

681
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Speaker 3: is the parent.

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Speaker 1: Company of CNN.

683
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Speaker 3: So what are they going to say, because if you

684
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Speaker 3: say something, you're probably going to get acts if you

685
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Speaker 3: get bought. And then on the other channel over on

686
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Speaker 3: Fox News, Oh yeah, Fox has no problems whatsoever the

687
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Speaker 3: FCC right, or of course they'll get a free pass

688
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Speaker 3: potentially under this.

689
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Speaker 2: Brennan Carr went on with Sean Hannity last night to

690
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Speaker 2: brag about all of it. I mean, they're taking credit

691
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Speaker 2: for it, Like that's the thing is, you can't delude yourself.

692
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Speaker 2: They are taking credit for it. When the news came out,

693
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Speaker 2: Brendan Carr replied to a reporter with like a victorious emoji.

694
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like it's undeniable what is going

695
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Speaker 2: on here. And they want people to know. They want

696
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Speaker 2: media companies to know that this was them, that they

697
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Speaker 2: did it. We can put D seven up on the screen.

698
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Speaker 2: This is reaction from fire, they said. The government pressure

699
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Speaker 2: at ABC, and ABC cave the timing of ABC's decision

700
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Speaker 2: on the heels of the FCC chairman's pledge the network

701
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Speaker 2: to do this the easy way.

702
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Speaker 4: The hard way tells the whole story.

703
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Speaker 2: Another media outlet withered under government pressure, ensuring that the

704
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Speaker 2: administration will continue to extort exact retribution on broadcasters and

705
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Speaker 2: publishers who criticize it. We cannot be a country where

706
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Speaker 2: late night talk show hosts serve at the pleasure of

707
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Speaker 2: the president. But until institutions grow a backbone and learn

708
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Speaker 2: to resist government pressure, that is the country we are.

709
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Speaker 2: So there you go, and last piece here, you know,

710
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: like this is just the beginning of the threatened crackdown.

711
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Speaker 2: We can put D eight up on the screen. Trump says,

712
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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to inform our many USA patriots. I'm designating

713
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Speaker 2: Antifa a sick, dangerous radical left disaster as a major

714
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization also be strongly recommending those funding Antifa be

715
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Speaker 2: thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices.

716
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Speaker 2: He did something similar to this in his first term.

717
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Speaker 2: And Tifa is not actually a real thing, Like it's

718
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Speaker 2: not like an organization, you know, an organization the way

719
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Speaker 2: that you typically think of organizations. Anti fascism is an

720
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Speaker 2: ideology of opposing fascism. And then there's you know, Antifa

721
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Speaker 2: is associated with like a series of confrontational tactics, but

722
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Speaker 2: it's not like a real thing. So you know, remains

723
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Speaker 2: to be seeing what actual impact this has because he

724
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Speaker 2: did try to do the same thing the first time.

725
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Speaker 2: But as was predicted, they are using the assassination of

726
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk to further crushed dissent, punish their political opponents,

727
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Speaker 2: and consolidate power. That's what he does. If it wasn't this,

728
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Speaker 2: it would be something else. But this, you know, has

729
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Speaker 2: provided also like a very heated emotional climate in which

730
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Speaker 2: to try to do these things, and you know, that's

731
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Speaker 2: that's where we are. This is the first like clear

732
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Speaker 2: cut action under this new it's not new, but an

733
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Speaker 2: escalation of the previous tactics of the Trump administration to

734
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Speaker 2: use any sort of crisis, emergency or invented crisis or

735
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Speaker 2: emergency to crush descent and consolidate power.

736
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Speaker 4: And that's where we have.

737
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is literally I mean I just looked it up.

738
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Speaker 3: It's September eighteenth, twenty twenty five, twenty four years and

739
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Speaker 3: one day to the day since Bill Maher was canceled

740
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Speaker 3: on politically incorrect under pressure from the Bush administration.

741
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Speaker 2: Let me say too, like his thing was more provocative.

742
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Speaker 2: I don't defend him being fired.

743
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Speaker 1: Here's what he said.

744
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: It was definitely more well evocative than this.

745
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

746
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Speaker 3: This is what I've come to take away. The worst

747
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Speaker 3: thing that happened. I saw a really insightful tweet where

748
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Speaker 3: when Tucker recently said something about Bin Lauden and somebody

749
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Tucker would have been the guy today

750
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Speaker 3: who would have interviewed Bin Laden after nine to eleven,

751
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Speaker 3: And someone said, can you imagine how different history would

752
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Speaker 3: have been if someone had interviewed Bin Lauden after nine

753
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Speaker 3: to eleven? And that's really stuck with me because the

754
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Speaker 3: fact is is that the inability to discuss, to talk

755
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Speaker 3: and to be I have to have any fulsome conversation

756
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Speaker 3: about foreign policy or about the reasons that that happened

757
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Speaker 3: led to the war in Iraq, it led to, you know,

758
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Speaker 3: the disastrous twenty year experiment in Afghanistan. It destroyed, bankrupted

759
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Speaker 3: the entire country, not to mention all of the downstream

760
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Speaker 3: consequences and millions of lives, you know, that were killed.

761
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Speaker 1: Here's what Bill Maher said.

762
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Speaker 3: He said, quote, we have been cowards lobbing cruise missiles

763
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Speaker 3: from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly, staying in the

764
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Speaker 3: airplane when it hits a building. Say what you want

765
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Speaker 3: about it. It's not cowardly. I mean, look, that is

766
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Speaker 3: a crazy thing to say. But what is the crux

767
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Speaker 3: of what he's trying to say is that US military

768
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Speaker 3: adventurism has led to blowback.

769
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Speaker 1: Right.

770
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Speaker 3: That was the theory that was put forth by leftists

771
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Speaker 3: and libertarians after the immediate aftermath of nine to eleven,

772
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Speaker 3: and then when the gen z Zoomers rediscovered the bin

773
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Speaker 3: laden letter, they were like, wait, this wasn't just because

774
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Speaker 3: they quote hated us for our freedoms. Some of them did, Okay,

775
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Speaker 3: some of them actually did. They were crazy. Some of

776
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Speaker 3: them were used like in political terrorism ideology, would use

777
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Speaker 3: legitimate grievances to say that is why an indictment of

778
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Speaker 3: the American people. But imagine if we'd actually had that

779
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Speaker 3: type of conversation. And that's exactly why his cancelation and

780
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: the eventual praise by the Bush administration was a tone

781
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Speaker 3: of how things were then to come when in two

782
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Speaker 3: thousand and two, when we all start talking about yellowcake

783
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Speaker 3: uranium and cheerly and we don't want the smoking gun

784
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Speaker 3: to be a mushroom cloud, that we invade the country

785
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Speaker 3: of Iraq. Like you may think I'm exaggerating this, I

786
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: watched all this shit happen in my entire life. The

787
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Speaker 3: only reason I'm here is to fight against it. So

788
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: to see it happen again, I don't know.

789
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Speaker 1: It's sick.

790
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Speaker 2: Really is sick, It really is. I think that's the

791
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Speaker 2: best way to put it. All Right, We've got a

792
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Speaker 2: really insightful guest standing by. I just wrote a book

793
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Speaker 2: on the failures of the attempted peace process between the

794
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Speaker 2: Israelis and the Palestine.

795
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Speaker 4: So let's get to that.

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Speaker 2: We are extremely fortunate to be joined this morning by

797
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Speaker 2: Robert Mally. He served in senior Middle East positions in

798
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Speaker 2: the administrations of Presidence Clinton Obama and Biden, who's president

799
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Speaker 2: and CEO of the International Crisis Group, author of a

800
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Speaker 2: new book, Tomorrow Is Yesterday, Life, Death, and the Pursuit

801
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Speaker 2: of Peace in Israel Palestine, along with his co author

802
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Speaker 2: Hussein Aga, and he joins us.

803
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Speaker 4: Now, great to have you, sir.

804
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So just talk to us a little

805
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Speaker 2: bit about why you wanted to write this book in

806
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Speaker 2: this moment, which really details the even failed conception of

807
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Speaker 2: the Oslo process and you know, the peace negotiations that

808
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Speaker 2: you were a part of. And of course the broader

809
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: context here is this book comes at a moment when

810
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Speaker 2: you know, the international consensus is truly formed that Israel

811
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Speaker 2: is committing genocide in Gaza against the Palestinian people.

812
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Speaker 8: Right, So we started from a premise after October seventh,

813
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Speaker 8: looking at what was happening and looking at it from

814
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Speaker 8: the Palatine perspective. It's all a reenactment to what they've

815
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Speaker 8: lived in the past, you know, being forced to flee

816
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Speaker 8: their land, and then forced to flee the land to

817
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Speaker 8: which they were forced to flee, and then being it struck,

818
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Speaker 8: and then being struck in a place that they were

819
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Speaker 8: told they needed to take refuge, dispossessed, having lost everything,

820
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Speaker 8: everything they had, all their possessions, the loved ones. So

821
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Speaker 8: this is for them of reenactment to what they lived

822
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Speaker 8: in nineteen forty eight. In other ways too, in terms

823
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Speaker 8: of not having a natural movement that could back then

824
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Speaker 8: feel them isolated, a drift alone in their land. And

825
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Speaker 8: on the Israeli side, October seventh was relived. Just listen

826
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Speaker 8: to their vocabulary. It's the worst massacre of juice ince

827
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Speaker 8: the Holocaust. It's another pogrom. So even the vocay, the

828
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Speaker 8: experience of the vocabulary is all things from my generation,

829
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Speaker 8: for Hussein's generation, generation, which speaks to us from the past.

830
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Speaker 8: Which is why we entitled the book Tomorrow's Yesterday, because

831
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Speaker 8: it is hard for anyone who's lived this, who's seen this,

832
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Speaker 8: who's witnessed this, not to think we've been here before

833
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Speaker 8: in the way in how Israelis and Palcines are living

834
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Speaker 8: their struggle, a communal, existential struggle between two peoples. And

835
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Speaker 8: in terms of the vocabulary that's been used, and so

836
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Speaker 8: the question is what happened? How could we have had

837
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Speaker 8: thirty years of a peace process led by the United

838
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Speaker 8: States where the United States was the sole superpower, and

839
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Speaker 8: Presidents Clinton and Bush and Obama all said, this is

840
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Speaker 8: a priority for US is to reach peace. And here

841
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Speaker 8: we are as if nothing had happened, as if that

842
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Speaker 8: peace process had just been a fleeting, a bunch of

843
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Speaker 8: just hot air. So that's the story of this book,

844
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Speaker 8: is that disconnect between the realities on the ground and

845
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Speaker 8: this artificial peace process. It was designed to reach peace

846
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Speaker 8: and did the opposite.

847
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Speaker 3: You know, Robert, Well, how do you reflect on that

848
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Speaker 3: It's been twenty five years since Camp David.

849
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Speaker 1: You were early there. There was a lot of hope

850
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Speaker 1: in that moment.

851
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Speaker 3: So how do you think back on the legitimacy of

852
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Speaker 3: the Camp David process itself?

853
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Speaker 1: Was it a useful exercise? What did it teach you?

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Speaker 8: Well, obviously at a personal level, I have to reflect,

855
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Speaker 8: as does husaying at the fact that we were both

856
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Speaker 8: actors in all of these episodes, and so we were

857
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Speaker 8: guilty of the same illusions, illusions and even deceit that

858
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Speaker 8: was part of this process.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Camp David.

860
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Speaker 8: The reason we spent some time in the book talking

861
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Speaker 8: about it is that I've heard so many politicians and

862
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Speaker 8: officials and former officials in the US say, well, if

863
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Speaker 8: only the Palicinians said yes, said Camp David, we wouldn't

864
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Speaker 8: be here, and therefore they incur responsibility, which one level is,

865
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Speaker 8: you know, is pretty egregious to say in any event

866
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Speaker 8: that palasing people would incur the responsibility of what, as

867
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Speaker 8: you just said, increasing number of people are calling a

868
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Speaker 8: genocide because of something that happened twenty five years ago.

869
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Speaker 8: But as we as we lay out, Camp David itself

870
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Speaker 8: was based on a hoax, which is the fundamental misunderstand

871
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Speaker 8: between the two sides of what they thought the Osclo

872
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Speaker 8: process was about. For the Palatine they thought this was

873
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Speaker 8: about self determination, justice, redemption, and for ISRAELI saw this

874
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 8: was about absolute security. What they cared about was not

875
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 8: granting Palestinian rights, but achieving security, and that sort of

876
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 8: talking past each other, with the US not playing the

877
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 8: role of really trying to mediate, but putting some on

878
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 8: the scale. For one side, I think we could look back. Yes,

879
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 8: it was a missed opportunity in the sense that it failed,

880
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 8: but we were never close. Contrary to what I may

881
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 8: have believed at the time, there was no congruence between

882
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 8: the visions of Israelis and Palestinians about where they were,

883
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 8: where they were headed, and what the conflict was about.

884
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Let's put E three up on the screen here and

885
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: bring this to the connect what you're saying to the

886
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: modern day. We've got Basil ols Modrich, who you know,

887
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: just explain. He describes Gaza as a potential real estate bonanza.

888
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: Israel's talking with the US about how to divide it up.

889
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: You know, Israel has been was given more or less

890
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: a cart blanche from the Biden administration, but I mean

891
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: truly carte blanche here with regard to the Trump administration,

892
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: the number of countries they've bombed. You know, there was

893
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: maximous fringe characters getting their way in terms of you know,

894
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: as we speak, there's an ethnic cleansing going on. There's

895
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: a plan in place, backed by the President of the

896
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: United States to complete that ethnic cleansing, and you know,

897
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: in service of I guess his real estate ambitions here. So,

898
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, how do you view the US's role now

899
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: as we come to this moment where I mean, not

900
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: only does does peace not seem possible, just basic survival

901
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: doesn't seem possible from the Palestinian perspective.

902
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 8: First, I'd say Obviously, what you just showed again and

903
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 8: echo from the past, it's not that long ago that

904
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 8: is there any as we're talking in those terms about

905
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 8: raiding the land of all Palestinians, greater Israel ethnic trensing

906
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 8: again on both sides, you see really a re enactment

907
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 8: of the past. But in terms of the US role, yes,

908
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 8: what President Trump is doing so far has been giving

909
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 8: a court launch.

910
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 6: And enabling Israel basically to do whatever it wishes.

911
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 8: I don't think that can make the Body administration look

912
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 8: much better because, frankly, what the Body administration did was

913
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 8: paved the way by normalizing a set of behaviors, attitudes, policies,

914
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 8: whether it's the use of food as a weapon of war,

915
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 8: whether it is indiscriminate targeting of Palestinians, all of that

916
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 8: was done under the Body administration with greater criticism, vocal

917
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 8: rhetorical criticism on the part of the Bidy administration, but

918
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 8: essentially not doing anything that would stop it. So, yes,

919
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 8: the Trump administration is making this significantly worse, but the

920
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 8: ground was laid in the term that preceded it.

921
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's very important to say, so, Robert,

922
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 3: in terms of how you see the future and how

923
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: the US should handle or I mean, for years, as

924
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: I think you're pointing to, the two state solution was

925
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: a mantra, It was a shibble. If it's what we're doing,

926
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Speaker 3: it's what we're working towards. The Israelis based, they don't,

927
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: they don't even pretend anymore that it's a pretense of

928
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: something that will exist. So in that environment, what can

929
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: and should the diplomatic position of the US be.

930
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Speaker 6: It's a great question.

931
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Speaker 8: And you know, having again and this had been part

932
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Speaker 8: of failed attempts and attempts that were chasing an illusion,

933
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Speaker 8: it's hard for me to be in the position now,

934
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Speaker 8: So saying I know what to do, I do think

935
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Speaker 8: it's an interesting thought experiment, you know, at least to

936
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 8: think about what the world would have been like if

937
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 8: the US had not even tried pretend to try to

938
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 8: reach peace, if it had stayed out, if it had

939
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 8: not warped the playing field in a way that provided

940
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Speaker 8: Israel with impunity and allowed Israel not to live through

941
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Speaker 8: the consequences of its actions, convinced the pala Scenes that

942
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Speaker 8: somehow the US was going to rectify the last asymmetry

943
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 8: of power between the two sides propped up effeckless palace

944
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 8: in authority, which actually was acting as a subc contractor

945
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 8: for Israeli security and not doing a very good job

946
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 8: at that so and elbowing out other actors and delegitimizing

947
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 8: other forms of activism, whether it's civil obedience, boycott, sanctions,

948
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Speaker 8: international account of justice and accountability.

949
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 6: So the US has.

950
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 8: Played in many ways a very negative role in pfriderating

951
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 8: the status quo.

952
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 6: So at least as a thought experiment.

953
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Speaker 8: If the US really took a took a time out

954
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 8: and wasn't involved it, it'd be interesting that they think

955
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 8: of how things would evolve. Right now, I think there's

956
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 8: only one priority. It's probably one, two, and three. It

957
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 8: should have been those priorities under the Biden administration, which

958
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 8: is to end the carnage that's taking place in Gaza

959
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 8: and everything else. We could talk about the future at

960
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 8: some point, we could talk about, you know, whatever is

961
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 8: happening at the UN in terms of recognizing and palaced

962
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 8: and state it doesn't exist and won't exist. But there's

963
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 8: only one thing that which is to stop this, which

964
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 8: means that Israel should be put in the position where

965
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 8: it will pay the consequence of its actions if it continues,

966
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 8: and everything else is pure rhetoric.

967
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Does us public opinion matter in this at all? Because obviously,

968
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: you know the base of the Democratic Party. I think

969
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: some eighty percent see it as a genis They are

970
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly appalled at what is happening. They want to cut

971
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: off funds to Israel, they want to do what it

972
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: takes to end the carnage. You know, you have some

973
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: Democratic politicians who are belatedly getting on board. You had

974
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders yesterday, and Rocana and Becca Ballant being the

975
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: latest come forward and say, yes, this is a genocide.

976
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: We accept the international consensus. Independence buy and large there

977
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: as well, and even young Republicans. I mean, this is

978
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: part of you know, the questions swirling around the pressure

979
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: that was being put on on Charlie Kirk, you know,

980
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: in the in the days and weeks before he was assassinating.

981
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to play for you this this clip from

982
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly, who has been very you know, very pro Israel.

983
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: You know, she's certainly pro Zionist and largely on that side,

984
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: but even she is sounding the alarm about young people

985
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: and their view of Israel and the way that it

986
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: has shifted dramatically. This is e one, guys, Let's go

987
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: and play this and.

988
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: Let's face it.

989
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 10: Charlie was like an unofficial spokesperson for the youth of America,

990
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 10: in particular conservative youth. And I don't know if people

991
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 10: have checked, but they no longer support Israel. Everybody under

992
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 10: thirty is against Israel. Charlie was thirty one.

993
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: Everybody under thirty like, they don't support Israel is what

994
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly is saying there.

995
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 4: So I mean, does this matter at all? Is it

996
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: too late?

997
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: Does US public opinion move the needle in terms of

998
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: what our government is ultimately going to do and how

999
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: they're going to react for the future.

1000
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 6: Oh, it's interesting.

1001
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 8: I mean one of the benefits of having been around

1002
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 8: for a long time is experience. The flip side is cynicism,

1003
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 8: and so I have to check my cynicism because it's

1004
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 8: been a long time that people have said, maybe that

1005
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 8: the US political system will change, and it hasn't.

1006
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 6: I do think things are different now.

1007
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 8: And my current profession is to teach, and I see

1008
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 8: students and I always think to myself, these students are

1009
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 8: something is going to shape their foreign policy vision about

1010
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 8: how they view America and the role that America should

1011
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 8: play in the world. For me personally, it was the

1012
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 8: Vietnam War through my parents opposed it, and then the

1013
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 8: war in Iraq, which I opposed. Those were the sort

1014
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 8: of the signal of milestones in my form policy education

1015
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 8: for today's generation and next generation of takes those who

1016
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 8: are going to have positions of power in the future.

1017
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 8: It's the Warren Gazna, American complicity, American enabling of again

1018
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 8: what increasing number of people calling a genocide, American support

1019
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 8: for the military operations there, and its hypocrisy, and I

1020
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 8: think all that inevitably is going to have an impact.

1021
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 8: You just mentioned it has an impact on young Democrats,

1022
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 8: and then you mentioned something equally important, which is what's

1023
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 8: happening on some of the Republican side. You mentioned some

1024
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 8: of the people there, someone like David Smith, I think

1025
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 8: is one of the most articulate opponents of a view

1026
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 8: of changing American policy to be more consistent with our

1027
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 8: moral compass and at a minimum, more consistence with their interests,

1028
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 8: because it's hard to see how signing with a country

1029
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 8: that is increasingly or signing with the policies of a

1030
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 8: country that are increasingly being isolated, and it's going to

1031
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 8: give rise to a generation.

1032
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 6: I hate to say this, but it's the truth. It's

1033
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 6: the truth.

1034
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 8: The generation Palestinians on Arabs whose only memory is going

1035
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 8: to be of what happened in cast will have nothing

1036
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 8: to lose because they've lost everything. And the hatred, of course,

1037
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 8: is going to be directed at Israel, It's going to

1038
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 8: be directed at other's in the world, who's we lift

1039
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 8: a finger, and of course it's going to be directed

1040
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 8: at America. So it's hard to see how we are

1041
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 8: investing in anything positive for our future. And I think

1042
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 8: that's part of why you're seeing on both the Republican

1043
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 8: and Democratic side for different reasons, and they come at

1044
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 8: it from a different point of origin and the land

1045
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 8: not exactly the same place, but both of them are

1046
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 8: questioning why the United States has been so one sided

1047
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 8: in its approach towards this conflict for so long, and

1048
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 8: how they possibly could serve national interests.

1049
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, said Robert. Thank you so much for joining us.

1050
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

1051
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thank you guys so much for

1052
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: watching me. Appreciate it again. Thank you all for your support.

1053
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Speaker 3: Friday Share Tomorrow they'll see you then