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Speaker 3: the green light. I think we kind of just have

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Speaker 3: to be kind of cautiously optimistic about the fact that

435
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Speaker 3: they're looking up for his best interests.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. On the RDA side, what really stands

437
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Speaker 1: out to me with the point you made, a lot

438
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Speaker 1: of folks don't really realize this. Frankie Edgar was for

439
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 1: a while. I'm not sure how long ago RDIA passed us,

440
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Speaker 1: but he was sort of known for having an extraordinary

441
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Speaker 1: amount of octagon time. Well, the guy who's got the

442
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Speaker 1: most amount of octagon time total in UFC history is RDA.

443
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Speaker 1: He's got over eight hours eight hours of time spent

444
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Speaker 1: in the octagon, an absolutely absurd amount. This guy's durability

445
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 1: across two way classes is insane. Never ever ever ducked

446
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: a challenge. Now again, at thirty eight, thirty nine years old,

447
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: he is specifically, let me look here, thirty eight. There'll

448
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Speaker 1: be thirty nine in October. But this is a guy

449
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Speaker 1: who has fought every different kind of opponent, every different

450
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Speaker 1: size that was even remotely possible in his you know,

451
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 1: general vicinity of weight, and it was kind of interesting.

452
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: Here is Aaron. He's let's see, he's three and one

453
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Speaker 1: in his last four he has wins over Paul Folder

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Speaker 1: and that it goes back to twenty twenty. He has

455
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Speaker 1: the win over Moikano. In twenty twenty two, he did

456
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Speaker 1: lose to VESIV. He got stopped in the fifth round

457
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Speaker 1: on that one, but then rallied again and came back

458
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Speaker 1: against Brian Barbarina. I saw you had put on Twitter,

459
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Speaker 1: like you know, was there a question about whether or

460
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Speaker 1: not he should be in the Hall of Fame. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little more I'm a little more stringent with my

462
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Speaker 1: particular level of what I think is Hall of Fame worthy. However,

463
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Speaker 1: what I can say is very clearly, certainly one of

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Speaker 1: the best fighters I have been able to cover, like

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Speaker 1: live during the course of my career, no doubt about that.

466
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Speaker 1: And also I cannot overstate this his durability. Most guys

467
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Speaker 1: who have been through what he's been through, including in

468
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Speaker 1: the training room, including everything else you could imagine sparring

469
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, for him to still be this good

470
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Speaker 1: this late, after all the stuff he's been through, he

471
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Speaker 1: is an absolute marvel in that regard. Most people would

472
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Speaker 1: absolutely not be this competitive given what he's been through.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you share my assessment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's like an iron man in the sport,

475
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Speaker 3: like a cal Ripken Jr.

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Speaker 2: So to speak of MMA. I mean, this guy is

477
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Speaker 2: always game.

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Speaker 3: He's been a great fighter for like fifteen years, which

479
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Speaker 3: is really difficult to accomplish in mixed martial arts, where

480
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Speaker 3: you're talking about somebody who's going to continue to do

481
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Speaker 3: main you know, compete in main events, be in those

482
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Speaker 3: main events, and not be kind of cannon fodder late

483
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Speaker 3: in his career.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Rdier is at that point.

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Speaker 3: I still think that he's competitive against the likes of

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Speaker 3: Vicente Luke, and I think the odds would indicate that

487
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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, to me, Rdier is a surefire Hall

489
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Speaker 2: of Famer.

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Speaker 3: I think that a lot of the Hall of Fame

491
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Speaker 3: discussion kind of is based on what sport you like

492
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Speaker 3: growing up. Like I was a basketball fan, and the

493
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Speaker 3: basketball you know, I've missioned into the Hall of Fame

494
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Speaker 3: was like you pay twenty bucks and you can walk

495
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Speaker 3: into Springfield and you're good. I think that people that

496
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Speaker 3: are fans of hockey. It's kind of the same way,

497
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Speaker 3: you know, getting into the hockey Hall of Fame, it

498
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Speaker 3: was a little bit easier. And then there are the

499
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Speaker 3: people that were fans of baseball and football that have

500
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Speaker 3: you know, I guess, higher standards for what it means

501
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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 2: In the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Now, ultimately, THEFC Hall of Fame is kind of determined

504
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Speaker 3: by you know, Dana White and those around him. It's

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Speaker 3: not really a balloting system where media votes like we

506
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Speaker 3: see in these.

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Speaker 2: Other hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of you know, subjective as who gets

509
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Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame in general. But if there

510
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Speaker 3: was like an MMA Hall of Fame, if that opened

511
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Speaker 3: up and we kind of saw what the crerentials were

512
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Speaker 3: needed and it was MMA across the board, like Global MMA,

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Speaker 3: you know, does RDA get in?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think again you'd have to see what kind of

516
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Speaker 3: standards are being upheld. But in my opinion, like this

517
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Speaker 3: guy should be absolutely in the UFC Hall of Fame

518
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Speaker 3: based on what we've seen. You know, has has gotten

519
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Speaker 3: people in in the past, Like I think he has

520
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: had a better career than Cowboy Seroni, you know, disrespect

521
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Speaker 3: to him. I mean, RDA defended the title again Cowboys Seroni.

522
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Speaker 3: So I think that you just have to look at

523
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Speaker 3: the career of RDA and really, again, he's a marvel.

524
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Speaker 3: He's somebody that you don't really have a lot of comparisons.

525
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Speaker 3: You mentioned the likes of Frank Edgar, who's I think

526
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Speaker 3: a surefire Hall of Famer as well. Like that, that's

527
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Speaker 3: kind of a good kind of comparison for RDA. And

528
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Speaker 3: I think that RDA's late career has looked better than

529
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Speaker 3: than what Frankie Edgar's I guess will ultimately look like

530
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Speaker 3: in hindsight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no doubt it's going to look better

532
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Speaker 1: than in his I mean he but you know, he

533
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: went through the Ringer as well. You know, it's not

534
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Speaker 1: like this guy, anybody who's got that much octagon time.

535
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Speaker 1: If you've got over seven hours of octagon time, you're

536
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Speaker 1: just going to come out the other end a different person.

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Speaker 1: It's not really possible to maintain who you are physically

538
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Speaker 1: through all of that. But let's get to the exo's

539
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Speaker 1: and o's here a little bit, if we can. Vicente

540
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: Luke known a bit as a boxer, right seventy six

541
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Speaker 1: inch reach just seventy inches for RDA, And now, of

542
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Speaker 1: course he has fought longer and bigger opponents basically almost

543
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Speaker 1: at any time he was fighting on seventy but including

544
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Speaker 1: in cases like a one fifty five against Donald Serroni,

545
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Speaker 1: and he won that way. That that bout as well,

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Speaker 1: Vicente Luk. Here's the problem that it sort of stands

547
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: out to me. He lands five point four nine strikes

548
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: per minute, which is pretty high. He absorbs an even

549
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: higher amount five point five to one in terms of

550
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: takedown accuracy fifty percent sixty one percent takedown defensive rate.

551
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Speaker 1: But you know, he doesn't really go for a lot

552
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Speaker 1: of takedowns. RDA does. So it looks to me would

553
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Speaker 1: not be fair in any way to really call this

554
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: striker versus grappler. Nor am I doing that. But I

555
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: would say while Vicente Luke is hit able on the

556
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Speaker 1: feet and one again, who never who knows with how

557
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Speaker 1: durable he's going to be with his brain condition, or

558
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Speaker 1: maybe there's no difference at all. I really don't know,

559
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Speaker 1: but I guess what I would say is if I'm RDA,

560
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna imagine I'm going to be hunting the takedown

561
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Speaker 1: on this one and looking to control the guy at

562
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Speaker 1: least for significant portions of the round. It just seems

563
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Speaker 1: like that's a more well rounded part of his game.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to worry about the reach in situations

565
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Speaker 1: like that, and we know he can win doing that

566
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Speaker 1: and has in the past. To what extent do you

567
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Speaker 1: agree or disagree?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I disagree in one regard, which is Vicente Luka. When

570
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: it comes to taking him down, I mean, do so

571
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 3: at your peril because he's got perhaps the best darch

572
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: choke that we've ever seen in the UFC. I mean,

573
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: this is a guy that's been able to sink that

574
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: dars choke in countless times with fighters that have tried

575
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Speaker 3: to take him down. So again, I mean, you can

576
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Speaker 3: take him down and you might be able to hold

577
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: them there, and we've seen fighters do that, but do

578
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: so at your peril because he's sneaky and he's very opportunistic,

579
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Speaker 3: one of the most opportunistic fighters I think we've seen

580
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Speaker 3: in the UFC, because he's always able to find a

581
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Speaker 3: way when somebody presents him with something.

582
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Speaker 2: He's got a keen eye for openings.

583
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Speaker 3: So I do think that RDA kind of needs to

584
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Speaker 3: mix it up I think on the feet because of

585
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Speaker 3: what you mentioned that that kind of ratio of strikes

586
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Speaker 3: absorbed the strikes landed for Luk, maybe RDA can hang

587
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Speaker 3: with him in that regard. Luke has shown that he's

588
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Speaker 3: got good power, but it's not really necessarily proven to

589
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Speaker 3: be real fight ending powers. More dead five thousand paper

590
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Speaker 3: cuts at times. He's a great volume striker. The question

591
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Speaker 3: I think that you mentioned off the top is the durability,

592
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Speaker 3: and that's where now with Luk after suffering his first

593
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Speaker 3: stoppage loss, we start to look at it and think, well,

594
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Speaker 3: is that durability gone? You know, has have the days

595
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Speaker 3: of the said day Luk having the ability to go

596
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Speaker 3: punch for punch with his opponent and take one and

597
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Speaker 3: a half to give one kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Are those days over?

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Speaker 3: That's the big question mark for me going to this fight,

600
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Speaker 3: because Rda is another fighter that that isn't necessarily a

601
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Speaker 3: one punch KO guy.

602
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Speaker 2: He's a guy that's going to wear you down and

603
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: grind you down.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where if Rdia kind of mixes

605
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Speaker 3: it up with both the striking and grappling, that he

606
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: can find a way to win this using just his

607
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: fight IQ and savvy at this stage of this of

608
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: their careers, though, who's the better fighter, I'd probably say Luke.

609
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Speaker 3: I think that Luk right now again at age thirty one,

610
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Speaker 3: is probably going to be the fighter with you know,

611
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: better speed, better accuracy. Those are things that Rida has

612
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Speaker 3: been known for in the past, but at this stage

613
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Speaker 3: in his career does he still have that that Those

614
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: are the things that start to wither away as you

615
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: continue to compete late in your career. So this is

616
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: a very close fight, and I think that anybody who's

617
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: looked at betting on this a very volatile fight that

618
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: I would kind of caution you against, you know, putting

619
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: your hard earned money on. To be perfectly honest, this

620
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: is the fight that could go to a decision. This

621
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: is the fight that could end early. It's one of

622
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: those ones that just has so many variables that you

623
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: have to be wary of going into this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two responses. The first thing I'd say is you're

625
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: basically right about the nature of how close it is.

626
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Speaker 1: Our friends at Caesar Sportsbook they have Vicente Luka as

627
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Speaker 1: a slight underdog plus one oh five to halfa al

628
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: dos Angos's minus one twenty five. I tend to agree

629
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Speaker 1: with that a little bit more if I'm just looking

630
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: in the data. Again, the data doesn't tell you, it

631
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: doesn't predict the future. It just kind of tells you

632
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: what happened in the past, obviously, but data to me,

633
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: like there's the asymmetry in the takedown willingness and then

634
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: take down ability for RDA to me is the big differentiator,

635
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: and I think that could be a problem for Luka.

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00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see on Saturday, and one never knows

637
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: for sure, but there's just some questions about Luk as well.

638
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: And he can go out there and look amazing, really

639
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: use that six ins reach advantage put in the end

640
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: of his jab, bust him up along the fence line,

641
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: and that could be it. And I wouldn't necessarily be surprised.

642
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: I just think that the doubts about Luk, given where

643
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: he's at both in his career, coming off that bad

644
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: loss to Jeff Neil brain bleed notwithstanding, and then RDIA

645
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: just kind of being this dude who hangs around who

646
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: he's willing to play the levels I suppose like striking,

647
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: wrestling and everything in between. He can get that done.

648
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll go the distance. That part's

649
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: a little harder to tell on this one. I guess

650
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: my question would be, what is the winner rightfully entitled

651
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: to here? Because we're at an ape's main event, right.

652
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: You beat somebody here, you beat someone with a name,

653
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: you beat someone that the fans care about. In either direction,

654
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: you're not really close to anything remotely approximating a title shot.

655
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: And if RDA is right that he just wants to

656
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: have fun fights remaining, I guess the idea is if

657
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: he wins, he'll just continue to get something along that order.

658
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: But if Luk wins, I think he would really and

659
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: try and position this as climbing the ladder to something

660
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: more significant en route to a title opportunity. Right, Because

661
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you at thirty one years of age,

662
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: if he is okay and if he can look good

663
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: winning this bout, then I guess you just have to

664
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of put all that stuff behind you and say, hey,

665
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: if he's doing this the right way and it looks

666
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the right way, we're going to treat it the right way.

667
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: It is kind of weird because it's one of those

669
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: rare instances where the younger fighter who again Luke thirty

670
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: one years old versus a thirty eight year old almost

671
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: thirty nine year old Ardia, where we seem to have

672
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: more questions about the younger fighter, which usually is not

673
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: the case in these circumstances. Now, I think I kind

674
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: of agree with what you're saying in terms terms of trajectory.

675
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: I think arta he gets a win, he chugs along,

676
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: finds another exciting opponent. Maybe he could fight like a

677
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Gilbert Burns. I don't know if Gilbert Burns would want

678
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: to fight kind of that far down and try to

679
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: get more of a bounce back spot, but that's I

680
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: think a possibility for him if he wants to have

681
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: a fun fight against another kind of solid veteran of

682
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: the division. And then with Luke, you know, if he

683
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: gets a win, and I think he starts fighting up

684
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: and I do find myself a little bit concerned that

685
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: they're going to start using him as somebody to face

686
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: the kind of shaft cats of the world. I believe

687
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: they do train together on occasion, so I don't know

688
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: if that's necessarily a comparison, But Luke is the type

689
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: of guy that doesn't say no to fights, which you know,

690
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: you can be your own restentding me in those situations.

691
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: But also if you win those fights, everybody loves you.

692
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: So I think that that's where we're going to see

693
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: their particular trajectories after this this fight plays out, right, let's.

694
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: Talk about some of these other contests on the card.

695
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: And it's just so appropriate that I have my mug

696
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: here shouts to Cubs Swans and look at that. I

697
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he still sells coffee. I haven't checked

698
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: in a long time, but he used to, and I

699
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: will tell you he had sourced his from Colombia and

700
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: it was excellent. It was really really good. Which I

701
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: know I'm biased in saying that Colombian coffee is good,

702
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: but hello, I wouldn't be the only one. Lots of

703
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: people would back me up and telling you the coffee

704
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: from Columbia is quite good. Neither here nor there. He

705
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: takes on Haquem Douwadu. It's important that we have a

706
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: Canadian on today's show because Duado, of course Canadian himself. Now,

707
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: this one, to me is maybe one more interesting fights

708
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: on this card for a lot of reasons. Cubb Swanson

709
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: enters this contest Aaron sitting at thirty nine years of age.

710
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: He'll be forty in November. If you can believe that, Wow,

711
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: he's been around forever. It seems like right, you would

712
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: you would think that the guy that Josealdo like need

713
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: in like ten seconds or whatever it was, would be

714
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: gone from the sport before Josealdo. But no, he's still here.

715
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: He's a tough bastard himself, but he's been very up

716
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: and down of late. Right, So he beats Cron Gracie

717
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, then he beats Daniel Pineda in

718
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: a great fight back in twenty twenty, loses to Giga Chikazi,

719
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: who's still you know, top fifteen kind of guy in

720
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: the weight class. Beats Darren Elkins back in twenty twenty one,

721
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: loses to Jonathan Martinez, who we know has a fight

722
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: coming up against Adrian Janiez here soon. He lost him

723
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. We haven't seen him very much.

724
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: My point being is he had one fight in twenty

725
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: twenty two, fights in twenty twenty one, one in twenty

726
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: twenty two, hasn't fought at all this year. You know, obviously,

727
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: we all know he's coming towards the end of his career.

728
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how soon, but we're probably closer to

729
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: that than not against Taquim Duadou, who has been an

730
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: interesting prospect out of Canada. And I'm not going to

731
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: call him a letdown. Please let's understand me. I'm not

732
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: going to say he's a letdown. But at thirty two

733
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: years of age coming off of a lost to Julian Rosa,

734
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what the view is from your neck

735
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: of the woods, Aaron, so I'm hoping you can tell me.

736
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: And he did have a great wind streak for a

737
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: while that ended in twenty twenty against Zubira to Google.

738
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: My point being, is cub Swanson old but dangerous. Still?

739
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Duado looked like he had a very very promising future

740
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: when signed and has done well enough, but I don't

741
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: know if he's matched exactly the hype that was around

742
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: him when he got started. Size these two up for

743
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: me from your perspective.

744
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a make or break fight for both

745
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 3: these guys at this point in time. You know, Hakim Dawado,

746
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: I would say, did I mean very well by getting

747
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: into the rankings of one of the toughest divisions in

748
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: the sport. I mean it's about all we can ask

749
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: for for Canadian fighters. Right now, we only have one

750
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: fighter that currently ranked in the UFC at the moment,

751
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: in Jasmine Jazz Divisious. But I think that when you

752
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: look at Hakem Dawado, he's been a guy that this

753
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: is the kind of fight that he typically wins against

754
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: stand up fighters that are going to go, you know,

755
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: almost make it into a kickboxing match with him. I

756
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: think that if Cub mixes it up, that's where it

757
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: gets a little bit more interesting. But Cub seems to

758
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: be very happy being in those kind of fights, and

759
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: that's why I love this match up for both these guys.

760
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: This is the kind of match of that both these

761
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: guys love to have where they're going to go toe

762
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: to toe se see who is the better, more proficient

763
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: technical striker, and you know, may the best man win.

764
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: I think that's really what this whole fight comes down

765
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: to at this point in both these men's careers, you know,

766
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: I think that that's what makes these guys both dangerous fighters,

767
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: is they are so technically proficient on the feet. If

768
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: Cubb does mix it up and maybe goes through a

769
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: submission here or there, tries to mix in the wrestling.

770
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: I think that could give Dawodho some problems, but I

771
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: think all things consider, this is the kind of fight

772
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: that Hagem Dawodho tends to win.

773
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeh, I wold agree. In general. By the way, our

774
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: friends that Caesars have this again, that would do at

775
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: minus two thirty pretty substantial favorite relatively speaking for MMA anyway,

776
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: cub Swanson, though not out of it, plus one ninety

777
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: as an underdog. I think that's probably about right given

778
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: where both guys are at. I'll just say this. He

779
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: lost the fight cub Swanson did against Martinez, but he

780
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: did score a takedown in that one. And if you

781
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: look at his stats on this one, cub Swanson is

782
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: good for about one takedown and some change per fifteen

783
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: minutes against. Statistically speaking, that would do zero like the

784
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: zero takedowns attempted per fifteen minutes takedown accuracy zero percent.

785
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: I'm guessing I don't know if he is attempted one. Yeah,

786
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't even know if he's

787
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: attempted one. In the UFC. Obviously he's defended some with

788
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: a sixty five percent defensive rate, but that really seems

789
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: to me to be it here, Like, I don't know

790
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: what Cubs Swanson wants out of this. I think what

791
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: he probably wants is to prove he can beat some

792
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: tough guys before the time is really up. Something like that.

793
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: This would certainly qualify in the end, you know, I

794
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: don't know. He made it into the Hall of Fame

795
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: through the or the fight with him and Korean super

796
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Boy made it into the Hall of Fame, which I

797
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: was really glad to see. I have a lot of

798
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I really like Cup Swanson. He's been a really stand

799
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: up guy, I think in his career for the entirety

800
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: of that time I've been covering him. But I will say,

801
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: if you can't get this one done, it doesn't mean

802
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: you can't beat guys in the UFC, but it would mean, like,

803
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: what do you want out of the last fight or

804
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: two or three that you have left, Like, what is

805
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: really a goal at that point? Is it just to

806
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: get a win on your way out or something like that,

807
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: which again I wouldn't want to take from him the

808
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: opportunity per se. But if you can't beat this guy

809
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: who's not a pushover, It's not my point. I'm just saying,

810
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: if you can't beat him. What would you want from

811
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: the experience. I'd be curious to know, you know.

812
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like Cubb checked the Banthamway Division

813
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: off of his bucket list. He did that and was

814
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: unsuccessful against Martinez. But I think you're I think he's

815
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: probably in it just for the love of the game.

816
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Now.

817
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: I mean, cub Swanson, yeah and fighting are just so

818
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: synonymous with one another that I feel like he's not

819
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: looking to exit this board.

820
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: I think he's having fun now.

821
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: He's fighting these veteran you know, these fights in the

822
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: veteran stage of his career that are exciting fights for

823
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: him to get him out of bed. And I think

824
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: this fight with Dawod Who is one of those fights.

825
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: I think that this is just stylistically the kind of

826
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: fight that cub Swanson has done well historically. And but

827
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: I think that that would do at this stage of

828
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 3: his career is probably you know, rightfully favored. Like you mentioned,

829
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: with those odds, I think that he should be favored

830
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: here and probably will win this fight against cub Swanson.

831
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: But at the same time, cubs Swanson as an underdog

832
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: has always delivered. He's been one of those guys that

833
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: you can't sleep on and as soon as everybody starts

834
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: to sleep on Cub Swanson, he comes out of hibernation

835
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: and shows everybody what he's about. So let's see how

836
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: this one plays out. I'm excited for this one because

837
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: I think that both of these are two super exciting

838
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: fighters to watch, great stand up practitioners.

839
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: And you know, Hakim Dawodi really needs to win.

840
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: He's to bounce back here, is supposed to fight back

841
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: in June and Vancouver had to pull out due to injury.

842
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: And I think that this is a solid matchup for

843
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: him to get things back on track and see where

844
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: he's at in his career right now.

845
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, like to the point you raised earlier,

846
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: it's not that Mark, It's not excuse me. It's not

847
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: that Swanson can't or won't go for a takedown, but

848
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: he probably won't go for that many again, one per

849
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, So that's not a ton he is likely

850
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: to accommodate. That would do. On the feet, he is

851
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: likely to accommodate him. And if that kind of an

852
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: opponent nearing forty, although still tough and very heavy handed,

853
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: if you can't beat a guy like that, there would

854
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: be some big questions at thirty two years of age

855
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: about like what you can do. I guess we'll see.

856
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: I will tell you, you know what fight I really

857
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: love on this card? How about Chris Daukas going down

858
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: to two h five taking on Khalil Rountree Junior Khalil

859
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: Roundtree Junior for folks who aren't paying attention, riding a

860
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: three fight winning streak. Now it dates all the way

861
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty one due to like various forms

862
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: of inactivity. He beat Modestus Bukowskis in twenty twenty one.

863
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Then he had two wins in twenty twenty two, one

864
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: over Carl Robson, who he just beat. The absolute breaks

865
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: off of that one was ugly, and then he me

866
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Dustin Jacoby via split. Here comes Chris Dawkas, who probably

867
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: should have been at two five some time ago. I

868
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: guess we'll really look and see what he's got. But

869
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: he's riding a three fight losing streak. Now, he didn't

870
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: lose to Chumps Aaron. He lost to Derek Lewis. Okay,

871
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna happen. He lost to Curtis Blades again,

872
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen to and then he lost to Jarzenio Rosenstrike,

873
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: who is not necessarily the best heavyweight, but given his

874
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: kickboxing background and his punching accuracy, is going to be

875
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: a tough guy to just strike it out with. So

876
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: he made a switch. He goes down to two oh five.

877
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: The odds, Aaron, have our friends Chris Daukas at friend

878
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Chris Dawkas at plus one sixty. They've got Roundtree at

879
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: minus one ninety. I think that's about right. Tell me

880
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: what you're expecting to see from either guy in this contest.

881
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to say.

882
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: With Chris Dawkas because this is his first fight at

883
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: light heavyweight in the UFC. I think he bought at

884
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: light heavyweight previously in the regional scene. But I'm very

885
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: curious to see how he fights against somebody like Khalil

886
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: Rountree because the reason you get out of the heavyweight division,

887
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: And I was listening to the co main Event podcast

888
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: and they kind of pointed this out as you want

889
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 3: to get away from those precision power strikers that are

890
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: you gonna be able to put you out? And that's

891
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: kind of what Khalil Roundtree Junior is, so he's moving

892
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: down a division, but he's still getting that same type

893
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: of fighter that's going to stand and go toe to

894
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: toe with you. But you mentioned Chris Dowcas's losses are

895
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: against kind of elite heavyweights. His career trajectory has been

896
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: kind of similar to like a Cynthia Calvio, where you

897
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: start off really hot, go on a streak, you get

898
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: into these main event spots, and then suddenly you know,

899
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: things start going poorly for you. I'd like to see

900
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: what he can do at light heavyweight, but it's hard

901
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: to really know, and like it's hard to project how

902
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: this fight's gonna go without seeing how Chris Dawkas looks

903
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: at light heavyweight in the stage of his career. I

904
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: think from a matchup standpoint, you've got two really, really

905
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: good strikers. I think Dowcas is a phenomenal boxer, and

906
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: you look at the Moue Thai and just well rounded

907
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: overall striking skills of Khalil Rountree Junior. This is one

908
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: of those matchups that is kind of like a no

909
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 3: brainer in terms of a stylistic matchup. It's going to deliver,

910
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: and that's what I'm curious to see here. And Dawc

911
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: is also a solid grappler that hasn't had to use

912
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: his grappling in MMA, but he talks about how much

913
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: he how much time he spends on his grappling. So

914
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: do we start to see kind of the new version

915
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: of Chris dawks maybe utilized that part of his game.

916
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: I think a good example is this past weekend we

917
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: saw Tanner Boser get his first win at light heavyweight,

918
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: very very similar type of heavyweight to Chris Dawka. Is

919
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 3: a guy that weighs in at two thirty two thirty

920
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: five that can make it down to two zero five

921
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: in a fairly healthy fashion.

922
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see how he looks.

923
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna look very similar to what we

924
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: saw from Boser, good volume, good boxing. But I don't

925
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: know if Khalil Roundtree Junior can be compared to somebody

926
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 3: like Alexa Kahmer who just lost that fight. I think

927
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: that round Tree is a lot more seasoned than has

928
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: better striking and better power striking. Has not been an

929
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: easy out for anybody in this light heavyweight division. So

930
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm very eager to see what Chris Dawkas brings to

931
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: the table in his new two hundred and five pound frame.

932
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: All right, we have a visitor because I failed to

933
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: lock my door, So why don't you say hi? Real quick?

934
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: How are you? You know?

935
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: My kids are away at a cottage right now, so

936
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: the only instruction I'll get is my dog, who doesn't

937
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: come down to the basement because he's fourteen years old

938
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: and washed and can't get down the stairs. So I

939
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: don't think we're gonna have a lot of interruptions unless

940
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: somebody walks in front of our house and then all

941
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: bets are off.

942
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Is your dog named Brian Campbell? Seriously? I mean, I

943
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: just can't get down the stairs washed. That sounds just

944
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: like I'm maybe more. I'm working.

945
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: My dog's name is Brian Campbell.

946
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Actually we can't. I have to work, so I have

947
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: to let you go. But you want to say hi

948
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: to everybody? Hi? Okay? And what's your favorite Doctor Seuss book?

949
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: Hat?

950
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Cat in the Hat? Okay? Me? And more? Well like

951
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: the cat in the Hat? You gotta leave? Okay, yes, classic,

952
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: he's right. You gotta go, Okay, babe, go, I'm working

953
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: right all right? I love you.

954
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go washing? Canto have some fun. Yes, let's

955
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: let Daddy have his uh, his workspace, you know.

956
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, but the door, Yeah, you don't lock your

957
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: door as a parent, and bad things happen. I've noticed that.

958
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: I've noticed that. So sorry, I was a little distracted

959
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: from what you had said there. The only thing I

960
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: would add on top of this is if I wouldn't

961
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: close like you, I wouldn't close the door on doccas

962
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: returning to heavyweight and then finding you know, some more success.

963
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: To me, it was like maybe some of the approaches

964
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: he had or like the you know, he the level

965
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: he was at by the time he was fighting those guys,

966
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: those were guys who have all you know, fought elite

967
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: of the division, and maybe he was already for that

968
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: at that point in time. We'll see when he goes

969
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: back for Khalil Rountree Junior. He just seems to be

970
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: like a reformed person in many ways. Of course, he

971
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: had the reformation and the weight loss that brought him

972
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: into MMA, and then he had some ups and some downs.

973
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: But the last three fights to me have been like

974
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: he's got I won't say reckless, abandoned, but I'll say

975
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: like angry purpose almost something like that, something where he

976
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: can fight a little bit recklessly, but it's it's still

977
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: in general more control old than not, and it's mean.

978
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: He has turned into something of like and I say

979
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: this complimentary, it's a he's turning into like a mean fighter.

980
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: And in many ways I think that has elevated or

981
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, slightly changed his fortunes that brought him

982
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: to this position to begin with. I love to see it,

983
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: you know what.

984
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: He lives in New York sometime for part of the year.

985
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: Khalil Rountree Junior. He'd be a great RSD guest for

986
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: you guys, because he's so interesting to speak with. He's

987
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: just a really he's kind of like a renaissance man.

988
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: I love speaking with Klee on speaking with him today actually,

989
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: and it's somewhat it seemed into my subconscious, I think

990
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: because I had a dream where I was interviewing him

991
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: and I asked him where he's training. He said he

992
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: was training in Toronto, and I asked him if he

993
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: wanted to go record shopping with me, and he just

994
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: wasn't interested. But that was that was the dream I

995
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: had last night. It's coming back to me right now

996
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: as we talk about Khalil roun three Junior, but I

997
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: think you make a great RSD guest for you guys,

998
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: given that he does hang out in New York from

999
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: time time, doesn't do a lot of interviews, But when

1000
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: he does that kind of format that you guys have,

1001
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: would I think, really open up what Khalil Rountree Junior's

1002
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: journey's been like.

1003
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: It's been a really interesting journey for him.

1004
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: I have to get back to interviewing more fighters. I

1005
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: don't really do it much anymore for a lot of

1006
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: different reasons. But he is a guy I actually sat

1007
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: down with I want to say, I don't know, maybe

1008
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: four years ago something like that, and had a great

1009
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: conversation with him. He is smart, he is thoughtful. He's

1010
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: a different kind of guy. Also, I wouldn't go record

1011
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: shopping with you, but only because I don't have a

1012
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: record player, you know what I mean, I don't even know.

1013
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: I have gone to record stores and we you know,

1014
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: we have a blast and we we like to reminisce.

1015
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: All right, very good, before we move on to the

1016
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: Beltimore side of things. Any other fight on this card?

1017
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: Tickle Aaron Bronsteaders fancy.

1018
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Oh here, let me see I've got it in front

1019
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: of me.

1020
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: Here I've got one, I've got one. If you don't

1021
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: have one, If I may, and it's it's it's not.

1022
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying it's the best fight in this card.

1023
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm not picking it for any reason other than I

1024
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: like Terence McKinney and a lot I think highly of him.

1025
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I think he's got an interesting personality and he does

1026
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: have obviously some ability. But he just lost on the

1027
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: fifteenth of July, if my memory serves, and this was

1028
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: to be fight between Mike Breden and Landover Nada. They

1029
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: had to change it to Terrence McKinney. So he's taking

1030
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: it on short notice. Now he is favored to win.

1031
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: We should be clear about that. Caesars has Terence McKinney

1032
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: as a minus two seventy Mike Breden at a plus

1033
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: two twenty. Okay, fair enough, But I just wonder. You know,

1034
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys they lose and they don't

1035
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: feel good about how it went because they, you know,

1036
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: they didn't do the stuff they wanted to do in training,

1037
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: and it was it was unsatisfying to them as an

1038
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: experience in terms of what they could show, and then

1039
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: they want to get one back. And I don't know,

1040
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 1: if that's always the best idea, I could be wrong. Again.

1041
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Oddsmakers think he is gonna win for his sake, I

1042
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: certainly hope he does something I've got my eye on

1043
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: for Saturday. I think, at a bare minimum, yeah, I.

1044
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: Think that's a very interesting quick turnaround for him.

1045
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he lost by submission, so didn't take a

1046
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: ton of damage in that fight, I would say, so

1047
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: I understand him wanting to get that one back. It's

1048
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: kind of a bad taste in his mouth because if

1049
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: you look at how he lost that fight, there was

1050
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: a lot of tom foolery going on in terms of

1051
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: cage grabs and things that put him in disadvantageous positions.

1052
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those situations we are a

1053
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: fighter make that short notice assignment to try to get

1054
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: that bad taste of a loss out of their mouth

1055
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: the fight that they thought they should have won. He

1056
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: had a very dominant first round in that fight, and

1057
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: I think that when you look at this particular matchup,

1058
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: this is kind of a you know, Mike Breton was

1059
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: on the Contender Series and lost in the Contender Series

1060
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: and somehow was in the UFC. I think this is

1061
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: one of those ones where McKinney is looking to get

1062
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: an opponent that is going to get him back on

1063
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: the winning track. Not a disrespect to Mike Breton or

1064
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: anything like that, but I think that this is one

1065
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: of those matchups where it becomes available and he jumps

1066
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: at the opportunity. And I also want to give a

1067
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: shout out to a Megan o'levy if you listen to

1068
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: her podcast, she did a deep dive on Terence McKinney's

1069
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: life and it's just very very fascinating stuff. Like you

1070
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: hear all about this kind of acid trip that he

1071
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: went on where he was arrested. I'm sure you've seen

1072
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: the video of him getting tased by police and what

1073
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: he was seeing during that whole situation, and why that

1074
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: kind of acid trip and all of that led him

1075
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: to believe that he was put on this earth become

1076
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: a fighter. It just really intriguing stuff. So I just

1077
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: want to give Megan a shout out for that incredible podcast.

1078
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: In terms of a fight, this this card that is

1079
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: of interest to me. Yes, me and Lucindo against Pollyanna

1080
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: Vienna is an interesting one. I think Lucindo is a

1081
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: really solid prospect and that Pollyanna Vienna. You know, she's

1082
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: very sneaky and opportunistic as well, so I'm curious to

1083
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: see how that one plays out. That's a fun matchup,

1084
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: and they just added Demond black Sheer against Jose Johnson.

1085
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: That should just from a stylistic standpoint, it'd be a

1086
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: fun one to watch.

1087
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: With that in mind, let's switch to topic number two,

1088
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: which I think is the better card of the two.

1089
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Belotore two ninety eight. This will be

1090
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: will be at the Sanford Pentagon in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

1091
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: The you know, you know what the state motto is

1092
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: of South Dakota, the land that Time forgot. I could

1093
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: be making that up, but I'm pretty sure that's true.

1094
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: Neither here nor there. The Belotor Cage will be there

1095
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: for Belotore two ninety eight. I really like this card.

1096
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean that quite sincerely. There are so many parts

1097
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: to this that are interesting. We don't have a ton

1098
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: of time, but I want to get to the things

1099
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: that matter the most. Your main event, obviously logan story

1100
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: taking on Brennan Ward. Logan storrely enters this contest thirty

1101
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: years of age, smack in the middle of his prime

1102
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: in all likelihood, but having just lost to Yaroslav Amasov

1103
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: in the unification rematch that was long anticipated, but of

1104
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: course had a three fight winning strike winning streak before that.

1105
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: In fact, the only losses on Logan Story's record those

1106
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: two you see there are in fact to Yaroslav Amasov.

1107
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: By contrast, Brennan Ward, man, what a guy he is,

1108
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: thirty five years of age. I interviewed him before his

1109
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: return against Sabajo Masi at belotoor two ninety. This was

1110
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: a guy who we all know the story, nearly lost

1111
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: his life to drug addiction, certainly thought he was going

1112
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: to lose his career at a bare minimum to it,

1113
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: found a way back. Is legitimately athletic, is legitimately a

1114
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: good wrestler, is legitimately heavy handed. Waterbury, Connecticut's finest stuff.

1115
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: I do say so myself. He is writing a three

1116
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: fight win streak that got going starting in twenty twenty two. Now,

1117
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: it's not fair to call this striker versus grappler, right,

1118
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: It's not fair to call Logan Story obviously had a

1119
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: decorated background with the University of Minnesota in wrestling and

1120
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: and excuse me, uh, Brennan Ward does not have that

1121
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: kind of scholastic wrestling background. Nevertheless, Brennan Ward can wrestle.

1122
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can wrestle as well as

1123
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: Logan Story. We'll find out on Saturday. But what I

1124
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: do know is he can thump and has a willingness

1125
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: to do it much more so than Logan Story. I'll

1126
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: pull up the odds here in just a minute. Actually,

1127
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: you know what, let me look at them now, because

1128
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: before I pitch this too you, I want to see

1129
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: where they're at. Yeah, you know what, they've got Logan

1130
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: Story at my Well, they've got Logan Story as what

1131
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll consider a substantial favorite in the minus three hundred range,

1132
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: Brendan Ward in the plus two hundred range. I gotta

1133
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: tell you that's some good action for me on Brennan Ward,

1134
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: because he can wrestle. He is a physical powerhouse, even

1135
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: at thirty five years of age, finally getting full training

1136
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: camps for basically the first time in his career, and

1137
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, story not so much a guy

1138
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: who's willingly trade with you on the feet. Brennan Ward

1139
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: has zero problem with that size These two up for me, Well, I.

1140
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: Will disagree with one thing you said, I think you

1141
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 3: can very much fairly characterize this as a striker versus

1142
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: grappler matchup. I kind of hate this matchup to be

1143
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: perfectly honest for Brendan's order, because yeah, I think, you

1144
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: know what, I love watching Brennan Ward fights, and I

1145
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: think if you match him up with the right dance partner,

1146
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 3: he always makes magic.

1147
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think this is the right dance partner.

1148
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: I think that Logan Story is going to take him

1149
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: down and hold him there for as long as humanly possible,

1150
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: and I think he's going to win the fight that way.

1151
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be very similar to the

1152
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: fight we saw against Michael benham Page because Logan Story

1153
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: knows what his best path to victory is, his cleanest

1154
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: path the victory is, and I think he'd be foolish

1155
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: this dand with Brennan Ward, who at any point in

1156
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: this matchup can tag him and take him out and

1157
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: do that against anybody in the world. So I think

1158
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: that what we're going to see here for five rounds

1159
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 3: is Logan Story do his absolute damn dist to drag

1160
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: Brennan Ward to the ground and make his life as

1161
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: miserable as humanly possible, and that could go on for

1162
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes, so brace yourself for that. But on

1163
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: the flip side, we also have a guy in Brennan Ward,

1164
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: who if he's able to stop those takedowns, can can

1165
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: drown Logan Story with his striking make his night very

1166
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: very short. So that's kind of the interesting dyne that

1167
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: we have in this particular fight. But from a matchup standpoint,

1168
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: I prefer to see Brendan Ward face fighters that are

1169
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: going to stand and go toe to toe with him.

1170
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: We've seen that in his three fight win streak and

1171
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: how exciting that has been. I just feel like this

1172
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: matchup has a very high potential of taking.

1173
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: The wind out of those sales, and I don't really

1174
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: like that.

1175
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: But if Brendan Ward wants to get to the championship level,

1176
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to be the guy like Logan Story,

1177
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: who I believe is ranked number two in the division.

1178
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm just being honest with you. I think that this

1179
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 3: has the makings of being a very very unexciting fight

1180
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: that people are gonna do. Although I think Story is

1181
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: from South Dakota, so at least you put him in

1182
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: a position where if.

1183
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: He does take Ward down and hold him there.

1184
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: At least the fans might be a little bit more

1185
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: accepting of that, as opposed to what we saw this

1186
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: past weekend with Corey Sanhagen in his fight with Rob

1187
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: font At least he'll have the hometown crowd that might

1188
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: cheer for him to take.

1189
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: This fight to the ground.

1190
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Although MMA fans, I think, regardless of locale, tend to

1191
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: not like that style of fight.

1192
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're right. He is from South Dakota.

1193
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: That's why they put the Beltmore has been there a

1194
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: few time, but they've been there a few times with him,

1195
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: so I think he'll be fine in that regard. I

1196
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: will tell you this much. I understand the feeling around

1197
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I don't in any way disagree

1198
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: that the fight could go that way. In fact, the

1199
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: oddsmakers think that it will, so that's not what I'm

1200
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm not really disagreeing with that. Rather, having spoken to

1201
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Brennan Ward before his return to Homasi in the in

1202
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Beltimore two ninety did he was pretty clear He's like,

1203
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what

1204
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: I can do, and he knows time is not on

1205
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: his side and He just wants to maximize what is

1206
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: possible here. Like that's why I think the I think

1207
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: that's why Beltaur granted him this. It's he really wants

1208
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: to see how far he can actually go, no matter

1209
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: what he's done in his life, matter how much time

1210
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: he's lost, he wants to see what is actually possible

1211
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: against the very best that Beltore has to offer at

1212
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: one seventy And to your point, could he fight this

1213
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: Obaja Massis of the world talented guys, the guys who

1214
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: are gonna slug it out with him? Could he do

1215
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: that and then you know, continue to garner fan acclaim

1216
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: and and pats on the back. Certainly, absolutely no denying it.

1217
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: But he wants to see what he's made of. He

1218
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: wants to see how far he can go. Bellator is

1219
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: granting him that. I gotta tell you, I like that story,

1220
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: if I can be honest. I don't know what kind

1221
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: of fight it makes on Saturday, but I'm glad that

1222
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: they're giving him an opportunity to see exactly how far

1223
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: he can push this Logan story. In that sense, Aaron

1224
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: is a very good test.

1225
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and far be it for me to doubt Brendan

1226
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: Ward bet against Bennan Ward because his story has been

1227
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: absolutely remarkable. Again, I just think from a matchup standpoint,

1228
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 3: I feel like it has the capacity to disappoint people

1229
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: from an entertainment standpoint, But at the same time, berendon

1230
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: Ward ends up getting a shocking knockout victory like he's

1231
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: been able to do recently. I think that my hypothesis

1232
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 3: here will be firmly turned on its head. So it's

1233
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: a matchup. I'm certainly eager to see how it plays out.

1234
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the part about it that I do

1235
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: like is like, can Brennan Ward handle the wrestling of

1236
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: Logan story? Can Storley's cardio hold up for five rounds

1237
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: with Brennan Ward, Who's going to be trying to take

1238
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: his head off that entire time? Because while we know

1239
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: that Logan Story does have that kind of cardio, there

1240
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: also is a lot of adrenaline that comes with fighting

1241
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: a guy like berennan Ward who's walking forward and trying

1242
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: to murder you. And I think that that's kind of

1243
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: what makes us a fun matchup from that standpoint. I

1244
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's why I'll be tuning in on

1245
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: Friday to watch this one. Because I think that it

1246
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: can go a variety of ways. I just think that

1247
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: the chances of it being a little bit less entertaining

1248
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: versus very entertaining, I would skew towards less entertaining if

1249
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: you're not into seeing somebody have the kind of grappling

1250
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: proficiency that Logan story has.

1251
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: Again, if you.

1252
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: Didn't like the fight between san Haagen and font this

1253
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: past weekend, I think that this is the type of

1254
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 3: fight where you might see something very similar could.

1255
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: Very well happen. Now. The co main event, they've got

1256
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: Valentine Muldowski taken on Steve Mawory. It's a heavyweight fight.

1257
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: Muldofski previous interim champion. I don't really love this contest

1258
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: too much. Also, main car Dalton Rosta taken on Aaron

1259
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: Jeffrey on a fellow Canadian. By the way, Rosta has

1260
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: to be the most jack dude in MMA, undefeated at

1261
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: eight to er tremendous talent. Aaron Jeffrey. I think he

1262
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: had that special win more recently over Austin Vanderferd, although

1263
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: he lost to John Salter, but he's trying to get

1264
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: back on the winning track against Dalton Rostill. Will see

1265
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: the one that interests me the most on this card,

1266
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: how about this one, the return of James Gallaher. He

1267
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: takes on James Gonzalez. It's a battle for the James

1268
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: the strab animal. Listen to this. Listen to this for

1269
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: all the things he's been through and for all of

1270
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: the time he's lost. James Gallaher twenty six years old,

1271
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: twenty six years old and hasn't fought since twenty twenty one,

1272
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: where he lost to Patchee Mix, who we now realize

1273
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: is just an absolutely phenomenal talent, one of the best

1274
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: bantam weights in the world, irrespective of any organization. He

1275
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: is now back taking on a fighter who he should

1276
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: be able to beat, I think, is the way I

1277
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: would put it. What kind of expectations do you have

1278
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: for the return of James Gallaher?

1279
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not really sure what to expect for

1280
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: his return because you mentioned two years off, but at

1281
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: the same time, you're twenty four to twenty six.

1282
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: You tend to learn a lot of new skills during that.

1283
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: Time, at least in the capacity that was able to

1284
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: train based on his injury. So I am curious to

1285
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: see how he looks, and I think James Gonzale is

1286
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: a really tough matchup for him. He's a part of

1287
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: the Sarah Longo camp and right now, Tho, those guys

1288
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: are absolutely peaking. You've got that Morob win against Yodriyan.

1289
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 3: We saw the win over Terence McKinney from his teammate

1290
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: as well recently, and we have Al Joe that's training

1291
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: for Sean O'Malley in a week's time. So all of

1292
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: these guys are in camp training together, and I imagine

1293
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: it's Iron Sharpen's Iron.

1294
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: So I think James Gonzalez is.

1295
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: Somebody who Ray Longo has been very, very vocal about

1296
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: being a really solid prospect. That's why I think this

1297
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: is a great matchup for James Gallaher to return. It's

1298
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: not a guy that's necessarily a household name, but it's

1299
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: somebody who's going to push him.

1300
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where Gallaher's been training.

1301
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: I know he was training with James Kraus, and I

1302
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: imagine that that's not the case anymore. I mean, very

1303
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: well could be is Bellator doesn't have that same kind

1304
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: of thing where the UFC has against people that train there.

1305
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 3: So I'm not exactly sure where Gallagher has been training,

1306
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 3: do you do you know for this particular fight.

1307
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Bang Tao the Hickman brothers out in Thailand.

1308
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

1309
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to have a good training situation,

1310
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: that's that's probably a good one to be. And if

1311
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: you are James Gallaher, so happy to see what with

1312
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: this evolution of James Gallaher looks like and excited for

1313
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: this matchup for that reason, and it's lined very closely.

1314
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm seeing on FanDuel's like minus one twenty eight plus

1315
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: one oh four, so in.

1316
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Favor of Gallaher.

1317
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: So I think we're going to see a very very

1318
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: closely competitive matchup. And will the injuries have taken a toll?

1319
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: Will there be cage Russ. That's the kind of thing

1320
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: that we are looking to get the answer to on

1321
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: Friday night.

1322
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know, and I know he did a

1323
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, listen, when you're young and you're influential and

1324
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: this was the peak of the Connor McGregor era, a

1325
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, he's just borrowing from

1326
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: Connor well Dode, most people borrow from other people, like

1327
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even you know, you want to

1328
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: be your own person. I understand that, But what I

1329
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: mean to say is I never saw that as disqualifying.

1330
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people didn't have a

1331
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him personally in ways that you

1332
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: and I get the opportunity to do. I'm telling you, folks,

1333
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: if you talk to James Gallaher in person, he is

1334
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: one of the jet like I'm fully, fully fully a

1335
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: guy with humility, understanding, compassion, not the kind of you know,

1336
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: self serving identity that he had projected to the world

1337
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: that had pissed off a lot of people. And again,

1338
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's supposed to be to people

1339
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: who don't know him, you know whatever. I just mean

1340
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: to say, I don't think he's not the kind of

1341
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: guy I would think that that i'd be rooting against.

1342
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: You know, he has to win these fights and he's

1343
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: got to earn his own keep, and that's the way

1344
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: the fight game goes. I think he should probably be

1345
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: able to get it done. But I think a lot

1346
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: of people have the wrong idea about him, and maybe

1347
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: some of that is his fault, maybe some of it isn't.

1348
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: But I think he's a good kid. He's still just

1349
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: twenty six I'm really not ready to write him off

1350
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: in any capacity whatsoever.

1351
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard the guys from the Severe in Remay

1352
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: podcast say the same sort of thing about James that

1353
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: what you see on camera is very different from what

1354
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 3: you see behind the scenes. I mean, people say the

1355
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: same thing about Colby Covington. And people can choose to

1356
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: dislike people, you know, as they see fit. I mean,

1357
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: that's what makes this sport interesting. But they were talking

1358
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: about just how humble of a guy he is, how

1359
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: generous he is, and that kind of persona that he's

1360
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: put on is not really what the people who know

1361
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: James Gallagher feel about about him as a person. So

1362
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, I love to hear that kind of thing,

1363
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: and I'm very eager to see what we can get

1364
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: from him this week, this Friday rather in South Dakota,

1365
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: because I think that his story is a very very

1366
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: good one and this could be a really good redemption

1367
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: spot for him.

1368
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Also on this card, you have Sydney Outlaw returning after

1369
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: a loss to Tuffique Musaiah. He'll be taking on Islam

1370
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: Mama doov. Jeez, they just keep giving this guy hammers.

1371
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: For folks who don't know Sidney outlaw ended up beating

1372
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: Roger Ware So he did lose to Michael Chandler, but

1373
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: then he beat Adam Piccolotti, a black belt who used

1374
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: to be at AKA now with CSA. He beat Miles

1375
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: Jerry former Miles Jerry UFC guy who had a big name.

1376
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: Then he loses to Tafique Musaiah. If he comes back

1377
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: and they give him Islam Mamadov. Islam Mamadov just thirty

1378
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: four years of age, which he's a little bit up there,

1379
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: but has only lost to Benson Henderson via split in

1380
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: belat or otherwise. He's just been blowing through basically everyone

1381
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: including he beat Brent Premis. That's a tough fight on

1382
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: this card as well. But I got to tell you

1383
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: the one that like I like the most. Dude, you

1384
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: go down this card all the way down and it's

1385
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: nothing but interesting fights. We have to talk very briefly

1386
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: about Jordan Oliver making his MMA debut at one forty five,

1387
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: ticking on Andrew Triolo. No, Andrew Triolo is his record,

1388
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: according to what I'm looking at, is O one to oh,

1389
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, not exactly the most distinguished beginning. But Jordan Oliver,

1390
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean I could go on and on about what

1391
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: this guy has done in wrestling. This was a huge

1392
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: get for Bellator to get this guy making his pro debut.

1393
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Big deal, thirty three years of age, still some time

1394
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: to do something in this weak Classhi job believe is

1395
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna be one forty five. I double checked that. Do

1396
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: you have any thought about Jordan Oliver? Do you have

1397
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: any thoughts about the rest of this Cardah.

1398
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: Jordan Oliver's been teasing this for like five or six

1399
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 3: years about taking the plunge in MA and I'm glad

1400
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: he's finally doing it, and a good signing by Bellotour.

1401
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: It seems like they're getting a lot of these kind

1402
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: of grassroots wrestlers early on.

1403
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: I mean, even Dalton Rosta wasn't a big name in

1404
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: collegiate wrestling, but somebody who in the training room at

1405
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: att was just absolutely massacring people from what I understand,

1406
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: and that's why he got signed to Bellator's. They've got

1407
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: a really good scouting department or whatever that is at

1408
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: bellatore at finding a lot of these really highly touted

1409
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: prospects and bringing them in and putting them against kind

1410
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 3: of equal level opponents at this stage in their.

1411
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: Career and building them up slowly.

1412
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 3: Now it hasn't worked for some of their signings, like

1413
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: Ed Ruth, for example, I feel it kind of didn't deliver.

1414
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: I thought that he could be a future champion in Bellatour.

1415
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes a lot of these wrestlers that do

1416
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: transition to MMA, they.

1417
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: Do have a ceiling.

1418
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: But in other cases, you look at like Aaron Pico,

1419
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: I think he still has the capacity to become a

1420
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 3: future champion, especially with we found out I think today

1421
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: or yesterday that Patrisio Pitbull is gonna be up for

1422
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 3: about a year has herniated discs.

1423
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised to see perhaps a Pico and.

1424
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: Jeremy Kennedy rematch for that vacant or sorry interim title

1425
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 3: at one hundred and forty five pounds. But I do

1426
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: love seeing a lot of these signings. And you know,

1427
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: while you did kind of gloss over Steve Mawory and Meldovs,

1428
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: he can say that fight. I know they're kind of

1429
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: running it back, but I'm excited for that one. I

1430
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: love watching tall Steve Mawory do his thing. He's a

1431
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: pretty sizeable underdog here, which which surprises me because I

1432
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: think he's a really solid fighter, so that's one that

1433
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 3: kind of stands out to me.

1434
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: And just a lot of really good prospects.

1435
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: You know. Jalen Bates has been a really good prospect

1436
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 3: for them, but now he's facing a really seasoned Enrique Barzola.

1437
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: He hasn't fought an opponent of this caliber just yet,

1438
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 3: so that's interesting. Sullivan Khley and other great prospect Lucas Brennan.

1439
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: You know, we're seeing a lot of these up and

1440
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 3: coming Bellatore fighters. And the one thing that I give

1441
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: Scott Coker and the Bellatore Brass a ton of credit

1442
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: for is that in the Revnee era, and I would

1443
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: even say early into the Scott Coker era, the prelims

1444
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: were very very much skippable, like you could get to

1445
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: a Bellotor card, watch the main card and you'd see

1446
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: the best of what they have to offer on their roster.

1447
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 3: Hasn't been like that for the last couple of years,

1448
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: where they've really stacked cards from top to bottom and

1449
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: put a lot of really intriguing fighters and prospects on

1450
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: the prelims. They make you want to tune in from

1451
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: start to finish. So you know, I tip my hat

1452
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: my hat to you know, Mike Cogan and Scott Cocheran

1453
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: and the Bellatoor Brass for really building up the roster

1454
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: in a way that allows them to have these really

1455
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: solid fight cards from top to bottom.

1456
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as a reminder for folks who don't know

1457
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: who Jordan Oliver is two time national champion out of

1458
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. He won the He won the senior national title,

1459
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: which is of course once you graduate college and you

1460
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: do freestyle wrestling at sixty five kilos in twenty nineteen,

1461
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: so he didn't win any Olympic medals, but at the

1462
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: folk style, which is the one that most closely correlates

1463
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: to MMA. He was a two time national champion, which

1464
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: is pretty great. And I also agree with you, I

1465
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: think that the prelims have gotten significantly better over the years.

1466
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: This is a great example of it. Also wanted to

1467
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: point out Steve Malory is tall. Steve Mawry is tall.

1468
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk poorly about I'm just gonna

1469
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: see that fight doesn't super interest me. But here's some

1470
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: other names we didn't even mention. Leandro Ego is on

1471
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: the prelims taking on Nikita Mikhail Lelov. I'm sure, I'm

1472
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: saying that wrong in every way possible. Also, former Golden

1473
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: Gopher University of Minnesota Michael Blochus is making his pro

1474
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: debut on this card. He wrestled for them for four

1475
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: years as well. You mentioned Sullivan Coley and some other

1476
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: ones as well. Also Diana av Sara Gova, who is

1477
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: BC's favorite fighter in Belatore if I do so say myself?

1478
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: Taking on UFC veteran Justine Kish. Yeah, there's just a

1479
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: shit ton of fights on this car that are worthy

1480
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: of ten. We'll see what happened, don't forget.

1481
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: Shout out to Josh Hill, Canadian.

1482
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: He did commentary for BTC this past week and a

1483
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: regional promotion based here in southern Ontario and dives right

1484
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: into the cage in Bellatore this this weekend.

1485
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: So shout out to gentleman Josh Hill.

1486
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: Very good. Let's go to topic number three here we can

1487
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor tweeting out some folks, now Dana White through

1488
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: some cold water on this last night. But let's put

1489
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: up these tweets. So Connor was boy, he was he

1490
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: goes on these Twitter spreeze, does he not? And someone

1491
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: asked him, hey, why is the fight with Mike Chandler

1492
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: not interesting to you, and he wrote, quote, I'll do

1493
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: it if they want, no prob I don't think they

1494
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: want him no more. Though. There's loads of juicy fights

1495
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: around and my return date is my return date. I

1496
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: never gave an f about who it was ever. I'll

1497
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: fight anyone. I'll even fly to them. Ask Malanaji Ross

1498
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: still surfing off the Malanaji fame flown in and bet around.

1499
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: And then Michael Chandler kind of responded this, dude, I

1500
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: remember when his words held an immense amount of weight.

1501
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: Just tell the truth. Now you watched Danna White do

1502
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: his post fight media. We want to call it availability. Anyway,

1503
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: he spoke to the media afterwards. What did he tell

1504
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: the media about Michael Chandler and Connor McGregor, And then

1505
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: how do you interpret all of this?

1506
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: Well, he said that the fight's still on.

1507
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: He says that you know, he spoke to Connor a

1508
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: day or two ago and that Connor is ready to fight,

1509
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: and that Chandler will still be the opponent. So here's

1510
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: my question, like, before we find out what's going on

1511
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: with him and USADA, should we be speculating on this,

1512
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: Like if he's expected, and Yusada has said they expect

1513
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: him to be in the pool for six months before

1514
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: he can resume competition in the UFC. Like, why are

1515
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: we talking about all of these different Connor mc gregor

1516
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: scenarios when there's really no timetable for his return until

1517
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 3: he submits the paperwork and gets back into Usawa pool, Like,

1518
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking again six months?

1519
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 2: Like what's six months from now?

1520
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: We basically know almost every main event of the pay

1521
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: per views from now until the end of the year.

1522
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 3: Are they going to try to somehow sneak him onto

1523
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: this December card and find a way around the six

1524
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 3: month you saw the stipulation? I don't know, but like

1525
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: it's hard to really gauge what any of this is

1526
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 3: without knowing what his timetable for return is and knowing

1527
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 3: what's going to happen with you saw it on him

1528
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 3: being in the pool for six months, And I think

1529
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: it would be a really bad look if he does

1530
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 3: somehow circumvent the six month you saw the requirement to

1531
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 3: get back in the pool and zoom testing. I honestly do,

1532
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: and I think that that's gonna be something that.

1533
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: A bad little hold on. Let me stop you there

1534
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: a bad look for who for.

1535
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: Everybody, I mean, for you Soada, for the UFC, and

1536
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: for Connor. I think it's a terrible look because if

1537
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna put guidelines together with you Sada like you

1538
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: guys are, you're gonna sit with you Sada and say

1539
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: these are the guidelines that we're putting together, that the

1540
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: expectation is. And they made Henry so Hudo do this

1541
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: that you're gonna be in the if you're gonna return

1542
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: from retirement from you know, which is what this is

1543
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: at the moment, is a retirement based on the letter

1544
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: of the law that he's going to have to be

1545
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: in the pool for six months. And people compare it

1546
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: to the brock Lesnar situation, But people have to remember

1547
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 3: with the brock Lennar situation, that wasn't a retirement that

1548
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: he was coming out of. He had never tested and

1549
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 3: USAWA prior to that, so that was the equivalent of

1550
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: a new signing. So everybody points to this clause with

1551
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: brock Lesnar and that they made him wave it. But

1552
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 3: if they signed someone off the street to do a

1553
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: short notice fight against somebody on Saturday and they've never

1554
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: fought in the UFC before. I've never been in the

1555
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: USADA pool before. That's a similar situation to brock Lesner

1556
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 3: not having the six months. There was really nothing that

1557
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: made them have to uphold six months for brock Lesner,

1558
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: that was in their paperwork.

1559
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: That that compares to anybody.

1560
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: Else being signed off the street to fight in less

1561
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: than six months that hadn't been in the use out

1562
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: of pool before. That's kind of the misnomer that with

1563
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 3: that comparison to brock Lesner that everybody has with with

1564
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: McGregor the.

1565
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 2: Back, here's the six months.

1566
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: I agree that, I agree they're not identical. There are

1567
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: definitely some different mechanisms. And also that was UFC two hundred.

1568
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: UFC was trying to throw like everything they could at

1569
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: that card. Do you rememb remember, however, how stacked that

1570
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,520
Speaker 1: card was, where like Dila Shaw versus.

1571
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: The four Jones and and DC fell off. It was

1572
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: a massive.

1573
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: Even yeah, even then they got Innerson Silver to fly

1574
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: in on forty eight hours notice. It was just the

1575
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: most insane thing. So these are very different circumstances known

1576
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: to dying. But like, there isn't anything stopping UFC from

1577
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: overriding this if they want to contractually. Your fellow Canadian

1578
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: Eric mcgrocky and the combat sports lawyer, has sort of

1579
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: looked over this and says, if they want to give

1580
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: him a pass, they have the contractual leeway to do so.

1581
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: And I think that's I mean, I sort of see

1582
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: your larger point, which is like where till me this

1583
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: is resolved? Why are we even talking about this? I

1584
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: get that as well, But they're not precluded from doing that.

1585
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: They can pull that trigger if they want.

1586
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely can.

1587
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 3: But then what then, Like, what what's your I if

1588
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: I were asked Jeff Nobisky, why did you do this?

1589
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: Why is this allowed? Like what's his answer going to be?

1590
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know if they can give a one

1591
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 3: that is you know, that makes sense and that is

1592
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: something that the public will accept without really compromising this

1593
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: entire antidping program that they've put together. And I know

1594
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: that you have your reservations about the anti doping program

1595
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 3: as a whole and what its utility is. But if

1596
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: you're going to put this together and you're going to

1597
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 3: lay out the guidelines, like if you're going to override

1598
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 3: all of these things in those guidelines, like what's the

1599
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: purpose of it to begin with. So, you know, I

1600
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: believe that the U sawt OF program has cleaned up

1601
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 3: the sport you know, to a large degree in terms

1602
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 3: of the UFC. You may disagree with that, but I

1603
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: actually believe that we're seeing you know, a very very

1604
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 3: few legitimate, you know, drug test failures.

1605
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: For you know, real you know, hardcore.

1606
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 3: Steroids and drugs that will give you a real performance edge.

1607
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: And most of those tests are new signees that are

1608
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: coming in that don't disclose that they had prior use

1609
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 3: before that, and they end up getting burned and have

1610
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 3: to sit out two years of their career. So, you know,

1611
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: I think that that's what's what makes this an interesting situation,

1612
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 3: and I'm curious to see how it develops because I

1613
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 3: think it would be a really bad president to set.

1614
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: Have you thought about like what it? What this? Hey?

1615
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: How do I ask this question? Have you have you

1616
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: really thought about and like, do you have like an

1617
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: idea in your mind about what this looks like as

1618
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: it ultimately gets resolved. In other words, that they don't

1619
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on their ability to bypass the six

1620
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: months so that they do stick to the six month

1621
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: window and what that means for a return and then

1622
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: who the opponent is the return, Like, do you have

1623
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: a feeling about how what's the endgame here? What does

1624
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: it look like in your mind?

1625
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: Well, we're in the eighth month of the year, so

1626
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 3: if they're going to have six months from now, what

1627
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 3: are we looking at.

1628
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: We're looking at January.

1629
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: I think February we're probably looking at for six months.

1630
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: UFC three hundred is going to be in March, So

1631
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 3: maybe the timetable has just been pushed a little bit

1632
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 3: because I know they're going to want to stack that card,

1633
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,879
Speaker 3: and you stack that card with Connor McGregor.

1634
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, they could do that, They could do that. Yeah,

1635
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do. I don't

1636
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: know how this is all going to shake out. I

1637
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: don't know what the story is going to be. I

1638
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: haven't I can't figure out an endgame here as well.

1639
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: Because I think your general point is correct, which is

1640
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: if they do end up bypassing everything for Connor, I

1641
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 1: don't think there would be any punishment at the box office,

1642
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: but it would potentially damage morale around what some people

1643
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: have is in terms of the faith in the anti

1644
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: doping system that they have. To your point, like they

1645
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: brought on themselves, like.

1646
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: Box office whatsoever. Let's be clear, Yeah, I don't know.

1647
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 3: That's the reason that circumvented is because money talks.

1648
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: Right, right, right right, So in the end, that would

1649
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: look good. But you're right, like, what would they say.

1650
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: Here's what I just come back to, though, Like it's

1651
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: like what promoters always do. But promoters in the end

1652
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,919
Speaker 1: always end up making not always that's not right. Usually

1653
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: end up making a choice that is the more beneficial

1654
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: one to their bottom line, and then they just have

1655
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: to find ways to explain why they abandoned previous rules

1656
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: or norms, and then most people bitch about it for

1657
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: a while and then they just kind of move on.

1658
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Let me be clear. I'm not

1659
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: predicting that will happen, because I don't really know. I

1660
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: don't have a strong sense. And your point about USC

1661
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: three hundred I think is well taken, but I wouldn't

1662
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: rule it out. I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

1663
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ruling it out whatsoever.

1664
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 3: It could certainly happen, but I I just don't know

1665
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 3: how they can recover the credibility of the program if

1666
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 3: they're willing to just brazenly do that. That's just my opinion,

1667
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: and I think that we're gonna have to see how

1668
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 3: it goes. I think that saving it for UFC three

1669
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 3: hundred will be a good move, and I really do

1670
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 3: hope that they continue to make, you know, make sure

1671
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: Chandler is the opponent, because to have him sit out

1672
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 3: for this chunk of his career expecting to get this

1673
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: big payday, I think the only thing that you could

1674
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 3: say to him is, let's hold off.

1675
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: We're going to do this at UFC three hundred.

1676
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: Connor needs six months of clean testing and UFC three

1677
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: hundred could be our biggest event ever. You're going to

1678
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 3: get a cut of the pay per views for facing

1679
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor. Like, that's a massive potential payday for Michael

1680
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 3: Chandler if that's how this comes together, because I think

1681
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: they kind of owe Michael Chandler now they don't really

1682
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 3: owe anybody.

1683
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: We sell.

1684
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: What happened with this WonderBoy thing yesterday, I'm not sure

1685
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: if we're going to touch on that, But at the

1686
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 3: same time, I think that Michael Chandler has done everything

1687
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 3: that's been asked of him to make sure that he

1688
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,879
Speaker 3: continues to secure this matchup with Connor McGregor.

1689
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: We can in just a minute. But let's first go

1690
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: to topic number four, which is we do have a

1691
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: main event for UFC two ninety three finally, So I

1692
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: guess the story here is that Sean Strickland. They didn't

1693
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: know if he was gonna be able to get a

1694
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: visa in time in order to make this happen. But

1695
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: it turns out he probably has done it. Now the

1696
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: UFC announced that there was previous reports of it. It's

1697
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Israel ASNYA taking on Sean Strickland. This is

1698
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: your main event for UFC two ninety three. I want

1699
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: to see if I can find the odds. I don't

1700
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: have any yet. I'm gonna guess if they do have odds,

1701
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: they are substantially in the favorite of Yeah, they do

1702
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: have them.

1703
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bandal's got mine the place happening for Israel.

1704
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He is a huge in a lot of ways,

1705
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: which I understand. Let me ask the question this way. Listen,

1706
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: the UFC, if you think about it this way, right,

1707
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: it really depends on how you want to look at this.

1708
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: If you want to look at it as hey, the

1709
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: UFC has a very crowded calendar, and they wanted things

1710
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: to go a certain way. They weren't able to get

1711
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: it because obviously they wanted drink As duple Seed to

1712
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: turn around to get this fight after beating Robert Whitaker,

1713
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: but he wasn't able to make it happen. You know,

1714
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: this is this is not their A game. This is

1715
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: by definition, their B game. This is what they had

1716
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: to resort to because their top plan didn't work out. Hey, guys,

1717
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: if this is not your top choice, you still have

1718
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: a guy in Shawn Strickland who is an experienced, i

1719
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: would say, credentialed Middle eight taking on It's a fresh challenge,

1720
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: by the way for the guy who just recaptured his belt,

1721
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: So that's good. And you get to have a guy

1722
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: who's native to the Oceanic region headlining. If this is

1723
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: your backup plan, hey, that's a pretty good backup plan.

1724
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: That's one way to look at it. The other way

1725
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: to look at it is, dude, how did we get

1726
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: so late that on August eighth, Because now August ninth,

1727
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: they announced a pay per view main event, which is

1728
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: basically only a month later on September tenth, for a

1729
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: very important market that they have that's growing with arguably

1730
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: one of their fighters who's not only a champion but

1731
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,480
Speaker 1: with his last win, entered the stratosphere in terms of popularity,

1732
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: And like Star Turn, how did we get so late

1733
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: in the day with all this? Which side of the

1734
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: debate do you come down in interpreting this?

1735
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 3: Well, I guess they were trying to, like you said,

1736
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 3: go through that legal red tape of the visa situation

1737
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 3: and passport situation of Sean stricklel in order to make

1738
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 3: sure that they could do this before they would announce it.

1739
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the co main event was it

1740
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: was announced yesterday as Tai tu Ivasa against Alexander Volkov.

1741
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 3: So I don't really think there was a backup plan here,

1742
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 3: which is the kind of scary thing about this, Like

1743
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: what would they have done otherwise? I guess you could

1744
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: have done Israel versus Cannon near two. But again, we're

1745
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 3: a month away from the card. I'll say this, I

1746
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 3: think this is going to be a fun fight. Like

1747
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 3: the fight itself, I'm really looking forward to the lead

1748
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 3: up to the fight. I think is going to be

1749
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: very very, very cringey, and I think it's something I'm

1750
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: not really looking forward to. And the other thing about

1751
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 3: it is Australia as a country, and I guess you

1752
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 3: could say New Zealand as well. You know, they they

1753
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 3: have been very, very hesitant to accept mixed martial arts

1754
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,919
Speaker 3: as unacceptable I guess, so to speak sport in their country.

1755
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 2: Now. I know Sydney and Sidney tourism and everything.

1756
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: That I've done a lot to secure these UFC events.

1757
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 3: I think it's what an event every for the next

1758
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 3: four years and two of them are pay per views

1759
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 3: something along those lines that are gonna bring championship bouts

1760
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: to Sydney. Obviously having Israel as the headliner, you know,

1761
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: outside of maybe Bulk is their best case scenario.

1762
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 2: Given the Vulca is from Australia.

1763
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, if you're gonna bring Sean

1764
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: Strickland there to do media and all of this stuff

1765
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 3: in Australia, is that going to change the perception of

1766
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: the sport in the country. Maybe they don't care. Maybe

1767
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: it's just some politicians that are, you know, getting their

1768
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 3: panties in a bunch about this sort of thing when

1769
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 3: it comes to mixed martials being say a barbaric sport

1770
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1771
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 2: Although rugby is you know.

1772
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 3: I think a fairly you know, fairly I wouldn't say

1773
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: Barbara export, but a sport that takes a very similar

1774
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: toll on the body of the athletes, that is widely

1775
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 3: accepted their same with Ossie rules football. But I digress

1776
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 3: from from that argument. I think that that's going to

1777
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: be a really strange lead up, is all I've got

1778
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 3: to say about this particular pairing. But I think the

1779
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 3: fight itself is going to be a lot of fun

1780
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 3: with both these guys staying on the feet. Strickland's going

1781
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 3: to try to implement his style against Israel and we'll

1782
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 3: see how it goes.

1783
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually very eager to see this as a matchup.

1784
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what to do because if you're

1785
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: the UFC, you've got so many masters to serve in

1786
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: terms of their content schedule forty plus events a year.

1787
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: It's just hard to do that with visa complications, injuries, illnesses,

1788
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: cancelations of any kind who they hell knows, it's very

1789
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: difficult to do any of that. So, on the one hand,

1790
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: I do think if this is I like you, I

1791
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: initially had asked a question, Hey, what side of the

1792
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: debate you come down on. I mean, I think both

1793
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: things are true for a B game. For a B plan,

1794
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: it's a pretty fucking good B plan. Like there's not

1795
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: a lot of promotions who could pull something out like

1796
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: this as a backup plan and do really well, So

1797
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. On the other hand, I do

1798
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: also think it underscores that the UFC's calendar is this

1799
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: very even for them, and the amount of guys they

1800
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: have on the roster, like why did they sign, you know,

1801
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: all five winners last night. Not to say that these

1802
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: guys could sub in at the headlining role, but rather

1803
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: they need all they need all hands on deck. They

1804
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: need all hands on deck to be able to fulfill

1805
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: all the requirements to put out the events that they're

1806
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: contractually able to are required rather, I should say, to

1807
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: put out. So I think it's where we end up.

1808
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 1: You raise such an interesting and great point aarr about

1809
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: the state of Australia and New Zealand, And of course

1810
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: it's not one thing or the other depending on what

1811
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: territory or what politician wants to make an issue of it,

1812
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: but they do have a bit of a backwards attitude

1813
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: relative to the United States or Canada. We should say

1814
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: North America, how about in terms of their acceptance of MMA,

1815
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: even if they accept other sports that are equally violent.

1816
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: But the part that comes up to me is like,

1817
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: here's the difference. I remember at the time when this

1818
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: country felt that way about MMA, where half liked it

1819
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: or what half did and or you know, it was polarizing,

1820
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: but the people who didn't really didn't. And then Frank

1821
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: Meher was supposed to fight brock Lesner and he had

1822
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: said he hoped Brock was going to be the first

1823
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: death in the octagon, and they removed him from his

1824
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: commentary role at WEC for that, and it was kind

1825
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: of a big deal at the time. Now, I don't

1826
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: know that Seawn Strickland's going to be wishing death on anyone,

1827
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean his edge lord act is

1828
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: out there. To put it quite mildly, he has a

1829
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: range of opinions that are you know, to call them

1830
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: outside the Overton window is putting it mildly. Boy, they

1831
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: would not have done that. They would not have put

1832
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: a guy like that in that role. This were fifteen

1833
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: years ago in the United States. They simply wouldn't do it.

1834
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: Not possible. They're gonna do it there, I guess because

1835
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: they kind of have to in a certain way, and

1836
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: I guess they're just going to decide to roll the dice.

1837
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this much, the UFC feels

1838
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: much less encumbered by the negative attitudes towards it, whether

1839
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: they're fair or unfair, than they used to, because I

1840
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: can tell you they used to never do something like

1841
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: this and now they're just going to. I think they

1842
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: feel like they're just not really encumbered by it in

1843
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: the way that they maybe once felt.

1844
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I agree with that, and I

1845
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 3: think that we're looking at the thirtieth year of the

1846
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 3: UFC right now.

1847
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: It's a household name.

1848
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 3: You know, a lot more people identify with UFC than MMA,

1849
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: if you were to say those three initials to just

1850
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 3: the every person. I think that they have decided that

1851
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: what people say about them from here is just it

1852
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter to them. I mean, they're making record

1853
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: profits year over year. They've obviously established themselves as a

1854
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: sport globally. I think from a global standpoint, one of

1855
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 3: the biggest sports in the world in terms of global popularity.

1856
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 3: Where you know, you look at rugby in Australia, it's

1857
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 3: not what it is here in North America. You look

1858
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 3: at American football here and it's got basically no presence

1859
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 3: outside of North America. So I think that the UFC

1860
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: have grown this massive global brand that if politicians in

1861
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: Australia don't really.

1862
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 2: Accept it, but you've got like.

1863
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: The Tourism Board of Sydney that are you know, throwing

1864
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 3: money at you to hold events at them, you know, sorry,

1865
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 3: in Sydney for the next four years or whatever it is,

1866
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 3: that maybe you just take.

1867
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: The good with the best.

1868
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, you can't really put

1869
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 3: a leash on Sean Strickland. That it's shown, we've seen

1870
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 3: that time and time again that he's just going to

1871
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: say whatever it is that he wants to say, whenever

1872
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: he wants to say it, and that's, you know, kind

1873
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: of what his cachet is. But at the same time,

1874
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: he's a fun fighter to watch, an exciting fighter to watch.

1875
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,919
Speaker 3: In my opinion, from a technical standpoint, he fights anybody,

1876
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: any time, and he's never shied away from any fight

1877
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 3: that they've thrown at him, and I think he's earned

1878
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 3: his opportunity. So from a fight standpoint, I think this

1879
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 3: really is the best case scenario for a main event

1880
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: given the parameters that they have right now, when you

1881
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 3: look at all of the other title fights that in

1882
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 3: the title pictures, really in the other divisions, there really

1883
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot to choose from. And if you

1884
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,799
Speaker 3: can get somebody who's as big as Israel in the region,

1885
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 3: you can put him against anybody. But I think having

1886
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: a fresh opponent in Strickland is a solid matchup that

1887
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 3: again from an exis and O standpoint, I'm curious to

1888
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: see how it plays out.

1889
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: How much trepidation do you have about the press conference.

1890
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 2: Though, But it doesn't matter to me.

1891
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, I'll cover

1892
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 3: it and I'll you know, I'll watch it and.

1893
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: All of that.

1894
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: But it's gonna there's gonna be some cringing moments and

1895
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 3: that that is just Listen. If I if I told

1896
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: you that there was gonna be cringe moments at a

1897
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 3: UFC press conference, would you be shocked?

1898
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 2: Like is that something that would surprise you?

1899
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? But this one, I mean, I don't know, I

1900
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna happen. I don't know how

1901
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna look.

1902
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Jo. I was gonna perhaps break during this one. I mean,

1903
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm.

1904
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might, it might yeah, and also just you know,

1905
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: just the I mean, I guess we'll see what happens

1906
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: in the end. I don't know, but I'm less interested

1907
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: in the fight itself though. I you people have said

1908
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: I saw someone on Twitter the today saying this felt

1909
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: this feels like Connor Diaz one, which I have to

1910
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: tell you it does not in any way, shape or form.

1911
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: But what I would say is there are people who

1912
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: are too easy to dismiss Sean Strickland in this one. Now,

1913
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: to be clear, I favored the champion, and probably by

1914
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: considerable distance, but there are ways in which I think

1915
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: Strickland can disrupt his rhythm. I think there are ways

1916
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: in which Strickland can make this a little bit more competitive,

1917
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Speaker 1: and maybe even by the way, like in ways that

1918
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Strickland fights, it brought out the violence side of Alex Pareeda,

1919
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: I can see that happening for Izzy. I can also

1920
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: see a case where the way in which Strickland fights

1921
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: brings out a more reserved side of Izzy as well,

1922
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: in which case you just you get Izzy being better,

1923
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: but not like going for the kill that could have

1924
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: That's that's on the table here too, So I don't

1925
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: know exactly what kind of fight we're gonna get. I

1926
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 1: just have a hard time seeing Strickland overcome Izzy in

1927
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: the end. That's the part that I that's the part

1928
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: that I just can't really wrap my head around.

1929
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think that it's gonna be a

1930
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 3: matter of distance, Like if Strickland can pressure him and

1931
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 3: pressure him and pressure him and stay in that kind

1932
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: of close proximity where he lands those big jobs and

1933
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 3: he lands you know, the volume striking that has made

1934
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: him so successful in this division and really tries to

1935
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: drown Israel with strikes. That's what I'm curious to see

1936
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: is like how will Israel answer that. I mean, Israel

1937
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 3: is such a a wizard on the feet that I'm

1938
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 3: sure he already has an answer for this in his head.

1939
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: But in practicum, I'm curious to see how it plays out.

1940
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 3: Like I want to see if Sean Strickland can utilize

1941
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 3: the game plan that we know. We know what Sean

1942
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 3: Strickland's game plan is. Everybody knows what it is going

1943
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 3: into a fight. It's always pretty much been the same

1944
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 3: and it's been very successful for him. So what is

1945
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: Israel going to see in advance of this that he

1946
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: can take advantage of. And I think that that's what

1947
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 3: makes it so much fun to watch is because when

1948
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 3: Israel solves that puzzle, that is always.

1949
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: What brings out the best in Israel.

1950
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: And I think that this isn't the toughest puzzle to

1951
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 3: solve when you're looking at it from the outside, looking

1952
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 3: in as Israel, But when you actually have Sean Strickland

1953
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: coming forward and throwing strikes at you and trying to

1954
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 3: suffocate you with volume, it becomes a different story. And

1955
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: I think that that's what makes this such an interesting fight.

1956
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: And I think it's going to be a fight that

1957
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 3: that's going to be exciting. And Israel's fights sometimes when

1958
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: you look at him against like a cannoneer, for example,

1959
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 3: and he has to solve that puzzle and sometimes kind

1960
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: of has to abandon the excitement levels, so to speak,

1961
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: or the entertainment value. I don't think this fight is

1962
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 3: going to be like I think if this fight has

1963
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: a lot of the makings to make it a very

1964
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 3: very entertaining fight.

1965
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: All right, real quickly, I'm gonna have to punt on

1966
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: our original topic number five because we just don't have

1967
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: time to get to it quickly. You did raise something

1968
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: before about the WonderBoy situation, so let's back up a step.

1969
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: Wonder Boy was set to fight Michelle Paeda, and now

1970
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: I think almost two weeks ago, ten days ago, whatever

1971
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: it was, Padta misses weight and wonder Boy like by

1972
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, a few pounds actually, and then and then

1973
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: wonder Boy says, you know, I'm just not going to

1974
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: take this fight on short notice against a guy or

1975
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: not notice. I'm not going to take a fight against

1976
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: a guy who missed weight at the stage of my career.

1977
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: And there's there was some uproar as we explained to fans,

1978
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: like there's nothing I've ever I've not seen every single

1979
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: UFC contract, Aaron, but I've seen I can say that

1980
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: every single UFC contract that I have seen all had

1981
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: the same provision, which is, there's no such thing as

1982
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: show and win money in the language. It is merely

1983
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: purse and bonus and purse. You are entitled to it

1984
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: upon bout completion. So if you and I are scheduled

1985
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: to fight and I miss weight and you didn't, there's

1986
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: just nothing in your contract that will force the UFC

1987
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 1: to pay any amount. You have to just basically rely

1988
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: on generosity, which at times can work, at times it can't.

1989
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Dana White spoke about this yesterday. Why don't you tell

1990
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: the folks what he said about it and then give

1991
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: me your interpretation of this entire ordeal.

1992
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he basically said, you can't just come to

1993
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 3: fight week, make weight, your opponent misses weight, and then

1994
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: you say no, I just don't want to fight. You know,

1995
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 3: he could have gotten a percentage of Pereira's purse on

1996
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 3: top of his show money, as we'll call it. I mean,

1997
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: I think that that's one thing you've done a really

1998
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 3: good job of peering up recently, since this whole thing

1999
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 3: has happened. Is like, part of the MMA nomenclature is

2000
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: like people are using show and win, and that's not

2001
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 3: really what it is. But when you hear show, it's like, well,

2002
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 3: you show up, you do your job, you make weight,

2003
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 3: you get on that scale, you're ready to go, and

2004
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 3: your opponent doesn't do that, you should get your show money.

2005
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: But based on.

2006
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 3: The language of the contracts, that's not really how it works.

2007
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 3: So Dana White basically said, you know, he there were

2008
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 3: some other stuff that happened behind the scenes he turned

2009
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: down kind of another short notice opponent. If you want

2010
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: to do some math, what's a big name one hundred

2011
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: and seventy pound fight that just fell off that's coming

2012
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 3: up in the next couple of weeks, Kelvin Gastlim against

2013
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 3: Shoftcot Rochmanov. Maybe that's the fight that got turned down.

2014
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 3: And if you're a wonder Boy, I kind of don't

2015
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 3: blame you for turning that fight down. Although he did

2016
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 3: have a full camp for Pereira to get prepared.

2017
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 2: For that kind of a fight.

2018
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: It's a very very different stylistic matchup than Michelle Perera,

2019
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: so I think that maybe that was the fight he

2020
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 3: turned down. I do think though, that a fight with

2021
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 3: Uzman if that is going to come together for October,

2022
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: which has been thrown around, and when I spoke to

2023
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 3: Ali ab Delaziz last week, that was something that he

2024
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 3: had mentioned was a possibility. He would like to see

2025
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 3: the Gastolum and the shaft Cut fight get rebooked as well.

2026
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see exactly what they're gonna do with

2027
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 3: wonder Boy and Dano. I did say by this weekend

2028
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 3: we should have it figured out, so I don't think

2029
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: this story is over just yet. But at the same time,

2030
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 3: like the part that kind of irks me, and I

2031
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: think a lot of the MMA fans is that Wonder

2032
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 3: Boy has been such a good soldier for the UFC.

2033
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: He's one of the nicest guys in the sport, that

2034
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: might be the nicest guy in the history of the sport.

2035
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 3: It's just when you sit down and talk to Wonder Boy,

2036
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: he talks to you like he's known you for years

2037
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 3: and years and years. He's just that kind of guy.

2038
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 3: He's personable, he's you know, humble. He's fought for the

2039
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: title on multiple occasions and done what the UFC he's

2040
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,440
Speaker 3: asked him. He does all kinds of different promotional appearances.

2041
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: To see them kind of you know, stiff him so

2042
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 3: to speak, and not pay him at least something for

2043
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: making that weight, I think is you know, troubling to

2044
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 3: a lot of fans when you look at the kind

2045
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 3: of guy the Wonder Boy is. But I think again,

2046
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 3: it's about setting precedents, and that's why these kind of

2047
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: things I think need to be dealt with behind closed doors.

2048
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 2: If you're a fighter. I don't mean to say that

2049
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 2: he shouldn't.

2050
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Be talking to media and say that he hasn't gotten

2051
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 3: paid yet or anything like that, because I think that

2052
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: sometimes you do want to try to get that sort

2053
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 3: of leverage, but sometimes I think that can work against

2054
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 3: you in certain circumstances. And Dana White was I think

2055
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 3: out of town when that whole thing played out on

2056
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 3: vacation for his birthday or whatever it was. And maybe

2057
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 3: he should have waited for the to settle a little

2058
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 3: bit before he or his management said that he didn't

2059
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 3: get paid any money for that situation, maybe he would

2060
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 3: have gotten something.

2061
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's not really how it

2062
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 2: should work.

2063
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I more or less agree with that.

2064
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the right answer is. Like

2065
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: one way would be just raised fight or pay overall.

2066
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: So some of these circumstances would because like there's no

2067
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: promoter in boxing who's going to like generously just pay

2068
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: you for fight, not fighting when you turn it down.

2069
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Although you still see guys in boxing turn opponents down

2070
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: when opponents miss wait all the time. That's actually much

2071
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: more common over there. Is that a function of culture?

2072
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: Is that a function of financial independence. I don't really

2073
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: know the answer. It's something to think about, so, you know,

2074
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: One way would be like if there was a trade

2075
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: association or a union, they would force in language being

2076
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: like hey, if an opponent misses, wait, and then the

2077
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: person doesn't want to fight, they get compensated for like

2078
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: just their costs, right like travel, maybe part part of

2079
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: their camp, you know, a fraction of the purse. Whatever

2080
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: it is, I don't know. I don't know what the

2081
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: answer is, but it just feels like the curt.

2082
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: Make the penalties differ. We've seen what the pfl's done.

2083
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: You take a point away entering the fight for one

2084
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 3: of the rounds, maybe a.

2085
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 1: Larger person I love, But by the way, I love that.

2086
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

2087
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 3: And I know you often will find as many ways

2088
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: to rip the PFL smart cage as possible, but I

2089
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 3: think that is the smart cage. Deducting that point, I

2090
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 3: think is a very very smart move on behalf of

2091
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: the PFL. Something I'd like to see more, and I'd

2092
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 3: like to see the commissions get behind because I think

2093
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 3: that when you're in a situation like this and the

2094
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 3: fighters trained so hard for a specific opponent, there obviously

2095
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 3: is a big advantage for that opponent if they don't

2096
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 3: make that weight. And I think that you need to

2097
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 3: make the penalties differ. I personally think that is the

2098
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 3: answer if you want to avoid these sort of situations

2099
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 3: from taking place. And I think taking a point away

2100
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 3: is something that will make fighters hesitate to miss the weight.

2101
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 3: We'll make it no contest. Fighter missus weight wins, make

2102
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 3: it a no contest unless.

2103
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: By stoppage or something. Right, but yeah, if he goes

2104
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: to a decision, yeah, kind of.

2105
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 3: Even if it's by stoppage, make it a no contest.

2106
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 3: You didn't do your job, you didn't make the weight,

2107
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:56,560
Speaker 3: you can still make it.

2108
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: Then they won't say yes. Then they won't fight either,

2109
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They if they can't, if

2110
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: they can't win, they won't fight. Like, I agree with

2111
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: taking a point, but.

2112
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 3: What you still have to get I mean, I guess

2113
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 3: so because they're still they can still get a win

2114
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 3: bonus for winning even if they missed.

2115
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: Wait, so I yeah, I guess I understand that, right.

2116
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Uh, Okay, last, but not least, let's play a little

2117
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: bit of a game. But the time we have remaining

2118
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a name, but we're gonna call it

2119
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: getting to know Aaron Bronstetter. I've got ten questions for

2120
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: you all very simple, nothing very difficult at all. These

2121
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: are all just questions that you can answer for us

2122
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: that are gonna help us, how to help the audience

2123
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: know you better. Now, some of this is about you,

2124
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: some of this is about Canada, some of this is

2125
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: about your version of Canada. But it's still kind of all.

2126
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Bronstetter in the air, Are you ready to play?

2127
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I can hear the live viewers leaving our

2128
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 3: YouTube stream as we speak, but yeah, you're sure, go ahead,

2129
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 3: let's go.

2130
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: H Okay, Well, this won't take long. This won't take long,

2131
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: So this wild be a little bit of a fun

2132
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: all right, give me, Aaron Bronstetter, the first MMA fight

2133
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you ever saw in person and first one you ever

2134
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: saw on TV.

2135
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 2: In person. I couldn't tell you the first fight, but

2136
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 2: I can tell you the card.

2137
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:08,879
Speaker 3: It was UFC eighty seven, which was headlined by Gesp

2138
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 3: and Fitch, I believe, with the comin event of Brocklesner

2139
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 3: getting his first win in the UFC against Heath Harring

2140
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 3: and John Jones getting his first win in the UFC

2141
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 3: against Andrea Goosmau. So that was the first card that

2142
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 3: I attended in person. The first one I watched.

2143
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: That's fifteen years ago today.

2144
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 3: Oh wow, well, there we go, fifteen years ago today.

2145
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 3: I attended my very first UFC event. The first one, well,

2146
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 3: I watched like UFC one or two or three, like

2147
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 3: one of the really early ones at a friend's house

2148
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 3: back when I was younger. That would probably be the

2149
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 3: first one that I watched. But in terms of the

2150
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 3: first one that I watched where I really started to

2151
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 3: watch consistently after that, it would have been the Laddell

2152
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: Rampage two.

2153
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember what number UFC.

2154
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: That was, seventy six something like that.

2155
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, something along those lines. That would have been

2156
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 3: the first one that really kind of got me hooked

2157
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:52,799
Speaker 3: on the sport.

2158
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: Okay, very good question number two. Here we go, and

2159
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, I know what the answer to at least

2160
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: one of this is gonna be. But just humor us

2161
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: just the same. Top three favorite Canadian MMA fighters go.

2162
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 3: Should I take GSP out? I mean, GSP is gonna

2163
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 3: be on there for sure.

2164
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: If you want, because I mean, you just can't make

2165
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: a list without GSP So I get it, you know, all.

2166
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna say George Saint Pierre.

2167
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Charles Jordan, who I've loved watching his fights,

2168
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 3: super exciting to watch. I'm trying to go back into

2169
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 3: the rolodex of fighters that I, like you used to

2170
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 3: love watching back in the day. It's just hard for

2171
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 3: me to My recall isn't great with a lot of

2172
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 3: this stuff. I loved watching TJ. Grant fight, Like TJ.

2173
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 3: Grant is probably on my list of Canadians.

2174
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 2: That that I love to watch. Yes, I think who else?

2175
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 3: Who else would be on that list? I guess that's three.

2176
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 3: But like I loved watching Mark Amenick, I loved watching

2177
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 3: Chris Hordeski. I know one never made it to the

2178
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 3: to the UFC, dude, you.

2179
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Know who never get comes up. But I loved it

2180
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: when he was around Dennis Kang, Dennis.

2181
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,879
Speaker 3: King, and he was like considered a really top prospect

2182
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 3: coming into the UFC, and you know, it was a

2183
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 3: little bit up and down, but I mean his pre

2184
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 3: UFC career is really what the most exciting Dennis Kang moments.

2185
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: Would have been. Yeah, and also don't forget that I

2186
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 2: thought he was amazing.

2187
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 3: He was one of the best featherweights in the world

2188
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 3: before the UFC introduced the featherweight Divisney.

2189
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: He was fighting in Japan, no doubt about it. All Right,

2190
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: let's go to number of question number three. Here we go,

2191
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: give me your favorite Canadian food, but like a food

2192
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: that has a tradition in Canada. Right, So for example,

2193
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: here we'll have like, you know, grilled out food for

2194
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: July fourth, we'll have turkey on Thanksgiving. Give me like

2195
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a favorite Canadian food that comes with the tradition.

2196
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 2: We don't have a ton of them.

2197
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I love a good poutine, but like it

2198
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 3: feels like I've eaten a brick after having a poutine.

2199
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to give like a weird answer. Like maple syrup.

2200
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 3: Maple syrup in general is just a tremendous food. Like

2201
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 3: I know, it's not like a meal or anything like,

2202
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 3: but if I was to equate Canada and like food,

2203
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 3: maple syrup is like like our like our gold on

2204
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 3: the podium. Just because you can add maple syrup to coffee,

2205
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 3: you can add it to like it's much healthier than

2206
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 3: like refined sugar, and I don't eat refined sugar. So

2207
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 3: maple syrup has been like a real god send for

2208
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 3: me when it comes to sweetening.

2209
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: Things.

2210
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say maple syrup.

2211
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: Listen, ain't nothing wrong with maple syrup. Not a damn thing.

2212
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: Love that answer. Here we go.

2213
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: And bacon is obviously great too, but don't tell the

2214
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 2: Rabbi not just ham.

2215
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: It's just fucking ham, right, you just fucking sliced ham.

2216
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: It depends on the utail.

2217
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't just go out and just like cook

2218
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 3: a piece of like of Canadian bacon, but having it

2219
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 3: on like with like Holland days on like a an

2220
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 3: English mouffin with an egg, like it doesn't get much better.

2221
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty

2222
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: goodl Right, here we go. Question for tell me who

2223
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: the best Canadian musician ever is?

2224
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 3: Well, now, now you've you've got me in a bad

2225
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 3: place because, like I know that a lot of people

2226
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 3: like love Neil Young, but I'm like, not the biggest

2227
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 3: Neil Young guy.

2228
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 2: I think that's Canadian musician ever.

2229
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 1: You and Leonard Skinnard.

2230
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Leonard.

2231
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Cohen is a tremendous artist, but in terms of like

2232
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 3: musicianship where it's like Leonard, like Leonard Cohen isn't necessarily

2233
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 3: the best, like like.

2234
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Pound for pound musician.

2235
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna punt on this one, honestly because there's so

2236
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 3: many options, but like in terms of like sheer musicianship,

2237
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 3: maybe like, oh what about like Neil Pert. Neil Perk

2238
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 3: is like an incredible musician like you're looking for just

2239
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 3: like instrumentation like that.

2240
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,959
Speaker 2: That's that's probably a tough one to surpass.

2241
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: The correct answer is justin Bieber, but I'll forgive you

2242
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: all right. Question number five, all right, we'll move on

2243
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: from Canada after this. Here we go. Question number five,

2244
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 1: Which part of Canada do you like the least? And

2245
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: tell me why? Now? I say that asking as an

2246
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: American who's been to Canada a few times. What a

2247
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: wonderful place, love Canada, It's tremendous. But as a Canadian,

2248
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: what part do you like the least? And why?

2249
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 2: Well?

2250
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 3: I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this,

2251
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 3: but it's where BC is right now, rural Quebec. They're

2252
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 3: just not very friendly to me in rural Quebec. So

2253
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just say rural Quebec. And maybe I don't

2254
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 3: speak friends well, so maybe that's why. And I'm just

2255
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 3: feel like an outsider there but that's where I've had Like.

2256
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 2: You imagine as a Canadian.

2257
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Can you imagine BC right now trying to fumble his

2258
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: fucking way through rural Quebec.

2259
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 3: It's I bet he is taking with him some advice

2260
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: like in advance before he went, and giving him like

2261
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 3: a like a discretion. And he says that like his

2262
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 3: wife is like just can make friends with absolutely anybody.

2263
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 3: So I said to him, like, just let her do

2264
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 3: the talking and you just you don't need to make

2265
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: jokes to them, becau they're not going to like your jokes.

2266
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 3: So that was the advice that I gave to BC

2267
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 3: as he headed to to rural Quebec. It's a beautiful place,

2268
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 3: like real Quebec. Rural Quebec is stunning, And I've never

2269
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 3: been to Quebec City and I've always wanted to go,

2270
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe it's just like I've only had a

2271
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 3: handful of experiences there as a whole, but every Canadian

2272
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 3: major city yet been too.

2273
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: I really like, yeah, I agree on that one as well.

2274
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: I've been to Taboo Sac in rural Canada. I think

2275
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: that's rural rural Kubec, and I went and saw whale

2276
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: watching there, which is pretty incredible. But the thing is

2277
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: my dad speaks French, so we kind of got around

2278
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: no problem. But it is beautiful. It is beautiful. Okay,

2279
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: here we go. You're one of the nicest guys, as

2280
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: all Canadians are known for being friendly. But tell me

2281
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: something that you just know you know you have any

2282
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: irrational hatred for what is it?

2283
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 3: An irrational I hate traffic, but I think everybody can.

2284
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 3: That's like a rational hatred right.

2285
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Right, But does it send you into like how quickly

2286
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: do you get angry about it?

2287
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 3: Is really the question, oh, very very quickly, Like I'm

2288
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 3: an angry driver, like I will I hate sitting in

2289
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 3: traffic to like a degree like I would never be

2290
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 3: able to live in like la. First off, I live

2291
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 3: in Toronto, where traffic is horrible, and I will do

2292
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to avoid rush hour traffic, like I

2293
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 3: hate driving in a rush hour to like an irrational degree. Okay,

2294
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 3: I just I don't like sitting there, especially if I

2295
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 3: have kids in the car, Like at least if I'm

2296
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 3: on my own I can do a podcast or something.

2297
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 3: I still hate it even then, but uh es, yeah,

2298
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 3: bad traffic, like I can't do better.

2299
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: I'm with you completely, Like I can watch last Traffic

2300
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: is terrible. Traffic's terrible, but I don't ever engage with it.

2301
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: On rush hour, I take public transportation. I buy a

2302
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: walk you know what I mean. Like I don't like

2303
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: people like I'm going to drive cross country. I hope

2304
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: I crash in the first five minutes and die. No

2305
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:17,799
Speaker 1: interest whatsoever.

2306
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 3: All Right, I live near the train station, so like

2307
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 3: I can get downtown in rush hour in like thirty

2308
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 3: five minutes. The idea of I had to drive downtown

2309
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 3: like a handful of times in the morning, like during

2310
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 3: the morning commute from where I live, and I live

2311
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,640
Speaker 3: about thirty five minutes out of downtown Toronto, and it

2312
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 3: was just like dreadful, Like I was, like, people do

2313
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:37,799
Speaker 3: this every day, and I don't.

2314
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: Know how they do it, Like I don't know how

2315
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: they have the patience for it.

2316
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Same in the States. All Right, here we go again.

2317
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: You got to play the game with me. Here we go. Ready,

2318
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,799
Speaker 1: say something mean about Brian Campbell.

2319
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: Something mean about Brian Campbell.

2320
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, he likes a lot of like really mid seventies music,

2321
01:40:56,439 --> 01:41:00,759
Speaker 3: like very like like middle of the Road, like seventies

2322
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 3: classic rock that like you would hear on like FM

2323
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 3: stations that that's probably the worst thing I can say

2324
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 3: about BC. Like bc BC like gravitates towards a lot

2325
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 3: of MR music.

2326
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: What's mor O the Road? Mr? Yeah? Yeah? All right,

2327
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: here we go. How about this? And this can open

2328
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: up anything in any direction. Tell me your favorite sports

2329
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: moment of your life. Now, this could be either you

2330
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: participating in one thing, watching something, whatever. Your favorite sports

2331
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 1: moment of your life. What is it.

2332
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 3: The most joy I got from a singular sports moment

2333
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 3: was Joe Carter's three run home run That's steal the

2334
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 3: World Series. I mean, if if you've lived in Toronto

2335
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 3: when you were alive during that time, like that's probably

2336
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 3: got to be your answer. I don't think there's ever

2337
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 3: been like a better moment in the history of Toronto

2338
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 3: sports than the Joe Carter three run shot.

2339
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: All Right, I don't watch baseball, so I don't know

2340
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: much about that, but I will take you either.

2341
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 3: But back then, I loved baseball, Like I was a

2342
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 3: baseball fanatic from like a like five to like eleven.

2343
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 3: And that happened during that time, so like that I

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Speaker 3: was screaming. I woke my sister up, like I was like,

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Speaker 3: that's about as much elation as I've ever felt from

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Speaker 3: a moment in sports.

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Speaker 1: All Right, question number nine, we're almost done here. What's

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Speaker 1: the best boxing match You've ever seen?

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Speaker 3: Best boxing match I've ever seen? I'd have to say

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Speaker 3: Jake Paul versus Nate Diez. I really, I really, I

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Speaker 3: really hope you know I was all right, I really

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Speaker 3: hope you know I was joking there.

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Speaker 2: Best boxing match I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this could be Tyson, it could be anything

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Speaker 1: you see saw on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember which, which Gaddy I watched, but probably

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Speaker 3: Gaddy Ward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean does it matter. They're all good time.

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Speaker 3: I remember which of them it is, but like it's

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Speaker 3: one of them.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. So this is one question

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Speaker 1: in five, but it's a speed round. So you just

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Speaker 1: got to give me an answer. Okay, Metallica or Guns n'

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Speaker 1: Roses Metallica? Correct answer? Hot dogs are Hamburgers.

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Speaker 2: Hamburgers have more versatility. I'll go Hamburgers.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're two for two. Here we go, and this

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Speaker 1: is tough. Just regular fries or poutine?

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Speaker 2: Oh poutine?

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Speaker 1: Wrong answer? Poutine overrated as shit f one or Nascar.

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Speaker 2: I don't really have an affinity for either. To be honest,

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Speaker 2: I'd say F one. I don't watch it, so I

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Speaker 2: think i'd enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Answer is either yeah, The answer is either F one

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Speaker 1: or nothing. And then last but not least Beyonce or

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: Probably Beyonce.

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Speaker 1: That's the correct answer as well. That is getting to

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Speaker 1: know Aaron Bronsenter, everybody getting to know him. There, Abe,

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Speaker 1: we got to get out of here one more time.

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Speaker 1: Tell folks where they can find all of your wonderful work.

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Speaker 2: It's all in one place.

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Speaker 3: Www dot Aaron dot report, links to all of my

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Speaker 3: different work, links to a link to vote in the

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Speaker 3: World Mi Awards where you should be voting for Morning

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Speaker 3: Combat for best Programming and for Aaron Bronzet or for

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Speaker 3: Best Journalists if you see that as the correct vote,

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Speaker 3: but I would encourage you to do that. And I

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Speaker 3: do a podcast every week called The TSNMMA Show.

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Speaker 2: It's either one or two episodes. Sometimes I separate my

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Speaker 2: weekly interviews.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to see all of the interviews

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Speaker 3: that I do, or listen to all of the interviews

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Speaker 3: that I do, rather, the TSNMMA Show has you covered

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Speaker 3: all in one place.

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Speaker 2: So that's where you can find all my work.

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Speaker 1: There it is, and of course a reminder at everyone.

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Speaker 1: Showtime dot com is the label that pays Showtime dot

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Speaker 1: com three today free trive you'd like, you can keep it.

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Speaker 1: If now you can bounce, you can go to Morningcombat

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Speaker 1: dot store for all of the merch. You can reach

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Speaker 1: the show Morningcombat at gmail dot com and last but

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Speaker 1: not least, WORLDMMA Awards dot Com. World MMA Awards dot

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Speaker 1: Com you can vote for Morningcombat for Best MMA Programming

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Speaker 1: and you can vote for that gentleman Aaron bron Setter

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Speaker 1: for Journalist of the Year. Aaron, we got to get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: For Aaron, I'm Luke. Thanks to CBS Sports and everyone

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Speaker 1: involved in the Florida Officer who got the show going

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Speaker 1: today as well as Showtime and Malka in the whole

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Speaker 1: nine yards. We're done. We'll see you guys later this week,

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Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal,

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Speaker 1: representing great one bold CBS Reality Titans to Rookies have

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Speaker 1: no idea what's in store for.

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Speaker 2: The Battle it Out with Legends of the Challenge franchise.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back in there and recap it.

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Speaker 1: Who has what it takes to make Challenge history.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you won seven times. I'm winning today.

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Speaker 1: The Challenge USAY new season Thursday on the CBS