Speaker 1: My guest today is actress, singer, and podcast host Jana Kramer.
Speaker 1: We dive into a deep conversation about past relationships, co parenting,
Speaker 1: and more. Jana's new book, The Next Chapter, Making Peace
Speaker 1: with Hard Memories, Finding Hope All Around Me and Clearing
Speaker 1: Space for Good Things to Come, comes out in October
Speaker 1: twenty fourth and is available for pre order. Now, this
Speaker 1: is just be with Jana Kramer. Let's get into it. Hi,
Speaker 1: Hi lady, how are you? I'm good? How are you wonderful?
Speaker 1: So that is your podcast setup? It's beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's a little messy now that I'm looking at it,
Speaker 2: but thanks girl.
Speaker 1: Are you in La? No?
Speaker 2: I just moved into a new house in Nashville. How
Speaker 2: is Nashville? I love it, I really do. I've been
Speaker 2: here now, let's see four years, and it's great.
Speaker 1: Is it like a mini La? Now?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's becoming that way really like that's almost everybody
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood is from California. But I will say
Speaker 2: the good piece of that is they're bringing in really
Speaker 2: good restaurants and they're they're having to up their Southern
Speaker 2: game a little bit.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So okay, so the first interaction besides Friday Night
Speaker 1: Lights that I've had with you was I think I
Speaker 1: commented on something on a post and you commented back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're friends now, Like I remember, like
Speaker 1: or then you followed me. I followed you, and that
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago. It was like surrounding
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler and I don't know what I commented, but
Speaker 1: there was like an interaction that we had and you
Speaker 1: were on my radar and I then connected, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's the girl from Friday Night Lights, which I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with my daughter. I got her into it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the greatest shows ever.
Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite shows I've ever done,
Speaker 2: and it was it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: because a lot of times it's shows you know there,
Speaker 2: they'll be like, well, here's your mark, you have to
Speaker 2: hit your mark. And I remember the first time I
Speaker 2: went on set, they're like, all right, action, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but we didn't rehearse and we didn't, like, where's my
Speaker 2: mark and they're.
Speaker 3: Like, just just go and I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Like it was the coolest thing because it was wait,
Speaker 2: what is it mark?
Speaker 1: The physical mark? What do you mean hit my mark?
Speaker 2: What's there's like a t in acting where you have
Speaker 2: to do camera blocking and then you know the things,
Speaker 2: and then you have to hit literally your mark so
Speaker 2: the camera can get you. But in frint night lights,
Speaker 2: they're all on the handheld, so they'll they'll get you
Speaker 2: wherever you stand.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, but that's funny that that's a thing. Where's
Speaker 1: my mark? I never I see I know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about when we do photoshoots, but I didn't literally
Speaker 1: know you meant oh funny. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: such an excellent show. Yeah, whose show was it? Peter
Speaker 1: Berg's exactly? I just watched his. Uh his show on
Speaker 1: on opioids was crazy, same killer. That was insane, insane.
Speaker 1: I'm so angry about I know because I'm like that person.
Speaker 1: They kept blaming the addicts, so I'm like, he wasn't
Speaker 1: an addict. He hurt his back and then he became
Speaker 1: an addict and they paid like a billion dollars over time.
Speaker 1: They didn't even feel a mark's And he must be
Speaker 1: angry and he must have a personal association to it
Speaker 1: because it was a very personal show. What was that
Speaker 1: that wasn't on Netflix? Where was the Hulu.
Speaker 2: I think it was Netflix, and then Taylor Kitch was
Speaker 2: also in it, who was Frid. He always uses Taylor
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, yeah with Peter, Yeah, he uses him
Speaker 2: in a lot of his stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, were you did you when you
Speaker 1: were on set with him? Did you die?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Was he as gorgeous then to you as he was
Speaker 1: to me? He was so cool?
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: We became like very like Broie where when we first
Speaker 2: met we would play volleyball after set. There was like
Speaker 2: this really cool volleyball outdoor sand volleyball thing that we'd
Speaker 2: all go to.
Speaker 1: So he was awesome, I would say as an adult,
Speaker 1: like as a kid, it was Matt Dillan as an
Speaker 1: adult like he was my guy, Like that was the
Speaker 1: one that was the one that hurt was painful? Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was reading your bio and I was shocked
Speaker 1: by all of the things that you've been through, all
Speaker 1: of like this circuitous route to yes, your career, but
Speaker 1: your personal life, like you really have been through a journey.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about what your childhood was like,
Speaker 1: like where you grew up and how you grew up
Speaker 1: because I was just thinking about your choices you reflecting
Speaker 1: the mistakes I've been in many relationships like you, and
Speaker 1: I feel self conscious about it. Sometimes I was wondering
Speaker 1: if you feel self conscious about it. I was just
Speaker 1: thinking about this, this relationship and personal life journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's when I've sat down. Obviously, in therapy, you
Speaker 2: go back and you go to your childhood wounds and
Speaker 2: your traumas and you think back, Okay, when did this start?
Speaker 2: Where was my first belief? And it was when I
Speaker 2: was six and it was I'm not enough. And so
Speaker 2: what happened was is unfortunately that came from my dad,
Speaker 2: and because it was my dad, from those years on,
Speaker 2: I was always trying to get the approval of a man.
Speaker 2: You know, he ended up cheating on my mom, which
Speaker 2: then he left the house, and so I was always
Speaker 2: finding at that time too an older man. But I
Speaker 2: always wanted them to say you're enough and I love you.
Speaker 2: But those are the guys that were never going to
Speaker 2: tell me that I was enough and that they loved me.
Speaker 2: So I just kept picking those kind of men to
Speaker 2: be like, choose me, love me, pick me, because I
Speaker 2: didn't get that.
Speaker 1: And now that you're going to change them, because you
Speaker 1: want to change your dad that you're going to be
Speaker 1: the one that's going to make them different.
Speaker 2: Right, Like he's not like try to get him to
Speaker 2: stay like my dad left me, even though you know,
Speaker 2: when you're older, you kind of look at it in
Speaker 2: a bigger, broader stance.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's I see now that my dad was just
Speaker 2: doing the best that he could. And I get all that,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't help the little girl and me that
Speaker 2: still was fighting for love and fighting for attention and
Speaker 2: fighting to be chosen. And yeah, taking these men that
Speaker 2: are just you know, weren't available, and didn't you know
Speaker 2: they would just give me little pieces of themselves of
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, well, no, love me, love me,
Speaker 2: choose me, pick me. And then when they did, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: I don't even want that person.
Speaker 1: But you just said something that I have said until recently,
Speaker 1: and I stopped saying. You just said he did the
Speaker 1: best that he could. And I always used to say
Speaker 1: that about my mother who had me at twenty and like,
Speaker 1: it's like this lot thing that I just say. And
Speaker 1: I thought the other night it was actually weird. It
Speaker 1: was related to the Danny Masterson thing, which reminded me
Speaker 1: of a lot of the abuse in my childhood and
Speaker 1: I ended up going and spinning out and going in
Speaker 1: a different direction and an abuse I had in a relationship,
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, the way I was raised
Speaker 1: was despicable. And I thought to myself, I always say
Speaker 1: they did the best they could, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that's actually true. So do you really think that your
Speaker 1: dad did the best that he could. So I don't
Speaker 1: know the whole situation. I'm just asking because it was interesting.
Speaker 1: You just said that thing that I always say, and
Speaker 1: I stopped saying it because I don't know if I
Speaker 1: think it's true.
Speaker 2: For a long time, no, I would say that he didn't.
Speaker 2: And again, I grew up in a very angry household.
Speaker 2: My dad was always yelling, My parents were always fighting.
Speaker 2: He was he had some massive anger issues, and my
Speaker 2: brother got most of that physical, but I saw it.
Speaker 2: My mom stayed in it, and it was just that
Speaker 2: kind of household. And when I look at it, I
Speaker 2: from a bigger place, I go, Okay, what was his upbringing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Well, my grandpa was a very tough German Man. He
Speaker 2: was very hard on my dad. He was most likely
Speaker 2: physical as well. And I think back then, like our generation,
Speaker 2: like we know boundaries and we go to therapy, and
Speaker 2: I don't think that. Yes, I mean, I know therapy
Speaker 2: was available then, but I think as a man back
Speaker 2: then in that day, that would have been yes. Could
Speaker 2: Would I have love for him to go to therapy?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: But I think I do believe he was doing the
Speaker 2: best that he could because I don't think therapy was
Speaker 2: a very right acceptable thing back then.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you just it wasn't. There wasn't also,
Speaker 1: quote unquote the conversation in society. It wasn't a conversation
Speaker 1: about what we're People weren't indulging themselves by thinking about
Speaker 1: what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong. It
Speaker 1: was called, oh, smoke a cigarette while you're pregnant, open
Speaker 1: the door, let the kids at the back, and pray
Speaker 1: for the best. Yeah pretty much. Yeah, So I get that.
Speaker 1: I get that. It's just funny because I say that,
Speaker 1: I still yeah, I just think it's an interesting thing
Speaker 1: to think about if people are doing the best that
Speaker 1: they can. But yeah, people weren't self aware or reflecting.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't, like I said, the conversation right.
Speaker 2: And I for so long, I mean, all my twenties
Speaker 2: I just blamed him for every problem I had. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: you're the reason that I picked cheers, You're the reason
Speaker 2: I pick abusers, You're the reason I do this, and
Speaker 2: his head spinning because you know, again, I think and
Speaker 2: my dad and I just had this conversation because we're
Speaker 2: good now. He's so anxiously attached and he's like trying
Speaker 2: to make up for lost time, and I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 2: you just like So He's like, well, it's anxious attachment,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you gotta let me breathe for a second,
Speaker 2: Like stop asking me about my middle school boyfriend. I
Speaker 2: had no idea what happened to him, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's just trying.
Speaker 1: So hard to be evolved and like do the cram
Speaker 1: course to being evolved?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like you can, we can sit
Speaker 2: here and we're we are okay, you know. And I
Speaker 2: just like your kids, Yes, I accept them. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing. Like I loved my grandpa, his dad, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want my kids to have a relationship
Speaker 2: with their grandpa. And you know, does does my mom
Speaker 2: do it perfectly every day? No? But I have my
Speaker 2: own boundaries around my parents now, and I just kind
Speaker 2: of accept them for who they are because I can't
Speaker 2: change them at this stage, and I don't see them
Speaker 2: going to therapy. So it's like I either have them
Speaker 2: in my life in my kid's life, or I hold
Speaker 2: on to stuff and I just don't want to hold
Speaker 2: on it into anything that feels more weighted in today's
Speaker 2: already weighted world.
Speaker 1: And I think the dynamic of you controlling the boundaries
Speaker 1: with kids is a really interesting thing. It kind of
Speaker 1: gives you power, gives us power with our parents to
Speaker 1: be able to raise us the things that they thought
Speaker 1: were okay for them to say and do with us
Speaker 1: that we will create the boundaries that it's not acceptable
Speaker 1: and that will not be discussed in this house in
Speaker 1: front of my kid, because this is my path, you
Speaker 1: know for sure.
Speaker 2: Like my mom and I got into one thing one
Speaker 2: time because she said she was gonna, you know, bake
Speaker 2: cookies with my daughter and stay for a certain amount
Speaker 2: of time, while she ended up leaving early, and that
Speaker 2: was a huge trigger for me. I was like, you
Speaker 2: can lie to me or not tell me or change plans,
Speaker 2: but you don't get to do that to my daughter,
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't get to feel that disappointment, like, because
Speaker 2: now she's going to feel what did I do wrong
Speaker 2: for Nana to leave early?
Speaker 3: Mmm?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Right, was like you've done that?
Speaker 2: It was at times, right, you've just changed your plan
Speaker 2: and whatever. But it is it affects.
Speaker 1: No, I mean you yourself have experienced your mom a
Speaker 1: million times, yes, exactly, and I'm like, it's affected me.
Speaker 2: You don't get to have that affect my daughter. So
Speaker 2: from now on, we don't say how long you're here
Speaker 2: because you might change your mind. And that's okay if
Speaker 2: you change your mind, but you don't get to tell
Speaker 2: her how long you're here.
Speaker 3: Mmmm.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Wow, So you have three kids now?
Speaker 2: So I've got my almost eight year old daughter, almost
Speaker 2: five year old son, and then my fiance and are
Speaker 2: expecting we're do in November.
Speaker 1: So how is the co parenting, the blending, what's the
Speaker 1: dynamic like the back and forth? How does how's that
Speaker 1: working for you?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot, But being pregnant and having
Speaker 1: a new marriage, it was, I mean, the first two
Speaker 1: years post divorce were really I'll say like the first
Speaker 1: year was really tough parenting with him because I was
Speaker 1: still taking all the baggage and toxicity that we had,
Speaker 1: and the anger and the resentment, and every time we talk,
Speaker 1: like every time I'd see his phone come up. I
Speaker 1: mean I even had he was labeled not healthy on
Speaker 1: my phone and or it would be changed to a
Speaker 1: whole one day, or just you know, I was just
Speaker 1: so angry. And then we kind of joked one time,
Speaker 1: I go, hey, you got your name back on my phone,
Speaker 1: just like you're just Mike now Mike's c on my phone.
Speaker 1: But what we've come to now in this past year
Speaker 1: is realizing that we have a new relationship now. So
Speaker 1: we have our past, our old marriage that was not great,
Speaker 1: but we have to leave that away and this is
Speaker 1: now our new relationship, and how does that look? You know,
Speaker 1: and we have to leave the resentments and all the
Speaker 1: stuff behind. We might still get triggered, and we both
Speaker 1: still do because I'll say something or he'll say something
Speaker 1: and that might trigger something from our past. But we
Speaker 1: are now trying to create this new relationship and seeing
Speaker 1: what that looks like. And we've done a really good
Speaker 1: job so far. And I'm proud of how far we've
Speaker 1: come considering all the crap that we went through together.
Speaker 1: That's really healthy and it's early in the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have to say, for you know, he maybe he
Speaker 1: was doing the best that he could, because it sounds
Speaker 1: like pretty evolved for what I've read about you know
Speaker 1: what I read about today, I was like, Wow, you've
Speaker 1: been through a lot a lot of abuse, a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, mental torture, and that sounds really healthy
Speaker 1: and really amazing. That's the ultimate goal.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is like, I love my kids
Speaker 2: more than I hate my ex. And I know people
Speaker 2: have said that before, but that is that is the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I was Remember, I love my kids
Speaker 2: more than I hate my ex, and I'm like, he,
Speaker 2: I don't want him to take my joy. I don't
Speaker 2: want him to steal the beautiful things that are happening
Speaker 2: right in our life. I want him to be able.
Speaker 2: I want us to be able to be in the
Speaker 2: same room, because I remember my parents couldn't be in
Speaker 2: the same room and I hated that it gave him
Speaker 2: anxiety and I didn't like it. So I would love
Speaker 2: for the fact that. So last year, I invited him
Speaker 2: for the first time to a birthday party, like would
Speaker 2: you like to come? Because I'm like, I think it'd
Speaker 2: be good for the kids. I can set my own
Speaker 2: stuff aside for our children. And I think that seed
Speaker 2: planted and it just is now kind of growing that
Speaker 2: there's more things that we're doing together as a family.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's listen. I could harp and I did
Speaker 2: for a long time. I mean I harped about it
Speaker 2: when we were married, all the stuff he did wrong,
Speaker 2: all the things you know at post marriage. And I
Speaker 2: just don't want the I don't want the hate. I
Speaker 2: don't like I don't like the negative energy. I just
Speaker 2: really don't want it because I'm like, it's not good
Speaker 2: for me, it's not good for my body, it's not
Speaker 2: good for anything like it. I'm like, why, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he did what he did. I did what I did.
Speaker 2: Now let's just can we just please be happy? And
Speaker 2: like I would love for him to be happy and
Speaker 2: move on.
Speaker 1: And so I just say, holding on to anger is
Speaker 1: like drinking poison and hoping the other person does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just because I've seen people like I know
Speaker 2: people that are in that terrible divorce and they're just
Speaker 2: they hate each other and they have to drop off
Speaker 2: in you know, parking lots and and that's what works
Speaker 2: for them. But I'm like, I just don't want that energy.
Speaker 2: I can't, like I physically don't want to hold that
Speaker 2: much hatred for someone.
Speaker 1: It's it's the worst thing I did. I've done it
Speaker 1: for over a decade. It's it's a very bad thing.
Speaker 1: Two people have to be willing to uh be that evolved.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like your ex is evolving as a
Speaker 1: as a person, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is like I could hate him
Speaker 2: for everything he's done for the rest of my life,
Speaker 2: and I have every reason to hate him forever, but like,
Speaker 2: why would I want to hold onto that? Like what
Speaker 2: is the purpose?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just remembering you went on Red Table Talk
Speaker 1: and you talked about being cheated on. I think it
Speaker 1: was thirteen times, like I was the first time, you know,
Speaker 1: like I forgot that that was even you. Like I
Speaker 1: remember the story, if that makes any sense. I remember
Speaker 1: the story and it was Red Table Talk, but it
Speaker 1: was probably in like the background in my periphery, and
Speaker 1: like today I was reading, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was her? What the hell? Like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting it is about people that we choose, Like it
Speaker 1: really is because I had, like I said, I had
Speaker 1: a very very abusive childhood and have seen everything. But
Speaker 1: I've always, i think, been proactive about how to choose
Speaker 1: because I don't think I could have. I could have
Speaker 1: never handled that. I don't know how you handle that.
Speaker 1: And even once many people would leave, but like you
Speaker 1: definitely didn't think you deserved better.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, like that's the thing. Like, and I've
Speaker 2: had this realization. It was about I don't know, a
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago, someone you know, the people ask me
Speaker 2: about my fiance and they're like, what's different, and I said,
Speaker 2: he just respects me so much, and I stopped in
Speaker 2: my tracks, going oh, because for the first time, I
Speaker 2: actually am demanding respect, Like I actually believe that I
Speaker 2: deserve respect, because when my ex cheated on me when
Speaker 2: we were just dating.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's okay.
Speaker 3: We all make mistakes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you know what I mean, Like if
Speaker 1: someone were to cheat and I'd be like, bye, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you don't see the worth and what we have and
Speaker 1: you know, but I know my worth now and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I would never because now I know that
Speaker 1: I deserve respect. I deserve to be with someone that
Speaker 1: chooses me and wants me and loves me and all
Speaker 1: those things. But I didn't think that the last thirty years.
Speaker 1: So what do you say to women who are attracted
Speaker 1: to what they say is the bad boy or the
Speaker 1: person who's cheated or cheated once or they want to forgive,
Speaker 1: like is somebody always cheat? Or like, what is your
Speaker 1: advice to those people?
Speaker 2: For me, it's what's the message that you're carrying around
Speaker 2: the things that you deserve to be with someone like that?
Speaker 2: Because when I was going through my healing work at
Speaker 2: this retreat center, I didn't realize how much shame I
Speaker 2: was carrying all the messages that I've been told to
Speaker 2: that I've been told from other people that I carried
Speaker 2: in war.
Speaker 3: So not enough.
Speaker 2: I deserve abuse, you know, I'm not this, that or
Speaker 2: the other, And so I just constantly kept picking that.
Speaker 2: So I think there's and people that might be like, no,
Speaker 2: I deserve this, that and the other. I really don't
Speaker 2: think someone would stay with someone if they didn't have
Speaker 2: something in themselves that said something opposite.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, well, you're right, because I wrote
Speaker 1: about I wrote never settle for less than what you deserve,
Speaker 1: But many people subconsciously think that's what they deserve, so
Speaker 1: they're not really the baseline has to be this is
Speaker 1: what I deserve. I'm establishing that and I won't accept
Speaker 1: less than that, even like in business, in anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be degraded in any kind of way,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's very powerful when someone speaks to
Speaker 1: you a certain way and you say, I am uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with the way you're speaking to me. I don't accept that.
Speaker 1: It goes it leads into every moment of a day,
Speaker 1: not just in the macro person, the way they're cheating
Speaker 1: on you, the way they're treating you, the way they're
Speaker 1: canceling on you, the way they're you know, just energetic.
Speaker 1: Also it's with family members too, like to just not
Speaker 1: accept less than what you deserve and to make sure
Speaker 1: that the bar for what you deserve is high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to give yourself it's also it's it's hard,
Speaker 2: I mean, how many years have you been spoken this
Speaker 2: certain message that you've believed about yourself? So you have
Speaker 2: to now think, Like I still have days where I
Speaker 2: struggle with the season that I'm in right now. My
Speaker 2: work is I don't know if I deserve the goodness
Speaker 2: because I've never like when's the next shoe dropping? When
Speaker 2: is when it feels uncomfortable. That's how it feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: And also it can be boring if you're used to
Speaker 2: having a roller coaster life, it can be boring. And
Speaker 2: a relationship when it really settles into just being good
Speaker 2: and solid can be boring. And it's weird if you
Speaker 2: grew up like I grew up with action and gambling
Speaker 2: and alcohol and drugs and cheating and beating and cops coming,
Speaker 2: and so it's something you have to intervene in in
Speaker 2: your own life to just accept.
Speaker 1: Like I deserve peace. Yeah, yeah, and it can be safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. Yes, he's a hurricane coming. Where's it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I kept saying, I go, I must be dying because
Speaker 2: I met an amazing man. I've you know, moving into
Speaker 2: a beautiful house like this, I have something, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like my death wish is coming?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like, so it's a weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think of yourself more as a country music
Speaker 1: singer or as an actress? Like or equally both? Like
Speaker 1: what as you are? I would say actress.
Speaker 2: That's what it started in because One Tree Hill was
Speaker 2: kind of what led me into country music, and now
Speaker 2: I just do music for fun and just kind of
Speaker 2: a therapy tool and just to kind of keep things spinning.
Speaker 2: And I do like writing and singing, but acting is
Speaker 2: my is my number one. I'd love to get back
Speaker 2: on a show that runs for years and years. That's
Speaker 2: the dream.
Speaker 1: That's the dream because it's consistent and solid. It's like,
Speaker 1: you just know, I'm not very much like I want
Speaker 1: to provide for my family. So I keep telling where
Speaker 1: most actors don't think it. Procedural is is creative enough.
Speaker 2: I'm like, get me on a procedural that runs for
Speaker 2: twenty years like I want it. I need to provide
Speaker 2: for my children. I had like a study job, you know.
Speaker 2: So I get that.
Speaker 1: That's why Kelly Rippa wanted to do the show. She
Speaker 1: wanted to just know that every day she knew where
Speaker 1: she was going to be. And what part does religion
Speaker 1: play in your life?
Speaker 2: You know that that's a tough piece because again I've
Speaker 2: always gone to well, I grew up not in a
Speaker 2: we said grace, but it was something that was recited.
Speaker 1: I don't even know the you know, God is good,
Speaker 1: God is great, lest thing for a food that was
Speaker 1: it like nothing was taken to heart with it. We
Speaker 1: didn't go to church besides like once a year, and
Speaker 1: for me, I always went to well, how why would
Speaker 1: I pray to a father when a father leaves? So
Speaker 1: that was my big thing. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: he's just going to abandon me. He's just gonna leave.
Speaker 2: I'm probably not good enough for him anyways, or I've
Speaker 2: messed up here, I'm and it was.
Speaker 3: It took me.
Speaker 2: It took till my divorce that I really was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm alone, Like I'm just I am straight up alone,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be. I know he's there.
Speaker 2: So it was I started a relationship with him post divorce,
Speaker 2: and it was one of the best things for me
Speaker 2: because I realized he was always there, he was just
Speaker 2: waiting for me to let him in.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's powerful. That's almost like the good man
Speaker 1: in your life waiting for you to let them in.
Speaker 1: Why get married again?
Speaker 2: Legally married girl, I'm just like a glutton for punishment.
Speaker 3: No I, no I.
Speaker 2: I First of all, I love this man so much,
Speaker 2: and he's the guy that I everything I wrote about
Speaker 2: I wrote like in my Bible, like the man, I'm like,
Speaker 2: please just send me this man. And it's every single
Speaker 2: check mark that it's like what I wrote in my
Speaker 2: bible about him. And for me personally, well, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously when you look at Wikipedia. My first time, I
Speaker 2: didn't even know the guy. I went to Vegas. I
Speaker 2: was nineteen years old, and I'm not making excuses. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's another one was we were
Speaker 2: married for one week, you know, I really that was
Speaker 2: That was the one of the ones where I was like,
Speaker 2: love me, love me, And then when I was walking
Speaker 2: down the aisle, I was like, wait, I don't love
Speaker 2: you like this is this wasn't one I was chasing you,
Speaker 2: and I don't this isn't what I want. I don't
Speaker 2: want to have kids, you know, I don't want a
Speaker 2: broken family. So for me, I only feel like I've
Speaker 2: been married, true, because truly the other ones were a
Speaker 2: week and you know, two weeks, and so Mike was
Speaker 2: my only marriage, like we fought hard for seven years,
Speaker 2: like that was a marriage. And but with Alan, like
Speaker 2: I just he's I just want to I want to
Speaker 2: marry him. I want him, I want our family to
Speaker 2: be together. I want everything that I that I dreamt about,
Speaker 2: and with him, it just feels like the right thing
Speaker 2: to do. I said I wouldn't again. I said, there's
Speaker 2: no way I'll change my name again. I won't get married.
Speaker 2: But with him, it's He's the only one I've ever
Speaker 2: wanted to walk down the aisle to. And it makes
Speaker 2: me sad. I'm like, I wish I saved that for you,
Speaker 2: because that's what I love.
Speaker 1: I get that. I get that. And what's the state
Speaker 1: of your career now, Like, what are you the most
Speaker 1: passionate about, what are you working on? What do you
Speaker 1: want to be when.
Speaker 3: You grow up?
Speaker 2: Well, almost forty, So what I want obviously, I want
Speaker 2: this baby to come out healthy and enjoy the holidays
Speaker 2: with the baby, and then next year I would just
Speaker 2: love to be able again to just get on a
Speaker 2: show and support my children and you know, be a
Speaker 2: working mom, but be the best mom that I can
Speaker 2: be as well, So be on a show, and then
Speaker 2: you know, I have the book coming out in October,
Speaker 2: the next chapter and be able to just do everything
Speaker 2: that I love. I don't like to I always say,
Speaker 2: people always put me in a box. Well I was
Speaker 2: the one putting myself in a box. So now I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want to do it all. I want to you
Speaker 2: know have I love doing my wind down podcasts. I
Speaker 2: like writing, I like singing, I like acting. So it's
Speaker 2: just putting and and you know and acting the things
Speaker 2: off that are weighing me down. And would you move
Speaker 2: back to la to do a show because it feels
Speaker 2: like that sounds stressful having a new baby and a
Speaker 2: you know, a partner. And does he have to be
Speaker 2: in Nashville or so he's a he's a professional soccer coach,
Speaker 2: so he'll be traveling too. And for me, I think
Speaker 2: you can make I will I never never. I never
Speaker 2: say never never, you know, I never say never. And
Speaker 2: so if it takes me somewhere amazing, that just means
Speaker 2: a new experience for the family. So I'm he's so
Speaker 2: good with that. Yeah, and and yeah, because he'll be
Speaker 2: he'll be traveling too.
Speaker 1: So I invested in a women's the women's soccer league,
Speaker 1: the the Bass anyone who, Yeah, Cheryl Samberg just joined
Speaker 1: on several months back. And it's a big it's a
Speaker 1: big world, this this women in soccer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of suffer around them, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys need a coach Alan Russell.
Speaker 1: He's a good one, all right. Nice.
Speaker 2: What about well, your kids into soccer? Yeah, they love
Speaker 2: it and he's okay, so sweet helping them. So what
Speaker 2: about the the leggings a pregnant thing? Like I read
Speaker 2: that you can't live without your leggings, and it sounds
Speaker 2: like a superficial question, but I'm not. I have leggings
Speaker 2: and I'll wear them once in a while, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a leggings person because I feel like they
Speaker 2: trap me. So I want to understand. And the only
Speaker 2: ones that didn't were beyond leggings because there's the breath
Speaker 2: beyond yoga. These are the beyond yoga ones. Oh, Jody
Speaker 2: Goober owns the company. I used to be friends with her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so these are these are the only ones that I'll
Speaker 2: wear is beyond yoga. And that's what these are because
Speaker 2: they're just super people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because and I like the over the bump too, so
Speaker 2: and they can't see if some wearing black. But I'm
Speaker 2: working out right after this, which is also why I'm
Speaker 2: in leggings. But it's it's a little chilly today in Nashville.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I have got a couple of pairs,
Speaker 2: but I'm not like I like sweatshirts like I do.
Speaker 3: Like to be cozy. Yeah, I like the whole match.
Speaker 1: Are you you've been exercising the whole pregnancy. How is
Speaker 1: your pregnancy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been working out and uh, it's fine, you know, girl,
Speaker 2: I'm just older, so everything's a little harder, you know,
Speaker 2: And everything's just the gravity and the veins down there.
Speaker 2: I'm like, babe, don't don't look past the belly button.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like I don't like it.
Speaker 1: So will he be in the room?
Speaker 2: Oh, one million percent. He's like my anxiety blanket. He's
Speaker 2: so good with me because I go to, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I don't like to not feel my legs
Speaker 2: for the epidural. So but he's just he's we're already
Speaker 2: working on our breathing like he's he's the best.
Speaker 1: But he'll be up there, not down there.
Speaker 3: Oh up, up, up up.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be down there.
Speaker 2: Yeh, Because I mean I'm having I'm having the C section,
Speaker 2: so oh okay.
Speaker 1: I had one too. And then where were you a waitress?
Speaker 1: That's the weirdest last question, but I want to where
Speaker 1: you were a waitress girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Where wasn't I a waitress?
Speaker 1: So I started.
Speaker 2: I started at Greek Island and then I went to
Speaker 2: TGI Fridays, and then I went to Macaroni Grill, and
Speaker 2: then I went to Joe's Crabshot because I wanted to
Speaker 2: dance and I thought it was cute because they do
Speaker 2: all like the like dance things. And then I was
Speaker 2: a waitress at the time w Times Square when I
Speaker 2: was eighteen. And then I was a waitress at the
Speaker 2: Grove at the wood Ranch Grill which is now closed
Speaker 2: in La I stole toilet paper from there because I
Speaker 2: didn't have any money.
Speaker 1: So was it bad quality the toilet paper? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crap. It was like, you know, the kind
Speaker 1: of like crumble, but I needed it. I didn't even care,
Speaker 1: I know, I in my past. I think in my past,
Speaker 1: like being in a cheap apartment, I'd been like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you are at a toilet paper and it's just convenient.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have afforded the eighty eight cents
Speaker 1: for toy, but it was convenient probably just to stick
Speaker 1: it in your purse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: And I was in the red all twenties, so it
Speaker 2: was yeah, that or cotton balls, which is gross. But
Speaker 2: and then let's see what else after wood Ranch I did.
Speaker 2: I got fired at Pach's because I didn't know how
Speaker 2: to open a wine bottle, which is ironic because now.
Speaker 1: Wait, Patcha was your first one that was fancy. All
Speaker 1: the rest are like very chain restaurant. Patcha is like
Speaker 1: an automation for you. And I got fired because you
Speaker 1: don't to open a wine bottle. Yeah, I'm like, jokes
Speaker 1: on you, buddy, I'm a pro.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: And what was the first gig that you got?
Speaker 2: Click with Adam Sandler. That's a big gig to get
Speaker 2: as your first gig. He was amazing.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I went out to audition for his daughter and it
Speaker 2: was between me and Katie Cassidy and the little girl.
Speaker 2: He brought me into his office and met him and
Speaker 2: he was fantastic Adam Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you know Adam Sandler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the coolest dude ever. I'm sure I don't
Speaker 2: know if he remembers me, although he did leave me
Speaker 2: a voice message like when I was at the top
Speaker 2: of the charts and country music about like, oh my
Speaker 2: kids love your music and it was supercab. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was like the nicest dude ever. But yeah, then he
Speaker 2: he himself personally called him, called me and said, hey,
Speaker 2: so the girl that the little girl, my little daughter
Speaker 2: in the movie has blonde hair. So we're going to
Speaker 2: go with Katie, but I'm going to find you apart
Speaker 2: because I really like you and you're great, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: he gave me it was a smaller role, but I
Speaker 2: didn't even care.
Speaker 1: I was just like, that's amazing, I'll do catering.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like that was your first ever time, like on a
Speaker 1: real set. Yeah, and then what was after that.
Speaker 3: Prom night?
Speaker 1: So you working like you always? Like, how long after
Speaker 1: starting did you like get work?
Speaker 2: It wasn't until One Tree Hill that I stayed out
Speaker 2: of the Red like I would be I would have
Speaker 2: to get a job, and then it could I'd be like,
Speaker 2: oh shoot, I'm back in the Red, back to waitressing.
Speaker 2: And then One Tree Hill is when the constant when
Speaker 2: I when I started to like really work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to. I used to be a PA
Speaker 1: on Saved by the Bell and I met Lea Remeni
Speaker 1: and she I thought she was rich because she was
Speaker 1: on a couple of guest episodes on Saved by the Bell,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget. I feel like we were eating
Speaker 1: in her car for some reason that's like really resonating,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I thought you rich, And she said, well,
Speaker 1: if like eating tacos in the back of your car
Speaker 1: is rich or something, I shill never forget like having
Speaker 1: an interaction with her because I thought, if you were
Speaker 1: on camera you were rich.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, you know, it's like crazy being rich and being
Speaker 1: on TV or not the same thing as I'm sure
Speaker 1: the strike is proving. Yeah, and like when you go
Speaker 1: on tour, everyone thought because I was, I'd open for
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton and all these big people for you know,
Speaker 1: three months at a time, and oh, you must have
Speaker 1: so much money, and like I am actually negative about
Speaker 1: one hundred grand because of how much it costs to
Speaker 1: be on a tour, oh tour bus and pay for
Speaker 1: gas and the band members and I'm only getting paid
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred bucks a night, so all that and
Speaker 1: that's kind of marvelous, Miss masl Like that show is
Speaker 1: kind of about that, Like she's like famous, but she's
Speaker 1: not making any money. And yeah, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: really get treated a certain way until you really hit it.
Speaker 1: Like if I tell my daughter that I was on
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, because if One Tree Hill and
Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights, we still watch One Tree Hill all
Speaker 1: the time like it's beyond it holds up. Great show?
Speaker 1: That really up. They did a show. Hold up, they
Speaker 1: both hold up. What was your rose and your thorn
Speaker 1: of your career? I rose in my thorn. That's a
Speaker 1: good one. Uh, I would say.
Speaker 2: My thorn was this movie I did called The Return
Speaker 2: of the Living Dead, and I had to have I
Speaker 2: wrote about it in the next chapter two. It is
Speaker 2: the first time I ever had a panic attack. But
Speaker 2: I had to get my appendix taken out in Romania.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't They took out the wrong They took
Speaker 2: out the wrong organ. Wait in the movie, no, like
Speaker 2: in real life? What because that sounds like something would
Speaker 2: happen in Return of the Living Dead, I know. And
Speaker 2: then like I know, they put the wrong they put
Speaker 2: somebody else's organ in your body and then you live
Speaker 2: but you're dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like a great plot.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: So I wrote about that in the book and it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was that was appendix taken out in Romania.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did, they were It was never my
Speaker 2: appendix that was the problem was, Actually they should have
Speaker 2: taken out my gallbladder. It's it's like a whole thing
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ was experience. It sounds pretty serious, sounds like
Speaker 2: those are two important parts.
Speaker 1: You really don't need either. But I'm also like, well,
Speaker 1: why did God give it? Give them to us then
Speaker 1: if we didn't need it? But what do you have
Speaker 1: now in the body? I mean I got a uterus,
Speaker 1: I have a You don't have a gallbladder or an appendix. No,
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sound they sound important when you say them, the names,
Speaker 1: they sound important. They're like big words. Wow. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're without those? Put them in your dating profile? No,
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 3: This is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah back in the day, Yeah, mindset, I only sought
Speaker 1: the small stuff. Yours, says girl without an appendix or
Speaker 1: gall bladder? Yeah, wow, Yeah, that's I mean, it's not hysterical,
Speaker 1: but that's hysterical, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm I know, I'm not even trying to be
Speaker 2: super publicity with this one or trying to promote it,
Speaker 2: but I would say I'm just so proud of the
Speaker 2: book that I'm about to put out because everything that
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been through, it's uh, I'm proud
Speaker 2: that I actually I never thought I could write my
Speaker 2: own book, and it was very much My editors were like,
Speaker 2: you should get a ghost writer, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: need to write this myself. And that was something that
Speaker 2: I'm just really proud of.
Speaker 1: So that you should be. That's another Kelly rip of things.
Speaker 1: She wrote her whole book herself. I found it to
Speaker 1: be extremely impressive, like it's something that requires help and
Speaker 1: you did it yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just was.
Speaker 2: I think it was because my ax when we wrote
Speaker 2: our first book, he had said, well, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't write. You talk like you you type, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: well I do and that's what makes it like me
Speaker 2: and people would reallyize meaning you write like you talk
Speaker 2: like the words on the poet. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 2: and so not perfectly formed. But I just I had
Speaker 2: to prove it to myself that I could do it.
Speaker 2: And that's just kind of always been my personality too.
Speaker 2: But how long did it take a long time? No,
Speaker 2: I mean took it like two years. That sounds about
Speaker 2: write though, I mean it's not that he used to
Speaker 2: write a book. Yeah, here to write.
Speaker 1: I had a year to edit it.
Speaker 2: But I also will say it was because I went back.
Speaker 2: I was very angry when I started it, and then
Speaker 2: I went back and I go, I don't need to
Speaker 2: put that story in there. I don't need to put
Speaker 2: that in there. I don't need to put that in
Speaker 2: there that's interesting. So I went back and I edit
Speaker 2: it because I just was like, it's the father of
Speaker 2: my kids. I don't need to be telling these kind
Speaker 2: of stories. That's our past so interesting. Yeah, not everything
Speaker 2: needs to be said. I burned a whole book in
Speaker 2: the barbecue and started over when I did a place
Speaker 2: of yes, yeah, because it's just like, what is the
Speaker 2: point with that? And it's at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's not about None of these books are about any
Speaker 2: of my exes. Like I've got this one ex boyfriend
Speaker 2: that's trying to be like, oh, I was just talking
Speaker 2: about me the book, and I'm like, buddy, the book
Speaker 2: is not about you. It's nothing to You might have
Speaker 2: a little blip in my but it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with you. It's everything to do about me and
Speaker 2: like the choices that I made and the missteps and whatever.
Speaker 2: So don't try to get your pr but like no,
Speaker 2: like don't flat about you. It's not a Taylor Swift song.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: And then what is your parenting style?
Speaker 2: This is where I struggle And I actually just had
Speaker 2: therapy about this because sometimes I feel like I'm a
Speaker 2: little too hard. I didn't have the parent that pushed
Speaker 2: me to be the best version of myself. Like if
Speaker 2: I didn't want to take my essayts or my acts,
Speaker 2: or if I was a C average student, they'd be like,
Speaker 2: great job. So I never really was pushed, and so
Speaker 2: I think now I'm on the other pendulum swing of
Speaker 2: that being like work harder and you know. So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find a balance right now of being of yeah,
Speaker 2: of not being too hard, but I'm also very loving
Speaker 2: and all those things. But I just I see the
Speaker 2: potential in my children and I just want them to
Speaker 2: have all the opportunities.
Speaker 1: Are you strict?
Speaker 2: I definitely discipline, Like they're not kids that you know,
Speaker 2: every time I go to the store they get a
Speaker 2: toy or if it's something that I will take something
Speaker 2: away like I do.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: I despise And this is the biggest fight to this
Speaker 2: day that my ex and I get into. I hate technology.
Speaker 2: I don't like iPads. I don't want them to phones.
Speaker 2: I don't want any of it. I think it's bad
Speaker 2: for their little brains.
Speaker 3: Oh I know.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, they go to his house and they're
Speaker 2: watching them for six hours, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: not okay.
Speaker 1: And she's not a tech kid. My kid, she has
Speaker 1: obviously phone and she's on it. But there are some
Speaker 1: kids that are literally it's an appendage, and it does
Speaker 1: work being that way because later they're just not it's
Speaker 1: not a crutch. I know so many kids that it
Speaker 1: is an appendage, and I think it's such a turn off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate it. I don't like seeing kids.
Speaker 2: And I know parents have to do they have to
Speaker 2: do when they go to restaurants, but I'm not the
Speaker 2: parent that will at dinner. I'm like saying, talk to
Speaker 2: your kids, tell the color with them at the table,
Speaker 2: do something like that. And again I'm going to get
Speaker 2: probably so hated up for.
Speaker 1: That, but I don't think you will. But no, people
Speaker 1: feel judgment, And yes, that's fine, your choice is to
Speaker 1: not do that, but yes, I know I've It's funny
Speaker 1: because I think I had a post I was going
Speaker 1: to put up the other day and I thought, oh's
Speaker 1: that Judgey because I'm not the path of least. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. But we're not working three jobs. We're
Speaker 1: not waitressing. And I understand giving someone a device so
Speaker 1: you could just have a moment a piece that sounds
Speaker 1: really good, but it's a hard disapoint and to stick
Speaker 1: to you do.
Speaker 2: It Like I'm my mom on the plane room. I'm like,
Speaker 2: here's the flash car. You get your iPad for one
Speaker 2: hour on this four hour so the first.
Speaker 1: Hour that's serious and I'm not knowing that's serious. That's
Speaker 1: very serious. I was like that when she was younger,
Speaker 1: but getting older, I will be on the iPad the
Speaker 1: entire flight. I just that's what that was. The bridge
Speaker 1: I couldn't cross. That's yeah, that's that's very serious varsity stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's uh yeah, I just I'm like, go outside,
Speaker 1: go play. Like I loved my childhood. I love to
Speaker 1: be able to go outside. And that's just I'm always
Speaker 1: if it is, even if it's raining, I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: go do some chalk in the garage. I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it puts more on you. Apps you have to do
Speaker 1: more work too, because you're not just throwing it in
Speaker 1: front of the TV. Yeah, and wind down. I hear
Speaker 1: your podcast does really really well and that you're great
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's so fun.
Speaker 2: It's also been it's hard because I I still get no,
Speaker 2: it's not as bad, but I still get moments of
Speaker 2: anxiety when I see a headline. I'm like, that's not
Speaker 2: exactly what I said, or that's not the context of this,
Speaker 2: and so good luck. I'm fighting myself to not again.
Speaker 2: I've gotten so much better where I don't feel like
Speaker 2: I have to defend it anymore, but it still bothers
Speaker 2: me because it's I'm like, if you just listen, you'll
Speaker 2: see that wasn't my intent or I didn't mean.
Speaker 1: It like that, or but that's not an interesting headline.
Speaker 1: That's my story. Every every single day, page six writes
Speaker 1: about something I said on TikTok or Instagram, and the
Speaker 1: headline is always so like Bethany drags Tailor Swift, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't drag Tailor Swift. I just mentioned that she
Speaker 1: was on a date with a guy at a game
Speaker 1: and it looked like they had been together forever, and
Speaker 1: that women should be reminded to have their own identity.
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about like her per se. It was
Speaker 1: just a vehicle. But it's every day and you cannot
Speaker 1: kill every bug in Manhattan, so you cannot take the bait.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I just I still have this.
Speaker 2: One of my negative traits personality traits, is I want
Speaker 2: one hundred percent approval, right, So for the people that
Speaker 2: go on those US weekly things, they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: can she just shut up already?
Speaker 1: And she's so annoying, and I'm like, but but get
Speaker 1: to know me, we'd be friends.
Speaker 2: Like oh that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if you try to please everybody, you end
Speaker 1: up pleasing nobody, and you have.
Speaker 2: To have a point of view and you have to
Speaker 2: pick a side and a lane and just do it.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, as I'm nearing forty, I'm I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm giving less crap.
Speaker 1: When you get to fifty, you will give zero. Great
Speaker 1: I cannot. Yeah, for sure. I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: about that yesterday. It was so nice to talk to
Speaker 1: you and to finally get to meet you at hear
Speaker 1: a lot about you from the girls.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me on. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm like a huge fan.
Speaker 1: So im so grateful, thank you. I'm well, congratulations on
Speaker 1: the baby and your relationship and this sort of you know, chapter,
Speaker 1: the next chapter, and your book, and I wish you
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Bethany.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Jays.
Speaker 1: I have an awesome day, all right, hie girl.
Speaker 3: See ya,