Speaker 1: People say, what do you want to do after football?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean after Bob? There's
Speaker 1: nothing after football. This is what you know, I was
Speaker 1: born to do, and this is what I enjoyed doing
Speaker 1: morning and let's go. Let's go, baby, tom Brady first
Speaker 1: NFL touchdown. Tom Brady probably is never tried to engineer.
Speaker 1: It drives more improbable than this. He steps up, throws
Speaker 1: down the middle, catch made by Austin Hollie. What Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson extends to hands? He has selon quick throw and
Speaker 1: it was going to better sing toss. The White Patria
Speaker 1: joined the Super Bowl. Brady want to come back. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is a Super Bowl champion again for the record
Speaker 1: setting seventh time. The greatest player who ever lived has
Speaker 1: now retired, the buck naded quarterback and Tom Brady walks
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, probably unanimous, Probably definitely unanimously.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has ended the greatest career in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. That's coming from a Jets fan. Twenty
Speaker 1: two years, a run of dominance both statistically and as
Speaker 1: a team competitor. A guy who went to ten Super
Speaker 1: Bowls won seven of them. And boys, as we begin
Speaker 1: a very special edition of the Around the NFL Podcast
Speaker 1: and hands Us with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Greg,
Speaker 1: I think this stat kind of some things up there.
Speaker 1: You can't sum everything up with Tom Brady's career, which
Speaker 1: ended today with an official Instagram announcement with just one note,
Speaker 1: but this kind of gives you an idea. When Brady
Speaker 1: won his first super Bowl in the second NFL season,
Speaker 1: that was way back in the two thousand one in
Speaker 1: season with the Patriots, he was the youngest starting quarterback
Speaker 1: to ever win a super Bowl. When Tom Brady won
Speaker 1: his last super Bowl in the second to last season
Speaker 1: with the Bucks, he was the oldest starting quarterback to
Speaker 1: ever win a super Bowl forty three. He never gradual declined, Greg, No,
Speaker 1: he never declined in that motivation that you gave he
Speaker 1: There you go. He never declined. And I think there's
Speaker 1: so many things to look back on, but the fact
Speaker 1: that he never got old like the rest of us
Speaker 1: and every one of his peers, that's what stands out
Speaker 1: to me. Right. The last two years I think in
Speaker 1: Tampa are gonna be remembered so much because not only
Speaker 1: did it kind of you know, spiked the football on
Speaker 1: any debate over who's the greatest ever? If it wasn't
Speaker 1: decided anymore, it was setting boundaries that no one's even
Speaker 1: thought about, because his last season in New England, when
Speaker 1: they struggled down the stretch, when they lost in the
Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs, was easily the greatest season
Speaker 1: by a forty two year old quarterback in the hit
Speaker 1: through the sport like nothing had ever even been close.
Speaker 1: No one had ever played an entire season as a
Speaker 1: forty two year old in the history of the sport.
Speaker 1: And that was him actually looking like he was proven
Speaker 1: you right, Dan, a gradual decline and then to go
Speaker 1: to Tampa and to have back to back seasons where
Speaker 1: you won the m v P or rather the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP, where in the last eight or nine games
Speaker 1: this season he was clearly the best quarterback in the league,
Speaker 1: and this year he would have gotten my vote for
Speaker 1: m VP. Reasonable minds can disagree, but certainly one of
Speaker 1: the best two or three players not too late in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL. I know if Tom Brady had been thinking, uh,
Speaker 1: he would have announced this like leading into week eighteen,
Speaker 1: and then I think he definitely wins the award over
Speaker 1: in Rodgers. But Unfortunately the votes are in the longevity
Speaker 1: is is part of it, but it's longevity with excellence
Speaker 1: because he was better post age thirty six, I think
Speaker 1: then than he was before, which is just hard to fathom.
Speaker 1: I mean, I argue that at age forty three, you know,
Speaker 1: last season, that he had more signature moments than of
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks you know, shoved together, I mean the ones
Speaker 1: that fail and all of them the good ones. And
Speaker 1: we prior to Matthew Stafford coming to the Rams, I
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, I can't come up with five signature
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford moments yet he's a very good quarterback. But
Speaker 1: Brady just unfurled the been off of the NonStop And
Speaker 1: I mean this is a guy that like, essentially, I
Speaker 1: didn't matter if it was Week four and two thousand
Speaker 1: six or the Super Bowl, the height of the game,
Speaker 1: like each individual contest was um Brady sort of like
Speaker 1: Russian novel of intense focus, um passion. He was wedded
Speaker 1: to the moment. And I think if you listen to it,
Speaker 1: it is instructed to me not just what we think
Speaker 1: and journals think in podcasters, but his own teammates, and
Speaker 1: I think they lived essentially, Uh you know in the
Speaker 1: sunlight of his presence. I mean, they loved being his teammate,
Speaker 1: and you know I don't. I loved watching Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: and I for all of us and for so many
Speaker 1: people he encapsulated obviously an incredible span of time. But
Speaker 1: for me when it started as the biggest height of
Speaker 1: my fandom, where I never had any thought back then
Speaker 1: that I would work in football, I just loved watching it.
Speaker 1: It absorbed my sundays. And to go through the iterations
Speaker 1: of his career and to come and do what we've
Speaker 1: done and follow it along the fact that he's still
Speaker 1: here doing what he's doing. Um, I we're never going
Speaker 1: to see anything like it. And I utterly laugh at
Speaker 1: these anyone's still bringing up anyone else at quarterback level.
Speaker 1: That's that's anything better than Tom Brady. He is heads
Speaker 1: and tails above anyone else. And he's better than Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1: He's better than anyone. He's set the standard. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not whoa wo wowing like he he is. Absolutely
Speaker 1: he is. Football is different than these other sports. He
Speaker 1: is the standard. There is nothing else for me. Well,
Speaker 1: that becomes bad if you think football is a better
Speaker 1: sport than the other. So I think we don't need jevity.
Speaker 1: It's tough, right. The longevity and what he was able
Speaker 1: to do, I think that's part of this story. And
Speaker 1: I think like when when the Peyton Manning retired after
Speaker 1: winning Super Bowl fifty, there was a conversation still like
Speaker 1: who is the greatest of this era, maybe of all time?
Speaker 1: And then Brady went on to play six more years.
Speaker 1: It was like those six years were Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: level years. Here's a little bit from Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: his um Instagram message after you know it be It's
Speaker 1: almost started to become a little bit absurd the Saturday
Speaker 1: reporting by ESPN, and then it was hanging out there.
Speaker 1: If this would have carried on too much longer, would
Speaker 1: have started to feel weird. So I'm happy that if
Speaker 1: Brady really was walking away, it didn't drag out too
Speaker 1: much longer. Here is the official statement, or a part
Speaker 1: of it from Brady. This is difficult for me to write,
Speaker 1: but here it goes, I am not going to make
Speaker 1: that competitive commitment anymore. I have loved my NFL career
Speaker 1: and now it is time to focus my time and
Speaker 1: energy on other things that require my attention. One of
Speaker 1: the things. Greg also about Brady's incredible career was that
Speaker 1: for so much of it he was public enemy number
Speaker 1: one because of his success, because he had so many
Speaker 1: things in his favors, his his um, the team he
Speaker 1: was on, he was on, the individual accolades, he was
Speaker 1: a good looking guy, he had the model wife. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was the most famous athlete in the country. So
Speaker 1: when when he failed, even when the team failed, or
Speaker 1: when Brady failed, or there was scandal like the spy
Speaker 1: Gate scandal or deflate gate or eighteen and one or
Speaker 1: you know, picked the Super Bowl loss, um, there was
Speaker 1: always this general idea of like whoever was on the
Speaker 1: right side against Brady and had the victory, like it
Speaker 1: made it even more special, Like I could say as
Speaker 1: a Jets fan, like my number one winever was the
Speaker 1: Divisional playoffs up in Foxboro in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 1: like going into there and beating Brady. For me as
Speaker 1: a Jets fan and many others like me, that was
Speaker 1: number one because of Brady. And to be that sort
Speaker 1: of measuring sick in a team sport like football is
Speaker 1: what's unprecedented. And and that's part of why I started
Speaker 1: talking about the Bucks thing, because it did help separate
Speaker 1: Brady from just what they accomplished um in New England.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned that debate, like the Manning Brady debate,
Speaker 1: I do want to kind of go back to that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that it was the Seahawks Broncos, and in
Speaker 1: the front cover of NFL dot com this morning that
Speaker 1: morning was will win in this game by Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: and they were favored, which is hard to remember because
Speaker 1: they lost by thirty five. Will this win cement Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning as the greatest ever? And I don't think that
Speaker 1: was a hot take at that point. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like this would put him over the top of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady at that time. It was It wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago. And so the way that Tom Brady became
Speaker 1: the greatest ever was actually during our era was during
Speaker 1: the round the NFL era. We we saw many of
Speaker 1: those games. He's he's the greatest because of that era.
Speaker 1: Since then, you know that they won four titles, or
Speaker 1: he won four titles. The Patriots had three of them.
Speaker 1: He got the m v P. He was really a
Speaker 1: top three quarterback almost every one of those seasons except
Speaker 1: for that the ending one in the Patriots. And now
Speaker 1: we're at the point where Eli Manning is sending out
Speaker 1: tweets and saying like you are the greatest to ever
Speaker 1: do it. Even Peyton Manning's brother isn't even considering the
Speaker 1: fact um that that he could be competitive with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: And like I think about I think about that come
Speaker 1: back against the Hawks, as against the Seahawks as the
Speaker 1: single most important game of his career personally, um because
Speaker 1: it ended the ten years that they didn't have It
Speaker 1: was against the number one defense of that year, the
Speaker 1: defining defense of that year at the time, it was
Speaker 1: the greatest fourth quarter comeback in the history of the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and and Malcolm Butler helped him along the way.
Speaker 1: But it really did just change things of where he
Speaker 1: went because he changed as a quarterback really around oh
Speaker 1: six oh seven, that's when his peak started. He was
Speaker 1: waylaid for two years by the a c l wasn't
Speaker 1: quite the same by O. Nine. From ten on, he
Speaker 1: was just like full Tom Brady the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: and the wind started stacking up. And even the years
Speaker 1: that they didn't win the Super Bowl, like included that
Speaker 1: Eagles game where he probably had his best Super Bowl performance,
Speaker 1: the f C Championship against Broncos, which to me is
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable games he ever had with
Speaker 1: Gronk against that Broncos team, and they had no offensive line,
Speaker 1: no running game, and he still almost got them there.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like he has as many memorable
Speaker 1: losses as any quarterback in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is which is wild too. I mean to your point,
Speaker 1: like since turning forty, he's seventy and twenty four with
Speaker 1: a touchdowns. I think any debate with Peyton Manning, which
Speaker 1: was juicy for a solid era, um had vanished a
Speaker 1: long time ago. I there, we never saw him suck.
Speaker 1: I love. That's kind of what I love is that,
Speaker 1: you know, we just came off the whole Big Ben
Speaker 1: experience where it visually and psychologically tarnished what we think
Speaker 1: about what I thought about Big Ben just end the
Speaker 1: end is so wrong and like the two thousand ten
Speaker 1: Brett Farve season is still this like um stink trap
Speaker 1: at the end of it win the Super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: he like, yeah, it was, I mean, despite him almost
Speaker 1: they wanted and it's not the way you want to
Speaker 1: go out. But Tom Brady like easily could have played
Speaker 1: next season easily, and he was an m v P.
Speaker 1: He should, I would. I'm with you, Greg, I'd vote
Speaker 1: for him for m VP this year. So it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to leave football as a quarterback, but as anyone
Speaker 1: in a graceful way. Almost everyone wants to go one
Speaker 1: or two years too far, where you look vulnerable, you
Speaker 1: don't look yourself, and our memories of you change, our
Speaker 1: impression of you changes. He somehow goes out um, almost
Speaker 1: in Jim Brown fashion, but not after you know, less
Speaker 1: than a decade, an incredibly incredibly long career that like,
Speaker 1: no one's ever going to touch this, this will never
Speaker 1: happen again. We've seen something that will never happen again.
Speaker 1: He provided a roadmap, you could say, for other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to attempt it, whether it's how he takes care of
Speaker 1: his body or who he surrounds himself with. But it
Speaker 1: does feel like it is like a once in a generation,
Speaker 1: once in a century type situation that he could go
Speaker 1: out um this way. He led the league in yardage
Speaker 1: and touchdowns. There's no other quarterback like it. I have
Speaker 1: to do this article ranking of Super Bowl eraic quarterbacks
Speaker 1: every year, and I tried. I went through like the
Speaker 1: top twenty and tried to look for something similar and
Speaker 1: there wasn't really anything, and actually was somewhat close but not.
Speaker 1: But even he he was definitely not the same guy
Speaker 1: in Kansas City as he was a San Francis and
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy. But but the fact that Brady's career
Speaker 1: ended UM in Tampa in a very disappointing way. Obviously
Speaker 1: you're defending a title, UM, but he did lead them
Speaker 1: on a three comeback. Uh they got that game tied.
Speaker 1: His last touchdown pass was a bomb down the right sideline.
Speaker 1: You never questioned Tom Brady's arm strength as he edged
Speaker 1: into his mid forties, beating Jalen Ramsey for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: West did too. I remember this. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Like it back in you know, well alright, okay, calm down,
Speaker 1: take it easy. But I'm saying and once his he
Speaker 1: had the sustained secondary peak. You never questioned anything about
Speaker 1: his physical tools. In fact, what made him a marvel
Speaker 1: also was yeah, how he it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: moving better. He wasn't faster necessarily, but he had mastered
Speaker 1: this the the intellectual element of the game and still
Speaker 1: had the physical skills, so he almost you know, if
Speaker 1: he would have went out on a back to back
Speaker 1: title in Tampa. I guess that's the ultimate storybook ending.
Speaker 1: But this isn't a bad consolation prize. Can I offer
Speaker 1: one gripe? And it has nothing to do with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady at all? Um, it is the way this whole
Speaker 1: thing played out, and you mentioned it, Dan, it it
Speaker 1: to me is deflating and it's like, um, Christopher Hitchens
Speaker 1: said that news by definition is what you don't know
Speaker 1: already and what you might not like when you get it.
Speaker 1: I really, um am a little. I know this is
Speaker 1: like they're all part of our business. But the breaking
Speaker 1: news culture that we have where this thing if there
Speaker 1: was ever a player to like not go you know,
Speaker 1: skirt around the idea of honoring how Tom Brady would
Speaker 1: leave the game. But to have this thing break the
Speaker 1: day it did, takes the air out of the balloon,
Speaker 1: um and probably disrupted the way that completely disrupted the
Speaker 1: way Brady would have wanted to do it and forced
Speaker 1: him to do it today. Because because you're right, it's
Speaker 1: like lingering, it's weird. We've got to get an official statement.
Speaker 1: It's one example of like can we chill? Can we
Speaker 1: ever chill? And like let someone go out on it.
Speaker 1: This is one guy that deserved to go do it
Speaker 1: his own way, and instead it's like, I've got to
Speaker 1: get my news flash out there, super tedious. I'm not
Speaker 1: su precious about that. I just feel like I know,
Speaker 1: I just I just I just found it annoying. It's
Speaker 1: like because it's news ultimately, and it's like it's just
Speaker 1: you know, if you want, if he wants to announce it,
Speaker 1: then he could announce it when he knew for sure,
Speaker 1: and otherwise it's just like any other story. To me,
Speaker 1: it doesn't take anything away, like Saturday got a great
Speaker 1: day of it and everyone's talking, and today is getting
Speaker 1: a great day of it and we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about him for the rest of our lives. Think I
Speaker 1: think it's I would imagine it's seriously annoyed Tom Brad.
Speaker 1: I think he said he was out of the country.
Speaker 1: He was out of the country on Saturday. He's trying
Speaker 1: to enjoy some peace and quiet and it blew up.
Speaker 1: So I think absolutely it would qualify let's call it
Speaker 1: a bummer the way it's set up for him. But
Speaker 1: I think a year from now, certainly five years from now,
Speaker 1: when he goes into the Hall of Fame. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna be thinking back to the schefter uh situation. But
Speaker 1: I see your greater point. Poor Darling and keeps getting
Speaker 1: left out every time I hear talk about I have it,
Speaker 1: but so does you know? Guy, I don't. Darlington probably
Speaker 1: had it more because he really did that. He didn't
Speaker 1: get the lead billings. So take it up with ESPN, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he I do appreciate that Tom knew we were taping today. Um,
Speaker 1: he let our podcast be better by doing it this morning.
Speaker 1: And he also really thumbed his nose at Jim Gray
Speaker 1: because he taped an addition of the Let's Go podcast
Speaker 1: on Monday evening, and in that podcast he said he
Speaker 1: hadn't made his decision retiring. I mean, that's it's a
Speaker 1: tough spot for the Let's Go podcast. Let's be reimagine
Speaker 1: if if one of us announced something important about our
Speaker 1: careers or our lives on our Instagram, like immediately after
Speaker 1: we taped the podcast Let's Go off the air. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, And by the way, if you watch that,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna listen to that podcast going forward, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like Tom hawking his health supplements. So enjoy
Speaker 1: enjoy the content there. Yeah, it does. I think we
Speaker 1: kind of had this one now though the fact that
Speaker 1: the podcast had no real presence until last week and
Speaker 1: doesn't even get that. But on the on the subject Ricky,
Speaker 1: I want to bring Ricky Hollywood in here. She is
Speaker 1: a lifelong Patriots fan. And Erica that the Tom Brady
Speaker 1: goodbye message was seven words. Um, the image was Tom
Speaker 1: in a Buck's uniform and over those seven words. Never
Speaker 1: d that picture was him at Gillette. That is such
Speaker 1: an fu are you? He never mentioned Bill Belichick, he
Speaker 1: never mentioned the Patriots or Robert Kraft, and he never
Speaker 1: mentioned you the fan. Take you through it? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, my friends my group chat back home
Speaker 1: going crazy, very upset, very very very upset, and I
Speaker 1: agree with them. It's it's hard to see this. Yes,
Speaker 1: we got our thank you a few years ago. And
Speaker 1: and did he say specifically retire in that post. No,
Speaker 1: so he is stepping away, So he's thanking the Bucks
Speaker 1: organization for him to put that picture of it. My
Speaker 1: voice is like this because I've been crying all more.
Speaker 1: And no, I was screaming about the Bengals. But um,
Speaker 1: I was actually like, okay, this is like whatever, thank
Speaker 1: you Tom for like the best memories, Like I am
Speaker 1: honored to like that he is why I love sports,
Speaker 1: Like Tom Brady has been you know that fails safe forever.
Speaker 1: But it's like to throw the photo of him in
Speaker 1: the Bucks uniform at Gillette, like that is that is
Speaker 1: petty bro Like come on, and now now the counterpoint
Speaker 1: Greg where he tells you it doesn't matter, go ahead,
Speaker 1: he also sent he did send out after but you understand, right,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just break this down, because let's not
Speaker 1: leave anything that you know out out in the opening
Speaker 1: with any type of like a lack of awareness of
Speaker 1: how this played out. He writes the seven words, he
Speaker 1: pours over every word and goes over it with all
Speaker 1: his people, or maybe he just reads it a hundred
Speaker 1: times and runs it past his dad. He sends it
Speaker 1: out purposely keep in New England and everything that element
Speaker 1: of his life out of it, which just seems impossible
Speaker 1: to do for a guy that played twenty years then
Speaker 1: and then when that becomes like and this is why
Speaker 1: I think it was ultimately not the right move for
Speaker 1: there multiple reasons, but like that's gonna be what people
Speaker 1: take out of it, and that's the story that started
Speaker 1: going viral this morning, which leads him to send out
Speaker 1: the two line tweet which quy the way bro that
Speaker 1: you know the toothpaste is out of the tube. I
Speaker 1: just wonder And this is all more just Greg just
Speaker 1: kind of fun to speculate on this stuff. But there
Speaker 1: has to be something more to some of the relationship
Speaker 1: dynamics that that he chose to do that. I hope
Speaker 1: they work it out in time, because you want him
Speaker 1: coming to Foxboro for different events and you want him
Speaker 1: part of it. But that really struck me as odd.
Speaker 1: I was going through because you have to scroll through
Speaker 1: the messages, you scroll through the statement, through the Instagram post,
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for the New England part and it
Speaker 1: just never came. I think it is instructive that he
Speaker 1: sent like a four page thing when he left New England,
Speaker 1: like extolling the virtues of Bill Belichick and extolling all
Speaker 1: the people there and thanking them and Robert Kraft like
Speaker 1: he did that, like you can go look at those
Speaker 1: that water rose. And now he's he's talking about everything
Speaker 1: he'd done in his career and he doesn't mention the
Speaker 1: place where he won six titles and went to nine
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. I guess I guess I'm wired differently because
Speaker 1: it seems crazy to me that like sports, that the
Speaker 1: fans would be so self involved and like unappreciative Greg, Greg, Greg,
Speaker 1: you were out of control, Like I'm not even in
Speaker 1: New England and I'm not like some of my crazy
Speaker 1: friends like there. I I think the Boston sports fans
Speaker 1: are the worst sports fans in the world because of that,
Speaker 1: Like because because it's like they make any any fan
Speaker 1: base in the country would have been personally hurt by that. Course,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if we were Eagles, fans would be
Speaker 1: chucking batteries at people because it's like what you're gonna
Speaker 1: call us the worst? Like it's different than it's different
Speaker 1: than an actor. Um you know, finally, after many years,
Speaker 1: winning like an Academy Award and thanking his second wife
Speaker 1: but ignoring his first wife who we divorced, like this
Speaker 1: is where his career was built. Um. I do think
Speaker 1: that to Dan's point, if you like, that was a
Speaker 1: meticulously thought out message, and so he meticulously thought out
Speaker 1: leaving New England not in it. Um. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: in New England and the freaking photo Okay, but don't
Speaker 1: you think that like everyone's intentional, everyone and everyone attached
Speaker 1: to putting that message out new that like every talking
Speaker 1: head's gonna go crazy over the fact that the Patriots
Speaker 1: weren't messing, we weren't in it so well that you
Speaker 1: know what's gonna I guess I hadn't thought about it
Speaker 1: that much, but maybe that, I mean, that's like what's
Speaker 1: helped make Tom Brady, you know Tom Brady, you know,
Speaker 1: like I guess, I guess I'm at the three, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's what made him great. I and I. But
Speaker 1: I also just don't think like this one statement. It's
Speaker 1: when everyone is paying attention rightfully and ensure it does
Speaker 1: it deserves some attention. He is the way he has
Speaker 1: spoken about Belichick this season, the fact that they spent
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes in the locker room just the two
Speaker 1: of them after that Week four game, and the way
Speaker 1: that they spoke about each other after that and throughout
Speaker 1: the last two seasons, to me, like that means just
Speaker 1: as much or like that, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like doesn't matter, not an oversight, but just it you
Speaker 1: can you can take it all in and like I
Speaker 1: take all those words that he said throughout the last
Speaker 1: two seasons, the previous Davids, and I take the fact
Speaker 1: that that he left him out here maybe because he's
Speaker 1: a competitor. You're right, like and and that's all part
Speaker 1: of like the package who gave Patriots fans, including myself,
Speaker 1: like the greatest joy of like a sports fan that
Speaker 1: you what ever could have. So it just seems it
Speaker 1: just seems weird on the day that you're celebrating him
Speaker 1: personally to worry too much about that like all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I totally got that, And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people you know, on Reddit and Twitter are
Speaker 1: gonna be like, Eric is a sad Pats fan just
Speaker 1: crying about it. It's like, this guy gave us twenty
Speaker 1: of the best years that we will ever have, and
Speaker 1: everybody in the league is lucky to see that. And
Speaker 1: he has been been on my favorite team besides Jets
Speaker 1: fans and other fans that have lost. But but listen,
Speaker 1: we are lucky to have witnessed this type of greatness.
Speaker 1: So am I I thankful? Is Boston so thankful and appreciative? Yes,
Speaker 1: there's no argument about that whatsoever. People were rooting for
Speaker 1: him as a buck because they loved Tom Brady so much.
Speaker 1: But yes, was this a snub and was this intentional?
Speaker 1: My point is he was gone two years ago and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the rest of our lives for him
Speaker 1: to say nice things. He stiffed the Patriots. That's there's
Speaker 1: no way around it. There's no other way. But that also,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that that's where we should be,
Speaker 1: like dwelling on this conversation. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: minutes on it. Well, I think you played a role
Speaker 1: in that, Greg, I think that the bigger pictures still obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's I just want to read another thing.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys where the numbers just blow
Speaker 1: you away. He finished with a two and forty three
Speaker 1: and seventy three regular season record, thirty five and twelve
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, when three MVP Awards selected to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl fifteen times, of course, the one pick in
Speaker 1: two thousand. I'll say one more thing, And you're right, Greg,
Speaker 1: they hold the voting at the end of the regular season.
Speaker 1: But we could get a little we can get a
Speaker 1: little tricky on this one, especially considering who's gonna end
Speaker 1: up winning the award. We can we can make some
Speaker 1: moves here. I wouldn't be against it. I just want
Speaker 1: to hear Marcus so mad about He's been very angry
Speaker 1: to not get in knowing I'm listening, keep going. I
Speaker 1: like I I'm hearing what Dan says. I would like
Speaker 1: to see if Aaron Rodgers wins this m v P,
Speaker 1: I will be extremely annoyed. He is not the m
Speaker 1: v P on any level. I would I would. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you do this, rejigger the vote. I
Speaker 1: know he is because the people books. I give it
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady open to blow up the books, write
Speaker 1: a new book, and let's just get this right and
Speaker 1: everyone can go go to the bar and giggle about
Speaker 1: what they just did and we won't know how it happened. Um,
Speaker 1: I my last start on this, and then you guys
Speaker 1: please also if you have something else to share, because
Speaker 1: we do have to move on. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: other NFL news as well, uh as we look ahead,
Speaker 1: the personnel carousel and of course Super Bowl fifty six.
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think he's in this category.
Speaker 1: I think he's in the Babe Ruth Michael Jordan's Tom
Speaker 1: Brady Cady. I think he is in that like all
Speaker 1: time holy sector of American athletes, just because of all
Speaker 1: the accomplished and how he did it differently than anyone else.
Speaker 1: And I think unique is the word to me that
Speaker 1: best describes his career because there was no decline. There
Speaker 1: was when it looked like there might have been one,
Speaker 1: he said, no, I'm going to change and flip the script.
Speaker 1: And there was part of a savvinus to to Brady
Speaker 1: as well. Maybe he would have stayed in a bit
Speaker 1: of a sustained decline if he was with the Patriots
Speaker 1: when they were kind of retooling in a tough spot,
Speaker 1: but knowing when to maybe say let me jump here
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay and revitalize things. I think that was
Speaker 1: a brilliant bit of personal maneuvering as well. So he
Speaker 1: annoyed me, he killed me, He destroyed me for years
Speaker 1: and years and years. But I really do think um,
Speaker 1: like Mark, you and I have worked at the company
Speaker 1: since two thousand and ten. Greg, you've been with us
Speaker 1: since two thousand thirteen. You covered and went to Super bowls. Uh,
Speaker 1: and like we got to see this and cover Brady
Speaker 1: in this back half of his career and go to
Speaker 1: numerous Super Bowls, including three, including the Malcolm Butler game,
Speaker 1: including even like I was saying earlier, the Eagles game,
Speaker 1: where uh, you know, to be on the losing side,
Speaker 1: but that made that game even more interesting. You know
Speaker 1: that the Giants Super Bowls. It was just I'm lucky
Speaker 1: to be able to have covered him. I have to
Speaker 1: say that I'm with you. Like, um, I was just
Speaker 1: trying to think about the fact that most of my
Speaker 1: Tom Brady memories are not about like these compiled stats
Speaker 1: and like his forties versus other people's twenties. That's all relevant, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like I remember being in the locker room after
Speaker 1: he lost the Giants the second time and seeing like
Speaker 1: literal anguish on his face as he took long minutes
Speaker 1: trying to peel his socks off his injured body, and
Speaker 1: like he was, you know, I know you hate this,
Speaker 1: but Jim Gray was sitting next to him, and like,
Speaker 1: Brady just looked very upset. I mean, I think about
Speaker 1: the time like years later when he beat the Rams,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he thought, this is the last
Speaker 1: time we do this with the Patriots and the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and he was going up to individual teammates in
Speaker 1: the locker room and not just give him a high five,
Speaker 1: like it was like two or three minute long conversations
Speaker 1: looking into their eyes. He was a genuine person. And
Speaker 1: if you defied him, because there was one time that
Speaker 1: I remember trying to defy the greatness of Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: he you will pay the price. It was twenty three
Speaker 1: against the Falcons and I had to write this little
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You know, you must write some feature
Speaker 1: coming out of the game, so I had write. I
Speaker 1: wrote one at halftime. I got about seventeen hundred words
Speaker 1: into how the Patriots defense let the team down. And
Speaker 1: even by the end of the third quarter, I was telling,
Speaker 1: you know, editor David Eally, I think, um, this still
Speaker 1: works if they hold on, and we were both starting
Speaker 1: to question the concept of it. And as the minutes
Speaker 1: kept going, I started to realize I had been banged
Speaker 1: in the biggest spots. I don't even have a column
Speaker 1: at this point. I went against Tom Brady, and you
Speaker 1: pay when you do that. He is on that mountaintop
Speaker 1: with Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan's He's on the top
Speaker 1: of it. That's that's how I remember Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: the Mark uh post game filing after I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's personal moments like good and bad, like things you
Speaker 1: learn about how fierce he was. You know, I had
Speaker 1: about five words on Dion Jones and the and the
Speaker 1: Falcon speedy linebackers. I think in that game speaks In
Speaker 1: that game, no one expected them to come back, but
Speaker 1: that game speaks to something. Check Row, which I totally
Speaker 1: agreed with, was like, the greatest thing in sports is
Speaker 1: when you expect something improbable on paper to happen from
Speaker 1: like a great, truly great player, and it does. And
Speaker 1: he brought up that that Seahawks moment as as the
Speaker 1: best as what he thought was the best moment his career,
Speaker 1: and I thought so too. But there's just so many
Speaker 1: There's so many others, and football is funny because it
Speaker 1: is such a team sport. You can't divorce Belichick in
Speaker 1: Brady totally, and you can't divorce Brady from everything that
Speaker 1: happened in New England. But on some level it does
Speaker 1: come down to the cliche of like are you gonna
Speaker 1: make that drive at the end of the game, Like
Speaker 1: are you gonna do it or or not? And he
Speaker 1: will always be the greatest at that one of the best,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it did come and last one of, if
Speaker 1: not the best drive of his life was two thousand
Speaker 1: seven against the Lions. They got the ball back down three,
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything all day with about eight minutes to go,
Speaker 1: hadn't and and he goes down the field ten fifteen
Speaker 1: plays six minutes to go up four on on Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: Because because that was the game where they felt every
Speaker 1: bit of pressure that they were man handled up front.
Speaker 1: Even after that drive, they didn't top three hundred yards
Speaker 1: of offense. Yet when he was put with his back
Speaker 1: against the wall, more than any other moment I thought
Speaker 1: of his entire career, that drive started inside the tent.
Speaker 1: He went down the field and he got that touchdown
Speaker 1: to Randy Moss to go take the lead and try
Speaker 1: to be the hero. And it didn't work out for
Speaker 1: him that day because because the defense didn't finish it off.
Speaker 1: And that's how football goes like that's he lost his
Speaker 1: best Super Bowl performance, as you mentioned against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I thought that was good, but he just like gets
Speaker 1: but he just kept going back and he kept going
Speaker 1: in that position, and even in a game like that
Speaker 1: Rams game again after that interception when they absolutely needed
Speaker 1: a drive to get it done. They changed what they
Speaker 1: did offensively all game, they changed the formation. He he he
Speaker 1: knows what the Rams are gonna do in terms of adapting.
Speaker 1: And even on a day that was was bad, compared
Speaker 1: to that a f C Championship where he lit up
Speaker 1: Patrick Bones, that's the moment where you have to go
Speaker 1: make that drive. If you're Tom Brady, everyone expected him
Speaker 1: to do it. He throws it to Gronk and he
Speaker 1: does it, and he adds another super Bowl. It's just
Speaker 1: like that guy delivered by the way, Eli has no dummy.
Speaker 1: When he comes out today and records a video message
Speaker 1: saying Tom, You're the best ever. He's doing it for
Speaker 1: Eli because he beat Tom and the Super Bowl twice.
Speaker 1: If Peyton doesn't need to be the best, Tom's the
Speaker 1: best because it brings it up. He has the same
Speaker 1: joke every time. He's like, thanks for letting me have
Speaker 1: a couple. Yeah, and why not? As he said, I
Speaker 1: know the Bucks would have to cut him. And then
Speaker 1: there's money issues and all this kind of stuff. And
Speaker 1: I obviously there's so much behind the scenes with their
Speaker 1: relationship and everything, but like, just part of me, not
Speaker 1: all of me, is like I wish he would like officially,
Speaker 1: like sign a one day contract with the Pats, and
Speaker 1: I know how improbable that is and retire. Remember what
Speaker 1: we talked about ten minutes ago. I know, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's I don't think it is at all, but
Speaker 1: it is if it also seems like a move by lesser,
Speaker 1: lesser stars or lesser at like they come back like
Speaker 1: you know, hey, they were a five year career in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: They went like to Kansas City for two years, fell
Speaker 1: off the map, and then they go back and have
Speaker 1: that ceremony at like six in the morning on a
Speaker 1: Wednesday with the Falcons. It's like, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: They gotta have their moments. They're gonna have their moments together.
Speaker 1: Ricky and I have no doubts about that. Him and
Speaker 1: into the future have some doubts. We'll see what Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens. But I want to ask you guys this,
Speaker 1: do you think there's any way he comes back? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's Brady. You never know. Absolutely. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why because if I have one concern,
Speaker 1: and I've stated this before, the way that Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is built, I think his intentions are genuine and pure.
Speaker 1: For wanting to go um, be with the family, be
Speaker 1: with the kids. But I am concerned about like a
Speaker 1: dull Milieu um um, you know, at post football and
Speaker 1: sort of just staring out windows like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: awesome for about four weeks. Then it's like, wait a minute, what,
Speaker 1: there's no what do I win? Now? What do I do?
Speaker 1: It's like, you're still the best quarterback in the room,
Speaker 1: has nothing left to prove. I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's why we won the quickest sandwiches we've ever won
Speaker 1: in this show off once it's once it even brought
Speaker 1: into his mind that he was thinking about it. He
Speaker 1: just seems like the type two walk away. And I
Speaker 1: am happy as just like a Brady fan that that
Speaker 1: he didn't go out on that. Ultimately he was right.
Speaker 1: I mean, for all the people in New England that
Speaker 1: were mad at Belichick, and I wasn't one of them.
Speaker 1: I was on the wrong side here. I thought that
Speaker 1: was the time to make the divorce because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to see the decline. Like he was right. He
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was right and he proved it right. And
Speaker 1: that is like an ultimate exclamation point to end his
Speaker 1: career with Ricky and Dan. What happens to Greg when
Speaker 1: at some point in his adulthood, um going forward, he
Speaker 1: uh flies back into the state of Massachusetts an attempts
Speaker 1: to get off the plane into an airport. He is
Speaker 1: going to be destroyed by the Pats. Fans are right
Speaker 1: there giving advice to to maybe Ellis where she's like
Speaker 1: she gets her heartbroken for the first time, or maybe
Speaker 1: you know, we all get our hearts broken. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: don't be sad, it's over, Like be happy it happened.
Speaker 1: And she's like sobbing on the bedroom floor. It's like, Dad,
Speaker 1: you suck, you suck. You're not helping anything. You sound
Speaker 1: like like a thirteen year old girl right now, So
Speaker 1: do you every day? All Right, everybody calmed down. I
Speaker 1: know it's an emotional day for Patriots fans across the world.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has retired after twenty two years. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. There is other things going on
Speaker 1: in the NFL, including some wild news unfolding as we
Speaker 1: record here. So let's uh take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: hit the rest of the news. Welcome back time for
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Speaker 1: at upwork dot com and explosive bit of news came
Speaker 1: down while we were having our Tom Brady discussion. Perhaps
Speaker 1: Don Brady. Tom Brady is connected to this story as well.
Speaker 1: Former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores is suing the NFL
Speaker 1: and teams within the NFL that he says have engaged
Speaker 1: in systemic racism uh practices against black coaches. Flora's name,
Speaker 1: the league, the Dolphins, the Giants, as well as the
Speaker 1: Broncos and John Doe teams one to twenty nine is
Speaker 1: defendants in the lawsuit. It's a clash class action complaint,
Speaker 1: which means other coaches. Uh, we're assuming obviously other black
Speaker 1: coaches or coaches of color could join him in the
Speaker 1: suit if they wish. Uh. There are some crazy boys
Speaker 1: um revelations here and allegations. The suit says that the
Speaker 1: Dolphins his former employer. Of course, the Dolphins fired Flora's
Speaker 1: after his third season with the team despite having a
Speaker 1: winning record. Flora says that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered
Speaker 1: to pay him an extra one hundred thousand per loss
Speaker 1: during the twenty nineteen season. That was the season when
Speaker 1: they started off poorly, and everyone assumed it was a
Speaker 1: tank job. Ross wanted the Dolphins to lose enough games
Speaker 1: to secure the first overall pick in the draft. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins improved that season as it went along, apparently not
Speaker 1: or allegedly not to Stephen Ross's liking. Flores also alleged
Speaker 1: that Ross tried to get him to recruit a quote
Speaker 1: prominent quarterback who was under contract to another team. So
Speaker 1: this would have happened UH two off seasons ago. That
Speaker 1: would have been a violation in the league tampering rules
Speaker 1: if that player was under contract, which he most certainly
Speaker 1: was at the time. Flora says he refused to be
Speaker 1: a part of that situation. The lawsuit also says the
Speaker 1: Jet the Giants scheduled an interview with Flora's last week
Speaker 1: to comply with the Rooney rule, even though they already
Speaker 1: knew they were going to hire Brian Dable as head coach. Uh.
Speaker 1: He finds out about it Flora's because Bill Belichick mistakenly
Speaker 1: texts him under the impression that Brian Dable is the
Speaker 1: higher for the Giants. He had been misinformed it was obviously, um,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Brian Flores is the higher. He had been misinformed.
Speaker 1: It was Brian Dable getting hired so and finally, just
Speaker 1: to put a bow on the Bronco side of it,
Speaker 1: Flora's contends of three years ago he was involved in
Speaker 1: the same type of sham process with Denver when they
Speaker 1: hired Vic vic Fajio. And here's a statement from Flora's.
Speaker 1: In making the decision to file the class action complaint today,
Speaker 1: I understand that I might be risking coaching the game
Speaker 1: that I love and that has not done so much
Speaker 1: for my family and me. My sincere hope is that
Speaker 1: by standing up against systemic racism in the NFL, others
Speaker 1: will join me to ensure that positive change is made
Speaker 1: for generations to come. Greg This is on the day
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady officially announces his retirement. This is a
Speaker 1: massive bombshell, and it's to reverberate across the league. It
Speaker 1: is remarkable. I'm still trying to digest it and where
Speaker 1: to start. If you've ever heard Brian Flores talk um
Speaker 1: about racism, about what it's like to be a black man,
Speaker 1: a black coach in this country, this fits right in
Speaker 1: with it. Like he is, he is one of um
Speaker 1: the most passionate and like intelligent speakers on that topic,
Speaker 1: and he is not a man that you would want
Speaker 1: to mess with, I think in this arena, and I
Speaker 1: think Stephen Ross is finding that out. That that's where
Speaker 1: we'll I'll start with it, just because that allegation that
Speaker 1: his owner offered to pay him extra money for every
Speaker 1: loss that they had goes against the competitive um rules
Speaker 1: and everything that the league is supposed to stand. And
Speaker 1: so that that's that's it's it's separate from the racist
Speaker 1: hiring practice. And we can get to the Belichick bills thing,
Speaker 1: which is probably those are probably the two the two
Speaker 1: biggest things in this uh story. But that that is
Speaker 1: an explosive allegation and cuts to the core and is
Speaker 1: and is the NFL's worst nightmare. Really, this story is
Speaker 1: on two fronts, and and that's one of those two friends.
Speaker 1: Right if the runing rules started, and it did with
Speaker 1: good intentions to make a change, I mean, there is
Speaker 1: has been fairly been suspicion around how it's been used
Speaker 1: year after year, and like you, there hasn't been you know,
Speaker 1: tangible Syrian anecdotes like this about the fact that certain
Speaker 1: candidates are brought in. But you get a sense that
Speaker 1: team a already knows who they want. Now we have
Speaker 1: these anecdotes, and um, if Brian Flores, I think you
Speaker 1: could argue that Flores is putting himself in his in
Speaker 1: a position where it could impact his own career. But
Speaker 1: to Greg's point, he believes in these topics, He's not alone. Um,
Speaker 1: the league needs to change the numbers, show that they
Speaker 1: vet that out. And it is it goes down to
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, even beyond Stephen Ross, it
Speaker 1: is an ownership issue. It is. It is clearly an
Speaker 1: ownership issue and who they hire, how the practicing of
Speaker 1: hiring goes down. It's been a black mark on the
Speaker 1: eye of the NFL for years and years. It continues
Speaker 1: to be And this is I mean, this is sort
Speaker 1: of everyone that's been looking at this for years and
Speaker 1: years saying, we know this is happening. This report, these
Speaker 1: anecdotes are are are basically bricks being dropped. He's got screens,
Speaker 1: He's got screenshots that are public now of the Belichick
Speaker 1: interaction and how that played out. Was Belichick congratulate him,
Speaker 1: thinking he had the job, and it turns out that
Speaker 1: Belichick and they have Belichick's all of his responses, which
Speaker 1: is fascinating that he misunderstood the text that he was
Speaker 1: getting that out of there There there, Dan's story there
Speaker 1: there now, and he said, sorry, I I f this
Speaker 1: up by double checked. I misread the text. I think
Speaker 1: they are naming Dable. I'm sorry about that. Be but
Speaker 1: before days before Flora's interviewed, I mean, and it all
Speaker 1: check tough because Joe Shane, Joe Shane is the GM
Speaker 1: who the Giants hired who worked with Devil. Basically, they
Speaker 1: knew when they hired Joe Shane that they were going
Speaker 1: to hire Devil as their head coach, and they had
Speaker 1: to go through with what Flores is rightly pointing out
Speaker 1: was was a sham Rooney rule interview. This is incredibly
Speaker 1: um admirable, I think Brian Flores, because yes, this has
Speaker 1: been an issue, a glaring issue for the league for years,
Speaker 1: that it's a predominantly black league players wise, but the
Speaker 1: head coaching ranks are predominantly white, and we're not seeing
Speaker 1: progress in that realm even though they put they enacted
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule, which if you're not aware of what
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule is, it means if you are making
Speaker 1: any head coach higher. And I think they expanded this
Speaker 1: now to front office as well. You have to bring
Speaker 1: in a person of color, uh for to interview as
Speaker 1: well to give to try to level the playing field.
Speaker 1: But it is proven to be something that doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to really um lead to a true increase in the
Speaker 1: number of coaches, because it bears out when you look
Speaker 1: at it every year. And and the reason bringing this
Speaker 1: to light and in this manner and dropping a bombshell
Speaker 1: on the league, that's the type of stuff that can
Speaker 1: actually lead to tangible change. So I really admire that.
Speaker 1: And and and I also admire because he's coming off a
Speaker 1: three year run in Miami that was largely successful. And
Speaker 1: if he didn't get another head coaching job this year, um,
Speaker 1: he probably would have gotten one next year. And I
Speaker 1: don't know where this goes from table for Flora's, but
Speaker 1: it could go down a road where he doesn't get
Speaker 1: another head coaching job because that's just what we've seen
Speaker 1: from the league. Look at Colin Kaepernick is a prominent example.
Speaker 1: So he's putting himself out there and I think it
Speaker 1: says a lot about his character. Also one other thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you you want to know who loved
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, his players. I mean there were one after
Speaker 1: the one after the next, glowing report from the players
Speaker 1: who loved to Brian Flores was and every time he
Speaker 1: got one of these head coaching interviews during this cycle.
Speaker 1: Of course, what else is in our mind the fact
Speaker 1: that the Dolphins put out concepts and ideas that Brian
Speaker 1: Flores was tough to work with, that he um didn't
Speaker 1: go along with the plan, He wasn't collaborative. That that's
Speaker 1: rough stuff to put out there about a coaching candidate.
Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, all this was happening. Come on,
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. But yes, if this that would
Speaker 1: give If this turns out to be true, and we'll see,
Speaker 1: maybe it gets proven, who knows, that would give us
Speaker 1: a lot of context too. Yes, those reports that came
Speaker 1: out when he was let go of how he was
Speaker 1: difficult to work with, the meeting with the unnamed, uh
Speaker 1: prominent free agent or a quarterback which you know, connect dots,
Speaker 1: it could be Tom Brady if you if you line up.
Speaker 1: When Tom Brady became a free agent and eventually signed
Speaker 1: with the Bucks, there was a meeting on a yacht
Speaker 1: and in the lawsuit, he walks off the yacht when
Speaker 1: he's uh, the yacht of the owner, Stephen Ross, when
Speaker 1: he he sees what's trying to be set up a
Speaker 1: meeting between a prominent quarterback, the owner and the head
Speaker 1: coach to do something that shouldn't have been done because
Speaker 1: you can't tamper with the player currently under contract with
Speaker 1: another team. This is this is a crazy story. This
Speaker 1: is I like, now looking at now we've been doing this.
Speaker 1: We're going into our tense season. I like the biggest
Speaker 1: stories of the A t N are the biggest game
Speaker 1: of the A t R, all that stuff. This one
Speaker 1: could end up being right up there. It has that
Speaker 1: many layers and could have the repercussions that could really
Speaker 1: shake the league. Well one thing, yeah, I think of
Speaker 1: who it involves. It involves the Giants, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the league, Tiffany Brands, And involves a Dolphins team
Speaker 1: and a powerful owner and Stephen Ross, and and separate
Speaker 1: from the hiring really goes out of you know. Part
Speaker 1: of the the intent, I think is to show people
Speaker 1: who the who the Dolphins are because those that these
Speaker 1: those allegations of the Dolphins don't have to do with hiring,
Speaker 1: They have to do with how they're running their business.
Speaker 1: The it said that they were pushing floor as the
Speaker 1: ownership was pushing flooras to recruit this prominent quarterback late
Speaker 1: in the season. You're right, then, I think you can
Speaker 1: you know, connect the dots of who who that likely
Speaker 1: is in that. Yeah, this yacht meeting that the owner
Speaker 1: set up where the quarterback just happened to be in
Speaker 1: the area, took took Flora's by surprise. Um, he is
Speaker 1: currently Flora's a finalist for the Houston Texans coaching job.
Speaker 1: He he was um a fine an interview with the
Speaker 1: Bears too, in addition to the Giants, so that Texans
Speaker 1: searches actually ongoing, and he was one of three people
Speaker 1: brought back for a second interview. So that's just one more.
Speaker 1: Don't think he's going to get that job. I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's just my my feeling. But if if they hired
Speaker 1: Josh McCown i, which feels like a strong possibility, I
Speaker 1: think that goes to what he's talking about on a
Speaker 1: bigger level, and which in which is more the point
Speaker 1: If you read what this suit starts with in all
Speaker 1: the stats of the lack of black coaches in the league,
Speaker 1: that that that speaks to his point if Josh McCown
Speaker 1: gets a head coaching job over him. Whoa, this is
Speaker 1: a big one, A big one. People are very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: right now in various buildings across the league. I know,
Speaker 1: I was wondering, what is I wonder what Bill belt
Speaker 1: check it's thinking, there's just finding I want to see
Speaker 1: more Bill Belichick text. I want to see. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can be they're they're they're pretty basic. There, they're
Speaker 1: pretty basic. They see he signs it with BB. He
Speaker 1: just says he signs, which is a classic. Oh he
Speaker 1: signs his text. That's such a boomer move. Does he
Speaker 1: does he have an iPhone? Ricky? Yeah? Good, good good.
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't want another Colleen situation. Android right,
Speaker 1: all right? And if you know, we do this podcast
Speaker 1: multiple times a week through the off season, so buckle up,
Speaker 1: Marky boy, we gotta we got a subplot to track. Now.
Speaker 1: You thought it was gonna get quiet, and no, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's. In fact, I only expect every NFL
Speaker 1: offseason to get incrementally more Madhouse from the one previous.
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Speaker 1: to the part of the show that would have started
Speaker 1: the show if Tom Brady hadn't retired and Brian Flores
Speaker 1: news didn't happen exactly. All right, Brian Dable is the
Speaker 1: coach in the New York Giants. We're gonna play some
Speaker 1: sound from that. But that doesn't that feels a little
Speaker 1: weird now, Like, well, I will say this, I mean
Speaker 1: Dable Dabele deserves UM this opportunity based on what he's done,
Speaker 1: uh in Buffalo, and this is a big moment for him,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a good higher for the Giants.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to get into analysis
Speaker 1: of the Deable higher right now. I guess it's now
Speaker 1: or never. It does make sense, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting in the reporting that UM and I think
Speaker 1: there's some fortunity involved, fortunity involved for Daniel Jones given
Speaker 1: the draft class and the free agent market that it
Speaker 1: looks like he's going to get another shot here with
Speaker 1: a real offensive coordinator who just built out Josh Allen's career,
Speaker 1: helped build it out. Uh. So you have a a
Speaker 1: new GM and Joe Shane. That's aligned to the head
Speaker 1: coach from the same organization, and now they get to
Speaker 1: chance to do the Josh Allen treatment to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: If I'm a Giants fan, I'm feeling optimistic, although concerned
Speaker 1: about the latest story that came out surrounding Brian Forest.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I don't know if I am
Speaker 1: feeling optimistic. I the one thing that I find is
Speaker 1: rarely well, it's it's a bit of a can be
Speaker 1: a trap. Is hot coordinator X goes to new team
Speaker 1: minus like m v P level quarterback Y and is
Speaker 1: going to fix hot and cold quarterback Z. I just
Speaker 1: it doesn't often work. And I want to see if
Speaker 1: they even give Daniel Jones the fifth year option. I
Speaker 1: do feel like because the Giants have done this in
Speaker 1: the past with their coaches, you know, you know, Eli
Speaker 1: Manning would be an example kind of forcing Brian Dable
Speaker 1: to you know, work with Daniel Jones, not that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't in this season, but like I see it as
Speaker 1: a one year experiment and get out of it or
Speaker 1: if he continues for sure, right, yeah, they they could
Speaker 1: easily not give him the extension and that and he
Speaker 1: could still have a chance to have a long term
Speaker 1: future there like, I think that's a totally reasonable way
Speaker 1: to go at the fifth year option. That is, I
Speaker 1: believed Abel he was. He spoke very highly Dania Jones.
Speaker 1: I guess what's he gonna say. But I think that's
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they hired him. I don't
Speaker 1: mind Daniel Jones. I would like to see him in
Speaker 1: a in a better situation. I think he showed some
Speaker 1: progress last year. I just think if you're looking at
Speaker 1: the market as a whole, unless you're ready to go
Speaker 1: swinging for these Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers types or
Speaker 1: who knows what Watson like, I think Dana Jones is
Speaker 1: a completely reasonable option over everyone else that's available. That
Speaker 1: actually I wouldn't mind seeing that. It's really the offensive
Speaker 1: line and the scheme. I think that needs to be
Speaker 1: fixed more than anything in your county undable to do that. Look,
Speaker 1: he had Josh Allen for for two years before it
Speaker 1: really started getting going, so it's tricky. But Dana Jones
Speaker 1: has been in the league for three years. I think
Speaker 1: he's a worthy ty to try out like it compared
Speaker 1: to a Jamus or a Teddy or a Garoppolo, Why
Speaker 1: why not try it out with with Daniel Jones. I
Speaker 1: think Dabel got a lot of credit and rightfully so. Yes,
Speaker 1: Josh allen Is is ultimately the engine that made that
Speaker 1: offense special in his development. But Dabel uh and not
Speaker 1: just being there from the ground floor with Alan, but
Speaker 1: he will even after some ups and downs in the
Speaker 1: first two years, they went into that third year in
Speaker 1: and kind of changed the offense and said we're putting
Speaker 1: it more on this kid and putting our faith in him,
Speaker 1: and they were much more aggressive attack and I think
Speaker 1: Dabel saw something in Alan and helped develop him. So
Speaker 1: there's no slam dunks. I know exactly what you're saying, Mark,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he is kind of a a
Speaker 1: safe pick and I just think it's a functional setup
Speaker 1: because he has a relationship with the gym as well.
Speaker 1: It feels like the Giants maybe getting on the right
Speaker 1: track at least from coach and upstairs personnel. Um, that's
Speaker 1: that part, that part, and you know we've hammered that
Speaker 1: home with all of these that matters the most. Um,
Speaker 1: they were never in sync. In fact, I think it's
Speaker 1: instructive that um day Ball actually got on the phone
Speaker 1: with Joe Judge to ask about like his former employer
Speaker 1: who about to hire him and still took the job.
Speaker 1: So I mean, not that he wouldn't know, but it's
Speaker 1: like there was, you know, they worked together a long time.
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't think about Davil as a Belichick guy,
Speaker 1: but he's absolutely a Belichick guy. Had two different stints,
Speaker 1: worked for more than ten years with the Patriots organization,
Speaker 1: then kind of saw his star rise when he went
Speaker 1: to go work with Nick Saban and come back. So
Speaker 1: it's like we'll get to McDaniels in the second. People,
Speaker 1: all the failures on the Belichick coachy tree, it hasn't
Speaker 1: stopped owners uh from continuing to give it, to give
Speaker 1: it a shot. One quick thing on this is that
Speaker 1: the Giants tried to hire Ken Dorsey away from the Bills.
Speaker 1: That was Josh Allen's quarterback coach. They wanted him to
Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator. The Bill stepped up, according to reports, financially,
Speaker 1: and they kept Ken Dorsey. Josh Allen had publicly stumped
Speaker 1: to keep Dorsey, and it sounded like that that made
Speaker 1: a difference and they ended up like matching what would
Speaker 1: have been a pretty big raise, I guess from the
Speaker 1: Giants and he's staying in Buffalo. It's funny how having
Speaker 1: a playoff and two year run like Josh Allen gives
Speaker 1: you a louder voice in the room. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has been talking about all this time. Yes,
Speaker 1: we mentioned Josh McDaniels, the longtime offensive coordinator, an architect
Speaker 1: of the New England Patriots offensive man who knows Tom
Speaker 1: Brady very sea. This is all connected in a in
Speaker 1: a in a big picture away. Let's galaxy brain this
Speaker 1: thing and see how it's all of one. It's like that. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's like the p C A movie Mark Magnolia. It's
Speaker 1: like everything is connected. The frogs are about to fall
Speaker 1: from the sky. Josh mcdanie and I love that Amy
Speaker 1: Man song too, but we're all singing it together, like
Speaker 1: the first minutes in the last ten. That's a classic.
Speaker 1: That's right up there with a boogie in a big spot.
Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, the Raiders see, we give you everything,
Speaker 1: football analysis and a little film critique, just a little dash,
Speaker 1: just the show. I'll tell you, I've watched Liquorice Pizza
Speaker 1: Dan on your record, you finally did one of the
Speaker 1: best films I've seen in a long time. I thought
Speaker 1: you would like it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to and
Speaker 1: I'm looking well, let's stay on the PC A kick aroun, Greg.
Speaker 1: One of your favorite films, Phantom Thread. I finally sat
Speaker 1: down and watched that about a month ago, and quite enjoyable,
Speaker 1: beautifully made picture, but also I found it interesting trying
Speaker 1: to figure out why Greg Rosenthal connected with it on
Speaker 1: the level he did. So we're gonna save that for
Speaker 1: the offseas. Extremely rewatchable, um brilliant Punch Drunk Love another
Speaker 1: great one, but not to the level of Phantom Threat.
Speaker 1: But the Las Vegas after Banger Yes have hired Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels as their new head coach. The former Pats offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator is getting another shot in a head coaching chair
Speaker 1: of the Raiders also hired Patriots Director player personnel Dave
Speaker 1: Ziggler as their general manager, so very similar deal with
Speaker 1: with Buffalo. Big names in Buffalo going to the Giants,
Speaker 1: big names with the Pats head to the Raiders. McDaniels,
Speaker 1: of course flopped uh in his two years stint as
Speaker 1: head coach of the Broncos and two thousand, he famously
Speaker 1: walked out on a handshake agreement to become the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Indianapolis Colts a few years back, and
Speaker 1: I remember there was much handrying about how he had
Speaker 1: just lit his future on fire, would never be a
Speaker 1: coach again. Well guess what he is. Here's what McDaniels
Speaker 1: had to say. Things are different now than when I
Speaker 1: was head coach the last time. You know, when I
Speaker 1: went to Denver, Um, you know, I knew a little
Speaker 1: bit of football. Um, I didn't. I didn't really know people. Uh,
Speaker 1: And how important that aspect um of of this process
Speaker 1: and maintaining the culture and building the team was. And
Speaker 1: um and I and I failed and I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't succeed at it, and so um, looking at
Speaker 1: that experience has been one of the best things, uh,
Speaker 1: in my life in terms of my overall growth as
Speaker 1: a as a person, as a coach. Alright, So here's
Speaker 1: if he's if he needs to be better as a
Speaker 1: person to person type communicator, he's gonna have potential challenge
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, because there's some bubbling behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that the raiders of many of the players
Speaker 1: were they were big on Bisaccia and what he had
Speaker 1: brought to that team. After Gruten resigned in disgrace. Uh
Speaker 1: in October Mark, So uh will they get on board
Speaker 1: the Josh McDaniels. Probably, But that's kind of a tricky
Speaker 1: way to start your tender. All the guys like the
Speaker 1: old coach. Yeah, I mean, it's the it's the very
Speaker 1: unusual scenario where the new hire has to somehow outshine
Speaker 1: the interim coach and what he did down the stretch,
Speaker 1: which is win over the entire team because of who
Speaker 1: Rich Pisaccio was. And I think there's been questions about
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Okay, look when he hasn't been with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: That Broncos team was a disaster in multiple ways. He
Speaker 1: went to the Rams in St. Louis for one year
Speaker 1: and had the thirty second ranked offense in terms of
Speaker 1: points outside of New England. Three of US four worst
Speaker 1: seasons as an OC have been with three other team
Speaker 1: or two other teams, So I think that needs to
Speaker 1: be proven. But he let's he he graces over the
Speaker 1: fact that part of the Denver Broncos meltdown was a
Speaker 1: videotaping scandal where they taped the forty nine ers during
Speaker 1: before a game in London with San Francisco. So when
Speaker 1: I hear it, well, where exactly this, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: The people think I'm mature. People do change. I do
Speaker 1: think he's probably learned a lot about coaching since then,
Speaker 1: But I would I would tag it with this. When
Speaker 1: I think of the Raiders when they were in Oakland,
Speaker 1: when I think of the Los Angeles Raiders and even
Speaker 1: the Raiders in Vegas, what is more countercultural to everything
Speaker 1: we know about the Raiders and over these past decades
Speaker 1: than the Patriot way. It feels like an odd fit.
Speaker 1: I know Mark Davis wants these names, wants these guys,
Speaker 1: but you're going in with a scenario where again you're saying,
Speaker 1: we'll make it, we'll make it work with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: You've gotta figure out if you're gonna extend Derek Carr
Speaker 1: if he wants that. But I think the players get
Speaker 1: in line. I think the fit is an one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Seeing McDaniels there with the with the black and white
Speaker 1: suit and black helmet looked. It looks weird, and I
Speaker 1: get why they would want to hire him. I think
Speaker 1: he's a great offensive coach. I think he's really good
Speaker 1: at adapting his game plan week to week. Obviously it
Speaker 1: helps with having Tom Brady, you know, for most of
Speaker 1: your career. But I think the work he did with
Speaker 1: mac Jones helped him get this job. He wanted that
Speaker 1: charger's job last year, and to LESCo had worked with
Speaker 1: the Colts before and they didn't want to talk to
Speaker 1: him because because of that experience. So that hurt him
Speaker 1: there um, but it didn't hurt him here. I think
Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a good higher and I
Speaker 1: do believe him that he really likes the idea of
Speaker 1: Derek cart because car seems like a good fit for
Speaker 1: what they want to do. I think it takes a
Speaker 1: a quarterback who wants to win before the snap um
Speaker 1: to win that way. If you're going to change your
Speaker 1: offense each and every week, there'll be more unpredictable. And
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr could could be that guy. But
Speaker 1: you said it, Mark, he's entering the last year of
Speaker 1: his contract. He's he's underpaid relative to league average for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He'll he'll be one of, if not the cheapest veteran
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the entire NFL. If they didn't upgrade his
Speaker 1: contract or give him an extension, and so that's that's
Speaker 1: the first thing that that he's going to have to handle.
Speaker 1: And I think it's good that he's going with like
Speaker 1: another Patriots guy there, Ziegler, because I think one of
Speaker 1: his big his biggest problem in Denver was not just
Speaker 1: dealing with the players, but dealing with his bosses, with
Speaker 1: his GM at the time, in his ownership, and that's
Speaker 1: what got him blown out there. I mean, they were
Speaker 1: He did have a couple of moments. Do you remember
Speaker 1: there was I think it was a Monday night football game,
Speaker 1: but I might be wrong with McDaniels getting to five
Speaker 1: and oh and doing these fist pumps jumping down the
Speaker 1: sidelines right and everybody everyone was like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: the new boy Wonder and it all collapsed like almost
Speaker 1: immediately after that. I think that was a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, but he was running up and
Speaker 1: down the field and one of the biggest like it
Speaker 1: almost felt like it almost smelling comparity of an NFL
Speaker 1: coach celebrating it was was back scream in there somewhere
Speaker 1: as I recall, um, all right, well, and by the way,
Speaker 1: make a decision on car and just do it either
Speaker 1: give give them money. I would say, give him the money, ye,
Speaker 1: give them a new contract, or trade him because guess
Speaker 1: what you would get a nice bundle back this particular
Speaker 1: offseason for Derek Carr. I do believe um, and he's
Speaker 1: a treatable asset. Don't don't play this out and then
Speaker 1: maybe tag him or go into some protracted uh contract
Speaker 1: negotiation Like this seems like a time to make a
Speaker 1: decision on Derek Carr one way or the other. One
Speaker 1: quick thing. I'm just the I had a great I
Speaker 1: had a great transition set up. It was gonna be
Speaker 1: so good you can I'm gonna say, speaking of make
Speaker 1: a decision the Jacksonville Jaguars. But now it's all lost, Greg,
Speaker 1: this better be good. It is good. It's it's the
Speaker 1: brain drain in in New England. I know people have
Speaker 1: left over the years, but think of who have been
Speaker 1: the most important people to Belichick in the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's Nick Assario, It's Josh McDaniels, It's Dante Scarneckia, and
Speaker 1: it's Ernie Adams. Those are the four guys that were
Speaker 1: there with him basically throughout all the winning those four
Speaker 1: guys and they're all gone. And I do think there's
Speaker 1: something to that has he developed like this next wave
Speaker 1: of coaches and front office guys to be like the
Speaker 1: guys like we'll see like maybe he brings back Joe
Speaker 1: Judger Forest like those are a couple of other guys,
Speaker 1: but those guys do Scarneckia, McDaniels, Cassario, Ernie Adams like
Speaker 1: those were his like four horsemen and they were all gone.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's a bad passmaster, and I think it
Speaker 1: does that passes. I think that was good insight on
Speaker 1: one of the more well known franchises in football. On
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum, one of the least
Speaker 1: known as franchises and football see not as good. So
Speaker 1: we we gotta think what do we gain? You know,
Speaker 1: what did we lose? I mean, we gained some great nuggets.
Speaker 1: Well I'm the I'm listening to you guys just go on,
Speaker 1: and it's like we gained great nuggets from Greg. But Dan,
Speaker 1: I think you had you're a showman and the show,
Speaker 1: your show was you had to kind of do a
Speaker 1: second run maybe with not we need to start, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the zoom thing since we're still taping remotely where
Speaker 1: it's like I press at my hand raised, So you know,
Speaker 1: I need to like get in one more thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys, we've not to ruin the flow of the show.
Speaker 1: Another one and now and now we got her coming in.
Speaker 1: But at nine here, you guys just have talked so
Speaker 1: much that I need to insert a break right here.
Speaker 1: That old man retired and then the atomic bomb was
Speaker 1: dropped on our league. It's not our fault. I think
Speaker 1: Greg had that take about New England. So let's take
Speaker 1: a break. All right, we're back speaking of something something
Speaker 1: something blah blah blah. Sports. The Jacksonville Jaguars, they're winding
Speaker 1: search for a coach continues. They will conduct a second
Speaker 1: interview with former Eagles head coach Doug Peterson. Peterson was
Speaker 1: in the building like a month ago and had, according
Speaker 1: to Bert Breer of mm QB, trepidation over the setup
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, UH, implying there might be you know, heat
Speaker 1: around somehow. Trent balky still being the GM there. We
Speaker 1: heard a similar thing about Byron Leftwich, who at one
Speaker 1: point looked like he was going to get the job,
Speaker 1: but he supposedly didn't want to be involved with Trent
Speaker 1: Balki as GM. Uh. There's also Rich Besaccia is in
Speaker 1: the mix. He looked like he was going to become
Speaker 1: the special teams coach of the Bears. But then the
Speaker 1: Jags were like, hey, bro, you want to come in.
Speaker 1: You want to maybe be the head coach. We're up
Speaker 1: to I think ten ten double digit head coach interviews
Speaker 1: now with Peterson now being the guy that makes some
Speaker 1: logical sense, but Mark for a job that is on
Speaker 1: some level as alluring as being the head coach of
Speaker 1: I know. Now it feels like it's a little bloom
Speaker 1: off the rose. But there shouldn't be Trevor Lawrence a
Speaker 1: transcendent prospect. Uh. Nobody seems to really be running towards
Speaker 1: Jacksonville to get a big chair. That's how it feels, right.
Speaker 1: And they have interviewed um Rick Spielm in the form
Speaker 1: of Vikings GM for what they call a high level
Speaker 1: front office position. I wonder if that turns into maybe
Speaker 1: just the general manager position. If if this Trent Balki.
Speaker 1: I don't know him personally, obviously, but I can't really
Speaker 1: recall a more universally disclike um individual in terms of reports.
Speaker 1: But Houston front office maybe there's a But they're kind
Speaker 1: of in the same tree. It almost feel like Trent
Speaker 1: Balky also went away for a long time and then
Speaker 1: he's come back and he's still very unpopular. So it's enduring.
Speaker 1: But um it shows against what we're talking about, the
Speaker 1: marrying two people that can work together. And the one
Speaker 1: thing I think about Sean conn You know, early on
Speaker 1: the Jaguars run, it was like this team's innovative there
Speaker 1: into international football. They want to be collaborate. They X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z there, So even though they weren't winning,
Speaker 1: it was like you can sort of see it and
Speaker 1: it's maybe revolutionary, but they keep getting this wrong over
Speaker 1: and over and it just seems to me if you're
Speaker 1: onto your multiple multiple multiple head coach and GM, have
Speaker 1: you not figured out the unification of these two positions.
Speaker 1: If you look around the league, that's where it works
Speaker 1: over and over, And instead they've got a guy in
Speaker 1: there that people dislike, openly report after report trying to
Speaker 1: shove a head coach to work with him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like a disaster. It's been some tough reporting
Speaker 1: out there. I mean the reporting was they had three finalists,
Speaker 1: one of them is now the head coach of the Broncos.
Speaker 1: One of them, was it ever? Flus was now the
Speaker 1: coach of the Bears, and the third one was reported
Speaker 1: to be taking the job along with that's left which
Speaker 1: along with uh an executive Adrian Wilson from Arizona. That
Speaker 1: clearly isn't happening like and then they opened the finalists
Speaker 1: round again. It's just if you're a Jaguars fan and
Speaker 1: I follow I feel more than my fair share of
Speaker 1: Jaguars reporters and fans on Twitter because I had that
Speaker 1: call out. I don't know if you remember early in
Speaker 1: the year of like, oh, who's a good um, who's
Speaker 1: some good Jaguars people to follow? And I got a
Speaker 1: lot of great suggestions John Shipley's great, many other great
Speaker 1: ones and UH, and it's been it's tough scene. It's
Speaker 1: been a tough couple of weeks for these Jaguars fans.
Speaker 1: They are going crazy in other coaching news. I hesitate here,
Speaker 1: UM if you could hear it, UH to dig into
Speaker 1: this because it feels like it could happen any time
Speaker 1: and UM, maybe we'll have a more thorough conversation about it.
Speaker 1: But the name is big enough where we should at
Speaker 1: least get it on the radar for this show. That
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is a finalist for the Vikings head coaching vacancy.
Speaker 1: That's that's from NFL Networks Mike Gara Folo. Gara Folo
Speaker 1: reports that Harbor is quote deep in the process of
Speaker 1: vying for the team's head coaching spot as he prepares
Speaker 1: for a interview that will take place on Wednesday. He
Speaker 1: is currently the head coach UH for the University of Michigan,
Speaker 1: where he's had some success, just like he had a
Speaker 1: success with the forty Niners before that. There is a
Speaker 1: new general manager, obviously, Rick Spielman out in Minnesota. Quest
Speaker 1: A Dopho Mensa is now um the GM and they
Speaker 1: were both in the forty Niners organization together. So connect
Speaker 1: those dots as always so hard bought to the Vikings.
Speaker 1: If I'm a Vikings fan, I'm into the idea of it.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they could get their man. It's interesting
Speaker 1: that he's going to Minnesota and meeting with him. I
Speaker 1: mean that to me indicates it just feels like one
Speaker 1: of those business deals that they're not going to be
Speaker 1: meeting unless there's a good chance of closing the deal
Speaker 1: that they've already done. A lot of Minneapolis in February
Speaker 1: is pretty tough. Were well, Plus he's the coach of
Speaker 1: the Michigan Wolverine is like one of the best college
Speaker 1: football teams. So to get this far down the road
Speaker 1: during recruiting season, you know, our guy Ian Rapports said
Speaker 1: there were at one point there were three finalists for
Speaker 1: the Vikings job. One of them Demiko Ryan's has taking
Speaker 1: his name out uh Reportedly. The other two coach for
Speaker 1: the Rams Raheem Morris and Kevin O'Connell. Uh, neither one
Speaker 1: of which can be officially hired because they're still playing
Speaker 1: and can no longer Like interview, just just feels like
Speaker 1: if they can close the deal, this this could be hard, boss,
Speaker 1: So get ready. I mean, we got a lot of
Speaker 1: enjoyment out of the Mike Zimmer Kirk Cousins relationship ship
Speaker 1: slash non relationship. I do wonder what a Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins because Jim Harbaugh, like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he burnt out in San Francisco at the end there,
Speaker 1: and I think that he's a guy that, like his
Speaker 1: message is gonna run hot for a series of time
Speaker 1: and then it he's not going to be there after.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't tell me it doesn't sound fun. Though.
Speaker 1: This feels like something that's gonna make the NFL more
Speaker 1: fun to cover one of the one of the weirder personalities. Um,
Speaker 1: he's very bizarre with with the press. I mean, I
Speaker 1: enjoy it, but Kirk Cousins is like a glass of milk,
Speaker 1: and so it's like the two of them don't totally
Speaker 1: feel Um. Remember remember when the Hardbull Bowl happened. It
Speaker 1: was forty Niners Ravens super Bowl forty seven, I believe
Speaker 1: it was, and and Jim John was like handling all
Speaker 1: the media. Obviously there's gonna be a lot of media
Speaker 1: crushed because they were brothers against each other's super Bowl,
Speaker 1: something that has never happened before. John went along with
Speaker 1: it and then went on to win the game. Good
Speaker 1: for him. Jim was a total weirdo the entire week.
Speaker 1: We we had a front row seat because we're covering
Speaker 1: press conferences. Jim was never even like they were. You know,
Speaker 1: they had the hardballed dad up there and Jim was
Speaker 1: trying to get off the stage. He is, he's wired differently.
Speaker 1: But I think like there had been connections to Harbow,
Speaker 1: to New York teams in recent years. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know about all that you put them up in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: That feels like this this could incredible success too. I
Speaker 1: mean with Alex Smith with Colin Kaepernick, that's one of
Speaker 1: the boldest and best quarterback decisions and changes. It's in
Speaker 1: a history the NFL. The fact he didn't go back
Speaker 1: to Alex Smith and it works so well offensively, Shanahan,
Speaker 1: maybe you should have paid attention going including yeah, including
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think it felt like it was
Speaker 1: like things were changing in Michigan when the Ravens hired
Speaker 1: the Michigan defensive coordinator Mike McDonald to be their defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator this week, and someone made the joke like, well,
Speaker 1: just like everyone you know, Mike McDonald of the Two
Speaker 1: Harbor Brothers likes John better. But I think there's a
Speaker 1: little more than that, you know. I think there's like
Speaker 1: a little more than that. He literally let his top
Speaker 1: coach go to the Ravens. Like that sounds like a
Speaker 1: man ready to say bye. Um. Finally in the news,
Speaker 1: gotta love it, Joe, thisman Washington football team legend. He's
Speaker 1: in the Ring of Honor. You know, he's a big deal.
Speaker 1: He's a Super Bowl champion, longtime media dude. He went
Speaker 1: on the Damon amundel Aria. That's a tough one. I've
Speaker 1: always struggled his name. Gonna call h d A because
Speaker 1: the DA he calls himself d A CBS radio and
Speaker 1: he he let ones. He let one slip. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean, you know, like a gas issue. This something
Speaker 1: else happened. There was a slip. The Commanders is a
Speaker 1: is a name that you know, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a hopefully one that people will talk about going forward.
Speaker 1: All right, So, yeah, you like the Commanders as the
Speaker 1: new team name. Huh? You know, I mean there were
Speaker 1: there were so many different options. But once again, you know,
Speaker 1: it's trademark infringement. It's it's getting approval from different people.
Speaker 1: It's you know, if you choose a name, is there
Speaker 1: a group out there that isn't gonna like it? I mean,
Speaker 1: And then this just this just made me laugh. Then Joe,
Speaker 1: who seemingly unaware of the Washington is supposed to be
Speaker 1: announcing the name of the new the new team team name,
Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow, just starts talking about commanders and what
Speaker 1: a commander is, which is funny. A lot of commanders
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And the Pentagon and a lot
Speaker 1: of different branches of this service. And so to me,
Speaker 1: that's sort of the way I'm looking at it as
Speaker 1: as the positions of leadership when it comes to then
Speaker 1: a lot of commanders, you know down there in the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: Of course, then the Washington Times reaches out like, hey, Joe,
Speaker 1: so I guess you just let the cat out of
Speaker 1: the bag. He's like, I'm gonna hamna, No, I know what,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll find out tomorrow it's the commanders. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're I guess an NFL podcast, So you know, don't
Speaker 1: come after us. We're not reporting it. But Joe Thsman
Speaker 1: already told us. Let's know, he talked to He talked
Speaker 1: for two minutes, just assuming everyone already knew it was
Speaker 1: the commanders. That just Joe thought it was Wednesday. Maybe
Speaker 1: he got his mixed because it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a first of all, it's it's a typical Joe Thiesmand moment.
Speaker 1: I missed West on this show like I missed us
Speaker 1: every day. I miss him being able to put Tom
Speaker 1: Brady in perspective. I'd like to hear what he would say,
Speaker 1: And I miss him for this story, because Joe Tisman
Speaker 1: opening his mouth and saying too much was kind of
Speaker 1: a thing West would talk about and note for forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Hiesman had a bizarre broadcasting career and
Speaker 1: a bizarre playing career in which saying things that ended
Speaker 1: up getting the organization in trouble was like kind of
Speaker 1: what he did. So it's almost perfect that this is
Speaker 1: how the name is getting out. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: NFL branding is top secret stuff. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: like that's the whole thing. Why did they Why did
Speaker 1: the inner circle who knew that this commander's name and like,
Speaker 1: give me a break, which name dropping the Pentagon, Like
Speaker 1: that's pure white driven snow. Enough with that business. But
Speaker 1: the idea that Joiman anti government is brought into the
Speaker 1: inner circle as a secret keepers that shows you that
Speaker 1: that Washington is not figured out entirely how to run
Speaker 1: its own well, they gotta like tell them, you're right.
Speaker 1: They should have just said show up at at two
Speaker 1: pm at the press conference and we'll see you there, Joe.
Speaker 1: And I'm not you know, waving a flag as a
Speaker 1: patriot mark. But I don't think he was saying anything
Speaker 1: specifically about the Pentagon is a pure as the driven
Speaker 1: snow entony. He just said there's a lot of commanders
Speaker 1: in Washington, D C. And the Pentagon. Well that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that that those are their titles.
Speaker 1: So anyway, when the news comes out and there the
Speaker 1: you know, the Washington you know Robbins or whatever, I like,
Speaker 1: I don't, then you're gonna find out this is all
Speaker 1: much ado about nothing but Joe good good to know
Speaker 1: you never change um. All right, I think we got everything.
Speaker 1: It turned into a supersize Tuesday show. That's not what
Speaker 1: we aim for typically, but mark that somehow sometimes that's
Speaker 1: just the way things go. We are we are incapable
Speaker 1: of doing a show under eighty five minutes, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know what supersizes or regular size at this point.
Speaker 1: It is what we do and we will not cease.
Speaker 1: You sound enthusiastic about the product in the podcast and
Speaker 1: being a part of it, No I am. I'm claiming
Speaker 1: more fact that we keep talking and we continue like,
Speaker 1: hey will be a nice tight forty five minutes to
Speaker 1: a and then another forty minutes goes on top of it.
Speaker 1: If they listen, enjoy it. I'm happy that it's that
Speaker 1: long double it. Let's make more time, more more ads,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm really looking for, you know, someone
Speaker 1: getting rich, some commander and the Pentagon getting that. I
Speaker 1: still want to know what Mark was so mad at
Speaker 1: during the Brady back and forth, but I think it
Speaker 1: was just generally my opinions. I think that. No, I
Speaker 1: don't even at this point, I don't even remember back
Speaker 1: that far. So it was two days ago in Mark's defense,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady retired. That's such old news. Now, No, dude,
Speaker 1: you're still recording that same episode. Oh really, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll be back Thursday. So I think it's our annual
Speaker 1: don't say the super Bowl episode. We we we will
Speaker 1: not utter that that phrase on Thursday's show, but we
Speaker 1: will be talking about something, presumably, and it will take
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half to do. So I
Speaker 1: think we can do on Thursday. Let's see. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It's not that it's not that
Speaker 1: I have an issue Dan with the actual length of
Speaker 1: the show. It's this, it's this mystical conceit we go
Speaker 1: in with that. It's you know, i'll tell someone, I'll
Speaker 1: be someone in an hour and then I'm forty five
Speaker 1: minutes late because this show is a hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: seven minutes long. Who you got? Who are you meeting
Speaker 1: up with later? I've learned to say that I can
Speaker 1: meet no one ever. Now that's my new I've learned
Speaker 1: by now, You're you're where by now? And would you
Speaker 1: end the show? Just take us like, just let's go
Speaker 1: all right until Thursday. Eat the car see spe