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Speaker 1: morning and let's go. Let's go, baby, tom Brady first

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Speaker 1: NFL touchdown. Tom Brady probably is never tried to engineer.

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Speaker 1: It drives more improbable than this. He steps up, throws

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Speaker 1: it was going to better sing toss. The White Patria

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Speaker 1: Brady is a Super Bowl champion again for the record

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Speaker 1: setting seventh time. The greatest player who ever lived has

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, probably unanimous, Probably definitely unanimously.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady has ended the greatest career in the history

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. That's coming from a Jets fan. Twenty

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Speaker 1: a team competitor. A guy who went to ten Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls won seven of them. And boys, as we begin

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Speaker 1: a very special edition of the Around the NFL Podcast

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Speaker 1: and hands Us with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Greg,

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Speaker 1: I think this stat kind of some things up there.

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Speaker 1: You can't sum everything up with Tom Brady's career, which

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Speaker 1: ended today with an official Instagram announcement with just one note,

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Speaker 1: but this kind of gives you an idea. When Brady

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Speaker 1: season with the Patriots, he was the youngest starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: with the Bucks, he was the oldest starting quarterback to

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Speaker 1: ever win a super Bowl forty three. He never gradual declined, Greg, No,

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Speaker 1: he never declined in that motivation that you gave he

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Speaker 1: There you go. He never declined. And I think there's

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Speaker 1: by a forty two year old quarterback in the hit

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Speaker 1: And that was him actually looking like he was proven

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Speaker 1: you right, Dan, a gradual decline and then to go

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Speaker 1: and this year he would have gotten my vote for

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Speaker 1: m VP. Reasonable minds can disagree, but certainly one of

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Speaker 1: I mean this is a guy that like, essentially, I

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Speaker 1: of the best years that we will ever have, and

432
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: everybody in the league is lucky to see that. And

433
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: he has been been on my favorite team besides Jets

434
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: fans and other fans that have lost. But but listen,

435
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: we are lucky to have witnessed this type of greatness.

436
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: So am I I thankful? Is Boston so thankful and appreciative? Yes,

437
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: there's no argument about that whatsoever. People were rooting for

438
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: him as a buck because they loved Tom Brady so much.

439
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: But yes, was this a snub and was this intentional?

440
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: My point is he was gone two years ago and

441
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the rest of our lives for him

442
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: to say nice things. He stiffed the Patriots. That's there's

443
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: no way around it. There's no other way. But that also,

444
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that that's where we should be,

445
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: like dwelling on this conversation. I just thought it was

446
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: minutes on it. Well, I think you played a role

447
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: in that, Greg, I think that the bigger pictures still obviously,

448
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let's I just want to read another thing.

449
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys where the numbers just blow

450
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: you away. He finished with a two and forty three

451
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: and seventy three regular season record, thirty five and twelve

452
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, when three MVP Awards selected to the

453
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl fifteen times, of course, the one pick in

454
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: two thousand. I'll say one more thing, And you're right, Greg,

455
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: they hold the voting at the end of the regular season.

456
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: But we could get a little we can get a

457
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: little tricky on this one, especially considering who's gonna end

458
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: up winning the award. We can we can make some

459
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: moves here. I wouldn't be against it. I just want

460
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: to hear Marcus so mad about He's been very angry

461
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: to not get in knowing I'm listening, keep going. I

462
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: like I I'm hearing what Dan says. I would like

463
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: to see if Aaron Rodgers wins this m v P,

464
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: I will be extremely annoyed. He is not the m

465
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: v P on any level. I would I would. I

466
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: don't know how you do this, rejigger the vote. I

467
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: know he is because the people books. I give it

468
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady open to blow up the books, write

469
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: a new book, and let's just get this right and

470
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: everyone can go go to the bar and giggle about

471
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: what they just did and we won't know how it happened. Um,

472
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: I my last start on this, and then you guys

473
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: please also if you have something else to share, because

474
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: we do have to move on. There's a lot of

475
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: other NFL news as well, uh as we look ahead,

476
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: the personnel carousel and of course Super Bowl fifty six.

477
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think he's in this category.

478
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: I think he's in the Babe Ruth Michael Jordan's Tom

479
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: Brady Cady. I think he is in that like all

480
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: time holy sector of American athletes, just because of all

481
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: the accomplished and how he did it differently than anyone else.

482
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: And I think unique is the word to me that

483
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: best describes his career because there was no decline. There

484
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: was when it looked like there might have been one,

485
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: he said, no, I'm going to change and flip the script.

486
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: And there was part of a savvinus to to Brady

487
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: as well. Maybe he would have stayed in a bit

488
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: of a sustained decline if he was with the Patriots

489
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: when they were kind of retooling in a tough spot,

490
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: but knowing when to maybe say let me jump here

491
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay and revitalize things. I think that was

492
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: a brilliant bit of personal maneuvering as well. So he

493
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: annoyed me, he killed me, He destroyed me for years

494
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: and years and years. But I really do think um,

495
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: like Mark, you and I have worked at the company

496
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: since two thousand and ten. Greg, you've been with us

497
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: since two thousand thirteen. You covered and went to Super bowls. Uh,

498
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: and like we got to see this and cover Brady

499
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: in this back half of his career and go to

500
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: numerous Super Bowls, including three, including the Malcolm Butler game,

501
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: including even like I was saying earlier, the Eagles game,

502
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: where uh, you know, to be on the losing side,

503
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: but that made that game even more interesting. You know

504
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: that the Giants Super Bowls. It was just I'm lucky

505
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: to be able to have covered him. I have to

506
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: say that I'm with you. Like, um, I was just

507
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: trying to think about the fact that most of my

508
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady memories are not about like these compiled stats

509
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: and like his forties versus other people's twenties. That's all relevant, obviously,

510
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: but like I remember being in the locker room after

511
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: he lost the Giants the second time and seeing like

512
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: literal anguish on his face as he took long minutes

513
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: trying to peel his socks off his injured body, and

514
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: like he was, you know, I know you hate this,

515
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: but Jim Gray was sitting next to him, and like,

516
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Brady just looked very upset. I mean, I think about

517
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: the time like years later when he beat the Rams,

518
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he thought, this is the last

519
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: time we do this with the Patriots and the Super

520
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Bowl and he was going up to individual teammates in

521
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: the locker room and not just give him a high five,

522
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: like it was like two or three minute long conversations

523
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: looking into their eyes. He was a genuine person. And

524
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: if you defied him, because there was one time that

525
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I remember trying to defy the greatness of Tom Brady,

526
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: he you will pay the price. It was twenty three

527
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: against the Falcons and I had to write this little

528
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You know, you must write some feature

529
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: coming out of the game, so I had write. I

530
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: wrote one at halftime. I got about seventeen hundred words

531
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: into how the Patriots defense let the team down. And

532
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: even by the end of the third quarter, I was telling,

533
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, editor David Eally, I think, um, this still

534
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: works if they hold on, and we were both starting

535
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: to question the concept of it. And as the minutes

536
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: kept going, I started to realize I had been banged

537
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: in the biggest spots. I don't even have a column

538
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: at this point. I went against Tom Brady, and you

539
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: pay when you do that. He is on that mountaintop

540
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: with Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan's He's on the top

541
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: of it. That's that's how I remember Tom Brady is

542
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: the Mark uh post game filing after I'm just saying

543
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: it's personal moments like good and bad, like things you

544
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: learn about how fierce he was. You know, I had

545
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: about five words on Dion Jones and the and the

546
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: Falcon speedy linebackers. I think in that game speaks In

547
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: that game, no one expected them to come back, but

548
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that game speaks to something. Check Row, which I totally

549
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: agreed with, was like, the greatest thing in sports is

550
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: when you expect something improbable on paper to happen from

551
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: like a great, truly great player, and it does. And

552
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: he brought up that that Seahawks moment as as the

553
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: best as what he thought was the best moment his career,

554
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: and I thought so too. But there's just so many

555
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: There's so many others, and football is funny because it

556
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: is such a team sport. You can't divorce Belichick in

557
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: Brady totally, and you can't divorce Brady from everything that

558
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: happened in New England. But on some level it does

559
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: come down to the cliche of like are you gonna

560
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: make that drive at the end of the game, Like

561
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: are you gonna do it or or not? And he

562
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: will always be the greatest at that one of the best,

563
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes it did come and last one of, if

564
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: not the best drive of his life was two thousand

565
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: seven against the Lions. They got the ball back down three,

566
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything all day with about eight minutes to go,

567
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: hadn't and and he goes down the field ten fifteen

568
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: plays six minutes to go up four on on Eli Manning.

569
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Because because that was the game where they felt every

570
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: bit of pressure that they were man handled up front.

571
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Even after that drive, they didn't top three hundred yards

572
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: of offense. Yet when he was put with his back

573
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: against the wall, more than any other moment I thought

574
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: of his entire career, that drive started inside the tent.

575
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: He went down the field and he got that touchdown

576
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: to Randy Moss to go take the lead and try

577
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: to be the hero. And it didn't work out for

578
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: him that day because because the defense didn't finish it off.

579
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: And that's how football goes like that's he lost his

580
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: best Super Bowl performance, as you mentioned against the Eagles.

581
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was good, but he just like gets

582
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: but he just kept going back and he kept going

583
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: in that position, and even in a game like that

584
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: Rams game again after that interception when they absolutely needed

585
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: a drive to get it done. They changed what they

586
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: did offensively all game, they changed the formation. He he he

587
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: knows what the Rams are gonna do in terms of adapting.

588
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: And even on a day that was was bad, compared

589
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: to that a f C Championship where he lit up

590
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Bones, that's the moment where you have to go

591
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: make that drive. If you're Tom Brady, everyone expected him

592
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: to do it. He throws it to Gronk and he

593
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: does it, and he adds another super Bowl. It's just

594
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: like that guy delivered by the way, Eli has no dummy.

595
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: When he comes out today and records a video message

596
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: saying Tom, You're the best ever. He's doing it for

597
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Eli because he beat Tom and the Super Bowl twice.

598
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: If Peyton doesn't need to be the best, Tom's the

599
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: best because it brings it up. He has the same

600
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: joke every time. He's like, thanks for letting me have

601
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: a couple. Yeah, and why not? As he said, I

602
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: know the Bucks would have to cut him. And then

603
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: there's money issues and all this kind of stuff. And

604
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: I obviously there's so much behind the scenes with their

605
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: relationship and everything, but like, just part of me, not

606
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: all of me, is like I wish he would like officially,

607
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: like sign a one day contract with the Pats, and

608
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I know how improbable that is and retire. Remember what

609
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: we talked about ten minutes ago. I know, I don't

610
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: think that's I don't think it is at all, but

611
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: it is if it also seems like a move by lesser,

612
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: lesser stars or lesser at like they come back like

613
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, hey, they were a five year career in Atlanta.

614
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: They went like to Kansas City for two years, fell

615
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: off the map, and then they go back and have

616
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: that ceremony at like six in the morning on a

617
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Wednesday with the Falcons. It's like, all right, let's move on.

618
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: They gotta have their moments. They're gonna have their moments together.

619
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Ricky and I have no doubts about that. Him and

620
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: into the future have some doubts. We'll see what Let's

621
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: see what happens. But I want to ask you guys this,

622
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: do you think there's any way he comes back? Yes,

623
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: it's Brady. You never know. Absolutely. I'll tell you why.

624
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why because if I have one concern,

625
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and I've stated this before, the way that Tom Brady

626
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: is built, I think his intentions are genuine and pure.

627
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: For wanting to go um, be with the family, be

628
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: with the kids. But I am concerned about like a

629
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: dull Milieu um um, you know, at post football and

630
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: sort of just staring out windows like it's gonna be

631
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: awesome for about four weeks. Then it's like, wait a minute, what,

632
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: there's no what do I win? Now? What do I do?

633
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: It's like, you're still the best quarterback in the room,

634
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: has nothing left to prove. I don't. I don't think so.

635
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: It's why we won the quickest sandwiches we've ever won

636
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: in this show off once it's once it even brought

637
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: into his mind that he was thinking about it. He

638
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: just seems like the type two walk away. And I

639
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: am happy as just like a Brady fan that that

640
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: he didn't go out on that. Ultimately he was right.

641
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, for all the people in New England that

642
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: were mad at Belichick, and I wasn't one of them.

643
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I was on the wrong side here. I thought that

644
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: was the time to make the divorce because I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to see the decline. Like he was right. He

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was right and he proved it right. And

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Speaker 1: that is like an ultimate exclamation point to end his

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Speaker 1: career with Ricky and Dan. What happens to Greg when

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Speaker 1: at some point in his adulthood, um going forward, he

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Speaker 1: to get off the plane into an airport. He is

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Speaker 1: going to be destroyed by the Pats. Fans are right

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Speaker 1: there giving advice to to maybe Ellis where she's like

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Speaker 1: she gets her heartbroken for the first time, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, we all get our hearts broken. And he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: don't be sad, it's over, Like be happy it happened.

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Speaker 1: And she's like sobbing on the bedroom floor. It's like, Dad,

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Speaker 1: you suck, you suck. You're not helping anything. You sound

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Speaker 1: like like a thirteen year old girl right now, So

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Speaker 1: do you every day? All Right, everybody calmed down. I

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Speaker 1: know it's an emotional day for Patriots fans across the world.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady has retired after twenty two years. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take a break. There is other things going on

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Speaker 1: at upwork dot com and explosive bit of news came

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Speaker 1: down while we were having our Tom Brady discussion. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: Don Brady. Tom Brady is connected to this story as well.

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Speaker 1: Former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores is suing the NFL

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Speaker 1: and teams within the NFL that he says have engaged

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Speaker 1: in systemic racism uh practices against black coaches. Flora's name,

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Speaker 1: the league, the Dolphins, the Giants, as well as the

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Speaker 1: Broncos and John Doe teams one to twenty nine is

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Speaker 1: defendants in the lawsuit. It's a clash class action complaint,

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Speaker 1: which means other coaches. Uh, we're assuming obviously other black

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Speaker 1: coaches or coaches of color could join him in the

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Speaker 1: suit if they wish. Uh. There are some crazy boys

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Speaker 1: um revelations here and allegations. The suit says that the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins his former employer. Of course, the Dolphins fired Flora's

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Speaker 1: after his third season with the team despite having a

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Speaker 1: winning record. Flora says that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered

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Speaker 1: to pay him an extra one hundred thousand per loss

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Speaker 1: during the twenty nineteen season. That was the season when

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Speaker 1: they started off poorly, and everyone assumed it was a

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Speaker 1: tank job. Ross wanted the Dolphins to lose enough games

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Speaker 1: to secure the first overall pick in the draft. The

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Speaker 1: Dolphins improved that season as it went along, apparently not

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Speaker 1: or allegedly not to Stephen Ross's liking. Flores also alleged

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Speaker 1: that Ross tried to get him to recruit a quote

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Speaker 1: prominent quarterback who was under contract to another team. So

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Speaker 1: this would have happened UH two off seasons ago. That

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Speaker 1: would have been a violation in the league tampering rules

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Speaker 1: if that player was under contract, which he most certainly

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Speaker 1: was at the time. Flora says he refused to be

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Speaker 1: a part of that situation. The lawsuit also says the

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Speaker 1: Jet the Giants scheduled an interview with Flora's last week

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Speaker 1: to comply with the Rooney rule, even though they already

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Speaker 1: knew they were going to hire Brian Dable as head coach. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He finds out about it Flora's because Bill Belichick mistakenly

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Speaker 1: texts him under the impression that Brian Dable is the

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Speaker 1: higher for the Giants. He had been misinformed it was obviously, um,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Brian Flores is the higher. He had been misinformed.

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Speaker 1: It was Brian Dable getting hired so and finally, just

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Speaker 1: to put a bow on the Bronco side of it,

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Speaker 1: Flora's contends of three years ago he was involved in

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Speaker 1: the same type of sham process with Denver when they

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Speaker 1: hired Vic vic Fajio. And here's a statement from Flora's.

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Speaker 1: In making the decision to file the class action complaint today,

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Speaker 1: I understand that I might be risking coaching the game

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Speaker 1: that I love and that has not done so much

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Speaker 1: for my family and me. My sincere hope is that

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Speaker 1: by standing up against systemic racism in the NFL, others

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Speaker 1: will join me to ensure that positive change is made

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Speaker 1: for generations to come. Greg This is on the day

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Speaker 1: that Tom Brady officially announces his retirement. This is a

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Speaker 1: massive bombshell, and it's to reverberate across the league. It

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Speaker 1: is remarkable. I'm still trying to digest it and where

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Speaker 1: to start. If you've ever heard Brian Flores talk um

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Speaker 1: about racism, about what it's like to be a black man,

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Speaker 1: a black coach in this country, this fits right in

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Speaker 1: with it. Like he is, he is one of um

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Speaker 1: the most passionate and like intelligent speakers on that topic,

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Speaker 1: and he is not a man that you would want

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Speaker 1: to mess with, I think in this arena, and I

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Speaker 1: think Stephen Ross is finding that out. That that's where

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Speaker 1: we'll I'll start with it, just because that allegation that

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Speaker 1: his owner offered to pay him extra money for every

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00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: loss that they had goes against the competitive um rules

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Speaker 1: and everything that the league is supposed to stand. And

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Speaker 1: so that that's that's it's it's separate from the racist

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Speaker 1: hiring practice. And we can get to the Belichick bills thing,

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Speaker 1: which is probably those are probably the two the two

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Speaker 1: biggest things in this uh story. But that that is

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Speaker 1: an explosive allegation and cuts to the core and is

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Speaker 1: and is the NFL's worst nightmare. Really, this story is

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Speaker 1: on two fronts, and and that's one of those two friends.

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Speaker 1: Right if the runing rules started, and it did with

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Speaker 1: good intentions to make a change, I mean, there is

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Speaker 1: has been fairly been suspicion around how it's been used

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Speaker 1: year after year, and like you, there hasn't been you know,

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Speaker 1: tangible Syrian anecdotes like this about the fact that certain

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Speaker 1: candidates are brought in. But you get a sense that

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Speaker 1: team a already knows who they want. Now we have

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Speaker 1: these anecdotes, and um, if Brian Flores, I think you

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Speaker 1: could argue that Flores is putting himself in his in

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Speaker 1: a position where it could impact his own career. But

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Speaker 1: to Greg's point, he believes in these topics, He's not alone. Um,

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Speaker 1: the league needs to change the numbers, show that they

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Speaker 1: vet that out. And it is it goes down to

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, even beyond Stephen Ross, it

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Speaker 1: is an ownership issue. It is. It is clearly an

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Speaker 1: ownership issue and who they hire, how the practicing of

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Speaker 1: hiring goes down. It's been a black mark on the

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Speaker 1: eye of the NFL for years and years. It continues

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Speaker 1: to be And this is I mean, this is sort

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Speaker 1: of everyone that's been looking at this for years and

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Speaker 1: years saying, we know this is happening. This report, these

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Speaker 1: anecdotes are are are basically bricks being dropped. He's got screens,

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Speaker 1: He's got screenshots that are public now of the Belichick

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Speaker 1: interaction and how that played out. Was Belichick congratulate him,

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Speaker 1: thinking he had the job, and it turns out that

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Speaker 1: Belichick and they have Belichick's all of his responses, which

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Speaker 1: is fascinating that he misunderstood the text that he was

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Speaker 1: getting that out of there There there, Dan's story there

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Speaker 1: there now, and he said, sorry, I I f this

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Speaker 1: up by double checked. I misread the text. I think

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Speaker 1: they are naming Dable. I'm sorry about that. Be but

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Speaker 1: before days before Flora's interviewed, I mean, and it all

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Speaker 1: check tough because Joe Shane, Joe Shane is the GM

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Speaker 1: who the Giants hired who worked with Devil. Basically, they

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Speaker 1: knew when they hired Joe Shane that they were going

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Speaker 1: to hire Devil as their head coach, and they had

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Speaker 1: to go through with what Flores is rightly pointing out

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Speaker 1: was was a sham Rooney rule interview. This is incredibly

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Speaker 1: um admirable, I think Brian Flores, because yes, this has

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Speaker 1: been an issue, a glaring issue for the league for years,

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Speaker 1: that it's a predominantly black league players wise, but the

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Speaker 1: head coaching ranks are predominantly white, and we're not seeing

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Speaker 1: progress in that realm even though they put they enacted

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Speaker 1: the Rooney rule, which if you're not aware of what

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Speaker 1: the Rooney rule is, it means if you are making

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Speaker 1: any head coach higher. And I think they expanded this

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Speaker 1: now to front office as well. You have to bring

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Speaker 1: in a person of color, uh for to interview as

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Speaker 1: well to give to try to level the playing field.

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Speaker 1: But it is proven to be something that doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to really um lead to a true increase in the

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Speaker 1: number of coaches, because it bears out when you look

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Speaker 1: at it every year. And and the reason bringing this

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Speaker 1: to light and in this manner and dropping a bombshell

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Speaker 1: on the league, that's the type of stuff that can

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Speaker 1: actually lead to tangible change. So I really admire that.

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Speaker 1: And and and I also admire because he's coming off a

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Speaker 1: three year run in Miami that was largely successful. And

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Speaker 1: if he didn't get another head coaching job this year, um,

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Speaker 1: he probably would have gotten one next year. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know where this goes from table for Flora's, but

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Speaker 1: it could go down a road where he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: another head coaching job because that's just what we've seen

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Speaker 1: from the league. Look at Colin Kaepernick is a prominent example.

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Speaker 1: So he's putting himself out there and I think it

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Speaker 1: says a lot about his character. Also one other thing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you you want to know who loved

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores, his players. I mean there were one after

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Speaker 1: the one after the next, glowing report from the players

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Speaker 1: who loved to Brian Flores was and every time he

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Speaker 1: got one of these head coaching interviews during this cycle.

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Speaker 1: Of course, what else is in our mind the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Dolphins put out concepts and ideas that Brian

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Speaker 1: Flores was tough to work with, that he um didn't

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Speaker 1: go along with the plan, He wasn't collaborative. That that's

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Speaker 1: rough stuff to put out there about a coaching candidate.

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Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, all this was happening. Come on,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. But yes, if this that would

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Speaker 1: give If this turns out to be true, and we'll see,

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Speaker 1: maybe it gets proven, who knows, that would give us

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Speaker 1: a lot of context too. Yes, those reports that came

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Speaker 1: out when he was let go of how he was

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Speaker 1: difficult to work with, the meeting with the unnamed, uh

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Speaker 1: prominent free agent or a quarterback which you know, connect dots,

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Speaker 1: it could be Tom Brady if you if you line up.

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Speaker 1: When Tom Brady became a free agent and eventually signed

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Speaker 1: with the Bucks, there was a meeting on a yacht

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Speaker 1: and in the lawsuit, he walks off the yacht when

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Speaker 1: he's uh, the yacht of the owner, Stephen Ross, when

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Speaker 1: he he sees what's trying to be set up a

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Speaker 1: meeting between a prominent quarterback, the owner and the head

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Speaker 1: coach to do something that shouldn't have been done because

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Speaker 1: you can't tamper with the player currently under contract with

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Speaker 1: another team. This is this is a crazy story. This

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Speaker 1: is I like, now looking at now we've been doing this.

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Speaker 1: We're going into our tense season. I like the biggest

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Speaker 1: stories of the A t N are the biggest game

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Speaker 1: of the A t R, all that stuff. This one

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Speaker 1: could end up being right up there. It has that

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Speaker 1: many layers and could have the repercussions that could really

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Speaker 1: shake the league. Well one thing, yeah, I think of

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Speaker 1: who it involves. It involves the Giants, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of the league, Tiffany Brands, And involves a Dolphins team

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Speaker 1: and a powerful owner and Stephen Ross, and and separate

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Speaker 1: from the hiring really goes out of you know. Part

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Speaker 1: of the the intent, I think is to show people

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Speaker 1: who the who the Dolphins are because those that these

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Speaker 1: those allegations of the Dolphins don't have to do with hiring,

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Speaker 1: They have to do with how they're running their business.

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Speaker 1: The it said that they were pushing floor as the

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Speaker 1: ownership was pushing flooras to recruit this prominent quarterback late

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Speaker 1: in the season. You're right, then, I think you can

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Speaker 1: you know, connect the dots of who who that likely

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Speaker 1: is in that. Yeah, this yacht meeting that the owner

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Speaker 1: set up where the quarterback just happened to be in

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Speaker 1: the area, took took Flora's by surprise. Um, he is

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Speaker 1: currently Flora's a finalist for the Houston Texans coaching job.

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Speaker 1: He he was um a fine an interview with the

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Speaker 1: Bears too, in addition to the Giants, so that Texans

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Speaker 1: searches actually ongoing, and he was one of three people

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Speaker 1: brought back for a second interview. So that's just one more.

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Speaker 1: Don't think he's going to get that job. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that's just my my feeling. But if if they hired

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Speaker 1: Josh McCown i, which feels like a strong possibility, I

864
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Speaker 1: think that goes to what he's talking about on a

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Speaker 1: bigger level, and which in which is more the point

866
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Speaker 1: If you read what this suit starts with in all

867
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Speaker 1: the stats of the lack of black coaches in the league,

868
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: that that that speaks to his point if Josh McCown

869
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Speaker 1: gets a head coaching job over him. Whoa, this is

870
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: a big one, A big one. People are very uncomfortable

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: right now in various buildings across the league. I know,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, what is I wonder what Bill belt

873
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: check it's thinking, there's just finding I want to see

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00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: more Bill Belichick text. I want to see. I mean,

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00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: you can be they're they're they're pretty basic. There, they're

876
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: pretty basic. They see he signs it with BB. He

877
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: just says he signs, which is a classic. Oh he

878
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: signs his text. That's such a boomer move. Does he

879
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 1: does he have an iPhone? Ricky? Yeah? Good, good good.

880
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't want another Colleen situation. Android right,

881
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: all right? And if you know, we do this podcast

882
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: multiple times a week through the off season, so buckle up,

883
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: Marky boy, we gotta we got a subplot to track. Now.

884
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Speaker 1: You thought it was gonna get quiet, and no, I

885
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: don't think it's. In fact, I only expect every NFL

886
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: offseason to get incrementally more Madhouse from the one previous.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. That was News and Notes presented

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Speaker 1: up work dot com. All right, yes, now we get

890
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: to the part of the show that would have started

891
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: the show if Tom Brady hadn't retired and Brian Flores

892
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: news didn't happen exactly. All right, Brian Dable is the

893
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: coach in the New York Giants. We're gonna play some

894
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: sound from that. But that doesn't that feels a little

895
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: weird now, Like, well, I will say this, I mean

896
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Speaker 1: Dable Dabele deserves UM this opportunity based on what he's done,

897
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: uh in Buffalo, and this is a big moment for him,

898
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Speaker 1: and I think it's a good higher for the Giants.

899
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to get into analysis

900
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: of the Deable higher right now. I guess it's now

901
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: or never. It does make sense, and I thought it

902
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: was interesting in the reporting that UM and I think

903
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: there's some fortunity involved, fortunity involved for Daniel Jones given

904
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: the draft class and the free agent market that it

905
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: looks like he's going to get another shot here with

906
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: a real offensive coordinator who just built out Josh Allen's career,

907
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: helped build it out. Uh. So you have a a

908
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: new GM and Joe Shane. That's aligned to the head

909
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: coach from the same organization, and now they get to

910
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 1: chance to do the Josh Allen treatment to Daniel Jones.

911
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: If I'm a Giants fan, I'm feeling optimistic, although concerned

912
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: about the latest story that came out surrounding Brian Forest.

913
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I don't know if I am

914
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: feeling optimistic. I the one thing that I find is

915
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: rarely well, it's it's a bit of a can be

916
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: a trap. Is hot coordinator X goes to new team

917
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: minus like m v P level quarterback Y and is

918
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: going to fix hot and cold quarterback Z. I just

919
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't often work. And I want to see if

920
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: they even give Daniel Jones the fifth year option. I

921
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: do feel like because the Giants have done this in

922
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: the past with their coaches, you know, you know, Eli

923
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: Manning would be an example kind of forcing Brian Dable

924
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Speaker 1: to you know, work with Daniel Jones, not that he

925
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't in this season, but like I see it as

926
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Speaker 1: a one year experiment and get out of it or

927
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: if he continues for sure, right, yeah, they they could

928
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: easily not give him the extension and that and he

929
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: could still have a chance to have a long term

930
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: future there like, I think that's a totally reasonable way

931
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: to go at the fifth year option. That is, I

932
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Speaker 1: believed Abel he was. He spoke very highly Dania Jones.

933
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: I guess what's he gonna say. But I think that's

934
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they hired him. I don't

935
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Speaker 1: mind Daniel Jones. I would like to see him in

936
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: a in a better situation. I think he showed some

937
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: progress last year. I just think if you're looking at

938
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: the market as a whole, unless you're ready to go

939
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: swinging for these Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers types or

940
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: who knows what Watson like, I think Dana Jones is

941
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: a completely reasonable option over everyone else that's available. That

942
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: actually I wouldn't mind seeing that. It's really the offensive

943
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: line and the scheme. I think that needs to be

944
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: fixed more than anything in your county undable to do that. Look,

945
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: he had Josh Allen for for two years before it

946
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: really started getting going, so it's tricky. But Dana Jones

947
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: has been in the league for three years. I think

948
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: he's a worthy ty to try out like it compared

949
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: to a Jamus or a Teddy or a Garoppolo, Why

950
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: why not try it out with with Daniel Jones. I

951
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: think Dabel got a lot of credit and rightfully so. Yes,

952
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: Josh allen Is is ultimately the engine that made that

953
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: offense special in his development. But Dabel uh and not

954
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: just being there from the ground floor with Alan, but

955
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: he will even after some ups and downs in the

956
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: first two years, they went into that third year in

957
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: and kind of changed the offense and said we're putting

958
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: it more on this kid and putting our faith in him,

959
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: and they were much more aggressive attack and I think

960
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Dabel saw something in Alan and helped develop him. So

961
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: there's no slam dunks. I know exactly what you're saying, Mark,

962
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: but I feel like he is kind of a a

963
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: safe pick and I just think it's a functional setup

964
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: because he has a relationship with the gym as well.

965
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: It feels like the Giants maybe getting on the right

966
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: track at least from coach and upstairs personnel. Um, that's

967
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: that part, that part, and you know we've hammered that

968
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: home with all of these that matters the most. Um,

969
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: they were never in sync. In fact, I think it's

970
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: instructive that um day Ball actually got on the phone

971
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Speaker 1: with Joe Judge to ask about like his former employer

972
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Speaker 1: who about to hire him and still took the job.

973
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: So I mean, not that he wouldn't know, but it's

974
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: like there was, you know, they worked together a long time.

975
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Speaker 1: I mean, people don't think about Davil as a Belichick guy,

976
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: but he's absolutely a Belichick guy. Had two different stints,

977
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Speaker 1: worked for more than ten years with the Patriots organization,

978
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: then kind of saw his star rise when he went

979
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: to go work with Nick Saban and come back. So

980
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: it's like we'll get to McDaniels in the second. People,

981
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: all the failures on the Belichick coachy tree, it hasn't

982
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: stopped owners uh from continuing to give it, to give

983
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: it a shot. One quick thing on this is that

984
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: the Giants tried to hire Ken Dorsey away from the Bills.

985
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: That was Josh Allen's quarterback coach. They wanted him to

986
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator. The Bill stepped up, according to reports, financially,

987
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: and they kept Ken Dorsey. Josh Allen had publicly stumped

988
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: to keep Dorsey, and it sounded like that that made

989
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: a difference and they ended up like matching what would

990
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: have been a pretty big raise, I guess from the

991
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Giants and he's staying in Buffalo. It's funny how having

992
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: a playoff and two year run like Josh Allen gives

993
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: you a louder voice in the room. Maybe that's what

994
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has been talking about all this time. Yes,

995
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: we mentioned Josh McDaniels, the longtime offensive coordinator, an architect

996
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: of the New England Patriots offensive man who knows Tom

997
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: Brady very sea. This is all connected in a in

998
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: a in a big picture away. Let's galaxy brain this

999
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: thing and see how it's all of one. It's like that. Uh,

1000
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: it's like the p C A movie Mark Magnolia. It's

1001
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: like everything is connected. The frogs are about to fall

1002
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: from the sky. Josh mcdanie and I love that Amy

1003
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: Man song too, but we're all singing it together, like

1004
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: the first minutes in the last ten. That's a classic.

1005
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: That's right up there with a boogie in a big spot.

1006
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, the Raiders see, we give you everything,

1007
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: football analysis and a little film critique, just a little dash,

1008
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: just the show. I'll tell you, I've watched Liquorice Pizza

1009
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Speaker 1: Dan on your record, you finally did one of the

1010
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: best films I've seen in a long time. I thought

1011
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: you would like it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to and

1012
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking well, let's stay on the PC A kick aroun, Greg.

1013
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: One of your favorite films, Phantom Thread. I finally sat

1014
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: down and watched that about a month ago, and quite enjoyable,

1015
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: beautifully made picture, but also I found it interesting trying

1016
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Speaker 1: to figure out why Greg Rosenthal connected with it on

1017
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the level he did. So we're gonna save that for

1018
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: the offseas. Extremely rewatchable, um brilliant Punch Drunk Love another

1019
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: great one, but not to the level of Phantom Threat.

1020
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: But the Las Vegas after Banger Yes have hired Josh

1021
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: McDaniels as their new head coach. The former Pats offensive

1022
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: coordinator is getting another shot in a head coaching chair

1023
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: of the Raiders also hired Patriots Director player personnel Dave

1024
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: Ziggler as their general manager, so very similar deal with

1025
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: with Buffalo. Big names in Buffalo going to the Giants,

1026
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: big names with the Pats head to the Raiders. McDaniels,

1027
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: of course flopped uh in his two years stint as

1028
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: head coach of the Broncos and two thousand, he famously

1029
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: walked out on a handshake agreement to become the head

1030
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: coach of the Indianapolis Colts a few years back, and

1031
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: I remember there was much handrying about how he had

1032
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: just lit his future on fire, would never be a

1033
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: coach again. Well guess what he is. Here's what McDaniels

1034
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: had to say. Things are different now than when I

1035
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: was head coach the last time. You know, when I

1036
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: went to Denver, Um, you know, I knew a little

1037
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: bit of football. Um, I didn't. I didn't really know people. Uh,

1038
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: And how important that aspect um of of this process

1039
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: and maintaining the culture and building the team was. And

1040
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: um and I and I failed and I didn't you know,

1041
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I didn't succeed at it, and so um, looking at

1042
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: that experience has been one of the best things, uh,

1043
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: in my life in terms of my overall growth as

1044
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: a as a person, as a coach. Alright, So here's

1045
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: if he's if he needs to be better as a

1046
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: person to person type communicator, he's gonna have potential challenge

1047
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, because there's some bubbling behind

1048
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: the scenes that the raiders of many of the players

1049
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: were they were big on Bisaccia and what he had

1050
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: brought to that team. After Gruten resigned in disgrace. Uh

1051
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: in October Mark, So uh will they get on board

1052
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: the Josh McDaniels. Probably, But that's kind of a tricky

1053
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: way to start your tender. All the guys like the

1054
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: old coach. Yeah, I mean, it's the it's the very

1055
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: unusual scenario where the new hire has to somehow outshine

1056
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: the interim coach and what he did down the stretch,

1057
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: which is win over the entire team because of who

1058
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: Rich Pisaccio was. And I think there's been questions about

1059
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Okay, look when he hasn't been with the Patriots.

1060
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: That Broncos team was a disaster in multiple ways. He

1061
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: went to the Rams in St. Louis for one year

1062
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: and had the thirty second ranked offense in terms of

1063
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: points outside of New England. Three of US four worst

1064
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: seasons as an OC have been with three other team

1065
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: or two other teams, So I think that needs to

1066
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: be proven. But he let's he he graces over the

1067
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: fact that part of the Denver Broncos meltdown was a

1068
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: videotaping scandal where they taped the forty nine ers during

1069
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: before a game in London with San Francisco. So when

1070
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: I hear it, well, where exactly this, I don't understand.

1071
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: The people think I'm mature. People do change. I do

1072
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: think he's probably learned a lot about coaching since then,

1073
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: But I would I would tag it with this. When

1074
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: I think of the Raiders when they were in Oakland,

1075
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: when I think of the Los Angeles Raiders and even

1076
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: the Raiders in Vegas, what is more countercultural to everything

1077
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: we know about the Raiders and over these past decades

1078
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: than the Patriot way. It feels like an odd fit.

1079
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: I know Mark Davis wants these names, wants these guys,

1080
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: but you're going in with a scenario where again you're saying,

1081
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: we'll make it, we'll make it work with Derek Carr.

1082
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: You've gotta figure out if you're gonna extend Derek Carr

1083
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: if he wants that. But I think the players get

1084
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 1: in line. I think the fit is an one. Yeah.

1085
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: Seeing McDaniels there with the with the black and white

1086
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: suit and black helmet looked. It looks weird, and I

1087
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: get why they would want to hire him. I think

1088
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: he's a great offensive coach. I think he's really good

1089
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: at adapting his game plan week to week. Obviously it

1090
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: helps with having Tom Brady, you know, for most of

1091
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: your career. But I think the work he did with

1092
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: mac Jones helped him get this job. He wanted that

1093
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: charger's job last year, and to LESCo had worked with

1094
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: the Colts before and they didn't want to talk to

1095
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: him because because of that experience. So that hurt him

1096
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: there um, but it didn't hurt him here. I think

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00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a good higher and I

1098
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: do believe him that he really likes the idea of

1099
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: Derek cart because car seems like a good fit for

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00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: what they want to do. I think it takes a

1101
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback who wants to win before the snap um

1102
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: to win that way. If you're going to change your

1103
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: offense each and every week, there'll be more unpredictable. And

1104
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr could could be that guy. But

1105
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: you said it, Mark, he's entering the last year of

1106
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: his contract. He's he's underpaid relative to league average for quarterbacks.

1107
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: He'll he'll be one of, if not the cheapest veteran

1108
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the entire NFL. If they didn't upgrade his

1109
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: contract or give him an extension, and so that's that's

1110
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: the first thing that that he's going to have to handle.

1111
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's good that he's going with like

1112
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: another Patriots guy there, Ziegler, because I think one of

1113
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: his big his biggest problem in Denver was not just

1114
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: dealing with the players, but dealing with his bosses, with

1115
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: his GM at the time, in his ownership, and that's

1116
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: what got him blown out there. I mean, they were

1117
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: He did have a couple of moments. Do you remember

1118
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: there was I think it was a Monday night football game,

1119
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: but I might be wrong with McDaniels getting to five

1120
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: and oh and doing these fist pumps jumping down the

1121
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: sidelines right and everybody everyone was like, wow, this is

1122
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: the new boy Wonder and it all collapsed like almost

1123
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: immediately after that. I think that was a Sunday afternoon

1124
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, but he was running up and

1125
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: down the field and one of the biggest like it

1126
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: almost felt like it almost smelling comparity of an NFL

1127
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: coach celebrating it was was back scream in there somewhere

1128
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: as I recall, um, all right, well, and by the way,

1129
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: make a decision on car and just do it either

1130
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: give give them money. I would say, give him the money, ye,

1131
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: give them a new contract, or trade him because guess

1132
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: what you would get a nice bundle back this particular

1133
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: offseason for Derek Carr. I do believe um, and he's

1134
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: a treatable asset. Don't don't play this out and then

1135
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: maybe tag him or go into some protracted uh contract

1136
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: negotiation Like this seems like a time to make a

1137
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: decision on Derek Carr one way or the other. One

1138
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: quick thing. I'm just the I had a great I

1139
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: had a great transition set up. It was gonna be

1140
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: so good you can I'm gonna say, speaking of make

1141
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: a decision the Jacksonville Jaguars. But now it's all lost, Greg,

1142
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: this better be good. It is good. It's it's the

1143
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: brain drain in in New England. I know people have

1144
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: left over the years, but think of who have been

1145
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: the most important people to Belichick in the last twenty years.

1146
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: It's Nick Assario, It's Josh McDaniels, It's Dante Scarneckia, and

1147
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: it's Ernie Adams. Those are the four guys that were

1148
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: there with him basically throughout all the winning those four

1149
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: guys and they're all gone. And I do think there's

1150
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: something to that has he developed like this next wave

1151
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: of coaches and front office guys to be like the

1152
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: guys like we'll see like maybe he brings back Joe

1153
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: Judger Forest like those are a couple of other guys,

1154
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: but those guys do Scarneckia, McDaniels, Cassario, Ernie Adams like

1155
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: those were his like four horsemen and they were all gone.

1156
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: Right now, that's a bad passmaster, and I think it

1157
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: does that passes. I think that was good insight on

1158
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: one of the more well known franchises in football. On

1159
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum, one of the least

1160
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: known as franchises and football see not as good. So

1161
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: we we gotta think what do we gain? You know,

1162
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: what did we lose? I mean, we gained some great nuggets.

1163
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Well I'm the I'm listening to you guys just go on,

1164
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: and it's like we gained great nuggets from Greg. But Dan,

1165
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: I think you had you're a showman and the show,

1166
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: your show was you had to kind of do a

1167
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: second run maybe with not we need to start, you know,

1168
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: doing the zoom thing since we're still taping remotely where

1169
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: it's like I press at my hand raised, So you know,

1170
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: I need to like get in one more thing. You know,

1171
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: you guys, we've not to ruin the flow of the show.

1172
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Another one and now and now we got her coming in.

1173
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: But at nine here, you guys just have talked so

1174
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: much that I need to insert a break right here.

1175
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: That old man retired and then the atomic bomb was

1176
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: dropped on our league. It's not our fault. I think

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01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: Greg had that take about New England. So let's take

1178
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: a break. All right, we're back speaking of something something

1179
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: something blah blah blah. Sports. The Jacksonville Jaguars, they're winding

1180
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: search for a coach continues. They will conduct a second

1181
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: interview with former Eagles head coach Doug Peterson. Peterson was

1182
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: in the building like a month ago and had, according

1183
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: to Bert Breer of mm QB, trepidation over the setup

1184
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, UH, implying there might be you know, heat

1185
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: around somehow. Trent balky still being the GM there. We

1186
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: heard a similar thing about Byron Leftwich, who at one

1187
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: point looked like he was going to get the job,

1188
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: but he supposedly didn't want to be involved with Trent

1189
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: Balki as GM. Uh. There's also Rich Besaccia is in

1190
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: the mix. He looked like he was going to become

1191
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: the special teams coach of the Bears. But then the

1192
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: Jags were like, hey, bro, you want to come in.

1193
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: You want to maybe be the head coach. We're up

1194
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: to I think ten ten double digit head coach interviews

1195
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: now with Peterson now being the guy that makes some

1196
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: logical sense, but Mark for a job that is on

1197
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: some level as alluring as being the head coach of

1198
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: I know. Now it feels like it's a little bloom

1199
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: off the rose. But there shouldn't be Trevor Lawrence a

1200
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: transcendent prospect. Uh. Nobody seems to really be running towards

1201
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: Jacksonville to get a big chair. That's how it feels, right.

1202
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: And they have interviewed um Rick Spielm in the form

1203
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: of Vikings GM for what they call a high level

1204
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: front office position. I wonder if that turns into maybe

1205
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: just the general manager position. If if this Trent Balki.

1206
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know him personally, obviously, but I can't really

1207
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: recall a more universally disclike um individual in terms of reports.

1208
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: But Houston front office maybe there's a But they're kind

1209
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: of in the same tree. It almost feel like Trent

1210
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: Balky also went away for a long time and then

1211
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: he's come back and he's still very unpopular. So it's enduring.

1212
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: But um it shows against what we're talking about, the

1213
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: marrying two people that can work together. And the one

1214
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: thing I think about Sean conn You know, early on

1215
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: the Jaguars run, it was like this team's innovative there

1216
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: into international football. They want to be collaborate. They X,

1217
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 1: Y and Z there, So even though they weren't winning,

1218
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: it was like you can sort of see it and

1219
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 1: it's maybe revolutionary, but they keep getting this wrong over

1220
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: and over and it just seems to me if you're

1221
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: onto your multiple multiple multiple head coach and GM, have

1222
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: you not figured out the unification of these two positions.

1223
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: If you look around the league, that's where it works

1224
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: over and over, And instead they've got a guy in

1225
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: there that people dislike, openly report after report trying to

1226
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: shove a head coach to work with him. I mean,

1227
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: it seems like a disaster. It's been some tough reporting

1228
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: out there. I mean the reporting was they had three finalists,

1229
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: one of them is now the head coach of the Broncos.

1230
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: One of them, was it ever? Flus was now the

1231
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: coach of the Bears, and the third one was reported

1232
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: to be taking the job along with that's left which

1233
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: along with uh an executive Adrian Wilson from Arizona. That

1234
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: clearly isn't happening like and then they opened the finalists

1235
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: round again. It's just if you're a Jaguars fan and

1236
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: I follow I feel more than my fair share of

1237
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: Jaguars reporters and fans on Twitter because I had that

1238
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: call out. I don't know if you remember early in

1239
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: the year of like, oh, who's a good um, who's

1240
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: some good Jaguars people to follow? And I got a

1241
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: lot of great suggestions John Shipley's great, many other great

1242
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: ones and UH, and it's been it's tough scene. It's

1243
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: been a tough couple of weeks for these Jaguars fans.

1244
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: They are going crazy in other coaching news. I hesitate here,

1245
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: UM if you could hear it, UH to dig into

1246
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: this because it feels like it could happen any time

1247
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: and UM, maybe we'll have a more thorough conversation about it.

1248
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: But the name is big enough where we should at

1249
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: least get it on the radar for this show. That

1250
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is a finalist for the Vikings head coaching vacancy.

1251
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: That's that's from NFL Networks Mike Gara Folo. Gara Folo

1252
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: reports that Harbor is quote deep in the process of

1253
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: vying for the team's head coaching spot as he prepares

1254
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: for a interview that will take place on Wednesday. He

1255
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: is currently the head coach UH for the University of Michigan,

1256
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 1: where he's had some success, just like he had a

1257
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: success with the forty Niners before that. There is a

1258
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: new general manager, obviously, Rick Spielman out in Minnesota. Quest

1259
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: A Dopho Mensa is now um the GM and they

1260
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: were both in the forty Niners organization together. So connect

1261
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: those dots as always so hard bought to the Vikings.

1262
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: If I'm a Vikings fan, I'm into the idea of it.

1263
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: We'll see if they could get their man. It's interesting

1264
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: that he's going to Minnesota and meeting with him. I

1265
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: mean that to me indicates it just feels like one

1266
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: of those business deals that they're not going to be

1267
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: meeting unless there's a good chance of closing the deal

1268
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: that they've already done. A lot of Minneapolis in February

1269
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: is pretty tough. Were well, Plus he's the coach of

1270
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: the Michigan Wolverine is like one of the best college

1271
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: football teams. So to get this far down the road

1272
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: during recruiting season, you know, our guy Ian Rapports said

1273
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: there were at one point there were three finalists for

1274
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: the Vikings job. One of them Demiko Ryan's has taking

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Speaker 1: his name out uh Reportedly. The other two coach for

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Speaker 1: the Rams Raheem Morris and Kevin O'Connell. Uh, neither one

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Speaker 1: of which can be officially hired because they're still playing

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Speaker 1: and can no longer Like interview, just just feels like

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Speaker 1: if they can close the deal, this this could be hard, boss,

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Speaker 1: So get ready. I mean, we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: enjoyment out of the Mike Zimmer Kirk Cousins relationship ship

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Speaker 1: slash non relationship. I do wonder what a Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins because Jim Harbaugh, like, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: he burnt out in San Francisco at the end there,

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Speaker 1: and I think that he's a guy that, like his

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Speaker 1: message is gonna run hot for a series of time

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Speaker 1: and then it he's not going to be there after.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't tell me it doesn't sound fun. Though.

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Speaker 1: This feels like something that's gonna make the NFL more

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: fun to cover one of the one of the weirder personalities. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's very bizarre with with the press. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, but Kirk Cousins is like a glass of milk,

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Speaker 1: and so it's like the two of them don't totally

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Speaker 1: feel Um. Remember remember when the Hardbull Bowl happened. It

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Speaker 1: was forty Niners Ravens super Bowl forty seven, I believe

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Speaker 1: it was, and and Jim John was like handling all

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Speaker 1: the media. Obviously there's gonna be a lot of media

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Speaker 1: crushed because they were brothers against each other's super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: something that has never happened before. John went along with

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Speaker 1: it and then went on to win the game. Good

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: for him. Jim was a total weirdo the entire week.

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Speaker 1: We we had a front row seat because we're covering

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01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: press conferences. Jim was never even like they were. You know,

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01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: they had the hardballed dad up there and Jim was

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: trying to get off the stage. He is, he's wired differently.

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Speaker 1: But I think like there had been connections to Harbow,

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: to New York teams in recent years. It's like, I

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01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know about all that you put them up in Minnesota.

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01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: That feels like this this could incredible success too. I

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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: mean with Alex Smith with Colin Kaepernick, that's one of

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01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: the boldest and best quarterback decisions and changes. It's in

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: a history the NFL. The fact he didn't go back

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: to Alex Smith and it works so well offensively, Shanahan,

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: maybe you should have paid attention going including yeah, including

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01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think it felt like it was

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: like things were changing in Michigan when the Ravens hired

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: the Michigan defensive coordinator Mike McDonald to be their defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator this week, and someone made the joke like, well,

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01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: just like everyone you know, Mike McDonald of the Two

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Speaker 1: Harbor Brothers likes John better. But I think there's a

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01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: little more than that, you know. I think there's like

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: a little more than that. He literally let his top

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Speaker 1: coach go to the Ravens. Like that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: man ready to say bye. Um. Finally in the news,

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Speaker 1: gotta love it, Joe, thisman Washington football team legend. He's

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Speaker 1: in the Ring of Honor. You know, he's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: He's a Super Bowl champion, longtime media dude. He went

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Speaker 1: on the Damon amundel Aria. That's a tough one. I've

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: always struggled his name. Gonna call h d A because

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Speaker 1: the DA he calls himself d A CBS radio and

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: he he let ones. He let one slip. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean, you know, like a gas issue. This something

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Speaker 1: else happened. There was a slip. The Commanders is a

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Speaker 1: is a name that you know, it's going to be

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01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: a hopefully one that people will talk about going forward.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, yeah, you like the Commanders as the

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Speaker 1: new team name. Huh? You know, I mean there were

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: there were so many different options. But once again, you know,

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: it's trademark infringement. It's it's getting approval from different people.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, if you choose a name, is there

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: a group out there that isn't gonna like it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: And then this just this just made me laugh. Then Joe,

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: who seemingly unaware of the Washington is supposed to be

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: announcing the name of the new the new team team name,

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Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow, just starts talking about commanders and what

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Speaker 1: a commander is, which is funny. A lot of commanders

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And the Pentagon and a lot

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Speaker 1: of different branches of this service. And so to me,

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Speaker 1: that's sort of the way I'm looking at it as

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: as the positions of leadership when it comes to then

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Speaker 1: a lot of commanders, you know down there in the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: Of course, then the Washington Times reaches out like, hey, Joe,

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: so I guess you just let the cat out of

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: the bag. He's like, I'm gonna hamna, No, I know what,

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01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'll find out tomorrow it's the commanders. I mean,

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: we're I guess an NFL podcast, So you know, don't

1357
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: come after us. We're not reporting it. But Joe Thsman

1358
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: already told us. Let's know, he talked to He talked

1359
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: for two minutes, just assuming everyone already knew it was

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01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: the commanders. That just Joe thought it was Wednesday. Maybe

1361
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: he got his mixed because it's such a it's such

1362
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: a first of all, it's it's a typical Joe Thiesmand moment.

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01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: I missed West on this show like I missed us

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 1: every day. I miss him being able to put Tom

1365
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: Brady in perspective. I'd like to hear what he would say,

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: And I miss him for this story, because Joe Tisman

1367
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: opening his mouth and saying too much was kind of

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: a thing West would talk about and note for forever.

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Hiesman had a bizarre broadcasting career and

1370
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: a bizarre playing career in which saying things that ended

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: up getting the organization in trouble was like kind of

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Speaker 1: what he did. So it's almost perfect that this is

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Speaker 1: how the name is getting out. I mean, it's like

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: NFL branding is top secret stuff. I mean, you don't

1375
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: like that's the whole thing. Why did they Why did

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01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: the inner circle who knew that this commander's name and like,

1377
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: give me a break, which name dropping the Pentagon, Like

1378
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: that's pure white driven snow. Enough with that business. But

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: the idea that Joiman anti government is brought into the

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01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: inner circle as a secret keepers that shows you that

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: that Washington is not figured out entirely how to run

1382
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: its own well, they gotta like tell them, you're right.

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: They should have just said show up at at two

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: pm at the press conference and we'll see you there, Joe.

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01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not you know, waving a flag as a

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: patriot mark. But I don't think he was saying anything

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01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: specifically about the Pentagon is a pure as the driven

1388
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: snow entony. He just said there's a lot of commanders

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: in Washington, D C. And the Pentagon. Well that's true.

1390
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that that those are their titles.

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01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: So anyway, when the news comes out and there the

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, the Washington you know Robbins or whatever, I like,

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't, then you're gonna find out this is all

1394
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: much ado about nothing but Joe good good to know

1395
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: you never change um. All right, I think we got everything.

1396
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: It turned into a supersize Tuesday show. That's not what

1397
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: we aim for typically, but mark that somehow sometimes that's

1398
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: just the way things go. We are we are incapable

1399
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: of doing a show under eighty five minutes, and so

1400
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what supersizes or regular size at this point.

1401
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: It is what we do and we will not cease.

1402
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: You sound enthusiastic about the product in the podcast and

1403
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: being a part of it, No I am. I'm claiming

1404
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: more fact that we keep talking and we continue like,

1405
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: hey will be a nice tight forty five minutes to

1406
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: a and then another forty minutes goes on top of it.

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: If they listen, enjoy it. I'm happy that it's that

1408
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: long double it. Let's make more time, more more ads,

1409
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm really looking for, you know, someone

1410
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: getting rich, some commander and the Pentagon getting that. I

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: still want to know what Mark was so mad at

1412
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: during the Brady back and forth, but I think it

1413
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: was just generally my opinions. I think that. No, I

1414
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: don't even at this point, I don't even remember back

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,879
Speaker 1: that far. So it was two days ago in Mark's defense,

1416
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: Tom Brady retired. That's such old news. Now, No, dude,

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Speaker 1: you're still recording that same episode. Oh really, all right,

1418
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: we'll be back Thursday. So I think it's our annual

1419
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: don't say the super Bowl episode. We we we will

1420
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: not utter that that phrase on Thursday's show, but we

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: will be talking about something, presumably, and it will take

1422
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half to do. So I

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: think we can do on Thursday. Let's see. This is

1424
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It's not that it's not that

1425
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: I have an issue Dan with the actual length of

1426
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: the show. It's this, it's this mystical conceit we go

1427
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: in with that. It's you know, i'll tell someone, I'll

1428
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: be someone in an hour and then I'm forty five

1429
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: minutes late because this show is a hundred and eighty

1430
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: seven minutes long. Who you got? Who are you meeting

1431
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: up with later? I've learned to say that I can

1432
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: meet no one ever. Now that's my new I've learned

1433
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: by now, You're you're where by now? And would you

1434
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: end the show? Just take us like, just let's go

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: all right until Thursday. Eat the car see spe