WEBVTT - Star Wars: Maul – Shadow Lord S1E5 + E6

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode Canade spoilers for Mall shadow Lord episodes one,

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<v Speaker 1>five and one O six. He warned, Hello, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jason Accepcion and I'm Joelmenique, and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision of the podcast where we dive deep

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<v Speaker 1>into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing you

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<v Speaker 1>through episode a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie is at CinemaCon.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinema Con, Cinema Conn doing the work.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm filling in today and I am really excited

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the evolution of two Boots. Where is

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<v Speaker 2>he in his uh boot licking phases?

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<v Speaker 1>I am already talk to him for a reboot on

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<v Speaker 1>two Boots.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, we'll talk about droid writes of it, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about who is this inquisitor. Lots of spoilers in the

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<v Speaker 2>back end, so you know, we'll give you guys a

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<v Speaker 2>full warning about that. And yeah, five and six big episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's get right into it. Episode five Inquisition with

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Corbett is the writer. Saul Rees and Tatiana Drewrek

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<v Speaker 2>Harvin are the directors. The Empire arrives on jan X

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<v Speaker 2>docu tells Devin to let the Empire handle them all.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, that's no longer concerned surviving is That is

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<v Speaker 2>a direct quote. Don't worry about all of that Jedi

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<v Speaker 2>training you've had, Padawan, It's just survived.

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<v Speaker 1>I remain very, very underwhelmed by Daku.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all moron Daku's underwhelming nature. Later, Chief Crist is

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<v Speaker 2>not happy that two boots sold them out to the Empire,

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<v Speaker 2>but lots and says he was just following protocol. Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 2>Blake of the Empire confronts Christ. Blake accuses Christ of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to hide Mall. He immediately takes over command of

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<v Speaker 2>Janis and orders the Chief to be interrogated. Blake tells

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<v Speaker 2>Lawson to stay nearby, don't go too far. Their copper,

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<v Speaker 2>superior copper, has your number. He's got questions. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get answers. In the under City, Mal's right hand Brooke

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about her a little bit last week, and

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<v Speaker 2>farms Mall of the Empire's arrival, she suggests they switch systems,

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<v Speaker 2>reasonably convinced that Devin is a lost cause. Since you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stab stab lightsaber, lightsaber, they'll be more.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be more jedis in the in the galaxy. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't all die. You'll find another one. There'll be more

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<v Speaker 1>for sensitive people being born. It's it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But while they all attempt murder, Mall finds that admirable.

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<v Speaker 2>He really wants this one. He's picked. Yes, let him

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<v Speaker 2>have what he wants, okay, Vario. Meanwhile, it's worried about

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<v Speaker 2>his business. He asks whether he is living as a

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<v Speaker 2>prisoner or free to go, which he doesn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>great answer. Meanwhile, the Mandalorians are concerned about their coin.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that the Empire is running things, Rook is losing

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<v Speaker 2>control of her troops. It's not good on team Mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now they've got some issues. I mean, he he's

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<v Speaker 2>a leader who cares.

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<v Speaker 1>This was supposed to be a fairly simple, like straightforward

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<v Speaker 1>take over the gangs get money to fund our our

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<v Speaker 1>criminal enterprises situation, and instead Mal has gone on like

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<v Speaker 1>a side quest, trying to do a rule of two situations,

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<v Speaker 1>which I okay, I get that that's a thing too,

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<v Speaker 1>he will do. But now it's turned into an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>clusterfuck with the Empire, like on the planet in Force.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think, I think Mal's gang makes a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable request, which is like, let me just like get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we doing from one manager to another? I

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<v Speaker 2>know sometimes you get sidetracked with other projects as they

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<v Speaker 2>come in. That's why you have Rook there. She's your

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<v Speaker 2>project leader. You could just be like, hey, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you take these guys, establish us a new base somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>get set up, maybe run a few jobs so these

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<v Speaker 2>guys can get paid while I focus so low because

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<v Speaker 2>you're not bringing people along to help you with the padawan.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need them. Let them go do their job

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<v Speaker 2>while you do your job.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, like there's a there's an intense cultural pressure that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Mal is like recognizing, which is like,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the last Mandalorians, Like don't why are we

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<v Speaker 1>getting involved in a direct conflict with the empire right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was not on the that was not on

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<v Speaker 1>the menu. And these are the folks who, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as they know, are like carrying the entire culture forward.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't get them killed cured on janics for what?

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<v Speaker 1>And Maul's not hearing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was Bokatan who brought up a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with Mall not being mandled Laurian and not understanding the

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<v Speaker 2>culture and being the leader. You know, maybe following the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest isn't always the best Anyway, Boots cannot detect loss

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<v Speaker 2>and stress. He doesn't really get it. Lawson weirdly has

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<v Speaker 2>like a dozen coffee cups on his desk. Maybe this society.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand why there were bajillion cups.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess they're trying to say, like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy, like he's so married to his worry. I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried like about I mean, first of all, coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the coffee analog in Star Wars and on

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<v Speaker 1>Gen X in particular, we don't know, Like, so is

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<v Speaker 1>he addicted to whatever this drink is? I have serious concerns.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is like when kids first discovered red bull

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day. This is not healthy and you

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<v Speaker 2>should clean up after yourself. You've definitely picked up the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong cup and had spoiled coffee and that's no fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I speak from personal experience. Clean your desk. Two. Boots

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<v Speaker 2>is struggling. Christ has been transferred permanently. She's not coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>She's done. Lawson's weapon is taken and he's locked in

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<v Speaker 2>an interrogation room where he can see fingernail marks carved

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<v Speaker 2>into the table. Our boy is in trouble, and no

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<v Speaker 2>more so when a cloaked inquisitor emerges from the shadows

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<v Speaker 2>again more on him later. That should be the end

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<v Speaker 2>of Lawson, if you ask me. Docu tells Devin they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to head out of the city. Devin feels like

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<v Speaker 2>she's wasting her abilities here you are Doctu says he

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<v Speaker 2>can hear Mal's voice in her words and warns her

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<v Speaker 2>not to be swayed. He says Mall is selfish, but

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<v Speaker 2>Devin says he does have a point about the Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, we can't call the Empire bad. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't like, we can't criticize the Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we does? Doctor does have a slightly enlightened

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<v Speaker 2>statement where he says the Empire may be our common enemy,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mal will never be our ally. Well, then you

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<v Speaker 2>would say the enemy of my enemy is my what

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<v Speaker 2>my friend? I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I will just say, like, this is a good encapsulation

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<v Speaker 1>of coalition of coalition politics. We are not getting married

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<v Speaker 1>to Mal, That's what I would say. I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>Mal has different ideas. I'm not getting married to Mal.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like we if we want to achieve something like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking up the empire, we could do that and not

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in all his other stuff. And that goes

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<v Speaker 1>for politics were large in the world. Like accomplish the

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<v Speaker 1>one goal that you both have in common and then

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. You don't have to do more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Break it off after that point. But it's like, look like, Daku,

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<v Speaker 1>it's two of you, Like, what do you think you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to accomplish if you can't forge aliances beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>two of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Not through wisely states We've seen many a Jedi work

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<v Speaker 2>with mal particularly Ahsoka, several times over the years to

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<v Speaker 2>get a job done. Yes, sometimes that's what you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Listen, Okay. So Riley shows up looking for

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<v Speaker 2>Papa Lawson. Boots tells Riley, don't worry about this. Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry is the message in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's just a standard operating procedure. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>kicks Riley out because protocol doesn't allow civilians back here. Lawson, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>in interrogation, is doing his best not to succumb to

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<v Speaker 2>a six foot metal birds glaring red stare better than

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<v Speaker 2>I would I'd to fold it immediately. He does tell

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<v Speaker 2>the inquisitor that they walked into an ambush, but the

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<v Speaker 2>inquisitor is like, how did you survive then if so

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<v Speaker 2>much of your team is dead? Which reasonable? Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Docu and Devin planned to stay hidden in a nearby

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<v Speaker 2>villain while is captured. Tyranny is always defeated. We must

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<v Speaker 2>remain hopeful. Is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. Tiranny is not always defeated. Uh, Hope

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<v Speaker 2>is not just a feeling, it's an action.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing, doctor dou This is like I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if if you have we'll talk about this more.

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<v Speaker 1>But here my question is this, and does this show

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<v Speaker 1>think they are depicting Jedi ideology as a good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>as a positive, as something to be strived for and

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<v Speaker 1>reached for, or does it understand that it's depicting Jedi

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<v Speaker 1>ideology as like hopelessly naive, weak and out of touch

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<v Speaker 1>with the current moment. It's an interesting question because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually not sure. I'm not sure, but there's no question

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<v Speaker 1>that Doco is talking fucking nonsense. Tyranny is always defeated. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but like after how like seventy years, Like, how long

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking?

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<v Speaker 2>You were literally just like a freedom fighting force for

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful government. You assumably received taskwork and save the

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<v Speaker 2>outcome of that. Do you want to take any It's

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<v Speaker 2>just crazy to watch. That's a great question, Jason. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that in our third segment. Uh So, Devin,

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<v Speaker 2>in Doc, you tried to Jedi mind trick themselves out

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<v Speaker 2>of a stormtrooper checkpoint. It works until another stormtrooper spots

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<v Speaker 2>to them, saying like being released without their identification, So

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<v Speaker 2>then they have to fight their way out. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>a classic subway move. They hide in the ceiling. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a cool fight. They hide in the ceiling, but

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<v Speaker 2>the chases heart in Doc is injury and he is

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<v Speaker 2>slowing down. Riley calls his mom, lets her know the

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<v Speaker 2>Empire is on the planet. He asked her to come help,

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<v Speaker 2>and a third adult says if troopers are there, it

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<v Speaker 2>is to keep everyone safe. She says, if they ask

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<v Speaker 2>you to do something, cooperate, trust me, everything will be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Adults will lead you astray, is the message. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's important for the kids to know. The adults

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they're doing either. Make your own choices

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<v Speaker 2>Devn in Doc you discovered that they can't leave the city,

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<v Speaker 2>Doc who says they need to hide and they must

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<v Speaker 2>rely on their soul contact. Uh oh. The inquisitor investigates

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<v Speaker 2>the scars the lightsaber left where Document Devon faced off

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<v Speaker 2>against the mall. He's getting closer, Rook tells Ma, Devin

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<v Speaker 2>and Doc Whu didn't make it out of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>We get a clearer look at the Dota Marie brothers

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about last week. Lawson is released with the

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<v Speaker 2>Empire's thanks and the return of his gun. Surprising back

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<v Speaker 2>home after the interrogation, Lawson discovers Riley with DOCU and Devin,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is not happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just getting worse and worse for him, worse and.

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<v Speaker 2>Worse if you are a law a Biden cop. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a spiral of a twenty four hours. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, all right, let's go to break real quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back. We'll talk about an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Sick, episode six nine of The Hunted, written by Chris R.

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<v Speaker 1>Yost The Legend, directed by Stuart Lee. Maul is doing

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<v Speaker 1>his morning exercises as morning affirmations. The moves look they

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<v Speaker 1>look like mal moves. They look like things we've seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson is unhappy to see Jedi docu. Lawson accuses Devin

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<v Speaker 1>of being a thief, which is technically true. Just all

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fruit, technically true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's starting, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And Daku, meanwhile, is just like, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get off this planet? I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get Devin out of here. There's a lot of danger

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<v Speaker 1>all around. We need to how can we do that?

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<v Speaker 1>And Lawson is like, I can't you know, my son, Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of heat right now, the empires here.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want my son to get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, the first place I've had empathy for los Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, this is a difficult choice. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, make the right choice, but your child

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<v Speaker 2>is on the line. You gotta think about your moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Riley and Evan are in his room just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of awkward. Yeah, and I think appropriately awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, we're yeah, there's a girl who's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cute is in your room. Like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what is even happening right now?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot we and we weren't we learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about him and then that kind of sports ball game

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<v Speaker 1>that he plays called Bodoken and that his mom works

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<v Speaker 1>on Coruscant for the Empire in some former fashion. Who

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<v Speaker 1>do we think she is? The way that we're building

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<v Speaker 1>it up, So she's in.

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<v Speaker 2>The bluish gray fit. That could mean she's, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's middle management somewhere, so you know, important enough

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<v Speaker 2>that like I can't call you in the middle of work,

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<v Speaker 2>like we have base to do, but not so important

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<v Speaker 2>that she has any sway over what they're doing on

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<v Speaker 2>this planet, or she can't talk to anybody or upgrade

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<v Speaker 2>that she's like, just behave and you're gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You think she's Dedra.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I think she's If Dadra has a secret, I

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<v Speaker 2>would love it, but no.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, Lowson promises that listen, I didn't tell the

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitor anything, which it is true, but also why I

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<v Speaker 1>would not believe this regular guy. I'd be like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you did, but you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The inquisitor shows up, Yeah, and he came. Absolutely. The

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitor shows up. DOCU sends Devin to protect Lawson and Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's injured and he's you know, struggling with a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful force wielder Uh and the Lawson's home because of

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<v Speaker 1>the fight that is happening, begins to to burn down.

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<v Speaker 1>Stormtroopers chase Devin and Lowson across the roof. Doctor joins them.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a good question that you ask here, Joelle in

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<v Speaker 1>this recap, is will anyone die in this series? Besides?

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<v Speaker 2>That was for sure the end of Docu. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>fight off Green. We're on the roof. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, we're up here, and then suddenly he appears,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides, nameless like cops and other imperials, like, will anybody

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<v Speaker 1>of note die? And I will say that, like, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be very interesting depending on how it happened, if

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<v Speaker 1>if he died, if Docu died, Devin takes command of

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<v Speaker 1>the ship the Quizzer, who's also not dead, fight Stocko

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<v Speaker 1>on the roof, with Devon providing air cover. Docu boards

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<v Speaker 1>the ship in you know, absolutely like action movie. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>action movie type fashion, and they are able to escape,

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<v Speaker 1>but soon, of course, there's Imperial cruisers on them. Devon's

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<v Speaker 1>never flown one of these, but she's doing pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>But she steals like a new person at it and

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<v Speaker 1>loss and always a cop is like just like squealing

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<v Speaker 1>in the vaccine, Two Boots. He loves the way the

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<v Speaker 1>Empire's working.

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<v Speaker 2>Loves the lick. He's like, can I have more?

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<v Speaker 1>He is by the book, and in fact, like he

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<v Speaker 1>wants other books that are not even applicable to gen X.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, I love the Imperial Book, Like that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>The impart is like ten months old, and two Boots

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<v Speaker 1>is like, I love it. I got to get in

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<v Speaker 1>on this anyway, Well I'll say this and I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Boots, I think is responding to you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>imperial federal jurisdiction, like they can chase criminals from planet

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<v Speaker 1>to planet, and like when a big crime boss is

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<v Speaker 1>doing crimes over here in the outer room, we have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea in gen X, like who he is, what

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<v Speaker 1>that is, what's going on? Like we don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>that person is. And it's like so much more efficient

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<v Speaker 1>when you have all this information and you can chase

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<v Speaker 1>people across the galaxy whatever. You're the worst anyway, Lawson's

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<v Speaker 1>wanted poster at that moment goes up tennant. Blake tells

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<v Speaker 1>two Boots that his shoes have not yet been issued

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<v Speaker 1>to him, and they should therefore be removed so he can't.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not standard uniform. Will this shake two Boots's confidence

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<v Speaker 1>and belief in the efficiency of the Empire and show

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<v Speaker 1>him that like, yes there are they are a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger bureaucracy, but like also a very tangled bureaucracy as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an open it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A difficult and shameless truth. When it hits home, people react,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can be seeing it. His best friend could

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, it's bad. We don't trust the Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe and it's not until someone's like my boots, Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>the Empire bad. I think we'll see a turn, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Daku continues to harp on, we need to get off

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. I gotta sell I gotta save Devin, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's Jedi hunters here now, plus mall in the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>in general, Like we got to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson is like, well, I may know someone my like

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<v Speaker 1>my side piece slash situationship slightly criminal woman who hangs

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<v Speaker 1>out like a canteena casino Rena, and Rena is like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy right now on the planet empires everywhere, heat

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<v Speaker 1>is everywhere, like it's very dangerous to move right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we find out that Rena is a former bounty hunter

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<v Speaker 1>and that they have this kind of they have a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship that stretches back years that involved Lawson, perhaps before

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<v Speaker 1>he was a cop, being involved in some form of

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<v Speaker 1>fashion with bounty hunting. Unclear how that worked.

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<v Speaker 2>If this show were more adult, like I wish it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we can talk about that more in our last

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<v Speaker 2>section as well. This would be a fascinating, amazing character

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<v Speaker 2>that I think the fandom would immediately become obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 2>But because she's sort of limited by the all ages

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the show, it's just we can know and

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<v Speaker 2>understand and headcan in these things, but it's like we

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to see the difficulties and complexities of that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship play out, and I think it's a loss for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really intrigued by Rina soul like she runs a casino,

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:25.080
<v Speaker 2>former bounty hunter, like really intriguing character. I like this

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<v Speaker 2>info dump on her.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if this means loss and was once a

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<v Speaker 1>bounty hunter?

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<v Speaker 2>Right right? What's his back? Like I'm going straight, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>become a cop, which is a thing we've seen in

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<v Speaker 2>several flony things I'm thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jarn is kind of this. He's like, went from

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<v Speaker 1>bounty hunter to Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bain what you're talking about earlier? Yeah, like we

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<v Speaker 2>do see this sort of I wanted to I was

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<v Speaker 2>a bad guy, but I wanted to be good and

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<v Speaker 2>then either I had to go back to being bad

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<v Speaker 2>or I turned into a cop. So this is an

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<v Speaker 2>interest seeing storyline.

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<v Speaker 1>See, yeah, i'd be I'd be fascinating to know, like

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<v Speaker 1>or was he a cop helping her from the law side?

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<v Speaker 1>It's anyway, and then saved but saved each other multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like they did missions together, so this is all

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<v Speaker 1>and all are very interesting. Rook accuses Mal of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to save Devin from the from the Jedi Hunters, which

0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:30.480
<v Speaker 1>he obviously is, and Mal says, like, yeah, I am,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't get it right. All of this hunting her,

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<v Speaker 1>me hunting her, she fighting me, the inquisitors looking for her.

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<v Speaker 1>That is making her an even better mentor potential mentor

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<v Speaker 1>for me. He says. The strongest medal is forged by

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<v Speaker 1>the Crucible, which all medal is forged in the Crucible

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, Like that's how you that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, that's how you make it. But that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You can put that aside for now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you were saying, like you find like

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<v Speaker 1>raw met like iron in a stone, just like that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but like anyway whatever. He's right though in I get

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<v Speaker 1>what he's saying, but it's also such a self serving

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 1>statement because it's like all of this trouble that is

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<v Speaker 1>being caused by the hunt for Devin, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>causing us anxiety and stress because we might all get

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<v Speaker 1>captured and or killed. It's actually making it better for

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<v Speaker 1>when we do you find her anyway, you know, He's

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<v Speaker 1>basically like the longer she survives, essentially, he says, the

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<v Speaker 1>more the stronger she will get and the better an

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<v Speaker 1>ally for me she will become. And I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>he always that he doesn't say we, And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with Maul. With this conversation. He says, quote, she

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<v Speaker 1>need only find her resilience and she will find me

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<v Speaker 1>her ally, What is this? What about we?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's and that I think mal is the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to figure out how to communicate a little better.

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<v Speaker 1>Let your the Mandalorians are, they're investing a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>you and yeah, and it's never a we situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Rook. I want to hold your hand and say, this

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<v Speaker 2>man is not Polly Okay, he's looking for the one

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's not you, and it's not the Mandalorian people.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants a force wheeler. Girl, you gotta get out

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<v Speaker 2>of there. Cut Ties, lead your own crew.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's yeah, lead your own Mandalorian group. Unless you can

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<v Speaker 1>lift a rock with your mind, it's not not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause he's not interested.

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<v Speaker 1>The troopers trace Lawson and the escapees to the casino.

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<v Speaker 1>They grab Marina, but Rena's resourceful and a fighter and

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<v Speaker 1>all that it gets turns into a firefight immediately. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and the kids are kind of shuttled off to safety

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<v Speaker 1>while DOCU and Lawson fight it out with the stormtroopers.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stormtroopers. Good shootout, big, big shootout,

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<v Speaker 1>and the inquisitors are here as well. Docu promises loss

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<v Speaker 1>and that Devin will protect Riley, which is like, not,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that's like a huge stress reliever for Lawson.

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<v Speaker 1>But whatever, Lawson says, doc who's you know it basically

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 1>says like that doesn't make me feel better. I don't

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>know who this person is. That's like it's also like saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the one person who the entire empire is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill and hunt is with your son. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this makes a giant targetments back. She's a child.

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<v Speaker 2>The rational decision making, years of training, it's not really

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<v Speaker 2>adding up to like exquisite amounts of safety. It's come on, do.

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<v Speaker 1>We get a great great fight between Devon and the

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<v Speaker 1>Inquisitor on this like moving it's kind of moving like

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<v Speaker 1>open open roof kind of train situation, which is very

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>very cool. Daddy Mal shows up and he's like, get

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<v Speaker 1>away from her, you bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Inquisitor unveils the spinning blades that is the classic

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>inquisitor move. Mall pulls out the two sided blade. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great, great, great fight, and they eventually managed

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<v Speaker 1>to like separate the train between so that they are

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<v Speaker 1>one the side that keeps going and the Inquisitors on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side. Devin then moves to take out Mall,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's like, yeah, go ahead, like you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that because I am not your enemy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he's like, I don't want to fight you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he says now that you've seen the face of

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<v Speaker 1>your true enemy, basically saying like quick, yeah, basically saying like, hey,

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>it's the Empire. The Inquisitors. Those are bad guys, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just the guy that like did kidnap you for

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time, but also like wants to be

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>your father. And then the inquisitor reports back to his

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>master he's in league with two Jedi. How should I

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<v Speaker 1>proceed BOM, Yes, take a quick break and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back to talk about this. M hm, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk briefly about this as an inquisitor. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Eleventh Brother, who yes, that we have seen before. He

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<v Speaker 1>first appeared in Star Wars Tales of the Jedi uh

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<v Speaker 1>season one, episode six, resolve Resolve. Uh, he's got that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that cool black helmet with like the demon

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<v Speaker 1>bird hype mask and very very cool looking and all

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<v Speaker 1>of which hides the fact that these they're the Inquisitors,

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<v Speaker 1>while very cool, were an unsuccessful attempt at half at

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>like somewhat weaker force sensitive lightsaber users that could be

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<v Speaker 1>corrupted and used by the Emperor. But in the end

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:34.199
<v Speaker 1>he needed Big Daddy Darth. Like the one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I always think about with the Inquisitors is like this

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<v Speaker 1>was like version one point zero and ultimately like you

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<v Speaker 1>need you'd need the Darth, Like these guys aren't getting

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<v Speaker 1>it done. Darth will whoop the Inquisitor's asses in fact,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>like you don't need but they're they're wrecking house pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much here, although they do fail again multiple times, both

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what loss and is up to catch

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<v Speaker 1>the Jedi, catch maw All or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>They their mission is you posted before we started the

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<v Speaker 2>call of like what is the goal of what is

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<v Speaker 2>the Empire being here? Really? Because we know they show

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>up when they're like, oh, hey there are force users here,

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>they think they're kind of coming for Mall. I guess

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>that's to do two boots. Reported then they see, well

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.919
<v Speaker 2>there's a fight, so there's multiple force wielders here. But

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 2>we don't ever really see, you know, the chain of

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>command come down and be like hey, like specifically get

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 2>these guys. We know that they're absolutely willing to hunt

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>down a child, maybe to make her another Inquisitor. Wouldn't

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that be a fun storyline. I think the Inquisitors are

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 2>really interesting characters and I would love someone to please

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>do some type of miniseries, probably comic books that we're

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>being real, but like, imagine what happens to make a

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>former Jedi become an inquisitor and like hunt down the

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 2>last of your people? Like the mental mind fuck of that. There,

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you assume they're getting like young padawans perhaps uh you

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 2>know not quote I forget all that you could be

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>a Padawan and then something else and then it's a

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>night in the master.

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, it's a brother sister grand inquisitor. There's like

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the brother level, which is like the more rank and file,

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and then the grand inquisitors like the leader gotcha, got you?

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So I wonder if they're pulling these folks

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 2>in as Padawans or you know, are they like Jedi

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>knights with additional training? And then two like we don't

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>know who the Crow aka the Eleventh Brother is yet,

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 2>but we do. And you feel free to skip ahead

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to hear how that episode of

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.479
<v Speaker 2>Tails of the Jedi goes. I would highly recommend watching it.

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty great episode. But Ahsoka kills the Eleventh

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Brother in a fight that reminds me a lot of

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Mal and Obi Wan's fight. It's very Samurai esque in

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>that it's a single blade switch. And it's interesting too

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>because like when she goes to destroy, like she's lured

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>out of hiding and forced to become basically a Jedi

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>again because she's like, I cannot stand by and watch

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 2>people's houses burned down. I can't stand by and watch

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 2>people get hurt, even though I've been betrayed in this moment.

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>I just think it's funny that every time the Inquisitors

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 2>pop up, it's like, well, I guess that'd be more

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 2>a Jedi than I ever was before.

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Like, I mean, it's interesting. Yeah, the program is interesting.

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as a Boo noted in the in the chat,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of like nerved, like the whole idea

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>was not so they couldn't really pose a threat to

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>either Vader or Emperor Palpatine. And there were you know what,

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>like thirteen fourteen of them, eleven plus some others. There

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>was like a pair of them, and then there was

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the one named Lynn that said, if you look at what,

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>they all die violently, pretty much killed by the Jedi

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>that they were hunting, who were much more skilled than

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>they are, because they were again like kind of nerved

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>on purpose and finished off internally by Vader, who was

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>just proved kind of his worth. Now, I think that

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a like higher conspiratorial angle to this, where it's like, well,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't that kind of what Palpatine wanted was like wanted

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>one to test Vader's strength and loyalty and by setting

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>up this internal system of competition where all of his

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>acolytes were trying to kill each other and only the

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>strong survive. And that's probably the case. But as a

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like a their effectiveness with catching Jedi,

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>its just it's show me where they were effective one.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Time seeing it. Yeah, I think with the Equitters who

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>came after Jaden and his master, I think so, yeah,

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>because they were hiding out for a while in rebels

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and then we see later that he yeah, I think

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe the one time unfortunately, But yeah, I like the

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>look of the Inquisitors. I'm a big fan of the

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>we're at school and it's terrible genre of arts whatever

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>we call that. So I wouldn't mind seeing like inside

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the Inquisitors, you know, especially these early years where they're

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>newly minted and you know, we're there's apparently tons of

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Jedi who escaped Order sixty six and exploring like who

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>made it and who didn't. I think there's a lot

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>of area for refinement around that too. You know, I

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>think that's a big plot hole for a lot of

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars fans, like how did so many of these

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>folks escape Order sixty six? Let's explore that in an

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>inquisitor or investigation. That sounds like fun to me.

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about let's talk about docu. I you kind

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of like touched on it. But I think this show

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is doing some really interesting things thematically that if it

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a more or even like a PG thirteen execution

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>m m mm hmm, which I think I guess you

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>could argue on a violence from a violence angle, it's

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of PG thirteen.

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I could actually argue that it's not because you know

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of kids animation, like you can't show red

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>blood in America. That's a hard and fast rule. And

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I've been thinking as we look at the violence, like

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>most of it is off screen and really what you're

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>seeing is, you know, a fencing fight with cool lights,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>which is great. But I think on the violence, as

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we do have the pupew's and stuff, and

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>there's some explosions, but all of that to me happens

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>so far away and from a distance, and not to

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>any of the characters that were directly following that, the

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>violence feels artificial and not emotionally impactful.

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>All of which is to say, there are these really

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting themes kind of bubbling under the surface. It's like,

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether it's loss in and his whatever, his

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Rina is, like would love to know more

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>of that, lawson and his ex wife like that is

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a very complex and meaty kind of would love to know,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>like how that fell apart, like what and the fact

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>that she left without her son, Like this is all

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>really interesting? Is he hiding from her with the sun?

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Like all of that is fascinating, and she protecting them

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>by going to the empire.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of complexity here, like under the surface.

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And then there's the the depiction of like the classic

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>struggle between the dark and the light here. And I

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>genuinely I think that there is at least a chance

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that this show is doing something really interesting, which is

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>being like this is why the jedis fail, Like there

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>they're ok, Like I think there's at least a chance

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that they're kind of doing it on purpose. As a

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>metaphor for a rule following kind of norm following mindset

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>in the face of an enemy that has no shame,

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that has no adherence to laws other than its own power,

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't care, and there is at least a chance

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>again that in creating that contrast, which I think they

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>are doing, whether they're doing on purpose, is the question

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that in showing that contrast, they're saying they're implicitly criticizing

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:48.959
<v Speaker 1>the Jedi, because like at every turn, you're like, doca,

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing? Don't we like can't we fight

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 1>fire with fire a little bit? Like you're on the

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>run for your life? Now, I get that you don't

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>want to see and apple, and you shouldn't. I'm not

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>saying you should, But do we have to then let

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>your potawan I don't even think she's a padawan. Should

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:15.720
<v Speaker 1>we let your you know, younger Jedi mentee like get arrested?

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>She would definitely just like put her in jail. Shouldn't

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.399
<v Speaker 1>we like try and kill mall? Like I don't know

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>what is going on here?

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Can't even stand up for her to be like, hey,

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like it's how much is this apple? Costs? Five cents?

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Like we yeah, go to jail is crazy. I think

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>it's even crazier to say tyranny is always defeated. Is

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>such an affect based on one to tell a person

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>look around, Brian defeated like it's happening, and and the

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>level of just like, well, what can we do? I'm

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 2>just even this is.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Why kids becoming prisoners dot go first of all, First of.

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>All, and it's it's too It's I just think like

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>even if we look at like like non violent individuals

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>still find ways to like protect and stand up for

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>and stand against violence without enacting it themselves. So I

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>really hope that's where they're going, because I think the

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 2>whole like uninformed, ignorant, peaceful monk who just wants piece

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 2>at all, like time, it's it's challenging to watch. And

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>then two, I think, you know, in moments when we

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 2>see this, you know our are you know our obi

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 2>wan Kenobi's, our anakins, our qui gons are rule benders,

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>let's say. But I think even in those religious yeah,

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 2>yeah exactly. But I think when they were firm on

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the rules and their paddle ons are questioning, that was

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 2>oftentimes some of the best, like Clone Wars writing it's

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes like the most interesting spaces for those characters, because

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>which rules are you choosing to follow on? Which ones

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 2>are you choosing to break in?

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Why?

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh? I wish we have a little bit more of that,

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 2>like an evolved sense of that friction between this padawan

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and mass because I think.

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. I think that there's something interesting

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>under the surface if they want to flesh it out.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>There's also the fact that like Doaku's like he there's

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a passivity that is so interesting for a person who's

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like on the run for his life and who's responsible

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>for the life of another person. They're putting there all favor. Yeah,

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>they're putting like they're putting loss and in his kid

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>in danger to say nothing of like whoever you know

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever civilians are on the trains or around whenever any

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>of these fights like blow up, and all he can

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about is like, help me get off the planet,

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>help us get off the planet. Okay? And what are

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>you what are you offering? Like what in this? Why

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>should I do that? How does because it's the right

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>thing to do, Explain to me why that's the case,

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and how are exactly are you going to help in

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>this situation? You don't have the contacts. You don't, you

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>won't fight barely will fight, and you won't use the

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>force in any kind of offensive way to help us

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>do the stuff we need to do. Instead, you're just

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>like asking this regular guy for help. And it just

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>makes if the depiction is conscious to make the Jedis

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>look this week and shattered in this moment, which they are,

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>but like on a personal level, he's a tremendously powerful individual.

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Then I think that's really interesting.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I do.

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I really do think it's interesting though the way they're

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>showing it.

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I think your riot brain is cooking and preparing for

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of plotlines that are not going to come

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>to fruition unfortunately. But I like, I like, And I

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>think this is the strength of the Star Wars fandom

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 2>is our ability to be like under the surface. Yeah,

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>like we can make a story in twenty years that's

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>really going to bring all of this to the forefront

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>in a way that you won't even believe, so you know, uh, yeah,

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it's it's all there. I do. I'm still rooting for

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 2>this show. I really want to pull. I was higher

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>on it last week than I am this week. You

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>were just talking about selfishness. Let's talk about Daddy Mal

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>in his his selfishness, because I this is the mall

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that I enjoy the most. I think, like the last

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>episode four through here, I'd be like, this is the

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>mall I wish we could have spent the most time

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 2>with in this series, because Mal is inherently selfish. But

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a character who has to be selfish is interesting to

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.720
<v Speaker 2>me in a way that like a character who chooses

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>to be selfish isn't. Mal has never had anyone look out,

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no one has his back. Ever. You have to

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>be selfish or you will die like it is. That

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.439
<v Speaker 2>is his only choice, and he's too stubborn to die.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And but he longs. He's a longer. He's like, what

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I want is companionship, someone who understand and me, somebody

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 2>else who has this immense power and has to choose

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>how to wield it in a world that is inherently

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 2>unfair and terrifying because literally anyone at any moment might

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 2>betray you. And so here we have him finally interacting

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>with Devin, who, as we've been talking about, currently has

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.879
<v Speaker 2>a leader in her life who's making horrible choices. Yes,

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 2>go to jail, don't worry about eating. I'm sorry if

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>you seal because you are starving and you have no money.

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you feel like to me, your

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>right to survive is higher than anyone's right to the

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>five cent you're gonna pay for that apple. That's crazy.

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>And I I think for Mal to just lay it

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>all out there and be like, listen, kid, if it

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>would be worth it for you to kill me, for

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>me to show you that I am not your enemy,

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 2>it would be worth it for me to like risk

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>losing all of the little bit I have built up.

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, I do think that the Mandalorians mean, like

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>being in command of these people mean something. Tomal. I

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's completely pointless to him, but she is

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>more important. He like the and selfishly, the forging of

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that bond with someone that he might be able to trust,

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that you know. And and two, I'll just say Maul

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 2>only has the rule of two as his guiding star.

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what he's been told his whole life. It's

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.959
<v Speaker 2>why his mother gave him up, it's what he was raised,

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's what he's trying to recreate with his brother.

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Like he needs it and I want him to have it.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe not with Devin, I wouldn't mind him. FID like,

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>find somebody who's maybe like I don't know, older and

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.959
<v Speaker 2>can actually have your back. Not a child who needs

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you to like guide them through the rest of their adolescence,

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>but the fact that he's like, I've been treated so

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 2>poorly my whole life, and I can create a space

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.359
<v Speaker 2>and a moment for you, not only to defend you,

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 2>but for you to build trust in me. Yeah, like

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:52.919
<v Speaker 2>this version of Mallyah and.

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.919
<v Speaker 1>There is deductiveness to the pitch and at the same time,

0:41:56.040 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>like Maul is he's a narcissist. He's he's extremely selfish

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>but very seductive. And what I mean by that is, listen,

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 1>if Maul wants found family, then put together the found

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>family and go chill on a fucking moon somewhere. Instead,

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I want this found family now. I want

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to do the most dangerous shit possible with them and

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>get them killed and relive my trauma all over again.

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I got them all killed and now it's my fault.

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Now I got to find a new found family and

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 1>get to do again. And it's like, which is very

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 1>feels very huge, Like that's a very human kind of

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 1>trauma cycle where you recognize what you need and you

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>broadly recognize the cycle, but you're unable to like break

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>out of it. And that's what he's doing, Like he

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 1>wants to forge this relationship with Devon, and you can

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 1>see the I mean, if I'm Devon, I'm I'm thinking

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 1>about it. And you know you mentioned how sure we

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>as Star Wars fans have this ability to basically be

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.720
<v Speaker 1>like the writer's room for Star Wars on long term scales,

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and a boot put in the put in the chat

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that he would love a Devon becomes inquisitor arc. Hell yeah.

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 1>But there's even the way he's giving Devin something that

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you could tell that she values on some level and

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>would even desire, like more agency in her life, more active,

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 1>an ability to be more active and not just like

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 1>running from every problem. But it's always on Mal's terms.

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>The terms are come with me, I will be your ally, okay,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and then what and then we will fight the empire

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>together and you will probably get.

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Killed because the rule of two sis there has to

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>be one master in one apprentice, right, And that's where

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>we're at, Like I'm the master, you the apprentice. And

0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>by the way.

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I've made this very chasmic, charismatic deal with everybody else

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>in my gang. They all think that they are like

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>my number one and together we are allies to take

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>on the people who betrayed us. But really it's you

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and ps. At the end of this you will all

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>be dead and I will be looking for the new

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>versions of you. That is just like such a very

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 1>human type of trauma loop to be caught in where

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like you're you're pitching it as this it's all

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like we're a family, it's us together, when really it's

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>like your mission only you are the main character in

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>your mind, in their lives. But you're pitching in a

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 1>way where it's going to be like, oh yeah, no,

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be all of us. It's not going

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to be all of you. If you want that found family,

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>like get it, go get a hideout on some random

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 1>space rock and just go do stuff, hang.

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Outs out home. His enemy is actually galactically powerful, yeah,

0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and evil, so like he has some point, like we

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 2>actually have to end this guy, like it is your

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.919
<v Speaker 2>revenge and it is selfish. You You do not want

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 2>the ultruistic good for the universe. You want to stop

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the guy who has hurt you the most, understandably, but

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I also think too, just again from Devin's point, like

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that guy my enemy too actually and mall maybe not

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 2>so much in this series, but historically pretty good tactician.

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 2>It's just that little revenge bit catches him up every time.

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Can't let it go.

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>And what's doaku offering? Like running from place to place

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and like sleeping on the street.

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 2>And he literally said, the only thing we can do

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>is beg, Docu, Like you don't get the hell up

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 2>out of here, like there's nothing.

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>We can't get any kind of job out here, Like

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>we have to only beg. This is crazy. This is

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:48.879
<v Speaker 1>just insane to me. If that's the.

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Point, we could be juggling entertainers, like we got mad skills.

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll hop up on an acrobatic thing. Do they have

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 2>like a basketball thing? I've got force jumps? Ok? Yeah,

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 2>like be a magician or great magician? You really like

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:06.720
<v Speaker 2>all we could do is big? Like this is sad, Docu,

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 2>what happened to you? Like I have to I need

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a doc who backstory that makes this makes sense. I

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 2>need a man so beaten and destroyed that he's like, well,

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>what could we do, and you're like, wow, this is

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 2>so sad. You should not be in charge of a child.

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 2>You need, like everybody in Star Wars, some prescription pills.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I after. Okay, So I wanted to ask you. We're

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>getting close to the end.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 2>I think there's ten episodes total. Mm hmmm, so we've

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>got four more to go, a little bit past the

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 2>halfway point. How are you feeling about the mall of

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it all as far as like the show having Like

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to ask a show to justify its existence,

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.359
<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit crazy. But do you feel like

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.959
<v Speaker 2>you're getting insight into this character we've spent a long

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>time with.

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, I like again on a on

0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a on a shallower level than I was hoping for,

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's all there, like his selfishness, his single mindedness,

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>his desire for revenge, but also his ability to to

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>frame that revenge as like a team goal for everybody else.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Don't you want to take down the empire? Don't we

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>all want to do that? Wouldn't it be for the best?

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 1>They must be stopped? And it's really just like this

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 1>guy fucked me over and I need to kill him,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that's what it's about. And I think

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>from that perspective, I find it really and I think

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>again as a as a picture of a person who

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:39.439
<v Speaker 1>is traumatized and who is unable to like see their

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>own role in their own retraumatization. Like you're you're in

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 1>a cycle that is making this happen again. There's no

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>excusing what happened to you, although you could argue like

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the way that he lost his family was was a

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 1>version of this, like it was his mission. Yeah, yeah, left,

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But still like there's no there's no there's no softening

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that very very painful blow. But it reminds me of

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a kind of loop that you can get into. And

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>this is what this is the things that I think

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>are really interesting about all where it's like the the

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 1>pain is almost more comfortable, like you could you could

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.879
<v Speaker 1>let go of everything and and check out and go

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>hang out with Rook and the rest, just like ambushing

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>cargo ships or whatever very quietly in some quiet corner

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of the galaxy. But like who would you be?

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Then? What do you?

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Who would you?

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Who would be?

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Who would you be as a person at that point

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and when your whole identity is wrapped up in pain?

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:52.560
<v Speaker 1>And anger and revenge. It's the almost the scariest thing

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 1>is to like not do that. And I think that

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>part of it is a really fun and interesting character

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>study of Mall. I think I wish that it was

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.720
<v Speaker 1>a little deeper, but I do think that we are.

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not that we're seeing a new side of the

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Mall in particular, so I guess that part of it

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of a letdown, But what we're

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>seeing is a kind of underlining and amplification of who

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:19.879
<v Speaker 1>we know Mall to be. What about you?

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I agree with everything he said, and if the show

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>pulls that out by episode ten where he's seeing something

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and making a choice about this instead of just gut check,

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 2>constantly spiraling back into the cycle, and that's very intriguing,

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and I would be like, wow, once again, never doub

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Dave Filoni. You'll get some some humdingers of episodes, but

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>then you're geting some great ones down the line, and

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>that kind of tends to be the flow of these

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 2>animated series. But no, I think, and again maybe this

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is my fault, like I don't want to judge a

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 2>show on my preconceived notions, but I again, this is

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a character I love Dave has done some and team

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>have done really strong writing over the years, and I

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 2>guess I was sort of hoping for like a better

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Call Saul version of Mall where you're like, oh, this

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 2>is like an evolution of this person that helps us

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 2>fully understand like who he is and what he's been

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.720
<v Speaker 2>through and why he ends up going in the direction

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:27.439
<v Speaker 2>he goes in. But I think when I think about

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted as a kid, the show is delivering

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of elements, and for that, I'm glad.

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I think kids need dark shows and dark protagonists. I

0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 2>was talking to some friends the other day about how

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I felt really connected to e Or as a kid

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 2>because I was chronically depressed, but I didn't know it

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 2>and was really a comfort to me as a kid

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, why will no one just leave

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 2>that man in his house for three out? He just

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 2>wants to be alone. And so I think characters like

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Mal who have suffered a lot of abuse, who are

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.879
<v Speaker 2>trying to find their way can be even if they're

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 2>imperfect in how they're searching for solutions, uh, really inspirational

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and good connective tissues. So yeah, I'm I and I

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 2>still think there's too many people.

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 1>There's characters in this that I don't like. I don't

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.439
<v Speaker 1>know why we need Riley unless we're gonna do more

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>with Lawson's personal life, like and yeah, should we talk

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I think we could a scale back. Yeah, let's finish

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.359
<v Speaker 2>with two boots. Okay. I have complicated feelings about two

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 2>boots because I think I'm okay. Here's what really intrigues me.

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 2>All the droids we've been introduced to have been manipulated

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to be independent thinkers, right. C three PO was Anakin's design,

0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 2>and he was like basically jail breaking his three PO unit.

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's why we get the different dialectically speaks from

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the others, and the fact that he's, you know, a

0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>little more inquisitive, even though he's still staunchly a rule follower,

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 2>where he's like his own person R two D two

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 2>similar like way his own person Shopper again, jail broke,

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I think by hera and wild, independent little thing. It's interesting,

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 2>particularly from an institution that's run by the Empire. Ostensibly

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 2>they report to the Empire to have a droid who

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is not jail broken at all. He's sort of been trained,

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 2>he's developed this like desire for a clothes which you

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 2>don't see on Android frequently, and be a connection to it,

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>like yes, that's his name sort of swells to boots

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 2>like all androids, but like either he was like that's

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>my name and I should have the boots or yeah,

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the boots and they were like, look at this, that's

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.799
<v Speaker 2>really interesting and to watch him wake up could be

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 2>really interesting. But man, is it hard to watch somebody

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like listen to a dearly beloved friend, coworker, partner constantly

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<v Speaker 2>tell them like, hey, this is gonna put us all

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<v Speaker 2>in danger. It's bad, and he's like it anyway, Look

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing, two Boots?

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<v Speaker 3>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts? How are you feeling about two

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<v Speaker 2>Boos at this day?

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<v Speaker 1>I like Two Boots as a character. I think what

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<v Speaker 1>he's done is despicable, But I do think to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen there's been a lot of independent thinking droids

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<v Speaker 1>whose moral alignment mapped to heroic and it would just

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<v Speaker 1>make sense that if there are these independently thinking droids

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the galaxy, and we've seen them before, that some

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<v Speaker 1>of them would be more pro empire or pro following

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<v Speaker 1>the rules or pro the laws in a given region

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<v Speaker 1>and would be against helping good people who are breaking

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<v Speaker 1>the law for reasons of being rule followers. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that while I absolutely decry everything two Boots

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<v Speaker 1>is doing, and I think it's terrible, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>he should at least give his fucking partner a heads

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<v Speaker 1>up before he just drops a dime on the empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and I find myself fascinated by him. I do, like

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<v Speaker 1>we said in the recap, I do hope that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a moment, you know, like we got an and

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<v Speaker 1>or for various characters where two Boots seize the true

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<v Speaker 1>face of the Empire and goes, oh shit, fuck, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I made I made a bad choice. I made.

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<v Speaker 1>I made a rational choice, but I made a bad one.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, I also feel like, I mean, Lawson is

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<v Speaker 1>like goes even in this episode, goes to bat for

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<v Speaker 1>two Boots, like even then kind of covers for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and and two Boots is like ready to throw his

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<v Speaker 1>partner like into the grinder, like does not.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking cares has earned this loyalty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It is shocking to me. Now, I'm not an advocate

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<v Speaker 2>for a murder, but we've talked about whether we would

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<v Speaker 2>reboot two Boots at the top of this episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>you listen, I is that if we believe, as I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>the droids are actually autonomous beings who've been conscripted into slavery. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be murdering.

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<v Speaker 2>I I think. So it's a very ghost in the

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<v Speaker 2>shell moment. But I think if you destroy the spirit

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<v Speaker 2>but keep the body alive, that is still a type

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<v Speaker 2>of death. Okay, I'm not I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to I'm I think it's a I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a reasonable philosophical reading. I'd be willing to hear

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<v Speaker 1>other other viewpoints. I also feel like if I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a room with my droid partner, like at work, and

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<v Speaker 1>my droid partner at work is like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>call the empire, and I think it's the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and the only way to stop them was

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<v Speaker 1>to like hold the power button down for five seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd probably do it. I'd probably consider it, and I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't give tools names.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I would feel super bad about it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would trust that, like we could rebuild the his personality

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<v Speaker 1>to like eighty percent of what it was, But without

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<v Speaker 1>the call the Empire part.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know. Some would kick the Pixar

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<v Speaker 2>lamp and I shoud it here, so anything anthropomorphized that

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<v Speaker 2>womman like protect it. But yeah, no, I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>right that ultimately, how could you blame someone who's like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't call the cops, Like that's terrible off do that?

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<v Speaker 2>What if you just turned him off and said aside,

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<v Speaker 2>if if someone turns him back on, he's put him

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<v Speaker 2>in rest Like pause, yeah, yeah, okay, we're fighting it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're fighting it. Let us tell what you guys think.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we be rebooting two Boots or should this autonomous

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<v Speaker 2>being be allowed to make his own decisions and report

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<v Speaker 2>us to the Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is technically what the law says to do. It's

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, and we doc would say, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to let him call.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have a choice. We have to let him

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Put that apple back. On the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of X ray Vision, we're diving into Daredul.

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<v Speaker 3>Two O six and depending Hues Day Black after that's

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<v Speaker 3>This episode of Bye x ray Vision is hosted by

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<v Speaker 3>Jason steps Young and Rosie Knight and is a production

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<v Speaker 3>of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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<v Speaker 1>supervising producer is Abusafar. Our producers are Common, Laurent, Dean

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and Fay Wack. Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez,

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