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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Weill and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm to believe Chok Rebording, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's really fun to talk about the real

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Speaker 1: life people behind fictional characters that we know really well.

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Speaker 1: We've done it with Sherlock Holmes. That was a great one,

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Speaker 1: Robinson Crusoe, it's fun to talk about. And even Candice

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Speaker 1: and I talked about some famous philosophers behind the characters

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Speaker 1: and lost. It's neat to do this because you get

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Speaker 1: to see what fits and what's true to life, and

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Speaker 1: then what's just pure fiction. You know what, the creators,

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Speaker 1: the writers disinvented one of these real life matchups. Listeners

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Speaker 1: like to suggest a lot is Indiana Jones, the dashing,

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Speaker 1: brave and perfectly deadpan archaeologist from the George Lucas and

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Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg films, played by, of course, Harrison Ford. Here's

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Speaker 1: the funny thing, though, each suggestion that we get for

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Speaker 1: the real Indie is almost always different from the next,

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Speaker 1: always always different. So it seems that the whole argument

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Speaker 1: could be settled pretty quickly with just a word from

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Speaker 1: Lucas or Spielberg, but each has insisted that there really

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Speaker 1: is no real Indiana Jones, no direct inspiration other than

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Speaker 1: countless matinee serial movies from the nineteen thirties and forties,

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Speaker 1: pulp action books by writers like h Writer Haggard that

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Speaker 1: they read when they were kids, kind of broader inspirations.

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Speaker 1: But that hasn't stopped a lot of folks from putting

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Speaker 1: forward countless contenders. And if you go researching, just if

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Speaker 1: you do a basic search for the real Indiana Jones,

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Speaker 1: you'll find plenty of articles about one particular Indiana Jones

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, this guy is the real Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 1: But we thought it would be a little more fun

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Speaker 1: to round up a gang of these possible Indiana Jones,

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Speaker 1: really only a small selection from a pretty massive group,

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Speaker 1: and discussed their lives, discussed their adventures and their differences.

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Speaker 1: And you'll find by looking at a few of them

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Speaker 1: at least that some have the right quest, you know,

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Speaker 1: that sort of fits with the characters. Some have the

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Speaker 1: right hat. Yeah, it's kind of like Indie has taken

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Speaker 1: little pieces of all of them exactly, but the best

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Speaker 1: hat award definitely goes to naturalist Roy Chapman Andrews. Not

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Speaker 1: exactly Indies Fedora that he's got, but pretty close. Chapman

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Speaker 1: Andrews also had the ego, bravery and the charisma of

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Speaker 1: strong ladies, yes, strong ladies. In particular. A picture of

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Speaker 1: his first wife, for example, shows her feeding a bear

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Speaker 1: cub so. Chapman Andrews was born in eighteen eighty four

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Speaker 1: to send him out on research trips. His first trip

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Speaker 1: Man originated somewhere in the Central Asian Plateau, so in

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Speaker 1: he as Indiana Jones Quote, played a significant role in

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Speaker 1: There's even a book on him called Quote the Giant

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Speaker 1: great article called how Archaeology Works, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: And actually I definitely use Indiana Jones as the zero art.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you go to it, you will

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