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Speaker 2: A warm October evening in the letter History written in Stone,

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Speaker 2: it's only a few days after Daphne's murder by car bomb.

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Speaker 2: Night is falling, and amongst the palaces and churches, the tourists, bars,

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Speaker 3: A crowd is gathering, hundreds, then thousands of people from

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Speaker 3: across our country, spontaneously drawn to mark their sorrow at

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Speaker 3: what has happened in the last week, young old city

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Speaker 3: dwellers and people from the villages. Many carry flowers or candles.

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Speaker 3: Some sing as they walk, most are silent, all united

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Speaker 3: by their shock at what has happened, also united by

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Speaker 3: anger at the forces that persecuted Daphne and ultimately many

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Speaker 3: believe killed her. From iHeart Podcasts, Topic Studios and Vespucci,

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Speaker 3: I'm Manuel Delilla and this is Crooks Everywhere, Episode three,

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Speaker 3: The Great Siege, Spontaneous demonstrations are in something that Multa

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Speaker 3: major election, or a religious festival. But huge protests like

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Speaker 3: this for Dafne are a signal that the era of

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Speaker 3: quiet public acceptance is now over, maybe forever. And the

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Speaker 3: place where disgrieving, angry crowd is marching to is not

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Speaker 3: just any piazza in Valletta. The monumental, assidual guir or

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Speaker 3: the symbolic heart of the capital. It commemorates the Great

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Speaker 3: Siege of fifteen sixty five, when the Ottoman Empire tried

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Speaker 3: greatest crisis that Mota faes in the last five hundred years,

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Speaker 3: a time when forces of destruction threatened and were resisted.

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Speaker 2: As the crowd reaches the statues, they throng around, circling them,

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Speaker 2: of the old stone. People bring photos of Daphne and

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Speaker 2: lay them down to other Scribbled personal notes of remembrance

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Speaker 3: And I'm here too with my friends and family, amazed

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Speaker 3: we are hoping to show that a new siege has begun,

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Speaker 3: Protests like this are the first signs that Deafney will

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when you first heard that Daphne had

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Speaker 3: And of course the first reaction is incredulity, disbelief. But

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Speaker 2: I was in London at the offices of BBC's Newsnight,

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Speaker 2: where I was working at the time. When the news broke.

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Speaker 2: There was a kind of silence in the office, a

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Speaker 2: get yourself to Malta now and I move, but I

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Speaker 2: felt a sense of foreboding. I'm used to going to

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Speaker 2: it's where people go on holiday, for heaven's sake. I

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Speaker 2: spent many years reporting on Vladimir Putin's Russia, and for

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Speaker 2: it was both a murder, the wiping out of an

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Speaker 2: reporter is a statement. It's a declaration of power. We

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Speaker 3: I had time to think. That's how it felt for

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Speaker 3: me too, But this was in Moscow or Saint Petersburg.

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Speaker 4: It was a democratic EU country. I, like many other people,

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Speaker 3: This is Jason ot So Party, a lawyer and former

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Speaker 2: Corruption picture a multi's version of the actor Stanley Tucci.

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Speaker 4: So about five and that's passed. Three in the afternoon,

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Speaker 4: I started getting a floody of phone calls and I

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Speaker 4: They've killed her, murdered. Whilst I was on this call,

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Speaker 3: And later that day, as the full scope of the

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Speaker 3: crime became clear, another phone call came through from Daphney's husband, Peter, and.

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Speaker 4: Just imagine the husband of Deafney calling me on my

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Speaker 4: didn't know what to say. I simply stammered. Bottom line,

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Speaker 4: Peter asked me if I could represent the family represent legally.

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Speaker 3: Already, within hours of her death, Peter and her sons

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Speaker 4: Peter told me, Jason, we do not trust the due

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Speaker 2: So what's wrong with the duty magistrate In Malta?

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Speaker 3: The magistrate is crucial of a murder is to be

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Speaker 3: Definitely had written about a lot of Malta's judges and

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Speaker 1: Opinionated April thirteenth, twenty ten the silly life and shallow

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Speaker 3: Not very diplomatic, and those are some of the more

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: In fact, Consul Herrera had already sued Daphnely for libel,

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Speaker 2: So this is Jason as the party's first task. From

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Speaker 4: I would say, round about eight o'clock, half past eight

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Speaker 3: The very same evening as Daphnie's murder. The magistrate summons

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Speaker 3: the family to the courthouse. The fight to have the

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Speaker 4: One has to remember that the law courts at that

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Speaker 3: At this after hours meeting at the law courts are

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Speaker 3: It's still just hours since Daphanie's murder. Even to get

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Speaker 4: And again I must admit I didn't know what to say.

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Speaker 4: I see these two gentlemen in front of me. One

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Speaker 3: The magistrate's office is open out of hours because of

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Speaker 2: And then as they wait, yet a number of Daphane's

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Speaker 3: It's fair to say that Jason at Soparadi is not

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Speaker 4: Chris Cardona sleazy character well known in criminal circus.

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Speaker 3: Daphne's investigations into Cardona's conduct are famous across the island,

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Speaker 3: Cardona is one of the many people who was suing

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Speaker 4: He was pacing up and down the corridor. I remember

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Speaker 2: What's the story behind the story here? Why is a

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Speaker 3: Earlier that evening, Cardona had been officially as summoned by

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Speaker 4: We waited until close to eleven pm. By that time

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Speaker 4: some hours before, they were there all alone in the

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Speaker 4: I knocked on the door of the sitting magistrate, of

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Speaker 2: And why is this so important to Jason as a

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Speaker 4: We will leave no stone unturned.

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Speaker 2: There is one concrete proposal from the government, the promise

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Speaker 4: What I can tell you is that announcement that supposedly

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Speaker 3: The government continue to make a public show of taking

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Speaker 2: Protests in Daphne's memory at the Great Siege Monument become

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Speaker 2: Politicians like Joseph Muscat and Chris Cardona need to be

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Speaker 3: At Daphne's funeral, more than a thousand people gather to

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Speaker 3: But all this public anger and sorrow isn't yet being

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Speaker 2: We do know that the assassins, the men on the

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Speaker 3: Right after the assassination, Chinese George disposed of his Berner

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Speaker 3: That there's just the purely investigative forensic sidle, the politics

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Speaker 3: investigated at all. If anyone is punished for a contract killing,

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Speaker 3: So the family are not optimistic about finding Daphnese assassins,

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Speaker 3: It happens that the head of Malta's counter terrorism unit

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Speaker 3: And as we know, the calais had been sloppy, particularly

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Speaker 2: The plan is discussed in a briefing for the Prime

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Speaker 3: Eventually you see all three of the suspects handcuffed and

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Speaker 4: The hitmen before the arrests of December twenty seventeen, removed

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Speaker 3: Strange it's a known.

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Speaker 4: Fact that the hitmen had been forewarned that the hitmen

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Speaker 4: Into them Digiorgio Brothers and Vince Mouscat. Not only that

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Speaker 3: Raid And so even as Dephanie supporters are marching for

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Speaker 3: voice of Dafnick Carvana Galizia is played by Ciena Miller,

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Speaker 3: acting direction by Christopher Houten. Maltese voices by Mikael basma

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Speaker 3: Jan and Pierre staff Raj. The executive producers are Johnny

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Speaker 3: Galvin and Daniel Turken at Vespucci, Christi Gressman at Topic Studios,

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Speaker 3: Katina Norvel and Nikki Etor At iHeart Podcasts. Ancienna Miller.

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Speaker 3: Marketing leader is David Wassermann. Audio recording by Tom Berry

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Speaker 3: at Wardoor Studios. Audio mix and sound design by Joel Cox.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Andrew Botchcardona, Alessandra di Crespo, Eddie Isles

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Speaker 3: and Andrew Carwana Galizia,