WEBVTT - Ep. 39: Dusan Smetana 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:06.360 Hey, everybody, and welcome the episode number thirty nine The 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.479 Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and today I am joined 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:15.840 by the one and only du Sean Smantana. He was 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.840 born in Czechoslovakia, but he lives in Montana. He's a 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:25.920 renowned outdoor photographer, hunting photographer, and just all around wonderful 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.760 human being. He's got insight on where he grew up, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:36.199 how he came up, and escaping communist Czechoslovakia in the 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.960 late eighties. Hed come to America and live out his 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.680 dream and he's and he certainly is living that with 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.600 his wife, Florca and their kids in bos He's traveled 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.239 the world to work for companies like Capella, and he 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.319 has a lot to tell us about that. He's an 0:00:51.320 --> 0:01:03.400 interesting man, but interesting insights, So please enjoy du Schon Smantona. Sean, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.560 how are you, sir? I am belle, Yes, how are you? 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.839 I'm very well. Um drinking a little bit of mint 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.880 tea with a spike of plum brandy on a It's 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.200 not actually it's it's not that chilly but Montana day, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.760 is it? No, it's beautiful, blue sky, sunshine, uh, sleep 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:27.520 of its time. It's beautiful. And and for folks that 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.200 like I always try to start these podcasts. Obviously, people 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.760 can't see where we are. Can you give your best 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.160 description of where where we're sitting right now? And and 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.160 really just I guess you're homestead here. Well, we are 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.080 in bows men Um in my house have a small 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:53.440 farm by Dullaton River. Raised different kind of animals for us. Yeah, 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.560 sheep and pigs and chickens and ducks and turkeys and 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.920 homing pigeons. Homing pigeons. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.160 a lot. And just just to heaven. You know, I 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.880 love Montana, I love the name, I love everything about it. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.280 So I'm glad you get to move here, you get 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.800 experience that. Yeah, I'll be right, Uh, not too far, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.000 I said. It's like a two minute commute up up 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.400 the road and around the corner and five minutes across 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.920 the river. Five minutes across the river, and we're sipping 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.840 tea and brandy by the fire at your place. They 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.400 do your wife, Laurca and yourself, did you guys? You 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.760 guys put a lot of this house together. We did, 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.880 you know, we tried to research um. When you travel, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.040 you see different things around the world, and you see 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.560 how people build differently. Have they designed different homes or 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.519 structures to live. And once I cam and sit down 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.120 with the architect, you kind of told him would be 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.880 one we really like to read in the heat and 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.840 the concrete floor, but like insuaded house so you don't 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.160 waste your energy heating it. That's right, um, and be 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.360 like the simplicity modern You know, the concrete floor are 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.200 awesome for cleaning. And we knew we're going to have 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:13.000 a kids, so um, somehow you know, figure out how 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:18.120 not to let him just destroy the house, so you 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.760 have that kin in mind. If I would do that, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.919 I would definitely not put any kitchen cabinets, a bunch 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.120 of hay bales and drain in the middle. And I 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.519 think that will do. You just got new house and kids, 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.960 so you'll see how much damage he'll do. That's right. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.800 And I and my wife and I discussed that. She's like, well, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.640 we could get the nice carpet. I said, we could 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.680 get the nice carpet, but every nice thing we get 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.360 has the ability to be made less so by our 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.600 little dude. Although he's pretty, he's pretty low low maintenance, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.640 but still but it's nice to have a house, you know, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.840 nice to own some land. Um. And another think or 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.000 concept of our house? Who was to make not to 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.320 pick our houses? Square feet perfect for two kids and 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.000 couple and no maintenance. So if you put meler rouf, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.080 and if you put stackle and plaster and inside you 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.160 know there's not much maintenance, so you don't want to 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.160 And if you choose good windows so you don't have 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:19.000 to repay them, um, then you just you know, house 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.479 is never done, but you try to minimize all the 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.839 extra expenses down the road. Yeah, and you have quite 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.440 the homestead here. I mean it feels like I don't 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.680 know how most of describe it. It's like a farmat 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.200 where you have. I mean, you're right here on the 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.599 Gallton River's freaking beautiful and farm animals around and and 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.000 you guys are square with plum brandy and a nice 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.159 fire here and it's it's a beautiful view. Life is 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.080 good on a farm, right. I you know, I would 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.359 love to get even more land, but there is not 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.680 much here available. But I think they have a little farm. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.640 It's a security for me. You know, I grew up 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.239 in a farm, and I grew up in a small 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.359 village where the animals gonna take care of you so um, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.880 and you can get the woods, so you kind of 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.640 eliminate the thinking that food comes from grocery store and 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.960 the heat comes from furnace. Yeah, you have to chop 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.120 the heat. Chopped, the chopped the heat, and you raise 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.200 your animals and you butcher them and you eat them. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.880 And that's more security to meat than have several thousand 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.920 dollars in the bank. You know, my house is surrounded 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.920 with firewood, and freezers are full of meat. Bring it, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.720 bring it. Yeah you have so you have chickens and goats. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:34.840 Here else we have sheep clinic sheep. And I got 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.200 the idea from traveling to Argentina in the last twenty 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.400 years or so, and illow how they cooked it what 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:47.159 they call asada lamasade over the fire. And after I 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.360 think a couple of dinners in the US, you know 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.960 that I noticed that the lamb was the most expensive meat. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.200 And then suddenly, just click six years he goes like, well, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.640 why can I have my own lamb sheep? And and 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.159 and here you are. And I talked to my wife, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.800 did research me find the Icelandic sheep and they're low 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.440 one maintenance. They're very hearty, they don't need any structures, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.400 and they're very yummy. So it's a nice combinations with 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.800 the hunting. You know, when when you get the elk, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.160 cantal upward deer, there's not much grease there, but with 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.960 the antelope, I mean with the lamb, you just have 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.120 extra fats of grease and fat there. So, yes, we 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.240 came over here a month or so, maybe even longer ago. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.159 And had you did the assada for us over the 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.000 fire and it was unbelievable, tell folks well, and you 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.960 gave me a lot of brandy then too, so it 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.960 could have been that could have helped out. I don't know. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:46.040 I don't know. More you drink better, more tists tell 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.640 people about your your strategy for making this out and 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.640 like you know where you learned in your influences from 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.680 Argentina and you know, and I know that as you 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.880 get older you try to I think you get more 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.120 into what I call homie you. We just get into cooking, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.200 You get into gardening. You get into little skills and 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.320 hobbies did you always want to do but never had time? 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.160 Um those as it could be challenges. You know, you 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.320 you get into raising sheep and you try to figure 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.880 out how to hey. So then you get in a 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.080 tractor and you try to cut and bail. So it's 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.560 U still very entertained, you know, with all these with 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.680 all these activities, and they love it because it's completely 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.480 distract me from from the photography. I don't have to 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.560 think of oh, framings, and you know all the other 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.320 thoughts you have when you're taking photos. I completely forget 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 about them, you know. I I always say I'm a 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.080 full time farmer and part of time photographer. You've crafted 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:46.760 quite quite the job title in living here. Um, you know, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.640 you're not listening with a lot of we A lot 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.360 of people glorify living off the land or you're just 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.360 a lifestyle of living off what's around you and you 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.920 have have that here and well specifically around the sheep. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.200 How do you treat them? And you raise them? You know, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.800 when do you harvest one? Like? How do you how 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.640 do you treat that with your family? So the lambs 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.680 are usually born middle of May, beginning of May, and 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.920 we have lambs running around and it's kind of cute 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.560 to see kids going in there and lifting those animals 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.360 and looking at them and put them bag and try 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.640 to catch them again, and we graze them in our 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.400 land and our neighbor's land to be make small padducts 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:32.160 of two three acres, and once a week we'll move them, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.680 so we rotated. Then nice thing being in the river bottom. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.080 You have so much submoisture that the grass grow nicely. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.480 And by the time you finish one and you can 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.360 start another one when it comes September and October. You 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.440 know this sheep they are wild, they're from Iceland and 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.080 they they haven't been improved by British scientists to gain 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.320 weight and loose them out of trades. So they eat bark, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.199 they eat um leaves, so we don't have to de 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.880 warm them since we have it just at of them. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.439 And when October comes. In of October, then be slaughter 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.720 the lambs. We keep the replacement cheap, then be slaughter 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.640 maybe some old cheap that we don't they're not they're 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.480 getting old. And you know, we use some of that meat. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.760 And I would use lots of other parts of those 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.640 animals for my hunting dogs, for the bird dogs. Um. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.680 You know, I feed them the lungs, liver, heart, even 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.920 stomach the tribe and I opened the stomach and empty 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.199 the green and cut that up and that's two three meals. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.000 Eat stomach for the dogs with all the enzymes and 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:44.199 minerals and nutritions. Now your kids take you have two children, Um, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.240 do they take part in the entire process with you. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.839 They help, you know, they watch, they help eat. They 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.840 still don't know that they're eating liver. You know, they 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.960 like liver with onions. That's actually traditional or big tradition 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.280 in Europe where soon is your harvest any animal and 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.200 you have access to fire, you chop onions and you 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.040 eat that, you know, the red deer liver or road 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.400 deer liver. Um. So it's you know, they help and 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.520 they see that. Now, I don't know if they're gonna 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.839 pursue that kind of lifestyle vib here, but options are 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.840 there for them. You know often they will remember. But um, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.680 I am going exactly back as I grow up. I 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.840 mean I see that that you know, I want to 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:30.560 take care of myself. I want to take care of 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.800 the fire. Would I want to grow our own potatoes 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:40.280 and carrots? I want to have my own honey, it's um, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.320 you know up thirty years ago, I would I would 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.280 not think that I would have that because it was 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.840 so distant. But yeah, well it seems it seems to 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.040 calm you a bit. Yeah. I think the influence and 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.320 your childhood, how you grow up and where you grew up, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.240 it just influenced you. And then later on you you 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.480 seek that and it's you know, it's up to you 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.240 how deep you're gonna go over that. Yeah. I mean, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.520 you're you know, and you're professional life. You're a photographer 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:12.160 for many brands, of course Cabela's being a big one. Um, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.920 how do you balance those two thinks? I mean, you're 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.880 travel and we were just talking before we hit record 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.920 about your traveling and not being around Montana as much 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.640 as you'd like to be. And but but but you 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.199 need to travel the world and knowing a lot of 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.760 places and allowing that to inform how you live here 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.680 in Montana. Yeah. So I've been fortunate and last twenty 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.800 five years I did get to travel quite a bad 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.080 around around the world. But it's nice too, always nice 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.040 to come home. Um, you know, you've got to do 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.840 something for a living. So I you know, I didn't 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.560 think I have a bad gig. I mean, I think 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.360 it's wonderful to just take photos and meet new people 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:53.000 in interact learning about different languages, cultures, meet people who 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.679 are in all kind of professions and hear their stories. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.839 Um talking to hunting GUIDs in South Africa or else 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.200 rally or Germany, and just see what's their lives about, 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.760 how their backgrounds look like, how did they shelter their animals? 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.520 You know, what kind of fire, what kind of would 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.479 they use? You know, all those things are so interesting 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.839 for me. And and so the traveling is great. But 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.360 the one bad thing that I said, or not bad, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.880 but it's just weird that I don't know very much 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.760 about Montana. I get this request from local magazines and 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.160 I never been to those places. You know, Montana is 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.839 so big, so I would like to change it a 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:35.320 little bit and explore mort Montana and kind of balance 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.440 with the traveling. Traveling is around four months a year, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.080 but the rest of them the rest of the time 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.560 I'm here. So yeah, I mean this is as I said, 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.040 moving here for me. I mean, you just I feel 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.400 like the opportunity, immense opportunity to explore the West is 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.520 you could take me thirty years and I still wouldn't 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.520 have much knowledge of what I'd want to what I 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.240 want to go explore. But that's a fun that's a 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.160 fun idea to have. I mean, I don't know, you know, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.760 I think what informs a lot of your life is 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.640 how you grew up. I mean that's you know, and 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.480 where you grew up. Um. Yeah, this is a big playground, yes, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.440 I mean if you are a hunter and fishermen and 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:20.200 skier and you know, river guide or kayaker or mountain climber, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.480 ice climber. I mean, we have it. And it's just 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.040 amazing the variety of the outdoor sports we have here 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.800 and the people here. Last time we came here for 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.320 the Assada, I was struck that in your house was 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.080 like this wonderful bunch of wonderful people and they were 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:39.160 from all over this country, in this world that had 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.280 collected here around your place and around this river and 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.640 this state. I mean it was amazing. Yeah. I mean 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.120 people in Bosman there are really nice. I mean people 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.200 in Montana and generally nice and and they're inquisitive. You know, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.440 you meet these locals, they are they're asking you questions. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.800 You know, there are these ranchers that they see where 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.760 you come from. What do you doing here? You know, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.200 why do you want to hunt? In his place where 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.040 you know, when you get to me and then they go, oh, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.480 we remember that our grandfather was from Czechoslovakia, or it 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.600 was from Germany, or I never felt once living in 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.920 the US that somebody would be prejudice because they come 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.360 from different countries. I think it works to our advantages. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.720 I always say. And and you know, there's so much 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.680 public land to hunt in the top of it. There's 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.200 so much private land that you could hunt. You just 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.360 have to go and knock in the door, you know, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.600 not one month before the season opened or the opening day, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.280 but go there in May and June and and put 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.440 a little work in it. Yeah, helping with the cattle, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:46.720 is helping with the fans, and not too many doors 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.120 will be closed. That's right. Yeah, I've found it. I 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.240 found a lot of places in the country, but especially here. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.640 I mean, Texas has its own way of treating people 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.360 in its own culture and and there's some bravado and 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.880 brashness there, but here in my Tanna, there's it's it's welcoming. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.200 I mean, you know, I don't speak like they speak 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:11.440 here in order, you you bet, but that but that 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.880 I mean, you've got quite a community along this river 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.160 where people are your neighbors, and you're you know you're 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.000 And my wife is in well, she loves the local community. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.720 She's part of this group of um, a woman of 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.880 the dirt. There's a group of eighty or ninety ladies 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:36.080 dirty woman and they surround themselves with this old experience, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.200 people who who've been garnering for sixty seventy years, who've 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.120 been dealing with animals and issue in Montana for many years, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.280 and just share the informations. You know, the exchange eggs 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.760 for breeding stocks were I don't know, different types of 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:56.720 chickens and what tools to use, how to check the 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.920 soil for pH and in a million out of ten, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.800 don't listen, everybody out there, listen, don't google Dirty Women Montana. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.800 You're not going to get that club of the woman 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.920 of the dirt club. Now, your wife is a very 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.280 impressive person as well. And you guys have um the 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.720 life you have carved out here is is is amazing. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.560 And your kids are are amazing. I mean they look 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.080 you in the eye, they shake your hand. I mean, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:26.600 they're you know, wonderful people in their own right. I mean, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.680 and what are your philosophies on raising children? And and 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.000 I mean you brought him here to Montana for a reason. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.400 I'm sure, Yeah, I think you know. I love kids. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:43.920 I love being with them. Yeah, and I didn't have 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.000 the greatest example when I was a kid. You know, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.120 my parents would the wars when I was year old. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.120 My fire was drinking a lot, so there was lots 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.000 of struggles there. There are lots of abuses, but I 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.000 always say the both of the parents showed me a 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.760 beautiful example how now to do things, so I always 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.240 think about it and just try to do different. Now 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.280 we're seeing some people in my village where they were 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.520 interacting with the kids, where they were they were loving them, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.399 they were putting hands on them, they were kissing them, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.639 they were just you know they and I always just 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.320 envy that um and that's what I want to have. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.440 So when somebody asked me, we're only gonna have kids, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:20.960 it's like, what do you mean to win? I mean, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.040 I just like, I will have kids as soon as 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.840 I can. That's part of the life that I want 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.760 to live. It's nice to raise another set of kids 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:34.080 that will appreciate this world. There may be contribute with 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.880 something and just keep going. Yeah, your kids are are 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:45.679 great examples of thank you, adjusted human beings. UM. So 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.840 I think people a lot learn a lot from the 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.200 way you guys treat that with their lives a little 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.679 where they live. Yeah, thank you. Yeah they are they 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.200 are good kids. And I read somewhere that they are 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.359 my kids, but they're not mine. They're the kids of 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.879 the world. You basically we cannot You can show them, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.800 you can take them to places, but you really cannot 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.440 make them to do. They can do their own thing. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.720 So it will be I'm very excited to see what 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.879 would become of them. You know, how they're gonna, how 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.680 they're gonna deal with their life. You know what can 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.120 the jobs still have? Maybe those jobs are not created 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.359 yet for them. You know this, everything goes so fast nowadays, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.320 and see how they're going to balance it now. I 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.360 think I had the advantage to grow up in them. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.240 What would you say, a poor community, but wealthy and 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:36.480 relations between people. Um. And you know, moving to us 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.679 and living here, I have everything that can possible ask for. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.760 You know, you just we are getting We are well 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.080 paid here, We have the opportunity to do whatever we want. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.760 The things are relatively inexpensive. You can save lots of money, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.359 um and we'll see what happened to them, you know, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.000 see how they're gonna see if they're gonna see the 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.679 opportunity or or not. Well, it's such a perspective that 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.760 you have on that right, because you know, how you 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.119 grew up is so different. How that how they're going up. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.720 And you can tell them listen, this is you are lucky. Yeah, 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.399 you can't tell them, but you can over boil that pot, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.560 you know, because he just they were tired of it. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.119 So I will. You know, I took my son already 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.720 to Europe a couple of years ago, and he gets 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.040 to see where I grew up, where I live. You 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.080 get to see the soccer field that I play soccer, 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.080 and he did play. He went to the mountains where 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:34.640 behind he saw the cemetery in the church, and just 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.240 exposing to those things. I think they should on their 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.280 own somehow realized when they get back to us that 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.000 what they have. Yeah, so I'm hoping that that would work, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.879 but they they need more visits. So we are doing 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.320 another visit next year to Spain, and and I think 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.480 that is it's kind of important for kids to see 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.840 the world so they can put things in perspective, provide 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.800 perspective and let it go from there. And we know 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.520 that too. I mean you try travel, travel and you go, 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.440 like you said, you go to Nepal and you see 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:08.080 somebody's boy holding basketvid apples but has bigger smile than 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.760 somebody who has a brand new Cadillac. Yeah. Yeah, we 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.879 could go on that subject for days. But yes, I 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.360 think we talked about that last time we were here, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:20.879 and roughly remember through the break the all the stomach 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.320 full of lamb and a belly full of brandy that 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.119 we talked about that. But it is the perspective of 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.560 the world. You know. It can inform you, for sure, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.879 but it ala can drive you to you know, to 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.879 be a better version of yourself. Um that it certainly 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.440 has for me because it's one of those things where 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.760 I'm always stopping to, you know, adjust, you know, if 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.800 I'm frustrated from traffic or if I'm frustrated from something 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.040 at work, and I stopped adjusting, like, wow, how is 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.399 this bringing me happiness? And why am I not allowing 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.560 it to? You know, someone with nothing in Nepal or 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.880 wherever you find that person is can smile and play 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:06.040 a song well and abject poverty. Why can't I find 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.720 that same smile when I'm you know, sitting on the 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:13.240 heated seat driving to work. Well, it's a community and 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.919 it's a people, you know. Um the realtors have the 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.840 famous saying location, location, locations, Well, I think the people, 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.120 people people, It's kind of more important to me. It's 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.920 your personality, It's your uniqueness. Did you get to use 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.560 in work or with your friends and that kind of 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.080 influence and craft your journey through this world. So if 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.359 you surround yourself with the right people that will help you, 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:41.520 they don't drain you. Um, and and outdoors has the 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:46.480 tendency to make better people. You know. I haven't seen 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.800 these trips, gosh, I've been. I mean, well, let's say 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.600 over a hundred hundred trips around the world. Then you 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.040 have all these people. You get ten guests, they go 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.119 with me or more sell them. You find someone who 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.879 is not happy holding fishing ground or gun in their hands, 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.240 you know. So it's just like, well, what happened to 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.240 all these nasty people that you read about? You know 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.920 all this? It's just the outdoors have tendency to just 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.640 just make you better, to relax you. And I don't 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.920 know if that's the exercise. Did you get with that hunting? 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:23.359 Or or it's just being up there for fresh air. 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.159 I'm sure it's there's it's a complex tale of what 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.359 it actually gives you, but it works something. Yes, it 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.600 is a medicine and written part of my struggle. I'm 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.000 sure you have it too. Is it when you get 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.720