1
00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome the episode number thirty nine The

2
00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and today I am joined

3
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,840
Speaker 1: by the one and only du Sean Smantana. He was

4
00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,840
Speaker 1: born in Czechoslovakia, but he lives in Montana. He's a

5
00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:25,920
Speaker 1: renowned outdoor photographer, hunting photographer, and just all around wonderful

6
00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,760
Speaker 1: human being. He's got insight on where he grew up,

7
00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,199
Speaker 1: how he came up, and escaping communist Czechoslovakia in the

8
00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,960
Speaker 1: late eighties. Hed come to America and live out his

9
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,680
Speaker 1: dream and he's and he certainly is living that with

10
00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,600
Speaker 1: his wife, Florca and their kids in bos He's traveled

11
00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,239
Speaker 1: the world to work for companies like Capella, and he

12
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,319
Speaker 1: has a lot to tell us about that. He's an

13
00:00:51,320 --> 00:01:03,400
Speaker 1: interesting man, but interesting insights, So please enjoy du Schon Smantona. Sean,

14
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,560
Speaker 1: how are you, sir? I am belle, Yes, how are you?

15
00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,839
Speaker 1: I'm very well. Um drinking a little bit of mint

16
00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,880
Speaker 1: tea with a spike of plum brandy on a It's

17
00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,200
Speaker 1: not actually it's it's not that chilly but Montana day,

18
00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,760
Speaker 1: is it? No, it's beautiful, blue sky, sunshine, uh, sleep

19
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,520
Speaker 1: of its time. It's beautiful. And and for folks that

20
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,200
Speaker 1: like I always try to start these podcasts. Obviously, people

21
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,760
Speaker 1: can't see where we are. Can you give your best

22
00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,160
Speaker 1: description of where where we're sitting right now? And and

23
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 1: really just I guess you're homestead here. Well, we are

24
00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,080
Speaker 1: in bows men Um in my house have a small

25
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:53,440
Speaker 1: farm by Dullaton River. Raised different kind of animals for us. Yeah,

26
00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,560
Speaker 1: sheep and pigs and chickens and ducks and turkeys and

27
00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,920
Speaker 1: homing pigeons. Homing pigeons. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that

28
00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot. And just just to heaven. You know, I

29
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,880
Speaker 1: love Montana, I love the name, I love everything about it.

30
00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you get to move here, you get

31
00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,800
Speaker 1: experience that. Yeah, I'll be right, Uh, not too far,

32
00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,000
Speaker 1: I said. It's like a two minute commute up up

33
00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,400
Speaker 1: the road and around the corner and five minutes across

34
00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,920
Speaker 1: the river. Five minutes across the river, and we're sipping

35
00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,840
Speaker 1: tea and brandy by the fire at your place. They

36
00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,400
Speaker 1: do your wife, Laurca and yourself, did you guys? You

37
00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 1: guys put a lot of this house together. We did,

38
00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, we tried to research um. When you travel,

39
00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,040
Speaker 1: you see different things around the world, and you see

40
00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 1: how people build differently. Have they designed different homes or

41
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,519
Speaker 1: structures to live. And once I cam and sit down

42
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,120
Speaker 1: with the architect, you kind of told him would be

43
00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,880
Speaker 1: one we really like to read in the heat and

44
00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 1: the concrete floor, but like insuaded house so you don't

45
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,160
Speaker 1: waste your energy heating it. That's right, um, and be

46
00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,360
Speaker 1: like the simplicity modern You know, the concrete floor are

47
00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,200
Speaker 1: awesome for cleaning. And we knew we're going to have

48
00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 1: a kids, so um, somehow you know, figure out how

49
00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,120
Speaker 1: not to let him just destroy the house, so you

50
00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,760
Speaker 1: have that kin in mind. If I would do that,

51
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,919
Speaker 1: I would definitely not put any kitchen cabinets, a bunch

52
00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,120
Speaker 1: of hay bales and drain in the middle. And I

53
00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,519
Speaker 1: think that will do. You just got new house and kids,

54
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,960
Speaker 1: so you'll see how much damage he'll do. That's right.

55
00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,800
Speaker 1: And I and my wife and I discussed that. She's like, well,

56
00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,640
Speaker 1: we could get the nice carpet. I said, we could

57
00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,680
Speaker 1: get the nice carpet, but every nice thing we get

58
00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: has the ability to be made less so by our

59
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,600
Speaker 1: little dude. Although he's pretty, he's pretty low low maintenance,

60
00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,640
Speaker 1: but still but it's nice to have a house, you know,

61
00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 1: nice to own some land. Um. And another think or

62
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,000
Speaker 1: concept of our house? Who was to make not to

63
00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,320
Speaker 1: pick our houses? Square feet perfect for two kids and

64
00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000
Speaker 1: couple and no maintenance. So if you put meler rouf,

65
00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,080
Speaker 1: and if you put stackle and plaster and inside you

66
00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 1: know there's not much maintenance, so you don't want to

67
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,160
Speaker 1: And if you choose good windows so you don't have

68
00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,000
Speaker 1: to repay them, um, then you just you know, house

69
00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,479
Speaker 1: is never done, but you try to minimize all the

70
00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,839
Speaker 1: extra expenses down the road. Yeah, and you have quite

71
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,440
Speaker 1: the homestead here. I mean it feels like I don't

72
00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680
Speaker 1: know how most of describe it. It's like a farmat

73
00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 1: where you have. I mean, you're right here on the

74
00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,599
Speaker 1: Gallton River's freaking beautiful and farm animals around and and

75
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000
Speaker 1: you guys are square with plum brandy and a nice

76
00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,159
Speaker 1: fire here and it's it's a beautiful view. Life is

77
00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,080
Speaker 1: good on a farm, right. I you know, I would

78
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,359
Speaker 1: love to get even more land, but there is not

79
00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,680
Speaker 1: much here available. But I think they have a little farm.

80
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,640
Speaker 1: It's a security for me. You know, I grew up

81
00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,239
Speaker 1: in a farm, and I grew up in a small

82
00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,359
Speaker 1: village where the animals gonna take care of you so um,

83
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,880
Speaker 1: and you can get the woods, so you kind of

84
00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,640
Speaker 1: eliminate the thinking that food comes from grocery store and

85
00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,960
Speaker 1: the heat comes from furnace. Yeah, you have to chop

86
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,120
Speaker 1: the heat. Chopped, the chopped the heat, and you raise

87
00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,200
Speaker 1: your animals and you butcher them and you eat them.

88
00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's more security to meat than have several thousand

89
00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,920
Speaker 1: dollars in the bank. You know, my house is surrounded

90
00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,920
Speaker 1: with firewood, and freezers are full of meat. Bring it,

91
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,720
Speaker 1: bring it. Yeah you have so you have chickens and goats.

92
00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:34,840
Speaker 1: Here else we have sheep clinic sheep. And I got

93
00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,200
Speaker 1: the idea from traveling to Argentina in the last twenty

94
00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,400
Speaker 1: years or so, and illow how they cooked it what

95
00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:47,159
Speaker 1: they call asada lamasade over the fire. And after I

96
00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,360
Speaker 1: think a couple of dinners in the US, you know

97
00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,960
Speaker 1: that I noticed that the lamb was the most expensive meat.

98
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,200
Speaker 1: And then suddenly, just click six years he goes like, well,

99
00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 1: why can I have my own lamb sheep? And and

100
00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,159
Speaker 1: and here you are. And I talked to my wife,

101
00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,800
Speaker 1: did research me find the Icelandic sheep and they're low

102
00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440
Speaker 1: one maintenance. They're very hearty, they don't need any structures,

103
00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,400
Speaker 1: and they're very yummy. So it's a nice combinations with

104
00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,800
Speaker 1: the hunting. You know, when when you get the elk,

105
00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,160
Speaker 1: cantal upward deer, there's not much grease there, but with

106
00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,960
Speaker 1: the antelope, I mean with the lamb, you just have

107
00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,120
Speaker 1: extra fats of grease and fat there. So, yes, we

108
00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,240
Speaker 1: came over here a month or so, maybe even longer ago.

109
00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,159
Speaker 1: And had you did the assada for us over the

110
00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,000
Speaker 1: fire and it was unbelievable, tell folks well, and you

111
00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,960
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of brandy then too, so it

112
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,960
Speaker 1: could have been that could have helped out. I don't know.

113
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. More you drink better, more tists tell

114
00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,640
Speaker 1: people about your your strategy for making this out and

115
00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,640
Speaker 1: like you know where you learned in your influences from

116
00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,680
Speaker 1: Argentina and you know, and I know that as you

117
00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,880
Speaker 1: get older you try to I think you get more

118
00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,120
Speaker 1: into what I call homie you. We just get into cooking,

119
00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,200
Speaker 1: You get into gardening. You get into little skills and

120
00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,320
Speaker 1: hobbies did you always want to do but never had time?

121
00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,160
Speaker 1: Um those as it could be challenges. You know, you

122
00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,320
Speaker 1: you get into raising sheep and you try to figure

123
00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,880
Speaker 1: out how to hey. So then you get in a

124
00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,080
Speaker 1: tractor and you try to cut and bail. So it's

125
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,560
Speaker 1: U still very entertained, you know, with all these with

126
00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,680
Speaker 1: all these activities, and they love it because it's completely

127
00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,480
Speaker 1: distract me from from the photography. I don't have to

128
00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 1: think of oh, framings, and you know all the other

129
00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,320
Speaker 1: thoughts you have when you're taking photos. I completely forget

130
00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 1: about them, you know. I I always say I'm a

131
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,080
Speaker 1: full time farmer and part of time photographer. You've crafted

132
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,760
Speaker 1: quite quite the job title in living here. Um, you know,

133
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,640
Speaker 1: you're not listening with a lot of we A lot

134
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,360
Speaker 1: of people glorify living off the land or you're just

135
00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,360
Speaker 1: a lifestyle of living off what's around you and you

136
00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,920
Speaker 1: have have that here and well specifically around the sheep.

137
00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,200
Speaker 1: How do you treat them? And you raise them? You know,

138
00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800
Speaker 1: when do you harvest one? Like? How do you how

139
00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,640
Speaker 1: do you treat that with your family? So the lambs

140
00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,680
Speaker 1: are usually born middle of May, beginning of May, and

141
00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,920
Speaker 1: we have lambs running around and it's kind of cute

142
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,560
Speaker 1: to see kids going in there and lifting those animals

143
00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,360
Speaker 1: and looking at them and put them bag and try

144
00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,640
Speaker 1: to catch them again, and we graze them in our

145
00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,400
Speaker 1: land and our neighbor's land to be make small padducts

146
00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,160
Speaker 1: of two three acres, and once a week we'll move them,

147
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,680
Speaker 1: so we rotated. Then nice thing being in the river bottom.

148
00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,080
Speaker 1: You have so much submoisture that the grass grow nicely.

149
00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,480
Speaker 1: And by the time you finish one and you can

150
00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,360
Speaker 1: start another one when it comes September and October. You

151
00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,440
Speaker 1: know this sheep they are wild, they're from Iceland and

152
00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,080
Speaker 1: they they haven't been improved by British scientists to gain

153
00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,320
Speaker 1: weight and loose them out of trades. So they eat bark,

154
00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,199
Speaker 1: they eat um leaves, so we don't have to de

155
00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,880
Speaker 1: warm them since we have it just at of them.

156
00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,439
Speaker 1: And when October comes. In of October, then be slaughter

157
00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720
Speaker 1: the lambs. We keep the replacement cheap, then be slaughter

158
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,640
Speaker 1: maybe some old cheap that we don't they're not they're

159
00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,480
Speaker 1: getting old. And you know, we use some of that meat.

160
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,760
Speaker 1: And I would use lots of other parts of those

161
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,640
Speaker 1: animals for my hunting dogs, for the bird dogs. Um.

162
00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, I feed them the lungs, liver, heart, even

163
00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,920
Speaker 1: stomach the tribe and I opened the stomach and empty

164
00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,199
Speaker 1: the green and cut that up and that's two three meals.

165
00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,000
Speaker 1: Eat stomach for the dogs with all the enzymes and

166
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:44,199
Speaker 1: minerals and nutritions. Now your kids take you have two children, Um,

167
00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,240
Speaker 1: do they take part in the entire process with you.

168
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,839
Speaker 1: They help, you know, they watch, they help eat. They

169
00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,840
Speaker 1: still don't know that they're eating liver. You know, they

170
00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,960
Speaker 1: like liver with onions. That's actually traditional or big tradition

171
00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,280
Speaker 1: in Europe where soon is your harvest any animal and

172
00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,200
Speaker 1: you have access to fire, you chop onions and you

173
00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,040
Speaker 1: eat that, you know, the red deer liver or road

174
00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,400
Speaker 1: deer liver. Um. So it's you know, they help and

175
00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: they see that. Now, I don't know if they're gonna

176
00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,839
Speaker 1: pursue that kind of lifestyle vib here, but options are

177
00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,840
Speaker 1: there for them. You know often they will remember. But um,

178
00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,680
Speaker 1: I am going exactly back as I grow up. I

179
00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,840
Speaker 1: mean I see that that you know, I want to

180
00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,560
Speaker 1: take care of myself. I want to take care of

181
00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,800
Speaker 1: the fire. Would I want to grow our own potatoes

182
00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 1: and carrots? I want to have my own honey, it's um,

183
00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,320
Speaker 1: you know up thirty years ago, I would I would

184
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,280
Speaker 1: not think that I would have that because it was

185
00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,840
Speaker 1: so distant. But yeah, well it seems it seems to

186
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,040
Speaker 1: calm you a bit. Yeah. I think the influence and

187
00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,320
Speaker 1: your childhood, how you grow up and where you grew up,

188
00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,240
Speaker 1: it just influenced you. And then later on you you

189
00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,480
Speaker 1: seek that and it's you know, it's up to you

190
00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240
Speaker 1: how deep you're gonna go over that. Yeah. I mean,

191
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,520
Speaker 1: you're you know, and you're professional life. You're a photographer

192
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:12,160
Speaker 1: for many brands, of course Cabela's being a big one. Um,

193
00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,920
Speaker 1: how do you balance those two thinks? I mean, you're

194
00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,880
Speaker 1: travel and we were just talking before we hit record

195
00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,920
Speaker 1: about your traveling and not being around Montana as much

196
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,640
Speaker 1: as you'd like to be. And but but but you

197
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,199
Speaker 1: need to travel the world and knowing a lot of

198
00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,760
Speaker 1: places and allowing that to inform how you live here

199
00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,680
Speaker 1: in Montana. Yeah. So I've been fortunate and last twenty

200
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,800
Speaker 1: five years I did get to travel quite a bad

201
00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,080
Speaker 1: around around the world. But it's nice too, always nice

202
00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,040
Speaker 1: to come home. Um, you know, you've got to do

203
00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,840
Speaker 1: something for a living. So I you know, I didn't

204
00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,560
Speaker 1: think I have a bad gig. I mean, I think

205
00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,360
Speaker 1: it's wonderful to just take photos and meet new people

206
00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:53,000
Speaker 1: in interact learning about different languages, cultures, meet people who

207
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,679
Speaker 1: are in all kind of professions and hear their stories.

208
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,839
Speaker 1: Um talking to hunting GUIDs in South Africa or else

209
00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,200
Speaker 1: rally or Germany, and just see what's their lives about,

210
00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,760
Speaker 1: how their backgrounds look like, how did they shelter their animals?

211
00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, what kind of fire, what kind of would

212
00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,479
Speaker 1: they use? You know, all those things are so interesting

213
00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,839
Speaker 1: for me. And and so the traveling is great. But

214
00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,360
Speaker 1: the one bad thing that I said, or not bad,

215
00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,880
Speaker 1: but it's just weird that I don't know very much

216
00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 1: about Montana. I get this request from local magazines and

217
00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,160
Speaker 1: I never been to those places. You know, Montana is

218
00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,839
Speaker 1: so big, so I would like to change it a

219
00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,320
Speaker 1: little bit and explore mort Montana and kind of balance

220
00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,440
Speaker 1: with the traveling. Traveling is around four months a year,

221
00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,080
Speaker 1: but the rest of them the rest of the time

222
00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm here. So yeah, I mean this is as I said,

223
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,040
Speaker 1: moving here for me. I mean, you just I feel

224
00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: like the opportunity, immense opportunity to explore the West is

225
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,520
Speaker 1: you could take me thirty years and I still wouldn't

226
00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,520
Speaker 1: have much knowledge of what I'd want to what I

227
00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,240
Speaker 1: want to go explore. But that's a fun that's a

228
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,160
Speaker 1: fun idea to have. I mean, I don't know, you know,

229
00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,760
Speaker 1: I think what informs a lot of your life is

230
00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,640
Speaker 1: how you grew up. I mean that's you know, and

231
00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 1: where you grew up. Um. Yeah, this is a big playground, yes,

232
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean if you are a hunter and fishermen and

233
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,200
Speaker 1: skier and you know, river guide or kayaker or mountain climber,

234
00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480
Speaker 1: ice climber. I mean, we have it. And it's just

235
00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,040
Speaker 1: amazing the variety of the outdoor sports we have here

236
00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,800
Speaker 1: and the people here. Last time we came here for

237
00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,320
Speaker 1: the Assada, I was struck that in your house was

238
00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,080
Speaker 1: like this wonderful bunch of wonderful people and they were

239
00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 1: from all over this country, in this world that had

240
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 1: collected here around your place and around this river and

241
00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,640
Speaker 1: this state. I mean it was amazing. Yeah. I mean

242
00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,120
Speaker 1: people in Bosman there are really nice. I mean people

243
00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,200
Speaker 1: in Montana and generally nice and and they're inquisitive. You know,

244
00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,440
Speaker 1: you meet these locals, they are they're asking you questions.

245
00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, there are these ranchers that they see where

246
00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,760
Speaker 1: you come from. What do you doing here? You know,

247
00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200
Speaker 1: why do you want to hunt? In his place where

248
00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, when you get to me and then they go, oh,

249
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,480
Speaker 1: we remember that our grandfather was from Czechoslovakia, or it

250
00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,600
Speaker 1: was from Germany, or I never felt once living in

251
00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,920
Speaker 1: the US that somebody would be prejudice because they come

252
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,360
Speaker 1: from different countries. I think it works to our advantages.

253
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,720
Speaker 1: I always say. And and you know, there's so much

254
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,680
Speaker 1: public land to hunt in the top of it. There's

255
00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,200
Speaker 1: so much private land that you could hunt. You just

256
00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,360
Speaker 1: have to go and knock in the door, you know,

257
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,600
Speaker 1: not one month before the season opened or the opening day,

258
00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,280
Speaker 1: but go there in May and June and and put

259
00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 1: a little work in it. Yeah, helping with the cattle,

260
00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,720
Speaker 1: is helping with the fans, and not too many doors

261
00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,120
Speaker 1: will be closed. That's right. Yeah, I've found it. I

262
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,240
Speaker 1: found a lot of places in the country, but especially here.

263
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Texas has its own way of treating people

264
00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360
Speaker 1: in its own culture and and there's some bravado and

265
00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,880
Speaker 1: brashness there, but here in my Tanna, there's it's it's welcoming.

266
00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't speak like they speak

267
00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,440
Speaker 1: here in order, you you bet, but that but that

268
00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got quite a community along this river

269
00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,160
Speaker 1: where people are your neighbors, and you're you know you're

270
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,000
Speaker 1: And my wife is in well, she loves the local community.

271
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 1: She's part of this group of um, a woman of

272
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,880
Speaker 1: the dirt. There's a group of eighty or ninety ladies

273
00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:36,080
Speaker 1: dirty woman and they surround themselves with this old experience,

274
00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,200
Speaker 1: people who who've been garnering for sixty seventy years, who've

275
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,120
Speaker 1: been dealing with animals and issue in Montana for many years,

276
00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,280
Speaker 1: and just share the informations. You know, the exchange eggs

277
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,760
Speaker 1: for breeding stocks were I don't know, different types of

278
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,720
Speaker 1: chickens and what tools to use, how to check the

279
00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,920
Speaker 1: soil for pH and in a million out of ten,

280
00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,800
Speaker 1: don't listen, everybody out there, listen, don't google Dirty Women Montana.

281
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,800
Speaker 1: You're not going to get that club of the woman

282
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,920
Speaker 1: of the dirt club. Now, your wife is a very

283
00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,280
Speaker 1: impressive person as well. And you guys have um the

284
00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,720
Speaker 1: life you have carved out here is is is amazing.

285
00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,560
Speaker 1: And your kids are are amazing. I mean they look

286
00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,080
Speaker 1: you in the eye, they shake your hand. I mean,

287
00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,600
Speaker 1: they're you know, wonderful people in their own right. I mean,

288
00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,680
Speaker 1: and what are your philosophies on raising children? And and

289
00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean you brought him here to Montana for a reason.

290
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Yeah, I think you know. I love kids.

291
00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:43,920
Speaker 1: I love being with them. Yeah, and I didn't have

292
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000
Speaker 1: the greatest example when I was a kid. You know,

293
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,120
Speaker 1: my parents would the wars when I was year old.

294
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,120
Speaker 1: My fire was drinking a lot, so there was lots

295
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,000
Speaker 1: of struggles there. There are lots of abuses, but I

296
00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,000
Speaker 1: always say the both of the parents showed me a

297
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,760
Speaker 1: beautiful example how now to do things, so I always

298
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,240
Speaker 1: think about it and just try to do different. Now

299
00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,280
Speaker 1: we're seeing some people in my village where they were

300
00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,520
Speaker 1: interacting with the kids, where they were they were loving them,

301
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,399
Speaker 1: they were putting hands on them, they were kissing them,

302
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,639
Speaker 1: they were just you know they and I always just

303
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,320
Speaker 1: envy that um and that's what I want to have.

304
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,440
Speaker 1: So when somebody asked me, we're only gonna have kids,

305
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,960
Speaker 1: it's like, what do you mean to win? I mean,

306
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,040
Speaker 1: I just like, I will have kids as soon as

307
00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,840
Speaker 1: I can. That's part of the life that I want

308
00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,760
Speaker 1: to live. It's nice to raise another set of kids

309
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,080
Speaker 1: that will appreciate this world. There may be contribute with

310
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,880
Speaker 1: something and just keep going. Yeah, your kids are are

311
00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,679
Speaker 1: great examples of thank you, adjusted human beings. UM. So

312
00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,840
Speaker 1: I think people a lot learn a lot from the

313
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,200
Speaker 1: way you guys treat that with their lives a little

314
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,679
Speaker 1: where they live. Yeah, thank you. Yeah they are they

315
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,200
Speaker 1: are good kids. And I read somewhere that they are

316
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,359
Speaker 1: my kids, but they're not mine. They're the kids of

317
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,879
Speaker 1: the world. You basically we cannot You can show them,

318
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 1: you can take them to places, but you really cannot

319
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,440
Speaker 1: make them to do. They can do their own thing.

320
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,720
Speaker 1: So it will be I'm very excited to see what

321
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,879
Speaker 1: would become of them. You know, how they're gonna, how

322
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna deal with their life. You know what can

323
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,120
Speaker 1: the jobs still have? Maybe those jobs are not created

324
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,359
Speaker 1: yet for them. You know this, everything goes so fast nowadays,

325
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,320
Speaker 1: and see how they're going to balance it now. I

326
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,360
Speaker 1: think I had the advantage to grow up in them.

327
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 1: What would you say, a poor community, but wealthy and

328
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,480
Speaker 1: relations between people. Um. And you know, moving to us

329
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,679
Speaker 1: and living here, I have everything that can possible ask for.

330
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, you just we are getting We are well

331
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 1: paid here, We have the opportunity to do whatever we want.

332
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 1: The things are relatively inexpensive. You can save lots of money,

333
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 1: um and we'll see what happened to them, you know,

334
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 1: see how they're gonna see if they're gonna see the

335
00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,679
Speaker 1: opportunity or or not. Well, it's such a perspective that

336
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 1: you have on that right, because you know, how you

337
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 1: grew up is so different. How that how they're going up.

338
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 1: And you can tell them listen, this is you are lucky. Yeah,

339
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 1: you can't tell them, but you can over boil that pot,

340
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, because he just they were tired of it.

341
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 1: So I will. You know, I took my son already

342
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,720
Speaker 1: to Europe a couple of years ago, and he gets

343
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 1: to see where I grew up, where I live. You

344
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: get to see the soccer field that I play soccer,

345
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 1: and he did play. He went to the mountains where

346
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,640
Speaker 1: behind he saw the cemetery in the church, and just

347
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 1: exposing to those things. I think they should on their

348
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: own somehow realized when they get back to us that

349
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: what they have. Yeah, so I'm hoping that that would work,

350
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 1: but they they need more visits. So we are doing

351
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 1: another visit next year to Spain, and and I think

352
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 1: that is it's kind of important for kids to see

353
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: the world so they can put things in perspective, provide

354
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 1: perspective and let it go from there. And we know

355
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: that too. I mean you try travel, travel and you go,

356
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 1: like you said, you go to Nepal and you see

357
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: somebody's boy holding basketvid apples but has bigger smile than

358
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 1: somebody who has a brand new Cadillac. Yeah. Yeah, we

359
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: could go on that subject for days. But yes, I

360
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 1: think we talked about that last time we were here,

361
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: and roughly remember through the break the all the stomach

362
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 1: full of lamb and a belly full of brandy that

363
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: we talked about that. But it is the perspective of

364
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: the world. You know. It can inform you, for sure,

365
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: but it ala can drive you to you know, to

366
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 1: be a better version of yourself. Um that it certainly

367
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: has for me because it's one of those things where

368
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm always stopping to, you know, adjust, you know, if

369
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated from traffic or if I'm frustrated from something

370
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: at work, and I stopped adjusting, like, wow, how is

371
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: this bringing me happiness? And why am I not allowing

372
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: it to? You know, someone with nothing in Nepal or

373
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 1: wherever you find that person is can smile and play

374
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: a song well and abject poverty. Why can't I find

375
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: that same smile when I'm you know, sitting on the

376
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: heated seat driving to work. Well, it's a community and

377
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: it's a people, you know. Um the realtors have the

378
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: famous saying location, location, locations, Well, I think the people,

379
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: people people, It's kind of more important to me. It's

380
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: your personality, It's your uniqueness. Did you get to use

381
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: in work or with your friends and that kind of

382
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: influence and craft your journey through this world. So if

383
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: you surround yourself with the right people that will help you,

384
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: they don't drain you. Um, and and outdoors has the

385
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: tendency to make better people. You know. I haven't seen

386
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: these trips, gosh, I've been. I mean, well, let's say

387
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: over a hundred hundred trips around the world. Then you

388
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: have all these people. You get ten guests, they go

389
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: with me or more sell them. You find someone who

390
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: is not happy holding fishing ground or gun in their hands,

391
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just like, well, what happened to

392
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: all these nasty people that you read about? You know

393
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: all this? It's just the outdoors have tendency to just

394
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: just make you better, to relax you. And I don't

395
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: know if that's the exercise. Did you get with that hunting?

396
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: Or or it's just being up there for fresh air.

397
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's there's it's a complex tale of what

398
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: it actually gives you, but it works something. Yes, it

399
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: is a medicine and written part of my struggle. I'm

400
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: sure you have it too. Is it when you get

401
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: that medicine and you go wow? Without it, you're you

402
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: suffer yourself suffers you you got you think? Wow? Man,

403
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: I could use a day just so. The Bozeman is

404
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: a perfect example when you have the builderness experience and

405
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: the beauty of outdoors, yet do you have all the

406
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: amenity of modern life. We have electricities, we have propanes,

407
00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: we have roads. It's not too far to time. Yeah,

408
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's My wife said that. I

409
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: mean she's not an outdoors these type of person um

410
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: really at all, but she just said seeing the mountains

411
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: provide some comfort that I can't explain. It's like just

412
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: looking out there and seeing that provides something that I

413
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: can't There's something I can't articulate like I can articulate

414
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: because I've been on those mountains. It's it's that medicine

415
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: that I can see it every morning I wake up

416
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: like if if life is to get me down, if

417
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: if I'm spun up in a way that I can't overcome,

418
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: I'll just go over there and I'll climb that mountain

419
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: and just keep going. And there are millions of acres

420
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: around here. And one of my favorite things earlier was

421
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: to go chase elk with the bow and by myself

422
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: for eight ten days, just fill up the back back

423
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: with spam and sardines and bread and begels and gar

424
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: leak and onions, and just go ahead and pretend that

425
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: was the that was the Indian and just try to

426
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: mess up with the elk and slip under the open skies.

427
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, the access to that, Yeah, I

428
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: mean it's it settles you somehow, even just know when

429
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: it's there, even if you're too busy to get to

430
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: it all the time. Like I can see it at

431
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: least I know if the dire straits are here, I

432
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: can retreat, get back to get back to that mountain.

433
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: But you know you grew up in Czechoslvakia. Um, I

434
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: mean I'd love to hear the whole story, really, I

435
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: mean tell me about you know, the place, the people,

436
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: your parents, your upbringing. So it's a small village in

437
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the Carpathian mountains named Krivani. You know that bad five

438
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: people lived there, but each house have three generations, you know,

439
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: living together. And that was I think that was kind

440
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: of unique because you really were better prepared for the

441
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: world because you have the comfort of your parents and

442
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: also the wisdom of your grandparents, and you can reach

443
00:24:52,840 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: into that well and just drink it when you need it. Um.

444
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: So everybody had their animals. Everybody had the garden. You know,

445
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: they have communal way of taking turns in grazing the animals.

446
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Every morning they would open the gate and all the

447
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: cows with bells would come out and one guy would

448
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: take him in the mountain's graze and bring them back.

449
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: It was somebody's elster. Next day with cheap they've done

450
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: same thing. It was the small community where hunting was respected.

451
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: You know, in Czech Republic the name for hunters miss Levetts,

452
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: which means double meaning could be hunter or the one

453
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: who would think. Because the hunter actually have to make

454
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: the decision to to see which animal to eliminate from

455
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: the pool. From the pool, you know, he looked at

456
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: the stag and said, all the stag is to all

457
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: things to get out, you know, he was danger goring

458
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: other stags, or he was it was no good. Or

459
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: there were younger animals where um they didn't grow well,

460
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: so they need to be eliminated from the pool. And

461
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier um and it just you know,

462
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the responsibility of a hunter. Yeah,

463
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: and you got to go to school. I think we

464
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: went for a couple of years or one year to school.

465
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: And you have to learn the fauna and florac is

466
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of fun fuel Latin. The names. You have to

467
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: learn how many egx pheasant lays, what's the incubations? And

468
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: you learned about stream about fish, about trees, different kind

469
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: of tree, hardwood, softwood, and then it was kind of interesting.

470
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Then you had to put as many as hours as

471
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: you put on working around forests. For example, you were

472
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: building tree stands, you were clear picking trash, you were

473
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: building bridges over the streams. How many hours you put

474
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: that counts towards um you know, better selections of the game.

475
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: You could hunt. For example, if you put ten hours,

476
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: you only get two hunt rabbits, but you put hundred hours,

477
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: you get two hundred stack. So it was something more

478
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: than just go buy a license and go hunting, which

479
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a different system, but people were

480
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: more connected with it. But so as a kids, you know,

481
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: we love to hang with hunters. I mean, those whiskery

482
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: gray faces. They were, you know, drinking plumber and they

483
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: they have a little flask, and they were sitting by

484
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: the fire and telling stories about how they out fox fox,

485
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: sitting in the haystacks, and and just waiting for them

486
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: to come where wolf stories. And of course every kid

487
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be cowboy. In Indian you know, we we

488
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: had these books from Germany by writer's name Karl May.

489
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Then we have some books Fennimore Cooper, the Last of

490
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the Mohicans. And I love reading. I mean I was

491
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: a book red. I was reading in a school, in

492
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: a church, in a train, under blankets, just reading and reading.

493
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: And I was fascinated by the wild West. You know

494
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: how people can ride horses and sleep in the tps

495
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: and shoot their bows and trove spears and live. So

496
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I was always dreaming as a man, I would like

497
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: to do that. And I was eight ten twelve and

498
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: one of those books. One year there was a name Montana,

499
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: and I just really loved that name Montana. It's like, well,

500
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. Okay, well eleven twelve, you just

501
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: really you know, you cannot predict your future. But um,

502
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Communists of course would not let you

503
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: leave because everybody would leave and there would be nobody

504
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: to work for them. But as things start changing in

505
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: you know, the Soviets were losing grains and losing the

506
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: Cold War, I keep applying for six years to get out,

507
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm gonna go to Montana and I

508
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: want to see my mother. My mother at that time

509
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: was living in West Germany that I know, did not

510
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: know very much about her, but I used her as

511
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: an example that I want to see her as a humans,

512
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: right just to writing letter to United Nations and everywhere.

513
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: And you know, they said, well, if you put one

514
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: more year at to work, I said okay, and oh,

515
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: if you go to military for two years, I said, okay.

516
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: Well I get back from military after a couple of years,

517
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: and they said, oh no, we were joking, you're not

518
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: going anywhere now you're in. Well, now I'm twenty twenty one,

519
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm exploding, you know, I'm just troublemaker, as like I

520
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: want to get out. I don't. That's what the Communism

521
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: finally grab ahold of me. Because when you're a kid,

522
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: you really don't understand. You don't understand what's going on.

523
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Why all these people are so depressed, Why all the

524
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: people drink while all the people have no freedom. You know,

525
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: they cannot own guns, they cannot always, they cannot, they

526
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: cannot do very much. You know, they can just celebrate

527
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: their march for the communists. They finally grabbed me. That's

528
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: what this is a strange place. I feel like a

529
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: sheep in a shelter where I am just surrounded and

530
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: tell what to do all the time. Some more letters,

531
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: more more annoyances for them and me, until one day

532
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I just got this letter that, oh you can go

533
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: to us permission. Granted, It's like, what the heck happened?

534
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: So um, there was a chain of command where I

535
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: have to apply. You have to apply to my direct

536
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: boss and bosses boss and bosses boss and twenty other

537
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: people past that have to approve before you can get

538
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: to the main guy at the end, who was living

539
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: in Prague. But all of a sudden, I just keep

540
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: all these guys and I wrote in direct letter, that's

541
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: my human rights with my matter, and I want to go,

542
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: and he just replaced it. What goes on? So I

543
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: got the permission. I get the US Embassy in Prague,

544
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: and I see all these German jumping fences, you know,

545
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: German from East Germany were kind of jumping fences to

546
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: West German embassy. And things were changing slowly in the

547
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: big cities. But we didn't know that. You know, we

548
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: were in the mountains. We didn't have any local news

549
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: or anything other than you know what my grandfather was

550
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: listening to BBC or Voice of America. Well, it seems

551
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: like there was a stark change, like as a child,

552
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: there's some romance and and you know where you were.

553
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: And then as you grew up, you started to realize,

554
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bigger world. There's a bigger world,

555
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: and I'm in a communist cage here that yeah, And

556
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: if we didn't know anything, you know, the communists will

557
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: tell us, if you keep working hard, you're gonna have

558
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: really good lifestyle, just like the Russians have. All the

559
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Russian had world lifestyle. Then we did, you know, And

560
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I also we didn't know anything about the US other

561
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: than um. You know, during the depression, many checks in

562
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: Slovak left for America, so we would have every third

563
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: fourth house would have a family member that immigrated to US.

564
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: So we really like America. Did you get a lot

565
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: of stories back from there? We did, but it was

566
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: all deceiving because my grandfather always said Americans always wear

567
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: white clothes all day long. Oh well maybe butcher or somebody,

568
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean we don't know, you know, they

569
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: were white eyes and white clothes. My friends, yeah, my

570
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: friends thought that Americans are sitting in the ditches because

571
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: that's what we were doing as a kids, you know,

572
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: running them out and sitting in the ditches, put your

573
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: feet up, sticking in one hand, and was just beating

574
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: bushes and said, all they do just sit in those

575
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: ditches and fried chicken come by. They just grab it

576
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: and need it. I mean totals, I mean sign what

577
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: do you call it? Sign? Sci fi? I saw. We

578
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: had no idea how people live in US, absolutely, you know.

579
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: So when I come to the US, finally, when I

580
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: get the permissions and I can go, my mother took

581
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: me to Walmart or Kmart, and I couldn't believe it,

582
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, from this little store when they were selling beer, butter, wine,

583
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and bread. They were everything. Forty different breads, twenty different butters,

584
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of different wines, and shoes and clothes

585
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: and tools. You know, I knew pitchfork and shovel and

586
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: maybe rake. What there are tools that had no idea

587
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: what do you do with? So I spent all day,

588
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: all day in that store, and next day asked me

589
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: where you want to go back to Walmart? I still

590
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: have some things to see there. So we were living

591
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: completely in the darkness. And you know that was thirty

592
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: years ago, not that far and what a different world

593
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Yeah, yeah, I think. And your mother

594
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: came with you. You know, my mom took a vacation

595
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: from West Germany, that's what she lived, and she went

596
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: to her there and she decided to stay there for

597
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: a while. But it wasn't for her. She had a

598
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: hard time to learn language, and and she was kind

599
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: of disappointed why so many people are so poor with

600
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: all the possibilities they have. She couldn't understand why everybody

601
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: were leaving paycheck to paycheck, So I don't think it

602
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: was for her. So she left went back to Germany

603
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and I. You know, I stayed in Florida for a year,

604
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: and um, I couldn't speak in English. You know, there

605
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: was just shaking hands and moving eyes and smile. Uh.

606
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of interesting feeling. To this day,

607
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: I still like not to understand. I mean it really

608
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Yeah, it really just brings something out of

609
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: you that you really tried to get across, but not orally.

610
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: But it's moving hard, yeah, and it's it was kind

611
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: of fun. So I stayed and I went to school.

612
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: After after work, I was working at the boatyard scraping

613
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: barnacles and painting boats and working the body shops. Um,

614
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, grinding cars and taping windows because those jobs

615
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: you really don't have to speak English. Do you remember

616
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: the first folks? I kind of that you would say,

617
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: it took you in and yeah. So there was a

618
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: people at the Wrinkling Breader circus, and lots of those

619
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: circus people were from all over the Europe. They immigrated

620
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: or they got kind of sponsorship or something. And my

621
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: mother told me about the lady who is from Czech Republic,

622
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: and she was good and trampoline and trapees and ropes.

623
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Her name was Maria. She was a wonderful lady, and

624
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: so I just went to her. And I didn't want

625
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: to knock in the door because I showed it in midnight.

626
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: So I just spent my first name under the palm tree.

627
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: And I was so thirsty and so hungry, and I

628
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: saw this beautiful um oranges hanging, said, I grabbed one

629
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: and I bide it and it was just not ready,

630
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: but you know, it was it was this feeling that

631
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: what the heck am I doing here? In the morning,

632
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: I started hearing some dishes and noises and knocking the

633
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: door and says, hi, and lets do John. And my

634
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: mom said that she knows a friend of your friend.

635
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: And I was just wondering if you can help me.

636
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: Like he's looking at me, I was like, oh yeah,

637
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: come in and let's have a coffee. So we started

638
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: talking and then um, she asked him, what am I

639
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna do? You know? She was living at that time

640
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: with her grandson who was eight years old, and I

641
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: kind of play with the kid a little bit. And

642
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: after I stayed there a couple of days, she said,

643
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I stay another week. So I helped her with the house.

644
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: I was breaking lan, cutting grass, cleaning, different things. You said,

645
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: I stay another month. I said, you know what, you

646
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: can just stay as long as you want. So she

647
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: really helps me, you know, to to just to just

648
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: understand that I need help. And I was able to

649
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: find a job and take care of myself. And but

650
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: the Florida wasn't for me. You know. I grew up

651
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: in the mountains. I like to hike. I like to

652
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: you always. And I know you said Montana was interesting

653
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: to you from the beginning, but I mean getting out

654
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: of communists, Republic, getting every here. Was it always Montana

655
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: for you or did you just lose it and find

656
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: it again when you got to know? I always started Montana.

657
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: And when teacher, you know school at they call s classes,

658
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: English is the second language, that was asking what would

659
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: you want to do? Where do you want to go?

660
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: So when I could say Montana, I said, well I

661
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: want to go to Montana said well, what are you

662
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna do there? It's like, well, I was in the

663
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: forest trees, so I can be lumberjack loger. I mean

664
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Montana must have lots of trees. Um. And my teacher, um,

665
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, she was very cool. She she actually was

666
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: teaching English on the on the guard Brooks tape. You know,

667
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: so the old tapes when you put in the recorder

668
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: come with a little paper folder. And then the singer

669
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: was singing, you could follow with the words. The problem

670
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: was there was lots of slang, you know, so we

671
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: just do you remember any Garth brook song? Oh yeah, gosh,

672
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I remember all of them from that song I got

673
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: friends in the low Place. Yeah, that was awesome. So

674
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: that was upgrading because before that teacher just came to

675
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: the board and drop pictures of cat and go meo meo,

676
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: meo cat dog. So that's how we have to start.

677
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: You know, you have this twenty seven year adults and

678
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: we are learning language. I'm coming ever, we're gonna come over,

679
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: bring Garth, drink brandy. And that's about the fire. That's

680
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: because products. That's where the good days. And then that

681
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: the school teacher introduced me to another wonderful lady. Her

682
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: name is Cissy, and she was moving back to Bosman.

683
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: So I said, well, um, come with you, and he goes, oh,

684
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I would love to take her. She was just very nice,

685
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, my dear friend. Now she was driving along

686
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: you old truckby trailer and she did have no experience.

687
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: I said her cutting corners, and I was in military.

688
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: When I was in military, was driving, Semi said say

689
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: I can help me the driving. So I drove her

690
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: to Montana and we got here I think in nineteen

691
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: ninety one, ninety two in March, and I partied you

692
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: truck in the Bozeman. I was full of snow and

693
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: there was this little girl barefooted, standing in the snow

694
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: looking at Mabe their arms up and goes, let me

695
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: get this straight. Are you moving in or moving out?

696
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: So I thought, well, this is gonna be a good place.

697
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: And you know, with all this opportunity that I have

698
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: to live anywhere else, this was gold mine. How many

699
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: people lived in both I guess there were not too many.

700
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: And we didn't have all the amenities. You know, we

701
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: had all kerosene burners in the bar where every ten

702
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: minutes they go everybody moved out and big jet of

703
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: heat come in, turn it off and come back, come

704
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: back just drinking again. So it's a different time nowadays,

705
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: but changes there's nothing you can do. It's it's a progression,

706
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: but it's still good. I mean, despite you see more

707
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: traffic and more people. I mean, it's still wonderful place.

708
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: To live. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's

709
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: it's strikes me that I was. I certainly did not

710
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: grow up in in the same environment you did, but

711
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: I had a similar you know, like Montana was always

712
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: this place, this place that I used to watch A

713
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Lonesome Dove is here. So that show, okay, yeah, with

714
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Michael London. It was, um it was written by H.

715
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: James McMurtry. Okay, so that that was a little house

716
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: in the prairie that I'm doing now, and this was

717
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: it was. It was in the eight say the eighties

718
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: or early nineties. Robert Duval and Tommy Lee Jones played

719
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: two cowboys that were the first to drive cattle from

720
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: Texas to Montana to Texas rangers. And you know, I

721
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: lived on the East coast. We didn't have buffalo, we

722
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: didn't have elk. We had deer and turkeys and geese.

723
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: And I lived in the suburbs. But I remember watching that.

724
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: We watched that every Christmas. And I watched that, and

725
00:39:53,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: I think, uh, Montana, Montana the romantic name. Yes, it's

726
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 1: you can go anywhetable dimension Monday, And I think people

727
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: visualize this cowboys and cowboy hats and horses and Indians

728
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: and the mountains. Yeah, and we got that. You know,

729
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: we have the community of people. The one thing we

730
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: don't have here our factories and jobs. So I don't

731
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: get it. How everybody can you know, move here and

732
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: there's lost by big house and buy new cars and

733
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: buy properties and just keep you know, keep living here.

734
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: The dream you had and the kind of is the

735
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: similar dream that I had can't be unique to us.

736
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people when they have wealth and

737
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of means and can choose where they

738
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: might want to go, A lot of people choose here,

739
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I think for a good reason. Yeah, it'll be interesting

740
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: how much longer we can sustain this growth. Yeah, maybe

741
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: if we get a couple of bad winners and everybody

742
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: it is the winters are long, so you do have

743
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: to stay entertained. Yeah. And I would say coming here,

744
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: having lived some different places and living in the Midwest,

745
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: that the cold here is it's like it's a refreshing cold.

746
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: It's not steen degrees right now, blue sky, but it's sunny.

747
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: The sun just makes you happy. And the cold is

748
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: dry cold, and it's not a humidity there. It's not

749
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: a thick cold. You have your jockets on and you're fine,

750
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: keep on going. Plus you have to do some kind

751
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: of outer activities. So when the dark comes at four

752
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: o'clock very early, yes you are tired. You know, you're

753
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: been skiing or you were hunting or something. So you

754
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: can you can build a fire and grab a book

755
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: and relax. I mean, I love December, January, February. Those

756
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: are the months where I take time off. You sit

757
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: there and you drink here tea and your brandy and cook,

758
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, cook all the things and then in the

759
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: pit or in the comados or the woodstoes or pointies

760
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. Heck, it's fantastic. I come with. When you

761
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: think about the way a hunter is treated in your

762
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: and your culture and the czechlos Foking culture and how

763
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: you grew up, how would you compare that to how

764
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: hunter is treated in you know, our modern Oh. One

765
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: thing I would say right away would be used more meat. Yes,

766
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, don't just go for the backstraps and tangeloins.

767
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the meat that has the minerals

768
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: and nutritions. It's the liver, it's the lungs, it's the heart,

769
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's the tribe if you can handle it.

770
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the predator when he

771
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: kills animals, he doesn't go for the stakes, works his

772
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: way into the liver, into the heart. So maybe be

773
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: more resourceful and learned and and Steve might be a

774
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: good example. How he you know, I keep you here.

775
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't have a TV, so I don't haven't seen

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: any of his show, but I keep hearing good things.

777
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: How he educating my house? Bring the brain? Um, so

778
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: the meat would be wanting that. The second would be

779
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: taking advantage of those of this of those tags that

780
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: you get locally, know, for twenty dollars or eighteen dollars,

781
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: you get envelope tech, el tech and deer. But there

782
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: is your protein for the winner. Why should you go

783
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: to store and buy something else, you know, other than

784
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: maybe bacon. I mean, if you think you get three

785
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of meat for twenty dollars ticket for ELK,

786
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally worth it. But you know, I'm

787
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: a meat hunter. I I look at those animals and

788
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: I scouting. I'm looking for year links right away. I mean,

789
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm practicing them when I'm driving in a road, when

790
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: I see herds of caribou while we are fishing, I'm

791
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: trying to pick if I can find those zeer links um.

792
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: So as a meat hunter, definitely, just you know, get

793
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: more meat and eat more of that animal. You know,

794
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: everything is there. And if you have a farm or

795
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: or dogs, you know, the road diet for the dogs

796
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: is one of the things that I find to be

797
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: the best thing for the dog is. I mean, what

798
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: can be better than you know, deliver or heart or

799
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: some of the meats from deer or elk um and

800
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: you know they're even the rip kidge if you don't

801
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: eat the ribs and there's still meat and you don't

802
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: want it. Chicken loves that, you know, they picked completely. Yeah,

803
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: they pick the high. If you have any meat left

804
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: in the high, they try it. The chickens they strip it,

805
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, and they need that protein too. So I

806
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: mean we are not like a Native Americans, would they

807
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, reuse everything out of the buffalo, you know,

808
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: absolutely everything. But I think we can do better jobs.

809
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: When you think, think about the reverence and the respect

810
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: that the community that your community had for hunters, and

811
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: if you had a term to describe that respect, like

812
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I love when you say thinker I think, how do

813
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: you think that we've gotten to a place where we

814
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: kind of had the opposite? I mean, hunters in our society,

815
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: aren't I was, you know, I was thinking about it.

816
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: Why we have such a bad reputation. And that was

817
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: ten or twelve years ago when I was traveling in

818
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: the plane and said I photographed hunters and some people

819
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: get turned off there, so well, why don't you photograph

820
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: just landscape as well? What's from photographing hunters of fishermen's um.

821
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: So somebody's done a bad pr for hunters, but also

822
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: somebody's done bad PR for the loggers, and that was

823
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: my professions. You know, if somebody displayed clear cuts that

824
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: they were used to take advantage of clear cut instead

825
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: of selective cutting, and you have to photos of one

826
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: of clear cut and all growth, then you show it

827
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: to anybody, But what they're gonna say, you know, the

828
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: old growth is much better than clear cut. So somebody's

829
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: done not so good PR. But maybe thinking after these

830
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: California fires, they may be thinking different, that's right. I mean,

831
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: if you have October's I mean not October's but August

832
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: in the ashes, everyday ash and you are breeding head

833
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: and we are not taking advantage over natural resources. We're

834
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: not tanning those forests. We're not going there to get

835
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: our firewood. We just you know, want to protect it.

836
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: But that's not going to have it. That's not gonna

837
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: be good outcome. It's just gonna burn and more burn,

838
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: and we've seen it and not good. And with the hunting.

839
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: I really don't I really don't know. Perhaps it's the image,

840
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, as a photographer, when I photographed guy with

841
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: let's say, dear, I want to get it as tastefully

842
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: as possible. Simple things, you know, not too much blood,

843
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: no tongues hanging out, not sitting on it, grabbing their

844
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: horns like you know. It's it's it's it's the stereotype.

845
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: That's how those people were doing it, and that that

846
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: might have been good for or fifty years ago. But

847
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: now we have different channels of those photos. They can

848
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: spread much quicker than used to. You know, before you

849
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: had a photo in your pocket, you show it to

850
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: ups man, to your post office man, your body, your

851
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: your waitress in the restaurant, and that was it. But

852
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: now you post one ugly photo of what I call

853
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: we're not tastefully done with it. With the deer hunting

854
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: and it just takes off. And you know they can

855
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: use those photos against us as the mean, you've been

856
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: an inch if requite a while, you've seen it change.

857
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean have you seen you know, the the hunting

858
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: industry change over your time? Yeah? Well I think we

859
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: You know, I get ask what's my favorite clothing or

860
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: what's the favorite gear or what is it's a pair

861
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: of lungs, and you help what you got in the

862
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: muscles and desire? How many months you want to climb

863
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: that you cannot buy? You know, so you can wear

864
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: wool pans they are thirty years old. You still can

865
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: get things done, you know, celess talking, you know, more hunting,

866
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: researching on your own, being a good shape. And now

867
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: but that's when I struggle. Now do we need fully

868
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: automatic or semi auto guns for hunting? I don't, you know,

869
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm fine with single shots, I'm fine with the with

870
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: the double shots shotguns over under. But if some people

871
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: need it, um, that is interesting. You know, if you

872
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: if you put hunter with oh with you know, with

873
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: several different guns that he needs for shooting, it's it's

874
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: just a different feeling, you know. I really don't associate

875
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: with that. I really don't see how. You know, some

876
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: guys love to shoot elkan nine hundred yards. Well I'm

877
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: the opposite. I want to be there in twenty yards,

878
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see what happened, was able

879
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: to I mean that just kind of increase your pleasure

880
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: of stocking spider the stock if you just way back

881
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: up there and you shoot. Although you know, to some

882
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: people it's satisfying, you know, they love doing it, but

883
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: it's not my cup of tea. You as you said earlier,

884
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: you grew up in a place where you had to

885
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: learn the flora and fauna. You had to learn how

886
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: animals interacted with humans, how they interact with the world

887
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: around him. And you're immersed in that world and how

888
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: why would you want to remove yourself from it by

889
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: using technology to make it easier? Because all that, all

890
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: the technologies, is stripping away the relationship that you had

891
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: and takes away your skills that you can build or

892
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: improve in and get even better. So yeah, no one

893
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: saying don't use technology, but but but some I'll limit

894
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: yourself and some states are better than either. You know,

895
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Montana has you know for bow hunting, you cannot use

896
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: too many electronics things eliminations. But to me, spot and stock,

897
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: it's still the best type of hunting, no matter what

898
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: do you do. And that's been forever, and that really

899
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: challenge you. Now, if I don't get done with my bow,

900
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: if I don't get if I don't get the harvest

901
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: elk in my bow, I will get a rifle. You know.

902
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm gonna be hungry. But I tried

903
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: to get every two bow and then go to the rifle.

904
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: So but I still kind of walking around and I

905
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: cannot say why we have a bet pr as the hunters.

906
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that would be something. What are your thoughts?

907
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a few questions I'd like to

908
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: ask myself a lot. And we were talking about this

909
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: the other day and like the point of you know,

910
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: what what I'm doing for a living, and really what

911
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: you're doing for a living. But one of them is

912
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: one of them is why, And I think it this

913
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: is is this way for everyone. But one of the

914
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: questions is why is killing gratifying? Right? Why? Because regardless

915
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: of why you're killing it, the killing is gratifying for you.

916
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure as someone who hunts, particularly for meat is

917
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: gratifying because you're feeding yourself and your family. Um, let's see,

918
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: I do that every week. I'll go kill chickens or

919
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: I kill a lamb. So it's it's I don't think twice.

920
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: You know, I just tried to find either the weakest

921
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: animal that I don't need anymore, or the one that

922
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: I call yum yum, you know, the yearling ones, and

923
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't never, I never is there

924
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: a gratification in that? Still, I am not sure the

925
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: gratifications where I get. I'm just seeing these homy pigeons

926
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: flying around when I get to kill them, Yeah, I

927
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: mean I select them. I breed them to be good athletes,

928
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: and if somebody don't have it, I have to call

929
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: them and I get gratifications there. And I don't know

930
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: why because my luck is shrinking and should be better

931
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: because I'm selecting. I'm hoping that that's what it is,

932
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: because it's not really I just want to kill for

933
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: to see blood. I mean, I really don't care about it.

934
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: But I never actually even question myself, why do you

935
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: like killing? You're just kind of natural. I want to eat.

936
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: I have, I have stomach that I have to constantly.

937
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: But it's like that's a deeper So you know, this

938
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: is not a question anybody can really answer, but it's

939
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: a question. I think it's the question that the world

940
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: at large would like us to be able to answer,

941
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Like why why is killing gratifying? Like what is the

942
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: thing because it is? Some people say, well, it's gratifying

943
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: because it is the end of an inexperience that you know,

944
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's attack, it's a challenge. I have to

945
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: acquire these skills. But there's still lots of work after that. Yeah,

946
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: actually most of the work. I mean when once you

947
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: harvest your animal, take care of the start safely back

948
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: to your dinner play. Yeah. So but I think for

949
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: every hunter, that's beautiful that these homing pies just fly

950
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: like the extras sizing they're beautiful. Yeah, thank you. I

951
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. We're going to talk about that.

952
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: And definitely, so it's so cool what you do. Um.

953
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: But I think I think that's one question at all

954
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: all of us could could you could grapple with Yeah,

955
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: I could see if somebody would ask me, okay, why

956
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: do you like to han elk? Yeah? Okay, well, if

957
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: you have five days and you want to come with me,

958
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: you have to get it on your own. I am

959
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: not the talented to express myself why I'm doing it.

960
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Come with me and you'll see. I mean the sheer, exercise,

961
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: the fresh air, the things that you get to mumbo

962
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: jumbo in your head, visiting your friends, your nemesis, your experiences,

963
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: your sex life, whatever. Everything is there, and it is

964
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: brewing and coming out in the surface, and you're sorting

965
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: it out and you become better in persons than you

966
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: and then bang, there's elk you shot at. You drag it,

967
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: more exercise, you bring it home. You learn more skills

968
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: because you have to butcher yourself. Then you have to

969
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: praccess it. Then you get to cook it, then you

970
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: get to eat it. And if you stay with me

971
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: during this period, perhaps you will understand why. Yeah, that's

972
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: why it's It's the funny everybody experiences. I think that

973
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: hunts is like you're enriched by it to a point

974
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: that you can't explain. But then the world wants you

975
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: to explain it. They're like, explain that to me. I

976
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: don't get it. Yeah, that would take some people than

977
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: I got nothing, but I gotta let me. Like Wise,

978
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: breathing air good. I don't know, I'm not sure how

979
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: to tell you, but there is some points of it.

980
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean. The other question always like to ask is

981
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: why do we care about animals? You know, why do

982
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: we truly care about the animal? I mean, why do

983
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: we enjoy? Why? Why is killing gratifying it? But by

984
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: the same time, why do we care about the animal? Well,

985
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: there are animals that we like to go and kill

986
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: and harvest, but the animals that we like to keep

987
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: around the house, like my homing pigeons or my bird dogs. Yeah,

988
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: I believe the animals makes better people. You know, if

989
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: you have a bird, dog, or pet, or cat or

990
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: bunny or horse, it's some kind of mental relief because

991
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you take care of them. Yeah. I love feeding our

992
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: pigs this time of year when when you the water

993
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: is cold, they cannot drink it, so you have to

994
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: pour feed over the bartley that I suak in overnight

995
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: and to they just all running there and stick their

996
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: noses and go that that slubbering and that that thing.

997
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: I just love watching animals to eat. Yeah. I love

998
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: watching sheep grazing and see what they pick, you know,

999
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: what kind of leave or so so I don't know why,

1000
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: but you know, so there are these animals that really

1001
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: feed our soul and some are feeding or stomachs. Yeah,

1002
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's that relationship that's way more meaningful than

1003
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: carrying an animal you've never seen, or carrying about an

1004
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: animal that you feel some connection to because you saw

1005
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: them on TV or some connection that you saw. I mean,

1006
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing every piece of that animal's life and

1007
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: you're interacting and it's it's birth and it's death at

1008
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: some level. Um, and when you're a hunter, you're at

1009
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: least along for a good bit of that ride. Yeah.

1010
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: And I think the way you guys do with Steve,

1011
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: where you promote eating and different recipe and cooking of

1012
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: the animals, I think that's the best ticket because I

1013
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: think we went away from from the hunting that you

1014
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: do it yourself and use all those skills to harvested

1015
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: process that cook it, eat it into We went into

1016
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: some kind of comfort. But something is raped nicely and

1017
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: has a barcode, it's a lot more excess acceptable. Yes,

1018
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh that's better. Well, how could that

1019
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: be better? If that's something that you do it to yourself,

1020
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: either raise it to yourself or you or you you know,

1021
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of more organically grown that you somehow have

1022
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: idea how this animal was raised. And I even think

1023
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: that the label of organic is a silly thing because

1024
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: now they're just telling you something different about you. You

1025
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: don't you still don't know, You still don't know. Yeah,

1026
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: that's right. The trust factor has to be there in

1027
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: other way. So I mean they they I think they've

1028
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: done wonderful marketing to lure us into into packaging. Yes,

1029
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: that is something package and nice. It's got to be

1030
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: better than we can do it our own. Yes, And

1031
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad someone is still there who like. Um, I

1032
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: like the messiness of it, you know, I enjoy and

1033
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: not being so clean, and I enjoy un Well, I'm

1034
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: still unwrapping a piece of meat that I cut up,

1035
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: but I still know the messiness that got there. And

1036
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm not so foolish as to think that it just

1037
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: showed up like that. Yeah, I know now, um, And

1038
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can get that idea right.

1039
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people can say, you know, how the

1040
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: meat gets your plates important? But you know, you have

1041
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: your kids and you and Lorca, you have the relationship

1042
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: to animals every day you're bad with the knowledge that

1043
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: you're going to kill him, and and that is not

1044
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: the science. You know, billions of people live like me. Yeah,

1045
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: you know who have animals around their houses and when

1046
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: it's their time to go, it's their time to go,

1047
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: and they kill it. They saved the blood, they put

1048
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: in the blood sausage, just the whole thing gets used

1049
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: because that's what we need, that we need, we need. No,

1050
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: that's what sustain us. It takes one, I think to

1051
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: sustain a matter. There is no other way. Life eats life,

1052
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: as they say, that's for sure. Do you feel Another

1053
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: thing we talked about all the time is um certain animals.

1054
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: I always say, like we take the gloves off like

1055
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: certain animals like to say the feral hawk, for example.

1056
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been to Texas and been a part

1057
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: of some of us. Yeah, it has a bad name

1058
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: for some reason. I don't know why. I would love

1059
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: to have ferreal hawks in Montana. I mean, I make

1060
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: sausages out of deer or elk, and I like to

1061
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: add a pork, so I have my own pork. But

1062
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. If I could shoot a pig here and

1063
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: just add fifty I would love to much fat could

1064
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: have if it had to live in Montana. You know,

1065
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago John Hoffner, friend of mine, took me.

1066
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: He used to work for Real Tree. He took me

1067
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: to Texas and deer hunt and and I was sitting

1068
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: in the blind. To put me in the blind by

1069
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: the feeder, and as soon as they sent me there,

1070
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. So I'm going to

1071
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: sit here. Um, I think after after five minutes I left.

1072
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: It was it was strange to me. I like to walk.

1073
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm at a sitting guy. I I just so, and

1074
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hurt their feelings. Paid by two

1075
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: money for the hunt. But prior to arriving to uh

1076
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: to our camp, we stopped at the barbecue place it

1077
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: calls Billy's Barbecue. And there was a black guy who

1078
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: was smiling. His white teeth were just shining. And I

1079
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: just instantly drew me to him and says his men,

1080
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: you said, godbuster. And and he asked me what I'm doing,

1081
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm from Czechoslovakia. I like to eat pork.

1082
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, so you're gonna be hunting hogs?

1083
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: I said, um, were hunting deers, what we have hogs too,

1084
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: So I asked to out here every hunting hogs, to

1085
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: as many as you want. So Billy the barbecue guy goes, well,

1086
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: if you kill the hawk tomorrow, since you're living in

1087
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: four days, and you bring it here, I'll smoke it

1088
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: for you, it would be the best thing you ever eat.

1089
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: So when I get to that square box and I'm

1090
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: looking at the feater and waiting for them, I'm thinking now,

1091
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: Billy said that those hawks takes good. So I started

1092
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: walking and pretty soon picks everywhere. So I shot I

1093
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: think two or three, and we drop it off to Billy's.

1094
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: And while I was hiking and hunting those hawks, I

1095
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: actually shot a deer's too, because he was running there.

1096
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: And so I get the deer and the hawks, and

1097
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: the meat was incredible, and I know the John said,

1098
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna do from now on.

1099
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna go they want were killing hawks dropping the

1100
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: billies so we have a food for the clients to

1101
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: the box. Yeah, So I don't see what is I

1102
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: would you know? Every animal should be usable. I mean

1103
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see the feral hawks. Now once they get

1104
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: maybe over three pounds, but they're still we can do

1105
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: something with it. It's still very usable. I don't agree

1106
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: that there are people say that they're inedible at some maturity. Yeah,

1107
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: you can do something with it. What the backs should be?

1108
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: Tenderlen is always there and you can do I mean sausage,

1109
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: there's grinded meat and they stack out. Yeah, so I

1110
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: think any kind of animals, you know that we that

1111
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: we hunting. We're sure if he asked Billy, he'd be like,

1112
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: just throw me a ham over here. I'll spoke that

1113
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: sucker for twelve hours. Don't even worry about how big

1114
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: the animal was. In fact, the bigger the better. I mean, yeah,

1115
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: we had a great time. I mean I always think

1116
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: about that. And yeah, what are your what are your

1117
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: favorite places around the world because you've traveled, I mean,

1118
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: my gosh, everywhere you can take a uh you know,

1119
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have any favorite. I used

1120
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: to really like Argentina, but you know, now that I

1121
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: brought the Argentina cuisine and culture kind of hear my

1122
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: house and I'm having here more so it's not that

1123
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: unique anymore. But I I just love sitting by the

1124
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: fire and talking to people and and I a part

1125
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: of it might be that you know, my family wasn't

1126
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: I cannot ask my dad certain things for advices, or

1127
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: we never put this aunt of my shoulder. I'm proud

1128
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: of your son. So I'm thinking I'm seeking that kind

1129
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: of relations with other people. And if you are plumber,

1130
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm asking you about plumbing, hey, so you don't use

1131
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 1: copper pipes anymore? You use BBCs now, or the PEX

1132
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: lines or the doctors. I'm asking, what the hell? Then?

1133
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: What did you do? Or the financial advisors? You know,

1134
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: what should I do? I stay behind it? Grand? How

1135
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: should they invest them? You know? So every person has

1136
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: a unique niche, and if they're older than you are,

1137
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: you should shut up and just listen, you know, ask

1138
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: the questions and hush because all these people live lives

1139
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: and they have something that you could benefit. So and

1140
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: those people are wherever we go, you know, so you

1141
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: just ask someone. And and so I like to say

1142
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: that I'm very rich man because I can just close

1143
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: my eyes and go and all the visits and all

1144
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: the conversations we out with all these people, it's you

1145
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: cannot buy it, No you can. And then I always

1146
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: have said and tried to try to emulate those times.

1147
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: You know, you try to sit in the backyard. I mean,

1148
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: here's different. In the backyards beautiful, but you know, just

1149
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: in the wilderness of somebody on a seven day elk

1150
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: hunt and four days in you killed an elk. You're

1151
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: sitting by the fire telling the story to the rest

1152
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: of camp and like, yeah, and people open us up.

1153
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, they do open up and tell you. And

1154
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: maybe they benefit too because they they spoke, they let

1155
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: it out and and maybe they're helping someone passing it

1156
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: on to you. Yeah, that's the one thing that I

1157
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: really like about social media, not that I'm heavy user,

1158
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: but I like so I like tractors, you know, I

1159
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: grew up blogging with them, and I had to have

1160
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: a tractor here and I finally was able to a

1161
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: couple of years ago save money and buy one. But

1162
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: if I have a problem, where do I go to

1163
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: the dealership? Well, I'm gonna drop thousands of dollars. Well

1164
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: why don't just go to the Facebook page? Cool? What

1165
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: a friends? I post the questions and ten minutes a

1166
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: hundred fighters and hundreds grandfathers telling you what to do. Now,

1167
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: that's the power of social media. Then you get to

1168
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: benefit from someone who already went through that. Yeah, you're

1169
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: just talking about different levels of human connection, you know,

1170
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: just different ways, different ways connect with people and and

1171
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: better yourself. I mean, And if you open yourself up

1172
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: to that, then you'll never lose I mean, my gosh,

1173
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: be open to that. And a lot of people, a

1174
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: lot of people go through their lives and don't talk

1175
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: to their neighbors and get online and hate on you

1176
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: people they don't even know. And boy, that's that's the

1177
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: wrong types of connection. Or you wouldn't see very much

1178
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: here in Montanna find that people are friendly. And I

1179
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: found a lot of friendly folks thus far, but too

1180
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: like you know, you go to a trade show or

1181
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: you go somewhere in the hunting industry, you and you

1182
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: know many many people as as I do. And it's

1183
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: if when you've been on a hunting adventure with someone

1184
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: like the hug is a little deeper, the handshakes a

1185
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: little harder, the look in the eyes, those inside jokes,

1186
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: and it was a target of the jokes, and you

1187
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: know you didn't get mad at them, You just get

1188
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: even with them and you carried it for I always

1189
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: find sadness in that because you know, I've been doing

1190
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: it for about ten years. But then you have this.

1191
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: You go on a trip with people and you have

1192
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: this connection. A lot of times they'll be like a

1193
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: text chain or phone calls. When you see him, you

1194
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: have these inside jokes. And then over years that stuff

1195
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: fades if you don't continue to go hunting with those people.

1196
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: Over years, that stuff fades away and you lose that

1197
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: like but you will think about him. Yes, I have

1198
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: to do it. I decided that I wanted to do

1199
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: one day to count how many people I think of

1200
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: And maybe mine is wired differently than yours or somebody's else,

1201
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: but I go, it's just crazy. Every single thing would

1202
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: remind me of someone. You know, these headphones we're wearing

1203
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: it for the microphone, thinking of the pilots and the bush,

1204
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: the last compilot. Yes, you know how we were flying

1205
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: and how he finds out that vat carry a spray

1206
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: inside and are built when we took off, how he yelled,

1207
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: you know how he and then you go from everything

1208
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: is so connected, you know, and I think there might

1209
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: be the richness of the life where you have so

1210
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: many stories and so many experiences. So counted yourself this week,

1211
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: see how many people you think of? That you that

1212
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: you met over the years, and you just some certain

1213
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: things remind you of them and you'll carry them forever.

1214
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: Influences in your life you don't even realize. Yeah, And

1215
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: with the photography, you know, I get to look at

1216
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: it because if I have to make a submission somewhere,

1217
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: let's say pilots again, the fishermen, you know, you go

1218
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: and you see these faces. And now with the digital

1219
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, when we don't do slides anymore, it's just

1220
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: so easy. And I find myself just side truck and

1221
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: I was looking for photo of squirrel and I am

1222
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: there at these people's faces and thinking of their stories

1223
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: and their food and their fire. And yeah, there's something

1224
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: about photographers like yourself. I've I've had a gentleman named

1225
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: Wyman Men'ser, Texas. He was before me and my generation,

1226
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: but he was a stream. Yeah, I've known him, been

1227
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: friends with him for some years now, and and he

1228
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: has a lot of the same sensibilities you do. Like

1229
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: it just people matter, and like relationships matter. Leos is

1230
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: another person that I had a revere and think he

1231
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: thinks the same way. It's just like a The way

1232
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: that you see the world allows you to capture those images.

1233
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's not so dissimilar the way that you

1234
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: three guys think about things. That's good to hear. Yeah,

1235
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: that's good. That's I'm not that weird. That's good to

1236
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: thank you for that. I feel better now, Yes, yeah,

1237
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: if if you can be like those two guys. But yeah,

1238
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: you guys all come from vastly different backgrounds and vastly

1239
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: different ways of seeing the world, but carry some like

1240
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: creative vision for for how to capture folks. Yeah, I

1241
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: mean if you think of the career, did somebody go

1242
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: pay you money? You can actually make good living. We're

1243
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: taking photos, yeah, I mean my kids and to take

1244
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: them in a trip between because they still to get it.

1245
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, they still don't get it to dad. It

1246
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: comes with a couple of suitcases and leaves and come

1247
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: home and get money. You know, it's just that, Yeah,

1248
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: their little brain doesn't see it. And you know the

1249
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: kids got um. That was the one nice thing the

1250
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: communists did when you were twelve, thirteen, fourteen, that would

1251
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: take us to different factories. They would take us to

1252
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: a clothing factory so the goals or asked get to

1253
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: see how things were made and by age fourteen, you

1254
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: have to pick your profession. I think of our college kids,

1255
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: how many of them would know what they want to

1256
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: do even after they get their degree. I think of

1257
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: our fourteen year olds, like, hey, you pay a career

1258
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: probably what would I have been circus plans as well?

1259
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: You have more opportunity here. So that's the thing, you know,

1260
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: we were kind of limited to our skills. If we

1261
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: are no good students, there's no way you're going to

1262
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: go to university, you know, but you become good carpenter

1263
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: or you were a lumberjack or I don't know drivers.

1264
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: So but to this day, I still love to see

1265
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: how things are made. And with this Cabella's best per

1266
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 1: trips that we do. Uh you know some of our

1267
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: experiences where we go to Italy for example, and we

1268
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: get to see how shotguns are made. Now you see

1269
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: these routers that we see the steel and comes to

1270
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: barrel and you see engravers who sits there for months

1271
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: in the engraving gun, the guy with the wood, how

1272
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: he polished the would have he measured it, how he

1273
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: send paper and finish or or trip to the bow factory,

1274
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: how you have you know, routs of aluminium in the

1275
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: one end in another end. It's a whole compound bo

1276
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: being assembled. So to see those things, um, I love that,

1277
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed to see how things are made.

1278
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: And there must be from you know, maybe even we

1279
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: were kids. And now it's another good you know, man,

1280
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: the appreciation you have for something that you know where

1281
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: it came from. My god, it seems like such a

1282
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: simple concept. Some of these things you seem like such

1283
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: a simple concept, but you get lost in them. Yeah,

1284
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: I get lost. I mean, we gotta you's got a

1285
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: brand new house, we gotta fill with furniture and paying things,

1286
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: and you're nesting in there, and you get that, got

1287
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: a new job, and I'm trying to do build things

1288
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: and like that. Sometimes things just get lost, just get lost,

1289
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, if I just I just spent

1290
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: the weekend building something, well that's the right. Any improvements

1291
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: in the house, or if you know, you get to

1292
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: build your house from scratch, you kind of appreciate. You know,

1293
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: you're building house, You're not building real estate where you're

1294
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: gonna just stay for three years, make ten dollars and

1295
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: get another one. How the folks have tendency in the

1296
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: US to move all the time. Yeah, I mean I

1297
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: admired that I would never gosh, where would I go?

1298
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean we just like I do you know, you

1299
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: guys are really nomads. Just the U Wold trucks would

1300
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: never made any money in Czechoslovakia because we were to me,

1301
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: I left. But I find now that's a big in

1302
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: my life. I mean it's a rabbit hole for sure,

1303
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: but I find like I'm super close to my family.

1304
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: And and you know when you said that three generations

1305
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: lived in one house and jeckels Facket, it made me

1306
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: think because over the last couple of months, while my

1307
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: house would be in bill here, my family was living

1308
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: with my parents, and so we were in a house

1309
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: with three generations of people and we don't I mean

1310
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: there you go. And the feeling of that, like just

1311
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: to have my son sit down at the table and

1312
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: play harmonica with my dad every night, that's pretty unique.

1313
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: And then and then we just we're like, all right,

1314
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: we'll see you. And then moved to my Well. We

1315
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: have means to connect here. You know, we have FaceTime,

1316
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: you have aeroplanes, you can drive, so it's much easier

1317
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: than you know, what we had if we didn't have

1318
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: all that, um, but I think it's good to be

1319
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: surrounded by family at the end of no matter what

1320
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: do you do, I think your family is the most

1321
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: important thing because why did you get your career? What

1322
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: did you save all the money? Why did you do

1323
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: this if you have no nobody to pass to, nobody

1324
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: to teach nobody to hunting or take fishing and see

1325
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: how they you know the seeds? Did you plan to

1326
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: how to grows and bloom? And I told my dad

1327
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: that I have some some people. You know, you need

1328
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: to meet some people and they just have tough time

1329
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: of life, like they just can't quite figure out what

1330
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: they want to do or what they're gonna be successful

1331
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: at or how they're gonna be happy. I've never had

1332
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: that because I had a family that was kind of

1333
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: like the north Star always just like you know, But

1334
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have some people they influence your life,

1335
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: either with your career decisions, because we all have that,

1336
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: and we need to appreciate those contacts, uh, and those

1337
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: influences like with the photography. For me, you know, I

1338
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: was a logger. I was a lumberjack. I was carrying

1339
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: chains around hand oil and gas in a nutter and

1340
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: going through the snow in the winter cutting trees, and

1341
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: I love that. But how do you go from there

1342
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: to the art? How all of a sudden you're gonna

1343
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: start learning about shapes and circles and shadows and art.

1344
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a degree, you know, I didn't go

1345
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: to college. But I meet Mike Barlow. I met Mike

1346
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: Barlow here, who was a photographer Inbozeman, and one little

1347
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: visit again smiles, you know, I smile, he smiles, and

1348
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: he smiles. It's such a connection, you know that somehow

1349
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: I figured out the English and asking what he does.

1350
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: I was house sitting house in Ambozement and he was

1351
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: looking for a house with his wife. And he told him,

1352
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: don't bait this house. It's hundred forty thousand down Tombozement.

1353
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: It's an old house, has bad foundation. That gosh, I

1354
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: think I cost him half a million dollar probably, but

1355
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, he told me we'll come. Mike travel his

1356
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: father sent him when he was eighteen or twenty around

1357
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: the world. And I think that's a good idea, you know,

1358
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: like purpose of higher education, my opinion is to teach tolerance. Well,

1359
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: if you take that money and send your kids oversea,

1360
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: and let him about life, tolerant and everything. So he

1361
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: sent him around and he liked to talk with people

1362
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: from different countries and ask him what he does. He said,

1363
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm a photographer and I just got back from Alaska.

1364
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: I'll show me some photos and I remember today, just

1365
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: like today's light table with for the slides, beautiful red

1366
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: color of tundra from the Nali Park. You see carriboo moves,

1367
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: doll sheep scenery, and I'm looking at it and just

1368
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: start clicking, like I took some pictures when I was

1369
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: in military. I took pictures when I was in the

1370
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: forestry school. Oh that's what I want to do. Mind

1371
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: looking at me, he goes, do you have cameras? Like? No,

1372
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: but is that important? But I want to so if

1373
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, But I was twenty two and who cares.

1374
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I just go with the flow. I just

1375
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, used to live here, you eat there, You

1376
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: just explore the world. And as long as you have

1377
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: good intentions and you have a strong willpower and you

1378
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: believe in yourself, things will come. And you know, we

1379
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: start traveling together and take photos and Mark move one

1380
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: step above me. Now he's a sculptor and this beautiful earth. Um,

1381
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: and you're I'm just taking photo clicking. I would love

1382
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: to paint maybe eventually you sit here. Yeah, but it's

1383
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: and I think art and appreciations for art, and that's

1384
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: what nature has. You know, you walk in the trees

1385
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: and started looking at the branches and leaves and beer

1386
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: there or grass and things that everything is aligned with

1387
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: the light. I mean just and in Montana, whatever you look, um,

1388
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: there's a photos here there working. Yeah. I think that

1389
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: places that don't have the dynamics that this does. Of

1390
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: the mountain ranges, you don't see light the way you Yeah,

1391
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: another places the way you see it. Here you still

1392
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: see I think it's more cleaner air. I'm thinking. Plus

1393
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: the visibility. I mean you can just see several myers.

1394
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: You see those mountains bridges, or you can see the

1395
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: bridges from sitting right here. You can see how far

1396
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: away are we from those mountains right now? I mean

1397
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: you get the perspective of depth and perception and when

1398
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: the light, I don't just think like at four thirty here,

1399
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: when the light starts bouncing off the bridges and just

1400
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: like that is not that perception, that depth of feeling

1401
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: having a mountain right there is just pretty unique. You

1402
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: could beautiful, beautiful not cities have you know different Yeah,

1403
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean there's attractions, you have cultures. Yeah, there's a

1404
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of people need to be in the bee hive

1405
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: right there where things are happening and be where the noises.

1406
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: Nice thing for us is that we know what do

1407
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: we want. That's the accomplishments already, and you're like the

1408
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: country and then we just go visit cities the nice

1409
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: Brandy book friends and that's what we need. More friends,

1410
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: and so be my friend. Bad. Yeah, I'm gonna be

1411
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: your friend. I mean i we're neighbors, um River neighbors.

1412
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: And my two year old would have a freaking paul

1413
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: like just playing, you know, feeding the pigs, and my

1414
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: dad would love to babysit him. That loves seeing her

1415
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: carrying kids around and just showing this future matterie in

1416
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: strint in her you know, just beautiful. Yeah, I mean,

1417
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm my kid. I mean he's he's too, so he

1418
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: has his troubles. He is a good he's a good

1419
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: little human man. He's a good soul. He were at

1420
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: a restaurant the other day and there's a little baby,

1421
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: she's maybe six months and she kept dropping Her mom

1422
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: kept handing her a toy, and she kept dropping it.

1423
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: Her mom would be on her phone and and wasn't looking.

1424
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: And my son is two years old. He would just

1425
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 1: walk over on his own, pick the toy up and

1426
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: give it to the little girl. She would go go

1427
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: to plane with it, and he'd walk back over to

1428
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: me and we'd be eating and he'd look over and

1429
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: she had dropped it again. He'd walk over, get it,

1430
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: give it back to her, and the mom blest the moms.

1431
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: She did never even notice that he was doing that.

1432
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: She didn't even notice what her kid was doing. So

1433
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: she was probably so busy that she didn't notice, and

1434
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: he didn't notice. You know, lots of parents think that, Well,

1435
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: I guess not what you give them, by the way

1436
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: you take him and how much time you spend a

1437
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: vid him. Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's a huge thing.

1438
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: And here, like we were talking about, you're talking about

1439
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: wanting to be around Montana. That's one of the reasons

1440
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: I moved here just so I could. You know, I

1441
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: love to hunt. I love to hunt fish, and there's

1442
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: just away kids are raised here that is, you know, there,

1443
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: if my kid ends up being a video gamer. I'll

1444
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: be surprised because he's gonna have a lot of opportunities

1445
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: not to do that, you know, and I certainly won't

1446
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: put it in front of him. But but if he

1447
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: ends up being an ice climber, I will not be shocked,

1448
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: you know, just because it's right here. You know, play

1449
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: is going to shape him and influence him. So yeah, yeah,

1450
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: we need also though, before I forget talk about homing pigeons,

1451
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: we need to. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to,

1452
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to stop this conversation, but homing pigeons

1453
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: are the coolest thing going, Like how many pigeons. It's

1454
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: my church, you know, I walk in there and I'm

1455
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: just there, but I'm back in my childhood. Yeah, and

1456
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm back in my book. So that was our attraction

1457
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: in our village. Better when hunting, fishing, or run around

1458
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: the mountains with their stick in the hands, playing soccer,

1459
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: or raise pigeons. And I think some of the parents

1460
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: recognize how important it is for kids to have some

1461
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: animals of their choice, you know, not the one you

1462
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: want to have them, but they and there was somehow

1463
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: as the kids we want to possess animals and be

1464
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: in charge. I mean, you may be seen little kids

1465
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: having dog in the leash and they are so proud

1466
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: because they are in charge. So the homing pigeons for

1467
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: us was, you know, we have to take care of them.

1468
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: You get to breed them, we get to put bands

1469
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: on them. But then you get to send them hundred

1470
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: miles away from your home and see if they come home.

1471
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: And if they come home, then you get to compete

1472
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: with other members. So I grew up with that, and

1473
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: when I moved to Montana, that was the last thing

1474
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: that I would think I would be doing, the last

1475
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: thing I thought i'd run into. It was like homing

1476
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: piges in Montana and we were building house here and

1477
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: my wife told me, well, three months from now, I

1478
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: would like to take you for lunch. And I said,

1479
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: oh sure, fine, honey him and that so we start

1480
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: building house. In three months came and she goes, remember

1481
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: when I told you that we're gonna have the lunch

1482
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: to get I said, honey, again, I have this construction loan.

1483
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: We are plumbers coming and we have to but you

1484
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: promised me. I said, okay. Angry, my wife took me

1485
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: to the rest of our in Belgrade and I walking in,

1486
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: I opened the door and I see this sixty seven

1487
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: years old guys sitting there, and I saw bands pigeons.

1488
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: Bands in the corners like, no, you guys don't raise pigeons,

1489
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: and because of course we do. We've been racing here

1490
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: for fifty years. There's a guy who was in World

1491
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: War Two and he was um in a charge of

1492
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: He was a pigeoneer. He was basically delivering messages with

1493
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: the pigeons, and he brought the hobby to Montana Established

1494
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: Club and I said, I couldn't believe it. So the

1495
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: guy goes, well, here's one band for you. Remember it's

1496
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: all about winning the long distance race from five miles.

1497
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: Rest of the races don't count. I was like, wow,

1498
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Uh seven to bank right away and

1499
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: get more lumber because I need to add something that

1500
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: I did in frame. So while I was building house,

1501
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: I was building pigeons. And I wake up, I think

1502
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: of pigeons. I go to bed, I think of pigeons.

1503
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: I try to breathe a perfect specimen, and I'm having

1504
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: so much fun. You know that the genes are self

1505
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: finicky and we really don't know anything. About it. Bye.

1506
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: By interacting with the pigeons, I think it makes me

1507
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: a better photographer because observation is the key. You know,

1508
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: you look at those animals are there in the roof,

1509
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: are they're feeling like Elvis's and their hunch down and

1510
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: then they're not doing well. So you know, you use

1511
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: that approachment to the wildlife photography and you get to

1512
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,560
Speaker 1: read deer or elk better and where they're gonna go

1513
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: or you know, where you can intercept them for the

1514
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: better photos. So those those pigeons are awesome. And our

1515
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: little club here Montana, you know, were raised our longest

1516
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: races from Reno in Carson City, Nevada. So you're so,

1517
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: how many people in the club. So we have about

1518
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: eight people in the club and we meet here Friday

1519
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: afternoon during the May June month, and we have this

1520
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: craze if we put our pigeons together. The pigeons have

1521
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: a little electronic chipperings, so we scan them before they

1522
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: go to race. And how many pigeons always just fly

1523
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: back home. So whatever. In the first three days they

1524
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: were born, they were hatched. You know, they come outside,

1525
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: they kind of gps the coordinates in their heads and

1526
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: it's like, this is it okay right here? And if

1527
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about it? Why did that? Did

1528
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 1: they they tried to study? Know, it's a combinations of smell,

1529
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: magnet hearing. I don't know what else they use because

1530
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: they try to Yeah, the Cordinal University try to remove

1531
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: They put like a contact lenses and the pigeons so

1532
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: they cannot see anything. They still find their way home,

1533
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: you know. So there is just so much mystery. But

1534
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: the coolest thing is that it's a it's for me

1535
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: to be outside and send pigeons away five hundred miles

1536
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: and he's been released six in the morning, let's say,

1537
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: in a Saturday, and I'm thinking about it. Man, he

1538
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: flew four hours, he flew eight hours, he flew twelve hours.

1539
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: So you're just tracking them as you know, you don't track,

1540
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: you just take them. There's no way to track them yet.

1541
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: There is a tracking now where you can download the

1542
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: data once they come home and see where they went,

1543
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: which was kind of new this year that I've done.

1544
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna interesting, but no life tracking yet. So you

1545
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: breathe these birds who can cover six d fifty miles

1546
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: in the one day, you know, twelve hours. It's just amazing,

1547
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, one pound and how do they know how

1548
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: do you know where they're going to fly? But they

1549
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 1: always fly back home. So whatever you release, when we

1550
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: take them to sal Lake City or right helpfalls or buildings,

1551
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: they just fly back home. And that's what they were used. Um,

1552
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 1: you know true jinks con he did the messages. Roygious

1553
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: Services started with the pigeons, you know, that's how they

1554
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: deliver World War two, World War One, they were using

1555
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: pigeons for the ring messages. Nowadays they still use them.

1556
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: The Palestinees use them and you know to communicate and

1557
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 1: god drug deal or use them for delivering drugs. You know,

1558
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: they're sitting in the park, they put them in the paperback.

1559
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: If the good guy come, they just grab the drugs,

1560
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: sell it. If the cups coming, they just released the

1561
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: pigeons with all the drugs and pig just go back home,

1562
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, so they didn't lose anything. So there are

1563
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: so many uses of the animals. But the entire club

1564
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: drives to a place just the one person. One person

1565
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: takes all the crates and he would just release them

1566
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: next day in the morning. So you release him and

1567
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: then he comes back home, and he comes back home,

1568
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 1: and pigeons hopefully go to my place, two people in buildings,

1569
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: people in Belgrade, people in three forks, and whenever they

1570
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: got back. And they have electronic clocking now so you

1571
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: can actually see when the pigeons come. It goes to

1572
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: the smartphone and you can actually see who get pigeons

1573
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: and what were the speeds. So since everybody has a

1574
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,560
Speaker 1: different distance, we can they measure that the instances and

1575
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 1: then we calculate the r per minute of the speed

1576
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: since they over release at the same time. Wow, but

1577
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: they call it porman race horses, so exactly like horses

1578
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: with the breeding supplements, like a pretty rich and awesome

1579
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: thing to be doing. Yeah, well with the pigeons, you know,

1580
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,959
Speaker 1: you don't need that much money. You know, horses very expensive.

1581
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: The birds you can and you can get grain locally

1582
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: here and you can build a little little loft and

1583
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: I when they're flying around your house like that you

1584
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: said they're exercising, they're just exercising. They just love to fly.

1585
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 1: And it's fun to see when the hawk comes or

1586
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: or falcon. It's awesome to watch falcon. How we scoops

1587
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: and try to pick one and usually he doesn't get

1588
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: these birds are in the shape, you know, so they

1589
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: have to be either something wrong. We don't when he

1590
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: really surprised him, it's a something. You probably have a

1591
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: hobby that I got, not I'd like to have this hobby.

1592
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: They look here they come and they're beautiful too. Yeah,

1593
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: but it is just amazing that little bird can cover

1594
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: six miles in the day. And then you said, there's

1595
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: eight or nine folks in the club, and where they

1596
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: all from different places around different places, and we would

1597
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: have preachers, we would have police chief, police chief of

1598
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: Manhattan was flying birds, our dealer, carpenters. You know. It's

1599
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: just like it's a cool history and it's a great history.

1600
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: And I get to stay I with my I get

1601
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 1: to stay in touch you with my friends in Europe

1602
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: where I grew up. I get to call them and say, hey,

1603
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: what's the latest or what's going on? The latest in

1604
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: the pigeon era? Yeah, you know who do you? And

1605
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: actually these birds are from where I grew up because

1606
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: the Montana birds they were pretty good, but the birds

1607
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: where I grew up were better. And the reason I

1608
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: think was because the poor the country, the better the animals.

1609
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: The selection is toffer. You know, those people they don't

1610
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 1: have extra money too to give to their kids, not

1611
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: to take care of their pigeons, you know, so they

1612
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: give them good out in good food, but any kind

1613
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: of sickness is out. So there's selection. We get the

1614
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: pampered pigeons everywhere. So and and you know in the

1615
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: US we love to spoil our animals. I mean, dogs

1616
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: are slipping in their beds, you know, horses getting more

1617
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: supplements and blankets than their kids. Do you know it is?

1618
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, we cannot even need horses. I mean there's

1619
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: a guy, there's a guy at work that I put

1620
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: a jacket on his dog the other day. What are

1621
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: you doing there? He said, Well, he gets cold. I'm like,

1622
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: he's a dog. He can adapt his dog. You understand,

1623
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: that used to be a wolf and we just made

1624
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: it look this way. Yeah, it's interesting. But yeah, I know,

1625
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: just to see just to be sitting here and seeing

1626
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: this pigeons flying around your house is awesome. So I'm

1627
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: coming up. I'm gonna bring my kid and we're gonna

1628
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna see the birds, see the birds. We might

1629
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: be in the club for long, you never know. I

1630
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what kind of hazing there

1631
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: is at the Pigeon Club, but I'm trying to get

1632
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: there isn't you know. They just get the birds and

1633
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: get aloft and there's lots to learn. It's a steep

1634
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: learning curve, but it's not the difficult plus, but you

1635
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: need to stay away once again. The marketing there, you know,

1636
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: they tell you pigeon needs this, and they need return

1637
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: combo for relaxing muscles, and he needs better carps before

1638
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: the race, and et cetera, et cetera, and more snake

1639
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: oil stuff than anything. You know. It's just like I mean, performs.

1640
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't have a TV, but when

1641
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm in the trips, like the latest trip in the Kansas,

1642
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: we look at the TV. There's just the fear and

1643
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: wongering and pill selling, you know, just lots of pills.

1644
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is that those pills you cannot

1645
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: go and buiom you can tell your doctor to get

1646
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: prescribe you those pills. So I'm supposed to watch the

1647
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: commercial educate my doctors. I can get those pills. They look,

1648
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I saw this on TV. It's better be good? Yeah?

1649
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: What what what will all those pill commercials say tell

1650
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: your doctor if this is right for you, well let

1651
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: him know. But like, wait a minute, I thought it

1652
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: was the other way around. But and at one time

1653
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: there was six or eight different commercials in the evening.

1654
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: So when you see when you have the kids there

1655
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: are indoors and they're just watching TV. You know, I'm

1656
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: not gonna take very long to just make them think

1657
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: that you cannot exist without pills. Yes, you know, they're

1658
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna not think that the food is your medicine. You know,

1659
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: this wild deer, wild elk has all the mineral nutritions

1660
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: that you will need as long as you exercise and

1661
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: you live happy life. You really don't eat all these supplements. Yeah,

1662
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean coming in this house, sitting here in this

1663
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: house with you and being here for the assada, you

1664
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: just think like there's some health of mind and spirit

1665
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: here like there just it is, and some places you

1666
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: go there just isn't. Um And I would positive the

1667
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: connection you guys have to but it's so simple, you know,

1668
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: it is nothing that we created or invented. It's just

1669
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: like how common folks live. But that is I mean

1670
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: really though it's not it isn't, but it's not what

1671
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: society is telling folks to do nowadays. It's not if

1672
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: you follow the herd, you don't end up here. You know,

1673
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: if you follow the trends, you don't end up here.

1674
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: You have to diverge at some point to end up here.

1675
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I think that's just keep spreading message over that, you know,

1676
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: harvesting animal and and eating them and different recipes, and

1677
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: and the enjoyment and benefit you get from being outside

1678
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 1: being a hunter, being a fisherman, and you're never you

1679
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: never mastered. It is my favorite part about it. You're

1680
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: always there's always something new. I mean, you're building this

1681
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: new business with all these people that were hiring and

1682
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: coming in, and then every day I feel like a bum.

1683
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I get around these people. I'm like, I thought I

1684
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: read a lot. I thought I knew a lot about hunting.

1685
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: I thought I knew a lot about cooking up wild game,

1686
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: and then we bring these people in. I'm like, WHOA,

1687
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, I mean I'm I thought I had

1688
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: this licked. But there's always there's many many people, especially

1689
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: in this community of people. You walk downtown Boseman, You're

1690
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: like looking at a guy like, I know that guy hunts,

1691
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I know he does he probably has more than I do. Yeah,

1692
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I need to go talk to him. And so we

1693
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: we kind of, uh, you know, we talked about it.

1694
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: But if you have a work that's satisfying you, there's

1695
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: fulfilling and you know, we spreading good message and I

1696
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: see what you guys. I mean, it had to be satisfying. Um. Yeah,

1697
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: there's no no better than that. I mean I keep

1698
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: thinking of me and somebody asking what do you do?

1699
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I collect smiles. Yeah, yeah,

1700
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I I truly believe like once you get to that point,

1701
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: you're if you can, like you have clearly done it.

1702
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: If you can just minimize the distraction from your passion,

1703
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Like if you get into place where somebody lets you

1704
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: do that for a living, if you can just minimize

1705
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 1: a distraction and focus on the thing that you've captured,

1706
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: then then you're happy, you know, and it just gets distractions.

1707
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: If somebody's causing distraction and taking you away from the thing,

1708
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you gotta get him out of there. And you got

1709
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: to pursue it because we're, you know, pretty lucky folks

1710
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: to do what we do, you know, So if somebody's

1711
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: in there messing that up, they gotta go at any level.

1712
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: So well, thanks for let me have some brandy. The

1713
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: fire is now out, but there's always um you know,

1714
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: can the link where you're starting new fire. I've been

1715
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 1: here twice and we've had a fire and brandy both times.

1716
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully that's it will be just repeating all the time.

1717
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Trend take that every time we eat by the fire

1718
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and drink I think, uh, look at the in the afternoons,

1719
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: and you know, we go out and ski. I love

1720
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: skiing around here, cross countries. Give it to the dogs. Um,

1721
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: just I guess little sercize outdoors and then go back

1722
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: inside in the winter. But then we have you know,

1723
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: obviously we would have three September and three October, but

1724
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: that could be draining because September comes, gosh with all

1725
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: the hunting that we do and go on the trips.

1726
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Uh last what promised? People are got a lot of

1727
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: family members will come visit you and don't worry, we'll

1728
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: come and then the summertimell come on. Like listen, don't

1729
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: come then, because I don't want to have to parade

1730
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: you around and share the tourist spots. I want to

1731
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: be doing what I'm wanna do. Come in the winter. Yeah,

1732
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: we'll sit around and watch it snow. Yeah, you'll have fun.

1733
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: I think they'll be um rewording for you and for

1734
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: your kids growing up here and be in Montana. Yeah,

1735
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: Montana and you're Montana. Well I have Instagram Doon Montana, Smittana.

1736
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: My kids have middle name Montana, both of them all

1737
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: they do both them. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know my

1738
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: kids are. But um yeah, where can people see all

1739
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: your photography if they want to check it out? Well,

1740
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: just to do sewn smittana dot com. Know on a website. Um,

1741
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: you guys sell prints or anything there, I'm gonna have

1742
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: to you know, not really, there are maybe just few,

1743
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: probably five tan prints a year. I really don't target

1744
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: that because the princes are so personal, you know, I

1745
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: really don't know what people people like. Um, and I like,

1746
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 1: look at my princes here. They all have horses or cattles,

1747
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I can tell you. I am agricultural guy.

1748
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: Um beautiful, but I like big scenery with little people.

1749
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I know one of the editor wants told

1750
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: me that I can just see your photos when it's

1751
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: a huge scenery and little fisherman or a little hunter,

1752
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: that's gotta be your photo. And I kind of like

1753
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: that and said, well, I asked him, well, why do

1754
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: you like that? Because so besides seeing beautiful scenery, I

1755
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: think what it does people to imagine themselves that they

1756
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: are damn you know. They want to go and experience

1757
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: that little stinky guy right there in the middle and

1758
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: and be. But it's also he shows you how small

1759
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, that puts you in perspective how big

1760
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: those plays as are. So there's some awesome stuff here

1761
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah? I mean I would love to do

1762
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: a book one day on hunting guides. Yeah, you know,

1763
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: just just the best stories you ever like, who has

1764
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the best stories hunting guides? Oh? My goodness, they are

1765
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, they are making lots of hunters successful. Yeah, now,

1766
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: if you think of it, we are lucky here. We

1767
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: have national force, so I can just go and use

1768
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: my skills to get an elk coret deer. But most

1769
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 1: people hunt with guides, and they're only as good as

1770
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: their guides. And those guides, you know, it's their skill

1771
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: too help you harvest the animal. And sadly, I mean

1772
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't see too many guides um in the magazines.

1773
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't see any guides book ever. I mean I

1774
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: don't maybe you've seen it. And some of the guides

1775
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: in some countries they're not even invited to sit with

1776
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: you at the table, you know, so we still have

1777
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: some pr to do. That's I mean, you see that

1778
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a guy's table and a client. It's like,

1779
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: i'd like to you know, the reason I'm here is

1780
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: for you to guide me. Man. I want to learn

1781
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: from you. Yeah, I wanted to. Like, the reason I

1782
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: need you is because I don't know this country in

1783
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: this in this way, and i'd like to the comarad

1784
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: or you have and just just hiss and you look

1785
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: at it. What the guides usually wear, I mean some

1786
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: of them don't even have to brand new boots are

1787
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: the best clothes. But they can get it done. Yeah,

1788
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: and they are Yeah, and you can't and you can't

1789
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: get it done without a lot of time. Thanks you

1790
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 1: to Sean. I really appreciate appreciate it. So we'll see

1791
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: you around. Well, keep the brandy flowing. That's it. That's

1792
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: all episode number forty in the books. Thank you to

1793
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: du Sean S. Meantana. Really appreciate you for having me

1794
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: in your home, for sharing your brandy, for sharing your

1795
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: mentee and allowing us to talk about your life. It

1796
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: was enlightening and I very much appreciate it. It was

1797
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: awesome story. Episode number forty is gonna be a good

1798
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: one if you liked episode thirty nine. We got Randy

1799
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: Newberg coming in the house. He's gonna talk about hunting

1800
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: ethics with us answer some of your questions. So if

1801
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: you have questions and you're listening to this now, send

1802
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: them in really quick because you've got a couple of

1803
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: days before Randy comes in to sit with us and

1804
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 1: talk hunting as what else, what else? What else? What else? Hey, man,

1805
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 1: there's always a lot of stuff happening at the meeting

1806
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: and incorporated. Um we got you go to the meat

1807
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: eater store. Man, You've got all kinds of stuff there

1808
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: right now. It's almost Christmas. And if you go there,

1809
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: you might find a shirt with a gnome. It's an

1810
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: illustration of a gnome packing out the unicorn from the

1811
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: mind of one Stephen Ranella. You're gonna want to give

1812
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: this to every boy and girl and man and woman

1813
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: in your life because it's badass. There's also stuff for

1814
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective there. Click over there you might find

1815
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: the yetti tumbler with our logo on it that you

1816
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: can purchase. It would be awesome if you did. And

1817
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: when you're done with that, and I know you've got

1818
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot more time and money, UM, go up to

1819
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: the newsletter subscribe button. You click that and you'll be good.

1820
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: You put your little put your little email in there,

1821
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: and then updates from our website come every Wednesday into

1822
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: your inbox. It's unbelievable, I know. And then if when

1823
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: you're done with that, if you still got extra time,

1824
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: then you go and you go on Amazon or wherever

1825
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: you buy a book, and you and you buy or

1826
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: order the Mediator Fishing Game Cookbook. You do that, you

1827
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: need to do that. It's out of stock right now,

1828
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: but it will come eventually. It'll come like in January,

1829
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: and it'll be a great surprise whenever it does show up.

1830
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: So that's really it. If you do all those things,

1831
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 1: will love you. I love you forever, and we'll keep

1832
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: pumping out these podcasts free o charge for you. So

1833
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: until next time, thanks for joining us. Thank you, Dudu,

1834
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Sean Spantana, thank you to you all for listening. Bye.

1835
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: M H.