1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Did a West Virginia woman plummet to her death. Her 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: name is Julie Wheeler. She goes hiking or looking at 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: scenery with her husband and her teen son, apparently looking 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: for a missing earring, falls to her death, but nobody 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: can find the body. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I 6 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: mean Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 7 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: being with us. What happened to Julie Wheeler? First of all, 8 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. At Fought fifty nine, Paris, Dunford, 9 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: multiple search and rescue teams joined together to look for 10 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: the missing woman after a sixty foot drop. These men 11 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: are repelling down the steep cliff searching for a woman. 12 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: He had a call coming yesterday evening that a woman 13 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: had fallen off of the main overlook in the Grand 14 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: View areas of park. The call came into dispatch around 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: eight thirty Sunday night. Rescue teams joined together with the 16 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: National Park Service at the Grand View Overlook to search 17 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: for the missing woman between multiple fire departments, in law 18 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: enforcement agencies. Definitely inter agency. The National Park Service here 19 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: at the New River Gorge has has lots of resources, 20 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: but we also as far as staff and yoes, but 21 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: we also depend a lot on our partner agencies. Park 22 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: officials say that the local forty three year old woman 23 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: was with her husband and son when she fell off 24 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: the overlook. Now, if it had just been the husband, 25 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: I would think, oh, wait, push her, But she's there 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: with her husband and son out. You know, Jackie was 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: very curious about why I wanted to take the children 28 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: across the country in an RV. Didn't sound really fun 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: to her to be cooking and parking lots doing for 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: a Dutch oven, cooking that we learned with a Scouts, 31 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: sleeping in tents out in the badlands. That kind of 32 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: thing didn't sound fun to HERMS five star luxury resort. 33 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: You may wonder, why would a woman even want to 34 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: climb up and down the sheer face of New River Gorge. 35 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: It's a cliff, but you know what, to each her own. 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: I like RV. I like camping out. I like building 37 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: a fire and cooking over the fire and pitching a 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: tent looking up at the stars. That's just me, Jackie. 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: You stick to the ritz, Okay, So don't even start 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: asking why Julie Wheeler wanted to climb a sheer face 41 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: of New River Gorge, Eric grand View State Park straight 42 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: out to our all Star panel. Jim Ellie, attorney with 43 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Butler Snow. He's a legal counsel for multiple jurisdictions, governmental entities. 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta. 45 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiker thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of 46 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: those as homicide detective all the Seattle's Forgotten serial killer 47 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: Gary Jean Grant. You can find him at Cloyd Steiger 48 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: dot com. But right now to Crime online dot com. 49 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Levi, Paige Levi, this woman is a lot 50 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: of people may judge her if she had been out 51 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: all on her own, but that's not the case. She's 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: out with her husband and her son. Tell me about 53 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: this area, New River Gorge, Grandview State Park, Nancy. This 54 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: is in Beaver West, Virginia and Grandview State Park. It's 55 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: absolutely stunning if you pull it up on Google. It 56 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: has beautiful mountain views. There's a river that runs through there, 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: and there these overlooks that you can just get these 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: amazing views of at Grandview State Park. And Julie Weaver, 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: her husband Rodney Wheeler, and seventeen year old son were 60 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: hiking in this area and she missed an earring. She 61 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: was looking for it, and her husband said she fell 62 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: and they couldn't find her. She fell off one of 63 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: the overlooks. Okay, so original reports that she was scaling 64 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: the side of a cliff and lost her footing and fail, 65 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: that's not correct. She was looking for a lost earring. 66 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: As he said that she was missing her earring, She 67 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: was looking for it and fell off one of the 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: overlooks at Grandview State Park. And you know, to Cloyd 69 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Steiger again thirty six years Seattle, PD twenty two of 70 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: out on Homicide, the first thing you want to do 71 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: when a woman goes missing is you want to find 72 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: out where the husband is, the boyfriend, the ex, the lover, 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: any romantic and just a spurned boyfriend from five years 74 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: ago that keeps texting her and emailing her. That's where 75 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: you look first, right Kloyd, Yeah, that's right. But again, 76 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: as she said, in this case, closely her was with her. 77 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, I want to interview the sun see what 78 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: he knows. But that doesn't seem to be the key 79 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: that changes everything, that changes the whole dynamic. When you've 80 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: got the team's son there he's not got to stand 81 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: by and watch dad murder mom and not say anything. 82 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: But I do find this very curiously. By page she 83 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: falls off the cliff, but they can't find her body. 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: It's the New River Gorge, so she's looking down at 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: a river. She wouldn't have just fallen straight down and 86 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: hit the ground and her body lie there. There's a river. 87 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: That's the whole point. You're looking down and a river. 88 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: Her body obviously would have been taken away by the river. 89 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: So was that the problem? That is the problem, Nancy. 90 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: And there were searching rescue missions, there were helicopters that 91 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: were deployed. People were really searching for her, thinking that 92 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: she may have fell into this river. That's right, guys, 93 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: take a listen again to our friend Paris Dunford at 94 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. The Bay County Vertical Rescue Team first 95 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: tried repelling on the mountain and continue to do that 96 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: for the rest of the day. West Virginia citate police 97 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: who's a helicopter and a drone to get a better view. 98 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: Raley County Sheriff's Department brought in a canine that detected 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: a positive scent of the woman on the overlook fence. 100 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: You take one step at a time. We'll have another 101 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: briefing once this operational periods over to decide on a 102 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: plan for We'll reconvene tomorrow and the rescue crew will 103 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: continue to exhaust all of their resources looking for the 104 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: pink shart you may have been wearing when she fell. 105 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: A search will be going on till they find, you know, 106 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: find a person. So the incident is still under investigation. 107 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: The woman's name has not yet burned release. The ground 108 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: search here has been suspended, but the National Guard is 109 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: still taking a helicopter that you might be able to hear, 110 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: to search the end of the cliff Man. That costs 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of money, time and effort to find this 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: missing woman. Julie Wheeler. She's out hiking with husband and 113 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: teen son. She loses an earring, goes over the side 114 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: of New Gorge Overlook. They're at Grand View State Road. 115 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: You know, I never put a price a price tag 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: on a search, Chloyd Seiger, because if it's my child, 117 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: or my husband or my mom, I want every resource possible. 118 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: That's why I pay taxes. So they can get out 119 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: there with their helicopters and their drones and their dogs. 120 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: That's what they're paid to do. Everybody always makes a 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: big deal about the price tag. That's why they're sitting 122 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: there to come out at moments just like this. So 123 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: suggesting that somehow she fell over because she's looking for 124 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: an earring and then all these resources were used. I 125 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: disagree with that. Yeah, that's right. When these things happen, 126 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: you have to pull out all the stops and you 127 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: can't worry about money or how much things cost, because 128 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: how much as a person's life worth, right, you have 129 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: to you have to do that. It's very important to 130 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: their family. And suppose she's injured and not dead, and 131 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: because you didn't, you can't I know that happened. Crime 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the 133 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: disappearance of a mom. Her name is Julie Wheeler. Take 134 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: a listen again to our friends at Fox fifty nine, Paris. 135 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Done for this cut. Three Multiple search and rescue teams 136 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: joined together to look for the missing woman. After multiple techniques, 137 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: they were still not able to locate her. Take a 138 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: look a sixty foot drop. These men are repelling down 139 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the steep cliff searching for a woman. He had a 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: call coming yesterday evening that a woman had fallen off 141 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: of the main overlook in the Grand New areas of park. 142 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: The call came into dispatch around eight thirty Sunday. Night 143 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: rescue teams joined together with the National Park Service at 144 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: the Grand View Overlook to search for the missing woman 145 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: between multiple fire departments, in law enforcement agencies. Definitely inter agency. 146 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: The National Park Service here at the New River Gorge 147 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: has has lots of resources, but we also U as 148 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: far as staff and goes, but we also depend a 149 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: lot on our on our partner agencies. Park officials said 150 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: a local forty three year old woman was with her 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: husband and son when she fell off the overlay. And 152 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: after that exhaustive search, still no body. I want you 153 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: to take a listen now to WOAYTV news reporter Anna Saunders. Yeah, 154 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the call came in just before dark last night when 155 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: we arrived on scene, and uh, yeah, we had a 156 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: witness that that said that someone went over the edge, 157 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: and we did an initial sweep till almost midnight last night, 158 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: and uh we weren't able to have a get a 159 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: fined last night, so we came back in the morning 160 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and going on a second operational period today. So the 161 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: National Park Service, joined by the Beaver Volunteer Fire Department. 162 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: West Virginia State Police, the Raley County Sheriff's Department, Genecare Ambulance, 163 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: and the Fayette County Vertical Rescue Team were all on 164 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: scene for day two as teams repelled down both sides 165 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: of the overlook, everyone on hand to search for a 166 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: local woman who reportedly fell off the clip. After all that, 167 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: still no body. So explain to me straight out to 168 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: Levi Page Crime Online got common investigative reporter Levi tell 169 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: me about the search for her. The search for Jeelie Wheeler, 170 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: So Nancy. They got dive teams to search the river, 171 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: They got people that were repelling off the mountain looking 172 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: for her. They had helicopters dispatched at night, and they 173 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: searched for her for days. They were looking in this 174 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: mountainous region for her body, dive teams repelling. Still no body. 175 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: But what about bloodhounds. Listen to Woay TV. All we 176 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: really know is that she's forty three years old and 177 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: she was here with her son and her husband. So 178 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: we know that she was wearing a peak shirt. That's 179 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: just about all the details that we have at this 180 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: point in a time. Overnight a thermal helicopter search did 181 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: not turn up any results, so on Monday in daylight, 182 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the repell team descended about fifty feet to the first 183 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: cliff after the overlook drop, and once that search was 184 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: completed with no results, the Raleigh County Sheriff's Apartment sent 185 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: in the bloodhouding team. They were able to find the 186 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: woman sent at the overlook using her items, but from 187 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: there it was time for another repel, this time Cruse 188 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: doing a grid search from top to bottom, fourteen hundred 189 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: feet from the park's tallest peak all the way down 190 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: to the river. You know when you blink, bring in 191 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: bloodhounds straight out to you. Cloyd Steiger, homicide detective. A 192 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand how bloodhounds were tracking dog 193 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: sent dogs. You can be a tracker dog, you can 194 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: be cadaver dog. You can be a fire dog. My 195 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: favorite fire dog ever was named Blaze and helped me 196 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: in many arts and investigations. Trained to smell accelerants even underwater, 197 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: A bomb dog again, a drug dog. They're trained specifically 198 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: to find a certain thing. Lloyd Steiger, I remember you 199 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: know how many times I use dogs in court as witnesses, 200 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: and I've said a million times my best witness I 201 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: ever put on the stand was a dog, and I 202 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: was I'm happy to report who's very hard to cross examine. 203 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: But a dog has thousands like we have two nostrils, 204 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: a dog on their little nose it's always moist, has 205 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: thousands of I'm not even sure what you would call 206 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: them membranes, to smell like a thousand and noses. That's 207 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: why they can do things we can't even imagine explain 208 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: how it works. Chloyd, Well, that's exactly right. You know, 209 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: different types of dogs are better for different types of smells, 210 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: but bloodhounds are the best because they can tract things 211 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,479 Speaker 1: days after it's happened, because they're the most sensitive noses 212 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: and can follow a scent long after other types of 213 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: dogs can. So that's why bloodhounds are used in search 214 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: as well after the event, as opposed to German shepherds, 215 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: which are great for a short time after the event. 216 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: But bloodhouns are the king. Well why are you saying 217 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: that about German shepherds. Well, because they don't the scent. 218 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: They can't detect a scent after a while it dissipates, 219 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: but bloodhounds are so much more sensitive in the nose 220 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: like a police dog. We'll be able to search maybe 221 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: forty five minutes after an event. The thing on the 222 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: surface grass is better than concrete, but bloodhounds can search 223 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: days after the event and still be active. Dogs can 224 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: determine a track sent by identifying a combination of smells 225 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: based on the humans natural scent, as well as a 226 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: combination of environmental odors. For instance, does she wear a 227 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: baby powder, does she wear secret deodorant? Does she have 228 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: hair spray or a makeup or a Veno lotion? I 229 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: mean it could be a number of things. So the 230 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: dog is picking up not just the iman. I mean 231 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: it said that hard to understand. I mean, I'll look 232 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: over at Jackie Howard and I identify her by her height, 233 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: by the color of her eyes, by her short blonde hair, 234 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: by stomping around when things don't go right. I can 235 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: even hear her steps coming. So long story short, I'm 236 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: just a person with people senses, much less a highly 237 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: trained tracker dog. And after all, this still nothing. And 238 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: then wait for it. Take a listen to this right 239 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: now to our newsroom, and it involves the investigation in 240 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: the search and rescue towards that woman at the grand 241 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: view overlooked that is, and we go right back to 242 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: Paris Dumford Live with an update, Paris, what do you 243 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: have for us? Lass And two minutes ago, right after 244 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: we just went live at the beginning of the show, 245 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: we heard from Sergeant Wood from the State Police that 246 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: Julie Willer was found alive in Beaver. That's all we 247 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: have right now. We'll bring you more details at fifty 248 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: nine News at six if they are available. We wanted 249 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: to make sure we optated you as soon as possible, 250 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: so let's quite jump quickly to cut seven. Take a 251 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: listen to WOAYTV news reporter Anna Saunders and the giant 252 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: multi agency forty hours search for Julie. Once the mountain 253 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: had been thoroughly searched by a repel team, helicopters, drones, 254 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: and other emergency crews, then say police conducted a walkthrough 255 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: of the house. At that point they didn't find anything. 256 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: When they came back with the search warrant, Julie was 257 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: in the closet of her Beaver home. The criminal complaint 258 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: says the rescue efforts far exceeded a thousand dollars, so 259 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: the court will request restitution pay from the couple, but 260 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Keller says she's not holding her breath. It's a matter 261 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: of fact, when you have people that are either going 262 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: to prison or commit frauds for monetary game, it is 263 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: very rare that the taxpayer ever gets their money back. 264 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: Wheeler was scheduled to appear in court for sensing on 265 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: June seventeenth for separate federal healthcare fraud charges. In's facing 266 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: up to ten years in prison already, which is what 267 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: appears to be the motive for wanting to come up 268 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: with this scheme after the major rescue effort put forward. 269 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: Keller calls this case disturbing. People's lives were put in 270 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: danger and an untold amount of taxpayer money was spent 271 00:16:47,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: on what turned out to be a fraud crime. Stories 272 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Guys, we were talking about the so 273 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: calm disappearance of Julie Wheeler, a young mom and wife 274 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: who was out hiking apparently with her husband and her 275 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: teen son when she was looking for an earring and 276 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: fell over the cliff of New River Gorge. They're at 277 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: Grand View State Park in West Virginia, but then suddenly 278 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: cops find her hiding in the closet in her own home. 279 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: Levi Page Crime Online got Com investigative reporter. I blame 280 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: you totally because you didn't tell me at the beginning 281 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: she could avoid sentencing for fraud on another matter. So 282 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, Jim Elliott, the cars are stacked against us 283 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: knowing the truth. Did a husband fake his wife's death 284 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: pretending she falls over a cliff so she avoid jail 285 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: time for a fraud? Wow? In jail time, I'm a significant, 286 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: significant fine, But you know, restitution I believe almost perhaps 287 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: exceeding four hundred thousand dollars future was not. So where 288 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: are you getting the four hundred thousand dollars figure from um? So? 289 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: What she pled guilty to was a bad medical faud 290 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: case where she was allegedly caring for a family member 291 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: that had spina bifida UM and sent fraudulent invoices to 292 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: the v plain to me to leave my page. Follow 293 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: up on what Jim Elliott is saying, how this whole, 294 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: this whole farce got started. How'd they cook it up? 295 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: So Julie Weaver actually played guilty in February, months before 296 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: this incident happened to federal healthcare fraud. There was an 297 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: investigation into a pill mill clinic that led to her 298 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: because she apparently owned a home health business where she 299 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: would take care of sick people in their home. And 300 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: she had a relative that had spina bifida, which is 301 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: a spine condition they have difficulty walking, bladder control. And 302 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: the VA provides benefits to descendants of veterans that fought 303 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: in the Vietnam Korea War. And she was actually inflating 304 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: the days and hours that she worked and helped her 305 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: relative that was suffering from this condition and was scanning 306 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: money from the VA. And she pled guilty to that 307 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: was facing ten years in prison and had to pay 308 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: restitution of four hundred thousand dollars in that area. And 309 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: her husband is the one that cooked up this plot 310 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: allegedly to hide her so she wouldn't have to be 311 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: sentenced to ten years in prison for sam And now 312 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: we've got the Sun being dragged into it, being told 313 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: to go along with a fakery. What we understand is 314 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: that a husband and his wife faked her death by 315 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: pretending she falls over a cliff so she could avoid 316 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: jail time for fraud. Now, somehow the Sun has been 317 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: dragged into the whole thing too. Take a listen to 318 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: cut six Way TV news reporter Anna Saunders. Well was 319 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: originally reported as an accidental fall and a family's worst nightmare, 320 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: was actually a giant ploy to allegedly fake the death 321 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: or disappearance of Julie Wheeler, who was arrested alongside her 322 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: husband Rodney, as they now face a series of charges 323 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: fraudulent schemes, which is felony felony conspiracy, also the misdemeanor 324 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: of willful disruption of government processes, two different kinds of 325 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: giving false information to law enforcement and contributing to thelinquentship 326 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: of mind her because they involved their child. So what 327 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: happened at the overlook Well? According to the criminal complaint, 328 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: a call came in on Sunday night saying a woman 329 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: had fallen over the main Overlook grand view. At the 330 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: scene a male juvenile and his father, Rodney said Julie 331 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: reached over to pick up an earring and fell. Goes 332 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: on to say that Rodney and the Sun plans and 333 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: items of her as like a cell phone and a shoot, 334 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: but there was never any evidence she was actually at 335 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: the overlook, So how did they pull it off? Straight 336 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: back to Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 337 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: What happened? So apparently they went along with this story, 338 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: made a fake nine one one call, Julie hid out 339 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: in her closet, and they told the seventeen year old 340 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: son to go along with this story. It wasn't until 341 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: police had learned of her criminal history and they had 342 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: gotten a search warrant for a phone and email, any 343 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: electronic communications and the home. They went to the home, 344 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: deployed this search warrant, got in there and found her 345 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: hiding in her own quality. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists joining 346 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: us out of Atlanta. What does it say that they 347 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: dragged the sun into it and now he's facing charges 348 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: as well. Well. I have my own idea about these 349 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: folks after hearing this story, and that would be why 350 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: I certainly believe I believe they have they are personality disordered. 351 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Now this doesn't mean that this is not an excuse 352 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: for them, okay, Nancy, but it sounds to me like 353 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: they are one or both of them have antisocial personalities. Well, 354 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: so that's your excuse for everything, and antisocial personality. You 355 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: drag your son into a fraud plot. He's looking at it. Well, 356 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: go ahead, Well sure, because if you're if you're, if you're, 357 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: if you if you truly have a if you're a 358 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: personality disordered. Because none of us can understand this, none 359 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: of us would do this, right, Nancy, So then you 360 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: have to look deeper. What would make someone have complete 361 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: disregard and buy the rights of other Well, I can 362 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: tell you why a son would do it. A son 363 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: would do it to save his mom from going to jail. 364 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if I was between a rock and hard 365 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: spot and my husband or my children were going to jail, 366 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: I might go along with a little fakery. I'm not 367 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: saying that it's right, it's wrong. You know who reminds 368 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: me of to you, doctor Angie Angela Arnold, do you 369 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: remember Jennifer will Banks is so called runaway Bride. I'm 370 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: not talking about Julia Roberts. She was a woman who 371 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: was about to have a six hundred seat wedding and 372 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: then you know the whole shebang, like ten bridesmaids, ten grooms, 373 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: blah blah. That's hard for me to understand right there, 374 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: because Dave and I decided on Tuesday we're getting married 375 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and bam, we did it. It was great, 376 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: But she disappears the night before the wedding I believe 377 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: it was, and then shows up a week or two 378 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: later blaming some Hispanic males for sex assaulting her, which 379 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: was all a big lie. She made that up right, 380 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: And last I saw of her she was out doing 381 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: community service, cutting grass or picking up trash or something 382 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: like that. That was the runaway bride, the real one. 383 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: What about this woman, Well, this woman seems completely This 384 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: woman seems evil to me. I mean, she has no 385 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: regard for the human condition at all of us. You're 386 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: any kind of laws or regulations, I mean, to be 387 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: able to to fraud the government. And why when I 388 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: was looking at this Nancy, my fault was, why shouldn't 389 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: you put all of this energy to doing something good? 390 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: Use her powers for a good night evil? That's what 391 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: I tell my daughter Lucy all the time. But tell me, 392 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: doctor Arnold, not just as psychiatrist, but you have to 393 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: be a medical doctor. You've got to be an MD 394 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: before you can then focus in on psychiatry. What is 395 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: sp is a disorder in which the brain and the 396 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: spinal cord do not completely close in utero, and it 397 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: can there can be all different they're different. Spectrums of 398 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: spina bitha can affect people in very different ways. And um, 399 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: typically these children are wheel true ridden, they don't they 400 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: don't walk, Oftentimes they have Oftentimes, um, they're cognitively impaired. 401 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: They can have ball and bladder problems. It is a 402 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: it is bad to have spina. Okay, that is not 403 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: a good thing to have. And apparently this and this child, 404 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't believe that she was taking care of this 405 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: child with spin every day. I mean, but I mean, 406 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: the reality is you're asking doctor Angela Arnold, you're the shrink, 407 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: not me, what kind of person would take advantage of 408 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: the situation? She was taking advantage of spina bifiti children. So, 409 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, are you surprised you pulled this fraud? Off? 410 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: To Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about 411 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: a woman, Julie Wheeler, her husband, Rodney Wheeler, and now 412 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: their teens son has been dragged into it trying to 413 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: save his mom's neck. Apparently the husband comes up with 414 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: a plan to have mom fall off a cliff to 415 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: avoid a huge fine hundreds of thousands of dollars and 416 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: ten years behind bars for faking claims to the Feds. 417 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: It's like faking with the irs. Jackie, don't ever fake 418 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: the taxman. Don't do it, Brett, don't do it. They 419 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: will catch you. That's how al Capone got caught. He 420 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: murders all these people. He's a mobster, but it was 421 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: the Irs that got him. Do not lie to the Feds. 422 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: Just don't say anything. But for Pete's sake, don't lie 423 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: much less as she did put it in writing trying 424 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: to get money from the federal government for work she 425 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: was not doing. And now she's looking for an earring 426 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: and falls off a cliff. Boy that smelled to high 427 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 1: heaven at the get go. But I want you to 428 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: take a listen to again Fox fifty nine Paris done 429 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: for cut nine. The search not only costs different agencies 430 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: a lot of money, it also took a lot of time, 431 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: about forty hours worth, and more than half of the 432 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: men and women working on seeing were volunteers. There's a 433 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: little bit of frustration when we spend all that time 434 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: and manpower for a false claim. And for most of 435 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: those volunteers, they were repelling down a steep cliff, putting 436 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: themselves in danger. And you send all these people out 437 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: to risk their own lives and safety and well being 438 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: in order to search for someone that wasn't even there. 439 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: And even though they were searching for someone who was 440 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: never even there, for putting your lives at danger on 441 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: behalf of us, we appreciate it. They're hard working dedication 442 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: did not go unnoticed. And Julie and Rodney will are 443 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: facing multiple charges including conspiracy and fraud at the least. 444 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: And you know another thing straight out to you, Jim Elliott, 445 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: to you and Cloyd Steiger first to you, Jim. You know, 446 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: very often I'd have a court calendar, be it a 447 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: plea arrayment calendar or a trial calendar, emotions calendar, and 448 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the defendant wouldn't show up. I guess not because if 449 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: I had anything to do with he's going to jail. 450 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: But let's say we don't know where he is, and 451 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: I would say, always, first go to his mother's house, 452 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: number one, look under the bed and look in the closet. 453 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: Just just do that for me, and when you finish that, 454 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: call me on my cell phone, which, by the way, 455 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: got stolen out of the courtroom. My phone got stolen 456 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: out of the courtroom during a trial calendar. I had 457 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: it plugged in. Somebody stole my phone. I never found 458 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: it anyway, that's another cannon arms. My point is, Jim, 459 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: why this woman's found a hiding in her closet? Could 460 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: you surprise me just what? And don't be in your 461 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: closet or under your mom's bed. I mean it's almost laughable. 462 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: It's almost like Keystone cops. And what did you think 463 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: she was gonna? I mean, just ridiculous. I don't think 464 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: they thought it through it as a matter of fact, 465 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: isn't it true? Levi page Crime online dot com. She 466 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: was found just two days after this extensive search. She 467 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: hid out I guess in the closet for two days, 468 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: eating ramen noodles. I don't know. Was it two days? 469 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Two days? So chlod Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD 470 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: twenty two of that on homicide and author Isn't it true? 471 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Everybody always runs straight home to mom. They hide out 472 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: in mommy's house or in their own place, under their 473 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: bed or in their closet. It's just a given. Yeah, 474 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's always amazes me. And you know we 475 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: have I have big murder cases where people so he's 476 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: fled the country or this is that? No? Right? Down 477 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: the road, ride down the street. I'm saying, go to 478 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: mama's house or on Tea's house. That's where they're gonna 479 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: be always. I mean, you know, think about it. Don't 480 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: tell my children Cloyd Stiger when you run into him. 481 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: We play hide and seek in the house all the time. 482 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: It never fails. John David always goes to my closet 483 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: and hides same place every time. Lucy always goes to 484 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: the living room and she hides behind the curtain behind 485 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: the piano. It just is a given. Or they both 486 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: hide and start giggling under the ping pong table. They 487 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: always go the same place. What is that, Doctor Angela? 488 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: That are we just like you know the dog that 489 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: always circles three times before he sits down, Like the 490 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: murderer that always goes back to look at the crime scene. 491 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: Think about Scott Peterson looking out over San Francisco Bay. 492 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 1: They're tracking him on his car. Why do we always 493 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: do the same things over it and over Like this 494 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: woman hiding in a closet. It's a safe place. They 495 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: don't where else are they going to go? Right? I believe? 496 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: I believe, particularly with criminals that go back to their 497 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: mother's house and things like that where they can hide again. 498 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: They look, like you said, they haven't thought this through completely, 499 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: and they seek a safe place to go where they 500 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: think they're going to be. That's certainly an understatement. They 501 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: haven't thought this through completely. That's a that's certainly putting 502 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. Go ahead, haven't thought it through completely. 503 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: They've got her scaling the side of a cliff, or 504 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: and then it changes to she lost her earring. Think 505 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: about it, doctor Angela. You have volunteers repelling down the 506 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: side of a sheer cliff looking for this woman and 507 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: she's hiding in the closet having leftovers. That's why I 508 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: said there's a there's a there's a horrific antisocial personality disorder. Oh, 509 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: here you go with the personality disorder. The disorder is 510 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: she cheated the government and doesn't want to go to jail. Right, 511 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: that's the disorder. In complete disregard for anything that anybody 512 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: has to do to find her. Maybe maybe she didn't 513 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: think that it was going to go that far. I 514 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: have no idea but to think about the men who 515 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: put the men and women who put their lives in 516 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: danger to search for her. Oh my goodness, but no 517 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: one can feel sorry for her at this point, Kim, 518 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: they take a listen to our friends at Fox fifty nine, 519 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: Cut eight. He set the bail at one hundred thousand 520 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: dollars for both of them. If they make bail, they 521 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: will be restricted to home confinement. Prosecuting attorney Chris and 522 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Keller says she asked for home confinement because both are 523 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: considered a fight risk. And say, please say the Wheelers 524 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: tried to fake Julie falling off the main overlook at 525 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: Grand View. That nine one one call sent rescue crews 526 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: on an extensive search, and that search came with the 527 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: cost to take a look. Repel teams, drones, helicopters, and bloodhounds. 528 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: Those were all the resources used to search for Julie 529 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Wheeler came out calculated at this moment, only to find 530 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: out she and her husband allegedly faked the fall. But 531 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: who will pick up the bill? Assuming she's convicted, then 532 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: law the court would order restitution. Okay, now, just to 533 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: rub salt in the wound, take a listen to Riley Phillips, 534 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. Listen to this carefully. Two people accused 535 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: of faking a death where we're supposed to appear in 536 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: court today. Rodney and Julie Wheeler were scheduled to appear 537 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: in front of a judge this morning, but the Wheelers 538 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: did not qualify for a court appointed attorney because they 539 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: make too much money. They will now have to reapply 540 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: for an attorney. The preliminary hearing will also be rescheduled. 541 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: The Wheelers were arrested last week after legedli trying to 542 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: fake Julie's death. Jim Elliott, you know you kind of 543 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: have to be in the know, an inside player, to 544 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: note what which is played. Do you hear this? These 545 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: two scammed the government out of hundreds of thousands of dollars, 546 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, claiming the mom was taking care of 547 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: a spine a bifit A patient when she wasn't. Then 548 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: they fake her death to avoid jail time, use all 549 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: these resources. Then to top it all off, they file 550 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: for a public defender, which means a free lawyer to 551 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: defend her, who's paid for by you and me, the taxpayers. 552 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: We fund the public defenders for people that can't afford 553 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Then it turns out they made too much money, 554 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: money they stole from the government. According to prosecutors and 555 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: they got to get their own lawyer. They're still scamming 556 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott. They're still at it. I was gonna say, 557 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: trying to scam the government for the third rounds and 558 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: base image. That kind of audacities and me incredible. The 559 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: Public Defender's Office, so who I fought with them like 560 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: cats and dogs. But they work for practically nothing as 561 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: it is, and they get every case where somebody can't 562 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: afford a lawyer, no matter what the case is, and 563 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: here they are trying to take advantage of the Public 564 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: Defender's officer. There's no love laws between me and the 565 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: public Enners or any defense lawyer. But I mean, really 566 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: scamming off the PD's office, faking it to the end. Well, 567 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: of course they claim they're innocent. We wait as justice unfals. 568 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,