Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I Heard radio podcast.
Speaker 1: We just started the show. We were talking and Easton goes,
Speaker 1: we're talking about people's voice, like sometimes people's voice. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh no, oh no, I don't like your voice.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Well, and that's like my biggest I hate
Speaker 1: my voice. I hate my voice too. How many people
Speaker 1: hate my voice? Not many at all, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there's got to be I mean, Easton says
Speaker 1: he hates his voice. I love your voices. Anyone likes
Speaker 1: their voice, Thank you, jan It's very kind of you.
Speaker 1: You know, when I when I first started in a
Speaker 1: radio I was doing talk radio. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of complaints about people who didn't like my voice because
Speaker 1: I didn't sound I was doing news and I didn't
Speaker 1: sound authoritative. They said, interesting, Yeah, I've grown to ignore it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not a fan of my voice. But
Speaker 1: anyone actually likes her voice. But I think it's because
Speaker 1: it sounds different than what you hear. Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: So I just think that of course they're not going
Speaker 1: to I don't know. Sometimes I cringe when I listened
Speaker 1: back to this podcast. Oh it's because I'm like, you
Speaker 1: sounded so like a little ultimate way to judge yourself,
Speaker 1: because go back and listen to yourself on a podcast.
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard for me to listen, but
Speaker 1: I listened because I remember such a great guest. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, why do I sound like? Or like why
Speaker 1: did I say it like that? Like I'm like like
Speaker 1: when no wonder why people like written me? Apart it?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like I sound just and then I'm I'm
Speaker 1: ripping myself apart. I'm like, I'm going to go and
Speaker 1: write it right now and myself apart. Two We're literally
Speaker 1: just like having a conversation, not thinking and like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to judge you for being stupid or whatever
Speaker 1: you say. Later it's like, oh man, we were just
Speaker 1: gonna talk in and now people are like what are
Speaker 1: they talking about? Yeah, that's interesting you say that they
Speaker 1: didn't think you were authoritative? Like what I don't Okay.
Speaker 1: There was this one guy I went on a date
Speaker 1: with and he had a very well broadcaster speaking voice,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: I can't like it's it's everything was like so theatrical
Speaker 1: and uh and I'm like, what does that layer look like?
Speaker 1: When that's gone, and there was. I never saw that
Speaker 1: layer and I didn't even give it a second to
Speaker 1: see because it was just too much, too much. I
Speaker 1: just can't. Um, you know that was that was a
Speaker 1: one and done um. But it's you know, it is
Speaker 1: very interesting and again the whole critical just beating ourselves up.
Speaker 1: I went and had this, UM, I actually want to
Speaker 1: get her on the show. I got hypnotized yesterday. Have
Speaker 1: you ever done that before? No? Oh my gosh, how
Speaker 1: was that? It was amazing? Like it was It's like
Speaker 1: this deep, deep, deep meditative state. It's very strang It's
Speaker 1: like but like I have never felt so like I've
Speaker 1: meditated before, but this is like a whole different, like
Speaker 1: layer of meditation. I'm skeptical. Obviously so was I because
Speaker 1: I was just like, honestly, I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: But then I felt bad because'm like, well, it's like
Speaker 1: I have no excuse, the kids are not being we're
Speaker 1: doing quiet time, you know. I said, yes, so let's
Speaker 1: just let me just do it. And uh, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad I did because she's awesome. I'm actually gonna I
Speaker 1: texted Amy and Danielle are producers right after I was like,
Speaker 1: we have to get her on, so we're gonna get
Speaker 1: her on and she's gonna do like this group thing.
Speaker 1: So you can be skeptical in that. But no, it
Speaker 1: was just because there's something about meditating, right where how
Speaker 1: do you meditate? M I try? No, Well, like when
Speaker 1: you and trust me, I get it. I have. I've
Speaker 1: consistently been the worst meditator in the world. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what am I doing today? Or what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's these few like three minutes six minute things
Speaker 1: even that what Amy does in the office, Did she
Speaker 1: ever do that with you? I don't think we in
Speaker 1: the office. I'm gonna have to have for you. It's great.
Speaker 1: She's like, you're not gonna like that, but no, like,
Speaker 1: once you really and then you go to your happy place,
Speaker 1: like my calm, peaceful place that I've created in my mind.
Speaker 1: So whenever I get anxious, And this was a really
Speaker 1: good anxiety lesson for me when I was at on site.
Speaker 1: This is something that Jackie, my my therapist, did with me,
Speaker 1: and and she it's just I did it for what
Speaker 1: four straight days, and it was so amazing how much
Speaker 1: once I went through the even three or you know,
Speaker 1: three minute was like the shortest one in six minutes
Speaker 1: was the other one. I I was just like okay,
Speaker 1: Like I was like baseline, like I'm good, like nothing really,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like all my like heightened anxiety or stresses
Speaker 1: or this. It's just all just like well that's good,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to do, Like how do you not
Speaker 1: think about anything? I don't see, but you can you
Speaker 1: invite it in okay, and you say I'm not right now,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, Yeah, so immediately I get a thought
Speaker 1: and I'm like I wasn't supposed to be thinking. Well
Speaker 1: that's the thing saying. I'm like, oh god, now I'm
Speaker 1: like and then now I'm thinking and then like I
Speaker 1: don't remember that part because I thought it's like okay, great,
Speaker 1: but you just you keep just you're training yourself to
Speaker 1: like go back to this balloon floating in the air
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. But it was great. But
Speaker 1: the hYP hypnotizing piece, you go even like underneath that layer.
Speaker 1: So you're just like, I mean, I felt like I
Speaker 1: was like melted in my chair. It was wild, y'all,
Speaker 1: we're going to have her on and then he had
Speaker 1: a parent. After that, I was like, look, I need
Speaker 1: do that hypnotized He didn't text me, fine, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Whatever I deserve better? Was this yesterday? Yes? Okay, Now
Speaker 1: our text that was part of it. She like hypnotized
Speaker 1: me and give how often can you do you should you? Well,
Speaker 1: she'll tell you, she'll tell you all those things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: because we're definitely gonna have her on. She's awesome, amazing.
Speaker 1: But it was just funny because but it was more
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonna get to the point. Okay, I
Speaker 1: kind of went off, But the point was is I
Speaker 1: have such um and you know those too. I've passed
Speaker 1: out from it in times when I see a headline
Speaker 1: or I get hate or I mean, I my anxiety
Speaker 1: levels go so high that I'm trying to now stabilize
Speaker 1: that where I can look at it and go it's
Speaker 1: not going to make me hyperventilate to pass out. So
Speaker 1: or if I you know X, Y or Z so
Speaker 1: or if I I don't know, read anything, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, that's cool. They that sucks. They have
Speaker 1: that thought about me. But so it's about kind of
Speaker 1: going to that level and then just like you know,
Speaker 1: letting go of that energy. I mean, I can say
Speaker 1: the difference between you even just years ago and now
Speaker 1: with like panic attacks and anxiety from the outside looking
Speaker 1: in is tremendously different. I mean, I was thinking the
Speaker 1: other day about not even the plain story, which is
Speaker 1: my best anxiety story panic attack for you around. But
Speaker 1: do you know what I remember? I wanted to know
Speaker 1: if you remember this. Oh God, there's been so many
Speaker 1: when I first started working with you, I will never
Speaker 1: fade it. No, no, no, no, no no. I was
Speaker 1: still at home. Oh the church, Nope. Oh I called
Speaker 1: you at a church. Remember I then drive. I was
Speaker 1: having a panic attack, and I made you come pick
Speaker 1: me up at the church on Concord and whatever. Every
Speaker 1: time I passed, I'm like an anxiety tack there, nod
Speaker 1: cat come pick me up. Because me and Branlely got
Speaker 1: no fight. There's that one, dude. I'd forgot about that. No,
Speaker 1: I had not gone back to work. Emmy was still
Speaker 1: because we started working with Emmy was like five weeks old.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can picture myself in the bedroom dealing
Speaker 1: with this with the baby you bore. Think. I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry you were to go from somewhere to like a
Speaker 1: radio show and you wouldn't go in the airport Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my first interaction with you, really,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it as long as I live. I
Speaker 1: was like, just walk in, Like I just just walk
Speaker 1: and just go. She didn't understand I was having such
Speaker 1: a bad anxiety. I just visited Brantley or we just
Speaker 1: started dating, and I was like, the Atlanta airport is
Speaker 1: very stressful. Fair it is, I mean it's so stressful.
Speaker 1: And I just yeah, I did the whole of getting
Speaker 1: in that one tram thing and then it's just so
Speaker 1: many people. And so I called her and I just
Speaker 1: I could feel my heart. I'm like, I'm gonna pass out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Catherine, I can't. I can't walk
Speaker 1: in the airport. Mind you not to laugh about it.
Speaker 1: I had truly not dealt with anxiety really with someone
Speaker 1: before you. So I'm over here trying to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, we just started working together. Front of the other.
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm calling everybody. I'm like, hey, like the
Speaker 1: radio rap, I'm like, should I'd not be walking? Like
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You just have her walk in
Speaker 1: the airport? I'm like, I mean, I'm not there. I
Speaker 1: can't force her the next thing, I know, you're not
Speaker 1: going in the airport or driving back. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I just I just I physically couldn't do it. I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: his brother had to drive me, and was I with
Speaker 1: the guitar player. I can't remember meeting everyone there and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but yeah I had to drive because I
Speaker 1: didn't drive. I had someone driving me. But it was
Speaker 1: because I just I physically couldn't go in. But yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: well yeah I thought about that was a blast. You've
Speaker 1: come a long way and I wouldn't even travel alone
Speaker 1: up until really since my divorce. Yeah, I mean, even
Speaker 1: if you had to, if I had to, But I
Speaker 1: remember I had a panic attack when I was It
Speaker 1: was actually the show that Easton was at UM when
Speaker 1: he sang it, which we totally put back up on
Speaker 1: Socialis the other day. Um, even Easton came on stage.
Speaker 1: But I had a panic attack with Mike leaving, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't like and I was even
Speaker 1: with my band guys, but I just I didn't even
Speaker 1: want to fly then without him. I mean it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if I had to, had to I wouldn't cancel
Speaker 1: a show, but I mean there were times when I'm like,
Speaker 1: can I cancel the show? But I was telling this
Speaker 1: hypnosis lady that my anxiety truly went away after my divorce.
Speaker 1: Now I still have bouts of it. I know i'd
Speaker 1: handle it now, but I mean the massive anxiety attacks
Speaker 1: they have not so crazy. Yeah, I mean I've had
Speaker 1: like moments of like anxiety obviously that you saw, and yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so different, so differently. And that's me coming
Speaker 1: from a person that doesn't even truly understand the difference
Speaker 1: between anxiety panic. I'm not trained on that, and it
Speaker 1: is just from what I see, it's so different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just brought up every story though. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh that one that No, the church, No, not that
Speaker 1: one either. Okay, Yeah, I took a good time. I
Speaker 1: unloaded a lot of drama. I took a control and
Speaker 1: I yeah, I just I'm writing about that too because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people deal with anxiety and
Speaker 1: it's not fun. And um, maybe we can even talk
Speaker 1: to our amazing doctor Christina about that. She's going to
Speaker 1: be coming on um the show. She's a licensed clinical psychologist,
Speaker 1: so I think i'd love to just ask her kind
Speaker 1: of that what she sees with people that leave certain situations.
Speaker 1: And then because I think stress holds so much in
Speaker 1: your body when you're you know, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's just me. But because she deals with trauma, PTSC,
Speaker 1: substance abuse and addictions. So, um, we're gonna get her
Speaker 1: on the show. But before we do, Um gosh, that
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Speaker 1: you say San Francisco? Yeah? I love San franc That
Speaker 1: sounds so nice right now now, I love San franc
Speaker 1: I just was recently. They're visiting a friend, and I
Speaker 1: like ran the pier and it was just so beautiful. Yeah, beautiful,
Speaker 1: And I honestly, I don't know. I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh man, it was. I ran all the way down
Speaker 1: to the bay, the Bay Bridge, and then I ran
Speaker 1: to the golden Golden gate bridge like by the little
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, you know, I was very slow,
Speaker 1: but I did it, and it was so much fun um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's an active city. It's really chill weather,
Speaker 1: which is nice. Yeah, and you know, just for two
Speaker 1: million dollars you can have a shock, I mean for
Speaker 1: two So yeah, are you Are you from the Bay Area? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm from the East Coast when I was younger, but
Speaker 1: I've been out here since I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: middle school and haven't left, so I like it. It's
Speaker 1: hard to leave when you know, the weather's nice all
Speaker 1: year round and people are nice, and but it's kind
Speaker 1: of ridiculous in terms of how expensive it is. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't. I can't well, I mean I
Speaker 1: lived out and lived out in l A. But now
Speaker 1: living here in Nashville, Yeah, it's kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't know how I could go. I know how I could,
Speaker 1: because there's so much to offer in California and there's
Speaker 1: so much culture and things you can do, but it's
Speaker 1: the money piece that always stops me too, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: how can Like, you know, you can have this, but
Speaker 1: then you go there and then you you don't. You
Speaker 1: don't have to chop it into like quarters. But Nashville
Speaker 1: is being in the new California. I mean we can
Speaker 1: all agree, right because we all come in there. I
Speaker 1: know what I have to be. I'm like, okay, one
Speaker 1: more time, phone, come on. UM. A family in Franklin,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at houses and I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still better than California, but it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: From when they moved there, they got like a mansion
Speaker 1: for like three hundred and now it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a million. Yeah, good luck finding a three d millar
Speaker 1: house anywhere near here. I don't think it. I don't
Speaker 1: think it exists anymore. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe not Frankland right now. Well, we will welcome you
Speaker 1: with open arms. At church the other day, our pastor
Speaker 1: we were talking about moving and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: how many people, how many people have, like you know,
Speaker 1: have moved to Nashville the last five years, and like
Speaker 1: everyone raises their hands and then they're like, how many
Speaker 1: of you are from California? And they're like oh, they
Speaker 1: like I had all had their hands up, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, listen, I was here before, y'all. Okay,
Speaker 1: what you have to say that you have to say
Speaker 1: that I was before the movement. So we we were
Speaker 1: kind of having a conversation. I wanted to, um, bring
Speaker 1: you in on it. So I was I was telling
Speaker 1: her that I had met with this one woman, and
Speaker 1: I was telling her how post divorce, I noticed my
Speaker 1: anxiety pretty much mess still have moments of anxiety, but
Speaker 1: that it pretty much the big you know, panic attacks,
Speaker 1: the mill of the night, that waking up the um
Speaker 1: you know, I'm even able to do certain things now
Speaker 1: has it isn't there at all anymore? I mean, again,
Speaker 1: there's pieces and moments, right, but um, is there is
Speaker 1: there like a direct correlation with being in when you
Speaker 1: let go of something negative or I mean, what is
Speaker 1: the because I always thought anxiety was just tied to
Speaker 1: serotonin levels and with the chemicals in your brain and yeah, help, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm hearing a few different things that play
Speaker 1: when I hear a specific shift around how our body
Speaker 1: and our mind is holding anxiety. So sometimes we can
Speaker 1: look back and we can see, you know, in hindsight, wow,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that my anxiety was heightened in this
Speaker 1: period of time. And so whatever that time is, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, through a relationship, through a transition, through
Speaker 1: a hardship, through a work, you know, experience, whatever that
Speaker 1: is if we can look back and say, wow, my
Speaker 1: anxiety was really tired for you know, intrinsically to that situation,
Speaker 1: then we can say, hmm, I wonder if there's a
Speaker 1: relationship with that person, place, or thing that elevated that activated,
Speaker 1: that made my anxiety so much more palpable. The other
Speaker 1: part is is what we know about anxiety now, and
Speaker 1: they just actually released the study. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody have seen it. Around um serotonin and dopamine and
Speaker 1: all the neuro transmitters in our brain might not be
Speaker 1: the full story that we thought it was. With anxiety,
Speaker 1: depression and this other method really a nature versus nurture.
Speaker 1: Some of us, right are just genetically more prone to
Speaker 1: certain mental health struggles, panic, anxiety, depression, addiction, all of
Speaker 1: that we know historically has a stronger tie. But the
Speaker 1: other part is there's always going to be an environmental
Speaker 1: part that can activate something that already lies within us.
Speaker 1: So when you're speaking about divorce, we can make sense
Speaker 1: when we can look back and say, wow, that relationship
Speaker 1: activated me, triggered me, it really made me feel so
Speaker 1: many things. Now that there's distance from that, I'm noticing
Speaker 1: a change. And then the next part would be how
Speaker 1: do I continue to nurture that change so that my
Speaker 1: anxiety levels can be at a much more manageable right space,
Speaker 1: so that life can be much more on your terms
Speaker 1: versus what I call anxieties terms. I mean, that only
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I've always kind you know, that
Speaker 1: seems to be like the new stuff that's coming out,
Speaker 1: But I kind of thought that that's how it worked.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, I think I think part of
Speaker 1: us wants to believe that our mental struggles are fully
Speaker 1: outside of ourselves, right like we were born this way,
Speaker 1: you know, it's outside of our control. We didn't have
Speaker 1: a choice. And again I see it much more as
Speaker 1: some of us are more genetically vulnerable to certain things.
Speaker 1: But the good news is is that any mental health
Speaker 1: conditions such as anxiety, panic, depression, addiction, any of this
Speaker 1: is not a life sentence. And I truly want to
Speaker 1: empower people, especially the people I work with, to understand
Speaker 1: that sometimes when you get this diagnosis, it can be
Speaker 1: relieving for some because there's a name, but it can
Speaker 1: be so overwhelming and scary to think, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: am I gonna have anxiety for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: It's just what my whole life is going to look like.
Speaker 1: And I want people to also hear that that that
Speaker 1: isn't how anxiety works. There's never a time that you
Speaker 1: go back to feeling what you did that first panic attack,
Speaker 1: that first depressive episode. I always tell people that that part,
Speaker 1: it's not where you go back to. It's about how
Speaker 1: do you have tools in your toolbox to continue to
Speaker 1: navigate something that it's not just genetic based. How can
Speaker 1: you do your part in the healing journey so that
Speaker 1: none of this has to be a life sentence, but
Speaker 1: really a struggle of transition where you find out new
Speaker 1: different ways to navigate something that does and can become
Speaker 1: sin through time and treatment. So anxiety, is it right?
Speaker 1: Is about like unknown fear, right, Okay, So where where
Speaker 1: my anxiety comes in It is like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this because I'm afraid I'm going to
Speaker 1: have a panic attack. M hmm, yeah, that's panic cat
Speaker 1: that is panic attack one oh one. Yeah. So that
Speaker 1: is why I don't do certain things because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't do that because what if I have an
Speaker 1: anxiety attack or what happens or and so that's why
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. I would love to change that mindset to
Speaker 1: not say, well, I'm not going to do this because
Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm gonna have a panic attack or and
Speaker 1: I feel like I've let itself go in certain areas,
Speaker 1: but there are other things that I still feel like
Speaker 1: I hold myself back because I'm more afraid of, like, well,
Speaker 1: what happens if I get a panic attack? Then what?
Speaker 1: M hmmmm? So as a panic attack, um, what do
Speaker 1: I want to call myself survivor warrior? I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what term I use. But as someone who
Speaker 1: struggled with pan attacks all of my adolescents in your
Speaker 1: adult life, the one thing my therapist taught me was
Speaker 1: that panic attacks are fueled off of avoidance. So every
Speaker 1: time we avoid, we strengthen that fear around having a
Speaker 1: panic attack. So every time we don't make that phone call,
Speaker 1: we don't take that trip, we don't reach out to
Speaker 1: that person, we don't get on that flight, every time
Speaker 1: we avoid, we strengthen the circular impact of panic attacks.
Speaker 1: And so in our mind, temporary discomfort okay we have,
Speaker 1: but we're training that in for long term dysfunction, because
Speaker 1: now our life becomes smaller and smaller and smaller, because
Speaker 1: we tend to continue to avoid and avoid because it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, good job, I kept myself safe. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a panic attack. That means I have to
Speaker 1: keep avoiding going on this bridge, getting on that highway,
Speaker 1: getting on you know that helicopter. Whatever our our panic
Speaker 1: attack trigger is right, whether it's emotional, whether it's physical,
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves a good job, I avoided it. I
Speaker 1: didn't have pain attack, So I need to keep avoiding it,
Speaker 1: and then our world gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 1: The true trick with panic attacks, and it has to
Speaker 1: be you know, intervals and slow and steady, is that
Speaker 1: you have to find what we call in psychology your
Speaker 1: window of tolerance, which is how much discomfort can I
Speaker 1: tolerate without getting flooded, without being overwhelmed, without having the
Speaker 1: panic attack, So that I can teach myself, I can
Speaker 1: train myself to know that actually can do these really hard, scary,
Speaker 1: difficult things. And it's so much easier said than done.
Speaker 1: But you have to remind yourself that avoidance is absolutely
Speaker 1: the crux of panic attacks, and every time we choose
Speaker 1: not to avoid, we're slowly chipping away at that connection,
Speaker 1: that relationship we've given ourselves between the panic attack and
Speaker 1: the thing that we think will activate or trigger it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's interesting and and it makes total sense.
Speaker 1: And also a part of me is like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend, uh do a road trip with
Speaker 1: her kids from Florida to Michigan and on the way
Speaker 1: back Michigan and Florida, and yesterday she stopped on her
Speaker 1: way back, and I'm just like, man, I could never
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, yeah, because what I can barely drive
Speaker 1: in the expressway. I send my girlfriends like a you know,
Speaker 1: a joke text mess and like go, guys, look at
Speaker 1: them on the expressway, Like because you know, I go.
Speaker 1: I only go my comfort bubble of where I drive
Speaker 1: on the expressway because if I get trapped on an expressway,
Speaker 1: I will pass out in my car. There is no
Speaker 1: like I will have I will have a helicopter come
Speaker 1: air lift me out of my car. Like that is
Speaker 1: how bad being trapped is for me. Is like PTSD trauma.
Speaker 1: So like I just avoid it at all costs. Now,
Speaker 1: when I know that there's not gonna be traffic time, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll hop on for like a few exits just to
Speaker 1: be like I got this, I got this, like I'm driving,
Speaker 1: but then, you know, is that okay to just to go?
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just not one of those people
Speaker 1: that are gonna be able to across country trip. And
Speaker 1: I don't really have to prove anything to myself, no,
Speaker 1: And I think all of us has to check in
Speaker 1: with what would be meaningful for you, right, which is
Speaker 1: different than what's meaningful for me. So much of our anxiety, though,
Speaker 1: does attack things that matter to us, right. And so
Speaker 1: if for you it matters to be able to you know,
Speaker 1: get in the car with your kids and be like,
Speaker 1: we're going to Disney World, right, Like, if that matters
Speaker 1: to you, right, then I would say, huh, I want
Speaker 1: to do around that? How would we want to make
Speaker 1: small incremental shifts towards that goal? If for you, you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to work on this, but I
Speaker 1: don't need to feel like I'm going to California in
Speaker 1: New York right asking ourselves when anxieties in the picture,
Speaker 1: does this mean something to me? Does this matter to me?
Speaker 1: Because there's a difference between avoiding something because it's not
Speaker 1: important and avoiding something because it makes us so incredibly uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you avoid? I know you don't
Speaker 1: really is is everything you are saying is applying to me,
Speaker 1: but not with anxiety and panic attacks, just with being
Speaker 1: vulnerable Like that Literally everything she's saying I was, And
Speaker 1: I literally have dealt with the situation all week. That
Speaker 1: is that, And it's like I want to avoid. I
Speaker 1: want to avoid, and then tried to address it head
Speaker 1: on and then I just kind of leashed. My emotions
Speaker 1: were all over the place. But I got to a
Speaker 1: point where it's like I can't keep avoiding being vulnerable
Speaker 1: and talking about how I feel because I have to
Speaker 1: be able to move forward. But it's just interesting because
Speaker 1: it just applies the same I feel like, right, but
Speaker 1: that's not really diety. But but avoidance in general keeps
Speaker 1: us right. Like you said, I want to avoid because
Speaker 1: I don't want to tolerate this discomfort. But then you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself, but what am I treating in
Speaker 1: that for? Yeah, And it's usually a longer term discomfort
Speaker 1: or dysfunction where we teach ourselves to be quiet, we
Speaker 1: teach ourselves not to speak our truth, We teach ourselves that,
Speaker 1: you know, what we'd rather just keep the peace, and
Speaker 1: we have to check in with ourselves and like, well,
Speaker 1: but our inner peace, when did that stop mattering? Right?
Speaker 1: And it does. We We are taught just decidally that,
Speaker 1: you know, just be quiet, go with the flow, don't
Speaker 1: say much um and and I think that anybody who
Speaker 1: questions that is is already a few steps ahead where
Speaker 1: you're like, ah, this doesn't feel good not to speak
Speaker 1: on this or say something about this, but I know
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to technically, or maybe I shouldn't. And
Speaker 1: still choosing to say something within your comfort level is important.
Speaker 1: Is how we slowly and again, all of this is
Speaker 1: about taking incremental steps towards, you know, getting getting outside
Speaker 1: of our comfort zone. And I actually dislike the saying
Speaker 1: like everything good is outside your comfort zone, because I
Speaker 1: think that actually everything good is when we stretch our
Speaker 1: comfort zone. Right. We don't throw somebody in the deep
Speaker 1: end when they can't swim just because they're uncomfortable with it. No,
Speaker 1: we teach them how to get a little further and
Speaker 1: a little further and a little further until they feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to learn to the deep end. And that's
Speaker 1: how our comfort zones grow. Every time we choose to
Speaker 1: stretch it, we get stronger, we become more resilient. And
Speaker 1: so I think that, like you said, it applies to
Speaker 1: all things, not just our mental health struggles. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's in a way, it's just getting unstuck from you know,
Speaker 1: uncomfortablelitty or anxiety or depression or just like you're keeping
Speaker 1: yourself ultimately stuck. So how do you unstick yourself from it?
Speaker 1: And it does it gets to be a dysfunction for sure,
Speaker 1: you know you say that, it's like you look and
Speaker 1: it's like, man, I'm thirty eight years old and I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for how long. It's like now I
Speaker 1: got to start over and figure out how to do
Speaker 1: this differently because I got myself right. Hey, here we are.
Speaker 1: How did you feel though being vulnerable? Obviously we're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about what the situation, but like, but
Speaker 1: like I'm just curious because you you do, you know,
Speaker 1: struggle with being vulnerable in that area, and so I'm
Speaker 1: just curious how that. The interesting thing is is like
Speaker 1: I will go have a conversation, like I will come
Speaker 1: at you like I'm an eight and I'm going to like,
Speaker 1: let you know, but it's vulnerable though no, but the vulnerable.
Speaker 1: So it's like, so what I struggled with with this
Speaker 1: certain sick situation is I wanted to be mad. I
Speaker 1: was hurt. I wanted to be mad, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to attack. But then I had to kind of peel
Speaker 1: that back and sit down and have a conversation and
Speaker 1: like live in those emotions and apologize for it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I have never felt that much growth ever
Speaker 1: in thirty eight years, you ever, And how like, how
Speaker 1: did that feel? Proud? Think I was emotional roller coasters?
Speaker 1: It was like I feel not to say like nothing
Speaker 1: bad about bipolar, but I felt very bipolar. It was
Speaker 1: just like one minute I felt this and women and
Speaker 1: I felt this, and I was just like I've never
Speaker 1: dealt with these kinds of emotions. It was beyond crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still I can feel it's still a
Speaker 1: training though, you know, because I'll still find myself being like,
Speaker 1: oh but that's still kind of okay, bring it back
Speaker 1: like wow, does this mean you know, oh that's a
Speaker 1: lot yep, Like but but like you're even showing emotion now,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like I just I mean, not
Speaker 1: to give too much information and not to go onto
Speaker 1: my stuff, but like, I just came out of a
Speaker 1: fifteen year marriage and part of this whole thing ended
Speaker 1: in the night of having a conversation with my ex
Speaker 1: husband and he literally looked at me and he was like,
Speaker 1: I have never seen this, you know, I mean like
Speaker 1: he just in like I think he needed it, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he needed to see it. I needed to
Speaker 1: feel it. I needed to see it. And it was
Speaker 1: just it was just such a moment. I was like,
Speaker 1: nobody's seeing this from me, you know, it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: but I'm so proud of you because that is that's
Speaker 1: the growth that you know, you talked about with you know,
Speaker 1: our therapist Amy, where it's like this is this is
Speaker 1: the work to to not repeat the patterns, like it's
Speaker 1: weird exactly asked. I was like, but how do I
Speaker 1: do this? Like how do I change? How do I
Speaker 1: And it's just kind of like it's happening this situation.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily wish the situation would happen, but now
Speaker 1: I'm why it happened, you know, And now you get
Speaker 1: to see how like it does happen with your growth
Speaker 1: and like how does it change? Well, you just have
Speaker 1: to sink into the thens, the uncomfortableness, is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they discomfort yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to stay in
Speaker 1: the stock is what we say, for a minute or two, right,
Speaker 1: and and really feel what is calling to be felt.
Speaker 1: And that's what I hear from your stories that you
Speaker 1: allowed yourself maybe to feel things that surprised you, surprised
Speaker 1: an observer, you know, that had a front seat for
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years and and whenever those um opportunities
Speaker 1: for growth happen, they're not they're not necessarily fun, they're
Speaker 1: not enjoyable. Um. But you get to look back and
Speaker 1: you know, you get to say, like, huh, I wonder
Speaker 1: I wonder what I'm trying two tap into that was
Speaker 1: ready finally to be expressed. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think
Speaker 1: to like, you're wanting to do things differently. Again, we
Speaker 1: don't know how right certain times, but that was a
Speaker 1: that was something that you get to go run into
Speaker 1: now and tell Amy like I did. Isn't it to
Speaker 1: tell her we have the same therapist to go back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's so many moments in my I was
Speaker 1: dealing with something that I shared last week on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I was like, Okay, my friend's like, well, can
Speaker 1: you just kind of lie and say you don't want
Speaker 1: to come over because you don't feel good. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I have to do this differently, Like I have to
Speaker 1: like I have to speak my truth and like set
Speaker 1: up boundaries and like and and and I want to
Speaker 1: go run to Amy and tell her I did it right. Star.
Speaker 1: I want a gold star for my therapist. We all do,
Speaker 1: We all do. Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. I totally
Speaker 1: want a gold star always. But I'm still her favorite.
Speaker 1: We also want to be everyone's favorite. It's funny. Whenever
Speaker 1: we do telehealth, I'll put on there, I'm like your
Speaker 1: favorite client, Like I don't put my name just like
Speaker 1: your favorite client. She hates me, she does. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to what you've seen. You know, we both have
Speaker 1: young kids, and do you have kids as well? What
Speaker 1: are your ages? Six? Two in nine months? Oh? Why
Speaker 1: do you think I'm outside? Got it? Okay? Well, so
Speaker 1: I've got a six and um she's got three that
Speaker 1: are always ten, sixteen, ten and six and minor six
Speaker 1: and three. And you know, what do you think is
Speaker 1: for their generation going to be the thing that we
Speaker 1: have to watch with them? Is it? Is it more depression.
Speaker 1: Is it more anxiety? Is it more? And like what
Speaker 1: are the leading is it? Is it social media? Is it? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it so that I can not I don't
Speaker 1: want to put bubble wrap around him, right, but I
Speaker 1: also want to be aware of things that like that
Speaker 1: you might see that from people coming in or that
Speaker 1: you talked to that's like this is or and you know,
Speaker 1: as divorced single moms, like what's something that you know?
Speaker 1: So I know there's like the million questions thrown at you,
Speaker 1: but just because because I I have made mistakes where
Speaker 1: I said something, oh my God to my daughter the
Speaker 1: other day and I had just had I was at
Speaker 1: my wits end and I ended up going and apologizing
Speaker 1: to her. But she's just challenging me every freaking second.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know this, let's just like why mommy,
Speaker 1: or like just or whining. I'm like, Jolie, can you
Speaker 1: just say yes mommy? Or just like And I try
Speaker 1: a few times to just be and then by the
Speaker 1: fourth time she's like, well I don't want anyone. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, And I go, I don't care,
Speaker 1: and Jace goes, I don't care, and I was like
Speaker 1: and I just started crying. Media immediately started like bawling,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I am the worst mother,
Speaker 1: and but the keep goes. I'm like, now we're all yelling,
Speaker 1: and now my child everyone's crying, said the efford. Do
Speaker 1: not feel alone. We have all been there. You're lying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I've failed. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this gonna like, is she gonna now be depressed
Speaker 1: because I'm just like screaming at her? Or again I don't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't screaming, but I was. I definitely was like yelling,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't like to yell. I don't
Speaker 1: like to get to that place. It doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: I don't like when we're all yelling at each other.
Speaker 1: But anyways, there's a million questions, answer whichever ones you want.
Speaker 1: I'll start with the last one about it's all about
Speaker 1: the repair. It's all about the repair. We are human,
Speaker 1: whether we mess up in our home, outside our home,
Speaker 1: on a public stage, in private, we're all human. And
Speaker 1: when we choose to repair, when we choose to umber
Speaker 1: ourselves and go to somebody and say, wow, I am
Speaker 1: so sorry, I was in the wrong. I messed up,
Speaker 1: we still live in the society that somehow thinks we
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that with children, and it bugs me because
Speaker 1: you absolutely should apologize. I mean I think I do
Speaker 1: it daily, so I might be on the other extreme,
Speaker 1: but we should absolutely apologize to our children because they
Speaker 1: are seeing that we can get it on our knees,
Speaker 1: look them in the eyes and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: Mommy messed up right now. I should not have yelled.
Speaker 1: It actually had nothing to do with you. What happens
Speaker 1: then when it actually does, then you get to say.
Speaker 1: Then you get to correct and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: mommy lost her patients and that was wrong because even
Speaker 1: if it didn't have to deal with her, yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I sat down with her and I laid with her
Speaker 1: in bed that night, and I was like, baby, girld,
Speaker 1: Mommy is really sorry. I yelled. It's just very frustrating
Speaker 1: when you do listen. But I'm so sorry, I yelled,
Speaker 1: and like, can we both try again tomorrow? Like you
Speaker 1: listen and I'll be more patient and m m m m.
Speaker 1: And then the repair is a commitment for us not
Speaker 1: to repeat. So there's a stame in psychology. We either
Speaker 1: repeat or we repair, and that really means are we
Speaker 1: willing to look at something right and repair it, or
Speaker 1: are we then not looking at it? And please believe,
Speaker 1: we will repeat it. So if we're looking at somebody
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I'm really sorry, I that that was
Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to speak to you. I
Speaker 1: really needed you to you know, get the lunch um.
Speaker 1: But it never is okay for me to yell, and
Speaker 1: and that's something I need to work on. So today
Speaker 1: I'm going to take him time and I'm going to
Speaker 1: reflect on how I can work on my patients. And
Speaker 1: I would love it if you could join me. You know,
Speaker 1: if you see me getting frustrated, to also give me
Speaker 1: some grace because I'm learning to and really allow people
Speaker 1: will to know that we're gonna stumble in this journey,
Speaker 1: but we do want to repair. We don't want to repeat.
Speaker 1: We don't want to keep saying the same sorry to
Speaker 1: our kids, to our spouse, to our friends because they stopped.
Speaker 1: Then it loses me, right, you lie to your friends
Speaker 1: and then you're like, sorry, I lied again. What's I'm
Speaker 1: working on it? Sorry light again, What's I'm working on it? All? Right?
Speaker 1: She just likes the live, okay, But if somebody like
Speaker 1: our child comes in, they're like, wow, Like my mom
Speaker 1: says she wants to work on our yelling, and then
Speaker 1: maybe not tomorrow, but you know, six months on the line,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's yelling right that will impact them
Speaker 1: because they're gonna see a changed behavior, They're gonna see
Speaker 1: a repair. And that's a gift we get to give
Speaker 1: our our children that we're growing with them. And please believe,
Speaker 1: our children will activate our own traumas. They activate all
Speaker 1: of our traumas. Nobody tells you that when you're glowing
Speaker 1: and you get your pregnant bump and you're like, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to be a mommy. No one's like, hey,
Speaker 1: guess what, all your traumas that you haven't seen yet,
Speaker 1: they're about to come to the surface in the next
Speaker 1: ten years because they will activate our traumas, our own
Speaker 1: traumas from childhood, the way we were raised, the way
Speaker 1: we were spoken to, our relationship with their parents are siblings.
Speaker 1: I mean, it comes full with circle. So we have
Speaker 1: to be willing to apologize and we have to be
Speaker 1: willing to do our own work so that we don't repeat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At on site, that was the biggest thing. They were
Speaker 1: like it's not about the rip, it's about the repair.
Speaker 1: And like I just I always loved that quote so much.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that means we're gonna say something. Well. I
Speaker 1: was literally just reading a book that was just talking
Speaker 1: about that about how kids activate your you know you're past,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, no, kidding, like not that what
Speaker 1: this is? You know? I think it's that too. And
Speaker 1: also sometimes when I am in conflict with other people,
Speaker 1: I go, what is it about myself that I don't
Speaker 1: what is? What is There's something in me that like?
Speaker 1: Is that? That's why I don't like that? Like so
Speaker 1: my mom, when I get angry, it's because a piece
Speaker 1: of me of what I do that I don't like.
Speaker 1: So it's like I almost see like the reflect shin
Speaker 1: mm hmmm something too. That's as interesting the first time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh gosh, all right, now on to the
Speaker 1: other depression was yes, with our children and depression anxiety trauma.
Speaker 1: There's so many different lens that we can choose to
Speaker 1: view this, and so I always want to kind of
Speaker 1: caveat that because are there more rates of depression anxiety now? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: It's skyrockets. We're now seeing it everywhere with everyone did
Speaker 1: that always exist? Potentially, but we weren't talking about it,
Speaker 1: So we have to really think about it. Is it
Speaker 1: that these cases have increased? Right? And to some degree, yes,
Speaker 1: COVID pandemic all that. Absolutely, we can just clearly see
Speaker 1: the difference. But even before that, I asked myself, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this stuff was always there and we just weren't
Speaker 1: talking about it and it was underreported and it was normalized.
Speaker 1: I mean, they knew what a narcissist was a year ago,
Speaker 1: so right, But that's what I mean though. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think these things have always existed and we just
Speaker 1: told people to be quiet about it and we shame
Speaker 1: them if they spoke about it, or you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day we send people away to treatment or right, like,
Speaker 1: I imagine these things have always existed. So sometimes as
Speaker 1: a parent you can be scary because you're reading the
Speaker 1: data from the CDC and is saying how many you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of kids have depression, anxiety, eating disorders, trauma,
Speaker 1: And yes, that exists, But I also want to say
Speaker 1: that I think it's always existed. We just didn't have
Speaker 1: the language, the word, the words, or the opportunity to
Speaker 1: really speak to it, and I am thankful because at
Speaker 1: least now present day, we at least know, hey, these
Speaker 1: are the signs of depression, these are the signs of
Speaker 1: these are the signs of eating disorders, and we know
Speaker 1: that there's treatment out there that can support it, versus
Speaker 1: people living their whole lives in silence, shame or struggle
Speaker 1: and nobody doing something about it. Yeah, definitely, I mean
Speaker 1: it's you. It's just so much more normalized now. I mean,
Speaker 1: even just to go to a therapist, like I would
Speaker 1: not have grown up like asking to go to a therapist. Ever,
Speaker 1: It's just so much more normalized now. I loved my counselor.
Speaker 1: But would you have told people? Uh, because people just
Speaker 1: didn't really do it as much and people didn't talk
Speaker 1: about it. That's very true. Yeah, that's where you're kind
Speaker 1: of just do it and quiet and good for you
Speaker 1: for doing it. But I wouldn't have you know. But
Speaker 1: that's what I mean now I have you know, I
Speaker 1: work a lot with teams and yang adults are coming
Speaker 1: in their texting their best friend, help call you back
Speaker 1: at my therapist, right, like you know, been calling them
Speaker 1: after Like all right, So today we talked about this
Speaker 1: and I'm like laughing because I'm like, Wow, what a
Speaker 1: beautiful freedom to be able to just speak that to
Speaker 1: somebody when that wasn't gifted to you know, you and
Speaker 1: me at that age, and and it gives me hope.
Speaker 1: It gives me hope that we can continue to normalize therapy,
Speaker 1: we can continue to normalize and even prioritize our mental
Speaker 1: wellness because at the end of the day, mental health
Speaker 1: is health. Mental health is physical health. There is nothing
Speaker 1: in our lives if we are not mentally well. And
Speaker 1: we still have a long way to go, but hey,
Speaker 1: we're starting somewhere. I love it. Where can our listeners
Speaker 1: find you? Because you are awesome? Well thank Um. I'm
Speaker 1: on Instagram, UM at Dr Christina um underscore something, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram. And then I also have a mental
Speaker 1: health action campaign that's been out there for about three
Speaker 1: years UM called hashtag therapy is cool, speaking of therapy,
Speaker 1: and it's awesome. It provides you know, resources for people
Speaker 1: to get access to therapy. It's got shirre, it's got totes,
Speaker 1: and um, it's been really cool to see people all
Speaker 1: over the world, you know, out in these you know
Speaker 1: monamental you know places it's a word on them that
Speaker 1: lets people know it's okay to to seek help, it's
Speaker 1: okay to support yourself, it's okay to reach out because
Speaker 1: none of us are in it alone. Yeah, amen to that. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate.
Speaker 1: I might have to come see you san Fran. Yeah
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for having me. All right, thanks girl,
Speaker 1: thank you. Good byeye. Who knows if I'll ever be
Speaker 1: back to San Fran, but if I do, I have
Speaker 1: a nice little session, I will damn her and be like, Hi,
Speaker 1: she's great. Love love her, love her energy too. And
Speaker 1: it's also just like, I don't know, it's all applicable,
Speaker 1: it's all good. Like what're you thinking over there? I'm
Speaker 1: still kind of on Atlanta, but it's a little on
Speaker 1: my chest. I'm gonna have to go back to my
Speaker 1: hypnotisk hypnotipnotism. Um question. So when she answered your question
Speaker 1: about um the road trip part of it, did that
Speaker 1: is that something that's important to you that you would
Speaker 1: want to try and push or is it not good question? Um?
Speaker 1: So I thought about that, and I love road trips.
Speaker 1: I love road trips, and I actually like driving. I
Speaker 1: just don't like driving out of my comfort zone. Um,
Speaker 1: here's here's here's the answer. It's not that it's important
Speaker 1: to me. It's I don't like to have anything to
Speaker 1: hold me back, right, That's what I don't like is
Speaker 1: knowing that I have something that would hold me back
Speaker 1: from doing something at all. In general. Sure, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to jump out of a plane because I'm
Speaker 1: scared that all of the panic attack, but it would
Speaker 1: How cool would that be? I'm holding myself back from
Speaker 1: certain things that could be an experience looking at it,
Speaker 1: like what is important for you that gives you anxiety
Speaker 1: that you could start pushing yourself and then maybe that
Speaker 1: helps you push you out of your comfort zone kind
Speaker 1: of in general. I just thought I was just thinking.
Speaker 1: When she asked that, I was like, that's a good question,
Speaker 1: you know, because if it's not important to you, I
Speaker 1: can see where it's like, okay, like maybe I'll try
Speaker 1: and work on it, but it's not worth like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's a good question, and I'll have to
Speaker 1: I think I have to write down a list of
Speaker 1: what is actually sure important that is that I feel
Speaker 1: that's holding me back. Well, like we probably travel before
Speaker 1: right by yourself for that was important to you, and
Speaker 1: you push yourself out of that. You know, that comfort
Speaker 1: zone just interesting, yeah it is, I mean yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Alright, guys, have a great one and
Speaker 1: see you next week.