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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Andrew the try Force Howard. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realist.

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Speaker 3: Ooh how we love some hidden history, you guys. What's

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Speaker 3: your favorite hidden history story that we've covered?

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Speaker 4: Atlantis, Secret civilizations, Lost civilizations are always a banger.

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Speaker 2: Cronoak was a big one for me when we first

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Speaker 2: started looking to it, and now crow it so.

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Speaker 4: Much right, I always confuse it with Krakatoa. It's crow Atan.

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Speaker 4: That's the word that was etched onto the tree.

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Speaker 3: Krakatoa is the sentient mutant island in the x men Ethos.

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Speaker 4: With that, I do have to respectfully ask you to

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Speaker 4: read this incredible quote that you got because I just got.

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Speaker 3: I love the attribution so very much. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: our boy wrote this where our governing force. Some would say,

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Speaker 3: for after seven more days, I will send rain on

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Speaker 3: the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will

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Speaker 3: blot out from the face of the land every living

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Speaker 3: thing that I have made. Now, do we want to

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Speaker 3: guess who said that? Alleged jars of clay? Jars of clay? Yes, oh, man,

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Speaker 3: I remember we were talking about jars of clay earlier,

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Speaker 3: maybe a few months ago, and I went back on

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Speaker 3: a deep jars of clay bingch that one song is

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Speaker 3: still I like it, I will say, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I think it was just called blood. Yes, mistaken.

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Speaker 4: This is not a jars of clay lyric pool However,

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Speaker 4: this is in fact from God.

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Speaker 3: Yes, from Genesis seven to four. Yeah, yeah, one of

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Speaker 3: his first bangers. It's also where he or not a

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Speaker 3: gender God. It's also where God super humbly describes the

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Speaker 3: creation of the universe. And then I did that, he said,

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Speaker 3: And then afterwards God says, ah, I'm gonna erase this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oops, mulligan. It's a flood story. And oh they're so common, right.

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Speaker 3: This episode takes us to a flood story. We're traveling,

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Speaker 3: and I love that you mentioned Atlantis. We're traveling through

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Speaker 3: time and space through the ancient Persian Gulf and just

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Speaker 3: maybe we're discovering a lost civilization along the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love this episode. This the idea in particular, because

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Speaker 2: we think of at least I thought of flood in

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Speaker 2: But what we're learning as we humans continue on, it's

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Speaker 2: that flooding, massive flooding, like real Earth changing flooding, occurs

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Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways, and it's not just

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Speaker 2: from rain. Sometimes it's because the ocean literally moves around.

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Speaker 3: Plates right, movement of the actual stuff of Earth. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Earth is a living organism and every so often it

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Speaker 3: has a massive fart, you know what I mean, a

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Speaker 3: massive bowel movement. Well, there you go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what better way to lead into our tiny

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Speaker 4: quick break and then come back with more about Earth's farts.

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts, all right. To understand tonight's episode

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Speaker 3: first learn about the Persian Gulf. We were talking about

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Speaker 3: this a little bit off air. It is also called

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Speaker 3: the Arabian Gulf. The current US president, quite recently in

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Speaker 3: the news came out to reporters and said, we're not

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Speaker 4: I thought he was just gonna name it golf of

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Speaker 4: America again. What have we just started naming everything of America?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know about you guys, but my

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Speaker 4: Desert storm, right, yer, Fox, the desert storm, yes, of course,

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Speaker 4: and you would hear father of President Bush speaking.

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Speaker 2: He would say the Persian golf all the time. And

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Speaker 3: Right right and then and then sometimes I think, not

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Speaker 4: Can I also just say that I've never really thought

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Speaker 4: like Lovecraftian, like the idea of an abyss. Why don't

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Speaker 4: we just call it the abyss, the Persian abyss.

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Speaker 3: The Persian chasm. Yeah, I hear that. It's I think,

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Speaker 3: It's like an inland sea.

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Speaker 2: but it's pushing around where Oman and the United Arab

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Speaker 2: into the Persian Golf or creates the Persian Golf, right,

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Speaker 3: Right, we can also see the topography of the area.

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Speaker 3: Now that's key, and that that little crook you're describing there,

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Speaker 3: most valuable bottlenecks, if we're being diplomatic. So the Persian Gulf,

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Speaker 2: That's at the Horror Moves straight up, straight.

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Speaker 3: Of of horror Moves. Yes, correct. And the other thing that

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Speaker 3: Shipping vessels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, great point there, Noel.

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Speaker 3: And this is it's called the Persian Gulf because historically

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, part of the inspiration in fact, it's so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what was it that it was like a

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Speaker 4: So that had been the vista that Matt's describing when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh oh, Cutter is its own peninsula,

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Speaker 3: right if you look at a map, it's a tiny,

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Speaker 3: think of it as a historic regional hotspot, especially when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the oil trade. Spice must flow, The

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Speaker 3: Right right, especially the tax structure and things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's an important point about perceived stability

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Speaker 3: a few days ago May of this year. We're recording

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Speaker 3: the case. For thousands, thousands of years before was flooded

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Speaker 4: No, instead, doctor j Jefferson Jeffrey Yes, jingle Heimer Schmidt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's no small thing. Guys, my god,

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00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: holy crap, it's so.

432
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: Weird to think about. Look how many guys look around

433
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: at how many containers are in your immediate area. That

434
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: wasn't always the thing, people, we were saying this in

435
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: ridiculous history. Early humans used to find a source of

436
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: water and think, well, crap, I live here now, but

437
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: I can't carry it anywhere.

438
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and as we advanced at all, humanity realized,

439
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: oh I need to carry something large, I need to

440
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: carry something heavy. I better use the water. That's really

441
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: the only way I'm going to get that anywhere, right,

442
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: And that was that was why that's so such a

443
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: good point, you guys, and man, I never thought about

444
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: drugs like that, but we talked about it with our

445
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: when we went deep on rivers and just how much

446
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: those rivers have been the way humanity got things around,

447
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: especially with trade. And then you're thinking about this large

448
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: body of water. If there was any land mass that

449
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: we're talking about today, humans would have been on that thing.

450
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly because mm well look at the real

451
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: estate in a second, we know, Okay. Doctor Rose speaks

452
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: to a number of a number of like Science Communicator

453
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: websites in twenty ten when this paper in specific publishes,

454
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: and he has a quote that explains why so baffled.

455
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: He says the following to Science Daily.

456
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: Speaking with Science Daily and twenty ten, doctor Rose had

457
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: this to say, Where before there had been but a

458
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: handful of scattered hunting camps, suddenly over sixty new archaeological

459
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: sites appear virtually overnight. These settlements boast well built permanent

460
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: stone houses, long distance trade networks, elaborately decorated pottery, domesticated animals,

461
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: and even evidence for one of the oldest boats in

462
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: the world. So typically this is the quote is done.

463
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: These types of sophisticated, super developed settlements have a historical

464
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: track record.

465
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you can see proverbial fingerprints, that milestones that

466
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: mark progress over time. Right, the mechanisms for carrying stuff

467
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: become more advanced, we see better irrigation, and usually usually

468
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: you can see a slow progression. So doctor Rose is saying,

469
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: hang on, why does this I don't know why. I'm

470
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: giving him a catchphrase, hagg on a tick. Why does

471
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: this civilization, this collection of sophisticated sites, Why don't they

472
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: have a backstory? Why did they just pop into the

473
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: historical record out of the blue. I'm a world class archaeologist.

474
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: I know that this is impossible from everything I understand

475
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: about human progress. So there must be evidence for a

476
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: precursor civilization. It's not that it doesn't exist, it's that

477
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: we are, for some reason not looking in the right place.

478
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: Highly logical. So he looks around and then he says,

479
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: what if there is evidence and it's right under our

480
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: noses or right out there under the waves of the

481
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: Persian Gulf, and I'm picturing a moment, you know, where

482
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: he's on some shoreline at a vista. Yeah, and then

483
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: has that light bulb and says, you know to his

484
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: assistant ron, grab me the snorkel boy.

485
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, get ee to a scuba divory.

486
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: Sir, especially considering where he's finding these things, right, And

487
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: you guys correct me a little bit if I'm wrong here.

488
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to visualize on the map where exactly he's

489
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: he's finding stuff and where his colleagues, he and his

490
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: colleagues are finding stuff. And I'm looking at that a

491
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Live Science article from around the same time, and it's

492
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: got a picture here of you know, it's got the

493
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: Gulf of Oman going in the straight up horror moves

494
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: into the Persian Gulf right there, and you can see

495
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: Katar and then you can see all of these different

496
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: sites where this civilization or remnants of a civilization have

497
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: been found. And it is literally it's across this entire area.

498
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: It's in Iran all the way going around. It's in

499
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: what is the what is the rest of this land here?

500
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: Modern day Oman Yemen.

501
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: Cutter, it's all of that stuff.

502
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: It's the southern it's it's the southern part of the

503
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Arabian Peninsula under the Empty Quarter. We're actually part of

504
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: the Empty Quarter at this point.

505
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating just to see how many sites you

506
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: you said sixty, right.

507
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Yes, sixty overall. So if you look at that map

508
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: from Live Science, which does come from doctor Rose's work,

509
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: the numbers on that map indicate what are called find spots.

510
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: Find spots can be more than one settlement or more

511
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: than one site.

512
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, there are areas where water I believe, where water

513
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: or sea levels fell a little bit, right, So it's

514
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: like it's all I don't know, it's just exposing again

515
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: because I always forget when we think about archaeology. You're

516
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: going layers into the earth to find stuff, right, Because

517
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: as that sediment builds up over over the years, over decades,

518
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: sometimes centuries, sometimes longer, you're finding stuff that was there,

519
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: placed there, you know, whoever, by accident or on purpose,

520
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: so long ago.

521
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: You're also a hunting this is one of the coolest things.

522
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm waxing poetic a little bit, but you're also hunting

523
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: the ghost of rivers. You're a hunting ghost of lakes,

524
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: and you're doing that by going out to what we

525
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: the unlearned would simply call a brutal inhospitable desert. And

526
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: then you're going, oh, wait, if I dig down far enough,

527
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: there's gravel here that could have only been formed by

528
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: a river. So we've found the ghost of a river.

529
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: That's so cool, man, dude.

530
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: And once you find that, theoretically you can find remnants

531
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: of people who traveled on that river or lived right

532
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: next to it. That's at least the best case scenario

533
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: that you're hoping for.

534
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, I guess the wildest

535
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: best case scenario is if you dig down far enough

536
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: and you find an active ancient civilization. Oh okay, go, yeah, okay, right,

537
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: I don't think that would'll happen.

538
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: That's like, that's tippy top.

539
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: That's the dream. I think that's asking a lot That's

540
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: like winning the lottery and saying, why haven't I won

541
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 3: the lottery twice? Yeah? Yeah, just say thank you.

542
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: You just hit your chisel one time.

543
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: You just hear Oh okay, I love it, I love it.

544
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll find it, Maybe we'll find that kind of situation.

545
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: But right now, this is already immensely exciting to doctor Rose,

546
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: and it leads his research leads him to that groundbreaking

547
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: paper we mentioned, new light on Human Prehistory in the

548
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Arabo Persian Gulf Oasis. He writes this for Current Anthropology.

549
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: You can read it online by searching for his name

550
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: and the title. He's got a stunning case for this.

551
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: So here we are, doctor Rose is looking out across

552
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: the waters, and he's thinking what if? Speaking of what if?

553
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: What if we take a break for a word from

554
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: our sponsors and then dive into his actual research. Dive in,

555
00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: we must, and we return all right, So, after conducting

556
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: a lot of intense research with his colleagues, to be clear,

557
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: doctor Rose publishes a groundbreaking report in twenty ten. It's

558
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: a paper titled new Light on Human Prehistory in the

559
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 3: Arabo Persian Gulf Oasis. It's published in Current Anthropology, which

560
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: is Anthropology journal. You can read it online by checking

561
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: for his name and the title in your search browser

562
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: of choice. And he just he builds a stunning case

563
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: for his argument. And it all like it all starts

564
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: with the timeline, as we understand, right.

565
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: And that timeline is noted by Rose. The newly discovered

566
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: communities all seem to spring up along this shoreline around

567
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: eight thousand years in the past, and that is just

568
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: when the golf.

569
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: Started getting flooded.

570
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: So describing some of these populations in his work as

571
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: new colonists, he and his colleagues believed that these creators

572
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: of the settlements were what we might call climate refugees

573
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: today and an ongoing issue and one that isn't new.

574
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the waters drove them from their ancestral home and

575
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 3: they migrated to dry land, and they brought their culture

576
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: with them, the lessons their civilization had already learned. So

577
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: again we see the atlantas myth. They don't have hover cars,

578
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: but they know agriculture, right, they know animal husbandry, they

579
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: know how to build structures that.

580
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Last Yep, just my dumb human brain. I have to

581
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: really paint a picture of this stuff in imagining people

582
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: living on lower land that's closer to sea level right

583
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: in this area, and it's more hospitable because of where

584
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: it's located in this region of the world. It makes

585
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: sense that they're living there. That's where there, that's where

586
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: generations of lives have existed in this lower area. As

587
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: that water starts coming in more and more and more,

588
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: it's like somebody along that line of the you know,

589
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: somebody's grandmother grandfather has to say, I think we finally

590
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: have to leave, like it's.

591
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: Time, or I had a vision. Yeah, oh yeah, that's

592
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: the resort to authority. That's how you move crowds of

593
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: people at this point.

594
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: That's it.

595
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: So this I agree with you there. This theory becomes

596
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: more compelling as we continue exploring it. This antidiluvian area,

597
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: the pre flood area, it would have been primo real estate.

598
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: We know a bit about the ecology of the time.

599
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: The Gulf Basin was above water as far back as

600
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand years ago. Doctor Rose, by the way,

601
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: loosely refers to this theory as a Persian gulf oasis.

602
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: And this we cannot emphasize how much better this neighborhood

603
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: is than all of the surrounding stuff. Right. The desert sucks, man,

604
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: The desert is brutal. And I'm sorry to say that

605
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: this is not an expersion to people who live in

606
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: the desert. We're just saying it's a rough place for humans,

607
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: look inhospitable indeed.

608
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, the only reason so many humans

609
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: live in a lot of these areas, right, now we

610
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: have these amazing bustling cities. Is because of the technology

611
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: of cities. It's because of you know, the way we

612
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: can move water around, the way we can make use

613
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: of water and desalinate water and all this other stuff.

614
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also locate like recent underground wells and recesses

615
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: in the desert oaseses or whatever.

616
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: Right, but there's so much civilization around that Persian Gulf now, right,

617
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean if you think of Cutter, it's it's literally

618
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: surrounded by the Persian Gulf waters there, and you only

619
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: through technology can can we live there now in a

620
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: pleasant way? Maybe it's a way to say.

621
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: It, right, I mean, certainly that like Bedouins and like

622
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: nomadic desert folk of the past like figured a lot

623
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: of that out. Yeah, certainly our animals that are adapted

624
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: to that. But it is a brutal and very difficult

625
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: and dangerous way of life, unforgiving.

626
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: But so there's isn't doesn't The tigers euphrates run right

627
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: into the Persian Gulf. So theoretically before all that ocean

628
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: water came in and we're talking where what do you

629
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: refer to it as been the Persian Gulf an oasis? Yes,

630
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: call it an oasis for a reason because theoretically that

631
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: could be fairly fertile land if you've got the river

632
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: running down through there and it's a lower area, so

633
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: plants can actually survive and maybe even thrive in that

634
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: area for a time.

635
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It's fed by it's fed potable water

636
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: from four different rivers, Tigris, Euphrates, Karum, the Wadi Battan,

637
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: and then it's got wells. To that point you'll powered

638
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: by underground springs, the fossil water you would call it.

639
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 3: This place is a green jewel in an otherwise very

640
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 3: rough neighborhood for humanity. So doctor Rose concludes that when

641
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: the Gulf Basin was at its driest it's least flooded,

642
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: there was an exposed land mass for this oasis that

643
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: would have been around the size of Great Britain. That's huge.

644
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: Of course you would live there. You can't walk away

645
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: from that deal. What are you gonna go sit and

646
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: try not to die of dehydration while you look across

647
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: the way and these people in the valley are just

648
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 3: balling out good luck, dude.

649
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: Well, and if you think we think about the fertile

650
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: Crescent right as over there in Egypt along after the

651
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: African northern coast there and going around what's now like

652
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Israel's Lebanon, parts of Syria, and over there in Turkey,

653
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: right at least in my mind, like I think of

654
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: that whole fertile Crescent thing. Maybe I'm wrong, they're home

655
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: them right, But then imagining getting all like if you

656
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: were to traverse those lands that are now modern day

657
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: Iraq and part of Saudi Arabia and Jordan all the

658
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: way over there to find this land like that would

659
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: be almost a I don't know that. I'm just trying

660
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: to imagine if you made it across that land to

661
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: find this oasis.

662
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: That would inspire a religion. Yes, that's absolutely what would happen.

663
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: And not to profiling to humans too much, but that

664
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent the precedent. Nobody at that time

665
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: is going to be saying, here is the scientific explanation

666
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: for the ecological advantages of this area.

667
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: It's just holy crap, Thanks whoever, We really appreciate this

668
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: being here right right.

669
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: This is back at the time where every community's self

670
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: described name for themselves was the real people. So this

671
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: is what God has given us, the real people and

672
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: obviously yeah, and nobody else can move in right. I

673
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: had a dream and God said, you guys are mid

674
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: so okay. Doctor Rose also finds this earlier precedent. This

675
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: is really interesting and the course of his research knew

676
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: like while he is researching new evidence indicates modern Homo

677
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: sapiens could have been in this area, especially in the

678
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: Southern era peninsula. They could have been in there even

679
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: before the Persian oasis was above water, which means that

680
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: ancient people in modern day Yemen and Oman could have

681
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: made it off of the African continent one hundred thousand

682
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: years ago. The current theory says that the first successful

683
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: migration of that sort occurred between fifty to seventy thousand

684
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: years ago, So this is a huge shift in the

685
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: timeline and the story of humanity. People probably found refuge

686
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: in this oasis in waves of migration multiple points throughout history.

687
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: To me, this is so fascinating because humans in some

688
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: ways are like water, not in just the ways you know,

689
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: the weird taught to be like water by ours not

690
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: to mention.

691
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: That some certain percentage of our literal bodies are made

692
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: up of water.

693
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: Yes, but brutally aside and you know, contents of our body.

694
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: Aside humans, we have found a lot like water, just

695
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: need time for stuff, which is why this concept of you,

696
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: if you add fifty thousand years to the timeline of humanity,

697
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: what types of things can humans come up with in

698
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: that fifty thousand years?

699
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: Right?

700
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: Really great points and just like how much innovation can

701
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: you can you get in a really fast amount of time?

702
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: So you know you I think that's why it's so boggling.

703
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes, especially if the early communities are not confronted with

704
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: existential threats but environmental prods, right, parrots and sticks. You know,

705
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: that's what drives technology because if human population is in

706
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: an ideal environment with no with no pressures endangering them

707
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: or forcing innovation, then they might just you know, keep

708
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: hunting and gathering.

709
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: Just hang out, do that thing for a while because

710
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: it's working. It is good.

711
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: Don't fix it. It's not broken, you know what I mean?

712
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Why do we need to why do we need to

713
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: farm animals? Dude? Just wait for the mammoth to run

714
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: by and kill it.

715
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, until a group of people riding mammoths come

716
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: over the hillside and you're like, uh oh.

717
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: That's another environmental pressure. Different from giant clubs made of bone.

718
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: Humanity is often the main problem to the solutions that creates.

719
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: This is where we get This is where we get

720
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: even more out there. And this is from doctor Rose.

721
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: Doctor Rose also sees concurrent research proving that there were

722
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: Neanderthal populations in the upper parts of the Tigris and

723
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: Euphrates rivers. This means that this oasis area may have

724
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: been the contact zone between modern Homo sapiens and Neanderthals. Again,

725
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: our bad. Neanderthals are bad. Well, we ate a lot

726
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 3: of you killed you. We did our best.

727
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: But to be fair, you were doing it. You're eating

728
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: as many of you as you're eating us too, So

729
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: you know that's true.

730
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: That is true.

731
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: Man.

732
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's not make we're turning this into

733
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: a non apology. Neanderthals. We're sorry you feel an apology

734
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: is necessariy geez. But uh but that that is a

735
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: fascinating Vinn diagram, right, And you can maybe see some

736
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: of the legacy here if you did a region wide

737
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: DNA test to see the percentage of Neanderthal DNA, right,

738
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: if any is present. But now you notice, folks, we

739
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: are talking about we're talking about this area in the

740
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: past tense, and doctor Rose does the same in all

741
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: of his research. Because the civilization fell, the Indian Ocean

742
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: way before it was called the Indian Ocean expanded inland,

743
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: it drowns the oasis. It forces these well established, multi

744
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: generational communities to seek safer ground. I still am not

745
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: clear on the timeline here. I don't think we know

746
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: whether it was a gradual process, you know, like rising

747
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: shorelines today and it just got a little bit tougher

748
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: with each generation, or whether some areas experience something more

749
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 3: similar to a biblical flood.

750
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean and again going away from the

751
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: rain flood, the forty days of rain flood into a

752
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: oh crap, the ocean is like moving towards us because

753
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: something broke right, some piece of land fell away, and

754
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: now the ocean is just making its way to us

755
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: right now. And that to me, I don't know. You know,

756
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: as you said, if you look through the paper, you

757
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: look through the writing about the paper, there's not a

758
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: lot of evidence to show one way or the other.

759
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: But it does seem, it does seem to me like

760
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: it was an apocalyptic moment.

761
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think we all tend to think or

762
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: process in those terms, because when I close my eyes,

763
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: I immediately imagine just this tsunami running up on an

764
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 3: unsuspecting community. It's like the ocean saying, oh, you thought

765
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: it was sweet, you know what I mean?

766
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because the other way, you imagine it, or

767
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: at least in my head, and I may be fully

768
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: uninformed in this, but you imagine whatever is, you know,

769
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: whatever civilization has grown on that peninsula, if it's there,

770
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: gradually expands out because the water's coming in. So we're

771
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: moving what we've got already, and you know, the stuff

772
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: we're working without just a little bit further along those lines.

773
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: And we kind of see that right with the way

774
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: those archaeological sites are spread out and just all around

775
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: that area. But at the same time, it's I don't know,

776
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: it feels like you you have to leave everything behind

777
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: situation more than a let's begin to move.

778
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. And we also know that the water

779
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: level has risen and fallen over this vast wath of time.

780
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: It's fascinating because for a lot of reasons, it's obvious

781
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 3: doctor Rose is onto something, and other colleagues in the

782
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: field agree that this is an excellent theory. But if

783
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: it were a civilization that would say, at Point Nemo

784
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: in the modern day, the most distant point from land

785
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: out there in the Pacific Ocean, then it would be

786
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: pretty much impossible to discover material evidence of an ancient civilization.

787
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: But the gulf is so shallow, right, Send the snorkel

788
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: boy and figure out what's going on, right, we just

789
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: need funding for the snorkel boy.

790
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: Just three hundred feet though, come on, that's a long

791
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: snorkel but like a diving bell situation, like one of

792
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 5: those old giant like astronautic diving house.

793
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, theoretically three hundred feet is the

794
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: maximum depth right of the golf, so this peninsula is

795
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: going to be quite a bit higher than that. So

796
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: you're not wrong. The snorkel boy would actually fare a

797
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: little better than I imagined just a moment ago.

798
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: Well better than if you were diving you know, into

799
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: the Marianna's trench orthah, yeah, yeah, he wouldn't make it there. Yeah,

800
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: So this would be an amazing time for research. It

801
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: still is. But this issue is not the water. The

802
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: issue is not the physical demands of the golf. The

803
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: issue is the humans around the Gulf. It is a

804
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: hotspot for geopolitical tension. That's why we mentioned this at

805
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: the top of the episode. It can be extremely dangerous

806
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: for research to work in the area. Yes, including Iranian researchers.

807
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: There's often a series of challenging logistics and legal issues involved.

808
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: But still, if humanity could just get past that, it

809
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: would be on the cusp of astonishing discoveries, things that

810
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 3: could reshape our understanding not just of the ancient world

811
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: on that peninsula, but society's understanding of the Grand Capital

812
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: letters human story overall. You know what I mean, This

813
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: is a big deal. If we could stop killing each other.

814
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, yeah, man, it is amazing, guys. I in

815
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: reading these articles, it does seem as though there needs

816
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: to be some kind of actual underwater archaeology, right, yeah,

817
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: that needs to happen here. And this was twenty ten

818
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: when it was put out, so we've got about fifteen years.

819
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: When I was looking, I want to ask y'all, I

820
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: couldn't find a bunch of new writing, a bunch of

821
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: new updates, or any real updates on some of these sites,

822
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: or even on doctor Rose's work, So like, do we

823
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: know where we are?

824
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's tough because doctor rose is I like the

825
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: word polymath for it. His research extends far beyond this

826
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: particular line of inquiry. He's kind of laying the groundwork,

827
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: and then he's looking into other traditions. If you go

828
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: on Google scholar, it's always a great way to find

829
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: people's people's research, you'll see that he's been publishing in

830
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: the area as recently as twenty nineteen. I'm sure he

831
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 3: has other stuff coming out, but he's looking at the

832
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: first peoples of Oman Paleolithic archaeology. He is. He is

833
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: into a lot of stuff. So we don't have full

834
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: published updates to this question in particular, but I believe,

835
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: strongly hope that those updates are on the way. It

836
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: may just be a matter of funding, It may be

837
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: a matter of negotiating between hostile world powers. It's easy

838
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: for the public to shrug and say, okay, guys, this

839
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: stuff is neat, I guess, but shouldn't we spend the

840
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: money on modern problems. We have a lot of those already,

841
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, why are you worried

842
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: about ancient water? Let's make sure current water is drinkable.

843
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but we have learned right that looking back

844
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: at the way humans dealt with problems is one of

845
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: the best ways to see how to move forward sometimes

846
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: or at least how to not move forward in a

847
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: couple of particular ways.

848
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

849
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: And Oman, I'm just looking at the map again. Oman's

850
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: just right at the kind of a tip right there,

851
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: straight over removes and then just to the east, so

852
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: that is Oman Gulf mom On right there on the

853
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: other side. So that's fascinating. He's still there doing research.

854
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: I just want to learn more.

855
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to learn more, and we can't wait

856
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: to hear from you. Because the answer about dismissing the

857
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: past there's validity to acknowledging modern problems, but also misses

858
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: the point. This is some of the most crucial research

859
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: humans can conduct. Learning about the past doesn't just teach

860
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: you about the past. It reframes your understanding in the present,

861
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: and every so often it gives us a glimpse into

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Speaker 3: the future. So I think we unanimously agree, keep on

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Speaker 3: keeping on. We want to hear your stories of other

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Speaker 3: lost civilizations. We just get so excited when we find

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Speaker 3: a real one. And this, by all accounts, appears to

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Speaker 3: be the genuine article. The real McCoy, So tell us

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Speaker 3: where people should look next. You can find us online,

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Speaker 3: You can find us on email, you can give us

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Speaker 3: a call on.

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Speaker 4: The phone, and indeed find us in all those places online.

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Speaker 4: We exist at the handle conspiracy stuff on Facebook.

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Speaker 3: With our Facebook group here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 4: On x FKA, Twitter, and on YouTube video content color

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Speaker 4: for your peruising enjoyment.

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Speaker 3: On Instagram and TikTok, however, where conspiracy stuff show and

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Speaker 3: there's more.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a phone number. It is one eight

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Speaker 2: three three st d WYTK. When you call in, you'll

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Speaker 2: find yourself within a three minute voicemail. Please give yourself

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Speaker 2: if we can use our name and message on the air,

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to instead send us an email.

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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