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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do Trump a retreating somewhat at least in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Big developments there that we will break down for you.

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Speaker 2: We also have Kyle Cheney. He is a political analyst

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Speaker 2: that are pending as well, so he'll break that down

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Speaker 2: for us. But also got a little bit of Trump

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Speaker 2: health speculation. A great moment for him in a recent interviews,

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Speaker 2: so some troubling signs there. TikTok going full censorship, although

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Speaker 2: regard to the Gaza Board of Peace and what the

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Speaker 1: will get there. But yes, Chrystal, why don't we go

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, Greg Bavino has been the aggressive face of

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Speaker 2: This news broke yesterday. The Vino is being removed from

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Speaker 2: for Politico. If you look at the entire immigration operation

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Speaker 1: Good to see Kyle. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: So, a lot of legal developments happening now with respect

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Speaker 1: to Minneapolis and Minnesota. Let's go and put this first

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Speaker 1: tear sheet up here on the screen. Trump and Bondie

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Speaker 1: statements fuel the legal case against a Minnesota surge. At

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Speaker 1: hearing Monday, a judge focused on the letter of the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, said, can you give us an update here

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Speaker 1: on the legal arguments in the case, as there's a

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Speaker 1: new effort by Minnesota Minnesota authorities to stop the ICE

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Speaker 1: operations in their state.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the most significant and maybe the most

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Speaker 6: extreme legal effort we're seeing, which is to basically by

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Speaker 6: the state government to say we want to end Operation

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Speaker 6: Metro Surge altogether. That's just you know, you can't not

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Speaker 6: entirely kick ICE out of the state, but kick this

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Speaker 6: stepped up operation out. And what that means and how

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Speaker 6: that works in a legal and constitutional sense is really

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Speaker 6: complicated in kind of New territory. And but what you

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Speaker 6: saw there, what you flagged, is that the judge who

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Speaker 6: is considering this was kind of alarmed that, you know,

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Speaker 6: you have this letter from Pam Bondi that says, you

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Speaker 6: want ICE, you want the surge to end, do these

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Speaker 6: three things that she lays out three policy demands, including

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Speaker 6: the things like, you know, giving us your snap data,

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Speaker 6: giving us your voter role information, things that have nothing

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Speaker 6: to do with the immigration problem that that the administration

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Speaker 6: is purporting to resolve here and so the judges thing,

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Speaker 6: you're kind of making it explicit that this surge maybe

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Speaker 6: about coercing policy, which that's a lot a red line

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Speaker 6: you can't cross.

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Speaker 5: And so that's where the legal, you know, the legal

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Speaker 5: fight is.

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Speaker 6: And I think the real issue is if the judge

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Speaker 6: decides that it is illegal, what can she actually do

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Speaker 6: about it? As a single district judge say oh, the

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Speaker 6: administration can't you know, enforce immigration law. Well, that's that's

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Speaker 6: kind of an easier thing to say out loud that

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Speaker 6: to actually do in practice.

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Speaker 5: And what's the line. So that's it's very complicated.

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Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And so from your reporting, it seems like the two

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Speaker 2: things that really gave the state something to work with

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Speaker 2: here was that letter from Pambondi and also Trump posting that,

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Speaker 2: you know, retribution was coming to Minnesota or to Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: and so that gave them more of a case to

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Speaker 2: work with. And you also mentioned that this kind of

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Speaker 2: harkens back to some of the Obamacare rulings where a

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Speaker 2: part of it, the medicaid expansion piece, the mandatory medicaid

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Speaker 2: expansion piece, was struck down under the same theory that

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Speaker 2: you're basically compelling states, you're using threats of pulling funding

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Speaker 2: and compelling states to push forward policy. So could you

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Speaker 2: lay that a little bit that connection there, and you

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Speaker 2: know how strong you think the state's case is at

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Speaker 2: this point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I started at Politico fourteen years ago to cover

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Speaker 6: that exact case and moment.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it you know, that's that's.

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Speaker 6: Sort of the centerpiece here is that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: rule very clearly that the federal government cannot use the

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Speaker 6: sort of cudgel of funding, pulling funding to force states

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Speaker 6: to adopt policies that those states don't want to adopt.

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Speaker 6: And so now the federal government does have a role

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Speaker 6: when sort of you know, incentivizing things that it prefers,

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Speaker 6: policies it prefers, but it can't you know, if the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court says you can't use funding as a cudgel,

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Speaker 6: what the state is saying is you definitely can't use

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Speaker 6: like a militarized force of federal agents and you know,

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Speaker 6: wreaking havoc on the streets to cause the same result.

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Speaker 6: That's that's worse. That's much further over the line than

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Speaker 6: a funding threat in the state's view. And so you know, again,

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Speaker 6: if the judge decides, yeah, I agree with you. Then

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Speaker 6: the question is how do you what's the remedy? And

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Speaker 6: that's a bigger problem. But I think that's where you know,

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Speaker 6: the judge is at least deciding now does she agree

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Speaker 6: with the state's view on that?

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Speaker 1: Got it? Can we put the next one? I just

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Speaker 1: say you at Mac on the screen. Kyle, you were

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Speaker 1: reporting this morning that the judge, the chief federal job

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, has ordered the head of ICE to appeal

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Speaker 1: personally in court Friday and threatened him with contempt and

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Speaker 1: for the agency's repeated violation of court orders. The courtse patience?

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Speaker 1: Is it at an end?

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Speaker 5: Kyle?

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Speaker 1: Can you just break that down for us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is sort of a big moment. You know,

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Speaker 6: Judge Scheltz, he's the he's the chief judge, George W.

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Speaker 6: Bush appointed judge and has already had this clash with

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Speaker 6: the administration over this attempt to arrest Don Lemon and

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Speaker 6: the church protesters and uh, you know, so he's clearly

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Speaker 6: at a boiling point with the administration already over the

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Speaker 6: over this. But what he's saying is we've our courts

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Speaker 6: have been inundate, We've been flooded with these immigration cases,

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Speaker 6: emergency petitions people who've been arrested by ICE during this surge,

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Speaker 6: and we're finding over and over again that their arrests

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Speaker 6: and detentions have been illegal, using a sort of new

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Speaker 6: interpretation of the law the administration has adopted in recent months.

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Speaker 6: And and what he's saying here is we keep ordering

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Speaker 6: you to release people and.

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Speaker 5: You're not doing it.

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Speaker 6: We're getting emergency secondary petition saying you haven't released this

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Speaker 6: person or you shipped them to Texas despite our orders

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Speaker 6: saying keep them here in Minnesota, and we're we've we've

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Speaker 6: reached That's that's sort of the the tipping point now

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Speaker 6: is it's happened so many times, and our courts are

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Speaker 6: flooded with these cases right now.

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Speaker 5: And so he's.

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Speaker 6: Ordering, you know, Todd Lines, head of ICE, to come

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Speaker 6: in directly personally in court and saying, if you you

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Speaker 6: know you answer, can't answer questions to my satisfaction, I

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Speaker 6: might hold you in contempt. And that's sort of the

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Speaker 6: I guess the most confrontational we've seen.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're I guess, really anywhere.

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Speaker 6: These petitions are flooding, the flooding the courts all over

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Speaker 6: the country, but they're particularly acute in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: But now because of the surge, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, what does that mean to like, what does it

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Speaker 2: precisely mean if they did hold him in contemp because

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Speaker 2: we've also seen, you know, during the kelmar Brego Garcia situated,

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Speaker 2: during the Seacott situation, there was the possibility of the

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Speaker 2: various government officials being held in contempt. We had in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: Greg Bavino specifically was called out for any number of lies.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is incredibly systematic. So do you think

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Speaker 2: it even if this guy is held into in contempt,

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Speaker 2: do you think that would make a difference to them?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that would change their behavior? Is it

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Speaker 2: any sort of severe penalty.

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Speaker 5: It's a great question.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the judge can sort of decide penalty, you know,

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Speaker 6: and then that can include they. You know, again, I

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Speaker 6: don't think I don't think that happens on the spot.

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Speaker 6: And I think you're to your point. You know, there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of frustration out there that that you know,

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Speaker 6: judges are keep saying our orders are being violated, we

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Speaker 6: need to have accountability here, and that accountability takes forever

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Speaker 6: and it and then it usually fizzled in some way,

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Speaker 6: or you know, in the case of the Alien Enemies

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Speaker 6: Act that you mentioned, the Seacott situation, the appeals Court

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Speaker 6: stops Judge Bozberg from continuing his contempt proceedings, and you know,

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Speaker 6: for months, and then when they allowed him to continue it,

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Speaker 6: he started again, he started down the path again, and

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Speaker 6: they stopped him again. And so it does feel like

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Speaker 6: there is it's it's a sort of imperfect and clunky

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Speaker 6: method because it never it almost never gets used against

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Speaker 6: federal government officials.

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Speaker 5: That it's sort of there as a as a last

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Speaker 5: resort for the courts.

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Speaker 6: But you know, we've never seen administration taken take things

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Speaker 6: so far that that it the courts are actually saying,

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Speaker 6: we need to actually utilize this rarely used tool, and

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Speaker 6: now they're seeing all the sort of rust or the

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Speaker 6: challenges with actually making that happen. But they can make

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Speaker 6: things very uncomfortable, at least for the administration by hauling

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Speaker 6: people in again.

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Speaker 5: The threat is a pretty big deal on its own.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, if the judge is motivated, he can say

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Speaker 6: and then unless some higher court stops him, he can say,

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Speaker 6: you know, yeah we can you know whether it again.

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Speaker 6: The punishment is tricky. You can't can you throw someone

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Speaker 6: in jail? Can you find them as a new government official.

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Speaker 6: It's you know, they have to cross that bridge when

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Speaker 6: gets there, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that systematic nature of what you're talking about

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Speaker 2: is something that you have been tracking. Is what I

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Speaker 2: just had up on the screen. You said you've tracked

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Speaker 2: at least twenty three hundred cases in which federal judges

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Speaker 2: have ruled ICE has illegally detained people without bond or

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Speaker 2: due process, and then you flag one there specifically, I mean,

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Speaker 2: take us through the details of when you say there,

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Speaker 2: you know these individuals have been detained without bond or

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Speaker 2: due process, that this has been done illegally. Just walk

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Speaker 2: us through what that means and what this looks like

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Speaker 2: for these individuals.

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Speaker 6: So it's really comm and it's something that but it

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Speaker 6: traces back to a very specific moment, which is that

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Speaker 6: in July, Director Allions we just talked about, adopted a

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Speaker 6: new interpretation of old immigration laws to things that date

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Speaker 6: back to the mid nineties, in which case, you know,

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Speaker 6: it used to be that when the federal government would

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Speaker 6: encounter someone at the border, they could quickly put them

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Speaker 6: into deportation proceedings and hold them in detention and essentially

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Speaker 6: lock them up while those proceedings were pending. What the

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Speaker 6: Trump administration has done is reinterpret that to say anyone

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Speaker 6: we encounter anywhere in the country, essentially, even people who

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Speaker 6: have been here for decades, we actually not only can

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Speaker 6: we lock them up, we must lock them up under

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Speaker 6: our new interpretation of the laws mandatory, and they don't

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Speaker 6: get a chance for bond at all.

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Speaker 5: And the courts across the country writ large have reacted sort.

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Speaker 6: Of with horror at this because they're, you know, they're

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Speaker 6: starting to get all these people filing emergency petitions saying

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Speaker 6: I've been I've lived here for thirty years, no criminal record,

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Speaker 6: a job, a community, my kids are citizens, I've done

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Speaker 6: nothing wrong, and i'd I went in to my ice

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Speaker 6: check in that I do, you know, a few times

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Speaker 6: a year, and they arrested me. And judges are saying

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Speaker 6: that's and they and they're not only are they arresting me,

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Speaker 6: they're saying, I can't even ask for bond. I can't

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Speaker 6: even go to court and show show an immigration judge.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a danger to the community.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not.

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Speaker 6: A flight risk, which is normally what the opportunity you have.

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Speaker 6: They're just saying I'm held indefinitely and so the judges.

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Speaker 6: So the twenty three hundred number you mentioned is how

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Speaker 6: many cases I've been tracking, you know, all over the

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Speaker 6: Country's that's cases where there have been rulings agreeing that

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Speaker 6: the detention was illegal, these people should either be released

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Speaker 6: immediately or get a bond hearing at a minimum, And

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Speaker 6: there's thousands more that are pending. And again, Minnesota has

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Speaker 6: becomes sort of the hotbed of these. We're seeing dozens

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Speaker 6: filed every day of these cases and rulings again finding

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Speaker 6: them illegal, these detentions. But it is really a national story.

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Speaker 1: Kyle, I do want to ask about this chances of

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Speaker 1: that lawsuit on Minnesota that we began with and then

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Speaker 1: also we began our show kind of talking about Trump

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Speaker 1: backing off, you know, at least in Minnesota rhetorically at

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Speaker 1: a legal level. What are the things you look for

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Speaker 1: to back that up to see a change in posture

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Speaker 1: under Donald Trump, Like what should we all keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on.

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Speaker 5: Well, what was.

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Speaker 6: Interesting was Trump seemed to start backing off in the

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Speaker 6: middle of that hearing. So we're hearing the government that argue,

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Speaker 6: you know, the state officials are being you know, recalcitrant,

650
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Speaker 6: they're not helping us on immigration policy. And in the

651
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Speaker 6: middle of that hearing you have Trump saying, well, I

652
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Speaker 6: just talked to Governor Walls. We're on the same page.

653
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Speaker 6: Now everything's getting better, how Home.

654
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Speaker 5: Is going out. And so that didn't come up in court.

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Speaker 6: I was curious if someone was going to go read

656
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Speaker 6: it out loud for the judge, right, But I suspect that,

657
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Speaker 6: you know, if that's true, and if the if Operation

658
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Speaker 6: Metro Surge sort of recedes, you know, you know, now

659
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Speaker 6: if they start pulling back, it may moot all of

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Speaker 6: these legal cases. You know, and in some cases, in

661
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Speaker 6: some senses, what everybody wants is, rather than get a

662
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Speaker 6: ruling that might create bad law for one side or

663
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Speaker 6: the other, let's pull back from the brink and end

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Speaker 6: this in a way that doesn't force in court.

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Speaker 5: So it depends on.

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Speaker 2: The judge would be paying attention to those developments as

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Speaker 2: well and considering that as she deliberates here.

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Speaker 6: So she's not supposed to consider things that happen outside

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Speaker 6: of the record in court, So someone will have to

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Speaker 6: bring it to her and say, hey, this changes things.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's but judges are people and they see

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Speaker 6: these things in the news that she might ask them say, hey,

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Speaker 6: does this Does this change my equation for me? She

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Speaker 6: does seem a little hesitant about weighing into this new

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Speaker 6: terrain of did she chose for.

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Speaker 2: More information or something from the government.

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Speaker 6: She wanted to know how many agents were on the ground,

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Speaker 6: and they told her about three thousand and she is

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Speaker 6: but she's very reluctant to say, I, the district judge

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Speaker 6: can tell the federal government how to enforce immigration law.

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Speaker 5: What's too much? How many agents is too many?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: Should I be the person telling them that? I don't know?

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Speaker 5: So she seems so.

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Speaker 6: I think if there's a way for her to say,

686
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Speaker 6: well it's over, it's moot, I think that might be

687
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Speaker 6: her preferred outcome.

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Speaker 5: But it depends on how true the rhetoric really is.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that that seems to make sense. And then importantly,

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Speaker 1: you know, you were talking there what one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we have seen in previous cases is judges

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Speaker 1: order let's say, ice or any of that on specific tactics.

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Speaker 1: I saw that the administration had just won a case

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Speaker 1: regarding tactics and protesters. I'm still very a bit unclear

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Speaker 1: on how that works. So wondering if you could explain that.

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Speaker 6: So the same judge Cape Capeman end as the one

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Speaker 6: who is considering the entire the big pieces. She also

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Speaker 6: ruled that certain ice tactics that it had used against demonstrators,

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Speaker 6: you know, retaliatory tactics. Essentially, she barred them from doing that.

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Speaker 6: So it's how they deploy chemical munitions, how they can

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Speaker 6: draw their service weapons, how they can when they can

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Speaker 6: arrest motorists who aren't breaking any laws but maybe trailing

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Speaker 6: ice vehicles. And so her ruling on that was held

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Speaker 6: was previously held up by the Eighth Circuit Court of

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Speaker 6: Appeals when the administration went went went above her.

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Speaker 5: But then they ruled a second was it.

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Speaker 6: They issued a second ruling yesterday that just said, you know,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna stick by that. We're not gonna after the

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Speaker 6: shooting of Alex pretty that they state or excuse me.

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Speaker 6: The protesters went back to court and said, hey, maybe

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Speaker 6: you could let this judges order take effect now, and

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Speaker 6: the A Circuit still said no, we're going to keep

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Speaker 6: it on hold.

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Speaker 5: In a eye.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: One more thing for you here, there was some leaked

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Speaker 2: video from a detention facility in Baltimore. So Brian Allen

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Speaker 2: here says Baltimore media has reported isis keeping detainees here

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Speaker 2: for days, even though these cells are supposed to be

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Speaker 2: short term processing only. You can see, you know, migrants

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Speaker 2: who are crowded in no beds, just those silver like

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Speaker 2: you know, mass distributed blankets and so very miserable conditions.

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Speaker 2: We've heard about miserable conditions in these facilities as well.

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Speaker 2: So put that in context here to forrest Kyle, because

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Speaker 2: I think this also speaks to the sort of systematic

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Speaker 2: nature of the approach here where it's not you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not a few bad apples, it's not you know,

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Speaker 2: just in Minneapolis, there is across the board a very

729
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Speaker 2: aggressive and I would say inhumane approach that flouts the

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Speaker 2: existing law.

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Speaker 6: Well, it sort of tells you why some of these

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Speaker 6: detention cases I mentioned are so conscious shocking is when

733
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Speaker 6: you're pulling people who have been living here for thirty years,

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Speaker 6: doing everything the way they're supposed to and litigating their

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Speaker 6: immigration cases in court. Then they're being scooped up and

736
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Speaker 6: thrown into a facility like this, you know, in the

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Speaker 6: overcrowded facilities, and there have been legal cases against facility,

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Speaker 6: you know, detention facilities and the conditions is a big

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Speaker 6: one in New York where the judge just led into

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Speaker 6: the administration about these unconstitutional violations of people's you know,

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Speaker 6: and just inhumane violations, and so they have popped.

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Speaker 5: Up around the country.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that it's just part of, you know,

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Speaker 6: this larger landscape of you know, the real I guess

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Speaker 6: there the horror, the horrors that we're seeing some of

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Speaker 6: in some.

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Speaker 1: Of these cases.

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Speaker 6: And I think that, you know, that's one of the

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Speaker 6: things that Judge Schiltz was so frustrated about, is you're

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Speaker 6: inundating us, and but not only that, you're defying our

751
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Speaker 6: orders in ways that keep these people locked up beyond

752
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Speaker 6: when they're legally supposed to be. We've telling you to

753
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Speaker 6: release them and you're not, and they're stuck in these

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Speaker 6: kinds of facilities. And also, actually I should mention members

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Speaker 6: of Congress have been trying to get access to these

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Speaker 6: facilities to see exactly what you just showed in that video,

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Speaker 6: and they've been blocked repeatedly. They're supposed to be able

758
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Speaker 6: to visit without any advanced notice, so they can see

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Speaker 6: the conditions as they are and Ice and DHS has

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Speaker 6: blocked that, and that's a kind of a fight that's

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Speaker 6: proceeding in court right now, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It was just one last question for you, Kyle, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean I look at this, and I'm a lay person.

764
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Speaker 2: In terms of the law, I see you're tracking twenty

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Speaker 2: three hundred cases where they've violated the law. This memmo

766
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Speaker 2: life that says, you know, oh, we don't we can

767
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Speaker 2: just violate your Fourth Amendment rights. It's fine, we don't

768
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Speaker 2: need a warrant like all of this, you know, hundreds

769
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Speaker 2: of years of precedent saying no, you need a judge

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Speaker 2: to sign off before you bust into some violently bust

771
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Speaker 2: into someone's house. We're just throwing that out, Like what

772
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Speaker 2: is the check for that, what is the remedy for that?

773
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Speaker 2: Or can they just do it? And you know, case

774
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Speaker 2: by case gets litigated and then they just ignore the

775
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Speaker 2: judges ruling, Like how does this get rained in? Is

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Speaker 2: the is the court system capable in a sense of

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Speaker 2: really checking this administration when they are very determined to

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Speaker 2: make their own rules.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you've hit on I think the larger, the

780
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Speaker 6: sort of meta question of this entire administration, which is

781
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Speaker 6: that they have taken a tactic not just an immigration context,

782
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Speaker 6: but in every context of We're going to plow through

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Speaker 6: the boundary the limits that previous presidents sort of self

784
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Speaker 6: imposed or believed applied to them, and dare the courts

785
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Speaker 6: to stop us? And where they can, where the court's

786
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 6: push back, they have and the administration either continues pushing

787
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Speaker 6: forward again in the immigration context that you mentioned, or

788
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Speaker 6: in some cases they've been restrained, you know, especially the

789
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Speaker 6: administration has make clear at least for now, that the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court is where they put all their eggs. If

791
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Speaker 6: if if it's Freme Court says no, I guess they

792
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Speaker 6: will reluctantly, you know, accept to feed on something.

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Speaker 5: But for now it's there.

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Speaker 6: They're they're they're testing the lines with with with district

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Speaker 6: courts and even appeals courts. And as you said, at

796
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Speaker 6: some point an administration just has to faithfully uphold and

797
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Speaker 6: execute the laws. You know, there isn't really a check

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Speaker 6: for that beyond politics. And if you have a problem

799
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Speaker 6: with that, the way to resolve that is with with elections.

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Speaker 6: And that's kind of what Judgment Endez said yesterday, is

801
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Speaker 6: there are other checks beyond me for an administration that

802
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Speaker 6: you think is considering flagrant lawlessness. It's not just me

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Speaker 6: here in my just my little courtroom saying stop doing that.

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Speaker 6: There's bigger things that have to happen, other branches of

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Speaker 6: government that need to step in.

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Speaker 1: M m yeah, kind of calling out Congress.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Kyle, thank you so much for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Kyle. And I know you've been busy

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Speaker 2: and your uh your Twitter feed has been invaluable along

812
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Speaker 2: with your reportings. Give him a follow. Thank you so

813
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Speaker 2: much for joining us, Kyle.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, It's time now to turn to Donald Trump's health,

816
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Speaker 1: an issue which was raised a bit at Davos, but

817
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Speaker 1: has burst back onto the scene after he sat down

818
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Speaker 1: for an extraordinary interview with New York Magazine trying to

819
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Speaker 1: defend his health, which gave some quotes which are truly unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you who missed it, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the president's health after these

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Speaker 1: images from Davos were released. Let's go and put this

823
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Speaker 1: up here on the screen where we saw a large

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Speaker 1: bruise on his hand, a bruise which appeared to kind

825
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Speaker 1: of come out of nowhere, because the previous day it

826
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Speaker 1: hadn't happened. Trump had given a response actually that the

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Speaker 1: bruise itself was a result of aspirin. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are watching, like you could

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Speaker 1: see here, this is pretty serious bruise, he said, He

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Speaker 1: bumped it on a table.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and point out that bruise was roughly

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Speaker 2: shaped like Greenland. Did you see that?

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: The comparison? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, all right, just like when people would see

836
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Speaker 1: like Jesus in a birth walker and a pancake.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead then and play Higgs explanation. A freezing

839
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Speaker 1: on your hand?

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Speaker 4: Are you okay? Very good? I clipped it on the table,

841
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Speaker 4: so I put a little uh what do they call

842
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Speaker 4: me cream on it, but I clipped it. I would say,

843
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Speaker 4: take asper it if you like your heart, but don't

844
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Speaker 4: take aspirin if you don't want to have a little bruising.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you take the big I take the

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Speaker 4: big asthma. And when you take the big aspen, they

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Speaker 4: tell you your bruise. The doctor said, you don't have

848
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Speaker 4: to take that, sir, you're very healthy. I said, I'm

849
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Speaker 4: not taking to the chances so that that's one of

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Speaker 4: the side effects of taking espin.

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Speaker 1: So it's all the big aspir I still am unclear

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Speaker 1: as to what the big aspirin is. Doesn't sound great

853
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Speaker 1: for your gut microbiome, but that's just me. It might

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Speaker 1: be something a little worried about.

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Speaker 5: I guess it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Would not, would not approve.

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Speaker 1: Not r your approved. I can tell you that the nsaides,

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Speaker 1: but that big aspirin NSAIDs that's a lot of aspirin.

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Speaker 1: But I guess it doesn't matter when you're eating a

860
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Speaker 1: bunch of big max and burgers. However, Look, that was

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Speaker 1: just more of a lead into this where I had

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Speaker 1: to get this in the show. Let's put this up

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Speaker 1: here on the screen. New York Magazine gets it an

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Speaker 1: Oval office sit down because they decided they wanted to

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Speaker 1: write about Trump's health. So we got a couple quotes

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to say for all of you, the

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Speaker 1: superhuman president a good faith attempt to ascertuning the truth

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump's health. Quote. When the President rests his eyes,

869
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Speaker 1: Levitt chimed in, he's actively listening. His energy levels are

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Speaker 1: so good that even elite members of the military cannot

871
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Speaker 1: keep up with his work schedule.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 1: The Marine sentries who stand outside of the Oval office.

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Speaker 1: They had to request more staff and bring up more

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Speaker 1: marines because the president is in the Oval office so much.

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Speaker 1: They've never had to do that before. They had to

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Speaker 1: request more guys to stand by the door because they

878
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: are running out of men to fill the shifts.

879
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 5: Quote.

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00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: He's working harder now than he did in his entire life,

881
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: even in real estate when he was on the top

882
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: of the world in New York. But here's the question,

883
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Speaker 1: because he's working harder now than he did in his

884
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Speaker 1: first term, because he would hope that he'd work just

885
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Speaker 1: as hard in his first term. However, those are not

886
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: the craziest actually moments from this interview. Let's go to

887
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: the next one, shall we My personal favorite Here, he

888
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: is asked at one point he's talking about his father.

889
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: His father apparently had Alzheimer's'm gonna read this directly.

890
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: Quote.

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00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: He had one problem. Trump said, at a certain age,

892
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Speaker 1: about eighty six eighty seven, he started getting what do

893
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: you call it? He pointed to his forehead, looked at

894
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Speaker 1: the Press secretary for the word that escaped him Alzheimer's

895
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: Levitt said, like an Alzheimer's thing. Trump said, well, I

896
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Speaker 1: don't have it, okay, not the best, not exactly the

897
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Speaker 1: interaction I would want when we're talking about Alzheimer's. Just

898
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Speaker 1: me in order to disprove some memory. And then finally,

899
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: this is so funny. At one point, Trump drags in

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Speaker 1: the White House doctor and or sorry the presser to

901
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: drags in the White House.

902
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 2: Doctor.

903
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Levitt says to the doctor, you worked for the Obamas,

904
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Speaker 1: didn't you. He says, yes, I did. Jones had, in

905
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Speaker 1: fact worked from two thousand and nine twenty eighteen as

906
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Speaker 1: a senior medical leader in the White House. At the

907
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Speaker 1: end of his presidency, Barack Obama, a fitness fanatic, rumored

908
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: to allow himself seven almonds a night, was fifty five.

909
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: Who is healthier, Obama or Trump?

910
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: I asked.

911
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Trump stared across the desk, making icont with the Jones.

912
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Jones did not hesitate President Trump, he said. Trump nodded.

913
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: There was no sign of a smile, as if there

914
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: could not have been any other answer to the question.

915
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: Write that, he said, turning to me, Oh, okay, so

916
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: that's what he demands of his doctors. You know, I

917
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: will say, I remember I kind of fell for this

918
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Speaker 1: doctor psyop in the first administration, because do you remember

919
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: who the doctor was. It was Ronnie Jackson.

920
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, gets quoted in the piece, by the way.

921
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Right, of course he don't. But here's the thing. Everyone

922
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, he was Obama's doctor, so like he

923
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: must be fine. And then he left and he became

924
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Speaker 1: a Republican congressman, and I was like, well, that's kind

925
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Speaker 1: of weird. You know, they have a Republican congressman who's

926
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Speaker 1: a former doctor, and so what's going on with these doctors?

927
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Like how can you have such partisan doctors who are

928
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: in the White House. It's a bit strange. I've never

929
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: met a doctor in my life who would talk like

930
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: that ever, Right, these are the most cautious people in

931
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: the world who will never definitively say anything and then

932
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Speaker 1: directly compare two people's Again, I know a lot of doctors.

933
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Speaker 1: I'm Indians, cliche. I literally cannot think of a single

934
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: doctor who would ever talk that way. So, I mean,

935
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Speaker 1: and it's not like he had serious. Guy is Obama's.

936
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Speaker 2: Doctor, Like Obama was much much younger. Right when he

937
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: was in the White House, he was.

938
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Speaker 1: Constant Obama defender.

939
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was thin, he was fit, he was playing basketball,

940
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 2: he was very you know, regimenting about his diet whatever.

941
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: Like the only thing is that he had smoked in

942
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: the past, seem that he you know, quit apparently when

943
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: he was in the white Like the idea that Trump

944
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: is healthier than Obaba was in the way. And that's

945
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: the two things that come out of this are number one,

946
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: that quote about Alzheimer's, which is just that is the

947
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: most unfortunate word to forget that you can possibly imagine. Frankly,

948
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: it's I relate to it a little bit, because I

949
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: do have those moments now one set of times where

950
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is that freaking word again? I can

951
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: I can relate to it a bit. But then again,

952
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm not president of the United States, nor should i be.

953
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: So there's that. But the other part is you read

954
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: some of the quotes from his staff, not just the doctors,

955
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: from Caroline Levitt, Marco Rubio, everyone they talk to, I

956
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: mean truly North Korea level propaganda. He's the most active,

957
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 2: he's the most fit. You know, the doctors who tested

958
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: his heart capacity they said they don't even need to

959
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: ever do it again because his heart is so healthy.

960
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: If he if he ever dies, it certainly won't be

961
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: because of his heart. It's unbelievable the embarrassing, humiliating quotes

962
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: that were given by his staff in the context of

963
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: this piece. But of course they know that that's what

964
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Speaker 2: he wants to hear, right, it's the you know, the

965
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: president's health version of these cabinet meetings that he has

966
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: where they're all like, oh my god, not even Abraham

967
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: Lincoln could imagine the greatness that you embody. Mister President, sir,

968
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: you are so healthy. There has never been anyone healthier

969
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: in the entire history of the world, et cetera. I mean,

970
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: that's the other part is just like, the dynamics in

971
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: that White House are so creepy and disturbing, and the

972
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: bubble that he has created for himself is wild.

973
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having chat GBT pull some North Korean state

974
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: media quotes that were about Kim Jong ill. General Secretary

975
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: of Kim Jong Ill is in good health. He's energetically

976
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: defending the overall affairs of the country. They respect did.

977
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: General Secretary is full of vigor and energy, devoting himself

978
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: day and night to the sacred leadership of the revolution.

979
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: Despite despite the heavy burden of work for the country

980
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: and the people. General, Kim Jong Ill remains strong in

981
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: body and mind. The Supreme Commander enjoys robust health and

982
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: continues his time tireless on the spot guidance. These are

983
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: these are I mean, honest.

984
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: With you, some of the things that were said in

985
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: this piece go even further than that. I mean to

986
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: call him superhuman and be like he doesn't even need

987
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: to test his heart anymore. That's how good it is

988
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: at you know, almost eighty years old.

989
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Like what yeah, uh well, I mean what's fascinating to

990
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: me is also the media angle on this. So for

991
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: those who don't know, getting a sit down in the

992
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: Oval is not that easy. Everybody wants one, okay, So

993
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: I've had to do this a couple of times. It's

994
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: a game and you kind of got to sell it.

995
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: And it is stunning to me that Trump and his

996
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: press secretary that the way that this guy got in

997
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: because remember, you know, the New York Times just went

998
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: in there. The only reason they got in there is

999
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: because Trump is obsessed with the New York Times. The

1000
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: Oval Office. Every once in a while, you know, the

1001
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal or somebody like that will be able

1002
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: to get a sit down. But it's not all that

1003
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: common in this administration. So the fact is is that

1004
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: the way this guy got in there is he was like,

1005
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the President about his help,

1006
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: and of course to Trump, this is the opportunity or

1007
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: for him to flex with the doctors and with the

1008
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: press secretary and to talk about how phenomenal he is

1009
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: in the midst of all these questions about you know,

1010
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: his hand, his health and his askmin So even from

1011
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: a media angle, it's amazing because no season comms person

1012
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: would ever tell you to do this. This is purely

1013
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Trump himself who is obsessed with the questions of his

1014
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: health and painting this picture around it. And the fact

1015
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: is is not only did it work, you know, on

1016
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: behalf of New York Magazine, but the quotes from this

1017
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: are I mean, they're just amazing. They really are. Because

1018
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: you also can just see I encourage you guys to

1019
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: go read it because we can't read it all to you.

1020
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: But you know, listen to this from Marco Rubio. The

1021
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: guy is too healthy, Rubio the White House. Yeah, he's

1022
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: too active, Rubio said. By the way, Rubio's son is

1023
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: actually a very good football player. Just to give you all,

1024
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: just to give you all some contact. Rubio, in addition,

1025
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: maybe one of the busiest men in Washington. Still, he

1026
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: took time out of his day to regale me with

1027
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: story about the President's unparalleled memory and attention to detail.

1028
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: Once Trump noticed Rubio's size looked shitty, so at a

1029
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: later meeting, the President presented him with a gift assigned

1030
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: shoe box containing a pair of size twelves. I have

1031
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: them on and they're perfect, he said, pointing to his

1032
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: shining like drafts shoes. Another time, Trump perceived that the

1033
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: chandeliers in the State Department were missing medallions, the ornamental

1034
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: discs that are installed on the ceiling. A few days later,

1035
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: Trump called Rubio into his office with dozens of medallion samples.

1036
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know how many I need, Rubrio recalled.

1037
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: He said, I think you need twelve, sure enough. I

1038
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: try to match it as much as I can. It's

1039
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: just not as natural to me. There's one place in

1040
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: particular run Trump. Rubio is unable to keep up with

1041
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: the president. Air Force one. Rubio said he needs to

1042
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: get rest on overseas flies, but Trump never naps on

1043
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: the plane, so the Tecretary of State, a man task

1044
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: with instelling fears in the hearts of our enemies. Uh

1045
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, spends parts most parts of most flights

1046
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: hiding from the eighty year old man. There is an

1047
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: office with two couches, and I usually want to sleep

1048
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: on one of those couches. What I do is I

1049
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: co coon myself in a blanket, I cover my head,

1050
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: and I look like a mummy. I do that because

1051
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: I know that at some point he's going to emerge

1052
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: from the cabin and start prowling the hallways to see

1053
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: who is awake. And I want him to think it

1054
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: is a staffer. And I don't want him to see

1055
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: the Secretary of State on the couch and think, oh,

1056
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: this guy is so weak. Okay, can we just talk

1057
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: about dysfunctional workplaces? This is.

1058
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: Can we toxic workplace?

1059
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: Gen z employee, this is a toxic work's toxic work in.

1060
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't honestly get that much out of

1061
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: this piece in terms of his actual.

1062
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: Health, which, of course that's not the point.

1063
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: Genuine question. I mean the blotches on the hands, which

1064
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: are constant at this point, which he clearly is self

1065
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: conscious about. You know, in a bunch of press conferences whatever,

1066
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: he'll cover his hand to try to cover it up.

1067
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: He slathers on some kind of poorly conceived makeup that

1068
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything to hide it. I mean, those things

1069
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: are on there like all the time. And first we

1070
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: were told it was from shaking hands. It was on

1071
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: the right hand. Now it's on the left hand. To like,

1072
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: what is going on with that. We see the facial group,

1073
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: We see him, you know, just being an old man

1074
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: and falling asleep in meetings where I'm sorry, I'm not

1075
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: you can't say his response actively listening, no, but remember.

1076
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: His response, he said it was three and a half hours.

1077
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: It's boring, it's boring.

1078
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, bear.

1079
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Speaker 5: Bear, he's right, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, sorry, you do have the ability to control

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Speaker 1: those meetings. In fact, he holds some of the longest

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00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: meetings on record for a cab Like there's literally no

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00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: cabinet meetings are bullshit. Their formality. You're supposed to meet

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00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: for twenty minutes, do a camera thing. You get the

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00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: photo of everybody sitting in the White House habit room

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: with their fancy chairs, and then everybody just leaves. You're

1087
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to sitting there for three and a half hour.

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00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: It's never happened before. It's extremely uncommon in the history

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00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: of the White House.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what his

1091
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: health is like. I you know, some days he looks

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00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean he does. He definitely is showing his age

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00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: a lot more now than he has in the past.

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00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. There's days when he gets

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00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: up there behind the podium he looks like shit. The

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00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: speech is like slow, certainly is hearing is not what

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00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: it used to be. You know, the splotches on the hands.

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00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: There's been times when his walk has been sort of

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00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: shuffley and not tired.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean now again, Yeah, his age.

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Speaker 1: So I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, like first days

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Speaker 1: for his one year breast conference.

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Speaker 2: It was very low energy.

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00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys watched it. Unfortunately, I

1106
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: watched the entire thing. He spoke for over an hour fifteen.

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00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: His heart was not in it. It was weird, and

1108
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: he was speaking understated. He's had a couple of these

1109
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: moments where you're like, man like and iget look covered

1110
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: this guy for years, Gassin speak in every single different

1111
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: type of environment from low energy to other. And he

1112
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: had a certain way of talking when he was bored,

1113
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: but he never usually came off like this, like meandering

1114
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: and very very uh yeah, just low energy. And you know,

1115
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: I covered him four straight years in the White House,

1116
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: except you know, three feet away. In many of these cases,

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00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: he definitely looks different, there's no there's no doubt about it.

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00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: And then there's the obsession with like the physical legacy

1119
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: that he's going to leave, you know, as he clearly

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00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: he's thinking about end of life. You know, he's wanting

1121
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: to leave his ballroom, he's wanting to leave his arc

1122
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: de Trump. You know, he's wanting to leave like a

1123
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: physical imprint there. So he's thinking about his what's going

1124
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: to be there after he's gone. So there's that, and

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Speaker 2: you know some of these things like remember when he

1126
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: kept mixing up Greenland and Iceland.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: These are the sort of things that we were gaslet

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00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: under Biden that like, no, it's just his stutter whatever.

1130
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we're being gasolt with him

1131
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: as well of just like oh yeah, I mean he

1132
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: meant ice space land. He didn't mean Iceland. He meant

1133
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: a land of ice, and clearly like as you age,

1134
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: things start getting jumbled in your head. And he did

1135
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: it repeatedly. It wasn't just like a you know, one

1136
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: off where if you're talking a lot, you and I

1137
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 2: have both experiences. If you're talking a lot, you're gonna

1138
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: insert the wrong word or say the opposite of what

1139
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: you mean or whatever like that happens sometimes, but it

1140
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 2: does seem to be happening more and more frequently that

1141
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: the word is not he's not able to grab the

1142
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: word he wants, he's using the wrong word, he's mixing

1143
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: things up, et cetera. So there are some Biden esque,

1144
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: there are some Brandon moments that we have certainly witnessed

1145
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: from this president in this term.

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00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sure again keep an eye on it, because

1147
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: Trump wanted to do this. It was ver. Some of

1148
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: the quotes on this are all a bit crazy. The

1149
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: hand thing. Look, it's undeniable.

1150
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Speaker 5: It's weird.

1151
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, people don't just bruise. I don't know about you.

1152
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't bruise, you know very often, Like it's got

1153
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: to be bad very recently. Right now we're buried under

1154
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: inches of snow, like it needs to be one of

1155
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: those scenarios where you literally like fall over and hurt

1156
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: yourself really badly for something.

1157
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: In the fact it's always in the same place and

1158
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: is always on the hand, it does give credence to

1159
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: the idea that he's getting routinely getting some sort of

1160
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: an ivy there.

1161
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: That's an open one, right because and everybody remembers about

1162
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: the condition. Remember the remember the Queen's hand right before

1163
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: she died. That's what a lot of people. And yeah,

1164
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean I've gotten IVS in my hands before. It hurts,

1165
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: always leaves a huge bruise. So yeah, I look who knows.

1166
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. You got a doctor like this,

1167
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: who's I'm like, bro, I'm not gonna believe a damn

1168
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: worthy you say if you're gonna talk about it, no

1169
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: matter who you this is just a Trump thing. I'm like, bro,

1170
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: you need to get out of there, like whoever whoever

1171
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: becomes the next president, you need to get a new doctor.

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00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: You can't be having doctor stock like this. Maybe maybe

1173
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't know. I believed a little

1174
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: bit more impartiality personally of doctors, but my confidence has

1175
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: been shaken. Speak be pish