Speaker 1: Hi everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Devin Simone and I am Devon Rogers and this
Speaker 2: is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Yes it is back. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm so exciting. This was an episode for the books, okay,
Speaker 2: so let's just dive right into it. Today's challenge was
Speaker 2: called Getting Tanked. The winners ended up being Olivia and
Speaker 2: Corey and Berna. Yes, so they have to vote. The
Speaker 2: winners decide to vote in Horassio. The House decides to
Speaker 2: vote in Kyland. Shocker. So then we have the draw.
Speaker 2: Brad comes in as the mercenary. Oh my gosh. In
Speaker 2: this elimination, Brad pulls the draw stick and it is Kyland. Ah.
Speaker 2: Kylon goes down into this elimination. It's called What's Going Down?
Speaker 2: And the winder ends up being Kyland. Kyland beats Brad. Y'all,
Speaker 2: Kyland beat Brad. Okay, that is a sentence for the books,
Speaker 2: right behind Kylon beat Durrell. How are you feeling about
Speaker 2: this demon?
Speaker 3: I have so many feelings about this, Like it's crazy
Speaker 3: because I love I want to see the champs win,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, you know, you just it's something
Speaker 3: about that gives me the warm and fuzzies. But in
Speaker 3: this scenario, I actually wanted to see Kyland win because
Speaker 3: I want to see him go back in the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see him shake things.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we're finally on the verge of
Speaker 3: this alliance being shooketh and I want to see it happen.
Speaker 3: And I feel like if we lost Kylon, it may
Speaker 3: set us back and it'll be a while before we
Speaker 3: get to see that happen. If ever, So I'm glad
Speaker 3: that Kylon is coming back in the house.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about it?
Speaker 2: I felt that this him winning was what needed to happen,
Speaker 2: exactly what you said. I can only piggyback, baby, Let's
Speaker 2: shake these tables up. Okay, Narrace, damn it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: need you to pick a side. Okay, at this point,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to pick a side, because Kylon,
Speaker 2: the fire is lit, Harassi on, the fire is Litza,
Speaker 2: the fire is the fire is lint.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now we just need to make some magic happen, and
Speaker 2: they just not doing it. So I have to know
Speaker 2: for this episode, Zevin, who were your gold Star and
Speaker 2: your Time Out?
Speaker 1: So nominees for gold Star ed It was a masterclass.
Speaker 3: The way Ed was up there talking about I got groupings,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you caught the scene where
Speaker 3: he's running cross the truck and at one point, like
Speaker 3: Berna and them are handing him the letters and he's like,
Speaker 3: give them all to.
Speaker 1: Me, And I love that he just like like knows
Speaker 1: it and it's got it.
Speaker 3: And to me, he's like a walking version of the
Speaker 3: meme where the woman's looking at the different like mathematic
Speaker 3: things that are like printed in the air, floating in
Speaker 3: the air. So he's a nominee for gold Star. Another
Speaker 3: nominee for gold Star is Hirasio. The grace with which
Speaker 3: he's handled he's handling being voted in and going down
Speaker 3: there and being like, hey, I just want to keep
Speaker 3: my girl safe like nouris. I don't want you to
Speaker 3: go put yourself at risk, like I just respect that
Speaker 3: so much. And then my other nominee is Birthday Boy Kyland,
Speaker 3: And of course I'm gonna have to give it to Kyland,
Speaker 3: because not only did he handle it well, he went
Speaker 3: in like a champ one like a champ like all
Speaker 3: not a curl out of place, and so Kylin really
Speaker 3: just like took it out the plastic. He was acting
Speaker 3: brand new, like a brand new champion down there. So
Speaker 3: Kylin gets my gold star? Who gets your gold star?
Speaker 2: My gold star? I'm going to give it to Nourice
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give it to Therees for a whole.
Speaker 4: Down.
Speaker 2: Do you understand she was holding her man down. She
Speaker 2: went over there. She said, okay, you don't talk you
Speaker 2: you You're not gonna go over here in defendal souse.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna over here and I'm gonna hold it down
Speaker 2: for you, okay, And she was just showing him like
Speaker 2: I really care about you. I'm willing to stick my
Speaker 2: neck out and go against the people that I consider
Speaker 2: to be my number ones. I'm gonna go and tell them, hey,
Speaker 2: you owe him, like you know, give him some grades,
Speaker 2: give him. You should pick other people. She just went
Speaker 2: over there and was his mouthpiece, and I thought that
Speaker 2: was really really cool of her. She's also on my
Speaker 2: time out, but we'll get to that when we get here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but I wanted to give
Speaker 2: it to her. I also want to give it to
Speaker 2: Harassio for the same exact reason that you said, because
Speaker 2: he's handling He's handling this thing like okay, even the
Speaker 2: thing with Olivia, He's handling that with so much grace
Speaker 2: as well, because like, girl, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then to just hear him in his confessional, San,
Speaker 2: I know she has my back and I know she's
Speaker 2: out there fighting for me and she's absolutely not Like
Speaker 2: it just breaks my heart watching that. But yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So those are my I'm gonna give it to both
Speaker 2: of them. So half and half, I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and give it to the both of them. Those those
Speaker 2: are my gold stars for this.
Speaker 1: Okay, not you splitting up stars doing twelve loads of
Speaker 1: fishing twelve whatever?
Speaker 4: Can you hear?
Speaker 3: So my nominees for the timeouts, it goes to a
Speaker 3: couple of people. One of them has to be Jay.
Speaker 1: Jay is now Jay Jay.
Speaker 3: I mean he's managed to slip under my radar most
Speaker 3: of the season, but now, Jay, if you get a.
Speaker 1: Nomination for time Out of the week. I don't like how.
Speaker 3: He's He's being really snaky but also kind of scared.
Speaker 3: I just don't like what they're doing to Hirassio. Absolutely
Speaker 3: not a fan. My other contender for time Out is
Speaker 3: actually Olivia because I can understand, I can empathize with
Speaker 3: the fact that if she feels like she's not communicating,
Speaker 3: because all relationships take communication. You have friendships that like
Speaker 3: she's not being heard or hearing from Hoirasio in the
Speaker 3: way that she wants, then then I can understand her frustration.
Speaker 1: But girl, don't try and play us.
Speaker 3: For Boo boo to fool you over here talking about
Speaker 3: there's nothing I can do to save him. Meanwhile, your
Speaker 3: team's like, ah, I think maybe Hirasio, She's like, really,
Speaker 3: that's all that's what you're gonna say. I guess that's
Speaker 3: what you're gonna say. Girl, you didn't even try to
Speaker 3: stop it, Like, you didn't even pretend. You know, when
Speaker 3: people go on a date and they pull out their
Speaker 3: wallet and like fake like they're gonna pay now they
Speaker 3: know full well they're not gonna pay, and you didn't
Speaker 3: even go You didn't even reach your hand into your
Speaker 3: purse to pretend. Side note, I don't advise you do
Speaker 3: that on first dates, don't they If they invites you
Speaker 3: out on the date, then act like you're allergic to
Speaker 3: the bill weight let them pay, and then.
Speaker 1: Be gracious and think them.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so the winner for my time out of
Speaker 3: the week, though, is going to go to Jay.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Jay down in that arena. I
Speaker 1: was so thankful that they were going to have the votes,
Speaker 1: just because I think it's time.
Speaker 3: Not that I dislike Jay, but I feel like you've
Speaker 3: been running things this whole time.
Speaker 1: You're getting a little messy with it, and now I
Speaker 1: want to see him go in. Who are your timeouts?
Speaker 2: The whole cast? Put everybody in the corner. Now that
Speaker 2: the whole cast, these are my time out people, Michelle,
Speaker 2: Asath and Colleen and there's more, but we're gonna start
Speaker 2: there with that team because I didn't like how they
Speaker 2: tried to sabotage Sharatio.
Speaker 1: That was so hard wreaking it.
Speaker 2: And here's the cold part about Colleen, Baby. They have
Speaker 2: continuously said your name, and we'll continue to say you're right,
Speaker 2: you know this, So for you to partake in this
Speaker 2: foolishness is just absolutely mind blowing. Also, I want to
Speaker 2: say Olivia, put her in a corner too, because maybe, girl,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? What are you doing? Just have
Speaker 2: the conversation and let's be done with that. Have this conversation.
Speaker 2: An other person to put in the corner. Surprise, surprise, harassio.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you in the corner and let me
Speaker 2: tell you why, because as an I understand, Yeah, he don't,
Speaker 2: he don't talk, he don't do this, he don't do that.
Speaker 2: But as your woman is over there fighting your battles, baby,
Speaker 2: why are you over here watching her do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna come over here and say, oh no, baby,
Speaker 2: I got this, and you know, speak up for yourself.
Speaker 2: He went over there here obed Olivia, but she was
Speaker 2: in the it was and the lions did.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah there you've.
Speaker 3: Seen that meme right where it's like a guy's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I married my wife because when I go to restaurants
Speaker 3: and my food order is wrong, like basically.
Speaker 2: Is the one Okay, Well, then he could have went
Speaker 2: and sat next to her that she was doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't just have her and the lions did by herself.
Speaker 3: So then I don't say he sent her out there.
Speaker 3: I think she did it on her own.
Speaker 2: She's the one. Yeah, he didn't send her, but he
Speaker 2: saw her. He saw her out there with the lions
Speaker 2: around her, mouth's drooling because they ready to attack her,
Speaker 2: and he over there watching. I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 2: But I'm also gonna putting the res in the corner.
Speaker 1: Wally, putting the whole cast.
Speaker 2: Everybody gotta go in the corner. I'm putting the rees
Speaker 2: in the corner because baby, baby, and y'all know how
Speaker 2: I feel about the Reese. That's my baby. But after
Speaker 2: you called out the fact that they were sabotaging your maid,
Speaker 2: you called it out. You said they are sabotaging him,
Speaker 2: and then you also set out your own mouth. This
Speaker 2: shows me that they don't care about what I want.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what I want in this alliance. You
Speaker 2: still sat there and made a conscious decision. Well.
Speaker 3: She also said a burn vote. She could if she
Speaker 3: did a burn vote to vote for Kylon. She literally
Speaker 3: said that, She said, so she knew what the numbers were.
Speaker 2: You baby, it was a perfect opportunity for you to
Speaker 2: make a make a pick. It was a perfect opportunity
Speaker 2: for you to say, you know what, if y'all don't
Speaker 2: care about me, as I see y'all don't care about me,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and take a stance and do something.
Speaker 2: But I you know, and and and Kylon is so loving,
Speaker 2: and I understand and I understand it no, she could
Speaker 2: have made a pick and did something, and so there
Speaker 2: are no honorable mention. Everybody gonna stay in the corner.
Speaker 2: I'm putting them body in the corner. Everybody's everybody.
Speaker 1: I will say this about nurse though.
Speaker 3: My thoughts are and we I'm so glad we have
Speaker 3: Kylin on to talk about this a little bit. But
Speaker 3: I will say this about nourise now Colleen, for example,
Speaker 3: Colleen is low on the totem pole.
Speaker 1: We all know that.
Speaker 3: So to me it's like, girl, yeah, what are you
Speaker 3: You're hoping to be at the end and they're almost
Speaker 3: at the end anyway, so you're just gonna get kicked
Speaker 3: back down, Like what are you fighting so hard for. Maurice, however,
Speaker 3: is high up in the hierarchy, which means the longer
Speaker 3: she can hide her hand, the more advantageous it is
Speaker 3: for her and everyone rolling deep with her like Odassio
Speaker 3: and a Kylin.
Speaker 1: So with Maurice.
Speaker 3: Just just just making space for the other side, I
Speaker 3: can see that if she and her heart didn't feel
Speaker 3: they for sure had the numbers, then it would be
Speaker 3: who of her not to show her hand. Yet, whereas Colleen,
Speaker 3: girl doesn't matter what's in your hand.
Speaker 1: Nobody care. It's not gonna doesn't it's not gonna change
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: And put James in the corner too, because who told
Speaker 2: you to go back and tell Mariah you miss the
Speaker 2: whole like ooh whom he should.
Speaker 1: It's the least nice thing, one nice thing you could do.
Speaker 2: Lord, I would have told her Jack didley didly didly
Speaker 2: didly Dan dang nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, he's done nothing else for her all seasons.
Speaker 2: I feel like he called her his challenge wife.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: Excited for the guests that we have today to get
Speaker 3: into it, to share with us their notes, to share
Speaker 3: with us some things that are going on in the
Speaker 3: house that we don't even realize, to give us an
Speaker 3: update on their relationship status, as well as a whole
Speaker 3: lot of other things, including why this particular elimination was
Speaker 3: so meaningful to him. That's right, we have the fabulous
Speaker 3: Kylin young on. You are not gonna want to miss
Speaker 3: this very very special episode. Excited to kick off and
Speaker 3: be in twenty twenty four with this kind of energy.
Speaker 3: So do your stretches, your calistens, keep your earbuds and
Speaker 3: headphones on, and stay tuned because we'll be right back
Speaker 3: with the fabulous Kylins.
Speaker 2: After this, we are back and I am so excited
Speaker 2: about this episode. We have none other than my big
Speaker 2: brother brother. Okay, he's done, big Brother, he's done us
Speaker 2: say one, and now he is here for battle for
Speaker 2: a new champion. Give it up for Kylin, young people.
Speaker 1: Yes, yay birthday boy.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5: I'm really excited to be here. You guys have been
Speaker 5: absolutely killing it with the podcast this season. By the way,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to throw that out there.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Really enjoy listening and I feel like it's hard to
Speaker 5: talk about something that there's so many people talking about
Speaker 5: and have a unique perspective, and you guys do so well.
Speaker 2: Kyln, we're at like nine thousand. I'm gonna need you
Speaker 2: to come up.
Speaker 4: Come up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you know. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to bring myself down because I found myself
Speaker 5: getting so emotionally worked up watching the episode. So I
Speaker 5: was like, I'm down, calm down, You're fine, everything's fine,
Speaker 5: like emotionally good and bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was just like I was like, you know, man,
Speaker 5: you've already gotten like two and a half gold stars
Speaker 5: and needs to.
Speaker 4: Get more of.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we do throw a half in there that's.
Speaker 2: Devin isn't good for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I didn't see I brought you saw.
Speaker 5: I brought a mic setup because I was like, let
Speaker 5: me be clear, because I want to set the record
Speaker 5: straight on things, because I see some confusion and I
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure everything was crystal clear as we
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you want to clear up. We wanted the
Speaker 1: people want to know.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I could.
Speaker 5: I could get off the rail so quickly and all
Speaker 5: the tangents. So I don't know what's easier. Do we
Speaker 5: go backwards? Do we start this episode?
Speaker 4: You guys are the professional, I just have sir nineteen seventy.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Well, you guys know I can talk and
Speaker 4: I so, so if.
Speaker 3: You're inspired, like what stood out to you in this
Speaker 3: episode where you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not how
Speaker 3: I remember it, or wow, I didn't know these conversations
Speaker 3: were happening in the house, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was gonna say, Melissa, but this's cool too.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: All right, so this episode things that stand out to me,
Speaker 5: I mean number one, Rassi and Nourice, They're just my
Speaker 5: people and I love them so much. Like I mean,
Speaker 5: seeing the support for moment is always appreciated, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean truly feels like built up some some extra
Speaker 5: family in them.
Speaker 1: And so, but what did you think when on that
Speaker 1: Nourice vote And obviously she's we've.
Speaker 3: Had her on the podcast. It was great having her.
Speaker 3: She speaks highly of you. When she though did that
Speaker 3: vote for Emanuel episode, it kind of seemed like a
Speaker 3: vert like it seemed like you're what is perceived as
Speaker 3: your plan was going well and that we may see
Speaker 3: a big turn in the house and then she voted
Speaker 3: for Iman well and it just put like a halt
Speaker 3: on everything. So did you have any sort of strong
Speaker 3: feelings around her doing that vote?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's the thing that sort of
Speaker 1: led you to being down in the arena?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Jay has that moment, He's like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, Nourice, like we're on the plan or whatever. No, Like,
Speaker 5: we had a whole conversation beforehand going into the vote,
Speaker 5: and essentially as soon as Colleen and James wavered were like, okay,
Speaker 5: so you don't have the vote, So Nourice like there's
Speaker 5: no point. You have this type thing with the Jay,
Speaker 5: like just like an Ostio says it during the votes,
Speaker 5: like don't jopardize your game, Like we had that those
Speaker 5: sort of conversations going in, and so we already.
Speaker 4: Knew that was going to happen. But for me, it
Speaker 4: was just like, yo, let's make the statement.
Speaker 5: Let's make it clear, like there is some dissension that
Speaker 5: every vote doesn't have to be an animus vote, doesn't
Speaker 5: have to fall in line, and let's make that as
Speaker 5: clear as we can.
Speaker 3: So so you're saying Colleen and then wavered in the
Speaker 3: sort of back room conversations, not because yes, before we
Speaker 3: walked in, watch it okay, because it appears like Colleen
Speaker 3: would have been down had Nourice said, you know, Jay,
Speaker 3: that college.
Speaker 1: Seemed like Colleen was ready to go for it. But
Speaker 1: because Nourice pulled back, then the everybody else kind of
Speaker 1: backed off.
Speaker 5: I mean, Colleen was more dependent on James than anything,
Speaker 5: and James very understanding, like I love James, He's hilarious actually,
Speaker 5: and we ended up rooming together after we switched our
Speaker 5: first rooms. I was in his room for like the
Speaker 5: second half of the game, and I was just like, no,
Speaker 5: like you're one of the only like he says that.
Speaker 4: The thing.
Speaker 5: He's like, I got a vote with this person that's
Speaker 5: keeping me safe, like and I was like, right, respect, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: that makes sense.
Speaker 4: She has had your back NonStop.
Speaker 5: But then you have other people like the colleens, like
Speaker 5: the and we go back to that vote and Ed's
Speaker 5: just when Ed was being considered. They end up put
Speaker 5: throwing in James obviously, but you just have the these people,
Speaker 5: the Ravens, the colleens. I was like, that are finally
Speaker 5: catching on to the game that is being played. And
Speaker 5: I'm just like, yeah, I remember when we talked about
Speaker 5: that three weeks ago, like and Melissa was still here
Speaker 5: and we still had, like, you know, a chance to
Speaker 5: get these numbers. And I told you the exact things
Speaker 5: that you're saying. Yes, like welcome, welcome to to what's
Speaker 5: going on. I'm glad you guys are here. It's a
Speaker 5: little bit too late, but yeah, so that was one.
Speaker 5: So we knew Lurice was gonna do in that vote.
Speaker 5: And that's my thing is like, you know, we don't
Speaker 5: want to jeopardize I don't want to jeopardize someone else's
Speaker 5: game because they can have a chance.
Speaker 4: To help us later.
Speaker 5: So even jump back on one Erasio back when we
Speaker 5: won the the Bingo Banngo in the mud pit. He
Speaker 5: actually that's when me and Rosta I think locked in
Speaker 5: the most because he actually did vote with me putting
Speaker 5: Raven and so we had that split of the three
Speaker 5: to three split, and then essentially since we couldn't move anybody,
Speaker 5: it was a salemate. And then so I just tell
Speaker 5: him like, hey, we're not going to get this vote.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you for rocking with me. That means a lot,
Speaker 5: but go ahead, just switch.
Speaker 4: The vote stick with the group.
Speaker 5: You just need to make sure that we still have
Speaker 5: like our girls in Rasa and Olivia are still with
Speaker 5: us and that. But that for me, the fact that
Speaker 5: he was willing to stand up and do that with.
Speaker 4: Me meant a lot. But so that's when I really
Speaker 4: was like locked in on him for life.
Speaker 2: Wow, please walk us through the order in which it
Speaker 2: took you to finally say you know what, I gotta
Speaker 2: cut ties with Jay. Was it only when he first
Speaker 2: like said, okay, you said your name or what did
Speaker 2: you smell something in the atmosphere before then?
Speaker 4: Well that's what's kind of frustrating.
Speaker 5: I think coming into this game, you guys might see
Speaker 5: might have noticed, I'm the only person out of every
Speaker 5: single contender that walked into this house that has never
Speaker 5: played a game with the other people. Every single person
Speaker 5: has played with at least one other person in the house,
Speaker 5: if not multiple at least one year, if not multiple years.
Speaker 5: And so these are relationships that like, I'm coming in
Speaker 5: years behind and in some cases, and so that's what's
Speaker 5: kind of frustrating when you watch people are just like, oh, like,
Speaker 5: you know, there's the social dynamic that like you can't
Speaker 5: work the social game.
Speaker 4: It's like no, like there wasn't a there.
Speaker 5: Wasn't any place for me to like slide myself in
Speaker 5: until as long as people especially with this format where
Speaker 5: having the major alliance could be an easy way to
Speaker 5: coast because when you throw in people, they're going against champs,
Speaker 5: so you don't have a risk of them going against you,
Speaker 5: so there's no repercussions, and you have the numbers. As
Speaker 5: we've seen, so since most of the challenges are teams,
Speaker 5: you end up seeing that even if the person that
Speaker 5: you threw in wins, they're gonna win with a teammate
Speaker 5: who numbers wise, is most likely going to be in
Speaker 5: your line, so you're still gonna be fine. So there's
Speaker 5: just no repercussions with this format. And so I did
Speaker 5: kind of know Olympia, I knew Erasio Nuris. Those were
Speaker 5: people I'd met outside, got along with, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: who are we rocking with? Like, because you guys are
Speaker 5: the only ones I know who we're walking with.
Speaker 4: They're like Jay Michelle, And I.
Speaker 5: Was like really, because I got like, like, those are
Speaker 5: people that people always say not to work with and
Speaker 5: don't trust in all these things, and they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: they have us. We got that, like, we are so
Speaker 5: good with them. And I was so, if you're good
Speaker 5: with us, I was like, all right, fine. So I
Speaker 5: walked in not trusting them, but literally having no choice
Speaker 5: if I wanted to work with the team. And so
Speaker 5: then it just became more of a matter of like,
Speaker 5: all right, well, let's see how this rolls out. And
Speaker 5: it was I told Adrossio literally in the first week
Speaker 5: we were rooming together, and I was like, just so
Speaker 5: you know, I'm ninety percent sure that there is not
Speaker 5: another guy in this house that wants you in the
Speaker 5: final besides me, So be aware of that, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll see, and he's like but Jay, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 4: And then obviously we've.
Speaker 2: Seen, we have seen because Jay been eating this season.
Speaker 2: But from the sidelines though, that's the crazy part, like
Speaker 2: how often have you seen people dominate the season so
Speaker 2: far but from the sideline?
Speaker 1: So are they really dominating?
Speaker 5: So yes, but I think like Dave, you could probably
Speaker 5: tell as may have seen, and Devin, I know you've
Speaker 5: done a few seasons, so like when you do more seasons,
Speaker 5: you pick up these games. But everyone here is so new,
Speaker 5: so the only people who are playing the game are
Speaker 5: ones who actually came from games. J came from Survivor,
Speaker 5: Michelle came from Surviving. Michelle's a Survivor winner. Like yeah,
Speaker 5: so we would just have conversations like what are these
Speaker 5: idiots doing? Like they don't understand the game, and they're
Speaker 5: calling to survive one day as opposed to having any
Speaker 5: sort of long term plan.
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, Jy and Michelle are running like.
Speaker 5: Things, but also because no one knows what they're doing,
Speaker 5: so it's just just kind of like not very hard.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately, there was like no place for me and Jay,
Speaker 5: like I got nothing personal against today, but in the game,
Speaker 5: like obviously he didn't want me and my number one
Speaker 5: to move forward, so it just was like and then
Speaker 5: that's Michelle's rider die. So it was it was just
Speaker 5: so tricky because me and Michelle can never get on
Speaker 5: the same page because it's like, well, I'm like.
Speaker 4: Yo, who are your number one? I want to protect
Speaker 4: my girls.
Speaker 5: Obviously we've seen there's a lot of people she wanted
Speaker 5: to protect, but I did kind of feel that she
Speaker 5: her number one girls were like Mariah, Olivia and Nourice
Speaker 5: at least coming in and I was like, perfect, those
Speaker 5: are the girls I want to protect, so we could
Speaker 5: work together if.
Speaker 4: You if you wanted your number one to not come
Speaker 4: after me. And it was just like, but I did.
Speaker 5: The mistake that I did make is I did think
Speaker 5: that Michelle had a lot more control over Jay than
Speaker 5: she did and everyone did, and that's.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing the I think she did too.
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, like you know, we call her the Godfather.
Speaker 3: I call her the Godfather this season because that's like
Speaker 3: the vibe she's giving and it definitely as we're watching
Speaker 3: right now, at least I feel like they've shown some
Speaker 3: teasers that seem like some things start to happen or whatever,
Speaker 3: but she definitely seems like she's the one really running
Speaker 3: things or moving things.
Speaker 5: She played with the most people in the house, so
Speaker 5: you know, like having like it's one thing to know
Speaker 5: people for a long time. It's nothing to play a
Speaker 5: game with these games such that tight bond.
Speaker 1: She tried to recruit Davon and I last episode. I
Speaker 1: believe Michelle we are onto Michelle.
Speaker 5: Michelle is very good at that because, yeah, she says, well,
Speaker 5: she she picks. She's very specific in like what she
Speaker 5: says or like I sholl here's my favorite thing.
Speaker 4: That Michelle wud say.
Speaker 5: Michelle's like, I didn't say your name when they asked
Speaker 5: like who should we go after? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: but if there's seven people and you say, hey, you
Speaker 5: can go, don't go after these six and you don't
Speaker 5: list my name, that's the same thing.
Speaker 4: And she's like, well, but I didn't say your name.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you did it. That's dumb.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, very.
Speaker 3: Very smart was speaking of, which I feel like we
Speaker 3: saw a little bit a bit of that in this
Speaker 3: episode with Olivia. So where the Harassio boat comes up,
Speaker 3: and she in her confessionals, is like, there's nothing I
Speaker 3: can do. And then we see, you know, when they're
Speaker 3: saying the you know, the teammates are like, I'm thinking her,
Speaker 3: She's just like, you're not going to change your mind.
Speaker 3: She didn't say you need to change your mind. She
Speaker 3: didn't even ask are you going to change your mind?
Speaker 3: She didn't say what can I.
Speaker 2: Do to the change your mind? She just she just.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, sounds like you already know.
Speaker 3: Like what Ann Bord on the Street is is that
Speaker 3: behind the scenes she was sort of saying that she
Speaker 3: already want to get Harassio out.
Speaker 1: Did you hear anything like that? Or And what was
Speaker 1: your take in watching sort of what went down in
Speaker 1: this episode when her team had to deliberate on who
Speaker 1: they wanted to send down.
Speaker 4: So here's what I would say.
Speaker 5: This is the probably the only the only place where
Speaker 5: I really felt like some some heartbreak and watching this
Speaker 5: episode specifically like it sent that twins with pain, I
Speaker 5: was like, Damn, that's rough because could she have changed
Speaker 5: that vote with her team? Probably not, but could she
Speaker 5: have tried without any repercussions? It was not going to
Speaker 5: hurt her game one single, iota to say to fight
Speaker 5: really hard, just like you said to say some like
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna change your minds, Like no, you guys
Speaker 5: have change your minds.
Speaker 4: Like we've seen people.
Speaker 5: We saw Rasio, yeah, for me and the other one,
Speaker 5: we saw me like we've seen it, like like we
Speaker 5: still had that belief in her. We're like, yo, like
Speaker 5: you you you obviously want to protect Rassio, right, And
Speaker 5: I think like so much for he did want to.
Speaker 5: But then the thing that hurt me was in that
Speaker 5: confessional when she said, you know they want to put
Speaker 5: him in and like why should I stop them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I just was like, ooh, like this guy, like uh,
Speaker 5: the way that he has her back and he mentions
Speaker 5: it later on the game like I thought my actions
Speaker 5: was speak louder than my words.
Speaker 4: He doesn't talk that much.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of conversations about how he does
Speaker 5: need to talk more. Me and Hi would talk because
Speaker 5: I was like, last game, you didn't have power. I
Speaker 5: get it, you got you were just kind of subject
Speaker 5: to being thrown in. But this game, you are a
Speaker 5: presence in a force in this house.
Speaker 4: You're somebody.
Speaker 3: I never realized he was so I mean, like okay
Speaker 3: in Rider Dies, I just thought he was the hot,
Speaker 3: brooding type, you know, but when he came on the podcast,
Speaker 3: he was great with Anissa and me, like he was
Speaker 3: talking it so hearing everyone in the house, and the
Speaker 3: consensus being that he's sort of this silent type is
Speaker 3: really I wonder how many listeners are surprised by that,
Speaker 3: because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I find that a little bit surprising.
Speaker 3: I also wonder if maybe Olivia was targeting him, because
Speaker 3: deep down she's really just hurt, right, like maybe they
Speaker 3: speak two different language.
Speaker 5: They do, they definitely do, but it was just I
Speaker 5: don't know, and I'm the biggest benefit of the doubt
Speaker 5: person for everyone. So it's it's sometimes my jutriment, but
Speaker 5: it's not something I feel like I would ever want
Speaker 5: to change. It was just the actions, not words saying
Speaker 5: like Maurice talks about it at the bar, Olivia kind
Speaker 5: of over like ignores it, but Rastio brings up.
Speaker 4: It's like Yo, at this point of the game, he
Speaker 4: had had.
Speaker 5: The most tied for the most opportunity, yeah, of power,
Speaker 5: and he had been consistently protecting Jay all the people
Speaker 5: they said he would, and so for them to turn
Speaker 5: around and just say like, well, you know, we don't
Speaker 5: really know where you're at. It's like, how about you
Speaker 5: pay attention to what I've done, Like like, yeah, if
Speaker 5: we're not talking, I get it, but have a nice show.
Speaker 5: Why don't actions speak louder than words? And that was
Speaker 5: very disappointing, but at the same time, like it's one
Speaker 5: of those things where if you're a Jay or Michelle,
Speaker 5: it's like, well, I know you.
Speaker 4: Guys don't actually care. You guys are gonna do what
Speaker 4: you're to do.
Speaker 3: Don't want to see him at the end anyway, So
Speaker 3: they're just making up excuses. Because Jay also called out
Speaker 3: and kept saying when Maurice went to bat for her
Speaker 3: Man and was pointing out, you know that herosu has
Speaker 3: had so many daily wins, and Jay said, but he
Speaker 3: doesn't have a voice, so like he doesn't his vote,
Speaker 3: his vote doesn't actually matter.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Kylon?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like even on the times that he won,
Speaker 3: he was always going to be sort of overpowered or
Speaker 3: overshadowed or do you think Jay was just using that
Speaker 3: as kind of a strategy.
Speaker 5: I think it's a bit of both, because at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, he was still fighting for his
Speaker 5: those people. So whether or not it actually made a difference,
Speaker 5: I think the format of the game kind of was,
Speaker 5: Like I said, it was a significant factor to where
Speaker 5: if you have this large majority alliance, like normally they
Speaker 5: like a large majority alliance would lose people because you'd
Speaker 5: be able to we'd be going against each other in eliminations,
Speaker 5: but because of the Swiss with the champs, so there's
Speaker 5: no opportunity for them to So it's like, why do
Speaker 5: you do this without any repercussions. I could keep sending
Speaker 5: in the same people because nothing happens, and I'm not
Speaker 5: at risk.
Speaker 4: Because we have the numbers.
Speaker 5: So I feel like in a normal game, being a contender,
Speaker 5: powerful like player, a good player would have a lot
Speaker 5: more power, and this one definitely mitigated that a little bit.
Speaker 2: One thing Harassio did say that stuck out to me
Speaker 2: was at the bar scene when you know Theresa's fighting
Speaker 2: for her man. He was in his confessional and he said,
Speaker 2: I know my girls are fighting for me, and I
Speaker 2: was like, ooh, because Olivia's not baby, She's not fighting
Speaker 2: for you at all. But in his mind, and that
Speaker 2: wasn't the first professional in that episode. It was more
Speaker 2: than one where he's talking about he knows Olivia is
Speaker 2: fighting for him and he just hopes that she can
Speaker 2: see that he's doing the same for her and speaking
Speaker 2: to myself like oh baby, but she's not. But she's not.
Speaker 2: So I know, watching this back, his heart is probably
Speaker 2: like girl, he keeps saying.
Speaker 5: So that's the thing is that Olivia did was saying
Speaker 5: she would have a conversation and she would say like, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm having your back, I'm protecting you. It's like okay,
Speaker 5: like how because why why are we at risk?
Speaker 4: Then? And I think that not speaking up that was
Speaker 4: the issue.
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, like I don't need any silent friends
Speaker 5: in this game, Like I need someone who is willing
Speaker 5: to stand up and draw the line the sand, show
Speaker 5: their cards, show where they're at or whatever. And it's
Speaker 5: great if you have my back in some secret way,
Speaker 5: but it's that's useless to me. A quiet friend is
Speaker 5: a secret friend is useless to me in this game
Speaker 5: at this stage. So that was something that we had
Speaker 5: to have conversations about. And I don't think that Olivia
Speaker 5: like was abandoning Erassio or us. I wouldn't say that,
Speaker 5: but I would say that she was not doing all
Speaker 5: that she could, and that was what was heartbreaking because
Speaker 5: it's like, well, we were, and I understand. It's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you're in this in the middle position. You're in the
Speaker 5: super tight relationship with j Michelle with this power dynamic,
Speaker 5: and that's okay, it's totally fine.
Speaker 4: It's it's fine for your game.
Speaker 5: But it's just kind of like, but then don't say
Speaker 5: that you have her back if you don't, right.
Speaker 2: Right, show it. Let me see what you got.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: One thing and I want to know your opinion on
Speaker 2: this too, Devin. One thing that's sticking out to me
Speaker 2: because it's being said by a lot of people, is
Speaker 2: this person is keeping me safe. When does that run dry?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: When when does that not right?
Speaker 2: For her weight?
Speaker 5: I think one thing that I can do well, like
Speaker 5: I said, like I mean, I always uh have the
Speaker 5: most like social friendly sort of game side of things,
Speaker 5: but I can really read like patterns well in a
Speaker 5: house when you bring in a lot of variables. And
Speaker 5: so it's like, you guys realize that's why I was PREMI,
Speaker 5: like I said, I was telling Colleen, I was selling
Speaker 5: Raven early on. Like you guys realized that like this
Speaker 5: isn't good for you in the long run, Like these
Speaker 5: people aren't gonna have your back forever. And I think
Speaker 5: coming into the game, my takeaway is, oh, okay, like
Speaker 5: you can. Actually it probably is beneficial to not you
Speaker 5: can be friends with everybody, but to not have We
Speaker 5: see Michelle, we see it already with Michelle, we see
Speaker 5: it with well more so with Michelle. I think if
Speaker 5: everyone is expecting you to have their back, then at
Speaker 5: a certain point, like you're gonna start letting people down
Speaker 5: and they're gonna feel betrayed.
Speaker 4: And I think that it just is when does it end?
Speaker 4: At some point? Is the answer.
Speaker 5: It will end at some point, and it's gonna hurt
Speaker 5: feelings and I think it's going to create lack of
Speaker 5: trust that will probably be lasting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's short term. It's just a very short term plan.
Speaker 3: I feel like the to me the way to play
Speaker 3: this game. And you know, I get that like things change,
Speaker 3: but I actually feel like the way to go. My
Speaker 3: just be saying, look, my promise to you is that
Speaker 3: I'll always be transparent. You'll always know where I am
Speaker 3: in this moment and what I'm doing, because then you're
Speaker 3: giving yourself the space to move and adapt, which is
Speaker 3: what this game requires. And sometimes people will conflate reliability
Speaker 3: with loyalty. So even though you may not be on
Speaker 3: the same alliance, the fact that I at least know that, Hey,
Speaker 3: if Kylon says he's not voting me today, I can
Speaker 3: trust he's not voting me today. Now I don't know
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen tomorrow, but like we're good. That kind
Speaker 3: of vibe I find is actually really beneficial. And then
Speaker 3: also short term partnerships if necessary. So if it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're on teams of four today, cool my team and
Speaker 3: we see a little bit of that this season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I feel like that works too. So that way, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're not promising, because if you promise bits of yourself
Speaker 3: all the way through to everyone or a lot of people,
Speaker 3: then yet you you're gonna have to break mathematically, it's
Speaker 3: going to have to break. And then now you're almost
Speaker 3: at the bottom because everybody thinks you're a snake, right
Speaker 3: except for maybe the one person or two people you
Speaker 3: were able to still remain true.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 5: I love that differentiation, Like reliability is not the same
Speaker 5: as loyalty. I think that that's that's something that I've
Speaker 5: always valued is just like I'm consistent. And to be
Speaker 5: clear too, I always I always Some people do like, hey,
Speaker 5: you don't. There's not really a lot of rules in
Speaker 5: these games. You don't have to be transparent, you don't
Speaker 5: have to be loyal. You can make the snakiest, scummiest
Speaker 5: moves ever, but then if somebody calls you out on it,
Speaker 5: and then that's then you can't say, like, wait, why
Speaker 5: are you calling on this? That's just what you did,
Speaker 5: and going back to like scared, like I call out
Speaker 5: you know, Corey, I was like, yo, this is a
Speaker 5: scared move. It's like I didn't say it was a
Speaker 5: dumb move. I didn't say it doesn't make sense. Of
Speaker 5: course he's a threat in the final. Of course you
Speaker 5: want to if you are worried about your own performance
Speaker 5: in the final, you don't want the threats there.
Speaker 4: Of course you do. That makes total sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's based on fear of going against this person,
Speaker 5: and we're acknowledging that and if that makes you feel
Speaker 5: some type of way, and that's for you to deal with.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't make it untrue, Like it just is
Speaker 5: a scared move and that's not like that's everyone in
Speaker 5: the house, everyone in the house. It's abraidy to run
Speaker 5: the final like you should be. And a scared scared
Speaker 5: move doesn't make it dumb, but it doesn't make it
Speaker 5: not scared.
Speaker 4: And it's just like, oh, up to that, and everyone
Speaker 4: can move on with their day.
Speaker 2: You know two things. One, if we are all ever
Speaker 2: on a season together, I'm going to need blood binding
Speaker 2: long term. Both of you think I actually.
Speaker 1: Do think we'd make one.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, oh yes.
Speaker 2: But I also want to say, Kylin, the people have
Speaker 2: been trying you this. He is in ASAF. Cory like,
Speaker 2: what's going Let's let's go back to as because I
Speaker 2: want to get clarity because the man tried to say
Speaker 2: you was talking about his mama, and that's not what
Speaker 2: I heard, right, So you want to clarify that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I did speak on it clearly.
Speaker 5: I feel like that was the thing, is that there
Speaker 5: was the misunderstanding about what I said, because because I
Speaker 5: think you guys saw I sold. I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: his wife is a mother, she's going to watch him
Speaker 5: be like tell Melissa, hey, because your mother and my
Speaker 5: wife's some mother, I'm not gonna throw you in that
Speaker 5: that my wife will kill me, and for me, I'm like, goo,
Speaker 5: If I'm just holding up a mirror or a recorder
Speaker 5: or whatever to the things you said, and you have
Speaker 5: an issue with that, that's between you and you. Like
Speaker 5: that's I didn't say anything to you other than what
Speaker 5: you said. So that's what I feel like is your
Speaker 5: thing to work out. But I onlyink it was just
Speaker 5: the misunderstanding. I think also like Essaf, you know, he's
Speaker 5: a dramatic person and really likes to talk last Mac
Speaker 5: and all these things.
Speaker 3: So he likes are you referencing the recently made social
Speaker 3: media videos in which he talks about.
Speaker 4: How I actually haven't seen this. What is this tell
Speaker 4: me about?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: So Asoff recently did like a video addressing sort of
Speaker 3: betrayal of Melissa. I'm not gonna lie I didn't play
Speaker 3: the whole thing through. But basically like standing or defending
Speaker 3: his position in saying, he said, yes, I played Melissa,
Speaker 3: but she played me first.
Speaker 4: No, I mean it's not true. We saw it. We
Speaker 4: can watch the game. We can see she doesn't.
Speaker 5: Have an opportunity to play him in any way, So
Speaker 5: that is inherently false.
Speaker 4: But as far as like his perception of feeling that
Speaker 4: or whatever. That's fine, but then it's still a matter
Speaker 4: of like, hey, I did this move. I pushed on
Speaker 4: this nerve.
Speaker 5: And I pushed in this relationship and I use it
Speaker 5: to my advantage and that's not against the rules of
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 4: So it's like, go for it.
Speaker 5: But then don't be upset when people are like, yo,
Speaker 5: that was that was kind of messed up, because it is.
Speaker 5: And that's and you know what, if it gets you
Speaker 5: to the end of the game, you win the money,
Speaker 5: then you can, you know, ignore their people's feelings about it,
Speaker 5: but you don't get to say you didn't do it,
Speaker 5: like it's just the truth is the truth, and that's yeah,
Speaker 5: I didn't see it, but I think for me that's
Speaker 5: all comes down to. And I will say I will say,
Speaker 5: to Corey's credit, he actually in that conversation. One thing
Speaker 5: that made me appreciate Corey when I was like, yo,
Speaker 5: it's scared. He's like, I am scared. I'm scared of
Speaker 5: running against this person.
Speaker 1: And I was like, exactly, yeah, yeah he did. He said,
Speaker 1: you're very smart, You're.
Speaker 4: Sure that's funny like that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Does that mean you'd be less likely to say his name?
Speaker 3: To vote him in in the future if given the chance,
Speaker 3: because he owned like, Okay, so take a Jay and
Speaker 3: a Corey right.
Speaker 1: No, no, take a Jay and a Corey. Right, you
Speaker 1: get to vote each of them.
Speaker 3: Say they were equally as capable in a final I
Speaker 3: don't know that that's true.
Speaker 4: Well that's a question. Yeah, that's my no process. Well,
Speaker 4: now I knew where you were going.
Speaker 3: That's why I say, let's just say, for example's sake,
Speaker 3: you only have one variable. So we have Jay who's
Speaker 3: voting you in, but in like a snaky way, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of like own Dona, I don't know
Speaker 3: where you stand when he's just whatever. And then you
Speaker 3: have Corey who's like, nah, I don't want to go
Speaker 3: against this man because he's really smart and really skilled.
Speaker 3: You are now in a position to vote one of
Speaker 3: them in. Would Corey get a pass?
Speaker 1: Because at least you're like, you know what he said,
Speaker 1: I was a threat or no.
Speaker 4: It's exactly what you already said, Devin.
Speaker 5: Like the fact that you know where someone stands, Yeah,
Speaker 5: more easily understandable, predictable variable. So like if I know
Speaker 5: somebody for a fact that's coming out from here, if
Speaker 5: I know somebody for a fact that they're worried about
Speaker 5: this or not, versus like someone that I think I
Speaker 5: have suspicions.
Speaker 4: Or I believe.
Speaker 5: Then I want to keep in the variable that I
Speaker 5: understand because that increases mods of controlling it or at
Speaker 5: least moving around it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's good to know where a person stands,
Speaker 2: specifically you and Melissa.
Speaker 1: I would want to know we did a good job.
Speaker 3: Can I just say we held off a lot of
Speaker 3: questioning for that for at least, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would like to know where the two of you stand.
Speaker 2: First of all, let's let's let's let's go ahead. She
Speaker 2: leaves and you you just you know, like that's your woman.
Speaker 2: You done kissed her down on the elimination floor, I said, okay, Carlyn,
Speaker 2: And she goes about her business, and then there was
Speaker 2: some goodness that you forgot.
Speaker 1: She even if yes, people were saying you moved on
Speaker 1: very quickly.
Speaker 2: You you you, you're right.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: So a few things.
Speaker 5: One when m Lissa left obviously pretty sad, and I
Speaker 5: just wanted to address too because in the right after
Speaker 5: she leaves, she ended up getting pissed at me watching
Speaker 5: the episode after because she's like talking about the few
Speaker 5: that I basically was like, did my own little dance
Speaker 5: funeral moment. But I made a twist in it because
Speaker 5: it was because it was also Independents Day, so I
Speaker 5: was like, okay, cool, let me throw in Dan's funeral
Speaker 5: because I which I thought of on the spot. I
Speaker 5: was pretty proud of myself as like a big brother fan,
Speaker 5: and I was like, yo, we have some dance funeral element.
Speaker 5: And then also it's Independence Day, one of my favorite movie,
Speaker 5: so I was like, okay, that's you know, our Independence
Speaker 5: Day is declaration from the British. I mix those together
Speaker 5: made whole joke. Everyone's laughing. All of that context isn't shown,
Speaker 5: so it's just like, yo, Melissa's dead to me, guys, which.
Speaker 4: It's just like, okay, this was she She.
Speaker 5: Was pretty miss about it, but I told her. I
Speaker 5: was like, no, like, look up dance funeral, it's a thing.
Speaker 1: Did you tell her about it in person?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Tickets to yes.
Speaker 5: So, as you know, I did try and go see Melissa,
Speaker 5: but the scheduling wasn't working because I don't have an
Speaker 5: ally over there.
Speaker 4: And uh and the but I.
Speaker 5: Think that that's that's a complicated thing.
Speaker 4: Hold on, I give me a second. I wrote down
Speaker 4: a note about this.
Speaker 5: Let me, let me make sure I go to go
Speaker 5: to I love when.
Speaker 3: We have a guest that comes with notes. Okay, we
Speaker 3: have to take a quick break, but we'll be right
Speaker 3: back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready, you ready, We all ready, So let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and get back to the show.
Speaker 3: Because you're both very likable people. So that part like
Speaker 3: talking about talking about your lack of an ally. Okay,
Speaker 3: Big T and you and so we I think I
Speaker 3: think Day was too. But I was shocked when we
Speaker 3: had the girls on our Little Girl's Night Pod and
Speaker 3: Big T realized she's not the biggest fan of you'itting volunteers.
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's so.
Speaker 5: Many things I think honest Big Tea's Big T express reasons,
Speaker 5: which I'll get to, but I think it really started
Speaker 5: in the house, and in the house we just didn't
Speaker 5: get along because I am someone who I think coming
Speaker 5: from someone who's being on the spectrum, I'm super logical,
Speaker 5: super literal, and Big Tea is a very dramatic person.
Speaker 5: I think that's why she makes such great television. I
Speaker 5: think that's why she's so funny. She speaks in very
Speaker 5: exaggerated language and interprets everything to the most.
Speaker 4: Exaggerated, exciting way.
Speaker 5: The result of that, even as as you guys point
Speaker 5: out when in of your podcast, Dave Odd said something like, oh,
Speaker 5: are you sure that's like is this an illusion of the.
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: Because even when I talked him listen, I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: Think she lied.
Speaker 5: So I was talking to Raven for my first time.
Speaker 5: This is two months out of the house. Talked to
Speaker 5: Raven's my first time outside the house. Because Raven's sweet girl.
Speaker 5: We got along, we're friends. And I talked to her
Speaker 5: for my very first time. And I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, she's in going to school for for acting
Speaker 5: and all that, and I was like, hey, congrat some move,
Speaker 5: congrat some school.
Speaker 4: I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 5: How are you dealing with all of like you know,
Speaker 5: the social and stuff, because she's new to this world.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, great, like you know for sure,
Speaker 5: let me I'll let you know if I'm in New York,
Speaker 5: let me know you're in LA.
Speaker 4: Check up on you. Awesome click into the call. Uh.
Speaker 5: She expresses that to Big T and Big T because
Speaker 5: she's a very animated person's like, oh my gosh, Kylon
Speaker 5: calls Raven all the time, and he was telling her
Speaker 5: how much he really He's like, we have to see
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 4: We have to get it. And I was like wait
Speaker 4: what and like I had to check with Raven. I
Speaker 4: was like what what was she? What did? What did
Speaker 4: you say?
Speaker 5: She's like, exactly what you said, and she repeated what
Speaker 5: I just told you, And I was like, oh okay.
Speaker 5: And I even tell myself, I was like, I don't
Speaker 5: think big T is lying. I think the Big T
Speaker 5: interprets things in.
Speaker 4: Very answer why she's a chef exactly.
Speaker 5: Very artful, very animated and exaggerated and uh and then
Speaker 5: speaks those things as such. And so I feel like
Speaker 5: that was and then going back to the house. Even
Speaker 5: the reason why I Ravee even came up is because
Speaker 5: so I, uh, which I did. I'm a massage therapist
Speaker 5: as well. I don't really do that as a job
Speaker 5: or anything, but I happened to live with some massage
Speaker 5: therapy people who did like certifications, and so I did that.
Speaker 5: So going back, even a big brother, I would help
Speaker 5: people with like like not like even just like a
Speaker 5: you know, a soft central massage like I'll find if
Speaker 5: you like have a problem area, I can usually help
Speaker 5: you work it out.
Speaker 4: I try not to tell people all the.
Speaker 1: Time my left shoulders really bad.
Speaker 4: I got you, I got you. I'm I can do that.
Speaker 5: And so literally we had like massage days where there
Speaker 5: would be Jay, Corey, Olivia, Michelle like people would the
Speaker 5: would be everybody at once either all of as massage
Speaker 5: on each other. But then they knew They're like, Kylin
Speaker 5: can actually fix whatever's happening to me.
Speaker 4: So so that's what happened.
Speaker 5: So I gave massages to people and they're like, yo,
Speaker 5: Kyler massage Raven. It's like yeah, but like context nineteen,
Speaker 5: like KYLEU masa nine people in this house, or like
Speaker 5: it's sitting with everybody, or like you know, I'm sitting
Speaker 5: you go back to big Brother, like I'm gonna sit
Speaker 5: and cuddle with everybody, every person, all those things. And
Speaker 5: so Melissa or Big T was like, yeah, Kylon said that.
Speaker 5: He told Melissa he's she's perfectly fine with they have
Speaker 5: a deal over.
Speaker 4: Him to hook up with people.
Speaker 1: And I was like no, yeah, I was like no,
Speaker 1: what conversation never happened.
Speaker 5: The conversation that happened was when Melissa, when we were
Speaker 5: talking about her leaving, I was like, hey, like, obviously,
Speaker 5: you know I'm not We've seen what happens from past seasons,
Speaker 5: from and in a little bit in this season, from
Speaker 5: people who hook up with multiple people in their season,
Speaker 5: and it's not a good look, like ninety five percent
Speaker 5: of the time. So I was like, hey, I didn't
Speaker 5: say names, but I was like, no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: get myself in that sort of trouble.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, but obviously, like I'm a big.
Speaker 5: Physical touch person, this environment is stressful, I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 5: be like cuddling.
Speaker 4: With people and stuff. And she's like, well, I don't
Speaker 4: love that, And I was.
Speaker 5: Like, I totally get you don't love that, but like
Speaker 5: that's you know, that's me, that's my personality.
Speaker 3: Wait, if you guys were in an exclusive relationship, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you were, but if you were, would you
Speaker 3: still be like, Hey, it's a stressful environment. You're gone,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cuddle people or do you feel like?
Speaker 4: I think that depends on the relationship.
Speaker 5: I feel like if I I would, I would want
Speaker 5: to have a relationship with someone where we, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: can understand each other and want somebody's you know, needs
Speaker 5: to be fulfilled as an elevated thing, because it's just
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 4: But that's a different conversation.
Speaker 3: But the uh wait a minute, wait wait wait wait
Speaker 3: wait yeah wait yeah wait wait wait a minute.
Speaker 2: So you would be content and okay, would show woman
Speaker 2: snuggling and cuddling with another.
Speaker 5: Man, I mean another person period, Like love is a
Speaker 5: love is love is an exponential resource.
Speaker 1: With another attracted person that smells good.
Speaker 4: And for me, here's the deal for me, I'm saying
Speaker 4: a man, So here's for me.
Speaker 5: For me, it's like I know what I come in
Speaker 5: to offer in a partnership. You could snug with somebody
Speaker 5: and decide that, like you know what I want to
Speaker 5: be here instead, then you're just not my person.
Speaker 4: I'm not really worried about it because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: you can go do whatever you're gonna do.
Speaker 5: Because I'm like, I know what I'm doing, so it
Speaker 5: is and like like that is the type of partnership
Speaker 5: I like to build I with my friends or anything.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just don't think jealousy, uh is something that comes
Speaker 5: to mind.
Speaker 4: It's a very natural emotion. People all have come from
Speaker 4: their places.
Speaker 5: It's just not something that I put in those sort
Speaker 5: of relationships.
Speaker 1: Kylon said, if you're dumb enough to leave, I'm smart
Speaker 1: enough to let you walk away.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Amen.
Speaker 3: Now back to these plane tickets though, Kylin. Yes, So
Speaker 3: now you didn't go because you didn't have an ally
Speaker 3: slash babysitter. Where does the relationship Sam today?
Speaker 1: Have you seen each other?
Speaker 3: Because we recorded that episode a few weeks ago, so
Speaker 3: have you guys?
Speaker 1: Do you have plans? What's going on?
Speaker 4: I mean, the A lot of it just comes down
Speaker 4: into scheduling.
Speaker 5: I think that what we know is that in the house,
Speaker 5: we enjoyed getting to know each other and enjoy spending
Speaker 5: time together. Would like to spend more time together. But
Speaker 5: there's the logistics of it all. She lives on the
Speaker 5: other side of the world.
Speaker 4: I live here.
Speaker 5: I don't think either one of us having intentions of moving, So, like,
Speaker 5: what do we do with that? I don't know, but
Speaker 5: I feel like, probability wise, that seems very difficult to
Speaker 5: make something happen. But I would like to actually have conversations,
Speaker 5: meet in person and find out, like, hey, you know,
Speaker 5: even what could what I want to spend more time
Speaker 5: with this person. This is someone I want to spend
Speaker 5: more time with this someone, will I continue to get
Speaker 5: to know. I also understand that she has a she
Speaker 5: has a kid, and she has to be a mom
Speaker 5: first above everything else. And that's something I'm super supportive of.
Speaker 5: And even if that just as a friend, like I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be supportive of her doing what's best for her
Speaker 5: because that's that's how I believe like you care about someone,
Speaker 5: that's how you show love is like, my my love
Speaker 5: isn't like I want you to be happy if you're
Speaker 5: with me. My love is like I want you to
Speaker 5: be happy period, and whatever that looks like for you
Speaker 5: is the best thing. So we would like to see
Speaker 5: each other, we'd like to I think that we enjoyed
Speaker 5: getting to know each other and would like to get
Speaker 5: to know each other. But then just trying to be
Speaker 5: respectful of all those things and all those factors, trying
Speaker 5: to be both respectful and reasonable.
Speaker 2: You know what the social media streets, Twitter specifically are
Speaker 2: saying that she followed you on social media is.
Speaker 4: God, Yeah, it was literally I just talked to her.
Speaker 5: It was because of the it was because of the
Speaker 5: she just saw that speech and didn't understand. That's just
Speaker 5: I know, timing wise, I don't know how the sarcial recording.
Speaker 4: I messaged her. I didn't even know.
Speaker 5: Well, she sent me that video clip of just that
Speaker 5: scene and I was like, and I looked. I was like,
Speaker 5: she probably involved me because she sent it with no
Speaker 5: context and she's a very emotional person. And then I
Speaker 5: was like, I texted her and I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: yourm She's like, yes, that was a terrible thing saying.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, here's where I came from, and like,
Speaker 5: here's a joke. And then she's like, yeah, emotional on
Speaker 5: my period, I'm super I'm just hormonal. And I was like,
Speaker 5: I know, but I've seen this. I think she's followed
Speaker 5: me and followed me like five times.
Speaker 4: I don't know. She's she's firy, she's firy. I didn't
Speaker 4: get you. Yeah, It's like fire is warm, it could
Speaker 4: also burn you. That's that's the nature.
Speaker 5: It's warm to heat you up, or it could burn you.
Speaker 5: You know, you just that's the that's the risk of fire,
Speaker 5: and that's.
Speaker 2: That's what it will down to. You are ready to
Speaker 2: take the risk.
Speaker 4: That's a I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think I think she's good and and on Big
Speaker 5: Tea too, like like I said, that's not they're friends
Speaker 5: and and like I said, I if this is a
Speaker 5: friend that is positive for you and your family, then
Speaker 5: like I want to support that. That's something that's building
Speaker 5: up and adding positive things there just as a friend,
Speaker 5: as someone who cares about you as a friend, even
Speaker 5: like I still want to support that. So that's not
Speaker 5: something that doesn't get in the way of that's even
Speaker 5: going back to the game.
Speaker 4: Like the thing that's hard.
Speaker 5: With Big T is because you guys are asking about
Speaker 5: like people targeting them. I think you have this duo
Speaker 5: who on night one when we're in that pit, we're like,
Speaker 5: Big T, you're the vet, Like you gotta give a speech.
Speaker 5: So she gives a speech, and I'm just kind of
Speaker 5: cracking up, like especially like you.
Speaker 4: Know, the the the.
Speaker 5: Strategist big brother side of me is watching and I'm
Speaker 5: just like, wait, what are you doing? Because she she says,
Speaker 5: you know, guys, it's really excited to be here, and
Speaker 5: then she goes into this three minute straight declaration of
Speaker 5: love and appreciation for Melissa and just how like you
Speaker 5: are everything to me, Like you're, oh, you're my best friend.
Speaker 5: For life, like there's nothing that will ever come between it.
Speaker 5: And I'm just like, wait, like people like didn't have
Speaker 5: to know, like they could know that you guys are
Speaker 5: a friend and didn't have to know this. So I
Speaker 5: feel like in a game where you're always looking for
Speaker 5: a reason to target people, that made it really easy.
Speaker 4: And then Big T.
Speaker 5: Is the type of person who would come to us
Speaker 5: and they'd be like hey big T.
Speaker 4: Like she's like, so I had this genius plan because
Speaker 4: she's a gamer.
Speaker 5: So she's like, I'm gonna spin spind some lives to
Speaker 5: like throughout the house and see what comes back.
Speaker 4: And then people are like, hey, you're a liar. You lied.
Speaker 4: And then she's like what they.
Speaker 5: Were like, wait, just said that that was your plan,
Speaker 5: And it's not that it's a bad plan, but if
Speaker 5: it doesn't work, then it looks a certain way, and
Speaker 5: that's what happened. And so it just is like oh,
Speaker 5: like and me acknowledging the fact that people are saying
Speaker 5: Melissa's game could be improved by her not being there
Speaker 5: isn't the same as me pitching Melissa's Like what do
Speaker 5: you think she do? I'm like, well, if she goes in,
Speaker 5: that'd probably it gives you a shot, a better shot
Speaker 5: at you know, building different relationships and not being associated.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're still gonna be a threat.
Speaker 5: You like have only been eliminated from this game one
Speaker 5: time and the other time you get to quit because
Speaker 5: you climbed half a mountain while pregnant, so people are
Speaker 5: afraid of you.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it could give you a shot.
Speaker 5: That's not I'm not pitting them against each other. I'm
Speaker 5: just acknowledging the situation.
Speaker 3: Right, But you could understand how Big T might feel
Speaker 3: away because I know, if you know my best friends,
Speaker 3: man was like, well Devin.
Speaker 1: Went home probably better in the game. Even if he's
Speaker 1: being logical, even if he's right.
Speaker 4: I'll I I don't understand. I just saying like, yo,
Speaker 4: that's that's what it is you have.
Speaker 5: But Rascio said it like in this episode, he says,
Speaker 5: I wrote down no matter how much.
Speaker 4: They like you, they'll keep saying your name. Like for
Speaker 4: some people, that's that's just.
Speaker 2: True, right, Kylyn. Did you know that they were sabotaging
Speaker 2: sabotage in Carrassio?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, No, that was something that made a lot
Speaker 4: of sense.
Speaker 5: I was like, why, like, how are they struggling so
Speaker 5: bad and me, you know, like I said, I I
Speaker 5: have some faith in people, so that I didn't know
Speaker 5: that was sabotaging. I didn't know Michelle sabotaged me. When
Speaker 5: we were Sonny, Me and Michelle were partnered like non
Speaker 5: stop in this game. It was kind of wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she got so mad at you last episode
Speaker 3: yes he saw, yes, sort of. Mariah sort of brings
Speaker 3: it up but says that Kylon was like, oh you
Speaker 3: know you are you gonna savage? She gets so mad,
Speaker 3: she gets so defensive, and it's like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: you would think it, like, oh my god, I wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: And we literally one episode.
Speaker 5: Not even one episode later, go back to episodes she
Speaker 5: sabotaged me. So it's just like this happened to me
Speaker 5: the one time that she wasn't sabotaging me.
Speaker 4: She just told me this.
Speaker 5: I just saw her like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 5: and she's like, oh yeah, like that was probably the
Speaker 5: only time I didn't try and sabotage you.
Speaker 4: So I was so mad and I was like that
Speaker 4: insane but h but hilarious.
Speaker 1: I guess in its own Michelle is wild.
Speaker 5: Michelle so it just is. But I'm just aware. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: this is a this is what.
Speaker 4: What you're saying, what you're doing, and yeah, unrelated.
Speaker 1: Did Harasio realize that he was being sabotage?
Speaker 4: Do you think? No? No, Also, he was like same
Speaker 4: thing as me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He definitely didn't seem like he was like, oh I
Speaker 1: deserve to go in after today's performance, but it's like
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, No, he meant that fully.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's very I mean, both of us, like we
Speaker 5: just that was like after uh, well I made us
Speaker 5: when I.
Speaker 4: Felt like I made us lose in the the.
Speaker 5: One where we had to lock up the tower thing,
Speaker 5: when I when I cut up in my head, I
Speaker 5: was just like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, it's probably me. Then it's we're very much responsibility people.
Speaker 4: It's a problem.
Speaker 3: Did you at some point in this episode then, did
Speaker 3: Harassuo finally acknowledge Oh yeah, no, they do not like
Speaker 3: me or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, don't think that we that we found out
Speaker 5: about it in the house.
Speaker 4: I feel like, uh.
Speaker 5: Wow, maybe or maybe we did eventually because because Nourice
Speaker 5: would have known, she would have been ketan at some point.
Speaker 5: But I don't even know how how fun if she
Speaker 5: knew then or like just from observing episode. So but
Speaker 5: I feel like she didn't relate to us because maybe
Speaker 5: she thought we knew too.
Speaker 4: And we did not.
Speaker 5: We didn't know the degree to which we were being sabotaged,
Speaker 5: so and we knew the house was against us, but
Speaker 5: we didn't think that they would want to put themselves
Speaker 5: at risk because of the chaos things. So we're like, well,
Speaker 5: they still probably want to win because chaos. They were
Speaker 5: mixing it up guy girl, right, So that was the
Speaker 5: other thing is they were mixing up guy girls, so
Speaker 5: like sometimes they do guys back to back or girls
Speaker 5: back to back. So it's like, yo, you don't know
Speaker 5: if we're gonna be safe, you should probably try and win.
Speaker 5: But like I said, for some people, they we weren't
Speaker 5: playing with gamers that were thinking more than an hour ahead.
Speaker 5: So they're just like, wait, I want to make sure
Speaker 5: this person isn't safe. And then they're like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: I'm not safe. Oh no, But they couldn't think that far.
Speaker 3: So when you realize that you were indeed going to
Speaker 3: be House vote and that you were going to be
Speaker 3: down in the sand, how were you feeling? What were
Speaker 3: some of the thoughts or emotions that we didn't get
Speaker 3: to see in the episode.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love this game.
Speaker 5: Eliminations have always been my favorite part to watch. Anytime
Speaker 5: I'm watching a season, I'm like, ooh, I want to
Speaker 5: try that.
Speaker 4: It's usually an elimination.
Speaker 5: It's unfortunate that in elimination you're at such high risk
Speaker 5: because you know you want to avoid them, and I
Speaker 5: never want, you know, my game to be at risk.
Speaker 5: But like me and ROSSI walk out and we're just
Speaker 5: like ooh, like both of us are hoping to play
Speaker 5: this game when we see it. We love to play,
Speaker 5: we love to compete, and it's really hard to turn
Speaker 5: that off.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know, at that point it was
Speaker 4: much for me.
Speaker 5: It was much more of a matter of, like, I
Speaker 5: hate being at risk because I hate, you know, not
Speaker 5: being able to support my people and not being able
Speaker 5: to stay in and support them. So I feel like
Speaker 5: that would be and obviously the factor the drive is
Speaker 5: to win and the drive is to go in. But
Speaker 5: it's just like it was funny TJ would ask me
Speaker 5: every time I got called down. TJ would ask me beforehand,
Speaker 5: like how are you feeling them?
Speaker 4: Like it's the best day ever.
Speaker 5: And for me, it's like I meant that because it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: I get an opportunity.
Speaker 4: I'm here.
Speaker 5: First off, I'm a big believer in gratitude. So I'm
Speaker 5: here and I'm competing in something that I said I
Speaker 5: love and said I wanted to do, not just in
Speaker 5: this game, but in these eliminations. So like, how could
Speaker 5: I how can I sit and watch and yeah, like
Speaker 5: how can I sit and watch and be like ooh,
Speaker 5: I like I can't wait to do that? And then
Speaker 5: do that and then be upset at being given the
Speaker 5: thing that I was asking for.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't asked.
Speaker 5: For in the game in that sense, but at the
Speaker 5: same time, it's like, you know, it's just a place
Speaker 5: that I want to be. That's like it was the
Speaker 5: it was the best day ever that though I hear
Speaker 5: some people say it, because I would just say that
Speaker 5: anytime that I was asked like how do you feel
Speaker 5: about going down.
Speaker 4: Like the best ever?
Speaker 1: So when Brad pulled your name, You're like, this is
Speaker 1: the best day ever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And that's the attitude that I felt.
Speaker 5: You got it take in And also so it was
Speaker 5: so these eliminations are super late at night. This is
Speaker 5: actually really cool because they mentioned it was my birthday,
Speaker 5: but my elimination started at like eleven or eleven thirty
Speaker 5: or something like that, And uh, I think the thing
Speaker 5: about me as a competitor, and I feel like very
Speaker 5: similar to me, and I also talk about it a lot.
Speaker 4: Is that like we're going to throw everything at it.
Speaker 5: So I was throwing my body down that ramp, down
Speaker 5: that tower so fast in the corners that it was cool. Tyler,
Speaker 5: one of the camera guys, He's like, yo, I couldn't
Speaker 5: keep up with you when you were going down on
Speaker 5: the camera, Like yo, I'm feel like Bruce Lee now,
Speaker 5: like cameras can't even match. But we started like eleven
Speaker 5: thirty or whatever. My birthday this is the twelfth. My
Speaker 5: birth birthday is the thirteenth. So we finish at like
Speaker 5: eleven fifty, so I win this elimination.
Speaker 4: I'm soaked.
Speaker 5: We have ten minutes cele birthday, so they actually let
Speaker 5: me stay up there those ten minutes so that we.
Speaker 4: Could celebrate my birthday midnight.
Speaker 5: Like somebody said, that was one of the tallest structures
Speaker 5: that they've built in an arena, So I'm essentially the
Speaker 5: highest you anyone has ever been in this arena in
Speaker 5: this my favorite, like the coolest game in the world,
Speaker 5: and we're celebrating my birthday and it was a pretty
Speaker 5: That's a moment I'll probably never forget, so like how like,
Speaker 5: of course I don't want to be down there, but
Speaker 5: at the same time, it created one of the coolest
Speaker 5: moments of my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kylie, you are now walking away with Durrail under
Speaker 2: your milk, Like, how does that feel? As a student
Speaker 2: and a fan? How does that? And hueye, well, like
Speaker 2: we love you, we love you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so much hard, no, I mean my im like, yeah,
Speaker 5: my face is almost in pain at how big When
Speaker 5: you put it down like that, it's hard not to smile.
Speaker 5: It's hard not to be excited because it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: this is uh now three individual eliminations.
Speaker 4: That I'm that I've come out with a win.
Speaker 5: And the record uh for eliminations period is five villa
Speaker 5: record for the.
Speaker 4: Individual eliminations, I think it's four individuals. So the there's
Speaker 4: one woman who did.
Speaker 5: It, Susie Maestra, I believe in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 5: and then yes, exactly, and then Chris Underwood just did
Speaker 5: it unchallenged USA if we pull those sets in as well.
Speaker 5: But there hasn't Yeah, there hasn't been a mail that
Speaker 5: is unforced right now, I'm like run away.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, like that.
Speaker 5: It's hard for me not to think about these things,
Speaker 5: like I said, as a student and get excited because
Speaker 5: of how much I love the game. And so I
Speaker 5: don't know, I am it's such a crazy thing because
Speaker 5: it's like you almost I'm like, well, now I'm run away.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go in, but maybe I need to.
Speaker 1: Don't pull a speech. We saw some terrible politics earlier
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Please don't go doing some speech.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean it's crazy because oh Chatzy love Shadzy.
Speaker 4: That was a rough one.
Speaker 5: But it's crazy because like the hypocrisy in the game
Speaker 5: is the thing that blows my mind because I'm like,
Speaker 5: it's so natural and I get how it happens. I
Speaker 5: get how people that are watching can feel that way
Speaker 5: because it's like politics. You know, you're gonna make excuses
Speaker 5: for the person that you like. That's just the nature
Speaker 5: of the game. But like when you're doing it as
Speaker 5: a player, that's the thing that my mind because you'll
Speaker 5: see people you know, somebody said Corey says during this game,
Speaker 5: he says, like, you know, Raven, I don't know if
Speaker 5: she's with our alliance because she's voting against us.
Speaker 4: I was like, you gotta sent her in three times?
Speaker 4: What do you mean against us? Like, what do you
Speaker 4: mean against her life? What the alliance? The center in
Speaker 4: three times? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of delusion this, Like,
Speaker 1: I just there's.
Speaker 5: A lot a lot of well, self deluding, self deluding
Speaker 5: because you want to it's mental.
Speaker 4: You want to protect yourself.
Speaker 5: Your brain's like how do I protect myself from feeling bad?
Speaker 4: So it just creates stories and creates a perspective.
Speaker 5: And humans do it all the time, but in these
Speaker 5: games and these situations, they're going to do it even more,
Speaker 5: and probably to your detriment. Like this isn't going to
Speaker 5: serve you long term In the theories of these games.
Speaker 3: I feel like if they're just avoiding accountability, I feel
Speaker 3: like saying they're just being delusional or self delusion is
Speaker 3: giving them a.
Speaker 1: Pass for the lack of accutibility that.
Speaker 3: We are seeing in this game, and some of it
Speaker 3: even being carried over in real life, which.
Speaker 5: Is yes, yes, that's the part when they carried over
Speaker 5: in real life, when they bring it in, it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: you guys, how do you not realize exactly like yeah,
Speaker 5: I think, shoot, oh, I don't know. In this in
Speaker 5: this episode, a man will says, you know, I'm done
Speaker 5: with the boring stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm going to vote with the majority.
Speaker 5: And I was like, wait, like what do you.
Speaker 1: You can't blame him.
Speaker 3: He's been busy cuddling up and with half the house.
Speaker 3: He just popped up for air. He wasn't sure what
Speaker 3: was happening, and so he just had.
Speaker 4: To vote course of or you know what. I think.
Speaker 4: We saw it once again with Michelle. I do. I
Speaker 4: love Michelle. It just was in that vote. She says, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it's.
Speaker 5: Between you and Jay, and I was like, no, it's not.
Speaker 5: That's not how bad, that's not how numbers. That's how
Speaker 5: this game works. It is all of these people, you
Speaker 5: say any name that you want, So it's not I
Speaker 5: get what you're trying to say, but that's is factually incorrect.
Speaker 4: That's that's my point.
Speaker 3: And it's painting the narrative though, too right, because it
Speaker 3: makes it more powerful to be like, oh it was
Speaker 3: just between because it's much more easy for other people
Speaker 3: in the house or people to digest. Oh, of course
Speaker 3: she's not gonna vote in Jay, so she has to
Speaker 3: vote Kylin versus Na, Girl, you got seven other people here,
Speaker 3: eight you know or whatever other people here, and you
Speaker 3: still chose to vote in.
Speaker 5: I said, it's just the short term this, Like, Mariah,
Speaker 5: how many times are you gonna let them vote in
Speaker 5: your guy, like or put him at risk like you
Speaker 5: know before.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's been fighting now, Mariah's been fighting her
Speaker 1: little Heine office exactly. She's been fighting for the both
Speaker 1: of them, struggle busting and they just.
Speaker 5: Said his name like you know, the last the elimination
Speaker 5: right before. So it's just like, hey, why are you
Speaker 5: fighting for these people that aren't protecting your number one?
Speaker 4: Right? Kylin?
Speaker 2: Before we before we get out of here, I have
Speaker 2: to ask you when Jay came up to you and
Speaker 2: he decided he was gonna call you out and confront
Speaker 2: you about this conversation about putting him in, Okay, how
Speaker 2: did that make you feel? Do you think he was intimidated?
Speaker 2: Was he afraid?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How do you think he feels? I mean, he told
Speaker 4: you he said he felt he's afraid of us and
Speaker 4: he and he should be. I get it. But as
Speaker 4: far as the as far as feeling the game, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: It was just kind of like me and Jay talked
Speaker 5: earlier in the game about how like, you know a
Speaker 5: lot of people here in gamers, they don't really they're
Speaker 5: not really playing like that, and but he can't let
Speaker 5: it get personal, and he got he was.
Speaker 4: He was definitely he got a little bit emotional in it.
Speaker 5: Jay had even he saw the thing, He's like, you
Speaker 5: can't talk to me the same way he talked to
Speaker 5: everyone else. Jay has a big chip on his shoulder,
Speaker 5: and I feel like it's to his detriment.
Speaker 4: He seems like I'm Jay. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: And as a player, you know, snaky and trust with
Speaker 5: all those things, I get it. As a person, you know,
Speaker 5: I've seen this guy like he likes to help kids
Speaker 5: because he grew up disadvantage like he is, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: he's Latino. You know everyone knows that, and he is
Speaker 5: about his community.
Speaker 4: Super good guy. But in these games, like I really
Speaker 4: wanted to come in.
Speaker 5: I knew Jay had a history and survivor or being
Speaker 5: backsupped by everybody, and I was like, Yo, let me
Speaker 5: show you what it's like if you work with loyal people.
Speaker 4: I'd love to give you that example.
Speaker 5: And he just went back into his ways of just
Speaker 5: like you know whatnot like like I'm just not gonna
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hold this chip of the world against me.
Speaker 4: And it's just like, yo, you didn't have to do that.
Speaker 5: And and Jay's so smart too, Like I say it
Speaker 5: so many times and you'll see like he's like, don't
Speaker 5: talk to me like you're smart than me. It's like
Speaker 5: because you went to college. I'm like, bro, like I'm
Speaker 5: not like, like, I know that you're smart. That's why
Speaker 5: I speak to you this way, because you are smart,
Speaker 5: Like it is, no one's against you like that.
Speaker 4: No one thinks you're dumb. Everyone knows you're smart. And
Speaker 4: uh so, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's kind of hard not to feel like a little
Speaker 5: bit bad, not like in a pitiful sense like I'm
Speaker 5: just noting I'm pitying him, but just more like hey, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: the world's not to get you.
Speaker 3: You're being empathetic. You can understand kind of where he's like,
Speaker 3: you can see the pain there that causes him to
Speaker 3: maybe close off or move in certain ways.
Speaker 1: In the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly, and so yeah it's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Davion, that' because you're the mean one of the.
Speaker 4: Play was going to say.
Speaker 5: Before you, I was gonna say, we're getting lie. I
Speaker 5: hate on the orange jerseys. I'm I don't have the
Speaker 5: most fashioned sense, but I will. People are like, why
Speaker 5: does Kylin pick the orange one every time? Because somebody
Speaker 5: said how we got to pick my mom's ever color
Speaker 5: is orange?
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know, I'm just gonna rock orange.
Speaker 1: I will say the orange does look good on you.
Speaker 1: It really glows on you.
Speaker 3: But the orange pants that sometimes they're rocking, I'm I've
Speaker 3: it's now. I don't pay attention to it as much,
Speaker 3: but I was definitely caught off guard for at least
Speaker 3: the first few episodes. It really was jarring to me.
Speaker 3: But the orange does actually look really good on you.
Speaker 3: Are there any other.
Speaker 1: Notes in your little notebook that you want to share
Speaker 1: before we go get you?
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I'm not like or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But one thing I think about in this game is
Speaker 5: that TJ says NonStop, if you want to be a champ,
Speaker 5: you have to beat a champ. And I feel like
Speaker 5: that's kind of the theme of the season, and I
Speaker 5: feel like it's a true statement, and I don't at
Speaker 5: this point, I don't know who's to be a champ
Speaker 5: in this house, but there's not many of us, So
Speaker 5: I think, for me, are.
Speaker 2: You saying like you beat the champ and that's like
Speaker 2: your tickets?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it should be. I feel like,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: In the final, I didn't Champa, So.
Speaker 3: That makes sense because there's nine thousand and sixty, five
Speaker 3: hundred and six hundred all of y'all are.
Speaker 1: There's no I was thinking that day.
Speaker 5: And then even more, if you get to the end
Speaker 5: and you haven't been a champ, are you gonna call
Speaker 5: them a champion?
Speaker 1: So yeah, no under one hundred percent? Would are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Then I say them, well, oh, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3: You mean specifically in this in the I thought TJ
Speaker 3: was just saying the lines of TJ. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're sorry, that would be so
Speaker 3: dope and untold require because it's been a requirement, right,
Speaker 3: it's been a requirement before. I feel like after my
Speaker 3: season of free agents and being able to skate to
Speaker 3: the final it's been it's been done before.
Speaker 1: We're yesterday to.
Speaker 4: The final emination and yest Yeah.
Speaker 3: I played, I played very well and both times I've
Speaker 3: never been voted into an arena in my whole challenge history.
Speaker 2: Languages.
Speaker 3: It's okay day one day. Just remember I'm your phone
Speaker 3: a friend. When you go back to the challenge, you
Speaker 3: need a phone a friend, call me if I'm bitch,
Speaker 3: and then you won't wake a final again.
Speaker 2: So wait kind of gonna help me help you, But but.
Speaker 1: I would too.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what this is coming from the phone
Speaker 2: you if you're there, you know the other.
Speaker 5: Thing friends and everything reminds me because like I said,
Speaker 5: I mean I think I said at the beginning, but
Speaker 5: I want to reiterate, like you too make such a
Speaker 5: great show.
Speaker 4: Like you guys are entertaining, You.
Speaker 5: Ask one questions, you push, you push for the overshares,
Speaker 5: and we all love you for it. Maybe not while
Speaker 5: being questioned, but I'd say as fans love to listen
Speaker 5: to you both like bring in and playing the game
Speaker 5: obviously and just being so smart and entertaining like you
Speaker 5: guys create a very exciting show in a space that
Speaker 5: could easily be oversaturated and you do it every week,
Speaker 5: and I just want to give you both mad proples
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 1: None you try to make me cry. Oh that's very sweet.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kylin. We appreciate it so much.
Speaker 3: We love being a part of the podcast family and
Speaker 3: getting to do what we do, and we love having
Speaker 3: people on like you who are open and share and
Speaker 3: chat with us about it. And I know the podcast
Speaker 3: family listeners love getting to hear this insight and behind
Speaker 3: the scenes and walk through your journey. So yeah, thank
Speaker 3: you for living out loud. I told you last time
Speaker 3: we had you on. Thank you for being such an
Speaker 3: advocate and a representative of neurodivergence and just incorporating that
Speaker 3: into the conversation and letting people know that it looks
Speaker 3: different in a lot of different ways and there there's
Speaker 3: superpowers within that. And then I mean, I know you're
Speaker 3: taken by Melissa, but for everyone else listening, I mean,
Speaker 3: the dude is good with massages, okay, very logical, problem solver, respectful,
Speaker 3: emotionally intelligent.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at that. There you go.
Speaker 3: For those who want to keep up with that or
Speaker 3: maybe learn some of your massage techniques, where can they
Speaker 3: find you?
Speaker 4: Social media? It's Kyland Young everywhere.
Speaker 5: Kyland dot Young actually on Twitter is the only one
Speaker 5: that's not Kyland Young and yeah, and we hang out
Speaker 5: live there and talk about the episode. So feel free
Speaker 5: to come by the lives on TikTok and yeah, excited
Speaker 5: to see you soon.
Speaker 4: So fin that can about it?
Speaker 2: Okay, well my first introduction, I'm gonna come on your line.
Speaker 2: I'm come on, yeah to perfect you're not saying, you're
Speaker 2: not saying yeah I know?
Speaker 5: Oh no, yes, oh no, yes please I'm inviting you anytime.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, thank you both. I really appreciate it you guys. Yeah, thanks,
Speaker 4: thanks for thanks for the time.
Speaker 3: What a birthday celebration. Klan is really such a delight. Also,
Speaker 3: I really do need him to look at my shoulder day.
Speaker 3: For those of you who want to follow along with
Speaker 3: whatever secret hidden talent skills you have, we're have to
Speaker 3: quizzy about that one day.
Speaker 1: Where can they find you on social Oh lord, you're.
Speaker 2: Always trying to put me to the test, Devin. But
Speaker 2: the people can find me on Twitter at day Davon Underscore.
Speaker 2: They can also find me on the instagrams at Davon
Speaker 2: and Diane underscore And for now, that is where you
Speaker 2: can find.
Speaker 3: Me in TikTok Lives coming soon, Take Talk Lives coming soon.
Speaker 2: That's right, you see, hold my feet to the fire,
Speaker 2: right accountability partner. Everybody gets you one. Where can the
Speaker 2: people find you, Devin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need you to figure out TikTok lives so
Speaker 1: then you can teach me how to do it. But
Speaker 1: you guys, for now, come find me on my website,
Speaker 1: devinsimone dot com.
Speaker 3: Please go down to the bottom. You'll see my socials.
Speaker 3: It's all pretty consistent. On Instagram, Devin Simone. Uh, that's
Speaker 3: where I post probably the most stuff. Also on Twitter,
Speaker 3: I respond sometimes TikTok Lives coming soon, but you can
Speaker 3: follow me on TikTok at Devin Simone as well, all
Speaker 3: sorts of fun stuff and then of course Amazon. You
Speaker 3: can just google devinsimone and Amazon and it'll come up.
Speaker 3: It's called Devin Simone's Gift Closet. But we do lives
Speaker 3: there and sometimes I do it with Natalie Negratti, so
Speaker 3: former challenger Big brother er as well, a lot of
Speaker 3: fun and we love to shout out challengers. So yeah,
Speaker 3: join the fun.
Speaker 2: Love that, Devin Simone. Devin with the y Simone.
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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, kyn