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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back today. We got a three time champion Division

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Speaker 2: three to three Pete man, this guy has an incredible perspective. Jelani,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you introduce our guests. You guys had

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Speaker 2: a drink of water together in the league in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two with the Lakers. You're still tight today.

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Speaker 2: So who do we have the pleasure of speaking with today?

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Speaker 3: We have no other than Devin mister Green, Hazelalies, George,

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen. Back to back to back champion, as

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Speaker 3: Devin said out of a Division three School three championships.

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Speaker 3: One of the best guys probably in the history of NBA.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I don't know too many people that have

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Speaker 3: a problem with Devin George. And if you do, that

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Speaker 3: says a lot about you and what you got going

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Speaker 3: on at the end of the day. So yeah, my brother,

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Speaker 3: no one another than mister Devin George.

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Speaker 1: Damn, that was good. That was good.

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Speaker 3: I was solid, man, I'm solid. You got me over

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Speaker 3: caf DoD and warmed up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: I care. I care, not that I don't for all

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Speaker 3: the other guests, but so you know this is my dog,

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Speaker 3: this person. Yes, sir, yes, sir, so kicking it off.

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Speaker 2: Jelani and I were talking and I think, like I

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Speaker 2: mentioned it at the top, but you're from a Division

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Speaker 2: three school in Minnesota and you don't just go to

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Speaker 2: the league, which is completely rare for a Division three player.

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Speaker 2: You go to the Los Angeles Lakers with Shaquille O'Neill,

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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson. Man, my first question is, like

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Speaker 2: your expectations and imagination when you found out you were

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Speaker 2: getting drafted by the Lakers. When you actually arrived there,

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Speaker 2: did it just completely exceed any thought? What would take

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Speaker 2: us back to those like first steps off the plane

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Speaker 2: when you landed in Los Angeles and then those first memories,

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Speaker 2: because I mean the experience in the transition. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you can find two bigger extremes in the

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Speaker 2: basketball world than Division three in Minnesota and the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers in nineteen ninety nine. So the best you

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Speaker 2: can paint that picture for us of your first days

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Speaker 2: with the.

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Speaker 3: Jota truth devis gone seasons.

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Speaker 1: No, man, Honestly, like the first days man, when I

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Speaker 1: got there, it was it was different. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: from Minnesota. Man, it's cold, seventy seven below zero, thirty

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Speaker 1: below zero winter, I get off. It's a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was a culture shock for me. Man,

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Speaker 1: it was really different. I had to get used to it.

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Speaker 1: I was friendly. I would speak to people, but you know,

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Speaker 1: in La man, you don't know somebody and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what you speaking to me for. I'm like, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: You're looking at me in my face, so I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna say what's up? Like people like, do I know you? No,

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Speaker 1: you don't know me.

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Speaker 3: So it was.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was different. But the weather, the holidays,

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Speaker 1: everything was different. I'm not I wasn't used to seventy

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Speaker 1: five eighty degree weather on Thanksgiving and Christmas there's no snow.

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Speaker 1: So it was. It was different, but I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Dev How did you have to learn around Minnesota is

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Speaker 3: not Los Angeles. So there's inside the practice facility, and

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Speaker 3: there's the Staples Center, and then there's moving around Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles during the time in Los Angeles, as you know,

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Speaker 3: early in your early twenties, How did you learn how

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Speaker 3: to move around the city of Los Angeles. Was there

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Speaker 3: any veterans that you have brothers. It was just your

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Speaker 3: own self awareness because there's a lot of dynamics. You

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, for I'm a visual learner, like

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Speaker 1: I can go somewhere one time. And remember got lost

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Speaker 1: a lot the LA highways. You know in Minnesota, if

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Speaker 1: next one, turn back around and go hit it. LA.

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Speaker 1: You missed your exit, you gotta get off. You got

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Speaker 1: was an adjustment. But really the Vets, me and tylo

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Speaker 1: I stayed with him every week. We ate breakfast, lunch, dinner,

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Speaker 1: every day. We didn't leave each other side. He was

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Speaker 3: And Lusky was out in them streets. Luski was out

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Speaker 3: in them streets exactly where to go, what time, to go.

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Speaker 3: How many people you need to bring to get in?

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Speaker 3: Lusky was tied in exactly exactly what was Tyler?

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Speaker 2: Was Tyler's hometown something Missouri?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always love that.

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Speaker 2: So setting the scene like for the Lakers, when you

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Speaker 2: get there, this is when Phil Jackson gets there. So

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Speaker 2: like three weeks before you get drafted, he signs with

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The season before you was kind of like a tumultuous year.

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Speaker 2: They went through three coaches. Dennis Rodman was there for

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Speaker 2: two weeks. But when you get there is when the

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Speaker 2: three peat begins. Jelanie was saying before this that you

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Speaker 2: were one of the guys that Phil really liked, and

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Speaker 2: I know that that wasn't probably the case for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Phil was a very particular person. He had his ways.

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Speaker 2: What was your first interaction with Phil? Did he give

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Speaker 2: you a book?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: What was what was that first first meeting or practice

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Speaker 2: like with Phil? And what did you think of him

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Speaker 1: Well? Really, Phil was the one that worked me out,

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Speaker 1: so like right when he got there, like I was

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Speaker 1: this draft pick, so he worked me out and I

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Speaker 1: was really there to be a crash test dummy. I

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Speaker 1: think they wanted to draft another kid. I ended up

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Speaker 1: having a good workout at the first My first thought

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Speaker 1: with my agent told me, hey, let's go work out

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Speaker 1: all stars. So I was like, why are they coming

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Speaker 1: having me work out? Well, Phil like different players, you know,

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Speaker 1: he likes different skill set, different players. So I worked out,

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Speaker 1: had a really good workout, and after the workout, he

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Speaker 1: told me, you know, he's like, hey, that was a

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Speaker 1: I said, I said, I go shoot Tomrow. If you

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Speaker 1: do more drills. I was in shape, I was ready

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Speaker 1: Like he just walked out. So two weeks go by

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Speaker 1: and my agent calls me again and he's like, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers want you to come back again. I was like,

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Speaker 1: for what, man? You know they got these guys there.

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Speaker 1: So I go work back out again. And then at

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Speaker 1: lucky last time, and now do that bleep again. I

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Speaker 1: think I did better the second workout.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then draft day comes, I'm gonna skip past the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they not drafting me. They got all these guys,

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Speaker 1: And that was the That was the one pick that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't holding my breath. Every other pick I was

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Speaker 3: Get some chips. The Lakers pick came.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like so yeah. So that that's that

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Speaker 1: And then we actually had the triangle right in summer league,

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Speaker 1: so I actually had to try and go on the

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Speaker 1: offense before everybody else. Then really in training camp, he

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Speaker 1: was harder on me because he's like, you had this

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Speaker 1: knowing this, you know. So they was they were getting

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Speaker 1: my first interaction with Phil is what he worked me out.

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Speaker 3: But it don't take too long as a player, if

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Speaker 3: you're in a workout with Devin George, it don't take

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Speaker 3: too long. Like if you're working out with other threes

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Speaker 3: it don't take too long to figure out Devin can

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Speaker 3: take it, you know what I mean, Like whatever the

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Speaker 3: little game you're playing, you know what I mean. Even

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Speaker 3: if he would answer innocently, it's almost because where he

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Speaker 3: don't want to no disrespect, but it's almost his first

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Speaker 3: inner child answer. It's so pure. It's like, if that's

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Speaker 3: the game you can play, we can do it again.

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Speaker 3: Like if it's a challenge. You know, devis always been

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Speaker 3: you got lucky, but we can run it back. I

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Speaker 3: ain't got nowhere to be, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So that to me, we were just talking about this, Dylan.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said he was one of Pj's favorites,

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Speaker 3: is because he was impervious to those little games and

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Speaker 3: when it was time for it, like if you call

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Speaker 3: his bluff, he would be like, okay, running now in churches.

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Speaker 3: Devin would have did that workout in churches, church shocks, shorts,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Whatever, whatever it was the

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Speaker 3: he was just it was no problem. So that's as

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Speaker 3: a player, if I'm with him, if we're working out

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Speaker 3: and number three like you start to learn, oh okay,

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Speaker 3: they're probably gonna go with him because you can see,

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Speaker 3: you know, if he say something and your face wrinkles

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Speaker 3: too demonstrative, he puts you in another pile. If it's

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Speaker 3: see you working off the left side of the brain,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's now he's interested.

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Speaker 1: Look I tell you what, my first probably four or

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Speaker 1: five years, probably fifty year, I think coach kind of

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Speaker 1: been doing. So from the moment I got there, from

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Speaker 1: a rookie year, first year, he was on me. George yelling, yelling,

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Speaker 1: this man film room talking about me. You did this

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Speaker 1: wrong film session. Every time it's always me, nobody else.

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Speaker 1: Second year, same thing. I'm like, I'm a vet. Now

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Speaker 1: he gonna leave me alone. No, third year, same thing,

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Speaker 1: a me, fourth year all we all me. He finally

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Speaker 1: sat me down. We get to New York, you know,

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Speaker 1: we dropping roll. We trying to get out and go

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Speaker 1: eat and do whatever we do. And he's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I need you come up to my room. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: come on, coach me in New York. Man, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get out and go. Let's go. Now, I need

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Speaker 3: I wanted to play. It's playing for chips. I felt like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's tough sitting there, especially knowing like when it's not

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Speaker 1: It means everything to us. You know, some guys are

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Speaker 3: tell you that fact. I didn't have that. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me as a twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: Calling my dad after every game? Hey, man, you see that?

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Speaker 3: Death stop me if I'm wrong. You would go from

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Speaker 3: wrong in it? That's that's what that's what that's what

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Speaker 3: Then he'd be like Devin and you look up, as

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Speaker 2: Was yep, shout at the pops again. I think it's like,

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Speaker 2: I think the media had a field day with that.

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Speaker 2: What was that energy like with Kobe because people have

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Speaker 2: talked about it before from Jalen Rose on the Pacers,

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Speaker 2: how his own teammates kind of didn't not like like him,

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Speaker 2: but he had all this swagger and confidence as a

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00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 2: twenty one year old taking the big shots in the finals. Like,

429
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: what was the dynamic early on your rookie year with

430
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 2: Kobe and the rest of the team Because you mentioned

431
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: the vets up top like Brian shaw A, C. Green,

432
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 2: John Sally, like these are like dudes from the eighties

433
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: when it's a whole different league and then this young

434
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: dude is coming in here with his swaggering confidence on

435
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 2: one hundred, Like, what was the dynamic like early on

436
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 2: with Kobe and the rest of the team.

437
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 1: It was tough, you know what I mean, because he

438
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 1: had a vision, he had a place he was trying

439
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 1: to go, and it seemed like it was pulling teeth

440
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: because they were trying to contain him and say, hey,

441
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: go at this pace, go at this rate. And he's like, nah,

442
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm going it. We can get it now. I'm ready.

443
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know. And they're like no, no, no, no,

444
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: don't forget about us.

445
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 3: But what really?

446
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: And then I had a very close relationship. Even when

447
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: Kobe wasn't really speaking to the team, he was still

448
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: reaching out to me, and he was still calling me,

449
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: making sure you're good, Are you good? You work on

450
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 1: your game, make sure you do this, make sure you

451
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: get on here better. You better have this done when

452
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: we see each other, YadA YadA. And then when my

453
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: contract was up after my third year, he was in

454
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: there fighting for my contract. He called me every day.

455
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: Did they get the numbers right? Nope? Not yet. Okay,

456
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: I'll be in there tomorrow working out they get the

457
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: numbers right, Nope, they're getting close. All right, I've been

458
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: there tomorrow. And then so he was pushing for me

459
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: to get me my resigned contract, which he helped me do.

460
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: So that's the relationship we had, But that was really

461
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: and then so knowing that when I was getting so

462
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: I was a young rookie and then my second year,

463
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: I was always the youngest on the team. Him and

464
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: I were the youngest. Early on, he had stripes. I

465
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: didn't he had, you know, he was he was getting

466
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: re signed promised. I was just a young snot he

467
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: knows rookie, so they would I had to do all

468
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: the rookie duties year after year, the bags I had,

469
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, do all the I had to get hayes

470
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: from all the guys. And I would be looking for

471
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 1: him like, hey man, you got stripes many Hey if

472
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: you tell him back off, they'll back off. And he

473
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: just looked at me like just do it. I'm like,

474
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: come on, man, speak up for me. But it was

475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: so that that was the relationship. But I think it

476
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: was just he was ready to go, and they was like, nah,

477
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: young fella, you know what I mean, we've been here

478
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: doing this to go at this rate, go at this pace.

479
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, now we're gonna go this FAST's.

480
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: I asked Jolannie. I asked Jilanni, this too one of

481
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: our first Uh but so did you hear so much

482
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: about like the transformation to the black Mamba. Did his

483
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: mindset actually change it all or did his abilities just

484
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: kind of match up with who he thought?

485
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: Uh of he was no, his his IQ and his

486
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: his brain just got more. But his mentality. He's always

487
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: had that competitive, fiery, you know mentality. Extremely talent, god

488
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: given talent, talented, But he just got smarter and smarter,

489
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: and he started understanding. He started playing really the old cliche.

490
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: He was playing where everybody else is playing checkers. He

491
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: knew how you were gonna try to guard me. He

492
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: knew what plays you were gonna try to run against him.

493
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: He knew what plays he could run against you. He

494
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: knew how to manipulate the defense. He knew how to

495
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: get through double teams and how to shoot over him.

496
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: He just he was a step ahead of everybody else.

497
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: He knew on a nightly basis, depending on the matchup,

498
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: who he needed, who he needed better for that night

499
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: or that road trip. Right, So he would come to this.

500
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: He would come to Devin on when we go to

501
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: Texas and do the Texas Trio or whatever whatever we

502
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: call that, and he was like, look, he gonna come here.

503
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you here. That's a three you know

504
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: what I mean? When win and winner, he kick here.

505
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: When don't we do the two pass? He'll tell you

506
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 3: in and out in the triangle setting. Then he would

507
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: tell you how to react when he would break the

508
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: triangle and where you would be at and where he

509
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: would look for you. I promise you if you would

510
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 3: listen to the man and get to the spot, would

511
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: sound randomness hill he would, so it'd be so specific

512
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: you'd be like, yeah, whatever. But if you would get

513
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: to that spot, the ball would be there. You be

514
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: dead on and you just had to work on that shot,

515
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: you know. And and that's that's part of being on

516
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: a championship team. Now, you know, it's it's sometimes the

517
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: stunt of development a little bit. But now you know,

518
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: now Devin knows, okay, but it would change, okay, Devin,

519
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: Devin knows. Now in the week before the long road trip,

520
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: he's working in them spots, you know, in the triangle.

521
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: You know, there's the garden spot, there's the pinch puss,

522
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: there's the two spot, there's you know what I mean,

523
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 3: you know where He'll tell you where you're gonna get there.

524
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna two pass to the top and I'm gonna

525
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: deny this and then the shot gonna come right here.

526
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: And now he knows the sequences that happen, and now

527
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: he can just go work out with that after practice,

528
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Before we leave and get ready,

529
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: and then he'd be on that road trip and he'd

530
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: just be hitting deaf dead would stop runs. He was

531
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: good out of time outs, he was good late games

532
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: because he knew where he was gonna be, he knew

533
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 3: where their shots was. He worked on it, just contant professional.

534
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep giving you your flowers because you know

535
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: this is what we're doing for unforgotten seasons. But I

536
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 3: had a first I'm just saying like I had a

537
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: first glance to what success looks like in the NBA

538
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: when you're not a five star. I was a McDonald's

539
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: All American. I was all this in college. I hold records,

540
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You know, if you don't

541
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: have the right tutelage, you can hold that against your stuff.

542
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: It could stunt your development. You know, I'm making it

543
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: the faces by the time. If I had played with Dev,

544
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: with a teammate like Dev in my first three years,

545
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: like we talked about this, Dylan, either a coach, a

546
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: friend on the team, a coach that believes on you,

547
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: it could totally change how your career goes, totally change

548
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: how they talk about you, you know what I mean,

549
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: how your triggers, you know what I mean, the whole thing.

550
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 3: And he had an opportunity to have some great veterans

551
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: underneath the championship environment. You know what I mean, that

552
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: he was willing to know he was healthy enough to

553
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: accept the blessing.

554
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: You know what you said something too, how you said

555
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: how you started your career, You know what I mean.

556
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: It was just it was a lot going on. But

557
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: and then I went back when we were at the

558
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: at Kobe statue, his revealing, and when I was it

559
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: just hit me listening to Phil Jackson talk about the progression,

560
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: how he worked with Cole, how he was trying to

561
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: get him here, and hey, some of the things that

562
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: he said that I heard him personally myself. Don't start

563
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: taking the game over yet. It's not time yet, you know,

564
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: saving certain things, you know, some of those things. And

565
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, we had great coach, and

566
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: we had Jim Clemens dad as a as a young player,

567
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: I had great perfectionist coach, text winner Biel Jackson. They

568
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: were teaching me and grooming me, so I developed no

569
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: bad habits, like from day one. They had the mentality,

570
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: we do things the right way.

571
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: This what's the homies. What's the what's the what's the

572
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: strength trainers that was rolling with Grover stuff?

573
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Is it which one Kata Jimta or.

574
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: Remember the staff he they came with him from Chicago,

575
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: right remember he requested yeah.

576
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh uh no chip chip chip chip chip chip. Yeah,

577
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: well he was, he was there. He was there Gary

578
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: Vet in Chicago.

579
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then they had like the strength and conditions

580
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: came from Chicago. They would they learned all the Grover,

581
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: all the Bulls teams. That that was the strength and

582
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: conditioning staff that was with him in Los Angeles. That's

583
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: what he was on. It was a holistic environment, you

584
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You had to be built a

585
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: certain way. You know what I mean. You lifted weights

586
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: like you like you had to. They was not the

587
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: fake track in NBA where you check nah you better

588
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: come in here and get this.

589
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah for real. It was and it was

590
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: a whole. It was everything. We were doing tai chi,

591
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: we were doing yoga, we were doing all kinds of stuff,

592
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: meditation in the room. It was. It was the whole,

593
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: the whole kitten kaboodle.

594
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

595
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about Shack at all yet. Is it

596
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: true that he bought you a car, a Mercedes. Is

597
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: the story about the buick in the valet?

598
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: Is that is that fall? Did he?

599
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

600
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: Did he did?

601
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: He really did? He?

602
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: Did?

603
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: He really give the valet driver a Mercedes to bring

604
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: up to you and you thought your old buick was

605
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: coming around.

606
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: No, this is what happened. So so Shaq was like

607
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. So for rookies, we don't get paid until

608
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: like November. You know what I mean, we don't. We

609
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: don't get paid till November fifteen. Were there all summer,

610
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: We got two months of the season, so we don't

611
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: get paid until then. So he takes care of the

612
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: young guys. We'll get on the plane. He just hits

613
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: you in the face with a wad of ten thousand

614
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: dollars bills. Man, or he'll have you do, go do something.

615
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: He had me go buy headphones. One of the crazy things.

616
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: He always had me go buy headphones. Give me like

617
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars, you know, headphones, like three hundred dollars.

618
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Go buy them, all right, I'll go to best Buy,

619
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: buy them next next, the very next city. Hey, I

620
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: need some more headphones. Man, What you do with the headphones?

621
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm like This is what happens when you got too

622
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: munch of money. Most people take the headphones off, wrap

623
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: them up and put in their bag. He just take them.

624
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: He just leave. Yeah, disposable. You got disposable headphones.

625
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we start, you know, start going to pick

626
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: up after him, Like, here you go, he left these headphones. Again,

627
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be having me try to go get them,

628
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: so you'll hold them. So yeah, so big fella. So

629
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: what happened was I think I was just wearing the

630
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: free cars out like the dealership, you know, if you

631
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: come in and for the Laker and he signed for

632
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: an hour or so, and if you Toyoa or whatever.

633
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: So I just rolled down whatever. And then you know,

634
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: he kind of got wind of it, and he was like,

635
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: oh you know, he was like, oh, hell now, he said, man,

636
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: what you driving? I said, Man, this is a free car. Man, Hey,

637
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: I just had to sign for an hour. Man, they

638
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: gave me a free car for a month. He's like,

639
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: hell now, said man, what you doing? And then he

640
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: said I said I went. I told him I went

641
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: into downtown La Motors and I said, I said, man,

642
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: it was uh man, it was back order. So I

643
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: had an excuse. I was giving him an excuse because

644
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: I did go in. It was back order, like eight

645
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: months for this Benz. Yeah, yeah, it was back order.

646
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: It was like brand new. Cool. So I go in

647
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: there note.

648
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: For doing yep and black, remember I remember, yeah.

649
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: And so so I go in and then uh, he

650
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: said what he's I said, yes, back order. So I

651
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: got a continuity roller, you know the little free joints

652
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: I got, you know, Toyota them. A man David, you know,

653
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: he was hey plugging me in. Hey, five thousand miles,

654
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: go on the car, bring it in, get a new

655
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, cool, I'm good. So he was like, man,

656
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: now hell now he get on the phone. He called,

657
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: he said, is it true? He said my man was

658
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: in there, YadA YadA. He's like, oh no, man, he

659
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: had one. And the next day they must have stole

660
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: somebody whoever had a tag and I had one. The

661
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: next day he was like, go get it. I was like,

662
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: oh man, but what he did do? He he also

663
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: my first Rolex We're in Milwaukee, and uh he had

664
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: his watch, got come and then he was like, he said,

665
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: you lik any of these? I was like, yes, sir,

666
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: that one. And then the dude told me the price.

667
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't like that. It's ugly. He's like, man,

668
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: stop playing, stop playing, He's stop being so cheap. Man,

669
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: Hey what you I was like, Man, I got looked

670
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: at my little per diem. I was like, man, I

671
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: got a little.

672
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: Man my move.

673
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, come on, yeah yeah, look at my per

674
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: diem little envelope, you know, envelope we get. I'm like, man,

675
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: how about the per diem. He's like, man, give him

676
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: what you want to give him. Then I paid the rest,

677
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: so he got me that that's dope.

678
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: Santa Shack m m mo money man. Always, oh yeah, always,

679
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: that's dope.

680
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you a little series of

681
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: quick hitting questions about the three P Right, So the

682
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand and

683
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: two championship, think about those three years and I'm gonna

684
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: ask you some questions. You got to pick one player

685
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: or team in that So the first question with that

686
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: three P which player that you guys faced. I know

687
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: the Lakers, you know you're not scared of anybody, But

688
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: was there one player in that run that instilled a

689
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: little bit of fear in the team or you?

690
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: I would say in each one, so like each year.

691
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, just the three combined. So of

692
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: those three years, are those three championship runs? Was there

693
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: one player that you you felt like and still the

694
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: most fear in thee.

695
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I would say, let me see, I would say in

696
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: the finals or in those playoffs, because the playoffs, Mike

697
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Bibby gave us problems.

698
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: Yep, that was my number one. That was my number one.

699
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave us problems like he gave us. He

700
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: gave us problem.

701
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Man he was You have to make video assets about

702
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: Bibby like he could do them collashes with the movies

703
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: about the matchup with Yeah, yeah, he would try to

704
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: make it personally. He makes some content with with some

705
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: of these match up whoever got the content that was

706
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: the problem. Whoever he did it was either a team

707
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: or if he put a person and he started splicing

708
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: the movies.

709
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: That that that's who we need to focus. Like if

710
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: he had a focus, like he would have like like

711
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: if he wanted he wants to cut the head and

712
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: snake off. So Bibby was like one of the ones,

713
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: Biby and Weber, but really it was it was By

714
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: that was really getting stuff going, they were picking roll

715
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: and he was hitting. It was too much, so it

716
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: was kind of geared around him. So we'd watched some

717
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: of his clips, then we'd go into a movie, you

718
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because I think I don't know

719
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: what his strategy was, maybe because we got shocked back

720
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: here with that that can't pay attention for more than

721
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: five minutes. So he got to spice a little movie

722
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: into it with the game film. So we're watching game film,

723
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: watching plays of the other team, and then all of

724
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a sudden boom and to go to a movie. And

725
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: then we got like three minutes, four or five minutes,

726
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: were watching the whole movie. Then it's back to the film.

727
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: Then it's back to the movie, back to film. So

728
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: I would say baby was one year. I would say

729
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: that second. Well, Tim Duncan was always an issue, always

730
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: an issue, always, and we had a philosophy. Man, we

731
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: was really like, forget him. Man, he's gonna get thirty

732
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: five forty, forget it. We're gonna really sit on everybody else,

733
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: like everybody else got We cannot let them got Bruce

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: Bone and Genobli, we cannot let them guys get going.

735
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: We really gotta put them down because Tim. I mean

736
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: it was really you know, we had one side we

737
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't double, second side, we make sure we double. We

738
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: follow him on the double on the out. But those

739
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: two guys, yeah, yeah, he just he was just man,

740
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: it was that was really always something.

741
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: It's always something with this guy. Man one of those Yeah.

742
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Man, it was just and it wasn't just like just scoring,

743
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: like he was blocking shots and twenty.

744
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: Rebounds, opportunist block, the points, the block in the fourth

745
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: quarter where say the league, it's like when he when

746
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: he gets the blocks and when he chose to get

747
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: a twenty rebound night, it was weird. It's like, dude,

748
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: what's come on with this? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't.

749
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: It almost doesn't make sense because you look at I mean,

750
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: he's probably uh, you know, everybody would agrees, you know,

751
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: top ten, top to fifteen player ever. And I feel

752
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: like with all of his peers in that group, you

753
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: can point to like one thing in their game that

754
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: they just did like abnormally well, athleticism, shooting, whatever. But

755
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: with Duncan, it was all it just seemed like untraditional

756
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: and like it almost didn't make sense. But every I mean,

757
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: he twenty and ten for twenty years.

758
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: With the same fast yeah nothing just no no movement,

759
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: just sit there looking around killing. So I would say

760
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: those are my two playoff guys that we really like you.

761
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: Sorry, Bary. You know what Tim Duncan's talking shit was.

762
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: He would give you a compliment like if you hit him,

763
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: and he'd be like, he wouldn't say nothing, but then

764
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: you hit him with something right when you like, yeah,

765
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: that's how it's gonna be tonight. You would almost like score,

766
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: you know in Biggs, once we score in the middle,

767
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: like yeah, and I'm coming right back up in here,

768
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: and that's how it's gonna be all night. His off

769
00:36:53,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: thing was good move Jo Lonnie. And that's why he

770
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: would I rate Ticket. That's why him and Ticket would

771
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: get up to it so much, right because and then

772
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: and then he was like, that's a good move, Kevin.

773
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

774
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: Continue continuing down the line with the questions for you

775
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: toughest wing matchup in that in that three people, oh.

776
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: In the three peete, uh, let's see here, who did

777
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: we play?

778
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: I would say, got Sacramento, You got Phoenix, Portland, Indiana.

779
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: I would say all of them. I would say Sacramento.

780
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Heto and page. It was tough that I was really

781
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: studying my film bond Zi and Pipping was tough. Like

782
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Pippen was just made you go crazy because he knew

783
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: what we were running, he knew the lanes to get in.

784
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: His arms reached across the court, you know what I mean.

785
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: So that was tough. Finals, you know, Kenya Martin was

786
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: just too extremely wiry, and Richard Jefferson, So it was

787
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: it was a lot of those were usually my matchups

788
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: that I was really honed in on looking at my

789
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: DVD watching like whoa, okay, I got to bring it tomorrow.

790
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: So the Kings in two thousand and two and the

791
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: Blazers in two thousand are like two of the teams

792
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: that people describe as like best teams never to win

793
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: a championship. Was what, in your eyes was one of

794
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: them better than the other? The two thousand Blazers or

795
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: the two thousand and two Kings.

796
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: Man, oh, that is a great question. I would say,

797
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: who do I think is the best out of those two? Man?

798
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: They were really that's a tough question.

799
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, yeah, yeah.

800
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: They had different threats, like like the Kings had like

801
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: that ball movement, back door cuts and shooting where like

802
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: you couldn't pack it in because like they all could shoot,

803
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: so you had to get out there. But then you

804
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: get out and then they start running their elbow and

805
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: pistol plays and start backdooring. They had big men that

806
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: can pass. Bloddy and Weber could pass.

807
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: So what the triangle for.

808
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Real he did for real Lasers they were just like

809
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the Dogs.

810
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: One player, just physical scoring Shee Wallace and Jermaine O'Neill,

811
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: and then they had an old Sa Bonus that was

812
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: putting in work, and they had Scottie Pippen and Bonzie.

813
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: I think they had an old Steve Crafty Smith like

814
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: they were just that could just, I mean every last

815
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: one of them, like like it could just get downhill

816
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: on you and give you thirty every single one of

817
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: them players. So it was different. It was more like

818
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: the Blazers, every single ones you just take turn and

819
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: get a bucket. The Kings they gonna move it around,

820
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: poopoop back door you or poop poop you look up

821
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: three point So it was a little bit different.

822
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: So moving on, Jelani and I were talking and I

823
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: was explained to him how I thought that there were

824
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: like kind of different phases of this Lakers team, and

825
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, you have the three peet and then some

826
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: friction starts, and he stopped me and said that no, no, no,

827
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: he thought that two thousand and two thousand and one

828
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: were kind of the glory years, and then two thousand

829
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: and two. I don't know, Julyna. I'll kick it to

830
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: you from your perspective, because you were there in two

831
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: thousand and two. Some people just call it fatigue, like

832
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: championship fatigue. I mean, you're going playing into June July

833
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: every single year. But Jolanni, from your perspective, like when

834
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: did that, when did the pendulum kind of shift from

835
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: like honeymoon glory everyone loves each other to like the

836
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: other side.

837
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: After the back to back. That's the threshold, you know,

838
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: after the back to back when you competing against these

839
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: guys and I see Dev and the layup line or

840
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: you're discussing, you know, there's a there's a level of

841
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: communication that the fans and the coaches that don't know

842
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: that happened between the players and the layup lines and

843
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: doing the pre games where we check in on each other,

844
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: what's going on in camp, how the season is going.

845
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: Is very short and it's almost bluetooths of energy. Some

846
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: of this shit is nonverbal where we look at it.

847
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: What's up, how y'all doing? You know what I mean?

848
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean. It's just the thing

849
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: that you know happens with us. We can't talk right

850
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: here right now, but we'll talk at dinner. There's a

851
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: whole you know what I mean, thing that goes on.

852
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: And to me from what I saw, like you know,

853
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: the three Peter is a mofo bro back to back,

854
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: just winning it as the Lakers is a mofo. You

855
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: know you're talking about you coming back with Shaq and Kobe.

856
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: Now Kobe's peaking to me from the outside. And when

857
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: I got there, like the honeymoon was over after the

858
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: first two. The third is when you got like a pushbaby,

859
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: like now we have like a kid that we wasn't

860
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: expecting to have and he, you know, we not used

861
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: to having somebody in the house and now he running

862
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: around and all the other people are out the house.

863
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: If I equated to a marriage, Devin was there the

864
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: whole time. But it's not that it was nasty as

865
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: as dud'ess been together from September to June, every day

866
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: getting everybody's best year after year playing games with PJ.

867
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: Dudes want contracts, Dudes want more playing time. Some dudes

868
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: getting older, dudes want you know, now it's my turn.

869
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: Now we see this, you know what I mean. So

870
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: to me from the outside of when I got there,

871
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: the honeymoon was over and the third was like, you

872
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Okay, now is the real part

873
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: of the marriage where we really find out if we

874
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: really love each other, you know.

875
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: What I mean.

876
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Now we don't both put on a little way. We

877
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: not to find tenders. We used to be when we

878
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 3: first got married, you know what I mean, we got

879
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: extra bills. Yeah, we made a little bit more money,

880
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: but now we're spending a little bit more, so we

881
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: got extra bills. So if I equated to a real

882
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: world situation of a marriage, that's what my experience was.

883
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: Not that it was bad, it was just, you know,

884
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: a whole deal. This is a this is the three peete.

885
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: I let Devin speak to him. You know, he was

886
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: there the whole time, but competing against the team, That's

887
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 3: what I saw the third you know, and then being

888
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: there that third year and coming into the environment, to me,

889
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: it was more like, yeah, of course, of course, everybody's beefing,

890
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: getting on each other's nerves a little bit. But this

891
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: is all they've been doing for the last three years.

892
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: It's tough.

893
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: It's tough, man, You're I mean, you're right on point.

894
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: It's tough to continue to have that year after year,

895
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: that fire win championships. And we even noticed it amongst

896
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: ourselves in the celebration the first celebration, everybody's going crazy champagne,

897
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: like a third chat third, everybody's kind of high five

898
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: and and just pouring, you know, it just kind of

899
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: it's natural. And then so that's kind of, you know,

900
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: we kind of went downhill, and then guys get tired. Man.

901
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: That's a law season. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, on the road, breakfast, lunch, dinner,

902
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: come home, breakfast, lunch. We're on the planes, in practice,

903
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: in film, we're with each other every day, getting on

904
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: each other's nerves, just like anybody else. So yeah, so

905
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: he's right on point. It's hard to keep that up.

906
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: Win a championship, win a championship, keep it going, keep

907
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: it going. But yeah, he's on point with that.

908
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: And we know we under the belly at we know

909
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: everybody where, everybody sawt under the belly at. We all

910
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 3: like little brothers and big brothers, so we know when

911
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: the po where the pope. We know the little the

912
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: right jokes to make you know what I mean, We

913
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: know when to say nothing. It's just like everybody, there's

914
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: no there's not a lot of transparency, bro, you know

915
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: what I mean off the court, on the court, so

916
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: that people know how to get your goat. I guess.

917
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: How do you look at the Warriors right now? I

918
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: mean they stuck together way longer than that Lakers Corp.

919
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: Did?

920
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: But do you see them reaching the top of the

921
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: mountain or once once it fade? Is it kind of

922
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: too far gone?

923
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: I think one. I think it's fading because of age.

924
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: I think they're just they're just not as youthful as

925
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: they used to be. If they were young, I'd be

926
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: like they'd be back. But I think it's just the

927
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: age is catching up. The game is getting younger, and

928
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: these young guys are coming. Like there's just young teams

929
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: that are just popping up. Minnesota's starting to do something,

930
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma starting to do something. The Kings right here down

931
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: the street, you know, they they even tested them last

932
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: year and had to have Steph pull out a heroic

933
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: veteran fifty point fifty piecer to get over that. I

934
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: bet if they probably meet again, they probably the Kings

935
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: are probably you know, beat them pretty bad, you know

936
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: now that they have the experience because they were the

937
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: younger team. They were the younger them. They were up

938
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: and down like the Warriors. Can't get up and down

939
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: like King Ken anymore. So, you know, that's what I

940
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: see about the Warriors. You know, that was my last

941
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: year playing there. I played with Steph's rookie year and

942
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: that was my last year playing. So but I see

943
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: them kind of needing to retool and get younger. I

944
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: think they're doing good, but playing the young kid kaminga,

945
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: I think that's they.

946
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you gotta hope, you got you got,

947
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: you got, you gotta, you gotta hope that.

948
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if i'm if i'm them, I'm gonna put some

949
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: money down and put some chips down and just say, hey,

950
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: go go do it. Let him go through the fire,

951
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: let him go up and down and see what he's doing.

952
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: So I think that could be that can help him

953
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: because he's.

954
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: Man, which is actually like your culture letting young people

955
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: flourish and living with mistakes. That's how they got to

956
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: the Warriors things.

957
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: So Draymond, remember Draymond and replacing David Lee. Has they

958
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: got there?

959
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

960
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: So just wrapping up here a couple more things before

961
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: we go, Uh, two thousand and four. I think that's

962
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 2: the year, like Rick Fox gets hurt and and you

963
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: you play big minutes and start pretty much every single

964
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: game that playoffs that twenty fourteen Obviously you lose to

965
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: the Pistons and that's the end of it. If Karl

966
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: Malone doesn't get hurt, do you think that you beat

967
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: the Pistons?

968
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 3: I think.

969
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: And Horace was hurting so and Rashid was just he

970
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: was he was too much seven foot shot man, and

971
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: she was you know, he's a baller. So yeah, I

972
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: think I think we could have at least balanced some

973
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: of that out. And then really Carl had us working

974
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: with that triangle because that was in his natural position.

975
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Once we figured out how he can just get it

976
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: and cut and go. He he was making them passes.

977
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: We was cut and getting shot. So I think the

978
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: difference it would have been different.

979
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: Text time, even though you know the triangle I was

980
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: telling Dylan, even though you know the triangle and you've

981
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: seen it on video. When you actually put your physical

982
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: body in it, there's an amount of hesitation that happens

983
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: that it is messes, which it makes you look like

984
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 3: you know how to hoop for a minute.

985
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: It does, and the hesitation throws everybody off, like you

986
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: got to build it. It's got to be second nature.

987
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: Boom boom, I passed hoop ye And there's no play call. Like,

988
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: if there's a play call, he might say, he'll have

989
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: a sequence of actions. Hey do it this way, this way,

990
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: somebody might jump in that plane. I might have to

991
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: throw it there. Well, now we got to do that

992
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: other sequels and everybody has to know this is where

993
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: we're going. Nope, somebody, I can't make that pass there.

994
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: I gotta have them releases and so and so forth.

995
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: So how hard is it being like a role player

996
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: in a system with Shaq and Kobe. I was reading

997
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: something from Brian Shaw where I think it was from

998
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: two thousand and three where Shaq and Kobe were really

999
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: hard on guys like you and Medvedenko to the media,

1000
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: like publicly, I can't imagine what it was like behind

1001
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: closed doors, But I think Brian Shaw said something like,

1002
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, you guys are shooting sixty out of the

1003
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: eighty shots, so it can't all be us. How hard

1004
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: is it being, you know, a role player so to speak.

1005
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: Besides Shaq and Kobe. You spoke at the beginning of this,

1006
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: you know how how hard headed you have to be

1007
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: to deal with guys like Phil But what's that what's

1008
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: that perspective?

1009
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: Like? It's uh, it's hard because we may get four temps.

1010
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: That's hard. You gotta make you gotta two or three

1011
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: of them tempts. You know you're not getting no rhythm.

1012
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I may get a shot first quarter, none second quarter.

1013
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: I may get two shots third quarter and maybe another

1014
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: two to four. You got to make them count. So

1015
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's easy to say, okay, if I get

1016
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: ten twelve shots to get my rhythm. If I'm going,

1017
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, two for twelve, then that's something different. But

1018
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: we were going one for four, oh for three like that?

1019
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: Ain't you know? That's tough to get them when you

1020
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: get them to make them count and people only see

1021
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: the bull scores.

1022
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: Ye yah? How much pressure on it when Kobe prisses

1023
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: you the ball out of a double team. If you

1024
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: don't make that shot, Bro, you are not getting the

1025
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: ball again. Yeah, that's playing for the Lakers. That's playing

1026
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: with Kobe and Shot. Like if you tell you to

1027
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: be in that spot and he remember they say you

1028
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: used to shoot him between jubbles and triples. Bro, if

1029
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: you pass out on one of those and don't shoot

1030
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: one of them crazy shots and you don't make them shots,

1031
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: you might not see it again for another month. You know,

1032
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Shot hit you with a good pass and you blow

1033
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: something and take away one of his little assists. He

1034
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: loved to get assisted out to try and go. You

1035
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean, you blow one for him, he

1036
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: might not give it to you for another month, you

1037
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's the thing about playing another month.

1038
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: A month, Bro, a month, he's at a month. They

1039
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: ain't giving it to you in practice no more. They

1040
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: definitely ain't given it to you in the game. It

1041
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: might happen on accident. They might refresh their mind. But like,

1042
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: if you pass out one of them doubles and triples,

1043
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: or Dev don't hit the three pointers that he want

1044
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: Dev to make. It's the one that he need them

1045
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: to make to stop a run. Just you better make it. Yeah,

1046
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: you might you might not smell it for a month.

1047
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then just wrapping up. Obviously, shack leaves after

1048
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, he gets traded, and then you're

1049
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: there in five and six?

1050
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: Was there ever?

1051
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you're the only one there that

1052
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 2: was there for the three peete also like the best

1053
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: you can like, you know, was it Phil's gone to

1054
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: like with Kobe and just that general like vibe of

1055
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: those five and six teams when it seems like Kobe

1056
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: against the world, he's coming fresh off the case. Uh,

1057
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: he's you know, fighting with his family. Like what was

1058
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: the energy still decent or good or we did that

1059
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: shift into kind of a dark zone in that five

1060
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: six time period, just for like the organization as a.

1061
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: Whole, the organization, it was a different organization. It was

1062
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: definitely starting over. It was definitely a rebuilding. It was

1063
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: it was there was nothing that I recognized that year

1064
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: We're losing the culture guy showing up eight young guys arguing.

1065
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: It was just it was it was no structure. It

1066
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: was just it was just chaotic And that was just

1067
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: something I never recognized because we were all so disciplined

1068
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: but also structured. It was a pecking order young older

1069
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: guys talk young guys. We kind of spoke holdo on.

1070
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: We all kind of knew our roles, we all knew

1071
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: lines across. It was just everything guys fighting coming come

1072
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: in the locker room, guys arguing, coming to our you know,

1073
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: it was just it was a mess. It was a mess,

1074
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Guys not passing the ball to each other. Just no structure,

1075
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: no nothing. So so yeah, it was tough.

1076
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: At the same time, dev there's a lot of stuff

1077
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: that happened in house that would have never got outside.

1078
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: Like today, something happens now at practice or on a

1079
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 3: bus or woo woo to woo, you know, that's outside

1080
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: in thirty and thirty seconds to a minute. Like, there's

1081
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: a lot of incidents that that we ate that the

1082
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: veterans and because of the structure there was like the

1083
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: ain't not talking. Yeah that happened. But you know, a

1084
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: couple of things have got out, you know what I mean,

1085
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: because people decided to share their stories, and that's when

1086
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: people can decide to share from their POV. But for

1087
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: the most part, nothing really gets that we got out

1088
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: of there, you know, aside from the big Kobe Shaq

1089
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: alleged thing that was it all the and there was

1090
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: all kinds of other shit going on, trust me, within

1091
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: the fifth and seventh player, and the eighth and the

1092
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: twelfth and over to the fourth. You know, there was

1093
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: always something going on, but you never heard about it.

1094
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 3: And that's because when you're doing championship stuff and playing

1095
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: at that level, that's obviously part of the agreement. You know,

1096
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame players kept Kobe and Shack. That's

1097
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: another story we can't you know, that's part of the

1098
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: NBA machine. But we're really happening for the most part

1099
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: in house, aside of a couple of stories that got out,

1100
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: was pretty much, you know, everybody kept close to their chests.

1101
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: Last question.

1102
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: So the statue just went up eighty one. You were there.

1103
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 2: One of our producers, Lucas, shared a player's an article

1104
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: that that you you wrote, and I think, I know

1105
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of three statues.

1106
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: I think, uh.

1107
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: And people were wondering, like, you know, what is it

1108
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: going to be?

1109
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: Uh? What is that eighty one point? Kobe?

1110
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: Who is that dude to you? And and what was

1111
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: it like being at that statue unveiling.

1112
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: I was proud being there, you know, being a part

1113
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: of that history and then really that game that you know,

1114
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: the statue that's when he came out, you know that

1115
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: that was the that was the signal when he came

1116
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: out and when the crowd was going crazy. But witnessing that,

1117
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't realize he had that many points because it was

1118
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: like a battle. We were going back and forth. It

1119
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: was up and down. We were I think we might

1120
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: have been losing like by twenty the whole game, you know,

1121
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: and then we had to make a comeback. So it

1122
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: wasn't like we were up winning and it was you know,

1123
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: it was it was a battle. We need to steal,

1124
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: we need to start pressing, we need to try to

1125
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: get back in the game. So it was like you

1126
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: look up in the third quarter he had like or

1127
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: something like that, you got fifty four points. So we

1128
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: never even really realized it. But I think from all

1129
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: of that, I was just proud to be a part

1130
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: of it, just part of being flying or you know,

1131
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: just from seeing like man, I was a part of

1132
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: this history, as a part of these coaches, I played with,

1133
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: these players, Just proud looking back on things.

1134
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: Well, man, we appreciate your time. This was amazing, great perspective.

1135
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: I also know, you're doing some pretty phenomenal things outside

1136
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: of basketball in Minneapolis, trying to pour back into the

1137
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: community that you grew up in a lot of real

1138
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: estate developments. So just Kuzzio, this was great. We really

1139
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: appreciate your time.

1140
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Man.

1141
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1142
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: Well, last thing, Devin, you mentioned being proud of being,

1143
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 3: you know, around the league and being a chipping you

1144
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 3: know what, the league and former players, we were all

1145
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 3: proud to be around you and the professional that you

1146
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: were coming out of a division in three school winning

1147
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: three championships. You know, obviously doing well for yourself financially

1148
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: because of you know, how you set yourself up when

1149
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: you came into career. But like I said, I don't

1150
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: know one person. You can't get everybody in the league.

1151
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: We don't all vibe together. We're not all we're not

1152
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: all the same, newsflash. But you know what I mean

1153
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: for the like minded people, and you know, I don't

1154
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: know we're all good, but we call it, you know,

1155
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: just just from the people that you know, we're in

1156
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: the league that you know, respected people who are never

1157
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: handed anything and some of us who were handed handed

1158
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: things and didn't you know, did any equate to a

1159
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: career like yours, bro, I just want to give you. Know,

1160
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: I like to tell former players this when we're sitting

1161
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 3: down at home and you know, sometimes and we think

1162
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: about these things and we don't really accomplishments are the accomplishments,

1163
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: But what you've managed to do, what your basketball accomplishments

1164
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: is equal those as a good man working in your community.

1165
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: We all you know what I mean, We're all not perfect. Yeah,

1166
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: we all got our hangouts, but in the real skin

1167
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: of things, it's important for us to know that when

1168
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: we hang it up, like you know what I mean,

1169
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of love and like that we're

1170
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: all not do but should be expected. So you know

1171
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 3: what I mean. As a member, as a guy who

1172
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: competed against you, with you seeing players in similar situations,

1173
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, My hassle goes off to

1174
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: you for being a consummate professional and a role model.

1175
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: Really do d George, Because everybody can be five star

1176
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: and blue chip and WOOTI wooty woop. You really learn

1177
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: through the process and it's something that kids, professionals who

1178
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: are transitioning and whatever or going through things should really

1179
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: look up forward to. So I just wanted to give

1180
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 3: your flowers for that. You know what I mean, because

1181
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: that's always what I've looked up to you for. And

1182
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people other players have too,

1183
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: because that's why everybody stack loves you once you see

1184
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: dev you know everybody. Everybody can't FaceTime everybody, but like

1185
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: if somebody like you get a FaceTime and d George

1186
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: is on it, like you're gonna be like, oh, you'll

1187
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: walk out and you'll talk to g George for a minute.

1188
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: That's the highest compliment mints in our in our league,

1189
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: and you know, for retired players, and you know, that's

1190
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: what D George has. So that's my long winded forgotten

1191
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: season's closings are my dog, Devin George.

1192
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, Man, appreciate y'all anytime. You know how to

1193
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: get me and let's get the boys together. Let's do it.

1194
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 3: That's gonna happen the summer. That's gonna happen the sum Dude,

1195
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you in a minute. Talked about this.

1196
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: I just talked to Rod, So yeah that's all. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1197
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: all right.

1198
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you a little clip too. We got

1199
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: we got a championship game to night, so we do

1200
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and finish it up, and then

1201
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: we we let's get let's get them guys together for sure,

1202
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: m

1203
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: Y