1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Friday edition of the Clay Trevis and Buck Sexton Show, 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: also known as Clay and Buck to many of you 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: across this land. We got a lot going on. It's 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: a Friday, but it's very cold in some places. People 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: are glued to their screeds, their TVs, their radios, if 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: they're in the car, if they're at home, listening right 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: now to the President signing as we speak, executive orders 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: in the Oval Office, including an executive order launching. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: An IndyCar race in DC. Oh so cool. It is cool. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: It's fascinating, isn't it, whether it's the. 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: Ballroom or the IndyCar race, or perhaps even the MMA 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: fight on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: nation's founding, which I believe that is also going to 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: be a thing that happens. With all of that going on, 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 2: President Trump deciding to just do cool stuff. You can 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: actually just do cool things as president that Everyan could go, 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: oh wow, look at that. So we will discuss, we'll 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: give you more of this. We've got a whole bunch 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: of folks who are in the Oval Office right now, 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: so there'll be some some sound bites as me need it. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: But if you're really into IndyCar racing, Clay, when was 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: the last time you watched an IndyCar race. I went 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: to the Indianapolis five hundred. I should have known. And 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: what do you mean? I was in the pens. I 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: was helping change the oil, you. 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: Know I did. 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: I wrote that I rode the track at the at 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: the Indy five hundred, which was really cool. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: I'd never been before. 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: I got to ride around and I got to say, anyway, 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: so not not the big time, but it was it 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: was pretty awesome. 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: And do you know that I get I get hate 35 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: because whenever I go to a sports thing now, I 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: usually am tagging along to one of your sports things 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: and people say that I haven't like earned it by 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: going to much lesser games. So now people get mad 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: at me. They're like, you just go to the National 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: championship game. You're It's like, I'm sorry, I didn't go 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: to the little league games too, Like what do you 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: want me to do? So anyway, but this is it's 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: a high class problem. What can I tell you? Are 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: you pulling something off a screen right now? Because we 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: got to talk don Lemont, don't worry, guys, We're. 46 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Getting a Donald Man. 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: No, I've just tried to check and see who's actually 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 3: in the oval talking right now about all the different 49 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: things that are going to have. Sean Duffy, who's honestly 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: one of just the nicest guys. He's so Niceah, I'm 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: a big I like Sean Duffy, really good dude. Transportation Secretary, 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: Doug Bergham, the Secretary of the Interior. Some dudes with 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: white hair who I think are executives of sports and 54 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: or media. Is my guest, just based on looking at 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: them and their suits, That's who I've got. But we've 56 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: got Duffy talking right now, and we've got Burgham in 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: there and Trump signing. 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: Some eos IndyCar race in DC. That's it, by the way, 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: a great idea, really cool. I mean, why not do 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: some sporting events like this in DC. They should do 61 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: an F one race in DC if they actually set 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: it up properly, it would be really cool to do that. 63 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: See is actually a great place to have a race 64 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: because the boulevards are so wide, and we're designed you know, 65 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 3: as you well know before any cars existed, but modeled 66 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: after great European capitals, and so it's actually the perfect place. 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: I mean, they have the ability, I think, way better 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: than most to be able to fit all this in, 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: so pretty pretty awesome, cool thing. But yes, it's Friday. 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna have some fun with all of you. But 71 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: the Don Lemon story broke this morning and everybody has 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: got so many takes. Now, I told Klas said, I 73 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: actually have Don Lemon's phone number. Do I text Don 74 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: Lemont and ask him for a comment on this? 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think he'll probably if he hasn't 76 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: blocked me. Well, I've never haven't texted him in like 77 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: ten years. But if he hasn't blocked me, I don't 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: think he'll respond. He might respond with something colorful. He's 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: he knows that I am not a fan of his work. 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: But we'll see. I'm thinking about it. I usually don't 81 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: antagonize people that I have their phone number. I'm not 82 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: trying to attagonize. I really do just want a statement, 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: like I want to know and maybe he wants to 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: share it. But I'm thinking about it, and in the meantime, 85 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: let's just set the table. 86 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: My friends. Attorney General Pambondi put this out on X. 87 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: It's amazing. Now X is basically replaced. Remember the old 88 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: days when the White House would just like White House 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: dot gov would put out a statement and everybody would 90 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: have to repaste. It just comes out on X now. 91 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: But Attorney General Pambondy, at my direction, early this morning, 92 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: federal agents arrested Don Lemon, Treherne, Jean Cruz, Georgia Fort, 93 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: and Jamail Lidell Lundy in connection with the coordinated attack 94 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: on city's church in Saint Paul, Minnesota. More details soon, Clay. 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: There is, oh my gosh, a lot of left wing 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: lunatic anger in the air right now over this one. 97 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: We will give you more on the Don le Mont 98 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: arrest from the media, but for right now, your top 99 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: level reactions, sir to journalists in quotes, Don Lemon now 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: a national communist hero. U okay, So my biggest takeaway is, 101 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: and I think it's. 102 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Important, and you're not hearing any of the discussion surrounding 103 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: this at all. A grand jury indicted Don Lemon. So 104 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: this was not some sort of grand executive decision by 105 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: Pam Bondy or anybody in the Department of Justice. The 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: grand jury in a blue state, Minnesota, determined that there 107 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: was probable cause that Don Lemon had committed a crime 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: and issued an indictment for which he was arrested in California. 109 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: No one is talking about this. Everybody is skipping right 110 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: over it. I know it's a little bit of a 111 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: legal procedural nerd take, but a grand jury had to 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: indict Don Lemon. The President of the United States did 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: not wave a magic wand Pam Bondi did not wave 114 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: a mag wand this was necessary to happen in order 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: for him to be arrested. 116 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: Okay, that's point one. I think that's significant. Point two. 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: This is the best thing that's ever happened to Don 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: Lemon in his professional career, I know. And so everybody 119 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 3: is exulting out there who dislikes Don Lemon and everything else. 120 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: If I had been asked, if I had been asked, Clay, 121 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: how is this going to play out? Is this going 122 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: to be beneficial to Republicans or is it going to 123 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: be beneficial to Democrats? And to Don Lemon personally? It's 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: going to be the best thing that ever happened to 125 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: Don Lemon's career. And let me say this, Buck, if 126 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: you or I got arrested for something that we did, 127 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: that we could argue was in any way related to 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: journalism by a Democrat president, it would be the best 129 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: thing that could happen to our careers too, because nobody 130 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: loves their profession more then journalists love to argue that 131 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: they have the most important profession on the planet. And 132 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 3: so the regular journal crew is going to line up 133 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: behind Don Lemon. I do not think we are gaining 134 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: a massive beneficial outcome personally from Don Lemon being arrested. 135 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: You tweeted this too. I think we're in similar cahoots 136 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: on this. Look, some judge is going to dismiss the indictment, 137 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: going to say that Don Lemon is you know, is 138 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: not going to be held accountable for this. He's never 139 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: going to prison, He's never going to jail. They're not 140 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: putting him in solitary confinement. I understand the perspective under 141 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: which people want there to be accountability. I'm not diminishing that. 142 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: I'm just saying the practical impact of this, I think 143 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: is more negative for Trump and the DOJ than the 144 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: benefit that is gained by indicting Don Lemon. And I'm 145 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: not even going into the particulars of did he or 146 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: did he not commit this crime? Because I think it's 147 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: likely that he did. I'm just saying the consequences for 148 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: him will be incredibly beneficial and the negative impact of 149 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: this will be very minimal. And I don't like that 150 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: balancing of the equation. If that makes sense, how would 151 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: you take it? That's my big picture, you know, legal 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: and political sort of analysis, writ large Well. 153 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Lawyer Clay. I think did an excellent job there a counselor. 154 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: I think that Vanderbilt law school education has suited you 155 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: well today. I think that that's all accurate. Look, there's 156 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: a case to be made for many of you have 157 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: been making this case as well, that the process is 158 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: the punishment. We're just here to warn you that this 159 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: process will probably be very short lived. Therefore, the punishment 160 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: will be very short lived. And actually the payoff for 161 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: Don Lemon is likely to be immense for his What 162 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: does Don Lemon want? 163 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: Don Lemon was making. 164 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Millions of dollars a year when he was at CNN, 165 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: and my sense is, you know, he's got a house 166 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: in the Hamptons, he's got a fancy place in New York. 167 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: You know, he's got plenty of money. He wants to 168 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: be back in the game. He wants to be the 169 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: center of attention. You know, this is a guy I 170 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: don't think he has any kids. I think he is married, 171 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: but I don't think he has any kids. I think 172 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: this is a guy who there's nothing better for him 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: in this moment in time than everybody talking about him. 174 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: And I can tell you he loves attention. I know, 175 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: don Lemon, he loves attention. So this is, unfortunately go 176 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: I think, play into his brand in a big way. However, 177 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: I see the other side of this too, which is 178 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: the administration's gotta try because he I think he did 179 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: break the law clearly, so did a grand jury. 180 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: As you pointed out, so does the DOJ. I don't 181 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: think you're. 182 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: Allowed to just go along with some gang of maniacs 183 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: and disturb in menace a church service. And by the way, 184 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: I don't think you should be able to do that 185 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: at any church the most left wing you know, trans 186 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: flags on the outside, you know, non denominational church in 187 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: the middle of Portland, Oregon, or you know, like a 188 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: pretty conservative you know, old school Latin Mass Catholic. 189 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't want anyone to be able 190 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to do that. You don't have a right to do that. 191 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: It's not free speech. 192 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: So I do understand bringing the or pulling the levers 193 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: that are there to try to get some kind of 194 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: a punishment. 195 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: I think we're just realist here. But Clay, we'll see, Uh, 196 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: we'll see. 197 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: There are some federal Trump judge, federally appointed Trump judges 198 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: who maybe could be in the mix year. I think 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: there are there's one or two in Minneapolis. So also 200 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: goes to remind everybody how the judge appointment thing is 201 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: so important. 202 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: It's so critical. 203 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes we talk about it and I think it sounds 204 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: a little like wow wow to people because we're sitting 205 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: here and we do politics for a living. But trust me, 206 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: whether you get an Obama or Biden appointee or a 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Trump appointee, if you go before a court in civil 208 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: or criminal court, Clay, it makes all the difference. It 209 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: really does with what kind of law you're being presented with. 210 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 211 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent it does. And by the way, 212 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: we'll open up phone lines because eight hundred and two 213 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: A two two eight am to I do think the 214 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: significance here again is that a grand jury indicted him 215 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: and that he likely committed a crime. But this is 216 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: a play that sometimes makes sense in all facets, but 217 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: particularly given the guy's last name is Lemon. Sometimes the 218 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: juice isn't worth the squeeze. It's a cliche to me. 219 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: The juice isn't worth the squeeze here. And by the way, 220 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: for people out there who say, oh, this is a 221 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: First Amendment, the lack of ability to understand content based 222 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: restrictions on where you can actually protest, it blows my mind. 223 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: You don't have a right to march into private locations 224 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: and scream your First Amendment right. So you don't have 225 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: the right to walk onto somebody's front lawn of their 226 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: house and stand there on their front porch screaming your 227 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: political opinion. And so to me, there is no First 228 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: Amendment issue here in what Don Lemon did. I'm sure 229 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: that he's going to try to wrap himself in the 230 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: First Amendment and defend himself that way. And lots of 231 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: journalists dream buck of actually being the target of people 232 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: in power. So this is not only Don Lemmon's fever dream. 233 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,239 Speaker 3: This is the fever dream of every journalist in America 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: to be arrested in a manner like this where they 235 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: can drape themselves in victimization get all their name in 236 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: the headlines. Don Lemon is going to end up making 237 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: way more money. About this, you tweeted that he might 238 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: end up getting a job on MSNBC. It wouldn't stun 239 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: me at all. This is the greatest thing that could 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: happen to Don Lemon's career. By the way, President Trump 241 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: is taking questions right now live on CNN. I'm sure 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: he'll be asked about this and that will further this story. 243 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: There's also we should mention three million pages of Epstein 244 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: files that have been released today. 245 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: Both Buck and I. 246 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: Would be stunned beyond belief if there's any of any 247 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: substantial nature in those three million pages. But it is 248 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 3: worth mentioning for everybody screaming about the Epstein files, three 249 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: million more pages, thousands of videos, all of that stuff 250 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: being released as well. And anyway, we'll continue to take 251 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: your calls and we will react to everything and allow 252 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 3: you to react to everything. But this, to me, again, 253 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: I just think the juice not worth to squeeze. I 254 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: think benefit Don Lemon benefits more than anyone in the 255 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: Trump administration or anyone who believes in the Trump administration's perspective, 256 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: which you and I clearly do benefits. 257 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Talk to anyone who's had their identity stolen and they'll 258 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: tell you it feels really violating their world stops. They're 259 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what happened and how to stop 260 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: the damage. It used to be somebody might pickpocket a 261 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: wallet and use the credit cards, but that was identity 262 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: theft one point zero. 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We got a call already, Don in Stuart, Florida. 286 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: Here you got to take Don on Don Lemon. 287 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wondering. 288 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 4: You suggested that maybe Don Lemon's move is suggesting that 289 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 4: crime pays one hundred percent. 290 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call that's going to pay for him. 291 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: I mean the reality is, Buck, if you are famous enough. 292 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: You know Martha Stewart. 293 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: If anything, being in prison for insider trading only helped 294 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: her because it made her more famous. Now, if you're 295 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: going to be put in prison for years, like Diddy 296 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: or someone of that nature, I think that the impact 297 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: can be super negative. But being charged with crimes when 298 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: your audience thinks that you shouldn't have been charged with crimes, 299 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: I think a lot of times it benefits you I 300 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: think Trump befitted for it. I think if you're a 301 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: rapper and you're arrested for weapons possession, it does. I 302 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: don't think Martha Stewart going away for six months was 303 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: was good for her. 304 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: Oh I think it. I think it. 305 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: I think Martha Stewart is more famous now and makes 306 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: more money because she was insider trading. 307 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: I think she was already like a like presiding over 308 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar empire for people that wanted to 309 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: make pies and make their napkins. 310 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Look nice for dinner parties want. 311 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: But you girls knew that the average dude didn't know 312 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: anything about Martha Stewart. Now she's in every super Bowl 313 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: commercial and everybody knows her, no deiot. 314 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: She's in the midst of a comeback. I think still anyway, 315 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: we don't think I'm too deep. 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: In the Martha, but Martha's We disagree on Martha Stewart's 317 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: career trajectory, as you all expected on the Friday edition. 318 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: But I think I think peak Martha Stewart was early 319 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: two thousands. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that I 320 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: know he's peaking now. I think she's more famous. It 321 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: makes more money now, just because she's doing the sports. 322 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: I don't know way, I don't think she's I had 323 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: no idea who Martha Stewart was in two thousand and three. 324 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: I feel like everybody knows Martha Stewart now. 325 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: Well, Clay, given that you told us that you don't 326 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: boil water at home, I'm pretty sure that Martha Stewart 327 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: was not someone you were spending a lot of time 328 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: reading in the early two thousand. 329 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: If you can't put it in a microwave, I don't 330 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: really know what the point is. So yes, I don't 331 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 3: think it's true that I was. Of all the people 332 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 3: in America, I am definitely outside of the Martha Stewart 333 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: target range. 334 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever consumed her content, But. 335 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: Think about someone like here here, the Don Lemon thing 336 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: that comes to mind with this would be and I 337 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: know that it's not a criminal issue, but remember when 338 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: that guy, the CNN White House correspondent was lost his 339 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: hard pass to get into the White House. Jim Acosta, right, 340 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: Jim Acosta. Jim Acosta is like, it's tyranny, It's tyranny. 341 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 2: There's better best thing for Jim A Costa's career. At 342 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: the time that ever happened to him was Trump yelling 343 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: at him and saying he was a jerk, No question 344 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: about dred percent, one hundred percent. 345 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 3: These people dream of being antagonists for people in power, like. 346 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: Thinking to the Trump and somebody is the best example 347 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: of all of this. They brought four prosecutions against him, 348 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: and I've never seen the base so motivated to get 349 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: behind one candif they didn't even want a primary. 350 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: They're like, it's Trump. 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So 369 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: get ready for the Libs to be flying the UN 370 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: flag at half staff all across the country. The very 371 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: upset Don Lemon has been arrested. Very sad the communist 372 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: the hammer and sickle will be flying at half mass. 373 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: Very upset about this. Don Lemon facing charges for his role. 374 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: Mika Brzynski fresh off the croquet course and ordering around 375 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: her servants, but she cares about the people here. She 376 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: is telling everybody that Don Lemon was just doing what 377 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: journalists do. 378 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: This is cut three good breaking news for you. 379 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 7: Former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested late last night 380 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 7: on federal charges tied to a protest earlier this month 381 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 7: at a church in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Lemon says he 382 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 7: was reporting as a journalist when demonstrators interrupted a service 383 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 7: to protest immigration enforcement. 384 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: Lemon says he was two. 385 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: He was just followed the protest into cover it. Clay 386 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: had no part of it whatsoever. What is the difference 387 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: between somebody covering and being a part of in this context, 388 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: this is what we're going to have to get into. 389 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's the league the entire legal argument, right. He 390 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: is going to say I was, and this is why, again, 391 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 3: I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze. He's 392 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: going to argue, all I was doing was following in 393 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: these protesters. It's the job of a journalist to be 394 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: doing this. Now Here is an easy question that I 395 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: think would be interesting to see how it was applied. 396 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 3: And I don't know, frankly, if there are any precedents. 397 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: Some of you, my Julie Kelly probably certainly would. Maybe 398 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: we can reach out to her on this front alley 399 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: and producer ally and you can see what her take 400 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: is on this, and maybe she would want to come on. 401 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: Were there any right wing journalists that were charged related 402 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: to January sixth who argued, as part of their defense, 403 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't there to protest. I was not trespassing as 404 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: a January sixth er, I was merely there broadcasting the 405 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: live stream of the events that were taking place there. 406 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: Because that's honestly the precedent that I would say would 407 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: apply on some level here. Now obviously church versus United 408 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: States Capital, those are different dynamics because there is traditionally 409 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: lots of news that comes out of the United States Capital. 410 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 3: I would argue that being there is much more akin 411 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: to a newsworthy location than being inside of a church. 412 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 3: This is the lawyer in me analyzing the facts in 413 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: real time. But are there any examples of January sixth 414 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: defendants who argued, Hey, I was charged and I'm actually 415 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: in the process of journalism there. I don't know the answer. 416 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 3: That would be an easy precedent that you could potentially 417 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: look at and say, Okay, how was that treated. I 418 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: guarantee you that CNN and MSNBC didn't say, oh, my goodness, 419 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden is destroying the First Amendment. If any of 420 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: these individuals were charged associated with January sixth, then again, 421 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: maybe we can get Julie Kelly on this, because I 422 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: feel like that argument had to be made by some 423 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: people who got caught up in the wash on jan 424 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 3: six because there were a lot of people who were 425 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: podcasters or reporters that would have been in that crowd. 426 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: I'm curious if that argument was made or how it worked. 427 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 8: You know who we haven't heard from it a while. 428 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 8: It's been a while since he's made an appearance of 429 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 8: the show Brian Steuter everybody. He is a constitutional scholar, 430 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 8: a journalist extraorded aire at a man who will make 431 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 8: your testastra levels dropped with the mere sound of his voice. 432 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Here he is on the administration's targeting of a trumpfoe. 433 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: This is cut five places. 434 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 9: I view this in context with Trump administration attempts to 435 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 9: target other perceived critics. Think about Lytissa James, think about 436 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 9: James Comy. Don Lemon is another figure on that list. 437 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 9: President Trump has repeatedly attacked Lemon, both when Flemon was 438 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 9: an anchor here at CNN, but again more recently. Trump 439 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 9: has made no secret of his disdain for Lemon, and Lemon, 440 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 9: of course, has been harshly critical of President Trump for 441 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 9: many years as well. 442 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 4: So he is a Trump foe. 443 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 9: And this is another example of the administration targeting a 444 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 9: Trump foe. And you're going to see some people from 445 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 9: the MAGA right who are going to cheer this. At 446 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 9: the same time many First Amendment groups are going to 447 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 9: say this has a real chill because Lemon walked in 448 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 9: yes with a microphone and a camera to document what 449 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 9: happened at the church, and frankly, I think viewers are 450 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 9: better off for him having told us what happened in 451 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 9: the church that day. 452 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: Now this, this gets this gets interesting, Clay, because I 453 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: can tell you that a lot of direct action elements 454 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: of Antifa, of Black Block, of these different left wing paramilitaries, 455 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: if you will, these you know, direct action elements people 456 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: that break laws, don't engage in open, outright lethal violence 457 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: as part of their political agenda. But they're sort of 458 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: like less than lethal terrorists. I would say, right, they'll 459 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: they'll break stuff, they'll punch cops, they'll spit it them, 460 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: but they don't. 461 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. 462 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: A lot of the people that are at those protests 463 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: and involved in all of that, their job is to 464 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: document it and to egg it on, right. I mean, 465 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: if you see any time there's people who are there 466 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: and they have this stuff and they're saying. 467 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, get them or do this or do that? 468 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's where is the line here between 469 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: being a part of a movement, a direct action like this, 470 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: or being somebody who's just there. 471 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 9: You know. 472 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: I even had this, for example, when I would go 473 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: back when I used to work at the Blaze and 474 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: I did. 475 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: That's right. 476 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: I did media like journalism coverage stuff like I just 477 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: I would write it. 478 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: I would, and I would. 479 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: Go clay if I held up a placard it was chanting. 480 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I have a First Amendment right to do that. 481 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: But I'm definitely a part of the protest then, right, 482 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: we all know I'm not a journalist. Now now I'm 483 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: a part of it. This is the line here is 484 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: very The line here is very blurry. I hate to 485 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: say it. Well, actually I don't hate to say it, 486 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: but the line here is very blurry. With the Don 487 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: Lemon situation, how do you assess that, Like, what's the 488 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: legal test for If Don Lemon's there on video and 489 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: he's like waving everybody in, He's like, come on, guys, 490 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: let's go like yeah, you know, helping people line up 491 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: to shout and interrupt the service, how is he any. 492 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: Different from the people interrupting the service? That here is GROC, 493 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: which I just did real research. Julie Kelly, by the way, 494 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: says she can join us to discuss this. According to GROC, 495 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: at least eight defendants citing the Associated Press identified themselves 496 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: as journalists or filmmakers on January sixth, and were charged 497 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: they were affiliated with non mainstream sources like info wars, 498 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: right wing sites, or self described activist media outlets. Elliott Resnik, 499 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: former editor of the Jewish Press, was charged later pled 500 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: guilty with obstructing law enforcement during the riot. Prosecutors stated 501 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: he was not acting as a journalist that day. John 502 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: Earl Sullivan, activists who sometimes film de event and others, 503 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 3: face charges after entering the building. They said that these 504 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 3: cases involved people entered the capital unlawfully, impeded officers or 505 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: engaged in disorderly conduct, and so they were all Judges 506 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: rejected their defense as saying they were journalists. 507 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: Now this is also people. 508 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: This is interesting to Clay because you're going to get 509 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: into we'll have Julie Kelly on to talk about this. 510 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: That's very important context that they and you know, I'm 511 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: just gonna say this, Julie Kelly, we would have her 512 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: on this show. But we were a show who was 513 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: talking about the plight of and yes, Clay even donated 514 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: to their legal defense. 515 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: Well done, mister Clay. 516 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: We were we did not forget the JA six prisoners, 517 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: just taking them. A lot of everyone now now that 518 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: Trump wanted everything else you go back, you go back 519 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: to the darkest days of the Biden White House, and 520 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: we were talking about the plight of Jay six prisoners 521 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: here day in and day out, day in and day out. 522 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: So I just think that there's a moment here and 523 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: all of you know, those you biminis were coming up 524 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: on our five year anniversary. We were on that because 525 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: it was the right thing to do when we were 526 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: on that from the beginning. So anyway back to this 527 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: situation with Don Lemon, now he's it's different in so 528 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: far as they were claiming that the moment they went 529 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: past now I know, please, there's gonna be this. They 530 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: went past the barricades, but they were invited past the barricades. 531 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: I get all of that. The claim will be made though, 532 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: that that Don Lemon was allowed to be on the 533 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: premises even though it's private property, whereas the J six 534 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: people were inherently trespassed. I think they'll try to make 535 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: that distinction as this moves along. I'm not sure that 536 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: that's a valid distinction. I'm just saying I think that's 537 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: one thing they'll say. But Don Lemon antagonizing that priest 538 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: when he has been told to leave, Don Lemon the 539 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: moment that preseid I want you to leave, and Don 540 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: Lemon stays there. You don't have a first amendment right, 541 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: Actually you are a trespasser now, so Don Lemmon, as 542 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: far as I can see on that video, Clay and you, 543 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, give me your legal hat analysis here. Don 544 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: Lemon is trespassing. So if you trespassed, why is that 545 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: going to be Well, clearly the grand jury thought so. 546 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 547 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: Look, I actually think that cuts against Don Lemon because 548 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 3: as a general rule, news occurs at the Capitol all 549 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: the time, and journalists are covering news related events in 550 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: the Capitol all the time. Has there been a news 551 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: related event that has occurred in that church in years? 552 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: I would be doubtful that that is the case. 553 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: So when I look at a trespassing allegation, I think 554 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: one of the first things you would ask is okay, 555 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: is the place that was trespassed regularly involved in news related. 556 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: Aspects. 557 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: When the answer is yes, then to me, it's much 558 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: more colorable to claim you are a journalist. In other words, Buck, 559 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: if I went into a school in the middle of 560 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: a day, and as a journalist I trespassed into that school, 561 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: I think it would be harder. Let's say there's a 562 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 3: protest going on and the kids are out on the street, 563 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: and then they go back into the school, and I 564 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: followed those kids in. As a journalist, I think it 565 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: would be harder for me to argue inside of the school. Oh, 566 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: I'm a journalist. I have the right to enter this 567 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: location where otherwise I would have no reason to enter, 568 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: as opposed to a city hall, or as opposed to 569 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: a place a legislature or a place of typical public news. 570 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: I actually think these this the capital. The jan sixth 571 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: defendants have a better argument than women. And I also 572 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: think where you're affiliated by it might not be fair, 573 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: but is an impact as well. If you're at CNN 574 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: or The New York Times, then Don Lemon would have 575 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: a better defense than Don Lemon dot com or whatever 576 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 3: the heck his news organization is now. 577 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: Now also will remind the all of you who are 578 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: have been in the pro life fight here for a 579 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: long time. You will recall some years ago David Delayden, 580 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: who did the series of undercover videos in planned parenthood 581 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: conferences and even some abortion clinics, and Clay the Ninth 582 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: Circuit held against him. He was sued by Planned Parenthood. 583 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: The claim was that they were citizen journalists and they 584 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: got millions and millions of views for what they did. 585 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Reason Planned Parenthood was so upset was because people were 586 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: actually seeing what goes on in those clinics and what 587 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: people say about the tiny babies that are being shopped up. So, 588 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: but they gave them no protection whatsoever for using subterfuge 589 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: in undercover journalism to get access to those conferences in 590 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: those facilities. So, you know, using fake names, fake signatures, 591 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: you know, things like that. They said, no, sorry, undercover 592 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: journalism or not, you're liable for whatever damage is to 593 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: Planned Parenthood's reputation. So you know, people people shout the 594 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: First Amendment a lot like that's like that. 595 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: It's like shouting the Constitution. Okay, well what does that 596 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: really mean? 597 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: Though it's not clear to me, not clear to me 598 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: at all that Don Lemon compared to what happened on 599 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: January sixth and those defendants, Don Lemon has a stronger 600 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: defense than they did. 601 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: It's not I see a lot. I think it's weaker 602 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: because again I think the location, I would just to 603 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 3: be clear, I would co sign that I think it's weaker. 604 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: And by the way did anyone in left wing media 605 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: defend Maybe I missed it those eight individuals who argued 606 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: that they were journalists or filmmakers, and again they were 607 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: not affiliated with major news organizations, but neither is Don Lemon. 608 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: So I think this story we can hear from some 609 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 3: lawyers out there. 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That's t 641 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: the number two t dot org. 642 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 5: Seek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with 643 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 5: Clay and Buck podcast. 644 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: A new episode every Sunday. 645 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 5: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get 646 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 5: your podcasts. 647 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Play Travis buck Sexton Show. A lot 648 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 3: of people wanting to weigh in, as we always try 649 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: to do on the Friday edition of the program. But again, 650 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: I'm trying to research this in real time, and I 651 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: think the best response is honestly going to be for 652 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 3: anyone who is arguing First Amendment, what about the journalist, 653 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: eight of them who were charged by the Biden administration 654 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 3: for entering the capitol on January sixth. I actually think 655 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: it's a really interesting precedent that anyone who is truly 656 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: examining this in the light of the arrest today would 657 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 3: have to acknowledge. 658 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: But a lot of people want to weigh in. 659 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: Let's run through some of these calls as we finish 660 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 3: off the first hour, and then we're going to talk 661 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 3: some three million pages of the Epstein files have been released, 662 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of pictures and video as well. We'll 663 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 3: talk on that a little bit at the top of 664 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: the next hour. But Matthew in Weatherford, Oklahoma, the big debate, 665 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 3: the big disagreement of hour one, Martha Stewart. What you 666 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 3: got for is, Matthew. 667 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 4: Oh, Martha Stewart, she's wat collar gangster. That's why she 668 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 4: hangs with Snoop Dogg. 669 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: So you agree with me that she benefited from the 670 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: charge get out of here? 671 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: Oh she did? Yeah, I mean before before she went 672 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 4: to prison, the only people that watched her were old 673 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 4: ladies watching her cooking shows. But after that, I mean, 674 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 4: everybody knew she was synonymous with being a white collar gangster. 675 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call. I think Matthews one hundred 676 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 3: percent right. I've always agreed with the people of Oklahoma. 677 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 3: They have great, great skills at discerning argument. Kelly in 678 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: upstate New York, what you got for us? 679 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Kelly? 680 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 6: Hi? Okay, So I watched Don Lemon video and he 681 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 6: walked with them to the church. He was outside congregating 682 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 6: with them at the church. So to me, him walking 683 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 6: in there church would be no different than one of 684 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 6: the protesters pulling out their cell phone and recording it. 685 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 6: But with that being said, how come all those other 686 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 6: protesters haven't been arrested as well? Why are they focusing 687 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 6: just on him? 688 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think they have charged around seven or eight people. 689 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Buck. I know they arrested three, 690 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: then they got five more. I think it's eight people 691 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: total have been charged. I don't know exactly how many 692 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 3: people entered that church, and I'm not sure the totalities, 693 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: but yes, eight total for sure, which which is certainly? 694 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 2: Are you going to take us into the Epstein's file 695 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: release next, mister Clay. 696 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to talk about the Epstein files. So 697 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 3: everybody out they are obsessed. Why don't you talk about 698 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: the Epstein files. This is your dream come true. We're 699 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 3: going to talk about the Epstein files. I don't know 700 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: if they all sound like that was what file. 701 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: People sound like. Yes, I think so