WEBVTT - Something New with Kenice Mobley 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bell cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.720 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:19.080 it with the beck Del cast, Jamie, Hi, Caitlin, let go, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.120 let flow. Let you know. Honestly, I felt attacked by 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.240 that because I was like, yeah, I've probably read whatever 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.600 the book is that that's referencing. I love a little 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:37.280 phrase that doesn't change my life. I love it, except 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.400 it does in this movie. It does. They let go, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.479 they let flow, They do it, and then a bunch 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.520 of stuff happens and you can feel whatever way about 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.360 it you want. My other intro option was going to 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.680 be me asking you if you would like to landscape 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:57.720 my backyard? Yes, which is a sexual euphemism, yes for 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.120 playing with my butt. Yes, I would love to quote 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.880 unquote landscape your backyard. Cool, But I'm going to have 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.320 my gigantic, stinky dog around and I'm gonna keep being like, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.920 you have to come to a garden with me? Is 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:19.119 that cool? Is that right? I love that. I can't wait. Yeah, okay, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.920 well then we'll do that. Awesome anyway, Hi, welcome to 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.679 the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. My name 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.080 is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where we 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.960 take an intersectional feminist look at your favorite movies. Yeah, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.280 we used the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.920 for discussion on this damn podcast. But Caitlin, what what 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.120 is that? What is whiz? I'll tell you it is 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.960 a media metric sometimes known as the Becktel Wallace test, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:51.000 created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel in her comic Likes 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.320 to Watch Out For just as a kind of one 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.600 off joke. Is It originally appeared in her comic but 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.800 has since been kind of co opted into this media 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:07.960 metric that is pretty widely used, including us on this show. Um, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.880 and there are many variations of the test. The one 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.480 we use is this, two characters of a marginalized gender 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.639 have to have names, they have to speak to each other, 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.600 and the conversation has to be about something other than 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:27.880 a man. And ideally it's a narratively substantial conversation. Yes, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.880 which spoiler alert for this movie. There's plenty of it, 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.760 but some of them are kind of funny. We have 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.680 some funny passes in this one, and I'm excited to 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:41.400 talk about them with are amazing returning guest, the All Timer. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.279 Let's get her in here. I think your sixth appearance 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.560 on the show. Yes, this is my sixth appearance, Beteans. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:55.120 I've been following, and I know that Lacy Mosley has 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.120 five and she doesn't know me, so this is completely 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.440 in my head in one sided. But I was like 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.760 Mosley the Mobli, I'm gonna win in your first place. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.119 I'm there, and I'm there for the pay per view 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:16.400 like that would be great. Um, But let's introduce you properly. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.880 She's a comedian. You've seen her on the Tonight Show. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:25.600 Her album follow up question just came out. It's Kennis Mobile. Hi. Hello, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.320 it's so nice to see you guys. Welcome back. Great 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.320 to see you too. I can't believe we I mean, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.520 just a little peek inside Kennis's life for the listeners. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.640 We're catching Kenise fresh off a trip to Margaritaville. So yes, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.960 truly the best. I'm sure you're in high spirits, never 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.800 felt better in your life. There were so many because 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.040 it's in Times Square, it's like up several levels and 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.720 at every escalator there was a person who just shouted 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.920 at us, welcome to Margarita then, so it was very 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.040 clear where we were that here was a light show 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.119 on the hour where they play this on Margarita Ville. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.000 There's a statue of liberty. She's holding something and it 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.640 turns out it can be a glass of what margaritas. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.760 And so there's a whole projection thing. There's whales and dolphins. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.760 It's it's a lot. It's a lot of restaurant, is 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.400 what I will say. It's so much restaurant, because I mean, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.240 I guess that there's a lot of reasons. But one 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.880 of the reasons I know you haven't had your food 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.080 yet is to distract you from how disgusting the food is. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.960 Fired Honestly, that's fair because when you look at the menu, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.200 they have a little warning triangle with a salt shaker 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.200 in it if the amount of sodium in the meal 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.680 is more than your daily allowance of sodium. And most 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.960 of the meals have this warning of sodium next to 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.280 it because most of them, if you eat this, it 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.479 will exceed your daily amount of sodium that you should 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:54.000 be having. I really love garbage so much. I just 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.400 love trash in the mouth that is wonderful. Thank you 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.200 for that information. I've seen as triangles and I've just 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.440 blazed past them, never looked at what they were for 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.120 your What a treat there? For your death? Yes? For there? 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.920 Why I'm losing years of my life happily too ready 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.640 to go? Yeah, willingly. Um. I don't think I've ever 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.840 been to a Margaritaville. Time, there's one, there's one a 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.359 city walk. We could go any time. Oh my gosh, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.919 I know I've seen it. I've seen it every damn 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.480 time I've gone to Universal Studios Hollywood, which has been 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.520 twenty times. And where are you where are you going? 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.960 Are you going to Oh you're a millionaire going to 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:42.080 Bubba Gum? No. I usually eat Cletus's Chicken Shack at 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.360 Simpson's World in the Park. Yeah, I see. Well, you know, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.720 it's not it's not great to hear. It doesn't feel 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.600 good to hear. I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. I think 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.520 I got a burger with you in the Simpsons restaurant. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.880 You probably went to Krusty Burger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.680 never gotten food in Simpson's Land. That's fascinating. I was 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.919 trying to think of what the Universal hot dog is 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.640 They don't really have a signature one, but in Orlando, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.960 because I went to both city walks last year because 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.600 I really do love garbage in the mouth. And in 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.680 Orlando they have a huge outdoor restaurant called the hot 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.800 Dog Hall of Fame where you can get a foot 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.360 long hot dog. You get hot dog with shrimp on it. Yeah, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.600 you get a lot of nasty little things. Why would 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.400 you do that? You really shouldn't do that. When I 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.840 ordered the shrimp pot dog, they were like, we don't 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:42.000 serve a lot of these, and it's like, all right, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:49.479 bring it and perfect transition. I was like, there's no 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.640 hot dogs in this movie. So that wasn't a transition 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.480 of any sort. However, we have a movie to discuss. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.240 It's two thousand six. Is something new? Yes? Indeed, what 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.000 is your history with this movie? So? I think I 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.680 saw this movie in theaters. I've owned this movie on 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.840 DVD since two thousands six, I would to say two 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.960 thousand seven when it came out on DVD. Based on 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.280 this movie and other properties, I assumed that being a 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.160 woman in your thirties meant that you automatically had a 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.720 group of for female friends. That was just part of 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.120 it because it's this, it's sex in the city, it's girlfriends, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.000 it's living single, all of these things. It's like, there 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.200 are four women, obviously one of them is a little 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.080 hornier than the others, and they all hang out. Why 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.640 why are they friends? Were never sure, that's not clear 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.800 how they became friends. What they have in common? I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.680 don't know. They all have rich people jobs. They all 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:51.200 have fantastic jobs in this movie, accountant, doctor, judge, some 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.400 probably a foe. Yeah, a fourth thing, yeah, a fourth 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.080 fancy thing. I love. I do love like all the 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.800 shows you're describing. I and I went on a full 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.240 girlfriend's binge during the lockdown. But I love like the 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.000 the like sex and the city. Girlfriends like around the 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.680 table just saying kind of like confusing things to each 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.400 other about their like are we dying? Is life we're living? 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:22.280 Or not? And you're like, yeah, yeah, totally. They have 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.480 those conversations. But like, I could not answer in girlfriends, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.400 what are their shared interests, what do they like to do? 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.600 What is the joy in their lives? I don't I 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.400 don't know. I'm trying to remember which pair of characters 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.280 and girlfriends. There's like at some point in the series, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.560 there's like a contradiction of like how they met, Like 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.839 they say they met in one way in season one, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.120 and then in season three for plot reasons, it's totally different. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.559 I'm like, Oh, I guess I don't know. We live 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.160 in a void. They didn't know that I would have 0:08:55.240 --> 0:09:00.360 access to knowing the mistake in the future. Yeah, I 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.480 feel like the friendship in in this movie too, the 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:09.120 Four Friends is similarly I don't know, underdeveloped. So, Kenneth, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.360 you saw this in theaters, you bought the DVD. You 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.840 have a long history with the movie. Yes, I liked it, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.000 and I still like parts of it, but parts of 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.959 it are like I think we're past this right, like 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:33.400 hopefully as a society we're not like, oh what map Also, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.520 and we'll get into the synopsis of the film, Caitlin, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.760 I'm so excited for your wrap up. But in the 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.560 first what is it fourteen minutes, when we've established through 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.480 the characters and everything, when they meet for a blind 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.360 date at a Starbucks Starbuck God, I was like, strike 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:57.160 fucking one and it's busy. It's a busy Starbucks, and 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.440 they're like, this is where we go on our first 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.040 date in side the way. That made me like angry, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.360 like vier really because they're in Los Angeles where there 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:11.240 are tons of restaurants and cafes, but they choose Starbucks. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.160 It was painful. I have to imagine it was like, oh, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.760 we will get money from Starbucks to help fund the 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.520 budget of this movie if we have. I don't know 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.200 that for sure, but I have to imagine. I feel 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.800 like it would have had to offend because they showed 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.600 the legs, they kept cutting back to the yes, they 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.959 kept reminding you, and then like that the logo is 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.600 always facing the front. I'm like, okay, this is product placement, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.240 but why would you make it such a busy I 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.600 mean they're like, oh, in Starbucks is so popular right now, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.120 so of course there's gonna be a lot of people there. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.280 But you're like, this seems like a really stressful. It 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.200 didn't make me want to go on a date at Starbucks. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.839 I feel you would if you were Sunlight Kaitlin. It 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.840 kind of looked like the Starbucks near your house to 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.679 me a little bit, thank you, and I didn't like 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:07.679 it was really, do you mean the Starbucks in Los Filas, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.440 which is called out by name in this movie that 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.520 neighborhood because he's like, oh, I just finished up a 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.120 landscaping job in Los Filas. Not to docs myself, but 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.840 that is the neighborhood I live in, so brag. I've 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.880 been to that Starbucks. It was fun. It was like 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:27.520 all the other ones too busy anyway, busy. There's it's 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.960 so funny, like the reasons that the movie is telling 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.720 you that this couple may not be compatible when there's 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:38.720 so many reasons available, We're just like, why not these people? 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.559 But you're a long time you're a long time viewer 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.080 of something new, a long time viewer of this film. Yes, yes, okay, Jamie, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.320 what about you. I've known about this movie for a 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.079 long time, but I had never seen it before we 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.960 were prepping for this episode, and I'm excited to talk 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.280 about it. I feel like it's like there's I don't know, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.040 there's a lot of there's a lot of interesting stuff here. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.360 And I also agree with you Kenez for your like, 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.560 you know, you can feel the oh six on this 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.240 movie pretty heavily. I appreciate what it's trying to do, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.240 and it's doing a lot of it in a in 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.840 a pretty dated way. But I'm excited to talk about it. Caitlin, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.800 what how? What was your history with something New sam 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.920 as yours? I hadn't seen it before prepping, and I 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.960 don't even know if it was really on my radar 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.839 until we started getting requests for it at some point 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.880 during the show. But uh, yeah, there's a lot to 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:37.160 talk about, and I'm excited to get into it. I was. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.800 I knew about this director because she's a very iconic 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:46.480 music video director Sanahamry. Yeah, I knew her from music 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.839 videos but also Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants to an 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:55.000 extremely traveling pants movie. Yeah, extremely traveling movie. Yeah, but 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.640 she I mean, if you look at her music video resume, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.480 holy sh it, it's like she's started in her like 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.440 early twenties directing Mariah Carey videos. Made a bunch of those. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.920 Then did Destiny's Child, Kelly Rowland, Jay Z, The A Teens, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:16.400 that's a deep cut, Solange, Prince Seal, Jada Kiss like 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.800 Mondy Kravitz. I saw Joss Stone, remember her, she did 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.880 the super Base music video. Like Okay, she makes a 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.319 lot more sense. I did not know her history as 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.880 a music video director. But the things I think I 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.840 like the most about this movie and its direction are 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.560 very like music video type of style. So this makes 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.199 me very very happy. I thought that the sex scenes 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.040 in this movie were very music video in a way 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.600 that I thought was fun. Like. I was like, oh, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:51.200 we're doing foot stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's done 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.160 a ton of T I think she does mostly TV. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.720 Now she did a ton of Empire and shameless like 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:04.720 she's working. Indeed, shall I do the recap? Let's do it? Okay, Actually, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.679 let's take a quick break first and then we will 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:17.600 come right back and we are back. Also Christina Aguilera 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.600 and staying sorry. It just like she's directed so many 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:27.200 music failures. Um, okay, here is the recap of something new. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.640 We open on a wedding where the groom and guests 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:36.920 abruptly leave. Ken you McQueen. That's Sona Lathan at the altar. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.360 But it was just a dream. Ha ha. Ken Youa 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.040 wakes up. We are in Los Angeles ever heard of? 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.800 It is Valentine's Day. She has a busy work day 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.840 but no romantic evening plans. At work. Her friend or 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.360 her colleague, Leah, tries to set her up on a 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.240 blind date with this guy named Brian, but Kenya is 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.920 like pass Yeah. She then goes out. She never yells 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.320 at Leah for setting it up at a Starbucks. Yeah. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.040 I really feel like we should have gotten a follow 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.240 up with Leah. Was like, Okay, what are you? What 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.160 were you thinking? Man? The first eight thing kisses me off. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.240 But I do like And I took Caitlin's screenwriting class 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.320 because Caitlin is a wonderful teacher, and we talked about 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.880 developing character in the first section of the script, and 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.480 I do like how they do very quickly established that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.040 obviously she wants to be married, that her life is 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.240 a certain way. She wakes up and it's just disappointment 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.040 on her face. Um, which begs a very important question 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.520 that I will get into later. Lot. This woman likes nothing, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.160 This woman has no interest in this woman. There's nothing 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.840 about this woman except she is an accountant. That's all 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.960 you need to know about her. She's an accountant. We 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.880 do hear a lot about what she doesn't like and 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.160 not a lot about what That was something that I 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.400 was like, I kept way to be like, Okay, what 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.040 is her secret passion or like why does she it 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.280 seems like she really enjoys her job. What about it? Like, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.440 what got her into it and no, but we don't 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.600 learn a lot about what she likes. She's she I 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.240 don't know. But then it's weird because it's like she's 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.440 introduced like a more optimistic character where she's like, I 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.160 believe that I am going to get love. But then 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.600 it's like, but I don't know. It's bizarre. But then 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.040 she rejects love all the time. I mean, I love that, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.440 I love Oh, we're rejecting the call. Yeah, of course 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.800 you're gonna want to reject the call in what ways? 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.480 Is like? That's the thing like the options where it's 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.800 like her before they meet at the Starbucks, she runs 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.160 into these black guys who are standing outside, and it's 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.680 like all the options are bad? Like what love is 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.080 she turning down? That was like reasonable, and we were 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.040 led to leave believe that she's unreasonable. It's just like, no, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.160 she doesn't want to date the guy with the super 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.480 long pinky nailed that probably does a lot of cocaine. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.240 It's it's literally, I mean, if that was if we 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.840 were supposed to believe she was unreasonable for not wanting 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.879 to date any of the men at that extremely busy Starbucks, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.280 I don't know what to tell the world like it's 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:14.160 that is a very common experience, and yeah, I thought 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.760 it was. It's funny. Movie is weird? Oh the first 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.200 I was going to say that the first very funny 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.600 two thousand and six Bechtel test pass Um is her 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.359 talking to Leah about wedding dresses and Kenya telling Leah 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.240 that she should choose a dress that she likes better. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.479 That means that she'll be very uncomfortable in it. And 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.239 I was like, well, it does pass, but but at 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:46.680 what cost? Okay? So then Kenya goes out with her 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.959 three friends because all adult women have exactly three friends 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.399 and they all hang out together all the time, and 0:17:54.480 --> 0:18:00.080 who knows how they met, yeah, or what they have 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.359 in common as far as interest in um. But her 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.960 friends are Susanette played by Golden Brooks, Cheryl played by 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:12.159 Wendy Rickel Robinson, and Nedra played by Taraji p Henson. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.200 They talk about how they are among the black women 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:22.879 who are educated professionals who are also unmarried. Kenya's friends 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.560 criticize her for having standards that are too high because 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.720 she has this list of criteria for her ideal black man. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.360 I went to a historically black college and I remember, 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.919 like the first week of college, in some sort of 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.399 big presentation someone did tell us and historically black college 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.639 the ratio is often more women than men. At my 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.160 college specifically it was eight to one. And yes, they 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.920 were like, you, black women are getting degrees, which means 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.199 that if you are unmarried by the time that you 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.879 are thirty five, you are more likely to die in 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.240 a plane crash than to ever get married. That and 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:08.160 just underlining that starting when I was eighteen, just making 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.720 sure I was aware, Hey, you're choosing education and therefore 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.800 ten years old, just so you know. Oh my gosh, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:21.280 that is so aggressive and despicable. I thought it was 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.880 interesting that like that because it reminded me of I'm 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.200 trying to remember is it Sleepless in Seattle where Carrie 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.480 Fisher is Megryan's friend, where they brought up another statistics 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.640 And the thing is most of those statistics are made 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.919 up to scare women and make them feel bad like that. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.960 I remember, like famously, there's like a something like you're 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.080 more likely to be killed in a terrorist attack than 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.840 get married after thirty something was like a famous but 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.680 that was like on the cover of like Life magazine 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.320 in like the seventies or eighties, Like it's just like, 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.200 we just need to make women feel as bad as possible, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.000 so they'll date these garbage men that the lower the standards. Yes, 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.000 it sucks. Let us be garbage. That's what men are 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.720 saying to me. And then I'm like, yes, let's go 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:13.359 to Margaritaville. Oh my god, he paid for my dinner 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:18.199 at Margaritaville. He's a keeper. Yeah, I love him. But 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.720 I thought it was interesting that this scene gets more 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.480 specific and like talks about black women in their thirties specifically, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.200 but they never I was waiting for them to bust 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.080 the numbers, but then the number just kept getting more 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.439 specific in a way that was more aggressive towards them, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.960 and then the scene ended. I was like, oh no, right, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.919 um So, because Kenya's standards are so high, her friends 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.960 encourage her to be more open minded. They say, let 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.720 go let flow. That's like the new motto of all 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.080 the gals in the group. Sounds like a tampon commercial, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.080 but I was like, I'll let's roll with this or 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.960 let go stop flow would be tampas stop flow, maybe 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:06.840 a bad tam um So, because Kenya decides to take 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.159 her friend's advice, she decides to go on this blind 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.679 date after all, and it ends up being with this 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.680 guy named Brian played by Simon Baker. But she's immediately uncomfortable, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.879 perhaps because she's at the most crowded Starbucks of all time, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.280 but she's uncomfortable and she leaves almost immediately, and you 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.439 get the sense that the reason is that she is 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.160 not interested in dating a white man. Then she goes 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:37.000 to Leah's engagement party and she's like, Wow, this landscaping 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:42.840 is amazing. I want landscaping like this from my backyard. Yeah, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.199 I guess who's there. It's Brian and he's like, I 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.520 heard you like my landscaping. I love her. They have 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.560 like five different meat cutes and they're all boring, like 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:59.560 it's like we met at Starbucks. She liked by landscaping, Like, guys, 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.240 we gotta find a better meeting story. And she's having 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.879 like a panic attack at each one because he's like, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.400 I heard you like my landscaping and she's like, um, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:15.320 never mind, I have to go. But she decides to 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.119 hire him for his services, so he shows up. He 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.919 starts brainstorming ideas, but she continues to be you know 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:27.200 quote unquote high strung. At one point, a spider gets 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.520 in her hair or she thinks a spider is in 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.720 her hair, and she like has a meltdown. Basically she's 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.720 just not really being her best self around Brian. Well, 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.320 to be fair, before that spider thing happens. This is 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.400 something Brian does a lot where it's like I think 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.520 I was like, oh, this is very like oh six 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.600 slightly coercive romance where he's like, you're coming to this 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.919 garden with me and she's like, no, I'm not as 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.240 two pm. I am at work. I'm working right now. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.040 And he's like you're coming to this garden with me, 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.720 and she's like, I guess I'm going to this garden 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.479 with you, and then that's kind of how they go 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.760 on all of their day. The way later he's like, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:11.000 and now you're going hiking with me, and she explicitly 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.200 was like, like on a date because if it's a date, 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.360 I'm not interested. And he's like, it's it's just you're 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.320 hiking with me, and she's like, well, I fucking hate hiking, 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.439 so I don't want to go. And also the clothes 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.640 they both wear while they're hiking are not appropriate hiking wear. 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.560 He's really like Brian. I feel like, really is like 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.240 living up to the vibe that his name gives. He's 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.280 really Brian ing out because he's just like a weird 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.880 guy truly. Okay, So meanwhile, at work, Kenya is being 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.680 considered for partner. I it took me a while to 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.520 figure out what her actual job was. She's an accountant, right, 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.120 but I didn't know. I didn't know accountants could be partners, right, 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.240 And she works in the place firm and partners. I 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.320 think I don't know anything of that. I was like, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.159 is that true? Because I was like, I I just 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.480 wrote down like might be a question mark, don't know 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:13.080 firm equals partners, Like does everything that's business work exactly 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.320 like a law firm? I thought she was a lawyer 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.880 for a while, but then they sam saying accounting, well, 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.800 because the firm that she works at sounds like the 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.800 name of a law firm, because it's just a bunch 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.160 of people's last names. I don't remember what they are, 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.280