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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where we

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Speaker 1: take an intersectional feminist look at your favorite movies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we used the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point

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Speaker 1: for discussion on this damn podcast. But Caitlin, what what

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Speaker 1: a media metric sometimes known as the Becktel Wallace test,

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Speaker 1: created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel in her comic Likes

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Speaker 1: which spoiler alert for this movie. There's plenty of it,

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Speaker 1: talk about them with are amazing returning guest, the All Timer.

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Speaker 1: Let's get her in here. I think your sixth appearance

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Speaker 1: She's a comedian. You've seen her on the Tonight Show.

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Speaker 1: Her album follow up question just came out. It's Kennis Mobile. Hi. Hello,

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Speaker 1: it's so nice to see you guys. Welcome back. Great

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Speaker 1: just a little peek inside Kennis's life for the listeners.

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Speaker 1: We're catching Kenise fresh off a trip to Margaritaville. So yes,

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Speaker 1: truly the best. I'm sure you're in high spirits, never

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Speaker 1: at all what she does, not quite. I mean, in

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00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: the grand tradition of women in rom coms having jobs

422
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: that you're like, is that a job this movie very

423
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: much follows. At least she's not a curator at a

424
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: museum or works at a fashion magazine, or an undercover

425
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: journalist at a fashion magazine must sleep with the scoop y,

426
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: so her being made partner is contingent on this account

427
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: she's working on for this guy named Pino, but he

428
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to trust that Kenya can do a good

429
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: job because he's racist and also probably sexist. Probably back

430
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: at home, Brian has started doing the landscaping job. Kenya

431
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: is looking at his muscles. Then her brother Nelson played

432
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: by Donald Fazon, shows up and he's like, you need

433
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: a boyfriend. He jumped scares into the movie. It's the

434
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: most Donald's entrance ever because he's just like a pane

435
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: of glass. They're like, oh, it's turk, yeah, right, And

436
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: then he shows up with his girlfriend and the run

437
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: joke there is that every scene he's in he has

438
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: a different girlfriend, but he shows up with the first girlfriend.

439
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: But he's like, hey, sister, you need a boyfriend. And

440
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: also you went on a blind date with a white guy.

441
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: That's disgusting. How did you know that? Right? It was

442
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: a spy at the Starbucks. I didn't even think of that.

443
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: How did you know that? How do you know? Bizarre character? Um? Anyway,

444
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: so Kenya and her brother Nelson meet up with their

445
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: parents to celebrate their mom's birthday. They go to this

446
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: dance performance that's very sensual and it's and it seems

447
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: which kind of an awkward thing to see you with

448
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: your parents, especially because it seems to awaken something in Kenya.

449
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: This dance makes her horny. I mean, it's a really

450
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: beautiful I was trying to look. I couldn't find I looked.

451
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I was like, who are those dancers? What dance company

452
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: is that? Can I watch more? Couldn't figure it out.

453
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: But and then that was I mean, that's also a

454
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: very mu You're like, oh, of course she directed music

455
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: videos that was like a sexy music video in the

456
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: middle of the movie, Yeah, that's great like that, And

457
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: when it's showing the showcase, like the close up of

458
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Brian's muscles as he's working, all those like little touches

459
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: that have like artistry in what is otherwise a very

460
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: traditional rom com. I liked those a lot. I really

461
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: I love a music video to direct or pivot. It

462
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: just works, except when it's mcg You didn't like Charlie's

463
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Angels one into you didn't like those? I mean I do.

464
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I do have a huge soft spot for Charlie's Angels

465
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: one I will, I have to admit, but I can't.

466
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't vouch for mcg. I don't have

467
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: enough vouch Um. Was there not a kind of random

468
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: dance scene in the episode that we covered with you

469
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: can before this one and she's got to have it?

470
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Isn't there a scene where like they watch a dance?

471
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar? Yes, it's because the whole most of

472
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: the movies in black and mike, except for this dance

473
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: in color. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I have a very

474
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: different like filmed dancing. But yeah, wow, Okay, I'm sensing patterns.

475
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: Listeners think nice mobile dance break, think it make that

476
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: a thing started, the new merch coming out. So I

477
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: look at them. Let's get the ball rolling on, Let's

478
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: make it happen. Okay. So she's hoarding now because she

479
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: watched this dance. Then one night Brian is working late

480
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: on her backyard. She orders them take out. They have

481
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: some wine together. They talk about romance and dating and

482
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: she's like, I prefer dating black men, and he's like, well,

483
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I like all women, and she's I like that. She

484
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of in a way that I felt I agreed with.

485
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: She was like, oh you you know, she's like or

486
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, so you're like a player, he's a ship.

487
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And he's like, no, no, that my mom.

488
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just Brian. Don't worry about your right.

489
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: And then there's the scene where he makes her go

490
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: hiking despite her many protests, and it gets romantic because

491
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: it starts pouring rain, so they need to like go

492
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: to a tree and and kiss. Yeah, that's necessary in

493
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: the rain. So got it, got it. But as he's

494
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: dropping her off back home, she's like, this is not

495
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: going to go any further by. But then he comes

496
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: into her house and they kiss passionately and they have sex.

497
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: He paints or tow nails. Yes, I was like he does,

498
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: he does? He like? I was like, wow, wiki feet

499
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: was just not around then it because I just don't

500
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: think you would see that in a movie today. Jamie,

501
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: are you on wiki fee? I am on? I have

502
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: five stars? Thank you for asking five stars. Yeah, Caitlin,

503
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: are you on wiky feet? I've never looked, but I

504
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: don't imagine I am. But I don't know. I'm on

505
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: wiky feet and I'm so mad that I'm only three

506
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: and like a quarter stars my feet are apparently that's

507
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: what the Internet has voted that I have bad feet.

508
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: Yes see, I would like to just pose it. My

509
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: feet are pretty gross and they seem to like that.

510
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: So it may just be a compliment to your feet

511
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: because I have like little like I call them hobbit feet.

512
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: They're just like they don't have a real shape. They're flat,

513
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: They're just like a weird triangle that's at the base

514
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: of their giant toughs of fur on them like hobbits. Yeah. Yeah,

515
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it. That's that's that's

516
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: besides the point. But yeah, I've got habit feed in

517
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: there for three point to five or something that. Yeah,

518
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got I got hair on my toes,

519
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: but they just don't give a ship. There's a there's

520
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: a new uh, there's a new foot website someone told

521
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: me about called girl foot dot com, which just feels

522
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: two on the nose. Yeah. I checked and it's real

523
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: and got a page there to you're gonna look at

524
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it after this. See if I'm on there, see if

525
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm similarly lowly ranked. Come on, I hope you're pulling

526
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: a five over on girlfoot. Who knows what they're doing

527
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: over there. I'm gonna have to like hire a photographer

528
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: to take photos of me with my feet in it

529
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: just so that I can get a higher foot rating

530
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: on Wiki feet. Maybe that's and then you're playing right

531
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: into their damn it feet. You're playing right into the

532
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: soles of their feet. Wow, that's exactly what they want. Okay.

533
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: So meanwhile in the movie, Kenya and Brian have had sex.

534
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: The next morning, they're doing pillow talk and he asks

535
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: about her hair. He's not sure how weaves work, and

536
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: this prompts her to realize that this relationship with this

537
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: white guy and their cultural differences will never work. So

538
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: she tells him to leave, and she also fires him

539
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: as her landscaper. That don't do that, employers. It does

540
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: seem like he's almost done. He does, yes, yeah, And

541
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: then her friends are like, Kenya, if he can dick

542
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: you down, well, who cares if he's white, Go for it,

543
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: Let go, let flow. I love that the white is

544
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: the problem, not the doesn't listen when I say I

545
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: don't want to do things, or the fact that he

546
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: like lets his he brings his dog to work. I

547
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know, there's lots of issues. He's also the white thing,

548
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: the white thing. He's extremely condescending to her on many occasions. Yeah,

549
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: he's like coercive and the activities that he wants her

550
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: to do, just like all this stuff. They don't even

551
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: know each other well. And he's like, yeah, you're too uptight,

552
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: and she says, does it show? And I don't know

553
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: why that made me so mad, like saying, bitch, you

554
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: don't know me what you're talking about. Also, are you

555
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: doing your job, Like, get out of my house some

556
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: of your business? Maybe alone, it's nighttime? Why are you here?

557
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: I really hated how he talked to her about her hair.

558
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: And then but and then, like every time he does

559
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: something like that, he'll then be like what you're like why?

560
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: And I have a whole list what do you mean?

561
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: So her friends are like, but he's got a good dick,

562
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: so who cares? And so she decides to keep seeing him.

563
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, if the dick was bad, could she still

564
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: be racist? It's like, if the dick is bad, you're right, Kenya,

565
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: just right off white boys entirely that one. The whole

566
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: thing is bad. Get rid of it. Who knows um.

567
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: She decides to keep seeing him. She also has her

568
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: we've taken out. Then there's a montage of them being

569
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: cute and romantic together. This is when he paints her toenails.

570
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: They go to a comedy show where some Moore is

571
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: doing stand up. She does a whole set. She does

572
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: a whole set, very funny. Sett as laughing, but some

573
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: of her friends are skeptical about Kenya being with a

574
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: white guy, especially Walter played by Mike Epps. And also

575
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a scene where Kenya has to explain the Black

576
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: tax to Brian, where because of systemic racism, black people

577
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: have to work twice as hard just to prove they

578
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: are equal. And he's like, what, I had no idea,

579
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: And then he did, oh he did the Brian thing

580
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: where he where he's like are you sure, are you

581
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: sure you're not being dramatic or like are you sure

582
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: you're not like paranoid paranoid? Oh my god. He literally like,

583
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: are you sure you're not being hysterical? And she's like, no,

584
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm not, and he's like, okay, You're like sure. Look

585
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: and Brian, there's just so many reasons to not to

586
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: not be reading for Brian really both of them, to

587
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: be honest, like she has a nothing personality, he's kind

588
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: of a person. Do they deserve each other? Maybe I

589
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: did write that. I was like, these people are too

590
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: different flavors of boring and like they want to like

591
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: something that does I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, this

592
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: is probably something I've done where you're like, wow, a

593
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: different kind of boring than me. It must mean that's interesting.

594
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: And then you're like, no, it's just not my boring.

595
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: It's that person's too, and that can work. Two borings

596
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: cancel out and make an interesting. Um. He's like, have

597
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: you ever heard of like aquamarine paint. I'm like, oh

598
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: my god, these two. And she's like, no, I'm too boring.

599
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I only like beige, and we're like, beige is my favorite.

600
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: It's silly, okay. So then Kenya throws a housewarming party.

601
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Her brother Nelson is trying to set her up with

602
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: this guy Mark played by Blair Underwood, who Nelson had

603
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: invited to the party. So they meet and Mark asks

604
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: her out, but she's like, I don't know. Meanwhile, Kenya

605
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: is starting to question her relationship with Brian, especially when

606
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: he brushes her off to talk about race and the

607
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: microaggressions she's experiencing at work. There's this scene in a

608
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: grocery store where she gives a few monologues that I

609
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: want to examine more closely. But basically, they break up.

610
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: So Kenya goes out with Mark and they hit it

611
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: off and they have a lot in common. But a

612
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, Brian shows up and apologizes to Kenya.

613
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: He wants to make things work, but she's like, nah,

614
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I met someone. He says, I love you. He does say,

615
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: he really goes for it. How long were they dating?

616
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? How long did this landscaping job take for

617
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: him to say that, I'm sorry? Breckyard is not that big.

618
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Maybe a few weeks, I'm not sure. Maybe,

619
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: And then he puts the most two thousand six looking

620
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: fountain I've ever seen in my life, Like the kind

621
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: of fountains he was installing. They're looking pretty rough these days,

622
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: they're they're looking kind of old. Yeah. Yeah. So she

623
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: keeps seeing Mark, but something doesn't feel quite right. He's

624
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: perfect on paper, but she doesn't feel any spark, so

625
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: she breaks up with him. How long because they meet

626
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: him like her parents meet him. How long are they dated?

627
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: The timeline for everything is very oh what, I'm not sure,

628
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: and Kenya's friends are like, well, if you felt that

629
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: spark with Brian, then maybe reconsider. But Brian has gotten

630
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: back together with his ex girlfriend Penelope. Then at work,

631
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Kenya has made partner after she stands up for herself.

632
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: She like, does I think that there's like a micro

633
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: second of tension where she stands up for herself during

634
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: a meeting where she's once again being treated in a

635
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: very racist, misogynist way, and then she goes back and

636
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I like I honestly I was. I

637
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: kind of I liked that she did get the promotion

638
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: and it went the correct roum com way, because I

639
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: was like, if she leaves her, I would be so

640
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: pissed for her. But then she does. She a you know,

641
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: the the guy never apologizes for being racist the whole movie,

642
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: but he's like, hey, your partner, so I guess I'm

643
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: redeemed and whatever my name is, and you're like, all right, right.

644
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Then Kenya goes with her family to a cotillion, which

645
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: is something I only know about because Rose talks about

646
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: it in Titanic She's like it was gonna be an

647
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: endless parade of parties and cortillions, and I was like, wow,

648
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: that must mean fancy party. Yeah. Yeah, I think my

649
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: sister did that. Really, Yes, my older sister, not my

650
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: twin sister, because that would be messed up before. It's

651
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: like she got to do it and they were like, now,

652
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: we don't think you need to be introduced to society

653
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: in such a way. So yeah, but my older sister

654
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: did it. She had a white cotillion dress, long gloves,

655
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: there was a guy, there was lots of conversations around it. Yeah.

656
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: It just means that there's pictures in my mom's house

657
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: of my older sister in a cool dress and a

658
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of other black teenager is just trying to be fancy.

659
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: It is like a teenager thing, right, because you're like

660
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: a debut, you're being debuted. All these people in this

661
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: movie seem to be adults, so it's like they're attending

662
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: it because I think it's like in a community event. Um,

663
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think she's not supposed to be in

664
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: this like wave of people who are being introduced to society.

665
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't think. Okay, I get it, no, because she

666
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: because she shows Brian a picture of herself when she

667
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: was debuted, when she was a teenager, so I think, yeah,

668
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: she's it's like she's attending as a community member. Because

669
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: then they also show like just a random music video

670
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: e montage of teenagers walking down the being like I'm

671
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: a woman, now you can marry me or whatever it's

672
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: supposed to me. And I don't is that is how

673
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: what it's for. I don't quite understand. I think it's

674
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: the same thing as that. Yeah, it's like, Okay, these

675
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: are the seasons eligible ladies who are fresh and new.

676
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: Um look at these umber of women who are fresh

677
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: and new. Pick one marrier. I don't know. These are

678
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: the people who was acceptable to have kids with. Don't

679
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: have kids with other people. They're gross. Poor people are gross.

680
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Get him out of here. Um. So. And then at

681
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: this cortillion, Kenya is getting drunk and she's like loudly

682
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: roasting it. She's like, good luck finding love, and she's

683
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of like calling out the classism of it all.

684
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: And then she goes to the bathroom and starts crying

685
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: because she misses Brian or something. How long ago did

686
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: they break up? I don't know what timeline unclear. And

687
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: then her dad comes into the restroom and he's like yeah.

688
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: But then he's like, I'm a doctor because another woman

689
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: comes into the like ladies restroom, and he's just like,

690
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: I've seen it all, I've done it all. I'm a doctor.

691
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: I can be here, um, And so her dad is like, look,

692
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: love is an adventure. I can tell that you love Brian,

693
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: so go do something at out it. So Kenya gets

694
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: in her brother's Jaguar or something and she races off.

695
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: She finds Brian and she's like, you're the one that

696
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I want. I can be myself around you, and you

697
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: love me the way I am. Isn't he dating someone

698
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: at this time? Yes, he's still with Penelope, I think.

699
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: But she's like I love you and he's like, well,

700
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: I love you too, and I never stopped loving you.

701
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: And then they kisskis kiss, why are you? Penelope's like

702
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: she's like, I was minding my own business and you

703
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: came back into my life. What. Yeah, it is bizarre

704
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: that he gets back with his long term ex like

705
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: that's yes, that's a hard left. That's a hard don't

706
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: do that, Brian. Grow up, Brian. So they kiss and

707
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: then she brings him back to the cotillion and they

708
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: dance and then they cut to their wedding the end.

709
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: So let's take a break and we will come back

710
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're back where to start? I mean,

711
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to start by like shouting out like

712
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: the key creatives in this movie. So we do have

713
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: we have. We've already given the full list of works

714
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: from Sanahamri, who is really cool. She also has I

715
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about her background, but she's um, she's

716
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: Moroccan by birth, she's half Jewish. She's like, she's got

717
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: a really multicultural background, and she's a music video director.

718
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: But this is like, it's a you know, it's a

719
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: movie about black women in their thirties made by women

720
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: of color around that age, even though the director wasn't

721
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: even thirty, which made me feel great about myself. We

722
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: also have a kind of like legendary TV writer who

723
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: is also a black woman. Her name is Chris Turner.

724
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know her by name, but she wrote on

725
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of every show for a while. She wrote on

726
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: Everybody Hates Chris, she wrote on Sister Sister, she wrote

727
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: on The Cosby Show, she wrote on Living Single, so

728
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: she had the four Friends uh system down already. I'm

729
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: also seeing Bernie Max Shew Bernie Mac show, Whoopee Home Economics.

730
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: She's working right now, so she's like a legendary. She's

731
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: mostly in TV. But I just thought it was cool

732
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: that it was like, oh, this is what we talked

733
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: about all the time of like random white guys or

734
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: white women taking the reins on stories that don't that

735
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: aren't theirs. Um so and how you can tell and

736
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: for this movie, I mean, it is trying to do

737
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: some stuff and I think it probably would have been

738
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: kind of groundbreaking for two thousand six. Um. Luckily we

739
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: have moved past we had this, and that's encouraging. Um

740
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: because like mainstream rom coms skew so white and so

741
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: there's kind of it wouldn't occur to anyone, like any

742
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: of the characters to address anything like racism, because like

743
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: rom coms operate on a premise of there needs to

744
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: be something keeping these characters from being fully together until

745
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: the very end, something needs to be getting in the way,

746
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: and oftentimes, especially with like hyper white rom coms, it

747
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: will be like a lie or a misunderstanding or a bet.

748
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Think of like how to lose a guy in ten

749
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: days while you were sleeping, those like teen rom coms

750
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: of the nineties, like ten Things I Hate About You,

751
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: or She's all that. There's all these like kind of

752
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: very contrived, like very like movie things that never happened

753
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: in real life, or like a person that's like most

754
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: of the j Lo ones, except it made in Manhattan.

755
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: It's class Where is it a lie? Is she lying

756
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: and made in Manhattin? Is she pretends? Yeah, she's pretending

757
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: to be rich. Yeah, she's pretending to be a lady

758
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: who's staying at the hotel versus lady who works there.

759
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: She wasn't visible before, but now because she's that's the person,

760
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: but wearing a nice coat, she is fancy and therefore

761
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: deserving of love. Yes, right, the class based lie. Yes,

762
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: So it's always things like that, whereas in this movie,

763
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: the thing that's getting in the way is far more

764
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: grounded and realistic, and it happens in real life, which

765
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: is like tension from being in an interracial relationship. Does

766
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: the movie handle this amazingly well? I would say probably not.

767
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: It could go but yes, right, I think we've had

768
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: as a society much better conversations about race, We're not done,

769
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: but had better conversations around it, and so the expectations

770
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: are also different, because surely if today a man was like,

771
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you're being sensitive, I'd be like,

772
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: fuck you off. Like it's it is. There is still

773
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: like the classic round com implication that like he quote

774
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: unquote fixes her with his mediocre coercion tactics. I was like,

775
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: with his magic penis, he had colored to her life, right.

776
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was very rare for a rom com

777
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: from the mid two thousand's to address things like microaggressions

778
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: and white privilege and things like that, so I was

779
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: surprised that it was having those conversations. For me, this

780
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: movie felt like, I don't know, it felt like two

781
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: things being true at one time. A lot of the

782
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: times we're like in Oh six, I can't think of

783
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: another movie that was even attempting this discussion. I like

784
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: that it's being at one what is it Guess Who?

785
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: With Asidon Coultcher and Bernie Mac. Oh my god, I

786
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: where they are similarly dealing with a white guy, black

787
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: girl Bernie Mac as the father. But it is not good.

788
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: I was going to say something more educated than that,

789
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: but genuinely. That movie is not good, nor did it

790
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: say anything particularly meaningful about the black experience. It's just

791
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: they've swapped it because it's supposed to be like a

792
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: new version of Guests Who's Coming to Dinners? And while

793
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: that one was supposed to like push boundaries and be

794
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: a conversation starter, this one was not that. Yeah, I

795
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: don't think anyone really remembers guests who and they shouldn't.

796
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: I do remember Ashton Coultcher really was working back then.

797
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: I feel like he didn't deserve to meet Bernie mac

798
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: but that's my opinion. And then Zoe Zoey saw Donna is,

799
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah the woman that marry Ashton, could your be serious

800
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: and his dreams in two thousand and six? Maybe that

801
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: was maybe he was punked and she was just center

802
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: stage what and she was Wow, she was crossroads? How

803
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: times have changed? Well in comparison? If that, then something

804
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: new is groundberg breaking, revolutionary, never been done before. Um,

805
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: but I do like it was. I wanted to go

806
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: back to like how this movie was reviewed or like

807
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: received at the time, because it seemed to be received

808
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: pretty well and again, like another gigantic issue of the

809
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: two thousand's and still today, but less so than before.

810
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: It's like you still have just vastly majority white movie critics,

811
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: and so all of us needs to be taken with

812
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: a gigantic grain of salt because you're like, well, I

813
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: don't know how we should feel about how you know,

814
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert feels about this topic, although he gave this

815
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: movie a terrific review three and a half out of

816
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: four stars, because to me, this is the same level

817
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: as Silver Linings Playbook. In Silver Linings Playbook a lot

818
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: of awards, and to me, I put those on these

819
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: on the same footings where there's uh, salsa dancing competition,

820
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: we have seventies episode of The Brady Bunch. What are

821
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: you talking about? UM? I think that, Like, the movie

822
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: was received pretty positively. I mean, it was received as

823
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: a rom com of like, this is a really like

824
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen a rom com explore these themes. But

825
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: but the tone of a lot of the reviews, I

826
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: just like, I don't feel good or bad about it.

827
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: But I was like, that's interesting, Like they all mentioned

828
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: like I've never seen this topic even attempted in this

829
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: genre before, and I was like, oh, I guess that, Like, yeah,

830
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: that that is a big thing. But also we can

831
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: hold the truth of Brian socks. Okay, Brian sucks, but

832
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: m Kenya also kind of subs dude, Like, think of

833
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: your friend groups, none of you would hang out with

834
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: her because she doesn't have any interest or a perspective

835
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: or a visual style or and she's nothing outside of that.

836
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: She works really hard, which is great, But what did

837
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: she what do he like? Is she funny? She loves

838
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: beige and she hates the color red and dogs when

839
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: she's self identified as beige. I was like, that is

840
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: a bold move because most people, like, even if you

841
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: are personality beige, don't usually admit it, Like you think

842
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: you're interesting, right right? Everyone thinks they're interesting. But but

843
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that Kenya really

844
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: thinks that about herself. But it also doesn't seem like

845
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: a concern, Like she's just like I am who I am,

846
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: which is beautiful. But also like Brian wants to change her. Yeah,

847
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know does he like her or does he

848
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: like the changed version of her that he hopes to create?

849
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Good question, But I also like personality beige as a

850
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: description of a type of person, and I will be

851
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: using it moving forward, just like him personality page. Um yeah,

852
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, can we go through the ways that he

853
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: is a shitty person, because he's often talking to her

854
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: in a way that's very judgmental, condescending. He's doing the

855
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, the the gas lighty thing

856
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: of like, are you sure you're not just being paranoid?

857
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: People are being racist to you? Yeah? Oh you need

858
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: to relax. Yeah, let me see. Okay. So, so this

859
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: is the scene where I think they're like having take

860
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: out together in her house. He comments on all of

861
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: her like walls and furniture and everything being so beige,

862
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: and I ask you, yeah, I hate yeah, And and

863
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: he's like, when are you gonna paint? When are you

864
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna bring some color in here? Colors are exciting and bold,

865
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I'm not bold, I'm boring. He's like,

866
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: I don't even think you know who you are. You

867
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: haven't taken the time to get to know yourself because

868
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: always working. You don't excuse you frostrating, right, sir. He's

869
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: very like, I don't know. Yeah, he's very like thinks

870
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: he knows her way better than he does immediately, which

871
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: she pushes back on. She's like, yeah, you don't know me,

872
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: but I guess I was having trouble getting into my

873
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: two thousand six brain in certain moments where I'm like,

874
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to feel about her in this moment?

875
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: Because it's obvious that, like the script and the movie

876
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: are very on her side. We're seeing things generally through

877
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: her perspective, So I don't think at any point you're

878
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, I don't like her, But there's

879
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, are we supposed to think she's

880
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: being unreasonable right now by like telling Brian who's telling

881
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: her who she is and like what she should do?

882
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we were supposed to think she's

883
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: been she needs to loosen up because look at this.

884
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Look at this, Brian, And you're like, I don't know.

885
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: They do that from the very beginning. When she does

886
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: look at her calendar and it's just thing after thing

887
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: after things, they're like, wow, look how uptight the bitches

888
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: instead of like she's important and busy, just like a

889
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: genre wide trope of like it reminded me of a

890
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: movie I barely remember, but it's like the strongest I've

891
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: ever felt this trope. The Sandra Bullock two weeks notice

892
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: where she's like, I'm I need to be forced to

893
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: be married because I'm I'm so at work, and you're

894
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, the trope of a woman can't have

895
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: a romantic life because she already has a job. You

896
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: can't have both, and you gotta be a little worse

897
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: at your job so that men will like you because

898
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: they're not going to like you as this confident, successful woman. No,

899
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: stop that, that's gross. Stop it. You got to be

900
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: less less. Dial it back. So a few moments later,

901
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: in this same conversation, in the same scene, he says

902
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: something like, I take it you don't date white guys,

903
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: and she says, I happen to prefer black men. It's

904
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: not a prejudice, it's a preference. And then he responds with, sure,

905
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: it's your preference to be prejudice. First of all, you

906
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: can't be prejudice or racist against the fucking oppressive class,

907
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: Like you can't that, it's not how it works. And

908
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, your prejudice because you don't like

909
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: white people who have been actively oppressing you for your

910
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: entire life and all of existence. And then he does

911
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: make this little face he makes this. I just I

912
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: went back and watched it again. He makes this, he

913
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: makes his little face with that. To me was like

914
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: he's like, I just blew her fucking mind. And it's like,

915
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: oh my god. There's two things going on there. There

916
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: is like I don't think it's great for you without

917
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: any sort of background in it or knowledge to say like, oh,

918
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: there's an entire race of people and I don't date them.

919
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that's great. But if most of your

920
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: interactions do involve like, oh, yeah, I explain what my

921
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: life is as a woman of color, and they're like,

922
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: maybe you're just being paranoid. I think that's like if

923
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: you are doing some thing besides that, then yes, maybe

924
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: she should consider you. But why should she consider you

925
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: If you don't think her experience is valid? Why should

926
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: she consider you? She does all the time constantly. His

927
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: whole thing is here's how you are, but here's how

928
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: you should be. And when you say anything, I'm not

929
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: gonna listen. I'm not gonna believe you. I'm not going

930
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: to validate anything. And it's like, why would she want that?

931
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: But but she does, apparently because they get married at

932
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the end, they do she says, I can be diminished

933
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, but you know what,

934
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: it's worth it because I had a day. I had

935
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: a day where I wore a fancy dress and it

936
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: means that I'm valid. Baby. We're doing this for all,

937
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: for the for the roast of Brian, and partially Kenya's

938
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: personality that we're about to unleash. I will say the

939
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: freeze frame shot this movie ends on what a beautiful picture.

940
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: They really are both so hot and you're just like, Wow,

941
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: they're attractive people. That's a picture that I would scroll

942
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: pass on Instagram and be like, I want what they

943
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: I get it. But also is that the piece that

944
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm missing because the only thing I think they have

945
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: in common is that they are hot. They're both hot. Yeah,

946
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: well that's I mean, that's a classic rom that all

947
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: the sexies equals one. Two sexies who are geographically near

948
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: each other equals love, according to rom coms. The outside

949
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: of that, what do they have in common? Yeah they don't.

950
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: What do they like? He likes hiking, he likes gardening,

951
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: he likes his dog. She doesn't like any of those things.

952
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: She likes the dog. By the end, that is the

953
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: change that's the one change which I think it's a mistake.

954
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: You're letting a dog in your house like this. I'm sorry.

955
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: I know you both feel differently, but no, that's gross.

956
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: It's already felt. The animal that like walks right by

957
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: its own ship, Are you kidding me? And it's gonna

958
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: walk with its bear paws? But look at Max, he's cute.

959
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: I like, she bought a house in Los Angeles, like you,

960
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: you can't let anyone. First of all, I was, I

961
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: was really, I was like, wow, she must be making

962
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: good money as accountant partner, and and it's cool that

963
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: they like And I don't know, there are parts of

964
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: this movie I liked where it's like you see the

965
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: most of the movie happens in like Baldwin Hills, and

966
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: you see like historically black areas of l a that

967
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: aren't shown in movies a lot, and like that part,

968
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: and then and then her house is so cute, And

969
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: then I was like, yeah, I don't let especially like

970
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: a new boyfriend's big stinky dog. I like dogs, but

971
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: only if it's mine, Like, if it's yours, it shouldn't

972
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: be at the house. If it's mine, it's got to

973
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: be at the house. Wow, a brave stance to take,

974
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: But to your point, I did. That's one thing that

975
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: I the reason why I bought this movie. The reason

976
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: why I've seen this movie several times is because it

977
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: did have a lot of things in it that I

978
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: hadn't seen before. So, like I lived in Los Angeles

979
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 1: for a period of time, I hadn't seen Baldwin Hills

980
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: represented in this way. I hadn't seen a movie where

981
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: it was like for black professional women like doing stuff.

982
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen a lot of that before. So in

983
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: that way, for me, it was sorry, something new. But

984
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: now I do think that stuff is dated. Yeah, yeah,

985
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah, you do see representation of characters

986
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: and situations you don't normally see, especially for this era.

987
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: Like a main character who is a black woman with

988
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: like a white collar job. She's rich, she's successful. All

989
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: of her black friends and her family members have white

990
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: collar jobs, their doctors, their lawyers, their judges. She knows

991
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: her worth as a professional, even though other people around

992
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: her are constantly questioning it, like that client guy. But

993
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: like she knows her value. She never like questions that

994
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: she knows her skills as relates to her as an

995
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: accountant at Pippity Poppity Boop, the account that I did

996
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: feel like at the end of what what did what

997
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: did you all think? Over this? We're at the and

998
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: she stands up for herself at work, and it's like

999
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: a good scene, and you're like, Okay, she got what

1000
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: she wanted out of that, Like she is gonna have

1001
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: this job on her own terms, and she's gonna have

1002
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: two days off a month, and that was a huge

1003
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: win for look at her advocating for herself. She gets

1004
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: four day hours with which to be a human being.

1005
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: The rest you guys own, she really girl boss way

1006
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: out of that one. But but I felt like, again

1007
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: like I was trying to figure out. I was like,

1008
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: how does the movie want me to feel in this moment?

1009
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: I felt like it was like, Wow, because of Brian's love,

1010
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm able to stand up for myself now, which doesn't

1011
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: even track with their relationship, Like it just was like, yeah,

1012
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess that this is what happens in two thousand

1013
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: six rom coms at this point. But it's like I

1014
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: liked the read of that scene where she's like spent

1015
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the movie figuring out what she wants

1016
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: and what she doesn't want and like what she will

1017
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: accept his treatment and what she won't, even though accepting

1018
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: Brian makes no sense. Um, if your standards are are

1019
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: raising throughout the movie. But I don't know. I felt

1020
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: like it was like, oh, and because Brian's Dick taught

1021
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: me so much, I can now stand up for myself

1022
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: at accountants And I don't know, but I couldn't tell. No,

1023
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't that. I feel like that that makes me

1024
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: not question that you don't believe my experience. That's a

1025
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: magical that's I don't think I've had dick that does that. No,

1026
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: I've yet dick that makes you feel confident. Interesting. But

1027
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Jamie as far as that the way. Sorry,

1028
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking something up on girl foot. Um No, but

1029
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I think that that is

1030
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: the intention of the movie. Like he broke her out

1031
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: of her shell, like he he does the whole Jack

1032
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: Dawson thing to Rose where it's like I'm a free

1033
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: spirit and I am helping you to open up blah

1034
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: blah blah, even though she has her friends to do that. Whatever.

1035
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: But going back to the part that feels dated to

1036
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: me about like this representation of these like rich and

1037
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: successful black people. Is that that is accompanied by a

1038
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: lot of classism, where like Donald Fazons like, oh, I'm

1039
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: not going to shake hands with him, he's the help.

1040
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: Cheryl her Kenya's friend starts dating Mike Epps, who is

1041
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure his job. I don't know if

1042
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: he's like a fancy chef or if he's like a

1043
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: line cook. I don't feel is unclear in this movie,

1044
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: but she perceives him to be lower class because she's like, oh,

1045
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: how come the only guys who like me are the

1046
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: ones like wearing an apron and a named They end

1047
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: up getting together and I think getting married. But I

1048
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is I think there could have

1049
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: been a more interesting intersectional approach to this, just kind

1050
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: of like romance and just like interpersonal relationships in general.

1051
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: But they are classist in a way that I tend

1052
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: to associate more with rich white people. I mean, anyone

1053
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: can be classist. The point is, I think that those

1054
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: characters attitudes would be handled differently if this movie came

1055
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: out today. Yes, agree, because I think we do have

1056
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: more class consciousness and it is very frustrating. Um. I

1057
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: was raised of course not only in a black home,

1058
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: but a religious black home, and like a lot of

1059
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: my family is still Republican, but there is this very

1060
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: deep tie to know we are going to prove racist

1061
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: wrong by out capitalist ng them, and so we're gonna

1062
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: We're like, if we have more money, we show that

1063
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: we are valuable and that we are not the thing

1064
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: that racists think we are. If we do this elaborate sharade,

1065
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: which is what Casilians are, where it's like we're like

1066
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: society too, if we can do this just as well,

1067
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: like we're and I'm like, let's step away from that.

1068
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: Maybe we have value because they're human beings. We don't

1069
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: have that value because we're wealthy. It's a frustrating thing

1070
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: that they do, and I think specifically in the early

1071
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: two thousands where it's like, Okay, we want to show

1072
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: black people, but we don't want to fall into stereotypes.

1073
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: So all of them have to be kind of perfect,

1074
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: all of them have to be professional, all of them

1075
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: have to have money, all of them have to be

1076
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: in this way because that shows we've advanced versus that

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: shows some really flat characters like Kenya, Like that's how

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01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: you get I love beige interesting, and I don't necessarily

1079
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: like blame the characters for having that kind of mindset

1080
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: of being like, we have to be like the richest

1081
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: people in the community to prove our worth because we've

1082
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: all been brainwashed by capitalism, and certainly in two thousands six,

1083
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: like there was not that much challenging of class, at

1084
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: least in the main strand exactly, I'm thinking of Paris

1085
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Hilton wearing a shirt that has stop being poor, and

1086
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: that was like, God, what probably that's about. Yeah, so

1087
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: I get that happened because we were all poisoned by

1088
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: the sickness that is capitalism. But but yeah, I'm glad

1089
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: that we are stepping away from that to some degree.

1090
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: And when you when you like put the sort of

1091
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: like the racing class intersection of this movie the way

1092
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: you just did conu it's weird because it's like, I

1093
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm like, maybe it just is the time

1094
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: that this was written and released in, because it's not

1095
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: like this movie isn't set up to have that discussion.

1096
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: It's just like, because this movie is trying to have

1097
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of discussions, you know, to varying degrees of success.

1098
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: As we're talking about but like I think it's like

1099
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: cool and like ambitious and different of like a lot

1100
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: of the conversations this movie is at least attempting, but

1101
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: like Class isn't really one of them. And I feel

1102
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: like in certain moments it's like I don't know. I mean,

1103
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know in a way that felt like I

1104
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: think I understand what the writer is going for it,

1105
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: but it just kind of came off a little flat

1106
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like Brian does have less money

1107
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: than Kenya, it doesn't seem to generally bother him. But

1108
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: there is one scene where they're arguing about race, and

1109
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: it's also like this is unrelated, but that stage is

1110
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: very blue. Um. I was like, why is this seeing

1111
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: so blue? Grocery store lighting is famously so blue, so

1112
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: it's very music video lighting because you're like it's blue. Um.

1113
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: But they're arguing at the at the pharmacy in the

1114
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: scene where I hate Brian maybe the most, where he

1115
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: is saying like can we not talk about race today?

1116
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: I just need the night off, and like you're just like, wow,

1117
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: strike five for Brian. Um. But he sort of brings

1118
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: up he brings up class briefly in that discussion of like, well,

1119
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't bring up class all the time and sort

1120
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: of equating these issues, and it's like it just feels

1121
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: like class is almost brought up as like, well, Brian's

1122
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: really oppressed too, and it's like, well, no, being a

1123
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: middle class white guy, like he's he's not like but

1124
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: it felt like the movie would sometimes try to approach

1125
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: a discussion like that, but then it never quite like

1126
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: even started the conversation, so I don't even know how

1127
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: it really felt. I honestly felt the same way about

1128
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: gender not being woven into the conversation that to me,

1129
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the women feel oppressed only because it's

1130
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: like no one loves me, I don't have a boyfriends,

1131
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: is that they aren't getting dates? Um. I mean, I

1132
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: think it's open to interpretation. But for example, like when

1133
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: she's talking to that client in the recap, I was like,

1134
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: he's racist and also probably sexist, but like it seems

1135
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: like she was only ever speaking about him undervaluing her

1136
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: because she's black and not because she's a black woman,

1137
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: even though this guy is probably sexist also because he

1138
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: is trusting of only white men, right, It's like not

1139
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: like I was, I was kind of confused of where

1140
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: they not that I wanted more of her, but I

1141
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: was kind of confused why we would introduce the character

1142
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: Leah if because I thought I was like, oh, maybe

1143
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: this is going to be a character of like how

1144
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: is a white woman treated in this work setting versus

1145
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: a black woman? But you never kind of see You

1146
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: only see Leah worrying about her wedding dress at work,

1147
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: and I think you see her work. I don't know

1148
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: is she accountant to I don't know she just probably

1149
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: because the women in this story, aside from Kenya, we

1150
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: don't see them in the context of what they're actually

1151
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: doing for work. Nope, we only know of them as

1152
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: they relate to their relationships with men. So I do

1153
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: think this is not an excuse for the movie. But

1154
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: I do this is not a nude tests that exist.

1155
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: There are so many tests for movies out there, but

1156
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: I do I run a what would my mom say? Test? Okay,

1157
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: if the movie has too many ideas going on, I

1158
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: think people like within our age range and younger or like, yes,

1159
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: we get all these, but my mom would be like,

1160
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: what was that thing about that other? Like I thought

1161
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: the story was about this one thing, So that I

1162
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: know this one thing, but then you added some other

1163
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: stuff in there. I don't know what are we talking

1164
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: about now, So I will say that just having one

1165
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: thing that it's talking about does lean it towards the

1166
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: passing the will my mom like this test? My mom

1167
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: test yes? Well? And I also want to be like

1168
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: aware of like the fact that when movies are made

1169
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,879
Speaker 1: by people marginalize in any way, there's always additional pressures

1170
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: of like you need to be saying this, this and this,

1171
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: and like I don't want to be a part of

1172
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: that problem of like why didn't this movie attack every

1173
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: single her sexual issue with black women's face. Why it's like, well,

1174
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: shut up, you don't ask that of most movies. Um,

1175
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: I think that like the reason and also like listeners,

1176
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: if you disagree with the approach, like let us know,

1177
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: I think that the reason that it feels very relevant

1178
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: to this movie is because it seems to be this

1179
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: movie's agenda. But I agree with you and your mom's

1180
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: theoretical opinion of of like it seems like possibly like

1181
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: Chris Turner was like, I need to choose, you know,

1182
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: what am I going to focus on? And she chooses,

1183
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, race specifically to focus on. But I do,

1184
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: but it's like there was definitely room and and kind

1185
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: of like the characters were there to talk a little

1186
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: more about gender. I would love for one of them

1187
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: to have a passion, just sing passion. And there are

1188
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: a few things set up at the beginning of this

1189
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: movie that I feel like kind of fell to quote

1190
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: my favorite song from a Star is Born by the

1191
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: Wayside because of Brian, and I know that he's romantically

1192
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: in the round call whatever. But it's like at the beginning,

1193
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: you set up that Kenya is an inherently optimistic character,

1194
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: which kind of seems to go away, and then you

1195
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: also set up this like friendship, this very two thousand's

1196
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: friendship dynamic, and as weird as that friendship dynamic is,

1197
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: and it's like the four women, you know, that could

1198
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: be a really fun dynamic to watch, but the movie

1199
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: kind of bails on that also, and then they kind

1200
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: of only come back to be like, come on, give

1201
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: Brian a chance, or depending on the needs of the scene,

1202
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: come on, give Blair under what a chance? Like what,

1203
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: So they kind of bail on the girlfriend slash sacks

1204
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: in the city slash living single setup that we get

1205
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and I kind of. I was bummed

1206
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: about that. I wanted more of it, and I wanted more.

1207
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: It's like you hired Alfrey Woodard and then you and

1208
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: then you did nothing with her. Come on, gave the

1209
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: big speech to the dad. Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry. Just

1210
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: when you said that, I was like, okay, new reality show, guys,

1211
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: and this idea. Don't steal anyone who's listening. But it's

1212
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: a competition for four person friend group, okay. And we've

1213
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: got people, different contestants vying for the different roles. We've

1214
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: got to have one horny one, we've got to have

1215
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: one up tight one. We've got to have like all

1216
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: these different like one pragmatic, it's the it's the Ninja

1217
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: Turtles groups. Like four types of people are all representatives

1218
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: ninja turtles, and they're often represented in these friend groups

1219
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, competition, show love it. I'm like

1220
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: to do the four friends exist for men? As my guess,

1221
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: Ninja Ninja Turtles falls into it. I don't think they

1222
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: value friendship, but they don't. I don't think they do that.

1223
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: Do men have friend groups that aren't just like this

1224
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: is cheese, This is cheese too. We went to college together.

1225
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: That's as much as we've talked about it, that's it.

1226
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: And then I feel like the permutation of that that

1227
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: was in like kids media that I was really into

1228
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: in the Chee thousands, where like the three friends, the

1229
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: two girls and the one guy, and you had and

1230
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: then you had to end up with or the two

1231
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: guys in the one girl. I mean, because you have

1232
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: Harry Potter set ups versus Lissi McGuire setups. Okay, it's

1233
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: all making sense in my head. There's ven diagrams coming together.

1234
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: I'll release my charge. I was thinking Dawson, Pacy, Joey.

1235
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, yes, the three the three friends, but

1236
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: that's the teenage setup. Once you're an adult, all the

1237
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: friends need to identify as the same gender, and they

1238
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: you can't remember how they met. That make one more.

1239
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: What we do? What do we do together? We drink together?

1240
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: That's it? What are you talking about? I did love

1241
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: it was there. There's I just love the amount of

1242
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: gigantic wineglasses in this genre. But it was reminding me

1243
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: of like my days of watching Too Much Scandal where

1244
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: she was drinking Olivia Pope sized why, Like I just

1245
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: you're like, generally you don't fill the wine glass to

1246
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: the top. But in in rom coms, you do you do,

1247
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: and then you talk to your dad on the phone.

1248
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever see the girl at the woman

1249
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: in the window across the street from the girl in

1250
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: the house or something like that. I don't remember the

1251
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: full title. It was a long title. But Kristen Bell

1252
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: has like a glass of wine and empty is an

1253
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: entire bottle of wine into the glass and just walks

1254
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: around like delicately holdingness absolutely massive, completely full glass of wine.

1255
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: That's what all of these movies need. I support it.

1256
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the rom com Poor, Heavy Poor. If

1257
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: I opened a restaurant, I'm not saying I will, but

1258
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: I would have that on the media would be you

1259
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: can have a size like a regular or a rom

1260
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: com pour which is just like a huge glass of wine. Yeah,

1261
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: you have so many good ideas, this reality show, this

1262
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: wine bar slash restaurant, yep hire me um. I can

1263
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: try to make these things or I can just generate

1264
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: dumb ideas for you until the day you die. I

1265
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: want to go back to that grocery store scene because

1266
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel like Kenny is giving a couple. It's like

1267
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: a back and forth, but there are a few chunks

1268
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: where she's like kind of monologueing, and I felt it

1269
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: was she was like providing effective commentary, and it felt

1270
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: like this was like kind of the scene that like

1271
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: the movie was like this is what we want to say.

1272
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: But then also not because she gets married with him

1273
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 1: after like barely apologizing, so I don't know, it's confusing,

1274
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: but she says things like after Brian is like, I

1275
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about this tonight. It makes me

1276
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, And she says, first of all, you don't

1277
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: have to talk about being white, because no one reminds

1278
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: you every day that you're white. The only time you

1279
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: guys know you're white is when you're in a room

1280
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 1: full of black people. I'm in a world full of

1281
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: white people, and every day they remind me that I'm black.

1282
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: And if I can't talk to you about my frustrations,

1283
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to just keep that to myself. And

1284
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: then he interrupts her and it's like, well, you're a

1285
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: senior manager at of the whitest firms in the country.

1286
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: You graduated these like Ivy League schools, you own a home,

1287
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: you earn more money thancent of the country. He's like, no,

1288
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm oppressed, and you're like yeah, and then he's like,

1289
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: you make more money than me, so yeah, tell me

1290
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: about your frustrations. He's like, being very sarcastic, and then

1291
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: she says, you don't want to hear it. You don't

1292
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: want to hear about when I show up at an

1293
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: account meeting, they always have to regroup when they find

1294
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: out that I'm the one who is responsible for their

1295
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar acquisition. They'd rather trust it to a file

1296
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: clerk who gets me my goddamn coffee. Again some more

1297
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: classism um because he's white, and do you know how

1298
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: insulting that is? And then she goes on to say,

1299
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, I need to be able to talk to

1300
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: you about this stuff. I'm not going to keep it

1301
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: to myself or deny who I am. He says all

1302
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: I wanted was a night off, and she says, well,

1303
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: that's what being black is, Brian, you don't get a

1304
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: night off. And he's like well, and then he and

1305
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: then he says, I'm never going to be on the

1306
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: right side of the war going on in your head

1307
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: to me, implying like this is all in her head.

1308
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: Brian is constantly calling her hysterical for experiencing systemic racism,

1309
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: and I can't say, Brian. And then so he's like,

1310
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm never going to be on the

1311
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: right side of this because I'm not black and I'm

1312
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: never going to be black. Also, after what a couple

1313
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: of conversations, you've decided there's no more I could learn.

1314
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm done, and therefore I'll never get to the point

1315
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: where I understand other people or what they're going through.

1316
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: I can't. It's not possible, and it's unreasonable for you

1317
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: to expect me to do these things. And the fact this,

1318
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: and then he later says he's like I'm sorry, Like

1319
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: he does apologize, but he's like, I'm sorry. Someone left

1320
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: work and I was like, so you did that? That

1321
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: was your response. I was having a bad day. So hey,

1322
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: if anyone walks off the job again, you're gonna have

1323
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Just so you know what I'm

1324
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: marriage is gonna be like, it's gonna be under you.

1325
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say some racist but it's because I had

1326
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: a hard days. When I have a hard day, I

1327
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: get the night off from discussing racism with my girlfriend

1328
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: who's experiencing racism on a constant basis seems reasonable. And

1329
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: then at the end of that scene, the scene where

1330
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: he comes to her house and apologizes, he says, like

1331
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: to be fair, he says like, I may not always relate,

1332
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: but I can promise I will empathize, right, But then

1333
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: he says it would be a shame to let something

1334
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: so superficial get in our way, as if racism is superficial.

1335
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: That felt to me, I'm curious, okay, if I was,

1336
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: let me know if we were reading this the same way.

1337
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: I felt like there was a very like of the

1338
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: era color metaphor being made with Brian's arc and story

1339
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: specifically where he's like saying very surface level, but it's

1340
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: like he's using like kind of Sesame Street logic that

1341
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: is true, but ignores the complicated issues that I thought

1342
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: this movie was supposed to be about. Where he's like,

1343
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: it's just the color of your skin, and you're like, yes,

1344
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: that is the Sesame Street lesson, but Kenya is talking

1345
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: about society, living in a society, and this isn't sesame Street.

1346
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: But then there are like Sesame Street like where he's like,

1347
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: you need more color in your life, like there's all

1348
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: these like color metaphors, and Ryan's constantly bringing them up,

1349
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: and I never really know what he's talking about. And

1350
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: and then he's like telling her she's kind of being hysterical,

1351
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't quite it never really scans that,

1352
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: like whatever, it didn't quite work for me. Yeah, the

1353
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: nail they have the nail nail polished scene. He okay,

1354
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: we don't know what he's talking about at first, and

1355
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: he says, I know you're sensitive about color, but we

1356
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: can just keep this a little secret. And you think

1357
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: maybe he's talking about their relationship and her being quote

1358
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: unquote sensitive about color, referring to race. But then he's like,

1359
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: ha ha ha, I'm painting your toenails red and fake out,

1360
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: and like that's obviously the job. So was he good

1361
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: at this? I'm sorry that was like, like, is he

1362
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: painted a lot of toes before, because otherwise he's gonna

1363
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: be bad at it and you're gonna have to get

1364
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: rid of it. Right, he's a he's on wikifie. He's

1365
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: a COMPLICATID Okay, Okay, he's been practicing, okay, and that

1366
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: like I mean that, like it just feels like muddled metaphors.

1367
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: Because that like works as a bad rom com metaphor

1368
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: of like you need like because that's like a lot

1369
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: of how I feel like we convince ourselves that, like

1370
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: a professional woman should be with a crummy guy, of

1371
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: like I opened your mind to like fun, you know,

1372
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so. I don't know why Knocked Up

1373
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: is the first movie that jumped to my mind of like, yeah,

1374
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: sure I fucking suck, but like, aren't it a good time?

1375
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: You're too uptight? So love me more color, more fun.

1376
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: But because their story is so based in race as well,

1377
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: and like the mess, like the lessons they're learning are

1378
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be grounded there, it just gets really like

1379
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: muddled and I don't know, it wasn't scanning for me

1380
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: quite right. I appreciate that there is a rom com

1381
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: that tries to tackle this subject matter. Again, there had

1382
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: been very few before this, and honestly not that many

1383
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: since um that directly address the tension that comes with

1384
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: being in an interracial relationship. Again, the way this movie

1385
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: addresses it does feel very of the time, but I

1386
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: imagine that it lets a lot of people feel seen

1387
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: and represented, or like let their relationship feel seen on screen,

1388
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: and like we talk about stepping stone movies all the time,

1389
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: where it's like if this movie hadn't come out, who

1390
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: knows what wouldn't have been made? Or like because this

1391
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: movie was well received and it seems to be a

1392
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: pretty well loved movie, Like what did it make possible

1393
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: for it to be made? You know? Outside of that?

1394
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, it's like it's it's

1395
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: it's net good and it also I don't know. I

1396
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: was just even with like the precise setting of this

1397
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,520
Speaker 1: movie and also with some of the themes of interracial relationships,

1398
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, a lot of this is actually

1399
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: like similar themes are touched on in a better modern

1400
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: way in like the later seasons of Insecure. I mean,

1401
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: but again, it's like if you can think of that

1402
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: few examples, like maybe there's I'm sure there's plenty that

1403
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I just don't I didn't personally obsessively consume. But you know,

1404
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: it's like it's an under explored topic, but at least

1405
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: it's nice to know it's been explored better since. Yes,

1406
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: trying to think of a more delicate word than better,

1407
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure it exists. I think I think that is great. Yeah,

1408
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk briefly about Mark, the Blair Underwood character,

1409
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: mostly to say that Mark such a dad. Every a

1410
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: lot of rom comes have this guy, the other guy

1411
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: who's not as cool, the flop. There was like a

1412
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: movie where Michael Showalter is directed it where it's like

1413
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: the Steve or the Something, but it's like I was

1414
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: left at the altar gets left. Yeah, I know about

1415
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: this movie. It's called Oh my gosh, what is it called.

1416
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: The only joke I remember from it, if we're thinking

1417
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: about the same movie is a guy is talking to

1418
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: a woman and he's like, oh, I'll have my interns

1419
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: assistance interns assistant call you to schedule a date. And

1420
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: I was like, that's such a funny joke. But that's

1421
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: the remember the back the Baxter. Yeah, a Baxter is

1422
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: the nice doll guy in a romantic comedy who is

1423
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: dumped at the end of the story for the protagonist.

1424
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this. This is a fun concept.

1425
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: I wonder I kind of want to watch it. Maybe

1426
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what's the movie with Amy Poehler and Paul

1427
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: Rod they came together? Yes, maybe I'm thinking of that movie. Also,

1428
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys is that show Walter or is

1429
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: it somebody who was in that group? Oh that one

1430
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: of those maybe a David Wayne perhaps, Yeah, the State people.

1431
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. All of those movies are like all

1432
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: muddled in my brain. No, wait, that was show Walter. Okay,

1433
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: it might even be him that says the joke I'm

1434
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: thinking of. But that might not be the movie I'm

1435
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: thinking of. I don't know. Michael Showalter is like, loves

1436
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: to comment on rom com trips. I wonder why why

1437
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: is that we should have him on the show. Yeah,

1438
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: Michael show Walter, explain yourself. Seems unusual for a man.

1439
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm you know, I'm here for it. Chat Yeah,

1440
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: um mark. Though Blair Underwood, he tells a story to

1441
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Kenya's parents about how he lied to her in order

1442
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: to trick her into hanging out with him, as if

1443
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: it's a super cute story that does happen. Then her

1444
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: mom is also like, that is so cute. Thankfully Kenya

1445
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: breaks up with him right after that scene. But I

1446
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, like, I've been in relationships where like,

1447
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: especially you know, if you go far back enough, I

1448
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: was like, I was in relationships in college where like

1449
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: the way that we started dating was like presented as

1450
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: this big joke and then you repeat it back to yourself.

1451
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: Now you're like, that was fucking horrible. But where people

1452
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: not like, oh, we're like every story about how grandparents

1453
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: meet is like the most horrifying thing I've ever heard

1454
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: in my life. It's an attack. There's a wonderful I

1455
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: think it's like ClickHole or the Onion article about that.

1456
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,879
Speaker 1: But yes, we were like, that's a crime. Now, Grandma

1457
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: don't don't like that, right, Like, he followed me for

1458
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: forty seven blocks until I agreed to go out with him.

1459
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: He slowly wore me down until I had no will

1460
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: to live. And then that's why your grand your mother exists.

1461
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: My grandparents met via cat calling. I think I've told

1462
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: that story on the show before, though. Yeah. Uh my

1463
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: grandfother leaned out the window of his car and was

1464
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: like because my grandma was walking her baby sister in

1465
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: like a carriage, and then he was like, hey, is

1466
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that your baby? And she was like no. Then he's like,

1467
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: let's go out because I want to put one in yet,

1468
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: and then like three months later he did or something.

1469
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't checked their fun math. They're dead.

1470
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I can't ask um. But I did appreciate, Okay, getting

1471
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: back to the movie, I did appreciate that that was

1472
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: framed as a negative thing to have done in two

1473
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: thousand six, because I wouldn't expect I wouldn't necessarily expect

1474
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: that in a movie of this era. I liked when

1475
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: she was like, he is a black man, he knows

1476
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: something about black hair, hopefully, so for him to say

1477
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: I like your hair better this way in the weave

1478
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: is like, huh, okay, I get the measure of this man. No,

1479
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: thank you, um, and I did. I felt connected to that.

1480
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: I liked that. Meanwhile, Brian in that scene where he's like,

1481
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: how does your hair work? I don't know, and she

1482
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: gets out set and then he says, sorry if I

1483
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: offended you, I just want to know what you look

1484
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: like completely naked. Shut up? Are you joking my ass? Brian?

1485
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: Shut up? It's like comical, I don't know, like they

1486
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: framed it like it's a good thing that he said that. Yeah,

1487
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: but no, And then in the next scene she goes

1488
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: and gets her we've taken out, as if she's like, oh,

1489
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: he was right, I shouldn't have Do you guys know

1490
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: how much we'ves are that's an expensive proposition. Just on one.

1491
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, we'll talk as like the next cycle,

1492
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: because like this is like a time period commitment, and

1493
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: at the end of this time period commitment, I might

1494
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: consider that. But to go and get it cut out?

1495
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: Did you just get it done? That's so much that's

1496
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: like wasting so much money. That's a process. Shut up.

1497
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: I really don't like. I mean, and this seems specifically

1498
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 1: aggressive because it's he does not fucking know what he's

1499
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: talking about and he doesn't have interest in really knowing

1500
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. But I really don't like when

1501
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: in any partnership, but it's like usually a man to

1502
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: a woman when they're it's like a racialized extension of

1503
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: like the like you look so much better without makeup,

1504
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: or like how I like to look at you, and

1505
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: how I tell you you're beautiful, as how you're most beautiful,

1506
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: the way you should do it if you feel beautiful,

1507
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: and it happens to involve something that I don't like,

1508
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: then that's not how you're beautiful, and it's like, well,

1509
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: then you don't respect me. Stop. I think that he

1510
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: thought he was like, oh, I want to see you

1511
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: as you are. But it's like, no see her however

1512
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: she wants. She's comfortable being seen. You fucking loser, Brian.

1513
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I swear to God, maybe Brian gets better. I've overtime,

1514
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: like in the way that, like so many people we

1515
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: know have gotten better on issues. Hopefully, maybe Brian gets better.

1516
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: But as Brian stands in two thousand six, he's not.

1517
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: He needs to step it up, not enough, really a lot.

1518
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: But then and then it's like it's presented as and

1519
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: this often does happen, but like the burden is on

1520
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: her to educate him. Yeah, and it makes the changes.

1521
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: He's not changing his house layout, he's not getting his

1522
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 1: hair redund keeps bringing his dog inside. Yeah, she doesn't

1523
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: like sucking dogs. Stop bringing your dog around. You live somewhere,

1524
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: put it where you live. Yeah. So it's it's her

1525
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: burden to to educate him and to make him aware

1526
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: of all of this stuff that he's like willfully or

1527
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: generally ignorant of. So that's a burden. She has the

1528
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: burden to like accommodate his standards. And oh, I I fine,

1529
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I'll paint my walls because you think I should be

1530
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: not liking beige. Fine, I'll take out my weave because

1531
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: you want to see me with my natural hair. All

1532
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: this stuff, it's frustrating. She should not accommodate any of that.

1533
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: The burden should not have to be on her to

1534
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: educate him about all this stuff. Also, okay, I did

1535
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: laugh at the scene where she so she tells him

1536
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: about the black tax and he's like, oh, I never

1537
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: thought about that. The next scene is the housewarming party

1538
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: she has that she has because he's like, yeah, you

1539
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: look like you need to relax. Shut up, Brian. But

1540
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: he's going around it's it's mostly black people at the party.

1541
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 1: You can tell that he feels out of place, and

1542
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: he's like trying to, I don't know, make friends. Mike

1543
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: Epps yells at him because he's like, you're stealing my

1544
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: barbecue secrets. And so he goes over to another group

1545
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: of guys who are saying something like, oh, that wouldn't

1546
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: have happened if it was a white guy. That white

1547
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: guy would have gotten promoted. And then he tries to

1548
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Brian tries to chime in and be like, oh, were

1549
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: you guys talking about the black tacks? And they're just like, what,

1550
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: leave us alone. Also, I love the idea to add

1551
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: a black party. The only thing we talked about is blessed.

1552
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: It's a black party, so we talked about black stuff.

1553
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: You know, I did think it was very funny, how like,

1554
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, everyone starts teasing him and making fun of

1555
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: him for because that was really fucking weird. And but

1556
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 1: then it's like this scene kind of leaves you being like, man,

1557
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Brian's not fitting in, Like well maybe if he was

1558
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,799
Speaker 1: being less fucking weird, there's a loss of a loser.

1559
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Also in a situation like that, just shut up and listen, Brian.

1560
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: You need to learn things clearly, So shut up and learn,

1561
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah and listen. I did appreciate. I mean, it's like

1562
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: that there was with the people in Kenya's life. There

1563
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: was kind of like a spectrum of how people felt

1564
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: about Brian, where some people are like Brian, you know,

1565
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 1: is it my Cups is like the cook character, right, yeah, yeah, Walter.

1566
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: So I feel like he was generally on Brian's side

1567
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: because it was like more of like a class solidarity

1568
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: thing of like he's a working guy. I like him,

1569
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: and then but he did first he had to come

1570
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: around on right. So it's like, you like the people

1571
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: in her life, are like thinking Brian is a prospect

1572
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: to different degrees, and so there is she is like

1573
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 1: surrounded by different opinions about it. But I guess just

1574
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: none of the opinions quite made sense to me because

1575
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Brian sects. The one that did track the most for

1576
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: me was when her friends are like, you're not going

1577
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: to marry him, except she does. But before that happens,

1578
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: they're like, if he can dick you down, who cares

1579
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: if he's white, You're not going to marry him. Just

1580
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: get it while it's there. I appreciate that, but but

1581
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: that was one of the only things we knew about

1582
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Kenya really is that she didn't want a casual relationship.

1583
01:32:54,120 --> 01:33:01,480
Speaker 1: She wanted a serious relationship. Any other thoughts the movie.

1584
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I would like to see another movie by this director,

1585
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: because again I do like those music video like very

1586
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: visual touches, uh, and I would like to see what

1587
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: she does with them in another environment, hopefully that is

1588
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more up to date. Yeah, I would

1589
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: like to see if she hasn't she's directed three movies,

1590
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: and then I think just kind of like really leaned

1591
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: into TV TV. I'm sure I've seen she she didn't

1592
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: episodely she did that. She did like a Sherlock adaptation.

1593
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I would love to see another movie from her, because

1594
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: she hasn't directed a movie since. Did anyone see the

1595
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,839
Speaker 1: movie just right? It's another rom com with Queen Latifa

1596
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: and Common. I missed that one. I did a long

1597
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: time ago, but I haven't seen it, probably since he

1598
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: came out. I've never seen it. Well, the time has

1599
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: come for another movie. I'm ready and prepared. Good. I'll

1600
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: tell her she's my friend now. Please let her know um,

1601
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: and also please to let her know that I really

1602
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: the super based music video was really important to me.

1603
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: Well does the movie pass the Bechtel test? It does?

1604
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: It does a bunch of different times. Not thoroughly, but

1605
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of different times. The women do talk about

1606
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: men a lot, they do, but yeah, there's a few

1607
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: exchanges here and there. But it would pass more if

1608
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: we had a better understanding of their friendship. For example,

1609
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: the four friends, what do they like to do together

1610
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: besides have like Galantine's Day drinks? Because I think the

1611
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: night that they meet up it's Valentine's Day. But then

1612
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: in the whole time they're just like, oh, we're unmarried.

1613
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: Were mid men and not with you losers, right, but again,

1614
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: if we yeah, if we had I was hoping for

1615
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 1: more scenes with them and just like getting a sense

1616
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: of their friendship. But when they are together pretty much

1617
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: they only talk about men. But yeah, there are little

1618
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: exchanges here and there that passed. Yeah, I wish that again.

1619
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,759
Speaker 1: And it's like, I guess we've said this a few times,

1620
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: but for the for the final time, I really wish that, um,

1621
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: the mother daughter relationship could have been used more effectively

1622
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: and in a less boring way. But what can you do?

1623
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: I guess you could do something, but he didn't. You

1624
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: could do something different movie exactly. Yeah, it's a lot

1625
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: of her mom kind of criticizing her or being like

1626
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: when are you getting married? Or oh, you might be

1627
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: getting married to Blair Underwood. Oh my gosh, pop the champagne.

1628
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: She was crying, and it's like, are you going to

1629
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: congratulate her from making partner at her firm? Oh? And

1630
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,879
Speaker 1: then the way Donald's facon said the doctor and the misses.

1631
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: I was like, Mmm, does she do what does she do?

1632
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Does she have does she have jobs? We don't know,

1633
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: we don't know. Im doctor in the message, yes, um

1634
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: our nipple scale a scale of zero to five nipples.

1635
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: Based on examining the movie through an intersectional feminist lens,

1636
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: I would give this. I'll give it a two point

1637
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: five because I think that for the time, it's attempting

1638
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: to have a conversation that a lot of movies and

1639
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: rom comms especially, we're not attempting to make. It was

1640
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 1: representation on screen of things that you don't often see

1641
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: in mainstream movies, such as an interracial relationship. Where where

1642
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 1: in the tension that comes, Yeah, I have a master's

1643
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: depart Let you know that I appreciate it. Yeah, why

1644
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: I at it? Um? But the tension that often derives

1645
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: from an interracial relationship, especially one where one of the

1646
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: people is a white person with a lot of white privilege.

1647
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: I think it explores that relationship dynamic in interesting ways

1648
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 1: that feel authentic. But I don't think that Brian redeems

1649
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: himself after the shitty things he says, or that he

1650
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: demonstrates enough growth for her to take him back at all,

1651
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,799
Speaker 1: and making it seem like the choice was between Brian

1652
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 1: and Blair Underwood, which she simply could have continued looking

1653
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: for someone that she liked. Yeah, why does she love Brian?

1654
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: Also her speech at the end where she's just like,

1655
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I think they tried to tell us why she left Brian. Well,

1656
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: she's like that you haven't showed us. Yeah that and

1657
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, you probably think I'm neurotic and and

1658
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: ridiculous and blah blah blah all this stuff, but you

1659
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: let me be that way. I feel myself around you.

1660
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, he doesn't let you be that way.

1661
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: He's been trying to change you the whole movie. What

1662
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 1: are you even talking about? He made you change your

1663
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: house and your hair, and you're like life attitude. Yeah, right,

1664
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure, but I think it's doing enough

1665
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: stuff that was like again, feels groundbreaking for the time

1666
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Speaker 1: that I'll do like a split down the middle two

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01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: point five nipples. I will give one to Sona Lathan

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01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: because I not her character in this movie because she's

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01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 1: really so bland and beige, but as a performer as

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01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: an actor, I love her a lot. Um. I'll split

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01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: between Sana Hamri, the director and Chris Turner, the screenwriter

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01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: of the movie. And I will give my point five

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01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: nipple to Max the dog because he's a cute Golden Retriever.

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01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: He's nice. Um. I'm tending. Yeah, I guess I'll go

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01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: down in the middle. I'm like tempted to give it

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01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: like half a nipple higher only because it's like for

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01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 1: its time again, like not just an under explored topic

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01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 1: in movies, but like in this genre specifically. I guess

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01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: outside of guess who for some reason to that. But

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01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: that's like where of a comedy than a rom com.

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01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Either way, either way, it feels I I'm glad it exists.

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01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad it exists. I don't know that I'll be

1683
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: like returning to it super often because I just really

1684
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: don't like Brian. Um, I don't. I weirdly don't even

1685
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: super duper mind that Kenya is kind of boring. I

1686
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: don't know. For some reason, I can deal with a

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01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 1: boring character, but I can't. I can't deal with Brian.

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01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: Brian really bugs me. And I feel like because of

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01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: for like modern audiences, at least the rom com tropes

1690
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: associated with Brian, which is like I accept you as

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01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: you are, except change everything about yourself and like I'm

1692
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: I'm not listening, but I'm totally listening, babe. Like that

1693
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff undercuts what this movie's potential was, which

1694
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: was like, if if it was like illustrating like an

1695
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: emotionally healthy and equitable integracial relationship, that would have been

1696
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: so cool. I just don't think that that's the relationship

1697
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: that we got here, and so that is ultimately a bummer.

1698
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: But I really, um like all the creatives involved, Like

1699
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: I like that this collaboration happened. I would be cool

1700
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: to see them work together again, this writer and director

1701
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: and puts an On Lathen in it again. Let's do it,

1702
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:30,560
Speaker 1: let's let's take to it and yeah, I don't know.

1703
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go two and a half. I'm tempted

1704
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 1: to give it three. And I guess whoever is editing

1705
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia these days? You could just kind of choose

1706
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 1: whatever feels right for you. Um, Ultimately, if someone, if

1707
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: someone wants to take you on a first date at

1708
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: a busy Starbucks, it's probably not the person for you.

1709
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: And also fire the friend that orchestrated that, which she

1710
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: did say, like she did say, Like, what the funk?

1711
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Was she thinking? Yeah, yeah, I'll split my nipples. However,

1712
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: the math shakes out between in um the beisuaal and

1713
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: the aqua marine wall. There's two kinds of walls. In

1714
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: this world famously, Yes, can he saw about you. I'm

1715
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna give it three because I think it's important to

1716
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: remember that this came out the same year as Crash

1717
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And when it comes to a conversation about race,

1718
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: this is way better than that. Yes, this doesn't make

1719
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: me literally pull my hair out. So I'm gonna give

1720
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: it three. And I'm going to give one to the

1721
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: musical sequence where they are watching a dance in Kenya

1722
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: is getting horny. I'm gonna give one nipple to the

1723
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: scene where Simon peg is digging up earth and we're

1724
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: getting lots of close ups of rippling muscles. Simon Baker

1725
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: would yea, that's a different movie, different different vibe. Entirely.

1726
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: It was a start. I don't want to get into it.

1727
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: And then I want to give one full nipple to

1728
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: the little Mariachi costume that he has on in the end,

1729
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: because I know that that's gonna be funny. But I

1730
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: was like, would snatch? So he wears it well except

1731
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: for the untucked in T shirt that he has the shirt,

1732
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: but his but looked good in those pants, and I

1733
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: think we've got to acknowledge that that's I'm fine, fine,

1734
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I dropped the ball, I dropped the I liked, I

1735
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: liked seeing the I did. I wasn't sure what they

1736
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: were talking about. When she's like, do you know that guy?

1737
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: I was like, why is he going to come as well?

1738
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: But it was like, no, just steal his clothes? Cool

1739
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: technically come on? Yeah, well, Cannie, thank you so much

1740
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 1: for coming back for a sixth appearance. Thank you for

1741
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: having me. Let's make it seven leven. What do you

1742
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: want to do it next week? Mar Um? Where can

1743
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: people follow you online? What would you like to plug?

1744
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 1: Tell us about your album? Okay, so you can follow

1745
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: me at Kennice Mobili on all the socials. I even

1746
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: signed up for Hive. I don't even know what people

1747
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: are using anymore. I'm on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook

1748
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Speaker 1: and I guess Hive now soon girl foot dot com.

1749
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of do they care about my numbers across

1750
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: all platforms? So please follow me so that they're not like,

1751
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Speaker 1: actually you suck in and we decided based on your

1752
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Speaker 1: low follower accounts. Okay? So, and then also, if you

1753
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: like buying albums, which my record company says that you

1754
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: should push people to do, please buy my album. Follow

1755
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: up question put out by Blonde Medicine. It's a it's

1756
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: a fun album. It's been written up in a few places.

1757
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: It just got showcased on Ebony magazine, which we had

1758
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Ebony come to the house every month and it was

1759
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: always on our coffee table, so that's a big deal

1760
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: for me. But it was on some other list to

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Speaker 1: Paste magazine, et cetera. Um, so if you don't hate

1762
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Speaker 1: me here, you might like me there soralla endorsement. Everyone

1763
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: loves you. That is not true, but I appreciate you

1764
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Speaker 1: saying that we love you here on this zoom call

1765
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: your universally love yeah. Uh. And you can follow us

1766
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Speaker 1: uh Bactel cast on Twitter and Instagram. You can follow

1767
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Speaker 1: as well as access to over a hundred episodes of

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Speaker 1: back catalog over there. I think maybe even closer to

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Speaker 1: two hundred at the this point. Uh. This past month

1773
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: we did the Pinocchio Wars, in which we covered all

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01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,560
Speaker 1: three and maybe even a fourth adaptations of Pinocchio that

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01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: have come out in the past calendar year. Who knows why.

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01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: You know Italian icon Pinocchio. He's back and I still

1777
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: find him so boring. Ecap he's played by Polly Shore

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Speaker 1: and then and then he's awesome but father, So you

1779
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Speaker 1: can go over there for that, or it's really funny

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Speaker 1: guess it is. Now I'm plugging it. Awesome, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're plugging it, and hey, don't forget Let go let flow.

1789
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm about to go do that right into my toilet.

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Speaker 1: I have to be so bad. I have to be

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Speaker 1: so bad to you. I've been waiting. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I wanted people like, but I have to be so bad. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go let it flow. Bye bye, I'm letting it flow.