1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday, Am Holly Frye, And 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Oh Harriet. Yeah. I confess to 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Tracy before we started talking about Harriet that every time 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: I hear that name, I think of so I married 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: an ex murderer. So if you like me, think she's 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: going to be a hard hearted harbinger of Haggitts, she's not. OK. 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack with her. And I know 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: you got real irritated about this sort of flip that 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: she did where it made it seem like she was 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: saying like I was disabled and now I'm not right. 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: There's a whole other read on her illness though. Okay, 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: go we didn't you go first that we didn't mention 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: in the episode. That may or may not shift how 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: you think about it, but I couldn't. I only found 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: one person really writing at it in this way, so 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: I didn't want to put it in the episode as 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: though it was factual. But it's an interesting take. So, 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: and it's that that biography that we mentioned in the 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: magazine biography, that writer looked at all of Harriet's personal 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: writings and kind of came to the conclusion that she 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: wasn't sure she had actually had a spinal injury so 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: much as she may have fallen into that thing that 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: happened to a lot of women during the time, where 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: if you exhibited any kind of you know, sign of 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: not feeling great, they kind of lumped you under like hysterical, right, right, 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: and that you were just a frail woman who had 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: problems because you were inherently nervous due to being a woman, 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: and that that would have even impacted you know, kids 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: at that point. So it's unclear. Yeah, well, and it's 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: like that's one of the things that can be so 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: challenging to talk about things like chronic illnesses and disability 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: with people who were living you know, I mean even 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: more recently, but like so often the terms that were 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: used to describe what was going on with people were 36 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: really vague, and they could encapsulate a lot of things, 37 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: and like somebody who really was just like bored and 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: stifled in an unhappy marriage might be described as being 39 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: mentally ill or disabled or whatever, and like that might 40 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: not at all be what was going on. That can 41 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: make it really hard to talk about it uh, but 42 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: I just as I was reading it, I was like, 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I want to say really clearly that this does not 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: mean that somebody who is disabled or has a chronic 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: illness just isn't trying hard enough and they put their 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: mind to it. If they put their mind to it, 47 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: they could get better. Because man, not only is that false, 48 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: it harms so many people so much. Yeah, I mean, 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to read that quote. That's like, 50 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: it seems like when she was no longer married, she 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: was no longer ill. It was fine then because it 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: was that, it didn't seem like it was so much. 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: And that same writer even kind of makes the case 54 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: that Harriet and Charles may have had some interlocking just 55 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: unhappiness that they manifested. Like instead of saying I'm actually 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: unfulfilled and not happy in marriage, it was like I 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: must be sick. Yeah, because you know, I mean that happens, right. 58 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: Two people can love each other and that doesn't mean 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: their marriage is healthier, good, right, And I think that 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: feels like the case here again were it's retroactive and 61 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: we only have some of the letters because he burned them. 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: He also burned all of his letters and wrote a 63 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: note about it that was like, I don't want any 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: of my life on record, but it does, as you said, 65 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: it becomes very hard to unpick it all, and it's 66 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: very very weird, and it is you know, I mean, 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: none of that comes up at all in her later 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: life except that, like the only time she ever mentioned 69 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: it in interviews was to say, like, oh, well, when 70 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: I was a kid, I had spinal problems and that's 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: how I learned so much stuff. I was an autodidact. 72 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: I was reading all the time, which is kind of 73 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: a cool thing. We don't know if that's even true, right, 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: And I will say, the same problem comes up. I 75 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: only saw it fleetingly because she was not the focus 76 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: of a lot of discussion related to her mother, where 77 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, when the family moved from Buffalo to California 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: pretty abruptly. Most biographies about Harriet suggests that her father 79 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: was you know, seeking financial benefit or like a business opportunity. 80 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: But there was at least one I saw that was like, well, 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, her mother was delicate and needed Western air. 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, huh, yeah, we don't know. It makes 83 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: it so so hard. The other thing that may or 84 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: may not mitigate your feelings of frustration with her over 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: it is the fact that I think part of the 86 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: impetus for her to hide that kind of ties back 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: to everything she said constantly about how like, no, if 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to do business with men, I have to 89 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: be ten times better than them at everything. I think 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: she actually says four times. But I think she probably 91 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: held some concern that if she let any kind of 92 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: information that she may have had any kind of weakness 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: leak out, that it would give people that wanted to 94 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: maybe downplay her business acumen ammunition to be sure. Sure, 95 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: I think that's really the big the probably the biggest reason. Yes, 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: it still has the unfortunate repercussion of like, yeah, I'm 97 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: no longer ill, I just decided to not be ill. 98 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: But well, they're just there are also things that we 99 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: can't really know conclusively, Like, right, you know, did she 100 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: have conditions that as she grew older she found better 101 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: ways to deal with or was it just like was 102 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: she concealing information or like there are a lot or 103 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: was she one of the seventy five percent of women 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: who were deemed ill through hysteria? Right? It really were 105 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: just being human, yeah with something, Yeah, something else was 106 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: going on, or maybe nothing was going on and she 107 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: was just branded that way. Yeah, because she had all 108 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: of those letters burnt right, that like would have been 109 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: a really handy resource to piece things together. Yeah, we'll 110 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: never know. I do love that she figured out the 111 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: grass thing, Yeah, because the reason people like, normally people 112 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: will grow if they're growing a walnut orchard, they'll grow 113 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: something like corn in between the trees. And the reason is, 114 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: like when we say it's a support crop, what it 115 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: really is is that those things grow much faster and 116 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: can be turned into a sellable good. Okay, much faster 117 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: than like a walnut tree from a seedling can actually 118 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: produce anything viable. And so while you're waiting on the 119 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: bigger and potentially more profitable walnut crop to come to 120 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: maturity and fruition, you can be planting things in the 121 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: interim that are like a few months flip over. And 122 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: so it was unusual that she went with pampas grass 123 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: instead of corn, because that's what most people would have done. 124 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: But she was like, nah, I got another idea, which 125 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I think is very interesting. Like I love that part 126 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: of her story where she's like, I'm going to crack 127 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: the coat on this whole farming and ranching thing, and 128 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to figure out how to do it and 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: make this work, even on this property that seems to 130 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: have problems. And she did, and that I love about her, 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: and of course it's to me super admirable. But then 132 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: it gets that thing where I do feel like she 133 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: started to reach that point where she thought her every 134 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: idea was really good and why aren't people listening to me? Yeah? 135 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: I I like the idea of being like, all right, 136 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: can we figure out a way to control these floodwaters? Yes? 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Can we figure out a way to reuse the wastewater? 138 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Not as much of a fan of let's build a dam, right, 139 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many repercussions, and part of 140 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: the reason we don't get into them is they're huge, right, Like, 141 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: there are wildlife repercussions, There are repercussions to the indigenous 142 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: people that live in those places that in many cases 143 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: are not being consulted about whether or damn should go there. Yeah, 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: the United States went through kind of a heyday of 145 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: damn building, not necessarily stuff as big as Hoover Dam, 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: which is that's its whole own other story. But like, 147 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: there are a lot of much smaller dams. A lot 148 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: of them at this point are aging and unsafe, and 149 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: a lot of them to a greater or lesser extent, 150 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: like flooded land that was supposed to be the land 151 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: that indigenous people were still allowed to use. And in 152 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: more recent years there has been an effort to like 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: safely dismantle a lot of these dams and sort of 154 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: like do it in a way that's not going to 155 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: just cause a massive flood downstream. Yeah, And so like, 156 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, this is like adds to the many 157 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: things with her that I'm like, Man, I have thoughts, 158 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: and then I have other thoughts. Yeah. I mean, it's 159 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: really interesting because she did in many ways make that 160 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: area of California livable. Like her ideas led to a 161 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: lot of livability there in terms of you know, just 162 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: a crops even like being able to figure out how 163 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: to do that. And I feel like if she had 164 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: focused more on teaching other ranchers how to like put 165 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: together their own water pumps and stuff instead of being like, 166 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: let's build a massive thing, it's right, I would be like, yeah, okay, 167 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: But as she said, it's it gets into a whole 168 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: other ball of wax. Yeah, Yeah, Harriet. Yeah, I feel 169 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: like we're going to get emails who are mad that 170 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: I am sort of judging somebody by modern standards, and 171 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm like this, it's more like thinking about the legacy 172 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: and impact of decisions that people have made in the 173 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: past that we're still living with today. Yeah, And I 174 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: mean I will say, right, she ultimately was not the 175 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: one who made those decisions. Sure she advocated for it, 176 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: but was it. And I know a lot of people 177 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: really love Harriet and I think she is completely fascinating 178 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: as a really ingenious person. Like I love that she 179 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: came up with a way to open and close windows 180 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: from bed. I'm like, that's pretty cool. It's really you know, 181 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: like a telescoping stick. I like the idea that she 182 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: was so driven in those early years of being a widow, 183 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: where she was like, how am I going to make money? 184 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: And she kind of was like doing the I have 185 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: a million good ideas. I'm very smart, like a scattershot 186 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: approach of like I will innovate in the following four things, 187 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Like I see why people love her, But then there's 188 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: like that thing of like, oh, and oh, she hates 189 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: she hates people that aren't white settlers. Okay, that's a problem. 190 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't. I don't know. If she had 191 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: continued to age, who knows how she would have, you know, 192 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: potentially shifted again in her her most mature years. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Harriet, 193 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Are you an Olympics watcher? Tracy? Not really? No, Like, 194 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: there are some events that I really do enjoy watching. 195 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I in the winter, I enjoy the figure skating. In 196 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: the summer, I enjoy the gymnastics. There's a lot of 197 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: other stuff happening at the Olympics that I don't really 198 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: care about. And there's just there's been so many changes 199 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: over the years to how one watches the Olympics. Yes, 200 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: going from you turned the television on and they're on there, 201 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: to like figuring out where do I watch the Olympics now? Yes, 202 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: And it's not something I love enough to put that 203 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: effort into it. But often I will hear about some 204 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: amazing performance somebody did and I'll go watch, you know, 205 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: the like official video on YouTube or whatever, if that exists. 206 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: How about you? I love the Olympics. Yeah, And the 207 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: thing is I'm the opposite of you. I will figure 208 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: out how to watch it, and it doesn't matter if 209 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: it's a sport that I'm into or not, I will 210 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: watch it. I have such a great memory of the 211 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: olden times of our working together when we first started 212 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: as employees of Discovery, when our company was part of that, 213 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: having three days a week where we could telework. Oh yeah, 214 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: because that meant that I could watch the Olympics the 215 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: whole time I was working during the day, like I 216 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: was working, but I had the on in the background constantly, 217 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: And to me, that was the most fun. And I 218 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: don't know why I get so into it, because I'm 219 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: not into a lot of the sports, but I get 220 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: completely fished into the whole thing. I want to watch 221 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: all of the interviews with athletes, I want all of 222 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the human interest stories. I want all of the things. 223 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: And I feel like we've talked. I don't remember if 224 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: it was on this show or if it was on 225 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: the other podcast we used to be on, which I'm 226 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: not even going to name, because I just I don't 227 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: encourage anybody to go listen to that at this point. 228 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you can find it anywhere. Yeah, 229 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I feel like things said extemporaneously well over a decade ago. 230 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: We just don't need to go back to that, but 231 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: we did have a conversation about how there was a 232 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: time it might have been on this show, it might 233 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: have been on that one. There was a time when 234 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: the Olympics were really struggling in terms of getting anybody 235 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: to watch them. Yeah, and adding in that focus on 236 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: the athletes and the human interest stories around the athletes, 237 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: like really brought a lot of renewed attention to it 238 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: in a time when a lot of people just does 239 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: not really care that much, yeah, because they couldn't connect 240 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: to it right, Like, Yeah, I feel like for a 241 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: lot of people, when you're watching, if you're not into 242 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: a specific sport anyway, the idea of watching someone whose 243 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: entire life is about very high level performance, it's just 244 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: hard to like get into from a viewer's perspective right 245 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't know curling. I don't know 246 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: about that curling which has vanished for a bit. I 247 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: don't know if it's coming. I haven't I don't see it, 248 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: don't even know. Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating to 249 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: me and smart that someone on the broadcast side was like, 250 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: you know what we need to do starting interviewing athletes, 251 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: because you do realize like, yes, these are people that 252 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: are very driven and they work very, very hard, But 253 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: there are also people and I that is always helpful 254 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: to remember They're not just machines that go fast or 255 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: jump high or whatnot. They also have thoughts and feelings 256 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: and are completely fully rounded individuals that might that have 257 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: lives that expand far beyond their Olympic careers. Love it, man, 258 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: I will watch gymnastics all day every day. I do 259 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: like to watch gymnastics, and I do like to watch 260 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: figure skating. I have a gymnastics thing that I'm scared 261 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: make people angry with me. There is an aspect to 262 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: gymnastics that I struggle with, aside from the scandals of 263 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: it completely obviously, there have been some horrible scandals and 264 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: that we should all be struggling with, just from an 265 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: aesthetic point of view. Because I grew up a bun 266 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: head taking ballet. It breaks my brain to watch gymnasts 267 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: point their toes, yeah, because they don't do it the 268 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: way you would in ballet, and to me they're doing great. 269 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm not actually criticiz, Yeah, I'm saying to me, like 270 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: the aesthetic of it, I'm like, that is not how 271 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: a foot should look when it is pointed that is 272 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: not nearly pretty enough, and it is, it's perfectly fine, 273 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: but I just am like, Eh, don't do that, Just 274 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: don't do that. It's totally my hang up. Yeah, that 275 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: is actually a segue to talking about when I was 276 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: heavily in my ballet zone when I was much younger, 277 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: and they introduced I think it was eighty four rhythmic gymnastics. Oh. 278 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I remember the rhythmic gymnastics because I remember a lot 279 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: of people in the dance community being like, I think 280 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: I could do that, yeah, and it being sort of 281 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: a really exciting idea and it is very pretty. Yeah, 282 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: I have a whole other thing that it might be 283 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: its own episode one day. Okay, did you know you 284 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: probably knew that for a while you could do art 285 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: and get an Olympic medal. I do remember we had 286 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: a talk about this at one point. Yeah. I love 287 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: that idea in some ways and in others I hate it. 288 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: So I've never really gotten deep into the thing because 289 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, art is subjective. There's no such thing yes 290 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: objectively good art in my opinion, or objectively bad art 291 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: unless I hurt someone. But I'm fascinated by the idea. 292 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: I love it, Like I said, I love it in 293 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: some ways, and we've certainly talked about many other instances 294 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: of like art competitions, but I get really hung up 295 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. Have I ever told you about my 296 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: extremely brief time taking gymnastics? No? Okay, I would have 297 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: been maybe five or six, like I was elementary school 298 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: age for sure, and I don't remember exactly what led 299 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: to me taking gymnastics, but as a child, I was 300 00:18:54,200 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: very very scared of heights, okay, and this included being 301 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: on the balance beam that was not on the floor. 302 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: The balance beam terrified me as a kid and still 303 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: would also for all of my life, I have had 304 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: very very tight hamstrings And the only time I have 305 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: had like a reasonable level of flexibility in my hamstrings 306 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: was when I was in a drum and bugle corps 307 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: in high school, and that involved like just relentless daily 308 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: stretching and effort. Yeah, and so like as a kid, 309 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take gymnastics classes and I literally can't 310 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: touch my toes, And then think number three is I 311 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: just could never manage to do a cartwheel or any 312 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: other cartwheel like things. I just couldn't. I couldn't do it. 313 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Part of like throwing my head at the ground from 314 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: I just I couldn't. I couldn't get over the I 315 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: couldn't get over that. And like there were people that 316 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: like compassionate and thoughtful gymnastics instructors who worked with me 317 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot to try to like get me to 318 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: be able to do this, and I never could do it. 319 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: And I have never done a cartwheel or a round 320 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: off or whatever in my whole life. See, that is 321 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: one of the few things I've retained. Yeah, I can 322 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: still bust out a cartwheel. Yeah, now, if I overthink it, 323 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: I'll mess it up. But right not me. I can 324 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: still do a cartwheel. Similarly, you took me an incredibly 325 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: long time to dive into a swimming pool. I can 326 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: I do that. I don't think I ever managed to 327 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: like dive into the swimming pool in a leaping kind 328 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: of way. But I could kneel on the diving board 329 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: and get into the water headburst that way. Oh yeah, 330 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: I can't dive. I sort of feel like if I 331 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: tried to do any of this now, at the age 332 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: of forty nine, with no preparation, it would not go 333 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: well for me. But can you hurtle yourself into the 334 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: water and just go for a minute and see how 335 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: far you go? Maybe we didn't read those press accounts 336 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: of the plunge for distance because they are very unkind 337 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: to the athletes, right, and like a lot of body 338 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: shaming involved. Yeah, that's part of what I struggle with 339 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: about sports like gymnastics and figure skating and stuff. There's 340 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: just there's so much body stuff involved in all of that. 341 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, having been in a drum and bule corps, 342 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: which is way less intensive than doing like gymnastics at 343 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: a competitive level for your whole life. Like, I still 344 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of mixed feelings about my time in 345 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: drum Corps and continuing to march and practice while injured 346 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, And a lot of that applies 347 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: to various Olympic sports also, especially sports that like really 348 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: young people are the ones competing. Yeah, I feel like, 349 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no expert, but I do feel like 350 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: that has changed in some ways in a lot of 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: sports where people will kind of there is less of 352 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: an impetus and a drive to like, no, you push 353 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: through injury and you keep going. Like I think sports 354 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: medicine has advanced so much in our lifetimes that there's 355 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: just a realization of like, hey, don't do that, Like 356 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: you gotta think longer term than this. So'm I know 357 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: there are still athletes that compete well injured. I'm not 358 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: trying to say that doesn't happen anymore, but I do 359 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: think fewer athletes maybe are pressured to do so. It 360 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: probably depends on their team and their coach and their 361 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: sports and their parents. In some cases yes, and then 362 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but I like the Olympic. It's just fine. 363 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: Were you and you weren't in the in Atlanta when 364 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: the Olympics were here? What year was that, nineteen ninety No, 365 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: I was not. I was in college. That was wild. Yeah, 366 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: that is the one and only time I have lived 367 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: in an Olympic city, and it was bananas because there 368 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: was a proposal to have the Olympics in Boston a 369 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: few years ago and Boston said no, thank you. Yeah, 370 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean it's very expensive. It's often my understanding is 371 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: it's a net loss fiscally for the city. It's kind 372 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: of a thing you do for clout, not a whole 373 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: lot else, and then you're often left with an aftermath 374 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: that is really rough. Yeah, I don't know how much 375 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: truth there is to this, but I do know the 376 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: Atlanta Olympics a lot of people pinpoint as like a 377 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: moment when Atlanta got a lot sprawlier and a lot 378 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: busier in a way that seemed accelerated by like I 379 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: don't know that I would say it got sprawly or 380 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: it's always been real sprawly, but I do mark it 381 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: as a like a moment of like sea change for 382 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: the city because I remember when I came to Atlanta 383 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: for college in the very end of the eighties, it 384 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: was a city of like a million people. It was great. 385 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and this isn't isn't like a 386 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: negative on population density, but in terms of what the 387 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: city could support in terms of infrastructure, housing, et cetera. 388 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: That was a good number at the time. And then 389 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: after the Olympics it was four million, and like a 390 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: lot of that happened very quickly, and there wasn't like, 391 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: even though they had done a lot of infrastructure work 392 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: to be ready for the Olympics, it wasn't enough for 393 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: a fourfold increase in right population. And it's not like 394 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: those people all moved in on one day. It's you know, 395 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: it took some time, but still it was it was 396 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: very quick and I just feel like that is really 397 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: when Atlanta traffic got its reputation of craziness. Just yeah, 398 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: so jam packed all the time. Yeah, if I'm remembering rightly, 399 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: I moved there in two thousand and three, so right, 400 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: I only saw post Olympics Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, So it's 401 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing to watch it change. I mean, 402 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: that's also a year that's meaningful to me just in 403 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: general because I met my husband that year and we 404 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: got married that year, and like, we went to a 405 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: couple of Olympic events, We went to a baseball game, 406 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: to baseball games, and it was in some ways really fun. 407 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: Like there were some interesting choices that I feel like 408 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: we're smart in terms of preparation, right, Like we worked 409 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: with some univer we like I had anything to do 410 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: with it. The city worked with some universities where they 411 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: basically like subsidized the building out of modern dormitories that 412 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: were used for athletes and then and then became part 413 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: of the university campus. And some of those schools really 414 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: needed that kind of upgrade and that was great for them. 415 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: But it did I mean that that corridor right through it. 416 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Downtown Atlanta just got clogged at a level that has 417 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: never not been that again. Yeah. Yeah. The last time 418 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: I was there was for when we uh, when we 419 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: closed our union bargaining, got our contract. I don't know 420 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: if we've said that specifically on the podcast, but I 421 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: was having to take a lift to the airport to 422 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: go back home, and I had kind of forgotten what 423 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: a bad traffic day can be, like, oh yeah, and 424 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: this was, you know, not a time that I would 425 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: I know, the span of time you would describe as 426 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: rush hour in Atlanta is very broad, but this was 427 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: not a time of day that I would have expected 428 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: to be particularly about in terms of traffic. And it 429 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: was like we got onto the highway and then we 430 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: just stopped, and I was like, I'm so glad I 431 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: left with lots of extra time to get to the airport. Yeah. 432 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: I always do. I mean, we have, like we have 433 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: a route that doesn't go through downtown if downtown is clogged, 434 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: and we can usually get to the airport fast. But 435 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: it's like if we can't, we really can't. Yeah, And 436 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: so I always leave super early and if I get 437 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: to the airport early, great. I have my favorite restaurant, 438 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: I go get a meal, and if we don't, we're 439 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: usually still fine on time. Yeah. Yeah, I had come 440 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: from from the airport on Marta because the hotel that 441 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: we were staying at was at Peachtree Center. Yeah, but 442 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: then like that's not where I was leaving from to 443 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: get back to the airport, and I was not near 444 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: Marta anymore. Well, and the rail to the airport, like 445 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: those stations have been weird and getting I don't know 446 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: if you walked by them while you were there, but 447 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: the stations at the airport, one of them was shut 448 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: one part of it was shut down completely for a while. 449 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Like that's been all a little bit trickier. Then it 450 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: was not a problem getting to the hotel, so that 451 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: part worked out great. It might have been back up 452 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: and running by then, but I remember there was some 453 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: time earlier this year where I was like, can the 454 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: train come into the airport, And I'm not sure that 455 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: it could all the time, which I'm sure was very 456 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: problematic for a lot of people. But yeah, yeah, Atlanta 457 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: was definitely very changed by the Olympic Games. Yeah, and 458 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: I have I remember having a friend who lived in 459 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: la when the Games were there, and him being like, oh, 460 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: it was disastrous afterwards, because then it was just like 461 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: a mess. And I I don't remember feeling quite like 462 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: that about Atlanta. I'm sure some people do have stories 463 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: like that, but I do remember just noting how different 464 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, because I had lived there, like, I 465 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: had lived here like seven years at that point, so 466 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: I had a pretty good Anyway, Olympics, I'll be watching. Okay, 467 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: we we didn't mention it in the episode, but of 468 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: course the Olympics we were talking about, which were in 469 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: the early phase of the modern Olympic Games. There weren't 470 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: separate winter in summers yet, right, I remember when that 471 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: change happen twenties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember when that 472 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: change happened in it being very controversial and there were 473 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: well no, I mean, they didn't split winter and summer 474 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: at all. There was only summer. Oh yes, until I 475 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: think nineteen twenty eight. I'm going by memory, so if 476 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, apologies. But then when they split years, Yeah, 477 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: that was a different thing that we were around for. Yeah. Yeah, 478 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: and yes it was very controversial, but now here we are, 479 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: we're all used to it. If you have a weekend 480 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: coming up, I hope it's delightful. And if you can 481 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: do a cartwheel and it's fun, do some If you 482 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: can't find something else to do that's fun, play mind 483 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: games like chess that can't be part of the If 484 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: you don't have time off, I still hope that you 485 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: have fun and do something delightful and that everyone is 486 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: super cool to you. 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