WEBVTT - Everyday, Everyday I Steal the Book: Three Major Book Heists

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren Burnett.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Elizabeth Dutton, how are you? I'm doing all right?

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<v Speaker 2>Does my hair look good?

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<v Speaker 3>Looks amazing? It looks so good. Oh it's really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, do I MRI scans? You know about

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<v Speaker 2>those them? Okay? Yeah, so they're magnetic resonance imagery. They

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<v Speaker 2>getting that two the magnets inside. You know, they're really

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<v Speaker 2>strong right there, two hundred times stronger than your average

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<v Speaker 2>magnets you have for that size. Now, Americans, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how they are, right? They love their guns. So this

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin woman she was getting into an MRI and they

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<v Speaker 2>asked her, oh, ma'am, do you have any metal you

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<v Speaker 2>in your pockets? Because it'll be a problem for the magnet.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I do not. Turns out she was lying

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<v Speaker 2>or wrong or forgot, who knows she had metal on

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<v Speaker 2>her pockets? Elizabeth, she had a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>She had a gun on her and oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>The MRI machine It triggered the gun. The gun shot

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<v Speaker 2>her in that she got shot her own gun, and

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<v Speaker 2>they had the MR right there to watch it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to see the imagery of that a

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<v Speaker 2>gun shot recorded that. We found out about this because

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<v Speaker 2>a report got submitted to the FDA's Manufacturer and User

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<v Speaker 2>Facility Device Experience, a voluntary reporting site for accidents involving

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<v Speaker 2>medical devices. That's how we find out about this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was fine, only a flesh loan. She had

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of butt for the bullet to hit. And no

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<v Speaker 2>one else was hurt either. So there you go, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous bringing a gun into a hospital. I don't care what.

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<v Speaker 3>Happens to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And the question do you have any gun? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have any metal on you? Nope, no, nope, it should disaswered.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a gun on you? You're an American?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a gun on you? That that counts?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean like your car keys.

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<v Speaker 3>That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to know what else is reading?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it came for here, for.

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<v Speaker 3>Dealing books and not even being from Modesto. What this

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<v Speaker 3>is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's

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<v Speaker 3>heiss and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 3>and one hundred percent ridiculous. Right do you do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember the book thief from Modesto. Yes, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>biblio Dick.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bibliadic's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know there are more thieves out there, book thieves.

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<v Speaker 3>These are their stories. Yes, dog, so Ed Maggs. He's

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<v Speaker 3>a fifth generation co owner of what was Queen Elizabeth's

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<v Speaker 3>favorite bookstore.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, there's a bookstore named Ed owner named.

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<v Speaker 3>Ed maggsg Mags, and he owns Mags Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He once told Vanity Fair that quote, the problem of

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<v Speaker 3>the connoisseur book thief is a real one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's a real one, real one, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>We're about to see that written largely. I got three

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<v Speaker 3>Biggins for you. I love the Let's start in jolly

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<v Speaker 3>old England. This one has some oceans, eleven qualities too,

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<v Speaker 3>and mission impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that. Stuff's very cinematic. They're also Eastern Europeans.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, great modern cinematic crime villains. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the Feltham book heist. What book I felt them

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<v Speaker 3>Feltham f E L T h A M. It's not Feltem,

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<v Speaker 3>Feltem Feltham whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in West London.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh like felt Ham who felt this Ham, the Feltham

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<v Speaker 5>book heist.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. People the UK are just like like

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<v Speaker 3>they're having a physical response.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm so sorry about that. But we're Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>They're having like an anal squeeze over it. The Feltham

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<v Speaker 3>book heist in West London. So this is this place.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the home of Frontier Forwarding Warehouse and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bonded warehouse for secure storage of goods that go

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<v Speaker 3>in and out of Heathrow Airport. They had like custom

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<v Speaker 3>services there. It's the hub for European air freight shipments.

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<v Speaker 3>So February twenty seventeen, the California International Antiquarian Book Fair

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<v Speaker 3>was scheduled to take place in California, Oakland, California, at

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<v Speaker 3>the Oakland Marriott City Center right there at Broadway in Tenth, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was going to feature collections and like rear

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<v Speaker 3>treasures of nearly two hundred booksellers from over twenty different countries,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was recognized as one of the world's largest

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<v Speaker 3>and most prestigious exhibitions of antiquarian books.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened in our backyard. I don't even know about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I know in the run up to this book fair,

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<v Speaker 3>book dealers prepped to have their finest wares shipped to Oakland,

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<v Speaker 3>which like nowadays I think, and at the Frontier Forwarding

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<v Speaker 3>Warehouse in Feltham crates of books from three dealers. There's

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<v Speaker 3>two Italians and a German. They arrived on January twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 3>and these rare valuable tomes. They were only going to

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<v Speaker 3>be there for like a little more than twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>hours and then off they would fly to the Golden State.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you know about the Italians and Germans. They

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<v Speaker 2>loved your team up, so I can see this.

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<v Speaker 3>They just came by air. So but crime interrupted these

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<v Speaker 3>plants and so January twenty ninth, twenty seventeen, a crew struck.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say struck, they pulled off a heist

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<v Speaker 3>with mission impossible levels of precision. Yes, it started. A

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<v Speaker 3>car pulls up to the side of the road near

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<v Speaker 3>the warehouse. Two men get out, and then the car

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<v Speaker 3>drives off. The men cut a hole in the fence

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<v Speaker 3>and they head towards the building. And that's all anyone

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<v Speaker 3>had of these guys on camera. And after that they're invisible,

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<v Speaker 3>like they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Just out out camera.

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<v Speaker 3>A camera shots somehow they scale the sheer wall, the

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<v Speaker 3>blind spots. They scale the sheer wall of the warehouse.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like no little outcroppings on which to get a foothold, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Slither up the side cartoon suction cups.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And they get onto this steep roof that's on there,

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<v Speaker 3>and they pop open the skylight and then like the

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<v Speaker 3>warehouse is rigged up with state of the art security.

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<v Speaker 3>There's alarms, there's like you know, motion sensors, cameras. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't trigger a thing. Wow, nothing, no alarms, no cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>They used either ropes or like ladders to descend into

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<v Speaker 3>the warehouse, apparently very slowly, so they don't trigger anything.

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<v Speaker 3>And they made their way to these crates of books.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's other valuable stuff in the warehouse, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, other stuff you don't steal and sell.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bonded warehouse. It's a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Station for valuable goods. They ignored everything but the books,

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<v Speaker 3>well not everything. There was a shipment of large, heavy

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<v Speaker 3>canvas tote bags and they broke that open and took

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<v Speaker 3>the tote bags to haul out their loot.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that it was listed on the outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the box. Okay, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>They go through the books in like a really meticulous man.

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<v Speaker 3>It took five hours to pick out the ones they wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought that these books are getting stolen before

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<v Speaker 2>they get to Oakland.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, don't want to blame us e eccastically, So

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<v Speaker 3>the stolen items included more than one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 3>rare books. Wow, here's some notable ones. Albert Einstein's own

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen to twenty one copy of Johannes Kepler's The Cosmic Mystery,

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<v Speaker 3>where he lays out his theory of planetary motion. A

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen seventy seven edition of Isaac Newton's Mathematical Principles of

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<v Speaker 3>Natural Philosophy. A fourteen ninety seven update of the first

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<v Speaker 3>book written about women, concerning Famous Women. A fifteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>nine version of Dante's Divine Comedy A Sheath that had

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<v Speaker 3>eighty Goya prints in it. A fifteen sixty six Latin

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<v Speaker 3>edition of On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres by Copernicus. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that one alone is where two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars has to be.

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<v Speaker 3>All said, the missing books are valued at more than

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<v Speaker 3>three point four million dollars and they were worth a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more than that because a lot of them had

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<v Speaker 3>handwritten notes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Them Einstein's top these are like adding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and most of the books could just irreplaceable. You

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<v Speaker 3>could not replace them. The next morning Scotland Yards called

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<v Speaker 3>in and they are just blown away. This is like

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<v Speaker 3>something out of the movies. In the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>warehouse or the three empty metal cases where the books

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<v Speaker 3>had been lesser books kind of strewn on the floor,

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<v Speaker 3>skylights still open. So forensic teams they get to work

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<v Speaker 3>scouring the scene for clues. And when one of the

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<v Speaker 3>Italian book dealers was called and told about the theft,

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<v Speaker 3>he almost fainted. I mean he freaks out. He rushes

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<v Speaker 3>to the airport in Padua and catches the next flight

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<v Speaker 3>to London. The German dealer couldn't believe what he was hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>He told Vanity Fair quote, I had never heard of

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<v Speaker 3>so many books being stolen at once. Insurance fraud, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who wanted to harm one of us, a book lover

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<v Speaker 3>who wanted to have one item and threw away the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the books cover his intentions. That was that's

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<v Speaker 3>a you know, convoluted way.

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<v Speaker 2>They left all this hemingway behind. What the hell.

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<v Speaker 3>All three of the dealers were worried that the theft

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<v Speaker 3>would just ruin them financially. These are the prize positions,

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<v Speaker 3>the guest items. Meanwhile, the heist crew kept moving and

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<v Speaker 3>they have.

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<v Speaker 2>To know, like, I mean, this is like an inside

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<v Speaker 2>inside job. I mean, this is a place in a warehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to know they're going to the warehouse. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to know that these books are in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is like, so they get the books

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<v Speaker 3>out to a house in London and then to the

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<v Speaker 3>chunnel and then to the continent.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone. Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And they weren't just moving the books out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>They were striking again and again. Yeah, other warehouses were hit.

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<v Speaker 2>On the way. They're like, let's just hit a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of more jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's in one they stole a huge number of

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<v Speaker 3>Lenovo laptops and like put a pin in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the laptops will come back to that. So remember the

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<v Speaker 3>footage of the guys cutting into the fence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then they were not seen again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, police were able to track down the car are

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<v Speaker 3>in the video. It was wiped clean, but a forensic

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<v Speaker 3>tech was able to find one single hair on the headrest.

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<v Speaker 3>It was logged. No matches pop up. Meanwhile, in Romania,

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<v Speaker 3>Elena Albu she's the chief prosecutor of organized crime in

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<v Speaker 3>Romania and there's there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of work for her to Yes, she's a

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<v Speaker 2>busy lady. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of weeks after the book how she gets

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<v Speaker 3>a call and the tipster tells her that the thieves

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<v Speaker 3>at the heist were Romanian and here they got names too, Elena,

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<v Speaker 3>check it out. Tea Zoo, Blondie and Christi the Bruiser.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Christi. So these are the people.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, these are members She hadn't heard of some of these, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I bet not. They're members of Clumparu. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>an absolutely horrific gang like think coke and human trafficking,

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<v Speaker 3>run by an absolute monster named i Clumparu aka Pighead aka.

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<v Speaker 2>The Godfather pig Head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he's just a big like sick next.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I get the idea. But your criminal nickname is Pighead. Yeah, like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>MANI he's doing a thirty year stretch for his crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>But his protege, Gavrel popin Chiuk, he started his own

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<v Speaker 3>crew and he saw all the Pighead's mistakes as like

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<v Speaker 3>lessons of what to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>He learned from Pigett.

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<v Speaker 3>He learned from Pigott, and so as a result, he

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<v Speaker 3>created a criminal network that carried out targeted strikes of

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<v Speaker 3>property crime in other areas of Europe. It's like nothing

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<v Speaker 3>on Romanian soil, and everything was ever rotating. Crews would

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<v Speaker 3>pull off a heist and then hand the goods to

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<v Speaker 3>a newly arrived transport crew before immediately leaving the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the transport crew would move the goods to

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<v Speaker 3>another location. Then they'd rotate out of the country while

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<v Speaker 3>a new crew got those goods out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're just constantly rotating. Some of the stolen stuff

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<v Speaker 3>was fenced, some was us this collateral for things, and

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<v Speaker 3>some was stolen especially for like a particular person.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I told you about a similar crew of the

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<v Speaker 3>Pink Panthers before. Yes, those were Yaks, Yugoslavians, Albanians, Croatians

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<v Speaker 3>and Serbians. But these these guys, they're just Romanians.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>So people exactly your people.

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<v Speaker 2>People.

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<v Speaker 3>So Alena Albu and then Tiberius Minea. Tiberius is head

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<v Speaker 3>of organized crime investigations for the Romanian National Police. They

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<v Speaker 3>get in touch with Scotland Yard because they're like, we

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<v Speaker 3>just got this huge tip, this is the break they'd

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<v Speaker 3>been hoping for. So papin Chiuk, he's well known to

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<v Speaker 3>the Romanian authorities and he was like he was always

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<v Speaker 3>he was the mastermind, never a foot soldier. But Romanian

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<v Speaker 3>authorities had like a good notion of who he used

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<v Speaker 3>to carry out his dirty work across Europe. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>they had just busted a guy named Narses Popescu and

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<v Speaker 3>he was stopped while driving and the cops found a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of electronics in his Van Lenovo laptized. Hey, it

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<v Speaker 3>could all be traced back to a warehouse break in

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<v Speaker 3>in England. So the cops they ran his DNA against

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<v Speaker 3>the hair in the car found ditched in South London

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<v Speaker 3>and they got a hit. Whoa yeah. So then DNA

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<v Speaker 3>was also recovered from a piece of metal in the warehouse,

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<v Speaker 3>like touch DNA. So now that the authorities had the

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<v Speaker 3>identity of the purpse, they were able to backtrack their

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<v Speaker 3>movements in the days leading up to the burglary. Eventually

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<v Speaker 3>they're able to connect the crew to twelve different warehouse

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<v Speaker 3>hes and you know they were good every time they

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<v Speaker 3>slipped in and out without detection and adding it all up,

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<v Speaker 3>they got like five million dollars in stuff in this

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<v Speaker 3>little spree theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they ever find out how these guys were doing

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<v Speaker 2>their stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, So Scotland, Yard, Romanians and then Europeol they

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<v Speaker 3>they got all together and they were able to identify

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<v Speaker 3>all of the various men and then they came up

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<v Speaker 3>with what they called Z day Xerenday twenty fifth, twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So on that day, one hundred and fifty police officers

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<v Speaker 3>spread out simultaneously and searched forty five houses in other

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<v Speaker 3>kind of locations in England, Italy, Germany, Romania. Thirteen men

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<v Speaker 3>were arrested and then sent to England to stand trial.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them pleaded innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, good good on them. You kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The trial started on February twentieth, twenty twenty. Think about

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<v Speaker 3>that date.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going right into COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh. Trial did last long because COVID lockdown kicked

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<v Speaker 3>in just a couple of weeks later everything ground to

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<v Speaker 3>a halt. This was a huge case and like tons

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<v Speaker 3>of witnesses, evidence and hubbub, but you know you got

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<v Speaker 3>this global pandemic wreaking habit. Court gets canceled. The defendants

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<v Speaker 3>are told to sit in stew and jail until things

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<v Speaker 3>open back up. And like remember back in that time,

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<v Speaker 3>we were like, oh, it'll be like two weeks, three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks for yeah. Oh boy. So the guys they realized

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to drag on after a while, and

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<v Speaker 3>on the advice of council, all all but one pleaded guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>All but one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Judge Jonathan Davies said, quote, each of you joined

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<v Speaker 3>and played a part in a criminal enterprise carried out

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<v Speaker 3>with skill and determination. You took risks with your eyes open.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a carefully planned operation, often carried out with

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<v Speaker 3>mission impossible skill.

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<v Speaker 2>Bravo. So yeah, I'm gonna wap you guys up, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>give it up.

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<v Speaker 3>They all got reduction for pandemic conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, the release release.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. On their sentences. The foot Soldiers got three to

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<v Speaker 3>four years based you know depending Papinciok he got five

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<v Speaker 3>years and eight months. And like none of them would

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<v Speaker 3>reveal how they knew to hit the warehouse at that

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<v Speaker 3>specific time. For those specific books. Everyone's like there had

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<v Speaker 3>to be an insider, but they never found out who

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<v Speaker 3>could be.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's some criminal overlord who is a reader and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I need my like and also the scientific

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<v Speaker 2>book code.

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<v Speaker 3>Well here's the thing though, what happened to the books?

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<v Speaker 2>Why Neil de grass Tyson pay for this? That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, so they still they're trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>what did happen in the books? Was there like a

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<v Speaker 3>criminal who's you know, a science guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, I really wanted my own copy of

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<v Speaker 2>Principal mathematic.

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<v Speaker 3>Grass Tyson order this hit. Two of the men who

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<v Speaker 3>were convicted were brothers, and authorities were aware of the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they had built a really large house very

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<v Speaker 3>recently right next to their parents' place out in the

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<v Speaker 3>country in Romania, and they figured, you know, we should

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<v Speaker 3>check this new construction.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I dig guys?

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<v Speaker 3>So the cops they go. They busted up a six

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<v Speaker 3>inch slab of concrete over the garage floor and underneath

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<v Speaker 3>there was a board and Tiberius, right, he's on hand,

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<v Speaker 3>He's the one who gets to lift the board.

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<v Speaker 2>They made him lift the board.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said, quote it was very tense. I was

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<v Speaker 3>really worried about damaging the books. We'd work so long

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<v Speaker 3>and hard to arrive at that moment. And then so

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<v Speaker 3>they lift the board and there's an underground bunker and

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<v Speaker 3>that's where the books all were. So most of them

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<v Speaker 3>are in recycling bins. Some were still in the canvas

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<v Speaker 3>totes from the heist. Yeah, the authorities they took the

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<v Speaker 3>books and they moved them to a climate controlled room

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<v Speaker 3>at the National Library in Bucharest, and the book dealers

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<v Speaker 3>they all descend to like claim their precious cargo. Only

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of the books were damaged, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>all really small stuff that could easily be fixed, like

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of water, Yeah, that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>There were only four books missing, but they weren't like

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<v Speaker 3>the big ticket items. Book dealer Biselobado, he's the one

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<v Speaker 3>who came from Padua. He said quote, I had given

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<v Speaker 3>up hope. When I saw them, I felt like the

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<v Speaker 3>youngest book dealer in the world. They were fantastic books.

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<v Speaker 2>The youngest, whole life of promise of book dealing lay

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<v Speaker 2>before me.

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<v Speaker 3>So that night, the book dealers and then like the

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<v Speaker 3>Romanian cops, the English cops, they all got together for

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<v Speaker 3>dinner at a restaurant in Brest.

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<v Speaker 2>They read from the books.

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<v Speaker 3>Well in bizzello, he yells out, tonight we drink like lions.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, these guys are on boy.

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<v Speaker 3>So that that's we got a happy I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Way to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get a glass of water, stretch our legs. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>some ads. When we get back, I'll hit you with

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<v Speaker 3>another book. Heist zaren a bit. Let's stay in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it there not, I got my passport on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Italy, and that's where we're going for this

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<v Speaker 3>next book. Heist.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like Yugoslavia, but it's not a country anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, I can't go there.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's try Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom's favorite city in Italy is Naples. Really, she

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<v Speaker 3>loves place.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean nothing against Naples. I'm not like doubting, but.

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<v Speaker 3>What it loves everything about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I mean I love Milan, but I really love Bologna,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not said a lot of people talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of my favorites of all Italy. So Naples

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<v Speaker 2>is it? The food? Is that the art?

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<v Speaker 3>Culture is the art the culture? She said, it's gritty

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<v Speaker 3>that it's that so this.

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<v Speaker 2>One goes out to the monis like the edge much

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Biblioteca giro Lamini in Naples. It's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the oldest and most prestigious libraries in Italy. It's located

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<v Speaker 3>inside the sixteenth century church complex right in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of Naples.

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<v Speaker 2>All the best libraries are.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, totally, and it looks like you'd imagine like this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't some modern glass and steel, climate controlled vault. Totally

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm talking rich dark wooden shelves soaring up to

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<v Speaker 3>cathedral ceilings, ornate designs, gilded walls, you know those like

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<v Speaker 3>long ladders that reach the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how some people have zoom backgrounds with like

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<v Speaker 3>lux European libraries. Why have you noted that? But that's

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<v Speaker 3>what this looks like. What's your zoom background?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I just I just make it blurry

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<v Speaker 2>and because I have dreads and makes it constantly interesting

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<v Speaker 2>where it doesn't know how to cut off my hair.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just moving in out of this weird filter.

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<v Speaker 3>Space so you don't raw dog it and just have

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<v Speaker 3>I used to do that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>People kept commenting on like all the stuff behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, you people are weird not doing that anymore. Blur.

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<v Speaker 3>There's too much this detectable in the blur.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I'm just like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have like a blaze.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like a blue, like a having a solid background.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you have like a fixed thing? Wow, look

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<v Speaker 2>at us, solid blue. I don't zoom with you. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't. And let's keep it that okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey anyway. Biblioteca giro Lamini. It contains an extensive collection

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<v Speaker 3>of rare books and manuscripts, and like for years people

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<v Speaker 3>would visit from all over to marvel at the wonders

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<v Speaker 3>with him.

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<v Speaker 2>They should.

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<v Speaker 3>They had a fifteen eighteen edition of Thomas Moore's Utopia

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<v Speaker 3>yea Galileo's sixteen ten treatise Siderus Nincius, containing more than

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<v Speaker 3>seventy drawings of the moon and the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it up to my heretics.

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<v Speaker 3>Kepler's Study of the Motions of Mars Astrona Mia Nova.

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<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be one of the greatest books in

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<v Speaker 3>the hit story of astronomy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the new astronomy at the time. Elizabeth, It's

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<v Speaker 2>right there.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, in the eighties, the library fell into disrepair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes to everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like that museum in Brazil I told you

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<v Speaker 3>about with the dinosaurs. Oh what like, we don't take

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<v Speaker 3>enough care of our cultural institutions and.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't even blame Reagan for this one.

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<v Speaker 3>No, sadly, and so that that's what happened in Naples.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have the money to restore it or like

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<v Speaker 3>fully staff it. So it's it's closed to the public,

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<v Speaker 3>but academics could still act okay cool, and they still had,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, librarians working there. Zeren close your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa okay closed?

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to picture it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's spring twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>You are an art history graduate student at Universita del

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<v Speaker 3>Sturdi de Napoli Fredridue. The university was founded in twelve

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four and is the world's oldest state funded university

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<v Speaker 3>in continuous operation. You have the great honor of studying

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<v Speaker 3>under famed art historian and academic Professor Tomaso Montenari. The

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<v Speaker 3>Florentine scholar is an expert in Baroque art, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>written more than one hundred scholarly essays on the topic.

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<v Speaker 3>The bespeckaled professor with a boyish haircut came to you

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days ago with concerning news. He'd received

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<v Speaker 3>a call from a brother and sister who work at

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<v Speaker 3>the Biblioteca Girolamini. They'd seen unsettling footage on the library's CCTV.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted Professore to take a look at the library

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<v Speaker 3>and see for himself what was happening there. They said

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<v Speaker 3>it was bad. You can't imagine what that means. Tamaso

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<v Speaker 3>asked you to go with him to the library, as

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted both a witness and some muscle. It's only

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<v Speaker 3>a ten minute walk or so from the university to

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<v Speaker 3>the library. As you walk down via Duomo, moped's whiz

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<v Speaker 3>by and diner's chat at cafe tables on the sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 3>you crossed via de Tribunali and share comments about Caravaggio's

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<v Speaker 3>The Seven Works of Mercy House. Just here left in

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<v Speaker 3>the Pio Monte de la Missicordia, you reached the Duomo

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<v Speaker 3>di Napoli and you know you've arrived. Just across from

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<v Speaker 3>the cathedral, filled with frescoes and candles and the stunning

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<v Speaker 3>Baroque high altar, is the library, a once equally impressive

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<v Speaker 3>building The library is shabby and has seen better days.

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<v Speaker 3>The professor presses a doorbell on the main front door.

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<v Speaker 3>As tourists and Vesco's speed by you. There's a buzz

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<v Speaker 3>and a door on locks. You push it open and

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<v Speaker 3>escape from the hot sun the din of the bright

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<v Speaker 3>street into the silent tomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the library entryway.

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<v Speaker 3>Your footsteps echo off the marble floors as you cross

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<v Speaker 3>through the main library room. It looks dusty, but none

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<v Speaker 3>worse for wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Bonjana.

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<v Speaker 3>The professor calls out silence. You proceed into the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the library, into the rare books area. The professor

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<v Speaker 3>lets how to gasp when you round a corner. The

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<v Speaker 3>bookshelves are empty. On tabletops and on the floor, books

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<v Speaker 3>and loose papers are piled into random jumbles. You walk

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<v Speaker 3>into the next bookroom, it's the same books everywhere the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>On stairs, you hear a weak and papers slide from

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<v Speaker 3>a crowded tabletop to the floor. A mouse scurries out

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<v Speaker 3>of the pile and ducks under a doorway. As you walk,

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<v Speaker 3>you stumble on potato chip bags and accidentally kick an

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<v Speaker 3>empty soda can across the room. You hear a tapping sound.

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<v Speaker 3>You and the professor turn you recognize that sound. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the sound of a dog's nails on a tile floor.

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<v Speaker 3>A scruffy pup sticks his head around the corner, a

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<v Speaker 3>bone in its mouth. You've got to be kidding me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is outrageous, the professor yells. The dog knows when

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<v Speaker 3>he's not welcome, so he trots off in the direction

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<v Speaker 3>of the back of the library. You hear quiet footsteps,

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<v Speaker 3>the soft souls of a librarian. A woman enters the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Come this way, she tells you. You and the professor

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<v Speaker 3>follow her down a hall to an alcove by.

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<v Speaker 2>A fire exit.

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<v Speaker 3>There are no CCTV cameras here.

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<v Speaker 2>She leans in and whispers.

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<v Speaker 3>Professor, the director has been looting the library. Well, who

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<v Speaker 3>is this director?

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<v Speaker 2>One?

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<v Speaker 3>Marino Massimo Dico Dacao is a self taught bibliophile. No

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<v Speaker 3>college degree. He studied law at the University of Siena,

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<v Speaker 3>but he dropped out before getting a degree. He moved

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<v Speaker 3>to Verona in nineteen ninety eight and he took a

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<v Speaker 3>job as a communications director at a government office.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah, the Ungentleman of run exactly, and then like around

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<v Speaker 5>this time, he meets this Argentine book dealer at a

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<v Speaker 5>bookfair in Milan, and so he gets that connection, and

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<v Speaker 5>then he starts going to Argentina on the regular and

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<v Speaker 5>he would like hang out with all the book collectors there.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually he met Cardinal Jorge Mahia, who's from Argentina and

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<v Speaker 3>also happened to be the director of the Vatican Library.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Takaro gets access through him to the Vatican Library's card catalog.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's just like this operator. In February of two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and three, Tacaro gave the Vatican Library sixteen books

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<v Speaker 3>printed before fifteen oh one and three fifteenth century manuscripts

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<v Speaker 3>in total, all worth about a hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do they give them books?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Like, yeah, they're broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like they don't need Come on now whatever, All right,

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<v Speaker 2>get into Heaven. Okay, fine, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in exchange, though, the Vatican gave him six books

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<v Speaker 3>valued it more than a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they're just trading books.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trading books like baseball cards. Yeah, including three Galileo

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<v Speaker 3>titles that had been owned by relatives of Pope Urban

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 3>the Eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Vatican was like, we got other copies of

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<v Speaker 3>the Galileo text, no big like.

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<v Speaker 2>We got us. We got a lot of his books.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll give you some, right, we confiscated a bunch of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the Pope's secretary totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Authorized the deal. Of course, what do they care it? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So, however, there were people at the library who thought

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<v Speaker 3>it hanky. I'm with them, yes, so much so that

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<v Speaker 3>when they tried to broker a second deal, someone put

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<v Speaker 3>the brakes on it.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, you need to stop this, Like, bro come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So twenty ten DeCaro he's named an advisor on

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<v Speaker 3>energy issues to the Agriculture minister in the government of

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<v Speaker 3>mister Bunga Bunga party himself, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I have to hear. I now know everything

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I need to know about this guy, get it.

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<v Speaker 3>When that minister moved from agriculture to the Culture portfolio

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eleven, Dakaro went with him, and from there

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<v Speaker 3>Jacaro starts lobbying to become the director of the library

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<v Speaker 3>in Naples, and then in that same year they give

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<v Speaker 3>him the gig. He's not qualified in any way other

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<v Speaker 3>than just being like, I really like books and I

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<v Speaker 3>know how to make deals with the Vatican Library.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the lack of respect for how like things

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<v Speaker 2>like this it took a long time to create and

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>to mag and these long traditions were like, well the

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<v Speaker 2>hell once it worked? To you, Bob, we've turned everything

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<v Speaker 2>into a commodity and there is nothing that isn't like,

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:40.719
<v Speaker 2>what will you give me for this?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? So he gets the gig and then not even

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 3>nine months later, it all starts to fall apart. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>So after the professor visited the library, he wrote an

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<v Speaker 3>article about it in the paper, and then the cops

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<v Speaker 3>launched an investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of article do you have to write? The

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<v Speaker 2>cops like, well, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Liter was like there was a dog with a bone

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<v Speaker 3>in its mouth walking around the library and soda cans

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 3>on the floor, like that's in there. So it turns

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<v Speaker 3>out that like Tacaro got in and basically started looting

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 3>the place, that sounds like, And eventually he's arrested. Major

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<v Speaker 3>Antonio Coppola, the police chief in charge of the operation

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<v Speaker 3>to like get all the books back. Copola, yeah, said quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Our investigations found that there was a true criminal system

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<v Speaker 3>in action. A group of people carried out a devastating

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 3>systematic looting of the library. What strikes you was the

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 3>complete lack of respect for these precious works. Many of

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 3>them were thrown on the floor, chaos, rained shelves in

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 3>which very important books, once rested, were now totally emptied.

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<v Speaker 2>So another Coppola understands the respect. We need to pay

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<v Speaker 2>a call exactly, So they all understand exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In all, it's estimated that Tacarro lifted about four thousand

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<v Speaker 3>books from the library Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>In nine months?

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<v Speaker 3>And it went like this, So at night he would

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<v Speaker 3>turn off the library CCTV system, which was like limited anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>And in one case there's well there's footage of him

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<v Speaker 3>taking something and realizing the cameras there and then covering

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<v Speaker 3>it up and then like so he and some associates

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<v Speaker 3>they would just totally I forgot that one. They would

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<v Speaker 3>just take books right off the shelf, like he had

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<v Speaker 3>these little you know, minion.

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<v Speaker 4>One.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the ones that are of particular value they put

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<v Speaker 3>into boxes and they loaded those into vans outside. And

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes they would just make piles next to the stacks

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<v Speaker 3>as they scan through the books of real value. So

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<v Speaker 3>they're like toss, keep toss, keep.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to know what they can do it. I

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>guess it's just all monetary value.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, completely. So he had a bookbinder who worked for him,

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<v Speaker 3>and that guy's job was to remove the library stamps

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<v Speaker 3>from the books, and in some cases they just ripped

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<v Speaker 3>them out and like seriously damaged the books in doing so.

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<v Speaker 3>Coppola said, sometimes they would even remove the binding of

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<v Speaker 3>the book. Ah, he said, quote they wanted to make

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<v Speaker 3>it impossible to trace them back. But some of the

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 3>books had binding from the seventeenth century, which in some

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 3>cases made the binding more valuable than the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, come on, guys.

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 3>And so the books they made their way all over Europe,

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 3>South America, Asia, they ended up with antique sellers, collectors,

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 3>auction houses, suspects. Yeah, five hundred books went to a

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 3>German auction house who paid a million euro advance on

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 3>the lot. Yeah this, Coppola said, quote, this was only

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<v Speaker 3>one load of the books. So you could imagine how

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<v Speaker 3>much money they could have made from this looting if

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<v Speaker 3>we and the courts hadn't stopped it. Yeah. He said

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<v Speaker 3>that DeCaro was like a well known figure in all

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<v Speaker 3>these these bookselling circles, and that quote he had some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of political cover that enabled him, over the years

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<v Speaker 3>to reach positions of responsibility and institutions more or less

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 3>controlled by the Ministry for Culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I imagine him in like the mask on parties

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally, so they're like, you know, he says, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>took him, but I did it because I was trying

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<v Speaker 3>to raise money for the library and then the kids

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 3>the library.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, you know, like, if.

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 3>That's true, why are you removing all the markings and

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>doing it not under cover of darkness and trash and.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>The joint people come up in lives like that, like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to save it by destroying destroying. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>good at that.

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Come on. He wasn't the only one to go down

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<v Speaker 3>for this, thank god. Well, the same prosecutors who go

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<v Speaker 3>after the mafia in Naples, Yes, guys, they went after

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<v Speaker 3>the book gang and the same investigation tactics. So Naples prosecutors,

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 3>they focused on rare book dealers and collectors who may

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 3>have bought the works.

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 2>They created the network, they found it.

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they totally just dismantled the whole thing. The New

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 3>York Times reported at the time, quote, they are slowly

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<v Speaker 3>exposing the practices of the rare book market, where deception

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes rains, prices can reach into the millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>and the trail often goes dead at the Swiss border.

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 3>The international market absorbed without batting an eye books that

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<v Speaker 3>they could not have known came from the Geralamini library.

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<v Speaker 3>Giovanni Mililo, the Naples prosecutor who's leading the investigations, said

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<v Speaker 3>in an interview this week the rule don't ask, don't

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<v Speaker 3>tell is what governs the rare book market. He added,

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutors have requested cooperation from across Europe, as well as

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<v Speaker 3>from the United States and Argentina.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the rare book market is basically the

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<v Speaker 2>art world with less cocaine and more dust.

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's the bookish modern art world totally.

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<v Speaker 3>One guy arrested was a priest responsible for security at

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 3>the library. Like they no one was spared. Then there

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>was Marcello Delutri. He was a senator and a member

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 3>of Silvio Berlusconi's People of Freedom party party. He was

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a close aid of Captain Bunga Bunga and was known

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 3>to have mob ties, and it was said that he

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<v Speaker 3>received about ten of the stolen books for his personal collection.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. Quote, Bosters love that kind of stingy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what his lawyer told BBC. Quote, he received

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<v Speaker 3>some books as a free gift. As soon as he

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<v Speaker 3>realized from newspaper reports that they probably came from the

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<v Speaker 3>Jerlimini library, he contacted the authorities and gave him back.

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, since he realized there may be trouble, He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I can't keep these.

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<v Speaker 3>But he didn't return a fifteen eighteen edition of Thomas

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<v Speaker 3>Moore's Utopia. Really, and this is what his lawyer said,

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<v Speaker 3>quote regarding the other book, we're speaking about a book

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<v Speaker 3>of very little value, and he simply can't fight it

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment. As soon as he does, he'll give

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<v Speaker 3>that back as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I just love murdered parishioners.

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<v Speaker 3>So in court proceedings, Diccado testified that he had a

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 3>bunch of copies of Galileo's Sidarius Nuccius forged in Argentina.

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Forged copies now and the world too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he was like, I'm a really good forger,

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<v Speaker 3>including one that he placed in the National Library in Naples.

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<v Speaker 3>When he took the original, he just put his little yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He topped it.

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<v Speaker 3>According to The New York Times, quote asked outside the

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<v Speaker 3>courtroom in Naples, how you go about forging a book

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<v Speaker 3>by Galileo let alone, one that was sold at auction

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 3>and fooled some of the world's leading experts, mister DeCaro

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 3>smiled with excitement. Borhes Inficxioones wrote that when a book

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 3>is false, it is equal to, if not better than,

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 3>the original. He said. Then one of his lawyers quickly

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 3>approached and said the conversation was over.

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 2>He's quoting Borhees.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 3>He quotes Borhes, I love that that. I hate him.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 4>Now right.

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 3>He gets sentenced to seven years imprisonment but house arrest,

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.240
<v Speaker 3>and then he also had a lifetime exclusion from public office.

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 3>And the good news is that eighteen months after the

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 3>looting was discovered, police believed that they had managed to

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 3>track down most of the books. Copola said, quote, we

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 3>think a high percentage, up to eighty percent, has been recovered.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 3>And then in twenty twelve, the authorities recovered more than

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 3>a thousand volume in a self storage unit in Verona

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 3>that Dacaro had. So he just put it into self storage.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Like lost track, and didn't pay his bill and He's like, Oh,

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I forgot which one is that in, and all of

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a sudden someone buys all these books like four thousand

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>euro or whatever.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>So Copel I will go back to him. Quote. This

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 3>is thanks to investigative activities shadowing and wiretapping, for example,

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>that has enabled us to identify movements in places where

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 3>books were being kept warehouses, underground parking places, houses. We've

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 3>had important collaboration with associations of antique booksellers. We've warned

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 3>them to keep an eye open for books that they

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>might have even the slightest suspicion could be coming from

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 3>the library. And he said that, like people all over

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 3>the world have contacted him about books. Quote, my personal

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 3>email address is spread around the world among those in

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 3>this sector, and I'm often reached by people that have

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 3>doubts about a book.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh who's a player, right, you can find my email everywhere.

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 3>So he's thinking that, like, you know, when all the

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 3>attention dies down, that like maybe more of the books

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:10.959
<v Speaker 3>will reach Twelve years later, library remains closed. No, let's

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 3>take a break. When we come back. I've got a

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 3>state side book heist.

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 6>For you, and I got a book you may want

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 6>to buy.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Zaren, Elizabeth Zaren, I got books.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I got books for you too.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I told you about books in a warehouse. I

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 3>told you about books in an old, poorly guarded library.

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Are there any places where books are safe submarines? Yes,

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 3>the safest rare book collections. They use what's known as

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 3>a defense in depth, So like a series of small

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 3>overlapping measures that like, you know, you have to get

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 3>through too many chambers or too many layers of security.

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Timed locks, and then into vaults that box sign out. Yeah.

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 3>So an example of this is the Oliver Room, which

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 3>is home to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh's rare books

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 3>and archives. So there's a single point of entry and

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 3>only a few people have keys to it, and all

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 3>guests they got to sign in. You have to leave

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 3>personal items like your bag or your coat.

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, people have to turn different keys at the

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:36.399
<v Speaker 2>same time.

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so it's extensive CCTV. Why am I telling you?

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Why are you telling me this, Elizabeth?

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh, surely the books there are safe.

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Don't call me, Shirley.

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 3>In twenty seventeen, the library's administration discovered something shocking.

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>What did they discover?

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 3>A bunch of stuff was gone.

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Those would be like electric outlet.

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 3>No, like a like a lot of stuff is gone?

0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:59.320
<v Speaker 2>How much we're talking.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 3>Eight million dollars worth of real It's like, what are

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 3>we talking about? You want me to give you a little.

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Inventory a whole building? What the hell?

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 3>A book signed by Thomas Jefferson. The oldest book in

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>the collection was gone. It was a collection of sermons

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 3>printed in fourteen seventy three. There was a first edition

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 3>of Isaac Newton's ninety eight, A first edition of the

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, a letter written by WILLIAMS.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Jennings Bryant, Oh across the Gold, Yeah, A rare copy

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 3>of Elizabeth Katie Stanton's memoir eighteen eight Memoir, A first

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 3>edition of a book written by John Adams, the first

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 3>English edition of Boccaccio's De Cameron.

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh I have that book? Yeah?

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, this one was printed in London in sixteen twenty.

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 2>You got that mine from eighteen hundred.

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 3>I thought maybe you had this one. No, no, no,

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 3>the first edition of George Elliott Silas Marner. Missing were

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eight of the one hundred and fifty

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 3>five hand colored lithographs from Audubon's eighteen fifty one Quadrupeds

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 3>of North America.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Damn Audubon's book. Dude, you know the paintings and everything.

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Fifty one plates and maps from John Ogilbee's America, one

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 3>of the greatest illustrated works about the New World, sixteen

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 3>seventy one. All of the maps from a copy of

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Ptolemy's Legiographia printed in fifteen forty eight. Whoa, yeah, Ptolemy's maps. Yeah,

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 3>all two hundred and seventy six hand colored lithograph maps

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 3>in the sixteen forty four Blau Atlas that mapped the

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 3>known world in the age of European exploration. Oh, fifteen

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 3>hundred rare photogravure plate prints of Native Americans by Edward Curtis.

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, And only two hundred and seventy two

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 3>sets were created, And in twenty twelve Christie sold one

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 3>of those sets for two point eight million.

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I think I remember hearing about that, and so one

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>of those is gone totally.

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 3>And so while the London heist I told you about

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 3>like that took just a few hours, and the Naples

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 3>looting went on for about nine months, this was a

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 3>slow moo heist.

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>It went on for almost a quarter of a century.

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.959
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. You first said slow,

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>like they just did it and they like.

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 3>To not set off motions exactly totally. So who was

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 3>in charge there? You must be asking.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth who was in charge of this Carnegie Mellon one room.

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 3>Library fellow by the name of Greg Priori, not Greg Prior,

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Greg greg Priory a Priori. In nineteen ninety one, the

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 3>library decided to establish like a true archive of its collection,

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 3>and like, yeah, ninety one. So Greg, he had an

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 3>MA in European history and he was working in the

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 3>library's Pennsylvania room while he was getting a library science

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 3>degree at University of Pittsburgh, and he had like that

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 3>was with an emphasis on archives management. So he's like

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 3>the perfect choice for this. Yeah, and he's a chill

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 3>guy's local boy made good. He's like doing his dream job,

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 3>dream location and running a tight ship. Like his desk

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 3>was right where people signed in and out of the

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 3>archive and he would personally assess each item that was

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 3>removed and returned. It was just a hard ass. Like

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 3>when he set up the archive, he worked with a

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 3>preservation specialist to assess the Carnegie Librariy's collection.

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>A plenty of white gloves good, oh for days.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Then he hired two rare book experts who found that

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 3>the library hadn't really done much to preserve its oldest books.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's harder to find rare books experts.

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are really hard to find. So they created

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>a climate controlled environment like that followed all the best

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 3>practices at the time. It became a prime example of

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 3>a spectacular rare book archive. Zaren. It was highlighted on

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.760
<v Speaker 3>c SPAN. You know it's book TV.

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know I watched books.

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I know you do watch book TV. So, as with

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 3>any kind of collection, there came time for an audit,

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 3>and in the fall of twenty sixteen, library officials hired

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 3>the Paul mal Art advisors.

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Like the cigarette company, Yeah, to.

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Undertake They come in, all smoking cigarettes.

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Come on, you guys are not addiction on stuff? Whoa, whoa, ladies.

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 3>So Carrie Lee, Jeffrey and Christianiskavuzo they come in. They

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 3>began their audit on April third, twenty seventeen, and they

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 3>were using this is in twenty seventeen. They're using the

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety one inventory as their guide. Oh wow, so

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>when it was first established and they immediately.

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Found problems like yeah.

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 3>According to Smithsonian Magazine quote, Jeffrey was looking for Thomas

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 3>McKinney and James Hall's History of the Indian Tribes of

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 3>North America. This landmark work included one hundred and twenty

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 3>hand drawn lithographs, the result of a project that began

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 3>in eighteen twenty one with McKinney's attempt to document in

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 3>full color the dress and spiritual practices of Native Americans

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 3>who had visited Washington, d c. To arrange treaties with

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 3>the government. The three volume set of folios, produced between

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 3>eighteen thirty six and eighteen forty four, is large and

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 3>gorgeous and would be a highlight in collection. But the

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Carnegie Libraries version had been hidden on a top shelf

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 3>at the end of a row. When Jeffrey discovered why,

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>her stomach dropped once a plump book filled with plates,

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 3>she would recall the sides had carved in on themselves.

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 3>All those stunning illustrations had been cut from the binding.

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, so just just cut it all out.

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>The book predates Andrew Jackson's Like Indian Removal Act stuff.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>We're talking like American history.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 4>You can't.

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>It's just like pure documentation.

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Goes in there with like an exact knife and just

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>like I can get seventy bucks for this.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Domino's falling after that, like things missing, pieces or items,

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 3>every everything's missing. And then she she sees it and

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 3>it's like the world is spinning out from underneath her.

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, her stomach shopping cried.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Like she wonder officers just started crying when she learned

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 3>the extent of the thievery and the damage.

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Some people get upset when they see, like animals hurt.

0:43:59.080 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she've had that.

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Visceral reach exactly exactly. So five days after the start

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 3>of the audit, five days Jeffrey and Skuvuzzo they met

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.439
<v Speaker 3>with the library's director, Mary Francis Cooper, and then two

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:16.240
<v Speaker 3>other administrators, and they detailed their findings up until that point.

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Four days later, Cooper has the lock to the Oliver

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 3>room changed and they didn't give Greg Priori a key.

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 3>They kind of figured, you know, this all went down

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 3>on his.

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Watch, and he's the only one with the watching everything.

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 3>And it's also because he was the one taking everything.

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 3>And the thing is he wasn't living large off the

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 3>sales of these books and prints. You know, he was married,

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 3>he had four kids. They lived in like a you know,

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 3>little apartment, but he was like running up debt. His

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 3>kids all went to posh.

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Private schools, so the books are paying for that pretty much.

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 3>And between his place and work there was there was

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>a bookstore, Caliban Bookshop, and the owner, John Shulman, he

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.760
<v Speaker 3>started his business in like the eighties and he worked

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 3>out of his apartment and then he opened Caliban Bookshops.

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 3>He was he was a member of the Antiquarian Booksellers

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Association of America RIAA. That's the this should all be

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 3>an affront to Biblio Dicks. That was Biblio Dick's group exactly.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 3>So this dude he even served. Shulman he was on

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>the board of governors for the mid Atlantic Chapter of

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 3>He served as an appraiser for the University of Pittsburgh,

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Carnegie Mellon University, and Penn State. And he was even

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 3>on PBS Antiques road Show.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't trust those people. We've talked about it, it's

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>happened before. I just don't trust him. Just generally. I'm like,

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:43.359
<v Speaker 2>you want to be on TV too much. I don't

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>trust ANTIQ people shouldn't want to be on TV like this. No,

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 2>he should be private.

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 3>So Priori he would bring the books that he stole

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 3>to Shulman. Shulman would inspect the item and then he

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 3>would list it for sale on his website. And here's

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 3>the thing though, remember how it enables their partners, their

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 3>total partners. The guy in Naples hired the bookbinder to

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 3>remove any marks or stamps from the books.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>They didn't do this.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 3>All of the items in the library had this special

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 3>book plate inside the front cover.

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>No problem.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 3>Shulman had a small red stamp in his store that

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:20.359
<v Speaker 3>read withdrawn from library. And when he had something from

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 3>the Oliver collection, he'd used the stamp to mark the

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 3>bottom of the book plate and apparently that was enough

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 3>to override the book plate. Like the library got rid

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 3>of this one.

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see, it wouldn't question it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Priori he had sort of seen the audit coming.

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<v Speaker 3>He knew and he was a little nervous about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And his coworkers thought that he was acting that way

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 3>because he's just very territorial. But like they didn't know

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 3>that he had liquidated most of the stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 3>And like now the walls are closing in, and so

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<v Speaker 3>Priori and Shulman had they came up with a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of explanations as to why stuff was gone, Like they

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 3>just workshopped ideas. So they doctored paperwork saying that some

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 3>of it was out for repair or like loaned to

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 3>another institution. And then they're like, oh, maybe we could

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<v Speaker 3>blame the former director of the library.

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<v Speaker 2>He's dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just blame him.

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's blame the dead guy.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or like, oh, let's just blame the staff, like

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 3>you know whatever, Oh no, even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Maintenance workers them like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was in no way a one off though, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like, oh there's just one big thing missing

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<v Speaker 3>or like five items suddenly gone.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going for so long, and all.

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<v Speaker 3>Signs point to Priori, and so first he gets fired obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the cops raided his house, and they raided the

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:39.280
<v Speaker 3>bookstore and the warehouse for the bookstore, and at the warehouse,

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<v Speaker 3>the auditors rode along with the cops, and they were

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<v Speaker 3>able to identify ninety one of the Edward Curtis Prince

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<v Speaker 3>and seven maps from that atlas, and then plus they

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<v Speaker 3>found the withdrawn from library stamp just sitting right there,

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<v Speaker 3>and then upon questioning, Priori cracked. Of course, he pleaded

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<v Speaker 3>guilty to theft and receiving stolen property the partner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well yeah, he gets sentenced to three years of house

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<v Speaker 3>arrest and twelve years probation.

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:07.399
<v Speaker 2>And people were mad.

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 3>They didn't think that was enough.

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman pleaded guilty to receiving stolen property, theft by deception

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<v Speaker 3>and forgery, and he got four years of house arrest

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 3>and twelve years of probation. But he also had to

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 3>pay fifty five grand in restitution. That's not a lot.

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 3>And so like these days, people lived so well in

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 3>their homes, right, you got everything, Oh totally, Look, we

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 3>just survived a couple of years a half exactly. And

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 3>so like those who'd bought the books, they had to

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<v Speaker 3>surrender them, either at their own volition or the order

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<v Speaker 3>of the police. Bill Clasby is he's a head of

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 3>special collections for Case Western Reserve University's main library. Okay,

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 3>August of twenty eighteen, he gets called by someone from

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<v Speaker 3>the DA's office in the Alleghany County, Pennsylvania, asking about

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 3>a book of early modern astronomy that he bought from

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Caliban Books and like right there on the book plate

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 3>was the telltale red stamp, so clasp he sent the

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<v Speaker 3>book back. Another guy, Michael Kaisel, private collector, he bought

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 3>a book from a rare book dealer in England and

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 3>the same detective reaches out to him and let him

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 3>know that Shulman had sold the stolen book to the

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 3>English dealer, which meant his book was hot and he

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.280
<v Speaker 3>had to return it. So he did, and the detective

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 3>he just continues to reach out to the duped and

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 3>they all sent.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything back, good for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And there's some debate about Shulman's involvement in all

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<v Speaker 3>of this.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't have.

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Any yeah, something that he was unaware that the books

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 3>were stolen, and others think that there's no way that

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 3>he was that naive.

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean, come on, he's got the stamp to

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.240
<v Speaker 2>be like falsifying things, and even he's being told by somebody,

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>then he's just really dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. Smithsonian Magazine pointed out, quote the Ethics Code

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<v Speaker 3>of the Antiquarian Booksellers Association of America states that members

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<v Speaker 3>quote shall make all reasonable efforts to ascertain that materials

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<v Speaker 3>offered to him or her are the property that sellers

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 3>and members shall make every effort to prevent the theft

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 3>or distribution of stolen antiquarian books and related materials. Shulman

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 3>was not only a member of the ABAA, he had

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<v Speaker 3>served on its Ethics and Standards Committee.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, man, we all know this. Your

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.799
<v Speaker 2>whole job is to be suspicious. Yeah, that's it.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be suspicious exactly.

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 2>You're selling an item we all know is going to

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.759
<v Speaker 2>be likely either stolen or like possibly hinky right.

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And Patrick Dowd, board chair of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 3>said the thefts quote will forever raise doubts about the

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<v Speaker 3>security of all future charitable donations, particularly to the Carnegie Library.

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<v Speaker 3>The damage wrought by John Shulman and Greg Priori is unfathomable.

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 3>The true depths of their betrayal of trust, their vandalism,

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 3>destruction of public property, and theft from our community is unquantifiable.

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 2>People don't value trust enough once it's gone, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Priori, he was eager to throw Shulman under the bus.

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 3>According to the New York Times quote, mister Priori told

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.919
<v Speaker 3>the authorities that he had stolen the items for money

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 3>to stay afloat and help pay tuition for his four children.

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 3>I should have never done this, he said. I loved

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 3>that room my whole working life, and greed came over me.

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I did it, he said, but Shulman spurred me on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. That was gonna be my question to you, Elizabeth.

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 2>You've read about these guys, do you think? Shulman said, Hey, man,

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 2>you work at the book store. You know, can you

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>ever get me something? The guy came in and said, hey, Shulman,

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:26.879
<v Speaker 2>I got some stuff, like is it a Priori telling

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Shulman I got the idea?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I'm thinking that, like, I don't know, it's sort

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 3>of this chicken egg.

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Shulman. I think the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>sells is gonna be the one who comes up with

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:39.439
<v Speaker 2>the idea I can sell some books at the post

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 2>of the guy who's like, hey, will you be my fence,

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:42.760
<v Speaker 2>because that's a harder question to ask.

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe there was one that like was legitimately removed

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:49.719
<v Speaker 3>from the I.

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<v Speaker 2>Figure I started telling me about he goes and I

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:52.919
<v Speaker 2>could do.

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<v Speaker 3>This again, you know, if you don't find another way

0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 3>to go.

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I got this stamp on me I keep this thing ready.

0:51:58.400 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It's inked up right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Man, I don't mean to be you know me,

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I am naturally suspicious, and when I see people who

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>act smug, I start questioning them more so like antique stealers,

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.840
<v Speaker 2>these these rare books people, they immediately make the hairs

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 2>on my next stand up where I'm like mmmm, And

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I just want them to do that for their customers.

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And these people are coming up we go, I got

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:26.800
<v Speaker 2>some books I want to sell you or whatever. I

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>got this fake bnett or you know it's real monet,

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 2>yeah whatever. I want them to be as suspicious of

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 2>their customers and possible clients as I am of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think many are biblio dah, of course, exactly.

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's I find that attitude is less and

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>less common.

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.280
<v Speaker 3>That's very true in a lot of things.

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, just generally everybody's falling into the whole like what

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:47.879
<v Speaker 2>can I get for this? I'm like, doesn't anybody think

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 2>that something has a value outside of what can I

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:50.319
<v Speaker 2>get for this?

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're losing your whole culture, Elizabeth, thousands of years of

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 2>history and people are willing to just forsake it, and

0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even you should have me be the one

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to ending Western civilization. You got me to the boy

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 2>going what about Plato? Yeah we are lost?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what we need?

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>What I talked that? Yeah, Calmus down, he hit me, Daves,

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, super I love cheek.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm listening to your Big Boy episode and I

0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 7>had to stop when you said sigmoid flexure. Uh so,

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.920
<v Speaker 7>I have a degree in animal science, and a sigmoid

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 7>flexer refers to two different things. One is an S

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 7>shaped curve sigmoid flexure in the human colon right before

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 7>the rectum, or an S shaped curved in a bowl penis.

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 7>They have a fibro elastic penis instead of an erectile penis,

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.720
<v Speaker 7>so it has to fold up inside of them. You're welcome.

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>No, take it back. That got retractable bull penis in

0:53:59.040 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 2>my head.

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 3>I've heard it like sigmoid colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the folding. I know it was a fake name.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything would do with bullpeness. I didn't

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 2>see that is Spanish inquisition. Elizabeth Howe is a bullpen

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Spanish inquisition.

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