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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren Burnett.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Elizabeth Dutton, how are you? I'm doing all right?

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Speaker 2: Does my hair look good?

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Speaker 3: Looks amazing? It looks so good. Oh it's really nice.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, do I MRI scans? You know about

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Speaker 2: those them? Okay? Yeah, so they're magnetic resonance imagery. They

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Speaker 2: getting that two the magnets inside. You know, they're really

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Speaker 2: strong right there, two hundred times stronger than your average

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Speaker 2: magnets you have for that size. Now, Americans, you know

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Speaker 2: how they are, right? They love their guns. So this

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin woman she was getting into an MRI and they

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Speaker 2: asked her, oh, ma'am, do you have any metal you

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Speaker 2: in your pockets? Because it'll be a problem for the magnet.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I do not. Turns out she was lying

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Speaker 2: or wrong or forgot, who knows she had metal on

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Speaker 2: her pockets? Elizabeth, she had a gun.

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Speaker 3: She had a gun on her and oh yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know what happened.

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Speaker 2: The MRI machine It triggered the gun. The gun shot

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Speaker 2: her in that she got shot her own gun, and

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Speaker 2: they had the MR right there to watch it happens.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see the imagery of that a

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Speaker 2: gun shot recorded that. We found out about this because

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Speaker 2: a report got submitted to the FDA's Manufacturer and User

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Speaker 2: Facility Device Experience, a voluntary reporting site for accidents involving

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Speaker 2: medical devices. That's how we find out about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so she was fine, only a flesh loan. She had

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Speaker 2: plenty of butt for the bullet to hit. And no

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Speaker 2: one else was hurt either. So there you go, boom,

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Speaker 2: ridiculous bringing a gun into a hospital. I don't care what.

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Speaker 3: Happens to you.

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Speaker 2: And the question do you have any gun? Do you

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Speaker 2: have any metal on you? Nope, no, nope, it should disaswered.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a gun on you? You're an American?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a gun on you? That that counts?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean like your car keys.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is reading?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it came for here, for.

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Speaker 3: Dealing books and not even being from Modesto. What this

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's

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Speaker 3: heiss and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Right do you do you

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Speaker 3: remember the book thief from Modesto. Yes, and then the

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Speaker 3: biblio Dick.

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Speaker 2: The Bibliadic's my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know there are more thieves out there, book thieves.

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Speaker 3: These are their stories. Yes, dog, so Ed Maggs. He's

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Speaker 3: a fifth generation co owner of what was Queen Elizabeth's

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Speaker 3: favorite bookstore.

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Speaker 2: Wait, there's a bookstore named Ed owner named.

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Speaker 3: Ed maggsg Mags, and he owns Mags Brothers.

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Speaker 2: I love this. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He once told Vanity Fair that quote, the problem of

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Speaker 3: the connoisseur book thief is a real one.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a real one, real one, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: We're about to see that written largely. I got three

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Speaker 3: Biggins for you. I love the Let's start in jolly

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Speaker 3: old England. This one has some oceans, eleven qualities too,

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Speaker 3: and mission impossible.

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Speaker 2: You're talking.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Stuff's very cinematic. They're also Eastern Europeans.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, great modern cinematic crime villains. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about the Feltham book heist. What book I felt them

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Speaker 3: Feltham f E L T h A M. It's not Feltem,

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Speaker 3: Feltem Feltham whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's in West London.

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Speaker 5: Oh like felt Ham who felt this Ham, the Feltham

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. People the UK are just like like

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Speaker 3: they're having a physical response.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sorry about that. But we're Americans.

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Speaker 3: They're having like an anal squeeze over it. The Feltham

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Speaker 3: book heist in West London. So this is this place.

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Speaker 3: This is the home of Frontier Forwarding Warehouse and it's

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Speaker 3: in and out of Heathrow Airport. They had like custom

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Speaker 3: So February twenty seventeen, the California International Antiquarian Book Fair

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Speaker 3: was scheduled to take place in California, Oakland, California, at

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Speaker 3: the Oakland Marriott City Center right there at Broadway in Tenth, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And it was going to feature collections and like rear

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Speaker 3: treasures of nearly two hundred booksellers from over twenty different countries,

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Speaker 3: and it was recognized as one of the world's largest

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Speaker 2: Happened in our backyard. I don't even know about this.

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Speaker 3: I know in the run up to this book fair,

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Speaker 3: book dealers prepped to have their finest wares shipped to Oakland,

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Speaker 3: which like nowadays I think, and at the Frontier Forwarding

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Speaker 3: Warehouse in Feltham crates of books from three dealers. There's

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Speaker 3: two Italians and a German. They arrived on January twenty eighth,

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Speaker 3: and these rare valuable tomes. They were only going to

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Speaker 3: be there for like a little more than twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours and then off they would fly to the Golden State.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know about the Italians and Germans. They

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Speaker 3: They just came by air. So but crime interrupted these

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Speaker 3: plants and so January twenty ninth, twenty seventeen, a crew struck.

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Speaker 3: And when I say struck, they pulled off a heist

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Speaker 3: with mission impossible levels of precision. Yes, it started. A

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Speaker 3: car pulls up to the side of the road near

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Speaker 3: drives off. The men cut a hole in the fence

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Speaker 3: had of these guys on camera. And after that they're invisible,

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Speaker 2: Just out out camera.

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Speaker 3: A camera shots somehow they scale the sheer wall, the

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Speaker 3: blind spots. They scale the sheer wall of the warehouse.

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Speaker 3: There's like no little outcroppings on which to get a foothold, like,

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Speaker 2: Slither up the side cartoon suction cups.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And they get onto this steep roof that's on there,

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Speaker 3: and they pop open the skylight and then like the

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Speaker 3: warehouse is rigged up with state of the art security.

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Speaker 3: There's alarms, there's like you know, motion sensors, cameras. They

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Speaker 3: don't trigger a thing. Wow, nothing, no alarms, no cameras.

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Speaker 3: They used either ropes or like ladders to descend into

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Speaker 3: the warehouse, apparently very slowly, so they don't trigger anything.

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Speaker 3: And they made their way to these crates of books.

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Speaker 3: Now there's other valuable stuff in the warehouse, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, other stuff you don't steal and sell.

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Speaker 2: It's a bonded warehouse. It's a way.

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Speaker 3: Station for valuable goods. They ignored everything but the books,

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Speaker 3: well not everything. There was a shipment of large, heavy

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Speaker 3: canvas tote bags and they broke that open and took

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Speaker 3: the tote bags to haul out their loot.

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Speaker 2: I guess that it was listed on the outside of

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Speaker 3: They go through the books in like a really meticulous man.

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Speaker 3: It took five hours to pick out the ones they wanted.

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Speaker 2: I just thought that these books are getting stolen before

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Speaker 3: You know, don't want to blame us e eccastically, So

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Speaker 3: the stolen items included more than one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: rare books. Wow, here's some notable ones. Albert Einstein's own

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Speaker 3: sixteen to twenty one copy of Johannes Kepler's The Cosmic Mystery,

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Speaker 3: Natural Philosophy. A fourteen ninety seven update of the first

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Speaker 3: book written about women, concerning Famous Women. A fifteen sixty

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Speaker 3: nine version of Dante's Divine Comedy A Sheath that had

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Speaker 3: eighty Goya prints in it. A fifteen sixty six Latin

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Speaker 3: edition of On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres by Copernicus. Oh,

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Speaker 3: and then that one alone is where two hundred and

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Speaker 2: Dollars has to be.

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Speaker 3: All said, the missing books are valued at more than

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Speaker 3: three point four million dollars and they were worth a

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Speaker 3: lot more than that because a lot of them had

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Speaker 2: Them Einstein's top these are like adding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and most of the books could just irreplaceable. You

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Speaker 3: could not replace them. The next morning Scotland Yards called

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Speaker 3: something out of the movies. In the middle of the

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Speaker 3: had been lesser books kind of strewn on the floor,

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Speaker 3: skylights still open. So forensic teams they get to work

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Speaker 3: he almost fainted. I mean he freaks out. He rushes

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Speaker 3: to London. The German dealer couldn't believe what he was hearing.

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Speaker 3: He told Vanity Fair quote, I had never heard of

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Speaker 3: so many books being stolen at once. Insurance fraud, somebody

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Speaker 3: who wanted to harm one of us, a book lover

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Speaker 3: who wanted to have one item and threw away the

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Speaker 3: rest of the books cover his intentions. That was that's

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Speaker 3: a you know, convoluted way.

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Speaker 2: They left all this hemingway behind. What the hell.

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Speaker 3: All three of the dealers were worried that the theft

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Speaker 3: would just ruin them financially. These are the prize positions,

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Speaker 3: the guest items. Meanwhile, the heist crew kept moving and

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Speaker 2: To know, like, I mean, this is like an inside

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Speaker 2: inside job. I mean, this is a place in a warehouse.

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Speaker 2: You have to know they're going to the warehouse. You

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Speaker 2: have to know that these books are in there.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is like, so they get the books

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Speaker 2: Gone. Yeah wow.

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Speaker 3: And they weren't just moving the books out of the country.

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Speaker 3: They were striking again and again. Yeah, other warehouses were hit.

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Speaker 2: On the way. They're like, let's just hit a couple

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Speaker 2: of more jobs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's in one they stole a huge number of

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Speaker 3: Lenovo laptops and like put a pin in the in

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Speaker 3: the laptops will come back to that. So remember the

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Speaker 3: footage of the guys cutting into the fence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they were not seen again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, police were able to track down the car are

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Speaker 3: in the video. It was wiped clean, but a forensic

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Speaker 3: tech was able to find one single hair on the headrest.

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Speaker 3: It was logged. No matches pop up. Meanwhile, in Romania,

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Speaker 3: Elena Albu she's the chief prosecutor of organized crime in

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Speaker 2: A lot of work for her to Yes, she's a

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Speaker 2: busy lady. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks after the book how she gets

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Speaker 3: a call and the tipster tells her that the thieves

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Speaker 3: at the heist were Romanian and here they got names too, Elena,

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Speaker 3: check it out. Tea Zoo, Blondie and Christi the Bruiser.

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Speaker 2: I love Christi. So these are the people.

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Speaker 3: Basically, these are members She hadn't heard of some of these, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I bet not. They're members of Clumparu. And this is

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Speaker 3: an absolutely horrific gang like think coke and human trafficking,

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Speaker 3: run by an absolute monster named i Clumparu aka Pighead aka.

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Speaker 2: The Godfather pig Head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's just a big like sick next.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I get the idea. But your criminal nickname is Pighead. Yeah, like, oh.

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Speaker 3: MANI he's doing a thirty year stretch for his crimes.

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Speaker 3: But his protege, Gavrel popin Chiuk, he started his own

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Speaker 3: Well here's the thing though, what happened to the books?

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Speaker 2: The youngest, whole life of promise of book dealing lay

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Speaker 2: They read from the books.

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Speaker 3: Well in bizzello, he yells out, tonight we drink like lions.

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Speaker 3: So that that's we got a happy I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like it there not, I got my passport on me.

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Speaker 3: I like Italy, and that's where we're going for this

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like Yugoslavia, but it's not a country anymore.

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Speaker 3: My mom's favorite city in Italy is Naples. Really, she

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Speaker 3: So the Biblioteca giro Lamini in Naples. It's one of

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Speaker 2: All the best libraries are.

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Speaker 3: Oh, totally, and it looks like you'd imagine like this

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 3: You know how some people have zoom backgrounds with like

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Speaker 3: I have like a blaze.

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Speaker 2: I just like a blue, like a having a solid background.

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Speaker 3: Hey anyway. Biblioteca giro Lamini. It contains an extensive collection

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Speaker 2: They should.

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Speaker 3: They had a fifteen eighteen edition of Thomas Moore's Utopia

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Speaker 3: yea Galileo's sixteen ten treatise Siderus Nincius, containing more than

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Speaker 2: Give it up to my heretics.

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Speaker 3: Kepler's Study of the Motions of Mars Astrona Mia Nova.

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Speaker 3: It's supposed to be one of the greatest books in

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Speaker 2: It was the new astronomy at the time. Elizabeth, It's

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Speaker 3: But you know, in the eighties, the library fell into disrepair.

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Speaker 2: Yes to everyone.

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Speaker 3: I was like that museum in Brazil I told you

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Speaker 3: about with the dinosaurs. Oh what like, we don't take

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Speaker 2: We can't even blame Reagan for this one.

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Speaker 3: No, sadly, and so that that's what happened in Naples.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have the money to restore it or like

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Speaker 3: but academics could still act okay cool, and they still had,

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Speaker 3: you know, librarians working there. Zeren close your eyes.

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Speaker 2: Whoa okay closed?

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Speaker 3: I want you to picture it.

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Speaker 2: It's spring twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: You are an art history graduate student at Universita del

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Speaker 3: Sturdi de Napoli Fredridue. The university was founded in twelve

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Speaker 3: twenty four and is the world's oldest state funded university

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Speaker 3: in continuous operation. You have the great honor of studying

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Speaker 3: under famed art historian and academic Professor Tomaso Montenari. The

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Speaker 3: Florentine scholar is an expert in Baroque art, and he's

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Speaker 3: written more than one hundred scholarly essays on the topic.

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Speaker 3: The bespeckaled professor with a boyish haircut came to you

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Speaker 3: a couple of days ago with concerning news. He'd received

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Speaker 3: a call from a brother and sister who work at

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Speaker 3: the Biblioteca Girolamini. They'd seen unsettling footage on the library's CCTV.

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Speaker 3: They wanted Professore to take a look at the library

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Speaker 3: and see for himself what was happening there. They said

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Speaker 3: it was bad. You can't imagine what that means. Tamaso

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Speaker 3: asked you to go with him to the library, as

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Speaker 3: he wanted both a witness and some muscle. It's only

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Speaker 3: a ten minute walk or so from the university to

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Speaker 3: the library. As you walk down via Duomo, moped's whiz

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Speaker 3: by and diner's chat at cafe tables on the sidewalk,

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Speaker 3: you crossed via de Tribunali and share comments about Caravaggio's

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Speaker 3: The Seven Works of Mercy House. Just here left in

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Speaker 3: the Pio Monte de la Missicordia, you reached the Duomo

463
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Speaker 3: di Napoli and you know you've arrived. Just across from

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Speaker 3: the cathedral, filled with frescoes and candles and the stunning

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Speaker 3: Baroque high altar, is the library, a once equally impressive

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Speaker 3: building The library is shabby and has seen better days.

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Speaker 3: The professor presses a doorbell on the main front door.

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Speaker 3: As tourists and Vesco's speed by you. There's a buzz

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Speaker 3: and a door on locks. You push it open and

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Speaker 3: escape from the hot sun the din of the bright

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Speaker 3: street into the silent tomb.

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Speaker 2: Of the library entryway.

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Speaker 3: Your footsteps echo off the marble floors as you cross

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Speaker 3: through the main library room. It looks dusty, but none

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Speaker 3: worse for wear.

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Speaker 2: Bonjana.

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Speaker 3: The professor calls out silence. You proceed into the back

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Speaker 3: of the library, into the rare books area. The professor

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Speaker 3: lets how to gasp when you round a corner. The

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Speaker 3: bookshelves are empty. On tabletops and on the floor, books

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Speaker 3: and loose papers are piled into random jumbles. You walk

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Speaker 3: into the next bookroom, it's the same books everywhere the floor.

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Speaker 3: On stairs, you hear a weak and papers slide from

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Speaker 3: a crowded tabletop to the floor. A mouse scurries out

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Speaker 3: of the pile and ducks under a doorway. As you walk,

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Speaker 3: you stumble on potato chip bags and accidentally kick an

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Speaker 3: empty soda can across the room. You hear a tapping sound.

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Speaker 3: You and the professor turn you recognize that sound. It's

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Speaker 3: the sound of a dog's nails on a tile floor.

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Speaker 3: A scruffy pup sticks his head around the corner, a

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Speaker 3: bone in its mouth. You've got to be kidding me.

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Speaker 3: This is outrageous, the professor yells. The dog knows when

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Speaker 3: he's not welcome, so he trots off in the direction

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Speaker 3: of the back of the library. You hear quiet footsteps,

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Speaker 3: the soft souls of a librarian. A woman enters the room.

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Speaker 3: Come this way, she tells you. You and the professor

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Speaker 3: follow her down a hall to an alcove by.

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Speaker 2: A fire exit.

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Speaker 3: There are no CCTV cameras here.

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Speaker 2: She leans in and whispers.

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Speaker 3: Professor, the director has been looting the library. Well, who

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Speaker 3: is this director?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 3: Marino Massimo Dico Dacao is a self taught bibliophile. No

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Speaker 3: college degree. He studied law at the University of Siena,

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Speaker 3: but he dropped out before getting a degree. He moved

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Speaker 3: to Verona in nineteen ninety eight and he took a

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Speaker 3: job as a communications director at a government office.

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Speaker 5: Ah, the Ungentleman of run exactly, and then like around

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Speaker 5: this time, he meets this Argentine book dealer at a

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Speaker 5: bookfair in Milan, and so he gets that connection, and

512
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Speaker 5: then he starts going to Argentina on the regular and

513
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Speaker 5: he would like hang out with all the book collectors there.

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Speaker 3: Eventually he met Cardinal Jorge Mahia, who's from Argentina and

515
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Speaker 3: also happened to be the director of the Vatican Library.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it.

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Speaker 3: Takaro gets access through him to the Vatican Library's card catalog.

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Speaker 3: So he's just like this operator. In February of two

519
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Speaker 3: thousand and three, Tacaro gave the Vatican Library sixteen books

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Speaker 3: printed before fifteen oh one and three fifteenth century manuscripts

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Speaker 3: in total, all worth about a hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Why do they give them books?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, yeah, they're broke.

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Speaker 2: Like like they don't need Come on now whatever, All right,

525
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Speaker 2: get into Heaven. Okay, fine, man.

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Speaker 3: Well, in exchange, though, the Vatican gave him six books

527
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Speaker 3: valued it more than a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're just trading books.

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Speaker 3: They're trading books like baseball cards. Yeah, including three Galileo

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Speaker 3: titles that had been owned by relatives of Pope Urban

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Speaker 3: the Eighth.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Vatican was like, we got other copies of

534
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Speaker 3: the Galileo text, no big like.

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Speaker 2: We got us. We got a lot of his books.

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Speaker 2: We'll give you some, right, we confiscated a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And like the Pope's secretary totally.

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Speaker 2: Authorized the deal. Of course, what do they care it? Right?

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Speaker 3: So, however, there were people at the library who thought

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Speaker 3: it hanky. I'm with them, yes, so much so that

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Speaker 3: when they tried to broker a second deal, someone put

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Speaker 3: the brakes on it.

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Speaker 2: They're like, you need to stop this, Like, bro come on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So twenty ten DeCaro he's named an advisor on

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Speaker 3: energy issues to the Agriculture minister in the government of

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Speaker 3: mister Bunga Bunga party himself, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have to hear. I now know everything

548
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: I need to know about this guy, get it.

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Speaker 3: When that minister moved from agriculture to the Culture portfolio

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Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, Dakaro went with him, and from there

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Speaker 3: Jacaro starts lobbying to become the director of the library

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Speaker 3: in Naples, and then in that same year they give

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Speaker 3: him the gig. He's not qualified in any way other

554
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Speaker 3: than just being like, I really like books and I

555
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: know how to make deals with the Vatican Library.

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Speaker 2: I hate the lack of respect for how like things

557
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Speaker 2: like this it took a long time to create and

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00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: to mag and these long traditions were like, well the

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Speaker 2: hell once it worked? To you, Bob, we've turned everything

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Speaker 2: into a commodity and there is nothing that isn't like,

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Speaker 2: what will you give me for this?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? So he gets the gig and then not even

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Speaker 3: nine months later, it all starts to fall apart. Of course,

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Speaker 3: So after the professor visited the library, he wrote an

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Speaker 3: article about it in the paper, and then the cops

566
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Speaker 3: launched an investigation.

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Speaker 2: What kind of article do you have to write? The

568
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Speaker 2: cops like, well, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Liter was like there was a dog with a bone

570
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Speaker 3: in its mouth walking around the library and soda cans

571
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Speaker 3: on the floor, like that's in there. So it turns

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00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: out that like Tacaro got in and basically started looting

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Speaker 3: the place, that sounds like, And eventually he's arrested. Major

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Speaker 3: Antonio Coppola, the police chief in charge of the operation

575
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Speaker 3: to like get all the books back. Copola, yeah, said quote.

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Speaker 3: Our investigations found that there was a true criminal system

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Speaker 3: in action. A group of people carried out a devastating

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Speaker 3: systematic looting of the library. What strikes you was the

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Speaker 3: complete lack of respect for these precious works. Many of

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Speaker 3: them were thrown on the floor, chaos, rained shelves in

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Speaker 3: which very important books, once rested, were now totally emptied.

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Speaker 2: So another Coppola understands the respect. We need to pay

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Speaker 2: a call exactly, So they all understand exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In all, it's estimated that Tacarro lifted about four thousand

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Speaker 3: books from the library Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: In nine months?

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Speaker 3: And it went like this, So at night he would

588
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Speaker 3: turn off the library CCTV system, which was like limited anyway.

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Speaker 3: And in one case there's well there's footage of him

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Speaker 3: taking something and realizing the cameras there and then covering

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Speaker 3: it up and then like so he and some associates

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00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: they would just totally I forgot that one. They would

593
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: just take books right off the shelf, like he had

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Speaker 3: these little you know, minion.

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Speaker 4: One.

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ones that are of particular value they put

597
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: into boxes and they loaded those into vans outside. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes they would just make piles next to the stacks

599
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: as they scan through the books of real value. So

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Speaker 3: they're like toss, keep toss, keep.

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Speaker 2: I hate to know what they can do it. I

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Speaker 2: guess it's just all monetary value.

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00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely. So he had a bookbinder who worked for him,

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Speaker 3: and that guy's job was to remove the library stamps

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: from the books, and in some cases they just ripped

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Speaker 3: them out and like seriously damaged the books in doing so.

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Speaker 3: Coppola said, sometimes they would even remove the binding of

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Speaker 3: the book. Ah, he said, quote they wanted to make

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00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: it impossible to trace them back. But some of the

610
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: books had binding from the seventeenth century, which in some

611
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: cases made the binding more valuable than the book.

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Speaker 2: Wow, come on, guys.

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Speaker 3: And so the books they made their way all over Europe,

614
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: South America, Asia, they ended up with antique sellers, collectors,

615
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: auction houses, suspects. Yeah, five hundred books went to a

616
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Speaker 3: German auction house who paid a million euro advance on

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Speaker 3: the lot. Yeah this, Coppola said, quote, this was only

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Speaker 3: one load of the books. So you could imagine how

619
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Speaker 3: much money they could have made from this looting if

620
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Speaker 3: we and the courts hadn't stopped it. Yeah. He said

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Speaker 3: that DeCaro was like a well known figure in all

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Speaker 3: these these bookselling circles, and that quote he had some

623
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Speaker 3: kind of political cover that enabled him, over the years

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Speaker 3: to reach positions of responsibility and institutions more or less

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Speaker 3: controlled by the Ministry for Culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine him in like the mask on parties

627
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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Totally, so they're like, you know, he says, yeah, I

629
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Speaker 3: took him, but I did it because I was trying

630
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: to raise money for the library and then the kids

631
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Speaker 3: the library.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you know, like, if.

633
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: That's true, why are you removing all the markings and

634
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: doing it not under cover of darkness and trash and.

635
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Speaker 2: The joint people come up in lives like that, like, look,

636
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to save it by destroying destroying. I'm not

637
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: good at that.

638
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: Come on. He wasn't the only one to go down

639
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: for this, thank god. Well, the same prosecutors who go

640
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: after the mafia in Naples, Yes, guys, they went after

641
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: the book gang and the same investigation tactics. So Naples prosecutors,

642
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: they focused on rare book dealers and collectors who may

643
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: have bought the works.

644
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: They created the network, they found it.

645
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they totally just dismantled the whole thing. The New

646
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: York Times reported at the time, quote, they are slowly

647
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: exposing the practices of the rare book market, where deception

648
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: sometimes rains, prices can reach into the millions of dollars,

649
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: and the trail often goes dead at the Swiss border.

650
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: The international market absorbed without batting an eye books that

651
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: they could not have known came from the Geralamini library.

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00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: Giovanni Mililo, the Naples prosecutor who's leading the investigations, said

653
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: in an interview this week the rule don't ask, don't

654
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: tell is what governs the rare book market. He added,

655
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: prosecutors have requested cooperation from across Europe, as well as

656
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: from the United States and Argentina.

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like the rare book market is basically the

658
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: art world with less cocaine and more dust.

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00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's the bookish modern art world totally.

660
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: One guy arrested was a priest responsible for security at

661
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: the library. Like they no one was spared. Then there

662
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: was Marcello Delutri. He was a senator and a member

663
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: of Silvio Berlusconi's People of Freedom party party. He was

664
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: a close aid of Captain Bunga Bunga and was known

665
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: to have mob ties, and it was said that he

666
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: received about ten of the stolen books for his personal collection.

667
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Of course. Quote, Bosters love that kind of stingy.

668
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: This is what his lawyer told BBC. Quote, he received

669
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: some books as a free gift. As soon as he

670
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: realized from newspaper reports that they probably came from the

671
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: Jerlimini library, he contacted the authorities and gave him back.

672
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, since he realized there may be trouble, He's like, oh,

673
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: I guess I can't keep these.

674
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: But he didn't return a fifteen eighteen edition of Thomas

675
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: Moore's Utopia. Really, and this is what his lawyer said,

676
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: quote regarding the other book, we're speaking about a book

677
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: of very little value, and he simply can't fight it

678
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: at the moment. As soon as he does, he'll give

679
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: that back as well.

680
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I just love murdered parishioners.

681
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: So in court proceedings, Diccado testified that he had a

682
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: bunch of copies of Galileo's Sidarius Nuccius forged in Argentina.

683
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: Forged copies now and the world too.

684
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was like, I'm a really good forger,

685
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: including one that he placed in the National Library in Naples.

686
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: When he took the original, he just put his little yeah.

687
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: He topped it.

688
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: According to The New York Times, quote asked outside the

689
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: courtroom in Naples, how you go about forging a book

690
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: by Galileo let alone, one that was sold at auction

691
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: and fooled some of the world's leading experts, mister DeCaro

692
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: smiled with excitement. Borhes Inficxioones wrote that when a book

693
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: is false, it is equal to, if not better than,

694
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: the original. He said. Then one of his lawyers quickly

695
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: approached and said the conversation was over.

696
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: He's quoting Borhees.

697
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: He quotes Borhes, I love that that. I hate him.

698
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 4: Now right.

699
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: He gets sentenced to seven years imprisonment but house arrest,

700
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: and then he also had a lifetime exclusion from public office.

701
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: And the good news is that eighteen months after the

702
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: looting was discovered, police believed that they had managed to

703
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: track down most of the books. Copola said, quote, we

704
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: think a high percentage, up to eighty percent, has been recovered.

705
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: And then in twenty twelve, the authorities recovered more than

706
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: a thousand volume in a self storage unit in Verona

707
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: that Dacaro had. So he just put it into self storage.

708
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: Like lost track, and didn't pay his bill and He's like, Oh,

709
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: I forgot which one is that in, and all of

710
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: a sudden someone buys all these books like four thousand

711
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: euro or whatever.

712
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: So Copel I will go back to him. Quote. This

713
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: is thanks to investigative activities shadowing and wiretapping, for example,

714
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: that has enabled us to identify movements in places where

715
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: books were being kept warehouses, underground parking places, houses. We've

716
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: had important collaboration with associations of antique booksellers. We've warned

717
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: them to keep an eye open for books that they

718
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: might have even the slightest suspicion could be coming from

719
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: the library. And he said that, like people all over

720
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: the world have contacted him about books. Quote, my personal

721
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: email address is spread around the world among those in

722
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: this sector, and I'm often reached by people that have

723
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: doubts about a book.

724
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh who's a player, right, you can find my email everywhere.

725
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: So he's thinking that, like, you know, when all the

726
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 3: attention dies down, that like maybe more of the books

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 3: will reach Twelve years later, library remains closed. No, let's

728
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: take a break. When we come back. I've got a

729
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: state side book heist.

730
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 6: For you, and I got a book you may want

731
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 6: to buy.

732
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: Zaren, Elizabeth Zaren, I got books.

733
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: I got books for you too.

734
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I told you about books in a warehouse. I

735
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: told you about books in an old, poorly guarded library.

736
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: Are there any places where books are safe submarines? Yes,

737
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: the safest rare book collections. They use what's known as

738
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 3: a defense in depth, So like a series of small

739
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: overlapping measures that like, you know, you have to get

740
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: through too many chambers or too many layers of security.

741
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: Timed locks, and then into vaults that box sign out. Yeah.

742
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: So an example of this is the Oliver Room, which

743
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: is home to the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh's rare books

744
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: and archives. So there's a single point of entry and

745
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: only a few people have keys to it, and all

746
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: guests they got to sign in. You have to leave

747
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: personal items like your bag or your coat.

748
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: You know, people have to turn different keys at the

749
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: same time.

750
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's extensive CCTV. Why am I telling you?

751
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: Why are you telling me this, Elizabeth?

752
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: Oh, surely the books there are safe.

753
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: Don't call me, Shirley.

754
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, the library's administration discovered something shocking.

755
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: What did they discover?

756
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: A bunch of stuff was gone.

757
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: Those would be like electric outlet.

758
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: No, like a like a lot of stuff is gone?

759
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: How much we're talking.

760
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: Eight million dollars worth of real It's like, what are

761
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: we talking about? You want me to give you a little.

762
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: Inventory a whole building? What the hell?

763
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: A book signed by Thomas Jefferson. The oldest book in

764
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: the collection was gone. It was a collection of sermons

765
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: printed in fourteen seventy three. There was a first edition

766
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: of Isaac Newton's ninety eight, A first edition of the

767
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, a letter written by WILLIAMS.

768
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 3: Jennings Bryant, Oh across the Gold, Yeah, A rare copy

769
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: of Elizabeth Katie Stanton's memoir eighteen eight Memoir, A first

770
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: edition of a book written by John Adams, the first

771
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: English edition of Boccaccio's De Cameron.

772
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: Oh I have that book? Yeah?

773
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: Well, this one was printed in London in sixteen twenty.

774
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: You got that mine from eighteen hundred.

775
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: I thought maybe you had this one. No, no, no,

776
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: the first edition of George Elliott Silas Marner. Missing were

777
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and eight of the one hundred and fifty

778
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: five hand colored lithographs from Audubon's eighteen fifty one Quadrupeds

779
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: of North America.

780
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Damn Audubon's book. Dude, you know the paintings and everything.

781
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: Fifty one plates and maps from John Ogilbee's America, one

782
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 3: of the greatest illustrated works about the New World, sixteen

783
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: seventy one. All of the maps from a copy of

784
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: Ptolemy's Legiographia printed in fifteen forty eight. Whoa, yeah, Ptolemy's maps. Yeah,

785
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: all two hundred and seventy six hand colored lithograph maps

786
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: in the sixteen forty four Blau Atlas that mapped the

787
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: known world in the age of European exploration. Oh, fifteen

788
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: hundred rare photogravure plate prints of Native Americans by Edward Curtis.

789
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, And only two hundred and seventy two

790
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: sets were created, And in twenty twelve Christie sold one

791
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: of those sets for two point eight million.

792
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: I think I remember hearing about that, and so one

793
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: of those is gone totally.

794
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: And so while the London heist I told you about

795
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: like that took just a few hours, and the Naples

796
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: looting went on for about nine months, this was a

797
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: slow moo heist.

798
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: It went on for almost a quarter of a century.

799
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. You first said slow,

800
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: like they just did it and they like.

801
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: To not set off motions exactly totally. So who was

802
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: in charge there? You must be asking.

803
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: Elizabeth who was in charge of this Carnegie Mellon one room.

804
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 3: Library fellow by the name of Greg Priori, not Greg Prior,

805
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: Greg greg Priory a Priori. In nineteen ninety one, the

806
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: library decided to establish like a true archive of its collection,

807
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, ninety one. So Greg, he had an

808
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: MA in European history and he was working in the

809
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: library's Pennsylvania room while he was getting a library science

810
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: degree at University of Pittsburgh, and he had like that

811
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: was with an emphasis on archives management. So he's like

812
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: the perfect choice for this. Yeah, and he's a chill

813
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: guy's local boy made good. He's like doing his dream job,

814
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: dream location and running a tight ship. Like his desk

815
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: was right where people signed in and out of the

816
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: archive and he would personally assess each item that was

817
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: removed and returned. It was just a hard ass. Like

818
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: when he set up the archive, he worked with a

819
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: preservation specialist to assess the Carnegie Librariy's collection.

820
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: A plenty of white gloves good, oh for days.

821
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: Then he hired two rare book experts who found that

822
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: the library hadn't really done much to preserve its oldest books.

823
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's harder to find rare books experts.

824
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are really hard to find. So they created

825
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: a climate controlled environment like that followed all the best

826
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: practices at the time. It became a prime example of

827
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: a spectacular rare book archive. Zaren. It was highlighted on

828
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: c SPAN. You know it's book TV.

829
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I watched books.

830
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: I know you do watch book TV. So, as with

831
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: any kind of collection, there came time for an audit,

832
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: and in the fall of twenty sixteen, library officials hired

833
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: the Paul mal Art advisors.

834
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Like the cigarette company, Yeah, to.

835
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: Undertake They come in, all smoking cigarettes.

836
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: Come on, you guys are not addiction on stuff? Whoa, whoa, ladies.

837
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: So Carrie Lee, Jeffrey and Christianiskavuzo they come in. They

838
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: began their audit on April third, twenty seventeen, and they

839
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: were using this is in twenty seventeen. They're using the

840
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one inventory as their guide. Oh wow, so

841
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: when it was first established and they immediately.

842
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: Found problems like yeah.

843
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: According to Smithsonian Magazine quote, Jeffrey was looking for Thomas

844
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: McKinney and James Hall's History of the Indian Tribes of

845
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: North America. This landmark work included one hundred and twenty

846
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: hand drawn lithographs, the result of a project that began

847
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: in eighteen twenty one with McKinney's attempt to document in

848
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: full color the dress and spiritual practices of Native Americans

849
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: who had visited Washington, d c. To arrange treaties with

850
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: the government. The three volume set of folios, produced between

851
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: eighteen thirty six and eighteen forty four, is large and

852
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: gorgeous and would be a highlight in collection. But the

853
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: Carnegie Libraries version had been hidden on a top shelf

854
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: at the end of a row. When Jeffrey discovered why,

855
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: her stomach dropped once a plump book filled with plates,

856
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: she would recall the sides had carved in on themselves.

857
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: All those stunning illustrations had been cut from the binding.

858
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh God, so just just cut it all out.

859
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: The book predates Andrew Jackson's Like Indian Removal Act stuff.

860
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: We're talking like American history.

861
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: You can't.

862
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: It's just like pure documentation.

863
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: Goes in there with like an exact knife and just

864
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: like I can get seventy bucks for this.

865
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: Domino's falling after that, like things missing, pieces or items,

866
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: every everything's missing. And then she she sees it and

867
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: it's like the world is spinning out from underneath her.

868
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, her stomach shopping cried.

869
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: Like she wonder officers just started crying when she learned

870
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: the extent of the thievery and the damage.

871
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: Some people get upset when they see, like animals hurt.

872
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure she've had that.

873
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: Visceral reach exactly exactly. So five days after the start

874
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: of the audit, five days Jeffrey and Skuvuzzo they met

875
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 3: with the library's director, Mary Francis Cooper, and then two

876
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: other administrators, and they detailed their findings up until that point.

877
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: Four days later, Cooper has the lock to the Oliver

878
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: room changed and they didn't give Greg Priori a key.

879
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: They kind of figured, you know, this all went down

880
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: on his.

881
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: Watch, and he's the only one with the watching everything.

882
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 3: And it's also because he was the one taking everything.

883
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: And the thing is he wasn't living large off the

884
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: sales of these books and prints. You know, he was married,

885
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: he had four kids. They lived in like a you know,

886
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: little apartment, but he was like running up debt. His

887
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: kids all went to posh.

888
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: Private schools, so the books are paying for that pretty much.

889
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: And between his place and work there was there was

890
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: a bookstore, Caliban Bookshop, and the owner, John Shulman, he

891
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 3: started his business in like the eighties and he worked

892
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: out of his apartment and then he opened Caliban Bookshops.

893
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: He was he was a member of the Antiquarian Booksellers

894
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: Association of America RIAA. That's the this should all be

895
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: an affront to Biblio Dicks. That was Biblio Dick's group exactly.

896
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: So this dude he even served. Shulman he was on

897
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: the board of governors for the mid Atlantic Chapter of

898
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: He served as an appraiser for the University of Pittsburgh,

899
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: Carnegie Mellon University, and Penn State. And he was even

900
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: on PBS Antiques road Show.

901
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: I don't trust those people. We've talked about it, it's

902
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: happened before. I just don't trust him. Just generally. I'm like,

903
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: you want to be on TV too much. I don't

904
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: trust ANTIQ people shouldn't want to be on TV like this. No,

905
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: he should be private.

906
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: So Priori he would bring the books that he stole

907
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: to Shulman. Shulman would inspect the item and then he

908
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: would list it for sale on his website. And here's

909
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: the thing though, remember how it enables their partners, their

910
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: total partners. The guy in Naples hired the bookbinder to

911
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: remove any marks or stamps from the books.

912
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: They didn't do this.

913
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: All of the items in the library had this special

914
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: book plate inside the front cover.

915
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: No problem.

916
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: Shulman had a small red stamp in his store that

917
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: read withdrawn from library. And when he had something from

918
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: the Oliver collection, he'd used the stamp to mark the

919
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: bottom of the book plate and apparently that was enough

920
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: to override the book plate. Like the library got rid

921
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: of this one.

922
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see, it wouldn't question it.

923
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: So Priori he had sort of seen the audit coming.

924
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: He knew and he was a little nervous about it.

925
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: And his coworkers thought that he was acting that way

926
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: because he's just very territorial. But like they didn't know

927
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: that he had liquidated most of the stuff in there.

928
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: And like now the walls are closing in, and so

929
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: Priori and Shulman had they came up with a bunch

930
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: of explanations as to why stuff was gone, Like they

931
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: just workshopped ideas. So they doctored paperwork saying that some

932
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: of it was out for repair or like loaned to

933
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: another institution. And then they're like, oh, maybe we could

934
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: blame the former director of the library.

935
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: He's dead.

936
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: Let's just blame him.

937
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: Let's blame the dead guy.

938
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like, oh, let's just blame the staff, like

939
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: you know whatever, Oh no, even better.

940
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: Maintenance workers them like that.

941
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 7: Yeah.

942
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: So this was in no way a one off though, right,

943
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh there's just one big thing missing

944
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: or like five items suddenly gone.

945
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: You're going for so long, and all.

946
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: Signs point to Priori, and so first he gets fired obviously.

947
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: Then the cops raided his house, and they raided the

948
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: bookstore and the warehouse for the bookstore, and at the warehouse,

949
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: the auditors rode along with the cops, and they were

950
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: able to identify ninety one of the Edward Curtis Prince

951
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: and seven maps from that atlas, and then plus they

952
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: found the withdrawn from library stamp just sitting right there,

953
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: and then upon questioning, Priori cracked. Of course, he pleaded

954
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 3: guilty to theft and receiving stolen property the partner. Yeah,

955
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: well yeah, he gets sentenced to three years of house

956
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: arrest and twelve years probation.

957
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: And people were mad.

958
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: They didn't think that was enough.

959
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.

960
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: Shulman pleaded guilty to receiving stolen property, theft by deception

961
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: and forgery, and he got four years of house arrest

962
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: and twelve years of probation. But he also had to

963
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: pay fifty five grand in restitution. That's not a lot.

964
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: And so like these days, people lived so well in

965
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: their homes, right, you got everything, Oh totally, Look, we

966
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: just survived a couple of years a half exactly. And

967
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: so like those who'd bought the books, they had to

968
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: surrender them, either at their own volition or the order

969
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: of the police. Bill Clasby is he's a head of

970
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: special collections for Case Western Reserve University's main library. Okay,

971
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: August of twenty eighteen, he gets called by someone from

972
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: the DA's office in the Alleghany County, Pennsylvania, asking about

973
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: a book of early modern astronomy that he bought from

974
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: Caliban Books and like right there on the book plate

975
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: was the telltale red stamp, so clasp he sent the

976
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: book back. Another guy, Michael Kaisel, private collector, he bought

977
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: a book from a rare book dealer in England and

978
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: the same detective reaches out to him and let him

979
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: know that Shulman had sold the stolen book to the

980
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: English dealer, which meant his book was hot and he

981
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 3: had to return it. So he did, and the detective

982
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: he just continues to reach out to the duped and

983
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: they all sent.

984
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: Everything back, good for them.

985
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's some debate about Shulman's involvement in all

986
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: of this.

987
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't have.

988
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: Any yeah, something that he was unaware that the books

989
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: were stolen, and others think that there's no way that

990
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: he was that naive.

991
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, come on, he's got the stamp to

992
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: be like falsifying things, and even he's being told by somebody,

993
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: then he's just really dumb.

994
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Smithsonian Magazine pointed out, quote the Ethics Code

995
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: of the Antiquarian Booksellers Association of America states that members

996
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: quote shall make all reasonable efforts to ascertain that materials

997
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: offered to him or her are the property that sellers

998
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: and members shall make every effort to prevent the theft

999
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: or distribution of stolen antiquarian books and related materials. Shulman

1000
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: was not only a member of the ABAA, he had

1001
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: served on its Ethics and Standards Committee.

1002
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, we all know this. Your

1003
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: whole job is to be suspicious. Yeah, that's it.

1004
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be suspicious exactly.

1005
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: You're selling an item we all know is going to

1006
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: be likely either stolen or like possibly hinky right.

1007
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: And Patrick Dowd, board chair of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh,

1008
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: said the thefts quote will forever raise doubts about the

1009
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: security of all future charitable donations, particularly to the Carnegie Library.

1010
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: The damage wrought by John Shulman and Greg Priori is unfathomable.

1011
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: The true depths of their betrayal of trust, their vandalism,

1012
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: destruction of public property, and theft from our community is unquantifiable.

1013
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: People don't value trust enough once it's gone, right.

1014
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Priori, he was eager to throw Shulman under the bus.

1015
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: According to the New York Times quote, mister Priori told

1016
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 3: the authorities that he had stolen the items for money

1017
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: to stay afloat and help pay tuition for his four children.

1018
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: I should have never done this, he said. I loved

1019
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: that room my whole working life, and greed came over me.

1020
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: I did it, he said, but Shulman spurred me on.

1021
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: It's okay. That was gonna be my question to you, Elizabeth.

1022
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: You've read about these guys, do you think? Shulman said, Hey, man,

1023
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: you work at the book store. You know, can you

1024
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: ever get me something? The guy came in and said, hey, Shulman,

1025
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: I got some stuff, like is it a Priori telling

1026
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: Shulman I got the idea?

1027
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: Because I'm thinking that, like, I don't know, it's sort

1028
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: of this chicken egg.

1029
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: I think it was Shulman. I think the guy who

1030
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: sells is gonna be the one who comes up with

1031
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 2: the idea I can sell some books at the post

1032
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: of the guy who's like, hey, will you be my fence,

1033
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: because that's a harder question to ask.

1034
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: Or maybe there was one that like was legitimately removed

1035
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: from the I.

1036
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: Figure I started telling me about he goes and I

1037
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: could do.

1038
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: This again, you know, if you don't find another way

1039
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: to go.

1040
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: I got this stamp on me I keep this thing ready.

1041
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: It's inked up right now.

1042
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1043
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't mean to be you know me,

1044
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: I am naturally suspicious, and when I see people who

1045
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: act smug, I start questioning them more so like antique stealers,

1046
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: these these rare books people, they immediately make the hairs

1047
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: on my next stand up where I'm like mmmm, And

1048
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: I just want them to do that for their customers.

1049
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: And these people are coming up we go, I got

1050
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: some books I want to sell you or whatever. I

1051
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: got this fake bnett or you know it's real monet,

1052
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: yeah whatever. I want them to be as suspicious of

1053
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: their customers and possible clients as I am of them.

1054
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think many are biblio dah, of course, exactly.

1055
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's I find that attitude is less and

1056
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: less common.

1057
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: That's very true in a lot of things.

1058
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: Yes, just generally everybody's falling into the whole like what

1059
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: can I get for this? I'm like, doesn't anybody think

1060
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: that something has a value outside of what can I

1061
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: get for this?

1062
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly.

1063
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: We're losing your whole culture, Elizabeth, thousands of years of

1064
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: history and people are willing to just forsake it, and

1065
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm not even you should have me be the one

1066
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: to ending Western civilization. You got me to the boy

1067
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: going what about Plato? Yeah we are lost?

1068
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: You know what we need?

1069
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: What I talked that? Yeah, Calmus down, he hit me, Daves,

1070
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, super I love cheek.

1071
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 7: So I'm listening to your Big Boy episode and I

1072
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 7: had to stop when you said sigmoid flexure. Uh so,

1073
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 7: I have a degree in animal science, and a sigmoid

1074
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 7: flexer refers to two different things. One is an S

1075
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 7: shaped curve sigmoid flexure in the human colon right before

1076
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 7: the rectum, or an S shaped curved in a bowl penis.

1077
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 7: They have a fibro elastic penis instead of an erectile penis,

1078
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 7: so it has to fold up inside of them. You're welcome.

1079
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: No, take it back. That got retractable bull penis in

1080
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: my head.

1081
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: I've heard it like sigmoid colonoscopy.

1082
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the folding. I know it was a fake name.

1083
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything would do with bullpeness. I didn't

1084
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: see that is Spanish inquisition. Elizabeth Howe is a bullpen

1085
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: It's like the Spanish inquisition.

1086
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: That's all that's all we have for today. You can

1087
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: find us online at ridiculous crime dot com. We're also

1088
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: on social media. Email us at ridiculous Crime at gmail

1089
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,000
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1090
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Speaker 3: back on the iHeart app reach out. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 3: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette, produced and edited

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Speaker 3: by Biblio Dick, Biblio Dix, Dave Cousten, starring Emilis Rutger

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Speaker 3: as Judas. Research is by book plate specialist MRSA. Brown

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Speaker 3: and Rubber Stamp enthusiast Andrea Song Sharpen Tear. The theme

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Speaker 3: song is by Warehouse, Third Shift Security Thomas Lee and

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Speaker 3: Italian Library Dog Travis Dutton. Post wardrobe is provided by

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Speaker 3: Botany five hundred guests, hair and makeup by Sparkleshot and

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Speaker 3: mister Andre. Executive producers are lifetime members of the A BAA,

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Speaker 3: Ben Bowen and Noah Brown.

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Speaker 2: You hear the interns of there.

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Speaker 4: Shdus Crime say it one more times.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Four more podcasts

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.