WEBVTT - Lowdown w/ Michael Beach 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.560 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.440 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.840 These are our stories. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:31.080 Done Done, Hi, and welcome to That's Messed Up and 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.240 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:33.919 I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.760 And I'm Lisa Trigger, coming at you fast and slow 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:44.280 on an end loose. We're an SVU podcast, a crime podcast, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.800 a celebrity interview podcast. Are really multifaceted girls living in 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:55.120 a multifaceted world. Brat summer, Kamala Harris running for president. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.400 Oh my god, the Home of the Air, Hope in 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.520 the air. So that's that's how I feel. It's the summer. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.960 Lisa and I are way into the time machine because 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.039 you know, we take a little break in August, so 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.720 this is like coming out not necessarily on time. So 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.560 if something catastrophic happens in the next couple of weeks 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.600 that we haven't touched. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.160 On, we're a little bit in the time machine. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.640 But I wanted to say, I don't know how much 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.840 you believe in this, But I haven't talked to my 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.520 friend Aaron. She's a bit of a political pundit, she's 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:30.319 in the crooked media universe. She has been following a 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.600 lot of psychics on Reddit, like what they're saying, and 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.959 a lot of psychics apparently are saying stuff like before 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.480 Biden dropped out, a lot of them were saying, we 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.760 don't see the election happening, like we just can't see it. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.759 We like don't see it happening. And then they were 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.360 saying a lot of them were saying, I don't see 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.080 either of them winning, which is like a good omen 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.640 if you believe in that stuff, that maybe it's Kamala, right, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.280 because Biden's not gonna win, It's gonna be Kamala. So 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.600 then a lot of them are saying, and she's been 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.680 sending me screenshots because I'm happy to entertain this as 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.440 like a fun convo piece, but not something that we 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.519 should actually base anything on realistically, that a lot of 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.680 them are seeing that one of the candidates is going 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.800 to have a health event that would make them essentially 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.359 not even able to be like running in the end, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.480 like they'll be on the ballot or whatever, but they 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:26.359 won't like And so. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.160 I was like, ooh, what does that mean? Yeah, I'm excited, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.079 I mean, yeah, I just got giddy on the inside. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.200 It's never good when you're just like hoping someone to die. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.320 But I mean, I don't know if it's like a 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:39.360 death or like a. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.760 Heart attack or like a Tenacious D moment, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.280 we have to stay in line. Yeah. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.480 Well but yeah, So that's what the psychics are buzzing 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.120 about on Reddit. So if people are into that, I 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.080 just wanted to let you know that's what they're talking about. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.480 That's what I'm getting from my friend. She's also like 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.200 on materni leave, so I think she's deep down into. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.520 Uh she had another kid. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.480 Oh yes, yeah, so she's she's deep down into some 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.640 Reddit holes. But yeah, do you want to tell about 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.640 the lift driver or something that you were gonna say? 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:14.400 Oh my god. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:14.679 Yeah. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.600 So I had a really long live Listen. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.360 I'm a working actress, guys, that's just the reality of 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:24.360 my life. I didn't and so I've been doing like 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.000 night shoots, which I've never done, which is exciting. But 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.839 I didn't get back to my hotel till like six 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.639 thirty in the morning or seven, and then I was like, great, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.560 I'll charge my phone, I'll smoke some weed, I'll back 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.920 and then I'll get the car back into the city 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.280 and it's a two hour drive and he was just 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:47.080 so annoying and it's like read the room. But then 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.040 I was like, whatever, I'm grateful that even took this ride, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.520 you know, back all the way back. So I'm like, right, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.800 and if he really is this desperate to chat, I 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.280 gotta at least give him something. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.560 But I wasn't engaged at he just was so annoying 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.880 to me. Yeah, what was hell? 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.000 So he was just telling stories about things and like, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.480 oh that this bridge is made out of this steel 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.440 and these motor and I would go nice and I 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.520 would tell a story and I'd go that's good. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:14.160 Cool. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.359 I glad that worked out. Like I wasn't ignoring. I 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.960 had my headphones in. It's like, dude, play your classic 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.640 rock and drive. But then I'm like, I am asking 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.280 this person to drive two hours like but it was 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.000 just like, shut the fuck up. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:30.359 Yeah, no, I hear you. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.560 It's Saturday morning at seven am. Like, what isn't there 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.720 like a no talking function that you can flip on that. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.560 I thought there's like a thing that's like. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.280 It on the I would love no, I know, but 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.680 like in middle future, I think there's like a thing 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.320 that's like you prefer silence or something like that. I 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:48.800 don't even know if I have it checked for myself, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.000 but it is what I. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.080 I'm also not trying to get murdered, you know, so 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.200 you're not going to be a bitch either. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.880 And we have also famously, you and i'd been in 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.440 the car with a guy who was falling asleep at 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.400 the wheels. So maybe that's how this guy doesn't but 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.320 the wheels since it's like seven in the morning or 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:03.600 six in the morning. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:04.680 Maybe, like I don't know. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.720 Yeah, he was just like, yeah, I used to I 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.719 did a drive once to atlant Like he wanted to 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.960 tell me about like he was talking about the city, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.920 like yeah, you know on this street, in this street, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.440 this pizza place, I've been there. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.720 And I'm like, okay, I don't know what you want. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.560 Like some people drive for apps because they have to 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.160 work alone. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.640 Now yeah, and he goes, yeah, I used to drive. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.760 And then they started wanting me to, you know, move 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.200 kilos of coke and it's not worth it, and I go, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.479 it's not, it's really not. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.760 You got me what? Okay, Now we're getting interesting. Who 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.200 wanted him to move kilos of. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.960 Coke a car service that he worked for, and he 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.400 told me about his private clients, and it's just like, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.560 I don't believe you're in the mob. He seemed like 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.040 someone with the scarface poster that wanted me this is it. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.040 He wanted me to believe that he was just like 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.400 a hot shot in the driving business and like no 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:00.279 is a made man or something like that. I was 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.960 just like, sir, I just can't deal with this. I 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.240 just my eyes are shutting. I'm struggling for my life. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.440 Like but you know, I was as kind as I 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.480 could be. I offered to buy him stuff because I 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.680 got anti EN's pretzels. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:16.880 Nice. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.800 Well that's good. That's a nice thing that you did. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:20.960 The offer. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.560 Not ignot oh, I did offer, he said no. I 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.200 was like, I will buy you a mountain dew if 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.880 you want, or like whatever you need. The thing is 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.640 everyone's mad at jd Vance about the mountain diet mountain dew, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.760 and I'm like, that's I do love diet mountain dew. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.240 Like yeah, it was just a dorky joke. Like it 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.120 wasn't like I didn't even get the joke. I didn't 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.520 even get that. No, exactly, it's so bad. And then 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.320 he stops and like waits for laughter. It's like very 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.800 it's giving Jeb Bush like it's very bad, Like he 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.440 is not good, he is not helping them. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.240 He's not that's really great and he is a fool 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.480 and he's not that poor, Like shut up. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.240 It's just like I don't know. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.160 I just hate if kat ladies were miserable, let them 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.560 be miserable. If the life of a if the life 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.640 you want to force women to do was the better choice, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.320 Like why wouldn't they be doing like you wouldn't have 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.520 to force us to do it if it was awesome. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.280 I don't really get how a childisscat lady is affecting 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.560 his fucking life at all. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.880 But you know what I don't well, because you know 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.200 these types of men. It's like women should do these 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.400 things and stay in these boxes and like this is 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.120 what a woman is and you need to do that 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.320 r It's like, why would you want women to do 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.040 fun stuff if like you can trick them into making 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:28.600 you bread. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:29.360 I don't know. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.480 But then it's also like he's married to this to 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.600 a woman and a woman of color, and I'm like. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:34.800 What how is that working? 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:35.000 Out. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.960 Yeah, but I mean Candice, you know there is a 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.160 high population of Southeast Asians that are you know, Trumpers. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.560 Oh, I mean vivak Ramaswami. I think is now in 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.800 his camp for sure, because I remember the women's march. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.800 There was like an Indian family and the kids that 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.239 looked kind of pissed, but they were all in Maga hats, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.320 and like the dad was confused that we were there, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.480 because I think that's what happened. Like a lot of 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.800 Trumpers did come from the inauguration and then a bunch 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.400 of dumb bitches came in to. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.800 Town and in their pink hat. Yeah, I ruined there, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:04.400 ruined their day. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.640 But there was a meme with his wife where it 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.920 was her face and then the face of what's her 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:13.000 name of Anstravobowski, Oh yes, yes, and had main and 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.320 ends being like when you realize that all the hate 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.560 is meant for you too, Like I just don't know 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.800 how you stand there and go women shouldn't be in 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.920 the workforce and then your wife's just behind. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.960 I just don't get it. I'm it's hard for me 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:25.720 to understand. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.360 I understand we're all tricks by the patriarchy, and you know, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.200 fooled by society and we're all susceptible to it. But 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.000 it's also confusing, like yes, why do. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.280 You want this? Why do you want this? And it's like, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.720 we're fine for people to stay at home. You just 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.960 want to be respected. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:41.560 I don't know. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.280 It's it's tough. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.679 Look, I put my children to work. Rosie did a 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.880 lemonade stand this past weekend. I fucking saw that. Was 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.520 it a success? Woman in the workforce? Woman in the workforce. Yeah, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.600 she wanted to do a lemonade stand. She's been asking 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.720 for weeks. We set a date, we got the stuff. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.319 We didn't make lemonade, sorry, we bought it. We brought 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.920 out a cute little picture with ice and I put 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.880 lemon slices in it. So I don't know if it 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.160 was false advertising. But a lot of my friends said 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:11.760 that they did that as well, so I didn't feel 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.719 that bad. You can tell by tasting it. We did 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.640 not make it. You know that is some But are 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.839 you is it like powder or no? No, it's like 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.800 boughta lemonade like I bought like you know, whatever the 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.200 kind is, you buy it like a bout like, I 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.440 just bought that at the super market and then we 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.800 made like forty dollars and she's gonna donate it to 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.480 a pet charity actually, because she's, you know, an aspiring, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.960 childless catwoman and she wants to give it to animals, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.079 she said. So it was fun and she had a 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.079 great time at the beginning, like when there was like 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:40.920 a bunch of customers, and she loved taking the money 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.840 and she learned how to pour the picture without spilling 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.600 it and she was really into it. But the minute 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.320 there wasn't a customer, she was like, oh, this is boring, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:48.880 and she would just go play at the playground because 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.960 we did it at a playground because I didn't we 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.800 weren't going to get enough foot traffic at our house. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.200 So it was cute. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.400 Though it was cute, but at the end, like tip yesterday, 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.880 not even I was putting on our PJ. She goes 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.760 the lemonade nade stand was just kind fun. I just 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.520 didn't like it when there were no customers and I 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.680 was like, yeah, I mean, babe's that's that she would 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.920 just like. Her way of advertising was so funny. People 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.720 would come in and she go, you want lemonade? Like 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.960 not just like, hey, we have lemonade, ice cool lemonade. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.000 She was just like pointedly asking people, Hey, you sir, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.719 make eye contact with me, you want lemonade. But it 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.880 was fun. It was fun, fun, little fun, little activity. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.280 We did it in the morning before it got to 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.319 scorching hot. But then, oh my gosh. Today I went 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.280 to the dermatologist for my annual By the way, everybody 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:35.040 get your moles checked. And she was, you know, you know, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.160 I love to get a tan. I love to be tan, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.640 and I know it's not good for me, but I 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.600 do wear sunscreen. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:41.560 I try to. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.440 She's lying, thank god you did a correction. Yeah, I 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.880 try to wear sunscreen. I'm trying to. I'm trying to 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.600 always wear it on my face now for sure, body, I'm. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:50.560 Sometimes a little bit more lax. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.440 But I also try to go to the pool like 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.360 late in the day as well, when the sun is 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.120 a little bit weaker. But she was like, oh, you're pretty, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.160 tann and like the dermatologist is the place where your 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.480 pretty tan is like not a compliment, like she's mad 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.160 at you, you know, She's like, oh, you're looking tan. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.840 I go, yeah, I'm like, but I'm wearing one pieces. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.320 She's like, no, I can tell. It's like your chest 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.400 in your back. Like I was like, okay, She's like, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.760 you're two different colors. I was like, all right, all right, 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.160 got it, got it, got it. So I have to 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.640 fucking get my shit together. She's get me mad at me. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.800 And now I'm seeing her always in the summer, and 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.440 it's like I got to move my appointments to like 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:24.400 the winter or something. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.320 I don't get in trouble anymore. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.040 I keep thinking I'm san and then I look at 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:35.560 my legs and they are white. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.559 It's not for everybody, But what else is happening. It's 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.160 the getting to be the end of summer. This is 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.280 coming out. Summer's gonna be coming to a close. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.600 Oh my god, our nice intras are going to be 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.840 so jam packed. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:58.840 I know it flies by well. I also, okay, I 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.480 kind of have a confession to make. Uh oh, I 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.920 made all these bracelets in a day. Oh my god, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.760 Like how many times I think it's time to start 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.840 antsy store. I don't know what to say. What are 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.560 you going to do with all of Well, you just 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.320 give them out and stuff, right, I give about this. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.640 This I'm going to give to people. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.520 But like you know, when you start with a good 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.520 idea and you're like, everyone's gonna love this, and then you're like, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:22.960 is this humiliating? 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.280 That's how I feel. I'm like, oh my god, I'm 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:25.760 going to give. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.520 Everyone some bracelets, and then I'm like, god, I have 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.160 an issue. And then someone requested some. You know, it's 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:36.079 some are some Taylor Swift ideas I had. Some are different, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.480 but yeah, it's do you think that there's like twenty here? 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:40.320 I don't know. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.440 I guess it's not that bach, but it kind of 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.960 looks more than more like thirty. I mean, that looks 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:45.400 like a lot. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:45.760 I don't know. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.400 I'm just I can't tell them seeing shadows or the 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:52.840 actual bracelet, but there's a lot that's amazing. And you know, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.240 I'm glad you're like getting your working your hands while 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:56.840 you're watching like OC and stuff. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.240 You know, yeah, I am working, I mean, and it's 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.400 mostly procrastinating, but it is this fun creative outlet and 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.480 they do like searching for the letters and making the 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.160 patterns with the colors, like and you're not scrolling when 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:12.160 you're doing it, right, No, my my phone time has 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:12.760 been better. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.960 It's sit ye and I'm not saying that about you. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.120 Like that's me too. Like anything I'm doing that's like, oh, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.800 I'm doing something with my hands. It's like I'm not 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.760 just scrolling while I'm watching TV or something. It's good. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.640 That's a I'm all for that. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.240 We know as people who have been given bracelets by 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.680 a lot of you are beautiful listeners at our live 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.000 shows that the ones that are like the funniest and 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.680 like the most sort of esoteric are the best, right, Like, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.600 so I feel like you probably have some good ones 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:46.840 or obscure but perfect like yeah, I like, yeah, I 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.600 like we love Little Clever, we love Stablers Done, and 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:50.920 we love Mommy's Juice. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.480 You know, we love like the ones. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.480 That's like, you have to have seen this one episode 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.160 to even get what we're talking about, you know. I 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.760 like that, And I think that's goes along with you 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.760 have to know this on Taylor Easter Egg or whatever. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.839 You know. I'm cause playing as somebody who knows what 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.960 I'm talking about. When it comes to Taylor, I couldn't 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.880 even come close. But speaking of you know, friendship bracelets 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.200 and live shows, guys, we are going to be on 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.559 tour in October a little spooky season tour from your 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.880 Girls that that's messed up. We're gonna be on a 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.560 lot of sort of West side of the country cities 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.640 La San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Denver, Phoenix. 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And 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.080 this is season five, episode twenty, and we're at a 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.600 sex worker hot spot. They're all dressed provocatively and they're 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.080 looking for some work. One dude drives by a woman 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.120 in pleather and then so she calls him a scumbucket, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.080 which I gotta remember to call I do call a 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.680 lot of the housewives scum, but scum bucket is funnier. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.080 It's funnier. You're a bucket filled with scum. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.840 Okay, So the vice cops break it all up and 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.480 they call someone a dude who's clearly presenting as a 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.240 very feminine woman, and she walks away, and you know, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.800 they're having little sassy chats back and forth, and she 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.520 finally sells, well, if you want some of this sass, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.680 you know where to find me, and the cop goes, yeah, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.560 the big girls section at Macy's. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.280 That's funny, you know. I know we're a cab, but 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.160 that's funny. Meanwhile, though, meanwhile, this girl is skinnier, like 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.800 way thinner than I mean, she's a very thin person. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.000 I think it's the shoulder. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.520 I think it's the muscles and maybe you know, I 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.240 think this person is like six ' four, like I 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.520 think that's where. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.560 Girl y yea yi. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.240 And so they walk towards a car and they're like, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.440 zip it up to a man, sir, come on, let's go, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.320 and then they go, how are you even going to 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:20.760 tell your wife about this one? 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.240 They assume so much. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.400 But anyways, they put flashlights forward we see the man 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.320 is dead, there's a red cloth around his neck, eyes 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.000 wide open, and so they do a really nineteen twenties 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.960 joke like he won't be telling his wife nothing you know, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:36.360 or or I did that. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.040 I don't remember, so Stabler, it's very uh, you know, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:41.840 nineteen twenties gangsters. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.360 Stabler's in a baseball cap and he goes, good morning 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.960 sunshine to a short hair, thick banged Benson while it's 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.680 very much still dark out, take your hat off your 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.800 balt so uh, basically, this sky is white male thirties 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.680 and then hands Olivia the red thing that was around 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.560 his neck. There's no sign struggle. Stabler's confuse, like I've 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.600 never seen a hooker use hotpants to strangle a john before. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.000 And then the fashion expert of the sixteenth Precinct says, oh, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.040 these are not hotpants, these are leggings. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.600 You wear them to the gym. Okay a clue. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.040 So the Stabler goes, oh, wow, a hooker who works out, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.520 and it's like, I don't know, I don't know. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.600 Is that so crazy to believe? Stabler? 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.280 They don't have to be in shape, like I don't 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.919 I don't get it. Or maybe he assumes they're all homeless, 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:30.720 like I don't know. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.000 But yeah, it's either way, it's not good not a 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:35.720 good look stick. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.840 Well, it's just kind of in the episode Pixies when 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.359 they're like this young girl, she must be a street walker, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.000 and it's like she's clearly a young athletic girl, like. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:45.600 They just jump. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.960 They just don't They just don't understand the complexities of women. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.639 We are not one dimensional. So they look inside and 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.440 there's a condom. There's come inside the condom, so that's exciting. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.000 Seemen number one clue and then there's lipstick on the 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.159 outside of the condom. The wallet and credit cards are missing, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.040 but the cars registered to Jeffrey Yorke with a West 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.200 Side address. And then something clicks for Benson and she goes, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.840 oh my god. So she rushes towards the gurney and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.800 they unzip and she goes, fuck, he's an assistant DA 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:20.480 in the Bronx. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:21.880 I dated him. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:23.040 She sighs. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.400 We're at the credits, and we're back from the credits, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.800 and Benson brings Craigan a coffee. Okay, sexism, No, I 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.120 don't know, she's just thoughtful. I don't think he asked 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.440 for it. And then Stabler has his hat turned backwards 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.320 right now, so he's in his let's get serious era. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.800 And why is Craigan so tired? I don't know why 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:43.359 I asked that. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.840 I don't know. It's like it's okay to be tired. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.199 But he says that he had to actually call the 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.680 Bronx at two am to tell him about the DA death, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.480 you know, and it's like, hey, your DA is in 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:59.359 a known sex worker hot spot, Stroll, and their office says, well, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.320 hopefully you guys aren't jumping to conclusions, and Creigan goes, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:07.199 are right, guys, and Stabler goes, sure, the guy just 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.199 like hanging out with strippers in his spare time, and 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.760 Benson's like, no, hooker's stab or cut. 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:13.960 They do not strangle. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.600 But Stabler's like, well, they could be on crack and 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.960 Benson's so they could be on crack but not work out. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.760 And Benson's like that's bullshit. How many women do you 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.560 know with that kind of upper body strength to choke 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.800 a guy. So Craigan suggests maybe a transworker and Benson's like, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.760 oh no, no, no, that wasn't his type. And he 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.000 also was not the type to look for street sex. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.879 Like something is off here and she walks off in 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.280 a huff, and she's taking this as like a personal 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.879 attack on her. Sabler's like everyone has secrets, you know that. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.240 So what's he doing down there? If it wasn't for sex? 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.639 How about that? So then Finn walks in right in 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.400 the nick of time. Hey, sometimes things are just like 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.159 the way they are, and he has two pieces of 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.520 paper and you know he's reporting. And there's prints from 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.359 the past her door handle and also the dead guy's 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:03.119 belt buckle. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:04.399 Same prince. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.400 It's a man Kevin Brown aka Keisha Brown, and she's 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.960 a known transsex worker who we met earlier in the episode, 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.399 who you know, might or might not shop at Macy's. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:15.960 So we got to go talk to her. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.639 And then Craigan sends munchin Finn to go through jeff 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.240 Yorke's last three years of cases as a bronx DA. 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.600 So Benson looks shocked, like, WHOA. 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:27.960 Was I wrong? 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:28.399 Fuck? 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.800 So we're we're with Keisha Brown and she goes, Nope, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.760 not me. I didn't kick him. I didn't kick him. 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.760 She didn't kick him or kill him. She didn't kill him. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.320 So she says she did touch the car though he 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.240 was already dead. She did want to rob him, but 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.400 the wallet was already gone. She only took a gym back, 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.879 but there were closes in it, not her style. She 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.200 threw the bag under an underpass, and so they bully 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:52.679 her a little bit back and forth. 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.600 She doesn't want to get you charged with murder. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.600 She knows how these dirty cops play, but she finally 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.200 does confess about the bag. So we have a young 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.480 baby o'haleran, and he's digging in a dumpster and that's 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:10.160 pretty funny. And Stabler gets dirt on Jeff from Benson. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.680 You know, they're chatting while he's digging, so he doesn't 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.199 remember her mentioning him, and she goes, yeah, it was 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.680 five years ago. We worked a case together. We dated 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.760 only a month. Nice guy, but no chemistry. So then 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.639 we hear o'haleran success. He finds the bag in the trash. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.440 So it's a red licra top and some sneakers which 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.520 go with the leggings that were found around his neck. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.320 And there is a business card and it's for Tina Gardner, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.960 an investigator for the bronx DA. So Stabler guests is ooh, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.119 office romance gone wrong and Benson's like, why would you 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.680 know you leave this in the car? Then, so we're 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:46.480 gonna call her up, see what's up. They meet it 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.320 Perks Cafe. Perks Cafe sounds like a place where I 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:55.439 would get some over easy eggs. Honestly, they play. You know, 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.919 it's like such a nightmare. I did get an asa 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.240 e bowl for breakfast. I'm looking at it. I'm gonna 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.400 have it, but now I want an egg and cheese, 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:05.920 you know what I mean. It's like I don't want 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.399 I got it. I'll have it. I'm sure once I 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:09.960 bite into it, I'll be happy. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:10.280 To have it. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.440 I don't think I've had a I don't think I've 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.240 had a produce outside of a lettuce burger topping in 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.639 weeks in weeks. So it is good, but man in 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.399 my like, fuck, well, you're just getting hungrier and hungrier, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.600 and like when you get hungrier, you just want the 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.080 most delicious, you know thing you can get, you know. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.000 But I was adamant. I was like, I'll get an 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:39.520 off Sai bowl. Okay. So this woman at Perks Cafe, 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.760 Tina Gardner and investigator. She and Jeff played handball two 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.840 nights a week and if this was made today. I'm 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.600 sure they'd be playing pickleball. But Jeff Grove, she forgot 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.560 her bag in his car on Monday. She's like, we 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.240 are not dating, we are friends, and she's really sad 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.840 that he is dead, and she seems sad. She did 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.280 see him last night around six, leaving the office and 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.760 he said he was gonna go home. She goes paying 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.080 for sex, like, I don't know, that's not Jeff at all, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.600 but she does accurately describe the contents of the bag. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:09.320 They know it's her. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:14.040 Then Benson asks about her lipstick habits, and she says, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:18.560 Melanie Rose, Blush Rose, Why maybe I missed up. There's 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.360 too many Roses. They probably got something wrong. She goes, 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:22.800 why do you even want to know. I know who 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.520 it is. It's Alvarez. The guy was convicted last week 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.479 of murder and he got the max and threatened him 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.400 in open court. Jeff shrugged it off, but she suggests 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.560 they talked to the other ADA on the case, Andy Abbott. 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.800 And we're in a very choreographed, high octane walk and 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.240 talk and this office loves plants or maybe one girl 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.679 in this cubicle, but the greenery is piled high on 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.840 this woman's desk and he's like, yep, they wanted a 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.920 deal and Jeff said no, and Stabler's like, well, why 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:51.480 do you think Jeff should have made the deal, And 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.800 he goes, no, someone threatened me and wanted to murder me. 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.080 I'd make sure they were in jail forever and not 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:00.480 be free. Hello, and I'm with him, and they're like, well, 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.040 who is even Alvarez? 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.399 He goes listen a small time dealer. 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.800 In Mott Haven, but he wants to make it big time. 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.600 So he racked up three bodies and he got off 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.720 on the first two and he strangled them. The first 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.800 he got off with jury tampering, in the second, they're 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:21.120 a chief witness recanted, and third time. 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:22.760 Finally he got it done. 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.919 But Andy's wife is so worried and wanted protection for 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.800 him and for him to stay away. But he goes, 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.720 look at this tape, and we look at the tape 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.240 and the new the News did an interview and Jeff's like, yeah, 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.200 I'm used to being threatened. We can't walk away from 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.560 every case where there's revenge, Like I don't give a fuck, 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.000 I'm here, and Andy goes, yeah, he loved his job, 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.479 his ethics were almost biblical, and she said, it seems 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:48.000 like you were more worried than he was. And now 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.800 we had got another walk and talk back from his office, 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.560 you know, through the cubes. He says that he told 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:55.640 Jeff to carry a gun, and Jeff laughed and said, 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.680 you know, he didn't want to shoot himself on accident. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.560 So Andy's like, listen, go talk to Alvi and when 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.040 you do, tell him, I said, hello, so Alvarez at 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.000 this jail. He takes credit for putting the hit out 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.640 on Jeff, and the lawyer's like, lol, he's just having 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.920 some fun. And Benson goes, if you want to have fun, 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.119 go to Coney Island and ride the cyclone. 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.040 Under used quote of hers. 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.679 You know we always talk about the the you know, 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.080 the pickle and the Captain, but I like this one. 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.920 She says, I don't find dead prosecutors all that amusing. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.480 And she gets in his face and he goes, easy, mommy, 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.760 it was a joke. The lawyer butts in and he's like, listen, 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.119 this guy's looking at twenty five hard. He's angry, but 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.679 not angry enough to kill a da And Benson's unhinged 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.000 and she's like oh yeah, really, and then she accuses 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.440 the lawyer of the hit, and you know, the man 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.120 is giving me soft I'm sorry. I don't think this man, 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.960 but he did get indicted for the jury tampering and 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:54.320 not to mention, an eyewitness suddenly has amnesia. Come on, 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.639 he does look scummy, but not murder. I don't believe it. 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.320 So too big a risk for this guy doesn't want prison. 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.560 He knows what prison's about, and he's not willing to 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.119 risk him is the energy I get from him? But 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.240 also like he pays dominate Trick says, So he tells 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.360 Stabler to tell his partner to relax. 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:13.480 Not good. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.080 So the lawyer says, here's my office number, my cell 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.320 numb my ohone number, you know, here's everything. 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:20.959 Here's the log of all my calls. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.800 I got no games here and Alvarez says he's had 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:28.119 no visitors but the lawyer so, you know, but earlier 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.160 he did take credit for it, and he goes, yeah, yeah, 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.399 I'm just kidding, like, no, no, cap I don't know. 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:38.119 I actually two boys walking on my street and one 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.360 of them said, no, cap I like, I've never seen it. 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:43.200 I've never heard it out in the world. 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:44.600 In the wild. 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:46.160 Are you googling what it means? 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:47.360 Yeah? 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.479 I sell you, God, I tell you it means the truth. 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.480 Like no lies, right, no, lie, no lie. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.520 Yeah, we're all back at the office. No one has anything, 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.000 and you know they ran all the pieces from the crowd. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.119 Have nothing's popping out that looks similar. Craigan screams to 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.359 get more specific and like keep looking at crimes for 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.280 a pattern. Finn says that Jeff York left the courthouse 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.440 for the night at six fourteen, but he wasn't killed 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.280 until nine or ten, so there are three hours unaccounted for. 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.480 At this moment, the Bronx DA walks in Francisco Martinez. 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:20.960 He wants to talk to Craigan privately. He comes with 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.919 a folder of information. It's York's bank statements and it 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.680 was received by the DA's office two weeks ago. There 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.240 was an investigation because Alvarez, like on the inside, said 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.040 that he bought off York to throw the trial. But 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.280 money actually wasn't going in at all when they looked 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.240 into it. But five hundred dollars was going out every 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.080 three days, so how did he afford that? And he 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.880 wasn't paying bills, his credits in the toilet. What's going 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.639 on here? So the bronx DA dude is like, I 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.320 have no clue. It's up to you now I want 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:50.480 to find out who killed him. 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:51.040 He leaves. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.800 Stabler gets a soda from the vending machine and then 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.760 he tosses it in the air, flips it around, catches it, 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.879 and then hands it to Craigan. It would explode unless 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:02.600 it's a brisk Unless it's a brisk iced tea, but 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.879 like anything else is. 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.680 It it's got a minute made lemonade or otherwise you're 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.560 about to prank your boss. And Creagan doesn't open it, 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.320 so like he probably is also thinking, like, got my 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.080 detective is a fucking idiot? Why are you juggling? 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:16.640 Do you? 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.240 Are you a believer in the tap tap tap stops 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.400 the I don't know. I'm a believer, but I do it. 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.000 Yeah, I do it, whether it's a calm can of 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.840 coke or bustling. I tap tap tap Yeah, I've never 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.120 drank out of a can without tapping it. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:38.360 Ever, No, I'm the same, I always do. I'm like, 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.200 I don't know where this guy's been tap tap tap. 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.360 You know, Doctor Pepper has like they've they've they've culture 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.719 vultured from the Mormons, and they're making like creamy doctor pepper, 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:52.560 creamy coconut Doctor peppers and stuff. Oh yeah, because I 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.440 have a friend who on the plane puts half and 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:59.040 half into the doctor pepper can and she said it's good. 0:28:59.320 --> 0:28:59.760 Wow. 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.120 So I haven't tried it, but I am. I obviously 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:03.560 want to. 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.200 Yeah, you should. You need more dairy, so you should do. 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.080 You should try it. Why am I such a dairy fiend? 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.600 And then after I had a one of these strawberry 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.680 milk things, I was free ice cream day. I didn't know, 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.880 so I like ice cream please, so I got a 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.040 free you know, I put it in the freezer for later. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.840 But it's still it's just the dairy is it's coming 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:26.440 on strong. 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:26.800 You know. 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.160 I have a block of Monster in the fridge. Yeah, 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.719 that's where I get my dairy intake. For me, it's cheese. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.280 I'm like a cheese I'm a cheese cycle, I know. 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:39.040 But I'm gonna say something controversial. I hate the Trader 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:40.080 Joe's string cheese. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.840 Oh okay, but is it the kind you eat at 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.680 my house? I mean I'll eat it, of course, but 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.760 I hate I don't like it because I get the light. 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.320 I do get the light, and I do feel as 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.440 though the regular full flavor is probably better. Just I 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.240 don't want you to like be fully against the Trader 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:56.960 Joe's if you're only having it at my house because 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.720 I am getting the lights, okay, Yeah, which is which sucks, 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.200 I mean, and it's certainly not as good as like, uh, 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:03.640 what was the one you had that one time where 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.240 you were like, oh my god, it was like a 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.040 hidden valley string cheese and you were like freaking out 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.560 about it. You were like, this is so good. This 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.480 is the best dring cheese I've ever had. But I 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:13.800 wish we could remember the brand. 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:14.400 You know. 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.240 It's one of those things where it's like, hey, do 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.560 you want to eat seven string cheeses? And it's like 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.479 absolutely not, are you crazy? And then it's like, well, 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.200 how about we deep fry them and put him in 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.920 a you'll dip And it's like, actually, I will pass 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.120 that over to me. Yeah, no one could have any. 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.560 Yeah, absolutely, So all right, where are we? 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.160 I'm sorry I'm talking so much about Dary. We have 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:39.160 not even gotten to the lowdown of the lowdown. So anyways, 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.560 there's a soda we got to find out who killed him? Okay, 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:46.160 Cragan's in suspenders and basically jeffinitely had thirty dollars in 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.120 his account the night he died. The stock screen came 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.560 back clean as well, and Stable tells Craigan that Benson's 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.600 a little over zealous about this case, and Craigan goes, well, yeah, 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:55.920 I would be too if I was her. 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:56.800 What are you talking about? 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:58.720 So she pops in and she's like, hey, so I 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.960 called the lab and they're going to run the lipstick. 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.200 He tries to shut her down, and she's like, how 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.520 about you just listen. And the DA's investigator who worked 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.880 for Jeff told them that she carried lipstick in her bag, 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.000 but we didn't find it. And guess what. The lipstick 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.680 matches the condom lipstick? But whose lips? You know what's 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.560 going on here? So did she leave saliva behind? What's 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.440 what's up? So no, basically Judas Cziper Captain Judas Ciper 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.400 aka Karen Browning, you know, friend of the pod. She said, 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.960 the imprint is so perfect, and Sailor goes, oh, yeah, 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.840 if it was oral, it would be smudged. So this 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.920 lipprint was put on the condom after it was used, 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.360 so it was kissed. After Melinda Warner is here and 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.520 she's ready for work. She looked at the guy's seamen 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.080 vessels and there was no semen in there or in 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.760 his body. And the semen in the condom is different 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.360 than Jeff's semen and so that wasn't there. But anyway, 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.880 the DNA doesn't match. So there were two men in 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.080 the car that day. And Stabler says, well, that makes 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.040 sense why you guys had no chemistry. He's gay and 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.280 so the New York Ledger, of course Prince has line 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.160 that says murder da and a gay sex sleigh. 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.440 At least, you know, it's a fun's say. I do 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:07.960 like that. They's the word sleigh. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.440 Yeah, they were way way ahead. 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:10.840 Of drug race. 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.640 Casey and Craigan are walking and talking and they're like, 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.360 so what went on in their fucking car? You know, 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.720 the credit card were stolen, never used. The first thing 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.720 a hooker would do is use them. I mean, Stabler, 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:28.760 come on, but it's true. So it's not well, yeah, 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.000 because when my friend got pistol lipped in the streets 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.600 of Chicago and they robbed her, then the people went 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.080 to McDonald's and it's like, you truly broke her jaw 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.360 to go to McDonald's. 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.719 Yeah, so fuck up. I feel like always what I 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.600 would hear in New York is like people go down 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.240 into the Metro and like buy unlimited Metro cards, like 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.000 a ton of them, really fast, like on those machines, 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.360 because like you are going to cancel your shit like 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.840 pretty quickly, you know, And if you're getting robbed at night, 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.440 it's like best Buys not open if you want to 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.000 buy electronics or anything, you know. So people are getting 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.160 Metro cards. I think that happens a lot. I don't 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.640 think that's all they're getting, but yeah, McDonald's. Yeah, you 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.880 fucking that's so wild. 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.160 Yeah. 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:14.000 Yeah, anyway, so it's not you know, or I'm thinking 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.320 of the episode Chameleon where she goes and buys kids stuff. 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:18.720 So that's how they knew that. It was like a 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.600 woman with a kid, you know, maggots and credit card receipts. 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.880 They tell us a lot about what happened, so it's 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.200 not a robbery, sure, but it was a setup. So 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.240 what's going on? Stabler goes, well, this is a known 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.719 lover's lane. Maybe Jeff picked up a guy and had 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:35.800 a good time with him in Casey's like, then what 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.120 is the motive to kill him? And Craigan goes, maybe 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.640 an accident from rough sex and Benson goes, I don't know. 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.800 He seemed kind of vanilla, and Craigan is savage and goes, well, 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:45.520 you know, there's a lot you didn't know about him. 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:48.160 She gives him a dirty look. 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.360 He sends her in Stabler to go check out his 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.600 apartment and see what they can find, and he lived 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.440 on West ninety eighth. They see he had a lot 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:57.560 of medical bills and the day he died, he had 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.959 drinks with Andy Abbott at the Carlson Hotel. Why wouldn't 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.719 Andy mention that? And then they find thousands in medical bills. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.880 He had insurance through the DA's office, so why is 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.880 he not combining it. Then Stabler opens a cabinet and 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.640 finds tons of meds and says that he probably didn't 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.480 use that insurance to pay the you know, for these pills. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.439 And then he goes, look at this AZT, so that 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.120 means he was HIV positive and he paid for treatments 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:26.280 in cash. 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.000 They're walking outside. 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.200 And Sibblers like geeesh, you good and she's like, fuck, 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.759 I'm getting tested and he reminds her, you know, go 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.520 private like Jeff did, and she goes, yeah, no, duh, 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:37.960 So she's obviously gonna be worrying. 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.439 Is that like a thing though, Like I'm sure it's 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.560 changed now, but like, was that a thing that you, like, 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.160 your work would have to know your HIV status? 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.480 Like or was he just paranoid? 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.240 I mean the insurance would know, Like he just didn't 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:55.160 want anyone to know. 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.680 Yeah, because I wondered, like to have thirty dollars in 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.359 your bank account because you're worried about your job finding out? 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.000 I guess right, because he's also closeted. So it's not 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.360 even the AIDS of it. Yeah, Like I'm gay, I 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.520 have AIDS. I mean that's a genre AJO. So like 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.920 he does this joke where he's in New York and 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.320 someone comes in and like pushes him on the chest 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:20.120 and in this order he pushed millenniy and goes, excuse me, 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.960 I am homeless, I am gay, I have AIDS. I'm 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.560 new in town. And he's just like, you're gonna close 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.359 on new in town. That's not the most dramatic thing 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.640 you said, and he goes, you had me at AIDS 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.360 and he goes I would have worded it, excuse me, 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.160 I'm a new in Town And it gets worse, and 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.600 then he's like, did this guy practice the pitch all 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.560 in the morning, just like I'm gonna push him and 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.520 go I'm new No, no, no, I'm gonna push him and 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.040 go I have AIDS. And it's like this whole thing 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:54.360 of him planning how he's gonna like enter and it's honestly, 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.479 it's one of the best jokes. And I think about 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.279 it every time I think about AIDS, which is I 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.239 guess often. Okay, talking about this show, but New in 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.960 Town is an amazing special. 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.200 Everybody should watch it. 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:05.319 Yeah, you know. 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:06.920 Tim Dillon said this once. 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.239 It's like you never get as good as your first one, 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.759 cause it's really like your life's work. 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.160 Like you put all this simon, you put it all out. 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.279 And then if you become successful, you'll never be as 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.640 good again because your sense of everything is warped. 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:21.480 People are just yeah. 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.439 And you're also only taking like a year or two 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.799 to put together the next one, probably whereas you spent 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.800 like probably ten years making the first one. 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.680 Yeah, yeah, crazy. 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.920 It's like the first seasons of Housewives are always the 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.480 best or like the ones before they knew about the fame, 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.080 you know, yeah, anyway. 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.640 Anyway, but I'm trying to think because I love Let 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.719 It Go by Bill Burr, like that's my favorite, and 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.840 I won. I don't I wonder if that's his first 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:54.120 hour or not. But yeah, and you know, John Laney 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:55.880 did just get better and better. But anyways, if you 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.120 guys haven't heard this ades joke, you should go watch that. 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:03.160 Okay, So, oh, where are we? Where are we getting tested? 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:04.040 Private? 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.480 Okay, so basically she'll worry about the HIV test. But 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.600 they got to go talk to Andy Abbott immediately, and 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.920 he's tightening his tie while chatting very super casually. He goes, yeah, 0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.840 we always have drinks after work. I must have forgot 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.000 because I was so upset. But it's not an out 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.320 of the ordinary thing. I would have popped out at me. 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.600 So Stable goes, But we talked to his coworkers and 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.359 he lied to them about where he was going. Why 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.080 would he do that? Andy says, that's strange. Andy's like, 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.719 that's so weird. You know, he was meeting someone for 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.000 dinner after drinks. He doesn't know, but also didn't ask. 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.640 Jeff didn't talk about his personal life much and they 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.360 ask if he knew he was gay, and Andy is shocked, 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.960 and then a doorbell rings and he calls down for 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.880 his wife, like go grab the door, and he's like, 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.560 are you sure he didn't seem gay? The wife and 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.799 the child come upstairs. The babysitters here, it's time to leave. 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.560 He kisses his daughter good night. The wife buttons his 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.719 sleeve and he says that he left Jeff sitting at 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.520 the Carlson and he had a poker game to get 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.000 to a lot of plays. 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:04.000 For these men, very busy, very very social lives. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.959 They're talking to a cocktail waitress who remembers clocking Jeff 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.919 because he was hot and she thought Andy was hot too, 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.600 And that is Michael Beach by the way, and the 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.200 thumbnail on Hulu for the episode is this actor. It 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.600 was booked and blessed. He is busy and he is 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.400 great in this episode. And she says, you know, and 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.760 they're definitely not tourists and they were really good tippers. 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.160 And Andy's story checks out. He did leave first. And 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.840 the detectives are like, this hotel bar seems like pretty 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.360 swinky for DA's and so far from the office. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.000 Like maybe he was meeting a boyfriend. 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.960 So they go to the desk worker, who seems very 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.360 bitchy and posh, and they show him a photo and 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.040 he knows mister Yorke, who was a regular guest every 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.719 Wednesday and would always check in alone. This week, he 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:48.719 tried to check in, but they were fully booked. Why 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.880 wouldn't he just reserve it ahead of time? But whatever, 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.680 And I guess that's he's spending money here too, cash, 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.000 and so he was so yeah, so he's like, oh, 0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:58.600 we can call. 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.600 Some of her sister hotels. He goes, Oh, it's no 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:01.600 big deal, and he left. 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.160 Nobody met him, but he did talk to a football 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.960 player on the way out named Deshaun McGovern who's a 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.759 former running back for Miami and now he's a big 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.560 time real estate persons. They go to McGovern's office. He's 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.279 in a giant office, tons of trophies everywhere. He is 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.120 relaxed in his posture, and he was down meeting a 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.440 client when he ran into Jeff and the lobby. They 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.880 know each other from a kid's charity benefit. They chatted 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.239 because Jeff needed help selling his place, and they're like, 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.799 we saw his apartment. He seems a little poor for you, 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.440 Deshaun giggles. He goes, yeah, yeah, I know. But he 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:34.000 seemed nice and desperate, so I was happy to help. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.000 I didn't want to let him down, and I got 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.040 the feeling he had money problems. Stabler asks where he 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.200 was after the hotel, and he goes, well, I came 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:42.600 back to the office for a little bit, and then 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.279 I went out with some friends. I mean, these men 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.920 social calendars. These are men who lunch. And so Benson 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.560 answers a call. Deshaun offers to give a friends like 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.280 the friend's names from dinner. Benson goes, thanks, we'll holler 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.920 if we need anything, but we gotta go. 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:57.920 Finn has something. 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.359 So it's a meetup of the Fantastic four, and they 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.040 know who fixed the crime scene to fit the hooker killing. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:09.000 And it is copies of three cases, a piece from each. 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.719 So one of the crimes that it's copied is there 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.239 was an underpass with panny host strangle. The next was 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.640 a bronx sex worker beats up a john in a 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.000 car and leaves him unconscious with condom and lipstick, and 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:26.040 case three mugged and while it taken so and all 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:32.680 went to trial, and all were prosecuted by Andy Abbott. 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:38.719 Did Andy kill Jeff York? So Craig doesn't see why 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.400 Andy would kill Jeff though, and then we're like, maybe 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.680 that's a lover's quarrel gone wrong. So once the semen 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.120 in the condom is tested, we can see if it's Andy's. 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.000 But Novak says there's not enough evidence to compel to 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.600 get a DNA sample from Andy. Craigan's like, how about 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.200 those three cases that match them? And it's like, come on, bro, 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.719 you know it's circumstantial, and he can claim someone is 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.880 framing him. Wants to bring Andy in, but he's no dummy. 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.319 He's gonna lawyer up. So Stabler is like, we don't 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.120 have to tell him he's a purp. Let's just say 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.760 we're stuck and we need his help. Craigan sends Stabler 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.920 to go work on that, but tells Benson that Warner 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.800 wants her down at the Morgue. There's fear in Benson's eyes. 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.560 Basically she reveals that Jeff did have aids. Melinda says 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.360 that she will test Benson and she'll keep it a 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.080 secret for her, and she agrees. Melinda's always doing a 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.040 solid Benson does a walk and talk and asks swang 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.000 like fuck, like I have aids, and he's like, listen, 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.239 your risk is low and she's shut. So how long 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.360 can you have aids? You think before you realize you 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.880 have aids? Like, right, you have HIV first? 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.359 Yeah, and then that you know turns out, So let's 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:43.040 say HIV. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.719 So like I mean, when do you feel sick? Like 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.400 when do you feel a side effect? When do you 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.640 figure it out? Like she you know she had sex 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.160 with ONEm what five years ago? Yeah, exactly when she 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.239 had a tickle in her throat or man, I would 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.960 have imagined that also, like Benson has been tested for 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.840 STIs at her physical at one point in five years, 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.719 like she's if you're working for the NYPD, I'm sure 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.759 you have to have like routine physicals, you know, And like, 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.520 I don't know if STI testing is part of that. 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.920 Somebody can let me know if we have any NYPD listeners, 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.520 but like, yeah, like I would imagine in five years 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.839 she would have known and yeah, they had sex one time, 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.959 but you're right, Like I wonder how long it does 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:20.320 take show. 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:21.600 The episode risk? 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.919 You know, these people are having HIV for years before 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:25.920 they figure it out. 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:30.040 Let me, let me, let me google this. Okay, according to. 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.799 The NHS of the UK, but that's just my first 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.600 Google result, and I'm sure it's the same everywhere. Most 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.560 people infected with HIV experience a short flu like illness 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.120 that occurs two to six weeks after infection. After this, 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:47.600 HIV may not cause any symptoms for several years. So 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.760 but up to eighty percent of people who are infected 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.400 get this flu like symptom, like two six weeks, but 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.840 you know, raise temperatures or a throat, body rash, tiredness, 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.520 joint pain. I mean, you could honestly think that was 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.120 just like a virus or like the flu. 0:42:59.320 --> 0:42:59.520 You know. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.960 Yeah, those symptoms last one to two weeks, but can 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.200 be longer, and it's a sign that your immune system 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.960 is putting up a fight against the virus. And like 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.880 they said, not for years, but during the time, the 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.480 virus remains active and can cause progressive damage to your 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:19.960 immune system. So yeah, but yeah, that's a good question 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:21.680 because it is like a lot of people that are 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.400 just sort of like living with no clue. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.839 Yeah, So yeah, he reassures her that her risk is low, 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.319 and she's shocked. She missed this, and he's like, listen, 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:32.759 you're not the first woman to have sex with a 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:36.960 closeted man. She says maybe he didn't know, and Huang's like, okay, babe, 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.560 he knew. But also he says sexuality is complicated and 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.880 just because he was gay doesn't mean he wasn't attracted 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.320 to you. Andy's wife is now running through the halls 0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.239 looking for Andy. She looks worried. She tells Bunsen that 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.400 Andy canceled on lunch and told her to meet him 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:52.799 at SVU. She asks if there was a break in 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.000 the case. Huang says by and waves away. Andy isn't 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:57.880 answering his cell. She wants to know if they have 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:01.880 heard from him or anything, and goes, no, but you know, 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.480 I'll let you know if I see him. So Craigan 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.359 meets Benson and Huang in the spyglass and guess what 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:09.840 in cement room bars is Andy Benson lied to his 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.239 wife's face, and Stabler's in there with him and they're 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.120 going through files. 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:14.960 I can't believe Olivia lied to the wife. 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.439 So he's looking through suspects and isn't keen on what's 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.360 going on, but Benson is thinking about his wife hardcore 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.880 and it's like, fuck, what if Jeff is HIV positive 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.960 and Andy might be two? They can't warn her legally, 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.440 you know, HIV status is confidential even after death. Stabler 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.799 comes out for a moment and they tell him his 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:34.959 wife is there, and he's like, oh, hell, yes, let's 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.840 play with that. So it's time to play the wife card. 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:38.279 Uh oh. 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.680 They hand him a coffee mug. Is that a DNA? Gotcha? 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.320 He gives up on the search and can't think of anyone, 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.400 but Stabler's like, listen, it has to be someone that 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.320 knew your cases. 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:46.960 Who can it be? 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.279 But Andy doesn't see the connection, so Stabler brings up 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.720 an inside job suggestion. It finally clicks. He's like, oh 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.120 you think I did it? He and he asks if 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.799 he's a suspect, and Stabler tries to table. Stabler tries 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.720 to bully him. He's a lawyer. It's gonna be harder 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.839 than your usual gameplay, Stabler. Benson walks in. He says, 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:08.640 why would I kill my friend? And she goes, you 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.680 were more than friends. He calls her crazy. She says, 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.040 your wife is here, by the way, and he gets stern, 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.239 what did you tell Mary Allen dramatic music plays. She 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:21.040 says she didn't say anything yet. He says, don't threaten me. 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.719 He gets loud. If you spread these fucked rumors, you're 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.360 looking at departmental charges. 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:26.200 Annie. 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.200 Then he threatens a lawsuit as well. He says, you 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.120 are forcing things together. Benson says, okay, easy solution, give 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.400 us your DNA. He goes, do you think I'm fucking stupid? 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.560 Go fuck yourself. He screams, I wasn't even there. I 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.479 had a poker game every Wednesday night. He runs off. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.560 Now we're at Jerome Adam's office. It's another man in 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.919 the poker hang, nice office, big chair, rich vibes, frame 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:48.000 photo of his kids. 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:49.200 He says he was stressed. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.080 They cut to another man and dreads, who picks up 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.920 the story. Stressed about the threats in court and when 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.640 they keep pushing both his friends don't like these accusations. 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.840 They're like, what's going on, But they ask about the 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:04.880 poker games, the changing locations, and this time it was 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.680 at a Brownston and Park slope, the rich office guy's place. 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.279 The wife goes to the movies with her friend and 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.920 he loves poker Knights. Five to six dudes beers a 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.640 rowdy time, no limit. There is a frame at Dread's 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.239 place and it's all the men that play and includes. 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:20.680 The football player. 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:24.560 So DeShawn is in this poker group, and if they 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.839 were all at the game together, why wouldn't Andy say that? 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:30.520 So something is going on and everyone's protecting him. So 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.839 what did they have to hide? Finn thinks that they 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.160 were all on the down low. Craigan goes down, what 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.120 So now we learn about the down low and it's 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.680 about black men having sex with other men and they 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.160 all have wives and kids and it's just sex. But 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.319 they don't think they're gay, like they believe you have 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.440 to be a man and being gay is for the whites. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.840 Benson says, even whites have issues being gay, and you 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.279 know they're doing crystal meth and he's like, yeah, but 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.680 these guys they go home and have like sex with 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.319 their wives and they pretend to be straight, and they 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.000 all stare at him extra long, and he goes, don't 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.160 look at me, I just know stuff, and Finn goes. 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.560 A classic iced tea line. I would say, don't look 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.080 at me, I just know stuff. I remember watching this 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.440 episode and this being the first time I'd ever heard 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:12.959 of this concept, which we will get into more later, 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.719 but like this episode as always educating me. I guess I. 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:20.320 Don't know what here this is to when I learned 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.080 about it, but it was kind of a thing in 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.480 Chicago where people from the South Side would come to Boystown, 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.720 like everyone kind of talked about that and then do their. 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:30.839 Gay shit and go back home. 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.480 So yeah, I don't know when I was spending my 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.320 time in the streets of Chicago. 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.480 I learned as I was eating it. 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:39.960 Duncan. 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:41.920 We were just talking about this at a brunch that 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.520 I was at last weekend with a bunch of people 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.239 from my hometown and they were like, oh, they were like, 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.320 there were so many closeted gay dads in New Canaan, 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.279 And I was like, wait, do you really think so? 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.040 Like I never knew anybody's dad, like I could never 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:55.959 I could not tell you what any of my friend's 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:56.640 dads looked like. 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:57.680 I knew all their moms. 0:47:57.719 --> 0:47:59.680 I could draw their mom's faces if I had to, 0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:01.160 Like all of them, I knew their moms. 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:01.960 I never knew the dads. 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.360 The dads were always like at work, and so my 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.640 friend was like, oh, I know guys that have come 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.680 from the little metro north out to Connecticut to have 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.000 sex with married guys out there. Like I was, like, 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.360 I just never even put that, you know, in my 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.960 mind about my little suburban town. 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:20.480 Well not only closeted, but your brother's friend, who's the 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.879 sex addict therapist, was saying, Yes, of his clients are 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:27.440 like Connecticut, you know, men who ruin their. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:31.480 Lives for their you know, yeah, a listener, A listener 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:32.320 shout out. 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:32.560 To my friend. 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.719 I won't name I won't name him. No, we won't 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:35.960 name butt a shout out. 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.640 So Finn then goes to talk to m a governor, 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.560 and he's like, I'll go do that, and he's gonna 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:45.000 connect better than the whiteswell and you know, so he's 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.719 got he's got to take charge. And this dude has 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.920 McGovern has so much fruit on his counter. He's drinking OJA, 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.600 nice place, big shoulders, amazing view, he's divorced, no kids. 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:56.880 He sits and drinks the oj in front of his 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.239 gorgeous view, and Finn butters them up like I'm a 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.279 football fan, and then insults him with why didn't you 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.879 have any endorsement deals? You know, you're so good at ball. 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.680 Where's your money? He doesn't like that. He stands up, 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.680 what's your problem, man? Finn says, what's your problem? He 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:12.919 turns and they all look at the view, and he goes, 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.000 I was an athlete hero. Everyone looked up to me, 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.200 and they still do, and I wanted to stay that way. 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.960 Finn calls him out, like, yep, that won't happen if 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:23.239 they know you fuck men. He says, yo, get clear, bro, 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.600 and then he goes, I'm no f word. He says, 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.239 you're on the download, dude, and this saint no poker game. 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.760 You guys are having sex with each other. He says, 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.920 I can't overcome this. Finn goes, you tell me details 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.600 or I will start digging around and talking about these parties. 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.520 And he says, I'm not gay. I have relationships with 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.040 women and sex with men, and Finn goes, news flash, 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:49.480 you're gay. So dramatic music plays and he says that 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.000 the game has been going on for four years. Every 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.680 week someone gets, you know, someone gets to take someone 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:57.840 to the bedroom, and it's like nothing ever happened. No condoms, 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.000 because if you bring condoms, that means that you're admitting 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.720 why you went there. So they asked how Jeff Yorke 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.400 is involved, and Jeff fell in love with Andy and 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:07.680 wanted him to leave his wife. So Andy asked Deshan 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:10.560 to get some sense into him, and he looks off. 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.080 Andy did it. He didn't mean too. Jeff would have 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.160 dragged everyone into a mess. So they go to arrest Andy. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.279 They read him his rights. He takes over reading the 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.320 rights because he knows his rights. He is a lawyer. 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.480 So he's back in the cement room bars and he's like, 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.600 I'm not gay, I wasn't his lover and I did 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:28.960 not kill him. Benson says, listen, the sperm is going 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:33.000 to be a match, and then Shaun c Zerko, you 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.480 know lawyer, He goes he can explain that. So I 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.319 can't wait to know why the Jew's was in there. 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.280 So Andy knew Jeff wanted to talk and had been tense, 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.360 so he knew something was up, and he thought it 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.520 was about Alvarez, but he said he was in love 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.879 with him, and he said he didn't feel the same way, 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.520 so he was embarrassed and they both got drunk. He 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.400 gave Andy a ride to the poker game since he 0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:56.120 couldn't get a cab because of racism, I assume. And 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:59.960 then when they drove by some sex workers, Jeff pulled over. 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.320 He wanted to prove his manhood. He says, I went first, 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:05.840 you know, And when the sex worker was finished with me, 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.239 I left and I took a cab to Brooklyn, and 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.600 Siegeler goes, why didn't you tell me this to start? 0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.399 And Shauncey goes, yeah, right, that would have go over well. 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.720 A threesome with a hooker, and he says he blames 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.799 himself and he shouldn't have left chef there. Benson goes, yep, 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.040 you know you have answers for everything, but you didn't 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:25.600 account for Deshaun talking to him at the hotel coincidence, 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.480 and he goes, no, it's probably a business meeting. Stabler 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.200 Yell's false. It was a meeting about the murder and 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:34.040 Jeff confessing his love. You didn't want your wife to 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:35.960 know you were on the down low. He's like, I'm 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.239 sure he said exactly what you wanted him to say, 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:41.239 so you wouldn't ruin his life. Novak's watching behind the 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.319 spyglass and she goes, damn, he's good. 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.839 This wild story might work, and Finn goes, oh, wait 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:50.520 really quickly, really quickly. So what he's saying, Andy is 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.480 saying happened is that they pulled over a sex worker 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.680 gave hu a bij Andy Andy. 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.120 And that's why his jiz was in that condom. 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.480 Yeah, but then the that still doesn't really make sense 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:04.680 that there's like a perfect lipstick print on it, right, 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.440 but whatever, oh yeah, correct, yeah, he but he doesn't 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.160 even know that evidence yet, you know what I mean, 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:11.320 Like you thinks. 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:12.080 He really did it. 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:17.200 He's a lawyer, and yeah, so, and even Novak's impressed 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.239 with him, but Finn thinks the jury is going to 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.879 see right through him. But Novak does not think that 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.680 family man gets drunk with colleague, wrong place, wrong time. 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.480 Finn goes, yeah, but Deshaun will testify, and Novak and 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.520 Finn are in his office, and he of course yells, 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.200 hell no, he doesn't want to do it. He will 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.160 fucking lie and you are not going to mess up 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:38.160 his life. He's going to deny, deny, deny. So Finn 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:40.600 does tell Novac like, yeah, you were off, you idiot. 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.520 So whatever, he kicks them out of the office. Now, 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.160 what we need proof, always in need of more proof, 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.160 I would say, that's in every episode. So they go 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.279 to Warner to try to get more proof out of her. 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.440 Squeeze any extra info they have. So she ran the 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.680 DNA and the dead can speak. The HIV in Jeff's 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.640 blood is the same as Andy's, so Andy has HIV two. 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.319 It's suggestive that it's like the same same kid, you know, 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.400 back and forth, but it's not conclusive. 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.440 There's no numbers, and it's not good enough for a jury. 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:09.040 So now what. 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.360 Benson walks away, Werner stops her and whispers that she's negative, 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.520 and Benson is obviously happy to hear that news. So 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.520 Novak and Benson walk into SVU headquarters like what do 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.520 we do? Finn walks by them, and WARN's like, uh oh, 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:26.640 she is steaming. Mary Ellen runs up like how do 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.000 you what are you doing? How dare you you think 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:33.239 my husband killed our friend? So Benson is like, we 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.920 have credible evidence, and she goes, oh, more lies. You 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.359 lied to me already asking me questions when you knew 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.120 he was a suspect. She is a damn good actress, 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.839 and she goes, don't lie to me again, And now 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.239 Novak pops in, being messy as hell, and She's like, 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.640 your husband is gay and having an affair with jeff Yorke. 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.480 She calls Novak sick. She goes, you don't have to 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.520 believe me, but for your own sake, get an HIV 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.759 test jeff had aids. So Mary Ellen goes go to 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.279 hell and runs off. So Novak says she needed to know. 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.160 Chauncey disagrees and chase her down a hallway and goes, hey, 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.200 this is a complaint to the Disciplinary Committee of the bar, 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.719 demanding you be suspended from the practice of law is 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.520 so unprofessional, if not criminal. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:14.520 The what you did. 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:18.400 You revealed medical information that's confidential to a client's wife. 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:20.440 And she goes, listen, I want to protect her, but 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.960 you know, he thinks that she's trying to humiliate the wife. 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.600 And then he says, but don't worry, I'll rip this 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.760 up if we can make a deal. So she goes, Lol, 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.600 you're blackmailing me while accusing me of ethical issues. He goes, 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.439 I'm defending my client. I didn't break the law man 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.160 two five years probation. Take it or leave it. She's like, 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.040 fuck you, so she walks off. She runs to Marlow 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:45.239 Thomas's office AKA you know Mary Conway Clerical offices and 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.080 she's like, damn, you're crazy. 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:49.759 Novak goes, fuck the law. 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:53.319 You know, this woman's life is at stake, and Marlow goes, yeah, 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.680 but you're screwed, and Novak knows it, and it's like, 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:59.080 you also did it to play games. You didn't just 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.480 care about her health. Admit it, and she's like, sure, 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.880 I do know that. So Novak goes to the wife 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.440 and the wife goes, you shouldn't be here, and Novak 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.560 is there to apologize. Novak admits she was wrong and 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.480 it wasn't her place to tell her, and she's like, 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.640 if I was in your position, I would want someone 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.759 to tell me. She says, you ruined my life and 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.080 Novak responds, I didn't expose you to HIV Andy did? 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.000 She responds, I didn't put Andy's arrest on the front 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:27.200 page and on the TV. I have two children. They're 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.319 asking me what their daddy did wrong. What do I 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.480 tell them? Novak doesn't know what to even say. You know, 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:36.200 she goes, go talk to your husband and then she cries, 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.160 and then Mary Allen goes, how do I tell my kids? 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:44.400 I'm HIV positive? So Novak says sorry again the wife 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.520 sighs she doesn't want her girls to suffer. 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.000 Well, wait, I just want to really quickly interject here. 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:51.239 It is wild that the episode retro that we just 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:53.960 did a few episodes ago is like in the same. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.000 Season as this, it was ten episodes ago. 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.040 And in that episode it was like, it was a 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:02.120 crime for you to not like get your children tested 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.120 and not get them treatment. So how is it not 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.760 a crime of Andy Abbott to just be HIV positive? 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:09.840 And like, I guess he. 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:13.920 Could claim he didn't know, he don't think and didn't Yeah, 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.040 he doesn't know, so he can't be so yeah, But 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.200 like to me, it's it is almost like a life 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.879 saving move of Novak to tell the wife, even though 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:27.440 it's against like bureaucratic privacy laws, because who knows if 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.080 he was even planning on telling her if he got 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:32.560 off you know, no, I bet he would take it 0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:33.720 to the Yeah. 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:37.560 But also he's a man, so it's not you know, 0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.120 another man woman thing. I'll bring up. I was reading 0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:46.800 something where it's about widows. It's about Bob Saggett's widow 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.239 was writing something and how like men we talk about 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.319 this all the time, get married right away. I mean, 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.719 their wife can be not dead for even a year, 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.319 and the men are remarried marry a friend, like they 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.960 need to be with someone, and we're like, oh, yeah, 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:05.120 you know, he needed someone. But with women, she's like, 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:08.000 you could honestly wait five years and it's never enough time. 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:09.160 And people are. 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.680 So mad when women widows date or find love again. 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.000 And she's dating someone and she's like, I talk to 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:19.040 his daughters like I did love my fucking husband. Yeah, 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.760 but it's just something I didn't think about. But it's true. 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.640 I mean I judged the men pretty harshly when they 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:26.480 marry so fast that it's something I talk about. 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:28.680 But we are like, oh, thank god, someone will help 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:29.280 with the kids. 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.000 But when women do it, it's like you should be 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:32.360 sad for the rest of your life. 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.600 You yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely double standard. 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:37.200 Absolutely yeah. 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.240 But you know, Novak is sorry, Like at the end 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:43.720 of the day, Novac is really sorry about the whole situation. 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:44.479 What she did. 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:47.160 She knew she was kind of selfish, but like you said, 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.120 it is the right thing to tell the wife. Yeah, 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:54.480 I mean, yeah, so the wife's size. She doesn't want 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:58.160 her girls to suffer. So they have a plan. They 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.160 go to the prison, Novak and the Wifey go to 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.640 see Andy and Chauncey. Chauncey's like, what the fuck, bitch, 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.880 you were going way too far. The wife interrupts and says, 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.840 I asked her to come. It was my decision. So 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:13.680 Chauncey stands down and Uh Mary Ellen walks over to Andy. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.040 She sits down and holds Andy's hands and says, one 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.920 day you picked up a little paintbrush and you painted 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.680 a watercolor Christmas card for me. She remembers it like yesterday, 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:24.640 and she fell in love with him that day, and 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.560 she still loves him. She says she will love him 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.720 till the day she dies, and by the grace of God, 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:31.919 I will live long enough to see your girls grow 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.800 up and find their way in life. He's crying listening. 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.880 She says, I forgive you. They are both wet eyes. 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.040 She can't forgive him, though, if he lets the kids suffer, 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.360 you know, He's like, she goes, if you let their 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.720 kids and their friends and families be destroyed with a 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:49.840 trial that will drag everyone through the mud. 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:51.320 I will not forgive you. 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:54.360 She's asking him, like, Andy, be a man, admit what 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:57.840 you've done, and all he can muster is, I'm so sorry, 0:58:58.280 --> 0:58:59.200 and he should. 0:58:59.000 --> 0:58:59.960 Have told her the truth. 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.080 And he's like just very sorry what he did to her, 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.800 and she knows he is, and he starts talking. He 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:09.560 wanted me to leave my family. I couldn't. I couldn't 0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:12.720 admit I'm gay. We argued and I got so angry 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:15.960 and I killed him. Novak says. Man won seven and 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.400 a half to fifteen years, and you alocute, but only 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:21.920 the plea and sentence are on record and the rest 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.600 will be sealed. Chauncey, because of that, will drop the 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:30.960 disciplinary committee thing. Chauncey turns and asks Andy, and Andy 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:32.080 nods and says done. 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:33.520 She ugly cries. 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:36.240 They hug. She cries into his neck, and that's dick 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:40.640 wolf baby. It's like the word bisexuals never brought up 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:43.640 the whole episode, like no one's ever just like, oh, 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.560 I kind of like both, I don't know, it's interesting 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.840 like that, well, you know, famously, it's like women are 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:52.960 allowed to be bisexual, I think, but like men, it's 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.160 like now if you like, you know, you can't be. 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.520 But it's like, you know, our dear friend of the pod, 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:01.600 Robert Brooks Cohen is an out and proud bisexual who 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:04.800 has a podcast about being bisexual and you know, wants 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.439 to end the end that stigma. All right, well, thank 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:11.120 you for that detailed recap, Lisa, and now we're going 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:16.800 to get into the true crime, true life, true life phenomenon, 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:25.760 whatever you'll call it. I just looked into the concept 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:29.280 of the down low, which became like a super has 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.880 an interesting history, and I will say right now, there 1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:35.480 is not a lot of current information out about the downloaw. 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.200 I don't think it's like as much of a thing anymore, 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.800 but it had like a cultural moment. So when I'm what, 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.600 a lot of my research is from the early two 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.360 thousands or mid two thousands, around when this episode came out, 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:50.680 So just you know, a little warning that, like, I 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:53.400 don't think a lot of this is like still holding up. 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.040 This is just like what the thoughts were at the 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:58.080 time that this episode came out. So obviously, yeah, an 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:00.920 inversion of low down is the episode is called lowdown. 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:03.400 It's an inversion of the term down low, and it 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:07.440 was originally popularized as a as a term just meaning secret, 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:09.600 like you know, keep it on the DL, like by 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:11.400 the way, like we're gonna drink tonight, keep it on 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:13.680 the DL, you know anything, Like I remember saying this 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:16.040 all the time in school and when I was young. 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:20.200 So it was popularized in the nineties by singers like TLC. 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:20.640 And Boo R. 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.960 Kelly, and then it morphed into a slang term for 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:26.520 the African American community that refers to Black men who 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:30.080 publicly identify as heterosexual but seek out sexual encounters with men. 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:33.640 Obviously we glean that from the episode. In fact, in 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:37.960 medical research there's even the term down low is used. 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.520 Other terms used in the medical research are sexual identity, 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:46.520 behavior discordance, dude sex, bud sex, hetero flexible sex, hetero 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:51.080 flexible men, sex between straight men, behaviorally bisexual, non gay, 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:54.600 and heterosexual self presentation. So I just thought those were 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.680 like some interesting terms that are also used it medically 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:02.920 to describe this sort of phenomenon. All the research that 1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:06.240 is about this basically says that, you know, Black culture 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:10.040 is typically hyper masculine, centers masculinity and fatherhood as the 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:13.720 primary concerns of Black men, and so most down low 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:17.200 men identify themselves not as gay or bisexual, but first 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:21.080 and foremost as black. So to them in Black culture, 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:25.800 that equates to being inherently masculine. And also in this culture, homosexuality, 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:28.360 as they say in the episode, was historically thought to 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:32.080 be a white man's perversion. But the down low subculture 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.640 rejects LGBT culture because they think that LGBT culture is 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:36.720 like white and effeminate. 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:37.080 Right. 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:42.960 So in two thousand and three, there was a big report, 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:45.840 a big article that was called double Lives on the 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:47.560 Download that came out in two thousand and three where 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:49.320 there was like a very long article in New York 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:52.840 Times magazine where the reporter like sort of embedded himself 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.120 with DL guys and like learned a little bit about 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:58.440 like where they were coming from and their philosophies and stuff, 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:00.800 and not that these men speak for everyone, but one 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:03.240 of the guys he spoke to, who gave the name 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:06.840 rakim Uh to the reporters, said, quote, we know there 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:10.000 are black gay rappers, black gay athletes. 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:10.600 And they're all on the DL. 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:12.919 If you're white, you can come out as openly gay, 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.560 skier or actor or whatever. It might hurt you some, 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:17.840 but it's not like if you're black and gay, because 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:19.800 then it's like you've let down the whole black community, 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:23.840 black women, black history, black pride end quote. So that's 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:26.080 a little bit where some of these guys are coming 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:29.040 from with this. So the DL label they felt was 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:31.439 the safest option for them, so they don't risk losing 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:34.480 their family or friends or their you know, status in 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.880 their communities. And it's more than just being in the closet, 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:39.640 you know, it's different from being in the closet because 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:43.320 these men were actively like dating or marrying women while 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:47.240 maintaining this masculine image. They would obviously meet anonymously. Many 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:50.120 of them were young inner city men who participate in 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:52.960 hyper masculinity or what New York's Time magazine called thug 1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:55.880 culture quote unquote, So you know a lot of these 1:03:55.920 --> 1:04:01.560 guys two yes, But it's also very different from what 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:04.640 is presented in this episode, as these men are all 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:08.800 very successful, they're all very like they're they're educated, they're successful, 1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:11.880 they have great jobs, they have families that they like. 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.200 A lot of the research suggests that men with that 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:19.160 kind of background would be more comfortable coming out and 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:22.320 that it's like this more like inner city guys that 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:26.200 are like more obsessed with like the social hyper masculine 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:28.040 part of it, that were more part of this culture. 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:29.959 But you know, I think the show plays with both. 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:34.320 It's also worth mentioning that the term down low was 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:37.200 eventually co opted and turned into a marketing term in 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:40.280 the gay porn world, which people accuse it of using 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:43.320 that word to sexualize Black and Latino communities, which are 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:47.440 already like sexualized men, I would say, and women. The 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:50.320 DL scene really started to pop off kind of in 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.800 the nineties, but the first mainstream outlet to report on 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:54.560 it was the La Times in February of two thousand 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:57.480 and one. By two thousand and three, this article that 1:04:57.560 --> 1:04:59.960 I mentioned comes out that's like a huge sort of 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:02.480 bombshell about this subculture. 1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:05.200 And then by two thousand and four, Oprah's talking about it. Baby. 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:09.080 So by then men, you know, by the two thousands, 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:12.280 men are finding other DL men on websites, internet chatrooms, 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:14.760 private parties like this poker night type of thing, and 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:18.160 special knights at clubs. But then at this also around 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.560 this time, the DL phenomenon is starting to worry the 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:23.520 public health sector. Much like in this episode, they feared 1:05:23.520 --> 1:05:27.360 that DL men were spreading HIV to their wives and 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:31.280 girlfriends because they would be like unknowing of their status. Also, 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.080 in two thousand and one, closer to when this episode aired, 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:38.400 the Center for Disease Control the CDC said a third 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:40.520 of young urban Black men who have sex with men 1:05:40.560 --> 1:05:43.640 are HIV positive and ninety percent of them are unaware 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:45.760 of their status. So in two thousand and one, that's 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:49.400 like a pretty scary statistic. You know that a third 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:51.400 of young of these young men have it and that 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:55.240 most of them don't know. So in two thousand and four, also, 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:58.440 AIDS was the leading cause of death for African Americans 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:01.160 ages twenty five to forty four. Black women accounted for 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:04.680 seventy two percent of all new female AIDS cases. And 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:09.400 it was yeah, and it's really interesting because this medical researcher, 1:06:09.520 --> 1:06:12.640 Sandra Singleton MacDonald, she had gone down to work at 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:15.959 the CDC in Atlanta in nineteen eighty six and she's 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:18.200 been She showed up being like, I want to research 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:20.400 diseases that affect black people in the South. And they 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:22.160 were like, one of her colleagues was like, you should 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:24.800 look at HIV and AIDS. She was like, no, no, no, no, no, 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:28.200 I said, black people like because HIV and AIDS were 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:30.840 simply like a white gay disease. It's like that's how 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:34.000 it had been framed by the public even though this 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.760 and that was in eighty six, So fast forward to 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:40.720 like fifteen years down the line, you know, and it's 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:44.680 like a huge, a huge problem for the black community, 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:48.240 and she says Sandra Singleton McDonald says she tried to 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:49.920 warn leaders in the black community and they looked at 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:51.760 her like she was nuts. They told her that's a 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:54.440 white problem. And a huge turning point was like five 1:06:54.520 --> 1:06:56.960 years later when Magic Johnson revealed his status in the 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:59.520 early nineties, and that's what got a lot of black 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:02.360 men to attention. And they said they were being flooded 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:04.160 with calls of black men being like, how do I 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:05.040 what does this mean? 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:06.160 How do I get tested? 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:10.480 Like so obviously now I think there's more public education 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:14.080 that AIDS and HIV can affect any community, and it 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:14.920 seems that. 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:17.480 We It just reminded me, you know, I was just 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.440 thinking how it sucks to be in the closet and 1:07:20.480 --> 1:07:22.520 I'll want not you know, have to keep your life 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:25.320 a secret, and how if you don't know or you're 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:27.000 not willing to come to terms, you're not getting tested. 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:29.560 And remind me of something I saw not having to 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:32.080 do with this, But I guess there's a book that's 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:35.000 banned in a lot of places, but it's like a 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:38.080 sex said book for kids. And this little girl took 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.520 it out from the library and went to her mom 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.720 and goes, this is this is what's happening to me. 1:07:43.280 --> 1:07:45.480 And it gives kids the words on how to like 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:48.600 express that they're being abused. And her dad was raping her, 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:51.880 oh and now and now he's in prison. And it's like, 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:54.080 so thank god for this book that she was able 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.080 to see herself in it and point it to her 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.280 mom and be like that that's happening to me. Yeah, 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:00.320 And all of these right wing lunatics are trying to 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:02.840 get it banned, and it's like, no, these kids need 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:05.880 this information more than anybody. And it's something I never 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:08.560 thought about. I mean, I think about lots of stuff, 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:11.240 but not in this context where if I get into 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:14.080 an argument or something, I'd be like, well, how do 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:16.280 you want a kid to know what's happening? Like the 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:18.639 secrecy is what allows all this to happen. 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.799 I don't know. Yes, I'm glad I saw that story. 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:26.400 Yeah, oh that's heartbreaking, but I'm glad that she was, 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:27.680 Like the book helped her. 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:28.240 That's that the. 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.400 Book helps her and that her mom believed her so 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:34.080 fucked did something. That's the little book banning the law 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.479 worked and put the dat away. You know, It's like 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:41.200 so many steps had to happen for it to even 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:47.080 you know, to get some sort of justice. But yeah, yeah, crazy, Yeah, totally. 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:51.280 So back to AIDS, my bad, back to age AIDS 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:54.160 and HIV. Imagine Johnson what kind of like a hero 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:58.160 because I don't I mean, I wasn't really aware during 1:08:58.160 --> 1:08:58.679 this time. 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:02.440 I was probably very little, but people still are obsessed. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:05.519 With him, Like I'm sure there was jokes, and there's jokes, 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:09.080 like I'm sure you know, I think it was like yeah, 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:12.559 but no one respected him less unless I'm really not 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:13.479 part of that community. 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:15.599 And I think that he was like a late night 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:18.439 punchline probably in the nineties. But I think like now 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:21.000 he's like a trailblazer. 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:22.040 Like the fact that. 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:24.240 Well now people just shut on Magic Johnson because he 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.719 has a gay son, you know, who loves makeup. 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:30.800 So that's yeah, yeah, it's like you can be that. 1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:33.639 I mean that's really interesting too, where it's like Magic 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:36.880 Johnson is still like seen as straight and masculine and 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:38.960 an athletic hero, and so. 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:41.639 It's like, yeah, I think he when he came out 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:44.719 with his status, he also said, like, I've been cheating 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:46.800 on my wife with other women, and so that's like 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:49.960 where he like he sort of controlled the narrative on that. 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:51.760 I mean, whether that's the truth or not, I have 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:54.680 no fucking idea, but you know, like that's so he 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.280 never lost any of the like quote unquote masculinity points 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:00.559 that he's like having, you know, with it. 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:03.320 Would have gotten down so much different. You're right, yeah, 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:06.960 like he wouldn't have. I don't know, it's. 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:07.960 Like it would have been different. 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:10.280 I think if like, let's say the character in this 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:13.120 episode who's a football player who's divorced with no children 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:18.000 suddenly is like IMHIV positive, I feel like the narrative 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:19.760 would have taken a life of its own, you know, 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.799 like he knows how it would come out across across. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:26.800 So anyway, obviously there's a ton more public education that 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:29.760 AIDS and HIV can affect any group, and it's not 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:33.240 a white or a black issue obviously, And it seems also, 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:36.599 like I said at the beginning, the download phenomenon, at 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:39.559 least it probably still exists, of course, but it's died 1:10:39.600 --> 1:10:42.680 down in terms of being like now, homosexuality I think 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:45.439 is more culturally accepted across the board, and they're safer 1:10:45.840 --> 1:10:49.040 sex practices in terms of AIDS and HIV education, people 1:10:49.120 --> 1:10:52.320 know to be safer than I think they probably did 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:54.880 in the late nineties early two thousands. And there's also 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:57.280 like a flip side to this, like some researchers claim 1:10:57.320 --> 1:10:59.559 that white men are on the DL just as much 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:02.000 as black and that research that claims that this is 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:05.120 unique to black culture is just trying to like pathologize 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:08.360 black sexuality and attribute it to the spray of spread 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:11.960 of HIV while overlooking other factors like drug use and 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:15.000 poverty and things that can you know, affect the spread 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:15.400 of HIV. 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.360 So I also. 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:21.000 Found this opinion piece by a writer in twenty twenty one, 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:24.200 Ryan Lee, who wrote for The Reckoning criticizing the New 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.920 York Times magazine piece, saying that it basically created this 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:31.560 image of black gay and bisexual men as quote unquote predatory, duplicitous, 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:35.280 and responsible for alarmingly disproportionate rates of HIV among straight 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:39.400 black women. And he also wrote, quote while white gay 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:42.280 and bisexual men were granted victimhood and the narrative about 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:45.320 their lives in the closet. Any black gay man who 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:48.439 was not upfront about his sexual orientation suddenly became an 1:11:48.439 --> 1:11:52.120 aide super spreader lying in wait a pathology who's taint 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:56.240 soon splashed onto black openly gay men and ultimately black 1:11:56.280 --> 1:12:00.519 men altogether. So I think this, according to this, which 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:04.080 is very possibly true, you know, it made black men 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:07.599 out to be predators who are just like, you know, 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:12.200 not caring about their status and spreading aids, while white 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:14.559 men could be doing this just as much. And like, 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:16.880 why are we putting this all? So it's it's just 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:18.920 an interesting flip side, you know. 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.360 And so like we just mentioned every white dude and 1:12:22.439 --> 1:12:24.600 Connecticut it out cheating on his way, Yeah, I know, 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:25.879 right in the closet. 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:29.880 So that, yeah, I wonder why. And there's white people 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.639 who have sated with Yeah, like, there's white people who 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.400 have just as much like religious shame over being gay, 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:39.200 probably as they're as as like is equivalent to you know, 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:42.519 this hyper masculine shame that these that men might have. 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:46.000 Other scholars think it's also unfair to paint black culture 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.400 as more homophobic than white culture. Went back in the 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:51.320 forties and fifties, when anti gay sentiment was at an 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:54.320 all time high, Black society was way cooler with it 1:12:54.360 --> 1:12:57.000 than white society was. So is it like really fair 1:12:57.080 --> 1:12:59.760 to say, like, oh, well, to be black and gay 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:01.960 so much worse than to be white and gay. I mean, really, 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:04.040 everything you think you fell out of a coconut tree. 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:07.680 Everything exists in the context. You know, like, sure, you're 1:13:07.680 --> 1:13:09.920 white growing up in New York City might be very 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.479 different than your white growing up in like Appalachia or 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:14.559 like a place where you'd be run out of your 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.080 family if you told them you were gay. So I 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:20.000 don't know, I'm just like this, everything I've presented today 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:22.760 is just like what was written about in the early 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:25.760 two thousands when this episode came out. I'm not an 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:30.600 anthropologist or a in the you know, psychology field, so 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:33.840 I can't say, like where a lot of the like 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:35.880 what is really true or not? But I think that's 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:40.000 what the episode was trying to And and the DL 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:43.000 as a concept was featured on OZ Law and Order 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:45.320 like a ton of different TV shows, Like at this time, 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:47.840 it was like a thing people were talking about. And 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:53.680 I think now, at least if you're sort of on 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:56.040 the down low, and cheating on your wife with men 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:59.680 you're using protection, you know, or maybe not sleeping with 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:05.600 your wife. Hopefully people know, uh more save sex practices, 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:06.640 but that's not on that. 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:12.360 But also don't cheat yeaay straight HIV not like don't 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:17.559 cheat yeah yeah yeah yeah, And we don't like cheating 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:18.400 on this podcast. 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:23.960 So another case that popped up as possibly being associated. 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.080 It's a very loose but I'll just walk you guys 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:29.160 through it. It is about a high profile lawyer named 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:33.080 Frank Maccaro. He was a very high profilelawyer in Tampa, Florida, 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:36.320 and he was known to be like a hot blooded 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:38.799 Italian guy. He liked to party, he had a temper, 1:14:39.520 --> 1:14:43.679 and in nineteen ninety one he presented He represented two guys, 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:48.000 Carl Allison and Mark Urbanski. I think the former got 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:51.080 different representation halfway through the trial, but he at first 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:53.200 was representing both of them. At the end was representing 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:56.519 at least Mark or Banski. Orbanski was the son of 1:14:56.560 --> 1:15:00.800 a Tampa Tribune executive. Both of these guys were privileged, 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:03.080 like rich dudes, and they were accused of raping a 1:15:03.080 --> 1:15:06.000 woman that they met in a downtown nightclub. They were 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:10.400 of course eventually both acquitted of the assault, and Vacaro 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:12.840 was always in the news in this area, like he 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:13.719 was always getting. 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:15.680 In bar fights. He hired a bodyguard. 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:19.120 The National Organization for Women picketed him because he was 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:22.320 making this rape victim seem like a bad person, like 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:24.960 he was just being a dick. And eventually he checked 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:28.280 himself into a mental hospital after he sent a letter 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:33.040 to the victim's attorney threatening to do him a Sicilian style. 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:38.639 So after he mails a death threat to his opposing counsel, 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:42.080 he checks himself into a mental hospital, and then after 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:44.479 he gets out of the mental hospital, he opens his 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.679 law office but quickly shudders it and he never really 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:49.680 got back to law. He basically lived off the proceeds 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:51.800 of other big cases that he had won and a 1:15:51.840 --> 1:15:54.160 settlement from a nightclub that he had won where he 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:57.080 got into a fistfighter bar fight in nineteen eighty seven. 1:15:57.280 --> 1:16:00.600 So he's just living the Tampa life now as a 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:04.960 former lawyer who's like this colorful character in Tampa, you know, 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:08.960 or Florida news. He's also very connected in Tampa and 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:12.280 had all of these like judges and politicians are his friends. 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:14.479 And he used to have these epic parties at his 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:17.720 waterfront home, and then at one point in nineteen ninety two, 1:16:17.760 --> 1:16:19.680 he had a big party and he announced to all 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.240 of his friends and people that he invited that he 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:24.639 was gay, and that was a huge surprise to everybody. 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:28.479 Nobody knew that he was really big into you know, 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:32.160 Italian macho culture, and feared how this would be received. 1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:34.800 But a lot of his friends said that the coming 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:37.120 out like really changed him. He was more laid back, 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:40.240 more at peace, and so then in nineteen ninety four 1:16:40.439 --> 1:16:42.719 he sold the party house and he bought a townhouse, 1:16:42.720 --> 1:16:44.880 and he was simplifying his life. He was calming down 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:48.680 on the partying, and he met and started dating Mark W. 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:50.160 Johnson in nineteen ninety three. 1:16:50.760 --> 1:16:53.559 They were both hot heads and they had party pasts 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:57.280 and they fought a lot. But Johnson was Vaccaro's like 1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:59.800 first boyfriend, like his first love, and he was on 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:02.280 a employed and so people were skeptical like that he 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:04.720 was using Vacaro, but he took care of him, like 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:06.759 had a drink waiting for him at home, and Vacara 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:10.880 liked being taken care of. So they shared the townhouse 1:17:10.920 --> 1:17:13.240 for a year a little over a year until nineteen 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:19.440 ninety four when Vacaro was shot to death, and Johnson 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:22.439 is the one who did it. But what happened was 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:24.720 I guess a few days earlier they'd fought and apparently 1:17:24.800 --> 1:17:27.400 split for the second time. Then the night of the murder, 1:17:27.479 --> 1:17:30.200 Johnson went out to a bunch of bars looking for Vacaro, 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:30.680 being like. 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:31.160 Where is he? 1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:32.680 But like one of them he they won't even let 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:34.719 him in because he'd been banned for life for previous 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:36.960 violent behavior. So these guys were just like tearing up 1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:39.280 Tampa at the time, or they had been a couple 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:41.920 like a year or so earlier. Back at the townhouse 1:17:41.960 --> 1:17:45.439 that night, Vacara and Johnson had an argument that escalated 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:48.880 into violence. According to the police, they fought over a 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:53.040 three five seven Magnum revolver, which went off, and Vacara 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:55.120 was shot once in the neck and died at the scene. 1:17:55.160 --> 1:17:59.200 So I don't think it was a murder per se. 1:17:59.240 --> 1:18:01.080 I do think it's seemed like it was an accident 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:02.439 according to what the police said. 1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:04.160 Johnson's the one that called nine one one. 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:06.200 He didn't try to cover it up or anything, and 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:09.559 he was charged with an indictment. He was indicted with 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:12.679 first degree premeditated murder, but a jury found him guilty 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:15.120 of manslaughter with a firearm, like they found him guilty 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:16.080 of a lesser charge. 1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:17.160 He did appeal. 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:19.719 I found the appeal online, but then I can't figure 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.360 out from all the legal mumbo jumbo, like what actually happens, 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:25.680 Like I just found the appeal, so it's he was 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:27.559 given like a few years in jail when he was 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.800 originally convicted of manslaughter with a firearm, So it does 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:32.200 sound like it was an accident, but I do think 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:33.760 he should get some jail times. So I guess if 1:18:33.760 --> 1:18:35.479 anyone knows how to read legal briefs, please let me 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:37.960 know how this turned out. But I was googling him, 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:40.280 there's like nothing more recent about what happened to Mark W. 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.200 Johnson after his appeal, So. 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.439 Really sort of very lightly related in that it's about 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:47.680 like a lawyer coming out as gay, but really not 1:18:47.760 --> 1:18:50.439 a lot else is related. But I thought the guy 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:54.000 being sort of a Italian macho character also coming out 1:18:54.040 --> 1:19:00.360 to his community was interesting, and sadly he did he 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:03.960 did not live so to you know, live his truth 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:07.080 for longer than a couple of years. And that is 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:11.800 that on that and don't go anywhere because we have 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:23.280 an amazing guest today. Okay, our guest today is a 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:26.400 prolific actor who has been in some major films and 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:28.880 TV shows. Most recently, you may have seen him in 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.240 Saw X or Saw ten. I don't really know how 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.639 we're supposed to say that one, but he was also 1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.560 in classics like Waiting to Exhale and Soul Food, a 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:39.280 regular on shows like Third Watch and Sons of Anarchy. 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:41.599 You guys all know I'm a Sons of Anarchy head, 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:45.519 but you know him today as the closeted murderer bronx 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:49.360 Ada Andy Abbott. Guys, please enjoy our delightful convo with 1:19:49.520 --> 1:19:50.160 Michael Beach. 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:50.960 Yay. 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:52.639 Welcome, Michael, Yay. 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:55.480 Michael Beach, Hello, Hello. 1:19:55.960 --> 1:19:58.599 We've been trying to get you for a while. Yeah. 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.880 I'm so glad our Ski finally linked up. 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:02.880 I ducked and. 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:09.640 Dodged as long as I This is a season five episode, 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:11.519 just as I would say, S for You is really 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:15.000 like taking flight, and everybody's getting super into the show. 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:19.200 Did you like you had done Law and Order before? 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:21.200 I think you had done regular Law and Order before 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:21.559 you did this. 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:24.839 I did the first one, like, uh, maybe in the 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:28.200 second season of the first original Lawn. 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:31.480 Yeah, so you knew the dick Wolf universe. 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:36.320 Yes, particularly now. Yeah, And I had been in New 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:40.439 York because I was doing a show called Third Watch. 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:46.760 I literally just finished that show and then maybe a 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:51.519 couple of months later I did this episode. 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:55.080 And so, like, they sent you over the script for this, 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:57.680 and what were your thoughts initially. 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:58.240 When you got it? 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:01.960 Were you like, yes, I'm gonna play this closeted gay ada, 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:04.280 Like this is juicy, like what you know? 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.720 Yeah, I mean I always look for juicy stuff, to 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:11.840 be honest. I wanted to see Mariska again because I 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:18.880 we we never worked on camera on er, but you know, 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:23.799 we knew each other from that. And I was enjoying 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.519 this show, you know, watching as a as a fan, 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:30.439 and uh so I was like, oh yeah, yeah, I'd 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:33.679 love to do it, you know, so regardless of what 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:38.599 the you know, what the subject matter was. Uh And 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:41.200 then of course reading it, it was just like icing 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:43.800 on the cake because it was so juicy. 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:47.120 You know, yeah, twists and turns the very end. 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:50.439 Oh yeah, and you. 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.080 Have this like powerhouse scene with the woman that plays 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:56.240 your wife, like at the end where like she's like 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.800 begging you to let and you just like have this 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:02.160 one like tear that goes down your face. 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:04.479 Oh I got I got the Denzel one tier. 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:08.639 Yeah, oh yeah, you pulled her out. 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:14.680 Well, let me tell you something. She was. She was fantastic, 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:18.280 was very nervous because she was very new and I 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:21.840 don't I can't remember her name, forgive me, but she 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:25.680 hadn't done a lot of TV, so she didn't know 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:29.920 about the camera, about the angles, about whether it's a 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:32.880 close up or not. And even back then, today we 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:37.760 shoot with two three four cameras all the time. Back 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:40.600 then it wasn't you know, maybe you did two cameras, 1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:44.840 but you still have to worry about the master and 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:48.839 the coverage and the close up stuff like that. Today 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:53.799 it's a lot less of a concern because they almost 1:22:53.840 --> 1:22:57.599 all shoot at the same time on most shows. But 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:04.000 so she was so nervous about you know, because at 1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:06.240 one point I told I remember telling her, oh, don't 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:08.160 worry about it. It's on me, so you don't have 1:23:08.240 --> 1:23:12.120 to worry about that. So she started because we were shooting 1:23:12.160 --> 1:23:16.879 my side, so she started whispering well for some reason 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:20.200 I can't remember, and just after the take, I had 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:23.920 just gently said no you can, you could still, you know, 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:26.400 give it to me, and she was, oh, I'm so sorry. 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.200 I said, no, no, no, no problem. It's just it's 1:23:29.240 --> 1:23:32.360 it's very you know if you have never done it 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:36.360 or only done it a few times. Because everybody thinks, oh, 1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:38.360 I could be an actor. I could just yeah, you 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:42.400 just memorize your lines and blah blah blah. But technically 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:44.960 she didn't have much of a clue of what she 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:49.280 was doing. But when she locked in as an actress, 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:55.559 she was phenomenal. I mean I was. I was so 1:23:55.720 --> 1:24:01.639 impressed with her, and I just remember or that that 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:06.960 particular scene how she really really found whatever she needed 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:09.320 and she just she just hit a home run. 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:09.800 Yeah. 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:13.400 Her name was Bethany Butler. Bethany Butler. 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:17.160 Do you have any memories from the beginning of your 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:21.640 career when you were that person that like didn't realize 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:24.439 something or just kind of things you look back on 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:24.880 and laugh. 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:30.839 Yeah, I mean, you know, I gotta say, for whatever 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:34.439 reason without patting myself on the back, I don't know, 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:37.400 but it just came to me, you know, because I 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:42.760 remember my first audition and I had nothing on my 1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:48.559 resume except for school, right, and so the casting director 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:51.840 looked at my resume and I went to Juilliard, and 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:57.080 so she was totally not impressed. Right, it's just the same. 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.200 Aren't people impressed with Juilliard? 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.439 I think they usually they were back then. I have 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.160 no idea about it now. But anyway, she she was 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.960 not right, and and I hadn't said any words, so 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:11.599 it wasn't like I came in and I was like, yeah, 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.760 I just came from Julia to you know, I didn't 1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:19.519 say shit, you know, and she said, okay, listen here 1:25:20.640 --> 1:25:25.240 in film and TV, we don't we don't do the 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:29.559 big acting and the you know, blah blah blah. And 1:25:29.640 --> 1:25:32.760 I hadn't. I hadn't done anything yet, So I don't know. 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:35.439 She just had this she had a foot up her 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:40.479 ass about Juliard, I guess. So I said, okay, that's 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:43.600 that's I get it. I get it, and uh, and 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:47.920 you know, we did the scene and she was, you know, 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:54.200 she was like, oh okay, okay, she you know, I 1:25:54.760 --> 1:25:57.120 did what she asked. I brought it down and this 1:25:57.200 --> 1:26:00.400 and that, and I ended up getting that job, and 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:06.240 so I just kind of felt, I don't know, it 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:10.000 just came to me really fast. About how the how 1:26:10.439 --> 1:26:13.360 the camera was intimate. You know, it was much more 1:26:13.479 --> 1:26:21.240 intimate than what you would normally feel on stage. And 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:27.280 I just started doing In fact, I didn't do much 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:31.880 theater for years, and I just jumped into film and 1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:37.040 TV and I learned pretty quickly the dudes and the 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:41.280 don'ts and hitting your marks and all of that stuff, 1:26:41.320 --> 1:26:43.720 and how important the lighting is and make sure you 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:48.080 don't lean out of your light. And obviously as the 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:52.320 years have gone by, a lot of those details have 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:58.000 have aren't as specific because they've opened it up. You know, 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:03.360 the camera can can search for you more. The lightning 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:06.600 is a little more friendly and warm as opposed to 1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:09.360 back then when it was like that's your mark, then 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.000 on your mark, and you can't lean this way, Oh 1:27:12.040 --> 1:27:13.000 you can't leave that way. 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:13.160 You know. 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:16.479 It's a lot more forgiving today. 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.040 Wait, so you booked your first audition. 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:25.760 I did. I booked my first audition, and it was 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:29.000 the first and only time, thank god. But it was 1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:32.559 the first time I got fired from a job as well. 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:37.679 I mean before I even I didn't go to set. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.599 I didn't even make it on the plane. You know. 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:43.879 It was one of those things like, oh, we decided 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:47.080 that we're gonna go another way with another look. You know, 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:51.960 as I was at home packing my bag to fly 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:54.720 to Florida. I was in New York, gonna fly to 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:59.599 Florida to shoot this film, and got the call saying, 1:28:00.640 --> 1:28:04.440 you know that they were renigging and. 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:05.920 Going another direction. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:13.360 Going another direction, my first little feel of Hollywood. 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:14.599 Oh my gosh. 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:17.599 Well it didn't stop you because you literally have been 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:20.000 working NonStop for over thirty years. 1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:20.880 Thirty five years. 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:25.200 I mean, yeah, it's going to be forty years next year. Yeah, 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:25.880 something like that. 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:28.559 Crazy. Were you a theater kid? 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:29.519 Uh? 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:33.479 No, Actually I didn't start theater till my last year 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:38.040 of high school. And that was because I was I 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:43.479 was a football player who had hopes of playing in college, 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:47.639 had a few decent colleges looking at me. I got 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:53.680 hurt at the beginning or the end of my like 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:58.679 the beginning of my junior year, and then that's. 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.160 When I long story, I don't know if you want 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:03.639 to hear a long story, but I got Somebody asked 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.519 me if I would audition for a play, and I 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:08.640 was like, that's ridiculous. 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:11.680 Why would you ask me that? And I said no 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:14.160 a few times and then I finally said yes, and 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:18.040 I auditioned, and I fell in love. You know, I 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:22.400 did a it was it was the diary of Anne Frank, 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:27.000 you know, about the family hiding out in the Holocaust 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:32.400 during hiding out in Germany during the Holocaust, which was 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:40.240 odd for seventeen eighteen year old young black kid, but 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.760 I did. And I fell in love with rehearsal and 1:29:44.840 --> 1:29:49.400 with exploring and asking all the questions about why this 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:52.840 and why that, and how would you deal with this 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:56.720 situation and deal with that? And from that, I just 1:29:57.479 --> 1:30:01.439 I auditioned for every play while I was still there. 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:06.800 It's probably about a under a year, and uh, and 1:30:06.840 --> 1:30:10.919 I probably did maybe four or five plays, one musical 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:15.400 and which and I never sang before either, so that 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:16.320 was funny. 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:17.120 Uh. 1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:20.559 And then and then auditioned for the theater schools and 1:30:20.560 --> 1:30:25.680 and got into them and was told I should go 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:30.360 to Juilliard and I said, Okay, that's so cool and 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:35.160 way less concussions, I would say, with that sway way less, 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:35.840 way less. 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:40.599 You have played like just like browsing through your thing. 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:42.720 You've played in this year an eighty A. 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:46.240 But and you've played like a ton of cops, lawyers, 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:49.479 a f b I agent. Yeah, you're like a big 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.760 law enforcement guy, do you love? But then also I'm 1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:55.640 a huge Sons of Anarchy fan where I know you 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:59.559 from as well. So what's your what's your? It's kind 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.360 of a like, do you prefer good guys or bad guys? 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:05.280 But like, is are the bad guys so much more 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:07.360 fun to play? That's what most people tell us, But. 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:11.479 I think it's true because they're more complicated, you know, 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:15.480 they have more meat to play with, you know, more grit, 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:20.800 and you know, without in my opinion, you never see 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:25.440 yourself as good or bad. You know you just you you. 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:29.360 You have something you want and you're going for that 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:32.000 right and then you have all your obstacles and you 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:35.599 have the actions the way in which you go about 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:38.400 getting what you want. And that's kind of that's why 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:41.200 people either see you as good or bad because of 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:46.200 the actions you take, in my opinion, and it's just 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:54.720 usually more fun when the person has more obstacles to 1:31:55.680 --> 1:32:00.840 deal with. And I think as a good guy, you 1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:04.800 know you just you, you know you, I've gotta say this, 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:07.679 so I've got to do that, and it's it's can 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:11.760 be a little boring sometimes, you know, so, I mean 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:15.360 it's always great if you can get a good guy 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:21.400 who you know, has has some negative qualities. 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:25.600 You know, I think this guy seems like he was 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:29.760 a good guy right up until he killed someone, like 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:31.320 the guy you play in this episode. 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:31.720 You know. 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:34.680 Yeah, that's kind of that kind of changes things when 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:35.599 you kill somebody. 1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:39.640 Yeah, yeah, that just crime of passion. Though, besides that, 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.000 he seems like a good dad. You know, he's got 1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:44.680 a cute little kid. Wait, I have to ask you 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:48.200 about another project that you're doing that just got the 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:49.280 portrailer just came out. 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:50.920 You're going to be in the Perfect Couple. 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:57.480 Yes, Yes, we interviewed We interviewed the showrunner Jenna Lemia. 1:32:57.160 --> 1:32:57.880 On our own pod. 1:32:58.080 --> 1:33:03.439 Yeah yeah, yeah, Meghan Fahi on Yes her episode of 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:04.200 s view is. 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:06.840 I mean, she's like phenomenal. 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:11.320 But but like, yeah, this feels like it's going to 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:16.360 be like the new hot family drama like water Polar. 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:17.799 Show that everyone's going to be talking about. 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:21.839 Yeah, it's just it's a limited series. It's only six episodes. 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:24.320 Yeah, but you're in all six. So what's your character? 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:29.320 Oh yeah, yeah, well I'm I'm the chief of police, okay, 1:33:29.439 --> 1:33:33.479 and so I'm the one investigating. There's a murder, and 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:38.040 I'm the one we know. I think it's an accidental drowning, 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:46.160 but there's basically a murder, and everyone in the show 1:33:46.479 --> 1:33:51.840 is a suspect, and and so I am investigating and 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:56.320 questioning everyone trying to find out who the murderer is. 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:59.200 And it's a family that has all these secrets, right, 1:33:59.240 --> 1:33:59.680 It's like this. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:06.320 Very wealthy Nantucket family. Nicole Kidman is the is the mom, 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:10.400 and leav Schreibers the dad, and and then they have 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:13.080 their kids and there's a there's a wedding going on 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:19.479 or the day the wedding is happening, somebody is yea, 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:25.240 and then the whole show is about trying to figure 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:27.200 out who that person is. 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:30.520 I can't wait to see it. And the coda Fannings 1:34:30.520 --> 1:34:30.960 in this. 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:34.400 Yeah, Kota Fanning, Yeah, it's got it. It's a great cast. 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:40.560 It's got like a really strong group of young actors 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:42.920 who are phenomenal. 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:43.679 Yeah. 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:47.080 Well yeah, Kara texted me, yeah, to remind me because 1:34:47.439 --> 1:34:52.680 when we interviewed the writer the Writer's Show, she was like, 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:55.640 I'm kind of working on something, like I'm trying to 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:56.280 write this thing. 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:57.759 And then to see the trailer. 1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:00.280 That was because we interviewed her like a couple of 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:03.120 years ago, like Pandemic was like winding down, but she'd 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:06.720 been kind of like, you know, working on this adaptation 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:09.400 of like a beach Read. And then I saw the 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:11.400 commercial and I was like, this sounds familiar. And then 1:35:11.400 --> 1:35:13.280 when I was look, hey, you're on IMDb, I was like, oh, 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.160 and we're talking to Michael be like right, all as 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:17.920 the trailers coming out, we're getting all this all this 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:18.840 perfect couple. 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:22.320 Goss, this is awesome. Obviously you were excited to see Marishka. 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.559 Did you were you? Did you have any memories with 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:29.480 either Iced Tea or Christopher Maloney or just any memories 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:31.560 from the set. 1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:34.600 No, just you know, iced Ty and I talked a 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:41.439 little bit, not much, and I remember having fun with 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:44.880 Mariska and Chris because you know, it was one of 1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:48.879 those things where and they're very cool with their guest stars. 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:52.160 That show is very cool with their guest stars. But 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:56.880 a lot of times when guest stars come on and 1:35:56.920 --> 1:36:00.160 they mess up something or you know, and I I 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:03.320 just know this from when they come on shows I've 1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:06.600 been regulars on that. You know, this is why you 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:10.320 really have to you have to kind of help no 1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:15.160 matter what, you gotta kind of help guests along, right, 1:36:15.240 --> 1:36:20.400 because they're nervous. You know. Obviously if you're very new, 1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:23.679 you could be nervous, but even if a seasoned person 1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:28.919 can be nervous coming on a big show. And oftentimes guests, 1:36:29.320 --> 1:36:32.320 especially if they're the main guest or you know, one 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:34.639 or two of the main guests, they have a lot 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:38.240 of stuff to do because it's their story that you're 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:44.439 trying to pick apart, right, So I just remember them, 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:48.120 you know, whenever you flub on the line, like I have. 1:36:48.200 --> 1:36:51.600 If we're doing a walk and talk, so the the 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:54.360 guy's got a steady cam on his back and they're 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.960 either pulling you so they're in front of you, or 1:36:57.000 --> 1:37:00.559 they're pushing you so they're following you. Right. In this 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:05.880 particular case, I had a lot of the dialogue and 1:37:06.360 --> 1:37:12.360 they're they're pushing us, so they're behind us, and I'm 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:16.920 in the front and Mariska and Crista behind me and 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:20.679 the camera's following us, and I'm talking. I'm like, yeah, 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:23.599 blah blah blah, I'm grabbing shit here, grabbing shit there, 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:29.479 talk talk talk, And I just remember, uh, flubbing on 1:37:29.640 --> 1:37:35.320 my lines, but instead of talking, instead of stopping, I 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:38.880 just said some ship. And then Mariska came in with 1:37:39.040 --> 1:37:41.960 her line and Chris came in, and then we were 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:44.320 able to just pick it, pick up and keep going 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:48.360 and you know, and and so after the after the take, 1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:52.559 you know, Mariska and Chris are like, man, it's so 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:55.760 good to work with somebody who knows that you just 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:59.280 keep going, you know, especially for the shot right because 1:37:59.640 --> 1:38:04.240 if they were pulling us, it's different because now my 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:07.679 face is on camera, and so if I mess up 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:12.639 and it's and it's really noticeable, you can't cut into 1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:16.280 that because because the because of the movement of the camera, 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:20.960 you know, and but they're not, so you can just 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:26.200 keep going and it's still usable footage, you know. So 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:30.200 stuff like that where you know, I mean, that's one 1:38:30.200 --> 1:38:33.280 of the things I remember. But they you know, just 1:38:34.160 --> 1:38:39.240 how it's so fun to be able to come into 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:46.080 another persons show and you know, just just feel good 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:49.720 and be accepted and go, oh, well we we. 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.920 We appreciate you being here and and you know, bringing 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:56.720 whatever whatever skill set I have and stuff like that, 1:38:56.800 --> 1:39:00.120 and a few few things like that with the with 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:02.880 with her and Chris that's so. 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:04.920 I'm so glad you talked about it. 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:08.040 The first note on my page before it says walk 1:39:08.080 --> 1:39:12.439 In talks because he looked you were like carrying boxes, 1:39:12.439 --> 1:39:14.439 there were sheets, you were going from one room to 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:18.080 the hallway, and it was yeah, it was noticing. 1:39:18.160 --> 1:39:22.919 It's probably it's probably that scene, Yeah, in my office. 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.120 I think you mentioned. 1:39:25.240 --> 1:39:27.840 Even if you're seasoned, sometimes being a guest star on 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:31.080 a show, you do get like nervous. Do you remember 1:39:31.400 --> 1:39:35.360 any in particular that you were more nervous than others 1:39:35.800 --> 1:39:36.639 or anything like that. 1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:40.600 I'm always nervous, to be honest with you. Yeah, the 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:44.960 nerves don't go away. You just learn how to fenagle 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:47.760 them a little better, you know. But in general, I'm 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:53.720 always I like to prepare my ass off because you 1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:56.880 never know. A lot of times you just don't know, 1:39:58.080 --> 1:40:02.639 especially if you don't know the act or but believe 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:06.920 it or not, there are times when the main cast 1:40:07.200 --> 1:40:10.639 or some of the main casts are not warm and 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:16.280 friendly and inviting, and they don't care what you've done 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:19.439 or haven't done, or that you're here on this show 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:22.240 or whatever, and maybe they're having a bad day or whatever. 1:40:22.280 --> 1:40:26.800 Who knows, So you just have to be ready. You 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:30.160 have to be prepared, and so I make it a 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:36.240 I make it a habit to particularly on my first 1:40:36.360 --> 1:40:40.160 day of a show when I'm if I'm doing a recurring, 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:45.559 I don't usually anymore do like a one episode thing, 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:49.839 but I will. I don't know, it depends, but in general, 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:54.599 like I do large recurrings or regular but if it's 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.559 a show I really like and say, oh yeah, yeah, 1:40:57.640 --> 1:41:01.240 let's go on that. But I gotta be ready. I 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:06.600 gotta be prepared because just by the nature of this business, 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:11.960 something is going to happen. Yeah, and it's gonna pull 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:16.519 your attention or it's gonna you know, the main guy 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:20.880 is late and you have less time to do the 1:41:20.920 --> 1:41:24.519 scene and whatever. You know, there's noise there. You know, 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:28.120 the sets are run differently, blah blah blah. So if 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:32.040 you have a lot of dialogue or something deep or heavy, 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:38.160 it's just smart to be ready so that you don't 1:41:38.200 --> 1:41:46.440 get thrown by either a small thing or a multitude 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:50.439 of small things or something big. You know. So I'm 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:56.080 I'm yeah, I haven't gotten over nervousness. I think I 1:41:56.720 --> 1:42:00.880 deal with it well, but I still have it. I 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:04.919 still feel it, you know, Yeah, yeah. 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:07.280 It's somebody has to like send a memo to like 1:42:07.400 --> 1:42:10.240 all the number one on all the call sheets and 1:42:10.240 --> 1:42:13.439 be like, if you just act like Murushka Hargete, you're 1:42:13.720 --> 1:42:16.560 gonna be on for twenty five seasons, you know exactly. 1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:22.400 So it really does it really does matter, not just 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:25.720 to guess people, but if you know, I've been on 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:30.559 shows where you know, let's say there's eight regulars, right, 1:42:30.680 --> 1:42:34.320 and so the crew either knows they're going to have 1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:38.640 a good day or a bad day based on whatever number, 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.720 because you know, the number one guy two, three on 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:44.400 the call sheet, right, the call sheet lists all the 1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:49.960 actors and and and in order, and so they're really 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:52.519 known as number one or two or four or five 1:42:52.640 --> 1:42:55.960 or whatever. And so if you know, if you're on 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:59.800 the crew and you know, like number five has three 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:05.400 scenes today and that person never knows their lines or 1:43:05.960 --> 1:43:09.920 doesn't hit their marks or is always complaining about the 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:14.120 writing or whatever it is, so you know the crew, 1:43:14.280 --> 1:43:17.640 so obviously the guest actor is gonna be in for 1:43:18.520 --> 1:43:22.040 a little trouble, but the crew knows, oh shit, okay, 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:25.559 so what could have been a ten hour day is 1:43:25.640 --> 1:43:28.280 now going to be a thirteen hour day. You know, 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:32.240 or if it's a number two and they know Number 1:43:32.240 --> 1:43:35.200 two knows their lines. They you know that they're going 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:37.840 to be friendly and warm and da da da. So 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:41.000 we're doing it. We're doing a ten hour day, maybe 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:43.120 a nine hour day, you know. 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:47.680 And that trickles down to everybody's happiness exactly. 1:43:47.880 --> 1:43:51.720 That's the whole point, right, And it's like, why are 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:54.719 we You know, if you have problems with the script 1:43:54.840 --> 1:43:58.839 or the scenes or whatever, and especially if you're a regular, 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:01.800 you need to deal with that shit before you come 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:04.479 to the set, not when you get to the set, 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:08.519 because now you're wasting everybody's time, and you can actually 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:12.559 have some discussion and some time to figure it out 1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.720 and work it out so that you come to the 1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:18.519 set happy because you're like, oh, I understand this, I 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:23.400 understand that, and I wanted to try this, and I 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:25.920 thought this line could be and you and you worked 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:29.080 it out with the writers before you came to set, 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:33.920 and so now things can move. But if you just 1:44:34.040 --> 1:44:36.519 come to the set to complain about that, you just 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:38.439 wasted everybody's time. 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:41.840 Oh I bet you could really name names. One hundred 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:46.080 and seventy seventy credits. You could really name some names 1:44:47.080 --> 1:44:49.439 I'd love to hear it. I feel like you've dropped 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:53.920 a lot of lessons for everyone listening. Yeah, really insightful stuff. 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:57.439 Well, I love, I love, I love what I do. 1:44:57.600 --> 1:45:00.320 I really do. I mean, I really enjoy it. I 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:04.080 feel I feel privileged to be able to still be 1:45:04.240 --> 1:45:11.160 doing it, and it's yeah, I'm I'm definitely grateful. 1:45:11.920 --> 1:45:15.120 Yeah, and your career shows it. I know this has 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:16.040 all been amazing. 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:18.880 Thank you, and we can't wait to watch you know, 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:20.400 the perfect, perfect. 1:45:20.000 --> 1:45:25.080 Couple, perfect couple, perfect cuple and don't forget about you 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:30.560 know right now still Mayor of Kingstown is on Paramount Plus. 1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:36.760 We have I think three more episodes left and that's all. 1:45:36.840 --> 1:45:41.200 That's a blast. That was a great show to be on. Yeah, 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:46.280 and also on Paramount Plus. I think The Perfect Couple 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:52.600 comes out September fifth on Netflix, and then on September fifteen, 1:45:53.880 --> 1:46:00.080 season two of Tulsa king with Sliced Alone, which I 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:03.360 did season one in season two, and that that comes 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:05.479 out on Paramount Plus as well. 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:09.759 So got so many, so many irons in the fire, Michael, 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:12.400 I'm so glad that our schedules finally lined up. I'm 1:46:12.439 --> 1:46:14.360 so glad you could take the time, we really really 1:46:14.400 --> 1:46:15.080 appreciate it. 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:21.599 I was obsessed with him inspiring as. 1:46:21.600 --> 1:46:25.800 Fuck, so great, so great, what a great stuff. And 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:28.000 I actually brought him up to you know, I've been 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.000 talking about him. I really liked him, but I brought 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:32.200 him up to Clark and he is here. He knew exactly, 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:34.280 and we started doing impressions of him, like he is 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:39.680 an icon and a hero, and it just felt like, 1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:42.400 I just feel special we get to talk to such 1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:43.240 great people like that. 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:46.240 Yeah, totally, he was great and he is somebody that 1:46:46.280 --> 1:46:48.880 we like. We had it said and then it got 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:50.920 moved and then like, so we're just happy that our 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:53.200 everybody was able to be patient and wait for it 1:46:53.240 --> 1:46:54.760 to come together so we could talk to him. 1:46:54.760 --> 1:46:58.240 But he was I just felt like I knew that 1:46:58.280 --> 1:47:01.080 Walk and Talk was special, and then him bringing it 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:04.479 up like that, that meant a lot to me because 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:06.040 it looked hard. 1:47:06.160 --> 1:47:08.160 It looked hard. It was hard, a hard. 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:13.160 One, but looked hard. SVU is like walk and Talk 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:15.000 like boot camp. For like, if you want to later 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:17.519 go be on an Aaron Sorkin show, probably you like 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:19.160 have to be in an SVU and do it walk 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:21.360 and Talk and then you can be in one of 1:47:21.400 --> 1:47:25.599 his shows. But damn, I mean, we've been doing it 1:47:25.640 --> 1:47:28.400 feels like a lot of AIDS related content lately, because 1:47:28.439 --> 1:47:31.000 the show really did tackle a lot of AIDS related 1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:33.880 content because it came about in the late nineties, and 1:47:34.600 --> 1:47:36.559 I think it was just like it. I mean, it 1:47:36.720 --> 1:47:41.840 still is obviously an important topic of conversation, but back 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:44.360 in the I don't know, there was just more panic 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:46.120 around it, and then in the late nineties and the 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:49.479 two thousands, and I think the show definitely mined a 1:47:49.479 --> 1:47:53.000 lot of that, but also interesting, It was interesting to 1:47:53.000 --> 1:47:58.120 read about this whole down low thing because I just 1:47:58.120 --> 1:48:02.040 don't know if it's real or not, you know what 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:04.200 I mean. Like, I think it was definitely a real 1:48:04.240 --> 1:48:06.559 thing that this guy like reported on, but like reporters 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:08.160 are always like putting spins on it. 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:10.160 And Oprah talked to like a guy who wrote a 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:10.839 whole book. 1:48:10.640 --> 1:48:13.960 About this, you know, And so I think it is real, 1:48:14.000 --> 1:48:16.160 But what is you know, the coconut tree? 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:18.160 What is the context of what was happening around? 1:48:18.160 --> 1:48:21.439 Are we trying to paint black people as like HIV 1:48:21.600 --> 1:48:23.960 predator super spreadators in this situation? 1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:24.960 I don't know. 1:48:25.000 --> 1:48:26.760 That's why I'm kind of hesitant to be like, Oh, 1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:28.759 this is an actual phenomenon that was happening. 1:48:28.920 --> 1:48:33.479 No, this is this is a thing with straight men period. 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:35.920 Like the Connecticut they just the Connecticut men just have 1:48:35.960 --> 1:48:38.240 a different name for it, like this is just you know, 1:48:38.280 --> 1:48:40.320 I told you that this is what I would see 1:48:40.960 --> 1:48:44.640 in Chicago, where it's you know, they're calling it the 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:48.120 down low and they have their own kind of homophobia 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:50.559 to deal with as a culture, and then we have 1:48:50.720 --> 1:48:53.120 our own and I don't know what it's called when 1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:55.720 all the straight Connecticut daddies come to New York to 1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:56.639 get their dick sucked. 1:48:56.840 --> 1:48:57.360 Well, you know what. 1:48:57.439 --> 1:48:59.680 I was just talking to a friend recently at a 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:02.240 brunch with a bunch of people that I know from Connecticut, 1:49:02.280 --> 1:49:05.759 and they were like, oh, I know people who guys 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:09.960 come out to Connecticut for that. They come out like 1:49:10.240 --> 1:49:13.839 a guest house. Okay, yeah, I don't know what where's happening, 1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:16.160 what's going on? But because we were talking about it, 1:49:16.240 --> 1:49:18.439 we went to high school together in a Connecticut town. 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:20.640 We're like, oh, do you think like a lot of 1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:23.439 the there were any like closeted dads like where we 1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:25.960 And my friend was like, oh, I know exactly who 1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:28.320 the closeted dads were like I could tell you like 1:49:28.360 --> 1:49:30.120 this one girl was saying that. I was like, no way, 1:49:30.600 --> 1:49:32.240 and I was saying, oh for me, the dads were 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:34.439 just invisible growing up, Like I never met any dads. 1:49:34.439 --> 1:49:37.200 I only met moms. But but like. 1:49:37.479 --> 1:49:40.400 Uh yeah, and my friend who is a gay guy, 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:42.120 I was like, I know guys who go out on 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:45.960 Metro North for a little you know, a little a 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:47.559 little straight daddy. 1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:48.120 How's it going. 1:49:48.280 --> 1:49:51.240 Yeah, But I don't think it's spun it like the 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:53.560 black community are AIDS spreaders. 1:49:53.720 --> 1:49:57.000 I think it's like, you know, denial. They don't even 1:49:57.000 --> 1:50:02.640 think they're gay. Like but also so like it just 1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:04.960 seems silly, like I'm not going to bring condoms because 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:06.240 then you're admitting what you're doing. 1:50:06.280 --> 1:50:06.439 You know. 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:09.720 It's like so much shame and swirling around in that. 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:12.120 Like I don't think he thought he gave it to 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:14.240 his wife, you know, I don't think he didn't tell 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:17.559 her on purpose. Like I don't think it's it's not 1:50:17.600 --> 1:50:20.439 like that other episode that we covered the rooftop where 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:26.520 the guy was purposely infecting young girls with AIDS. 1:50:25.560 --> 1:50:28.040 It's a couple of episodes like that. 1:50:28.160 --> 1:50:31.000 I feel like there's another one where it's like a 1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:32.000 white guy doing it. 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:37.240 Oh yeah, I mean spreading aids is uh sees no color. 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:40.800 Anyone can do that, anyone, Yes, yes, But. 1:50:42.400 --> 1:50:44.880 I think it's a real thing. I think it's all 1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:46.040 not fair. 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:48.639 People have to hide and not be who they are 1:50:48.680 --> 1:50:52.639 and do all these weird games and kill their friends. Also, 1:50:52.680 --> 1:50:54.519 if you're going to set up someone, you got to 1:50:54.560 --> 1:50:57.280 smear the lipstick on that condom, Like that is a 1:50:57.360 --> 1:51:01.120 lesson for sure. That God, you just you think you 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:03.600 know it all and it's like this one that that 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:04.240 to me was. 1:51:04.200 --> 1:51:06.759 The ringer for me, Like I know that I would 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:08.960 be like setting up a crime that I've just committed. 1:51:08.960 --> 1:51:11.200 I'd be like setting it up. Then I'm like asleep 1:51:11.240 --> 1:51:12.840 two days later and I wake up in the middle. 1:51:12.880 --> 1:51:15.439 Then eyes fly open and I'm like, I didn't see 1:51:15.560 --> 1:51:17.519 lipstick on the condom, Like I know, I would like 1:51:17.560 --> 1:51:19.599 remember that later, you know. It's like you just remember 1:51:19.600 --> 1:51:21.080 that one little thing we were. 1:51:20.920 --> 1:51:26.240 Like fuck like so well, I'm like fighting every urge 1:51:26.280 --> 1:51:29.040 right now. So I have this E six thousand glue 1:51:29.080 --> 1:51:31.280 and it's like very intense glue. 1:51:31.400 --> 1:51:31.920 Oh my god. 1:51:31.960 --> 1:51:34.200 My friend was telling me about that yesterday she said 1:51:34.200 --> 1:51:36.760 that like shit like literally causes like birth defects and 1:51:36.760 --> 1:51:39.920 you have to like use it outside. She's like, this 1:51:40.000 --> 1:51:42.040 shit's like we were talking about super glue, and I 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:44.120 was like, oh my god, I use superglue so much 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:46.400 to fix all the shit that my kids break, and 1:51:46.439 --> 1:51:48.679 she goes, oh, I use the E six thousand or whatever. 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:52.120 But it's like it's like bad for you. She said, 1:51:52.320 --> 1:51:54.759 maybe it's different. Is that like a super super super 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:55.960 glue or. 1:51:55.880 --> 1:51:58.160 Is that just as like flexible I put it. No, 1:51:58.320 --> 1:52:00.920 it's because my handle on my fridge broke and I 1:52:00.960 --> 1:52:04.240 put it on there too. Y. It's a flexible industrial 1:52:04.240 --> 1:52:05.240 strength adhesive. 1:52:05.680 --> 1:52:08.280 She said. It will literally glue like glass to metal. 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:12.680 Like it's like really really like fucking hardcore. Yeah, no, 1:52:12.720 --> 1:52:14.280 I love it. It just takes long time to dry. 1:52:14.320 --> 1:52:16.519 But I've been picking on the like what is this 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:19.720 metal tip called on like this part and all it 1:52:19.760 --> 1:52:21.840 had all those dried glues, So I've been having a 1:52:21.920 --> 1:52:24.160 fun time like trying to pick off the thick layers 1:52:24.200 --> 1:52:27.439 of it. And I am holding it and playing with 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:29.519 it right now, and I obviously want to put it 1:52:29.560 --> 1:52:31.519 into my candle and burn it, but I think that 1:52:31.560 --> 1:52:35.080 would be scary and I'm not going to That's what 1:52:35.160 --> 1:52:37.400 I'm talking about it because I just I had a 1:52:37.479 --> 1:52:39.479 vision of me doing it and then you guys just 1:52:39.520 --> 1:52:41.519 seeing like ah explosion and. 1:52:41.479 --> 1:52:44.679 The glass well like and my friend like just told 1:52:44.680 --> 1:52:46.240 me it's like toxic and bad for you. 1:52:46.400 --> 1:52:48.040 So I don't think you should be burning in your 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:49.720 own I know not to. 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:53.840 I'm just telling you the arge, yes, yes, the odd 1:52:53.920 --> 1:52:56.639 natural urge to want to burn a toxic chemical in 1:52:56.680 --> 1:52:57.880 your candle. I get it. 1:52:57.920 --> 1:53:02.280 I get it anyway with this, I just like love 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:03.479 this glue. I don't know. 1:53:03.640 --> 1:53:06.160 I can't believe it says that toxic, but I can 1:53:06.280 --> 1:53:07.439 believe it. I can't believe it. 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:12.080 I mean, please, what's not toxic these days? Okay, let's 1:53:12.160 --> 1:53:13.920 move on. Huh to what would sister Peg do? 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:15.880 Yes? Yes, okay. 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:18.759 This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards 1:53:18.800 --> 1:53:20.240 an organization. 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:23.080 Or a blog post. 1:53:23.160 --> 1:53:25.360 I always say blog posts, Like what am I like 1:53:25.479 --> 1:53:28.519 living in tumbler world of two thousand and three? You 1:53:28.600 --> 1:53:33.000 saying blog posts is like when I say nightclubbing. Yes, totally, 1:53:33.160 --> 1:53:35.559 totally I'm going to go blog post in a nightclub. 1:53:36.360 --> 1:53:39.679 But it's you know, we just give you more information 1:53:39.720 --> 1:53:41.400 about what we talked about today, or send you to 1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:44.080 an organization that we'll have more information where you can donate, 1:53:44.200 --> 1:53:46.479 read more, et cetera. And I wanted to point you 1:53:46.520 --> 1:53:49.479 guys to the National Black Justice Collective, which we first 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:54.479 came to know about through a queen on drag Race 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:57.679 called Angeria who we love Injuria? 1:53:57.760 --> 1:53:58.680 What is it Injeria? 1:53:58.680 --> 1:54:02.840 Paris some Michaels van Michaels, that's right, And it's a 1:54:02.880 --> 1:54:06.720 civil rights organization dedicated to the empowerment of black LGBTQ 1:54:06.840 --> 1:54:10.839 plus people, including people living with HIV AIDS, through coalition building, 1:54:11.040 --> 1:54:14.160 federal policy change, research, and education. Their mission is to 1:54:14.280 --> 1:54:18.400 end racism, homophobia, and LGBTQ plus bias and stigma. For 1:54:18.479 --> 1:54:20.360 more information on how you can get involved and take 1:54:20.400 --> 1:54:24.599 action with this group, head over to NBJC dot org. 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.200 And as always, that will be in our show notes 1:54:27.240 --> 1:54:29.640 that will be shared as a story the day this 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:33.920 episode comes out and then saved forever in our WWSPD highlights. 1:54:34.440 --> 1:54:34.760 Damn. 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:38.320 Thank you so much for that. 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