WEBVTT - Icon #3: Ms. Piggy w/ Jamie Loftus 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:02.360 I got Blueberry Mango I found. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:06.920 I found it the other day. I was like, all right, group, Yeah, blu. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.720 Group remember those Intel commercials icons? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.600 Group Group is coming? 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.239 Is that on your list? Blue Man Group? 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.919 It's not, but it's just an added blue group ship. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.120 Yeah, Blue Man groups definitely Blue Man Group. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:31.520 Oh yeah, there's nothing funnier than a Blue Man Group revealed. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.280 There's like a literary fiction writer who I really like. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.760 I was on her Wikipedia page and it was like 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.280 she was formal she's divorced from a blue Man and 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.760 you're like, oh wow, You're like that's who that book 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:42.240 was about. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.840 That's crazy because they're all like these like art dudes 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.560 from New York. Is how it started, and then it 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.600 just turned into like a Vegas It was like such 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:50.560 a New York thing. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.480 I felt like, Yeah, they're like like ex Brooklyn guys 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.520 who like needed work. And I was like, wow, she 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.680 got her heart stomped on by a blue Man that 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:00.120 I hear. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.360 You ought to know is actually about bloom Blue Man. Yeah, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.600 that's right. A lot of the founding Blue Man. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.840 Hello the Internet, and welcome to this spinoff episode of Guys, 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.200 which we're calling the Iconograph. Instead of looking at the 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.840 zeitgeist through current events. We're looking at it through the 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:26.640 lens of the powerful pop cultural hore cruxes that are 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.080 our icons. We use these characters to create meaning, to 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:36.080 build identity, to learn conversational French, to know the appropriate 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.679 sound to make when beating the shit out of our 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.759 long term boyfriend, which is there? 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.280 It is hell, that's right. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.080 In this episode we're talking Piggy's Miss Piggy, if you're nasty, 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:49.760 and that's why I did leave it for you, Miles, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.160 with apologies to Kermit the Frog and David Bowie's codpiece, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.120 maybe the most famous and beloved of Jim Henson's creations, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.600 Miss Piggy, to be joined, as always by my co host, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.200 mister Oh. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.560 I love this. I love it. I love it. Starting 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.119 off and I'm like, it's this, that's not you know, we're. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:15.840 Habitual, habitual doing the show one way. That's great, great. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.320 I love the topic, dude. I love a good love 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.600 a good hy Yah. It's like an earworm. It's like 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.960 an earworm of a thing when you really get it 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.880 like that, it's smart, that's right, it's hitting it tingles 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:30.760 the brain a little bit. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.679 Little tease. It is the first thing. It's the thing 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.080 that crystallized the character for Francos when he did, like 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.320 he improvised that, and it was like, oh, this is 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.280 when I understood the character for the first time. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:46.400 Drugs with this guy. Wow, oh fuck, yeah, this is 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:47.400 a character. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.320 I found it well. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.160 That who you heard in the background in our third seat? 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.560 One of the very faces on Mount Zeitemore an Emmy 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.280 nominated writer, artist, comedian behind many of the most acclaimed 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.000 podcasts like Cast, Ghost Church, The Bechdel Cast, Sixteenth Minute 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.720 of Fame. She's the New York Times best selling author 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.400 of Raw Dolgh. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:17.519 It's Jamie Loft, Jamie. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:20.080 Hell yeah, hell yeah. Feels good, right good, I feel good. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.600 I don't think I've ever hit someone with the high yah. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:23.200 You know. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.120 Yeah, just like a cute thing to do to your partner, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.600 as long as you don't like fucking smash. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.080 Actually she's like a powerful attack she had, Like she 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:41.800 was like, yeah, his arms, have you seen his arms? 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.120 Oh my god, he goes There have to be ones 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:46.800 where he just goes flying, right. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.080 Yeah, there is there, yeah, where he just goes flying 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.200 like it's a fucking explosion and a mission impossible, Like. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.240 And I get a YouTube. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.600 If there's like a basic Piggy compilations just her fucking 0:03:58.600 --> 0:03:59.320 ship up. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:03:59.920 I don't like it. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.880 I found one earlier. Guys, thank you so much for joining. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.920 Jamie so so excited to have you here for this. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:13.040 I did hear your Bechdel Cast episode about the Muppet Movie, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.160 so I was like, gotta have Jamie on for Miss 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.600 Piggy because you're you're a Piggy Stan. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:19.760 I'm a Piggy Stan. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.599 I wish, I wish I was more like her, but 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.400 I feel like everyone has their inner Miss Piggy. But yeah, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.560 I really need to start, uh, you know, really hitting 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:32.240 people more. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.880 I think that's that's what we're learning. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.320 The main takeaway, yeah and. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.760 Whatever vo She doesn't really understand French, but she sprinkles 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.560 it throughout and that's cute. Do you guys have like 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.080 a singular like, oh, that's when I when Miss Piggy 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.240 was crystallized for me in your memory. Like I was 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:57.760 looking back and I was like, oh, I think the 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.520 first time I encountered her was on those like reading 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:06.159 posters in elementary school classrooms like she was, and then 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.840 that was the first time I encountered grown up Miss Piggy. 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.719 Because I knew Miss Piggy from Muppet Babies. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.120 Right right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.000 I think for me it probably starts like anyone I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.360 was like, it was always Kermit and Miss Piggy in 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:19.800 my mind. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.799 Yeah, so I a couple. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.000 I can't think of, like even if I knew Kermit 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.559 before Miss Piggy. I feel like to me, they entered 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.680 my brain at the same time, even though I think, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.200 what Kermit she didn't? It was always Kermit first. But look, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.880 I was a kid, it was the eighties. I didn't 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.760 know shit, we're going to get into it. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.000 I think my entry point to Miss Piggy. I think 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:43.240 the first Mubbet thing I remember seeing is Muppet Treasure Island. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.279 I have a vivid memory of getting into a big 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.760 fight with my cousin because we were fighting over because 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.000 the kid who plays Jim Hawkins, we both had a 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.880 crush on him and we were fighting over who gets 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.080 to marry him, and it was. 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.520 The marriage right and we start. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.440 We would do that over every like boy protagonist in 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.200 a movie. We also did it over There's a movie 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.760 called Casper A New Beginning, and there was an identical 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.320 looking boy that we would just we would hie out 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.200 each other for this, like you know, mysterious child's hand 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:17.719 in marriage. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.840 So I remember miss pegging that Muppet Christmas Carol. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.760 I feel like I saw the movies before I saw 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.440 the ever saw the TV show right. 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.839 Real quick, some kind of icon bona fee D's because 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.599 last week we talked about how popular Arcle was that 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.560 you know, every season from season two through seven of 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.640 his show like destroyed. What the most watched TV in 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.200 modern times is? I think it was like pulling in 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.719 twenty to twenty seven million viewers a week. The most 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:52.000 viewed show currently is Monday Night Football at like sixteen 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.120 million people. I just want to read this description of 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.719 the Muppet Show when it was on. It aired in 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:04.160 over one hundred countries and had a weekly worldwide audience 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.280 by nineteen seventy eight of two hundred and thirty five 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:12.360 million people. No fucking way stop, because it was everywhere. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:13.720 It was like so global. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.520 I feel like maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.240 it Up until fairly recently, I feel it was sort 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.320 of difficult to find old episodes of the Muppet Show. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.960 I didn't see them until I was in college, and 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.880 the guests they were pulling was like, yeah, so I 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.480 don't know, I feel like whatever, we don't have monoculture 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.760 at all anymore, but particularly like monoculture that was pulling 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.480 so many different kinds of people as the hosts, like 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.320 I've I had the Rudolph narre Of episode had a 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.480 very strong impression of me, like they would have like 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:50.120 Ballerinas hosting, Yeah, shock culture. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.239 To two hundred and thirty five million people, that's nuts. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.160 It is a weird mix of high and low. And 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.920 then just for for my example, the thing that proves 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.120 to me the lasting power, like how iconic them up? 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.320 That's are. Something we were talking about was there's that 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.520 LCD sound System video for Dance Yourself Clean that like 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.720 every white guy is like, have you seen this? 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.400 Have you seen this YouTube video? It's like for Dance 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:15.520 Yourself Clean, but it's got. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:20.160 Muppets in it, and the video like objectively sucks. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.160 It's not a good video. Was a few days ago. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.560 You brought it up and we started watching it and 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.800 I was like, I had never seen it. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:28.640 I was like this. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.760 Brian was just and brought it up and was like 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.199 every white guy just like I've been shown this by 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.959 three different white guys, and I was like me too, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.439 and then we watched it and we were like this sucks. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.160 Yeah, guys, the City Puitier, like the guests they would 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.120 have on the show were absolutely like yeah, and everyone 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.240 is having the time of their lives, because how could 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.640 you not, like, it's just so cool. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.000 Harry Belafonte another really good episode. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.360 Just really, I just said, made that up, rich. I 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:08.280 just thought the image of acting trash cans funny, believable. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.800 He'll do that, right, he was. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.079 You know, it's like Sidney getting a fucking trash can. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.880 Now we shouln't believe anything you say in the chat 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:24.240 Right ship. Wait, okay, I feel like I remember that. Yeah, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.760 New Mandelac the City More when they had Nelson mandela on. 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.080 After he died. Was right, Yeah, it's just the Benstein bears. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.440 Well, the Harry Belafonte episode is genuinely great. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.480 Yes, all right, So Miles, to your point of like, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:46.720 Kermit was first, and then Miss Piggy she was invented 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.160 in nineteen seventy four, Kermit came around in nineteen fifty five, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.000 Ralph the Dog nineteen sixty two, and then Miss Piggy 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.240 is like the next kind of iconic character. But Ralph 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.319 the dog was like invented for a dog chow commercial. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.800 It seems like a lot of these things were like 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.760 invented on an as needed basis. They were like, I 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.800 don't know, we need a we need a girl one, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.000 let's do it. Let's do a pig. And then they 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.960 like kind of iterate on it. But it's Kermit as 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.280 old as fuck. First of all, like the borderline problematic 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.520 that they had a relationship. But uh, then seventy five 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.200 animal Sam the Eagles, Statler and Wald or the Swedish chef. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:31.280 Seventy six we got Fozzy, which we can talk about Fozzy, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.520 but yeah, they just seem to do it on an 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:39.120 as needed basis. And then you know, now that puppet 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.520 exists and now we can like do stuff with that puppet. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.600 But I want to talk before because. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.760 You know the interesting phrasing, interesting phrase. Now we can 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.760 do that, we can do stuff. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.440 Yeah, we can do that. We can think about it. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.560 We can create backstories as we'll get into you can 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.240 get it. Yeah, now we can. 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.920 Do Now we can do stuff with that puppet. We 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.559 think about it. I feel like Ralph the Dog has 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.199 fallen off in the public, like. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:10.640 Falling off. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.640 I don't dislike Ralph as I dislike other muppets. 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.280 Yeah, we'll get to that, but I think he's fallen 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:18.800 off a bit. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.760 Not a not a huge Fozzy fan from what I've. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.679 Heard, not a huge Fozzy fan. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.160 Fozzy's triggering for me. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.120 Uh, Miss Piggy for some reason, this tax stand up 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.080 comedian is triggering to somebody. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.040 I could see Fazzy. Whenever I look, I can see Fozzy. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:38.880 If I look in the mirror, I can't see. I 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.920 can't be around Fozzy. I see five fozzis a night. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.559 It's all Fozzies. Miss Piggy wasn't actually a Jim Henson creation. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.120 She was actually designed by Bonnie Erickson, who this is 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.120 somebody that I didn't know about coming into this. Uh. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.800 She also like she's invented a bunch of the mascots 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.640 that are like still roaming NBA stadiums to this day. 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.520 Maybe her like it right up. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.160 There with Miss Piggy, depending on who you're talking to, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.080 the Philly Fanatic mascot. She designed. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.760 The Philly Fanatic. That makes perfect sense because that rocks. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.320 The Philly Fanatic does feel like something off a Henson show. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.280 Yeah, it has Henson vibes. I mean, she was I 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.280 think like the director of the workshop. But on designing 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.439 the Philly Fanatic, she said, the managers approached us to 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.920 design a mascot who could encourage fans to bring their 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.120 families to the games. So we had to design a 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.880 character who was child friendly, was playful and a little irreverent, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.240 but not too silly. We'd heard from the Phillies that 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.800 their crowd had booed the Easter Bunny. Was the challenge 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.960 to come up with something that was not going to 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.400 talk down to their audience, Like that is what you 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.320 think about it. In fact, she created a silly billy 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:04.000 child muppet mass Scott that Philly has just completely embraced. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.920 Is such an accomplishment that we just like take for granted. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.360 And then when did the Philly Fanatic launch? Was it 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.480 like around the same time. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:11.320 Around the same time. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.400 She kind of she was just like fucking on fire 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.200 for like four years. She created I mean, she created 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.960 Statler and Waldorf, she created a bunch of like really 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.679 iconic characters, and she created Miss pig So Miss Piggy's 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.080 name was originally Miss Piggy Lee as a reference to 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.960 Peggy Lee, who was a jazz singer who I wasn't 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.679 that familiar with. I went and listened to like her 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:41.840 top songs on Apple Music, and they're either Christmas songs 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.079 or like wildly depressed. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.959 Oh yeah, like rocking around the Christmas Tree? Is Peggy? 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:47.640 Is that Peggy Lee? 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.520 And I was like, am I confusing? Who's you? 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.920 Is that Peggy something Fever is her? So that's her? 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.360 That's her. But then she has this one called is 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.040 That All There Is? Oh? 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.360 I love that song. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.120 Oh it's dark. It's like it tells the story of 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.680 like being at a Christmas party or at a birthday 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.880 party when you're young and like is that all there is? 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.800 And going to a circus and being like is that 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.440 all there is? And then she's like and I know 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.200 what you think, I'm going to kill myself. But I 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.960 know if I killed myself as I was like going 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.080 to the Pearly Gates, I'd just be like, is that 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:20.880 all there is? 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:21.920 It's a really. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.720 Dark shit, which there's there's a lot of like dark 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.800 stuff in Piggy like written into her backstory that I 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.240 was not familiar with didn't read to me. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.280 I wonder if peggyly ever like got like met her, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.359 because I get it I get why they didn't keep them. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.040 That's why they had to. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.640 Yeah, she's threatened to sue over the puppet, so Miss 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.840 Piggy Lye became simply Miss Piggy. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.680 Like, now, you'd be honored to have Miss Piggy associated 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.560 Kelly untested if they're like, so there's this pig on TV. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.560 And yeah, I get hair like you. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:07.160 Are already depressing, right, boyfriend. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.120 She started out she's incredibly abusive. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:11.920 Uh. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.480 She started out like as sort of a background character. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.440 She was in like a sketch about Planet of the 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.720 Apes where it was like Planet of the Pigs, and 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.800 she was just like one of the characters. She had 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.000 like little button eyes. She didn't have her big like 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.520 beautiful colored iris. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:29.960 Eyes like. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.560 A doll's eyes. And she didn't sound like herself yet 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.680 it was she was at that time played by Jerry 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.120 Nelson doing just like a real standard guy doing a 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:52.480 girl voice. It was just girl. It's just like that. Well, yeah, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.040 I know it wasn't quite that good. Sorry I'm a 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:01.680 professional voice man, but yeah, but it does. I mean, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.200 like I was saying the so eloquently before about how 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.800 they create the puppet and that puppet exists and now 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.360 they can do stuff with that puppet. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:11.320 I do. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.120 It's it kind of reminds me of like SNL talent, Jamie. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.800 One of my favorite of your obsessions is like when 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.480 an SNL person like shows up on the thing and 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.840 then two years later they look completely different. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.520 They got the Veneers, they got. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.120 The Veneers, they got the glow up. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.080 They literally I like to like, Lord Michael slams your 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.040 head against the table and thought, he was like, I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.239 guess you need. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:36.760 You need new teeth now. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.880 But I feel like if you can make their eyes bigger, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.480 he probably would, right. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.080 Oh yeah, yeah, give him the watch call what's that 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.440 movie the Clockwork Orange? 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.360 Yeah, but also this is second week in a row 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.160 where we're covering a character who became arguably the most 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.920 iconic thing from their world and who starts out in 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.760 the background, and then we watch as they just like 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.680 grow and grow as the public responds more and more 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.719 to them. But yeah, I just I do think in 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.480 terms of like why we have Miss Piggy, it's like 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:17.080 having the multiple projects iterating, and then when they needed 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.560 a female character, they went to a woman who just 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.080 like happened to be a genius and was like inventing 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.120 huge chunks of popular culture in like just a few 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:27.840 short years. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.119 That's so I still can't get past two hundred and 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.280 thirty five million people. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.040 Yeah, thirty five million people. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.560 That is just like, wow, Okay, that's everybody. That's isn't 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.320 every person? That's everybody. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.919 That's everyone in the war people, everyone in the world. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:50.160 So people watching puppets on TV, Like, that's that's nuts. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.720 I mean because it is also I mean, like when 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.040 you think about it, Rkele had twenty something million for 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.840 a few years in America versus two hundred and thirty 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.720 five globally, and you're like, oh, that's why. Like I 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.800 feel like children now, Like you show a kid and 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.280 wherever most places like do you know this character? And 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:08.919 they'd be like miss Piggy and I'm like do you 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.400 know who this is? And They're like, that's a man 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.760 with suspenders on? Right, So I'm like, that's curcle, but 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.520 that's fun. You're just not cultured. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.000 Well, I'm also sure I'm guessing. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.640 I mean, I don't know much about like muppets internationally, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.800 but it must be like there's so it's like such 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.320 a double bowle show that it's got to be super 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.440 easy to adapt to it basically anywhere. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.920 Yeah, puppets, upets are great. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.280 Puppets are Puppets are great. Is also one of my 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.080 conclusions that I come to, like I was saying. Her 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.880 breakout moment came when oz improvised her trademark karate chop 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.879 during a scene with Kermit. Originally the script called for 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.720 a slap, but he decided to go with a karate chop, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.240 which then allowed him to his quote is the script 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.440 called for Piggy to slap Kermit. Instead of a slap, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.520 I gave him a funny karate hit. Somehow, that hit 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.960 crystallized her character for me, the coyness, hiding the aggression, 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.199 the conflict of that love with her desire for a career, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.560 her hunger for glamour image, her tremendous out and out ego. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.520 Which it's just interesting that that was so foundational for 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.119 him because it's also the first thing, like my brain 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.880 spits out when I like think of miss Piggy. If 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.280 I like have to think of her doing something, it's 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:20.120 the karate chop. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.080 It's so good. I love hearing like actors talk about 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.240 like they're silly ass character because it has to be so, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.320 I mean, and it is important that like it has 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.359 to sound so important. My favorite example of that is, 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.359 do you guys remember when Bill Nihi played mewtwo in 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:38.639 Detective Pikachu. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.640 No, I mean, I know, well he. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.800 Did, and I love sometimes I'll go if I can 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.840 watch his interviews about that movie for fun, because he's 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.360 just like when I folds about Mew two and you're 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:59.240 just like, You're like, yeah, man, you sound like an idiot, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.679 but that is your Like I just loved it. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.359 Yeah, Like frank Oz is like, how how does the 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.320 pig think? Where's she coming from? 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.000 Yeah, we're gonna be like and then this is it 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:09.840 her frustration. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.280 She's trying to balance it all, her career, her love 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:13.760 life in this high Yah. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.960 I'm like, did you really think that at the time? 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:17.000 Did you know it's just sort. 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.480 Of a performer that's okay, Yeah, Because I think a 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.520 lot of the cases, these moments of inspiration for these 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.879 that kind of characters come when they're like like in 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.480 this case, it was just like I needed to do 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.760 a thing, and I did this instead of the thing 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.159 that the script called for. And then like it like 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.400 kind of all comes together with Rkle like we were 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.800 talking about he like at the audition, he was like, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.000 I don't know, like I went out of body, like 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.919 I blacked out and like came to and I was 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:49.160 like everyone was laughing, right, Like that's also like Elvis, 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.200 the character of Elvis, which like wasn't how he actually 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.399 was as a bit because he was like tanking this 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.720