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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you production of

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Speaker 2: Buy Heeart Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome to another addition, the first addition of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, A Feminist around the World. I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 3: with that. Annie, I'm gonna stick with that for sure

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Speaker 3: this year. I'm not gonna go back and forth.

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Speaker 4: You know too.

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Speaker 2: I was just lamenting because we were talking about like

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Speaker 2: goals for the show, and I was just lamenting about

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Speaker 2: how if I could, if I had the time, I don't,

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Speaker 2: I would go back and correct a lot of irregularities. Also,

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Speaker 2: we don't have spell check in the system we use,

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Speaker 2: so sometimes there's been spelling hers. Just know, I am

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Speaker 2: aware that that happens.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 3: I love like on social media when I am thinking

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Speaker 3: I'm putting up this great post, whether it's really funny

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Speaker 3: or thoughtful, I'm like yes, And then you see that

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Speaker 3: you've like either autocorrected or just completely like messed up

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Speaker 3: a sentas, and You're like, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't delete it because people have already started liking it.

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Speaker 4: You'll no anyway, it is.

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Speaker 3: This is our first episode four Famist Around the World,

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Speaker 3: at which we started a whole back how long ago.

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Speaker 4: In you got a better memory than I do, so

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was at the end of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: It was the end of the year. I remember that

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Speaker 2: because we had to start doing it in March, and

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Speaker 2: I got told in like November. We were right, we

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Speaker 2: got told in March, so that we got told in

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Speaker 2: November that we had to do six episodes essentially.

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Speaker 4: So we had to like do something that would not only.

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Speaker 3: Follow that requisite, I guess, as well as trying to.

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Speaker 1: Keep our sanity.

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Speaker 3: And we were like, we'll do these like shorter episodes

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Speaker 3: or whatever whatnot. And sometimes these episodes are not short.

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Speaker 2: That is true.

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Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But yeah.

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Speaker 3: So we've been doing this for a while. We've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of segments out there. We've gotten reached out

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Speaker 3: to by people who were featured, which was amazing, thank y'all.

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Speaker 3: But today I thought, we're going to try to do

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Speaker 3: this every year. I think any because I realized the

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Speaker 3: was to celebrate our book, which was to almost a

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Speaker 3: year and a half ago. So this time around, we're

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Speaker 3: going to do a feature on us as feminists.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, if we.

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Speaker 3: Are doing, if our job, if our career is based

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Speaker 3: around intersectional feminism, that means we're feminists, right and hopefully

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Speaker 3: we are good representations of that. We're going to say

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Speaker 3: we're real least trying, and with that to reintroduce ourselves

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Speaker 3: for people who are new to the show, people who

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Speaker 3: may have forgotten us, or maybe who are confused by

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Speaker 3: who the hosts are. So, as of January twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: it's Annie Reese and SAMMITHA McVeigh. We are the hosts

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Speaker 3: of steph Mom Never Told You. We have been here

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Speaker 3: since as a pair, you and I as a duo

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and he's been here from jump if you

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Speaker 3: know you know, So, I thought we would do a

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Speaker 3: quick introduction, reintroduction of who we are as the hosts

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Speaker 3: segment feminist around the world, and maybe some fun facts,

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Speaker 3: about it, any It's fine. So let's start off. What's

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Speaker 3: a good just a simple simple question. What do you

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Speaker 4: On our show?

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Speaker 3: Like what type of content is consistent to our show?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question because one of the things I

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Speaker 2: love about our show but I understand can be confounding

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Speaker 2: That we're able to have nerdy deep dives into movies

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Speaker 2: So I think a consistent we have is that we

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I think the consistency of our show,

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the conversation feminism and intersectional feminism

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Speaker 3: it is about constant and continued growth because we are

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Speaker 1: Because it is being rooted out.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's something that we would say is

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Speaker 5: Right, and with that, we're going to talk a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Just go ahead, if you don't know what intersectional feminism is.

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Speaker 3: Kimberly Crenshaw, doctor Crenshaw is an activist and in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Any yeah, I mean, especially when you look at, as

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Speaker 2: So it is it's very, very important and to move forward.

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Speaker 4: Told you, sir, you don't understand the show.

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Speaker 2: to our super producer Christina, executive producer and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and let us know what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 4: About how you've changed in this podcast. Christina specifically you

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes yes, and thank you so much for listening.

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