1 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: What's pretty common is you will get a package from China. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: They come sort of unlabeled. You get these kind of 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: little glass vials with sort of interesting looking powder inside them. 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Zara Stone is a culture reporter at the San Francisco Standard, 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: and recently she's been reporting on a new trend in 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: Silicon Valley injecting non FDA approved drugs called peptides into 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: your body. 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Then you have to go and buy bacterio static water. 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: You get a needle, you take out some of water, 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: you inject it into the bottle, You swizzle it around. 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: Then you get your like alcohol swab and you like 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: swab and ope your butt or your stomach or a 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: piece of fie. Inject the bowl again, pull out a plunge, 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: inject your body. There's a bunch of different steps and 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: people are having to do all of these steps to 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: do it successfully. 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you lost me at the bacteriostatic water. 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is or where you 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: have to buy this, So we just talking boil water 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: and you're good or what. These days, there's peptides for 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: just about everything. There's peptides that allegedly improve your focus. 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: Peptides a help you lose weight, peptides that help you sleep, 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: peptides and make your muscles will cover faster after you 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: work out. But in Silicon Valley people have taken this 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: thing to a new level. One of your recent articles 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: starts out with the line, I'm going to quote it 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: here to the new school tech row, dying should be optional. 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: That's a wild opener. I mean, are there people who 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: actually think this, the dying should be optional? 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I think my definitely trying to build a world 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: where either they can replace their body pot so they 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: can live forever injecting yourself with stuff. They can freeze 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: themselves so they can be reanimated when the technology evolves, 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: or they can export the consciousness into the Internet and 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: live forever in that way. 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: The concept of living forever is a constant theme in literature, 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: not to mention specifically science fiction, but I'm not sure 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: that we've ever seen such a strong subculture of influential 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: people who truly believe that it's attainable in their lifetime. 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: Part of the belief with this comes from sort of 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: AI accelerationism, seeing things that are possible in a shorter 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: timeframe than they used to be, and also from some 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: of the new technologies. 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to the culture of what Zara calls tech bro 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: two point zero. Whether we like it or not, the 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: tech bros are dragging us along in their pursuit of 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: ever increasing optimization. So what exactly are they up to 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: and what's going to trickle down for the rest of us. 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: I'm afraid. 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is kill switch. I'm Dexter Thomas. 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm I'm sorry. 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: It used to be when somebody used the word hacking, 53 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: they specifically meant hacking computer and now life hacks, which 54 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: is just things that make your life a little bit 55 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: more convenient or whatever. But then there's also biohacking or 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: body hacking that seems to have a lot more play 57 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley right now. How do people talk about that? 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it is so part of a culture 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: that people often aren't using the word biohack. Things that 60 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: used to be biohacks have now sort of transformed into 61 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the broader wellness culture. Like cold plunges. Everyone is doing 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: that red light therapy good for your skit. I think 63 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: everyone from I don't know moms to seventy year olds 64 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: to Silicon valley is already integrating, and then you have 65 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: the next level, and I think that's where things start 66 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: to get really interesting. 67 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: So what is that next level. 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: One part of that next level is injectibles. Injectibles are 69 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: mostly pet tides, all these different things that you inject 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: into your body, the idea being to have better longevity, 71 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: better sleep, mental health, physical performance, like this whole range 72 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: of like really good benefits that people are hoping for. 73 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Okay, before we get too far into this, let me 74 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: just do the disclaimer here. Nothing in this episode should 75 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: be construed as medical advice. You should be talking to 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: your doctor about this. But that's kind of the catch 77 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: twenty two here, because at least in the US, most 78 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: of this stuff is not approved by the government, so 79 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: your family physician probably isn't just going to hand you 80 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: a syringe full of peptides. And anyway, even for a professional, 81 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: it's pretty hard to keep up with this stuff because 82 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: there are a lot of peptides. For example, you can 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: inject yourself with something called GHK copper, which is supposed 84 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: to help your skin repair itself so you could look younger, 85 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: or you could stab yourself in the hip with some 86 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: silanc to reduce anxiety. Allegedly, there's also thimosin for your 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: immune system. I could keep going on and on about this, 88 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: but I'm not even sure that I'm pronouncing this stuff right. 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: Some kind of say that some of the peptides help 90 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: with the depression. Some say that it really helps them 91 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: gain muscle. There are some parallels with a body building 92 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: world as well, so we'll be these like different subculture 93 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: sort of feed into peptides. 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: People who take peptides often claim that they're effective and 95 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: that they're safe to use because these peptides are naturally 96 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: occurring in our bodies. What is a peptide and why 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: is everybody talking about this all of a sudden. 98 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: So a peptide is a short amino acid, which it's 99 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: like a smaller protein, if that's a helpful way to 100 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: think about it. And these are not new things. These 101 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: have existed in our body forever, but they haven't always 102 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: been synthesized or been able to be replicated outside the body. 103 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: Oxytocin is a pet tide. Insulin is a pet tide, 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: and I would say pet tide got to kind of 105 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: mainstream consciousness with ozepic, the GLP skinny shot drug. 106 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: Okay, now we're talking about something that everybody's heard of. 107 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: So Ozembic technically was approved for treating diabetes, and we 108 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: Govey is the one that's actually FDA approved for treating obesity. 109 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: Same molecule, just higher dose in different branding. They're both 110 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: part of a peptide drug class called GLP one receptor 111 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: agonist without getting two in the weeds. That basically means 112 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: that they can mimic a hormone that we already have 113 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: in our bodies called GLP one, which regulates blood sugar levels. 114 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: Hence the application for diabetes. Also tells your brain that 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: you're already full and you don't need to eat anymore, 116 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: hence the application for obesity. But then there's the off 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: label use of just injecting yourself to lose a few pounds, 118 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: which allegedly a lot of Hollywood is doing, and apparently 119 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: so is Silicon Valley. 120 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: A lot of Bay Area people were taking ozempic like 121 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: two years before the rest of the world was like, hey, 122 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: get me some of that now, Like, there are benefits 123 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: to azempic beyond being skinny. There's gluecose control. There's some 124 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: study showing potential benefits on like memory and longevity, and 125 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: people are microdosing them, often in order to get specific 126 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: benefits they're hoping for. 127 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: But like we said earlier, ozembic is one of the 128 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: few consumer facing, government approved peptides that are on the 129 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: market in the US. 130 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Apart from glps, the majority of peptides people are using, 131 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: there's no way to access that in any legal way 132 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: unless you're buying buru material. Most of these pettie, even 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: when the pharmouth companies are you know, legally giving you, 134 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: are manufactured in China. 135 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: Chinese dealers have managed to find ways to get off 136 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: market peptides into the US. One way is to sell 137 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: the peptides is quote unquote research grade. Sometimes they'll even 138 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: put a not for human use label on it. So 139 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: if you happen to use it on a human, like 140 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: say yourself, that's your responsibility. So how does one find 141 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: out about these? I mean you just do. You just 142 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: google how to buy peptides, and all of a sudden 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: you're on peptides dot com. 144 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: You order them from a website, I mean very sketchy websites. 145 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: They're a better website. You might have a doctor in 146 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: the US who has kind of done very due diligent, 147 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: or you might have a doctor who hasn't. I think 148 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: the real thing is nobody knows what they're buying, who 149 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: they're buying from. There's a lot of concern about I'm 150 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: okay potentially, you know, taking experimental peptides. I'm not okay 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: with injecting stuff that isn't the experimental pep tides. So 152 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: this is when you start getting this sort of network 153 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: of telegram groups, of what's app channels where people all 154 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: kind of pull their resources. The idea is a sort 155 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: of crowdsourced wisdom can at least advance and further than 156 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: just advice from somebody on a podcast. 157 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: What is it that makes it so difficult to obtain 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: this stuff from a doctor or a pharmacy. 159 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: So some of the peptides, like, for instance, a very 160 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: popular one EPC one five seven, which stands for Body 161 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: Protection Compound, is known to be pretty good helping muscle recovery, 162 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: kind of helping after the GIN. This used to be 163 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: something you could legally get in the US till around 164 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You would need a prescription or a 165 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: compounding pharmacy or functional medicine or whatever. In twenty twenty three, 166 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: there was a bunch of pepdites that had been previously 167 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: distributed that was sort of placed on a watch list 168 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: where they were like, we think there may be some 169 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: side effects, we're not sure, we still want people to 170 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: doing this. And suddenly they were no longer available, which 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: is reasonable, but you also had a massive amount of 172 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: people who had legally taken this, kept taking them because 173 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: they'd seen good effects, and then suddenly couldn't access them. 174 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: That meant that consumers, including newcomers from the tech world, 175 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: suddenly had to source their peptides from somewhere else, and 176 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: because they were no longer FDA approved, there was no 177 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: straightforward process to in shure the quality or even the 178 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: quantity of what you're putting in that syringe. 179 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: So with a lot of people, especially the larger groups 180 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: who are you know, book buying peptides, they're sending it 181 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: to a bunch of different labs. The kind of the 182 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: main things they're testing is like, one the quality, are 183 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: you getting what you think you're getting? Two the volume, 184 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Because if you think you I don't have a ten 185 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: milligram vile, but they've just thrown in twenty milligrams, you're 186 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: going to give yourself way too high a dose, and 187 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: you can't test it yourself at home. I mean unless 188 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: you literally have a lab and are a scientist. You 189 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: have to mail away to somebody. 190 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: So this stuff is not that easy to get. But 191 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: not only are we seeing these gray market workarounds, some 192 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: people are using injectables as office perks. More on that 193 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: after the break, tell me about peptide Friday. 194 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: So Superpower is a sort of longevity AI concierge company. 195 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,239 Speaker 1: The idea is that wealthy people have access to concierge 196 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: doctors who look at all the science kind of do 197 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: this whole personalized medicine and suggest things based on my 198 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: body type. They do a lot of blood tests, they 199 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: do the on demand MRIs. A lot of this stuff 200 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: really isn't accessible to most people, you know, even if 201 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: you're considered comfortable. This is on another level. So this 202 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: company is trying to sort of democratize access to all 203 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: the longevity knowledge through kind of an AI concierge doctor. 204 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: The company which very strongly believes in longevity and kind 205 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: of talks about how they think they might never have 206 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: to die. And then you go to the office and 207 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: like with Fridge is like, you know, on this shelf 208 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: is like this guy's stack. He has like five thousands 209 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: dollars worth of injections a month. And another shelf is 210 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: like a different dude stack. He takes two thousand dollars worth. 211 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Among the employees don't have to take stuff, many of 212 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: them do and in one of a really interesting, you know, 213 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: kind of encourage people to work from the office back 214 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: to work kind of things. They have pettipe Fridays where 215 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: if you come in on Friday, you get your bagel 216 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: and you get your optional peptide shot. 217 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: Okay, I had a lot of friends who were working 218 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: in the startup space in like the twenty tens. I 219 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: remember the ping pong tables, I remember the Nintendo sixty four's, 220 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: I remember the arcade machines. Those are the things that 221 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: they used to use to get people to come into work. 222 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: Peptime Fridays. Wild, that is a wild perk. 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, you want your pet tide shot, you 224 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: got to be in office. 225 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: So you you mentioned the price, So hold up two 226 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month on peptides five thousand dollars a month. 227 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: I mean that is double a lot of people's house 228 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: note double, a lot of people's rent. That's a lot 229 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: of money. 230 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But I would also say that these guys 231 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: who are doing pet tight stacks, so they're not just 232 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: doing one or two, They're doing a whole bunch of 233 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: different pet tides combined and very regularly. There's the Wolverine stack, 234 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: which is like a couple of different pet tides together 235 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: that is, you know, based on Wolverine. You know, it's 236 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: recovers very quickly. Nothing can hurt him. 237 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: The Wolverine stack. Okay, all right. 238 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: But also I would say that a lot of people 239 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: I spoke to who do pet tides regularly maybe one 240 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: hundred two hundred a month, which you know is not nothing, 241 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: but again is like much more reasonable than the pet 242 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: tight bros who are taking that volume. 243 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 2: Hold on, have you had any of this stuff? Have 244 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: you tried anyth the peptides I have tried. 245 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: Some the ones I've tried have been ones given to 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: me by a docta or by somebody who was being 247 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: overseen by adulta. I tried GHKCU. It's a copper peptide 248 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: that's meant to be really good for the skin. It 249 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: did nothing but give me a really big bruise that 250 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: actually it would never have done anything because you were 251 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: meant to do it regularly, So doing it once off 252 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: was you know, really just to the gram. 253 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: Have you talked to anybody in your reporting who has 254 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: had a bad side effect from this stuff? 255 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: I spoke to one person who kind of overestimated, who 256 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: gave themselves two large a dose and they had like 257 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: a really bad stomach ache for like a day or so. 258 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: But I haven't actually found anyone who really has had 259 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: worse side effects than that. I would say the biggest 260 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: concern is sepsis, and sepsis again would be from poor application, 261 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: not so much from lif poor quality of the drug. 262 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: What happens if you overdose? What happens if you use 263 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: too much? 264 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: I think like you get atomic ache, you might get 265 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: very dehydrated, You might need to go on like a 266 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: sort of ivy drip to replace fluids. And this is 267 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: generally unless you have any pre existing conditions. Kind of 268 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. 269 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: But keep in mind here that the crowd that Czar 270 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: is reporting on, the people in Silicon Valley who are 271 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,479 Speaker 2: taking peptides, have a lot of resources at their disposal 272 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: to at least reduce the risk of using these off 273 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: market peptides that they're taking. Not everyone has that. 274 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: I think with some of the kind of the Bay 275 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Area techies who are doing peptides and other experimental things, 276 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: many of them are also doing very frequent blood panels. 277 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: They are doing dexas scans. They might not have adopt 278 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: checking in on them, but they are doing all these 279 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: different things to monitor how the new substances they're taken 280 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,239 Speaker 1: are affecting their physiology. And you know, somebody who's like, oh, peptides, 281 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: I live in Nebraska might not be doing the same thing. 282 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: And I think they may be missing something there, because 283 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, the blood test doesn't make it safe, but 284 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: it does give you like a measured way to track 285 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: things that are difficult to track. So I think there's 286 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: an element of that that might not be obvious just. 287 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: Listening to you talk about this. And I wonder how 288 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: people listening to this will feel. I'm kind of getting 289 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: the feeling like, oh man, maybe I should be trying 290 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: some of these things. Is that a common response. 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I think it's challenging to talk about it without being 292 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: people being intrigued by some of it. I urge people 293 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: to be cautious and not just by random shit and 294 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,479 Speaker 1: stick needles into themselves. 295 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fruital. Yeah, whether or not they actually deliver 296 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: on the promise, peptides are just one part of a 297 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: larger trend in Silicon Valley. So why is biohacking getting 298 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: so popular and what does that mean for the rest 299 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: of us? That's after the break. Silicon Valley for a 300 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: while was very stereotyped as being, you know, a bunch 301 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: of skinny nerds who wore hoodies, and there was this 302 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: other kind of parallel maybe track of things that men 303 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: did online, which is, here's how to get big and 304 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: huge and go to the gym, and we're gonna watch 305 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: MMA and all that sort of thing, and we're gonna 306 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: watch sports. And those two didn't really job together. You know, 307 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: the skinny computer nerds didn't really like sports, and that 308 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: was almost kind of like a badge of honor, like, oh, 309 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: I don't like sports. That's for those meatheads, you know, 310 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: that's for the jocks. That seems to be kind of dovetailing. 311 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: Now it has sort of gone. I don't know even 312 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: if it's full circle, but it's just kind of muched. 313 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: I think it's maybe the dude equivalent of like I 314 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 1: can have it all, you know, I can have the 315 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: the computer science degree, I can have the l LN, 316 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: I can have the muscles. In a way where perhaps 317 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: you were like, you know, the tropes of nerds versus 318 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: jokes or whatever has sort of like faded in a 319 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: way because people are like, I can have all of 320 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: these different things and still kind of be a complete person. 321 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 322 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think probably the obvious version of that 323 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: would be Mark Zuckerberg saying he was training MMA. I 324 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: don't think that was a tipping point, but I think 325 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: that was sort of an obvious sign that, Okay, the 326 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: nerds are going to the gym. Something has changed. 327 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: I think there's you know a portion of people who 328 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: are also just doing this to be hotter, optimizing for 329 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: attractiveness as well. So if they can get skinnier, if 330 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: them muscles can't be bigger. It kind of feeds into 331 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: the same train of like optimization. If they optimize their looks, 332 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: they optimize the work, they optimize or sleep and these 333 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: are all very kind of interrelated, sort of a Zuckerberg 334 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: blow up, you know, as maybe the driver for some of. 335 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: This, this obsession with optimization might have some deep roots 336 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley, but it's starting to spread out into 337 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: mainstream culture, and I think there's a pattern here. I mean, 338 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: think about it. Wearable devices that track your sleep used 339 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: to be weird. Now they're pretty normal. And think back 340 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: to our Google Glass episode. Having an always on computer 341 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: camera strapped to your face was bizarre, but society starting 342 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: to warm up to that idea. Now you've got people 343 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: running around in Minnesota wearing the new meta ray bands. 344 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: It used to be that the most influential people in 345 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: America were musicians or actors in Hollywood, but Silicon Valley 346 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: is starting to be another cultural place that people look 347 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: up to and want a copy. If a lot of 348 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: people in Silicon Valley are into peptides, now, is it 349 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: just a matter of time before the rest of us 350 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: are injecting stuff? Also? 351 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Really it's not something I would 352 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: have said yes too before Zembek, but Ozembic, this global 353 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: phenomenon a really normalized injecting yourself with stuff, And that's 354 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: not a Silicon Valley thing. That driver of a weight 355 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: loss industry, the abess teeth epidemic that has taken the 356 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: a deear of injecting yourself from something weird and scary 357 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: to something that people are embracing. So yeah, that tracks 358 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: with the fact that pep tides are going to spread. 359 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: I think going forwards there is going to be a 360 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: lot more flexibility. And we have RFK on record saying, 361 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, he wants kind of the FDA to stop 362 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: being so anti pet tides and stuff like that. 363 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 4: We're going to end the war at FDA against alternative medicine. 364 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: Thank you for on stem cells, warm keylating drugs. We're 365 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: on if you want to take an experimental drug, you 366 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: can do that. 367 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: That's the US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. 368 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior on The Ultimate Human podcast with Gary Breca. 369 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: And this is kind of RFK Junior's thing. Back before 370 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: the election last year, he made a tweet accusing the 371 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: FDA of suppressing everything from pet tides to raw milk 372 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: to ivermectin. Remember that was that horse deworming pace that 373 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: people were trying to take to cure COVID. And he 374 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: started that tweet with the sentence quote, FDA's war on 375 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: public health is about to end. 376 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: So these are all kind of adding up for something 377 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: a bigger picture and a bigger sort of rollout or acceptance. 378 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: It's going to be a couple of years, and then 379 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: I think it will be like, oh, it's you know, 380 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: here's my waita beck, here's my pep tie shot. 381 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: As you're telling me about peptides, it sounds nuts that 382 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: somebody would just inject themselves on the off chance that 383 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: maybe their focus will get a little bit better for 384 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: the afternoon. But maybe not. Maybe it isn't so weird. 385 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: We're at the start of something that I think is 386 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: really going to change, and we have an administration which 387 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: is maybe being friendlier than ever before to this kind 388 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: of experimental stuff. So maybe at some point people will 389 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: be getting this through woolgreens. It might cost more, but 390 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: at least, you know, the supply chain part of it 391 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: will be fixed in terms of you know what you're doing. 392 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: When I think we're just at the beginning of this, Really. 393 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: If peptides really do hit the mainstream and live up 394 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: to the potential that people say is there, the next 395 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: question is what the existence of this superhuman drug does 396 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 2: to us as a society. Are we now getting into 397 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: yet another permutation of kind of haves and have nots? 398 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is people who have 399 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: access to the money to buy these things, can get 400 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: all these benefits where people who don't can't have those 401 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: benefits to some extent. 402 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: But I would also sort of caveat that with that 403 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: prescription drugs are expensive if you don't have insurance. There's 404 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: a lot of access and income disparity for a whole 405 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: bunch of people. 406 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: Right now, in America, the richest come in the world, 407 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 2: millions of people are still struggling to get access to 408 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: decent quality food. It's hard to imagine that we're going 409 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: to figure out equal access when it comes to peptides. 410 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: Just for example. One of the co founders of that 411 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: longevity concierge service, Superpower said in Zara's article, and I'm 412 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: quoting here that good health is becoming a status symbol. 413 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: And to be clear here I'm not criticizing him. I 414 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: think that he's correct. I'd say that being healthy has 415 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: been a status symbol, not in the sense of a liu, 416 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: a tom bag or a labouobuo. I mean in the 417 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: sense that a lot of modern history is us dealing 418 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: with the fact that good health is something that only 419 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: people with a certain level of status could even afford. 420 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: So maybe we're just repeating ourselves here. 421 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't even told you about pediatric peptides. 422 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: This is a kind of a small but growing kind 423 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: of area of people who are seeing the benefits of 424 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: giving peptides to children. The parents generally have to do 425 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: the injecting because I think the youngest child I've heard of, 426 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: I think was maybe eight years old. I think this 427 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: is wild and I am kind of struggling to kind 428 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: of come to terms with some of this. When you're reporting, 429 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, yeah, adults are doing whatever, but when 430 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: you hear children, it sort of takes it to a 431 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: very different place. 432 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: Wow. I hesitate to even ask what are the benefits 433 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: that it gives to a child? 434 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: Supposedly, Supposedly the ones that are being used more frequently 435 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: on children are for the athletes, you know, the ten 436 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: year old runner or swimmer, so they're getting a lot 437 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: of a muscle recovery ones. 438 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: So who knows. Maybe the next step in peptides is 439 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: a world where some kids can run faster and swim 440 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: further and get more athletic scholarships, or they can focus 441 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: more on homework and get better sleep, or even look 442 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: more conventionally attractive by being thinner. Meanwhile, other kids don't 443 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: get that stuff. So one of my side hustles in 444 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: college was tutoring, and at first I started out with 445 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: homework tutoring, but I figured out pretty quick that the 446 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: best money is an sat tutoring because rich kids' parents 447 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: will pay a lot of money to get their kids 448 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: into a good school, and a lot of the time 449 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: that's why I was teaching rich kids. Sometimes I'd get 450 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: to teach on the poor side of town. I think 451 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: the school district had some vouchers or something like that 452 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: to bring us in, and the idea was that it 453 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: would help level the playing field. But it always worked 454 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: out the same way. Those voucher contracts would end halfway 455 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: through the year. The company didn't have enough tutors for 456 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: those specific schools, And meanwhile, the rich kids always got 457 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: the best environment, the most motivated tutors, and the most 458 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: supportant They got set up for success. Let's say that 459 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: these peptides really work. Let's say they're one hundred percent safe. 460 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: Let's say that this is genuinely something that can improve humans' lives. Okay, 461 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: does everyone get access to that or do we wait 462 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: for it to trickle down to the rest of us, 463 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: while people with status get a head start on their superpowers. 464 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for checking out another episode of 465 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: kill Switch. If you want to talk to us, you 466 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: can email us at kill Switch at Kaleidoscope dot NYC, 467 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: or we're on Instagram at kill Switch pod. And while 468 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: you're on your phone, you know, think about leaving us 469 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: a review. 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Our executive producers 479 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: are Oswa Lashin, Mangesh Hatikadur, and Kate Osborne from iHeart. 480 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Katrina Norvil and Nikki E. Tour. 481 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: And by the way, there is another weird trend happening 482 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: among the tech bros. That Zara told me about sperm racing. 483 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: First way you're looking at it is like guys are 484 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: jacking off putting the sperm into a racecourse, and people 485 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: through like microscopic cameras, et cetera, like you know, watching 486 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: sperm race on a screen as a kind of sport. 487 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just of Jenner process this. So is this 488 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: like were we talking a live event? 489 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 3: Here? 490 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: We are we talking here? 491 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: They sort of broadcast this as a live event, which 492 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: was a little disingenuous because the way they did it 493 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: is they filmed it. They like took the sperm, they 494 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: put it in this sort of racecourse. I think they 495 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: died its slightly different colors so it would show up 496 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: a certain way in the cinematography. But then they actually, 497 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: like at a light event, they showed the video like 498 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: people weren't all standing around like a pool table watching 499 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: sperm weave around it. 500 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 4: We are live in Los Angeles for the world's very 501 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 4: first sperm race run by four three. 502 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: W and here we go. 503 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: Oh shack, they're going. 504 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: They're going. 505 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: Is the aser the chamber? 506 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: We are Oh my god, oh ho. 507 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: And look before anybody asks, I'm just gonna make this 508 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: clear now we are not going to do an episode 509 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: about sperm racing, so please do not ask. I like 510 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: weird subcultures just as much as everybody else, but we 511 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: got to draw the line somewhere anyway. That's from us. 512 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: Catch on the next one.