1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Getty and he Armstrong and Getty. Trump made some new, 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: brand new strong statements about the whole Epstein story. It'll 5 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how that lands with some of 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: you who think that's, you know, something that needs to 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: be pursued. Also, if the apostle Paul had been on 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: the road to Damascus today, he would have turned back 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: before he ran into Jesus on the road because it 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: blew up. Damascus blew up today Israel bombing the crap 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: out of the capitalist Syria for some reason. Anyway, just happened. 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to that story later too. 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Excellent biblical setup to that, by the way, well done. 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: Two things. 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: One of my favorite books I've ever read about politics 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: is the Myth of the rational Voter. In the first 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: chunk of it, the main argument of it is, and 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: it's indisputable by the data, that there are certain economic 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: ideas and principles that people get wrong in much greater 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: numbers than they get right for some reason, like rent control, 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: like that con Man communist, the communist if you will 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: zoron Mumdani in New York is trying to pitch you 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: hit people young people with rent control. They will, in 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: overwhelming numbers say that's a great idea. But then a 25 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: little edumacation, a little life experience, they understand. Oh it's 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: a terrible idea. It's like the worst idea. But generation 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: after generation people fall for certain economic arguments. 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: Over and over again. It's kind of interesting anyway. 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: I'm reminded of that when thinking about what we're gonna 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: play for you, believe it or not, it's a golfer 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: at a press conference. What Scotty Scheffler, Who is the 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: greatest golfer on the planet? And more on that in 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: a minute. But when it comes to what will make 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: me happy? I think a lot of human beings, most 35 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: of us, are like those youngsters who think grant control 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: is a good idea. Generation after generation, we chase the 37 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: wrong things. 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, this segment is about life satisfaction, not about golf. 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh it's not. 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was going to go into a 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: long discourse over the draw versus the fade. Anyway, those 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: are golf terms. Anyway, Yeah, it's about life satisfaction. And 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: so Scott Scheffler, who is the greatest golfer on the 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: planet currently and very very well liked because he's very 45 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: normal as a dude, happens to be a fairly devout 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: Christian and a family manager. You're about to hear very 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: much not like Tiger the Assassin. He's a great competitor 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: and the rest of it, but he's kind of a 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: different guy. 50 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: Anyway. 51 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: They were asking him about his superachievements this year in 52 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: previous years at a press conference, and this is what 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: he said. 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: We'll start with sixteen and go from there. Michael, you know, 55 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: I think it's kind of funny. 56 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think I said something after 57 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: the Buyer in this year about like it feels like 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: you work your whole life to celebrate winning a tournament 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: for like a few minutes and only lasts a few minutes, 60 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: that kind of euphoric feeling. And I like to win 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: the Byer Nelson Championship at home. I literally worked my 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: entire life to become good at golf to have an 63 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it, you celebrate, 64 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there at 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: such an amazing moment, and then it's like, Okay, now 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: what are we gonna eat for dinner? 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: You know, life goes on, go ahead, roll on. 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: Is it great to be able to win tournaments and 69 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 4: to accomplish the things I have in the game of golf? 70 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: Yet I mean it it brings tears my eyes just 71 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: to think about because it's literally worked my entire life 72 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: to become good at the sport. And to have that 73 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: kind of sense of accomplishment, I think is is that 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: pretty cool feeling, you know, to get to live out 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: your dreams. 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: It's very special. 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it's like, I'm 78 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: not out here to inspire the next generation of golfers. 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: I don't I'm not here to inspire somebody else to 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: be the best player in the world, because what's the point. 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 4: You know, this is not a fulfilling life. It's it's 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 4: fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: from a sense of like the deepest, you know, places 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: of your heart. You know, there's a lot of people 85 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 4: that make it to what they thought was going to 86 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 4: fulfill them in life, and then you get there and 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: all of a sudden you get to number one in 88 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 4: the world and then they're like, what's the point? 89 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I really do believe that. 90 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: I think I think most everybody has had that experience 91 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: or has that experience. At some point you get the 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: whatever it is you've been wanting to get and okay, hmm, 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the satisfaction of that didn't last very long, and you 94 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: have to wrestle with what am I? You know, what 95 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: what am I doing? Or what do I enjoy? Or 96 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: why am I? Why am I getting up every morning? 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: Right? 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: And it's the process and just the daily life. My 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: dad was always really good at this and just you know, 100 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: you just use the example of taking out the trash. 101 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: People don't like to complain about doing this and that, 102 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: and that's what life is. Life is taking out the 103 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: trash and doing the dishes and getting up and going 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: to work and raising all the things that you do 105 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: that seem like they're in the way of your That's 106 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: what life is, right right, Let's throw along. You know, 107 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: what is the point? 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 4: You're like, why do I want to win this tournament 109 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: so bad? That's something that I wrestle with on a 110 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: daily basis. It's like showed up with the Masters every year. 111 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 4: It's like, why do I want to win this golf 112 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 4: tournament so badly? Why do I want to win the 113 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: Open Championship so badly? I don't know, because if I win, 114 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: it's going to be awesome for about two minutes. And 115 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: now we're going to get in the next week and 116 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: it's gonna be like, hey. 117 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: You want two majors this year? 118 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: How important is it for you to win the fext 119 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again, 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: you know, So we really do. We work so hard 121 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: for such little moments, and you know, I'm kind of 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: sick of I love putting in the work. I love 123 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: being able to practice, I love getting out to live 124 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: out my dreams. But at the end of the day, 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 4: sometimes I just don't understand the point, you know. 126 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: Because. 127 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm making any sense or not. 128 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: But am I not? 129 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: It's just. 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 2: No, go ahead, okay, yeah, let's go ahead and finish. 131 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: Then we'll discuss. 132 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: It's just one of those deals, you know. I love 133 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 4: the challenge. I love being able to play this game 134 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: for a living. It's it's one of the greatest joys 135 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 4: of my life. But does it fill the deepest, you know, 136 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 4: wants and desires of my heart, absolutely not. I mean, 137 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: I love playing golf. I love being able to compete. 138 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: I love living out my dreams. I love being a father. 139 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: I love being able to take care of my son. 140 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: I love being able to provide for my family out 141 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: here playing golf. And you know, every day when I 142 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 4: wake up early to go put in the work. You know, 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: my wife thanks me for going out and working so hard, 144 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: and when I get home, I try and think her 145 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: every day for taking care of our son. It's just, 146 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: you know, that's why I talk about families being my priority, 147 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: because it really is. You know, I'm blessed to be 148 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: able to come out here and play golf. But if 149 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: my golf ever started affecting my home life, or itever 150 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: affected the relationship I have with my wife or with 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: my son, you know that's gonna be the last day 152 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: that I play out here for a living. You know, 153 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: this is not the be all end all. This is 154 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: not the most important thing in my life. And that's 155 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: why I wrestle with why is is so important to me? 156 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: Because you know, I would much rather be a great 157 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: father than I would be a great golfer. You know 158 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: that at the end of the day, that that's what's 159 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: more important to me. 160 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: So just to summarize, I think a lot of us 161 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: and I mean us. Oh, let me put this aside. Yeah, 162 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: the money's pretty good. He's made a hell of a 163 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: lot of money. He lives a great lifestyle. He doesn't 164 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: have to worry about money ever again, which is a 165 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: big deal. If you've ever or are currently worried about money. 166 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: I get that. 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: But having said that, I think all of us think 168 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: happiness is the like the triumph or that's what we're 169 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: looking for, or the falling in love, or the big win, 170 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: or the fame or the congratulations from the crowd or 171 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: your contemporaries, your colleagues even but it's not there. 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: Right. 173 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: So one thing that popped into my mind is it 174 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: reminded me of Woody Allen talking a lot in his book. 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: Woody Allan is a movie director, one of the most 176 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: famous movie directors of all time. If you don't know 177 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: who he is anyway, in his autobiography that he wrote 178 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, he loved making movies the 179 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: way this guy loves practicing and you know the process, 180 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: but like he'd finish the movie and be like you 181 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: just say what he's done and move on to the 182 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: next one. He's like, no enjoyment in the finished product. 183 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: He'd never watch him, he would never pay any attention 184 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: to the reviews. It was just the the process was 185 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: the only thing that there was an enjoyment. The thing 186 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: that most well, I don't know most people, but a 187 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: lot of people think would be where you get the enjoyment. 188 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: The finished product or the winning the tournament or becoming 189 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: the top salesman or whatever is not what you think 190 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: it was going to be. 191 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get quiet satisfaction out of it, like 192 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: he was talking about. But the idea of like constant 193 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: joy is that the right word, you know, happiness slash 194 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: euphoria slash cheerfulness slash excitement. That's just that's not what 195 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: we need to chase because it's illusory. It goes way 196 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: so quickly, you know, it was kind of it passed 197 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: by so quickly. But I can relate to and it's 198 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: a great description. So he wins a super giant golf 199 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: tournament that millions of people around the world just dream 200 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: of being good enough to win that tournament, having the acclaim, 201 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: getting the check, blah, blah blah, and then you know, 202 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: half an hour later it's like, what do you want 203 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: to have for dinner? That's a pretty good description of 204 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: the way life really is. Yes, it's about the people 205 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: you care about. I mean, isn't that just the bottom line? 206 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? So, and I get I get. Well, I guess 207 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: the ultimate point would be you have to enjoy the 208 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: process of life, not making a movie or becoming a 209 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: golfer or whatever or whatever it is you do, just 210 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: process of life. The daily grind, which is what it 211 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: feels like a lot of times, is what life is. 212 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: And you gotta find if you're waiting for the payoff, 213 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: it ain't common. 214 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: Oh folks, that was the payoff. The payoff is there's 215 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: no payoff. 216 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Kurk Blue. That should be taught more. I think that's 217 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: not I think that's the opposite of what our culture 218 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: tends to tell. 219 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: Us, right right right. The movie doesn't end. There's no 220 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: end to the movie. Your part is just written out. 221 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: Now. 222 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: If you want to get it metaphysical and talk about 223 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: religion and life after death or whatever, that's a completely 224 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: different topic. But no, you don't win, you never you 225 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: never win. You just keep playing. Maybe that's how I 226 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: would sum it up. 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Twenty percent off. 261 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: That's trust and Will dot com slash armstrong. 262 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: You know you need to do it, get started. 263 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: So to the idea that there is no payoff, here's 264 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: here's the you know, here's the thing to know about life. 265 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: There is no payoff. Can how many of us can 266 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: you look at the day today and I've got a 267 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: very mundane routine day work, got an appointment with something, 268 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna come fix something on my car, blah blah blah, 269 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: take care of the kids, meal for sam uh? Can 270 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: I can you get up every day and think today 271 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: is the payoff? This is the payoff. Today is my payoff? 272 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: Is that motivating is hard? 273 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: That is hard. Yeah, I don't know. 274 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I blew my own mind. 275 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: The great philosophers of the world have concerned themselves with 276 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: this very question, and they've come up with different answers. 277 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: I may have immobilized myself. I mean no longer. I 278 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: might not be able to function the rest of the day. 279 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lock up and they're gonna carry me out 280 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: of here on a gurney. 281 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:47,359 Speaker 3: Ironic. 282 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be unfortunate, all right, Any thoughts on 283 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: this text line four one, five two nine five KFTC. 284 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: Pretty philosophical segment we did, uh, just previously, which we 285 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: do more than practically anybody I've ever heard. On radio podcast, 286 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Lex Friedman gets into it now and then on his 287 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: podcast is sort of stuff, meaning a life stuff anyway. Uh, 288 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: if you missed it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty 289 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: on demand. It's basically the the things you think are 290 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: going to make you happy aren't going to make you happy, 291 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: and just accepting daily life for what it is is 292 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: going to make you happy, which I find comforting and 293 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: depressing at the same time. Then anyway, Uh, somebody texted 294 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: I recall Spock's quote. Spock, the fictional character from Star 295 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Trek that's mister Spock to you. 296 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 3: Boy. 297 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: After a time you may find that having is not 298 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: as pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It's not logical, 299 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: but it's true. Wow, well said Spock. 300 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: Fascinating. 301 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: So we got a bombing going on, Israel bombing the 302 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: cas capital of Syria. Why will Tree angst of Fox, 303 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: explaining that somewhat. 304 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 5: Now, all of these Israeli strikes taking place in response 305 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 5: to violence that is erupting in the Swaya province of 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 5: southern Syria. There is a Druze population in southern Syria 307 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 5: that is supported by the Israeli government. So when violence 308 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: erupted there earlier this week, the Israelis began to carry 309 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: out a series of air strikes against Syrian government tanks 310 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: that were approaching the city. There was concern that they 311 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 5: would participate in the fighting that was being done between 312 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 5: the Drus and Siri Assyrian Sunni Bedouin tribe. Now, as 313 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 5: this was erupting, there were warnings and conversations taking place 314 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: with Israeli officials using back channels to speak with the 315 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 5: Syrian government telling them not to enter the sway To 316 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 5: province because it could be a threat not only to 317 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 5: Israel as these forces got closer to Israeli territory. 318 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: But also it's good Michael, So, yeah, you got this 319 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Druze population which I barely heard of ever in my life, 320 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: and apparently there's quite a few that live in Israel, 321 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: and Israel said, hey, we're going to protect these people. 322 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Well they got attacked over the weekend and it's grown 323 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: and grown and grown. 324 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's that. 325 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: And just as as tree Yngst put it, that they 326 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: have a very uneasy, let's wait and see relationship with 327 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: the former radical Islamist currently suit wearing seemingly reasonable leaders 328 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: of Syria, and they're like, no, don't bring your troops 329 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: that close to us. 330 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: The most serious threat yet to the ability of Syria's 331 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: new rulers to consolidate control of the country, says the AP. 332 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: So remember that Asad where is Asad? Does he live 333 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: in Russia? Now? I don't remember he got out of 334 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: there without being hung by his feet or having to 335 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: ride a bayonet down the street like Kadafi did in Libya, 336 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: which looked unpleasant. He escapes to Russia, and then this guy, 337 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: former isis guy, ends up, renounces, denounces his tie to 338 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: Muslim fundamentalism and ends up in charge of Syria. But 339 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: now that government might be shaky because of these big 340 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: bombings there in the capitol. I don't know there you go, right, 341 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and separating what's a religion and what's like a political party, 342 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: if you will, is very difficult in the Middle East, 343 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: which is why I despise identity politics. So you got 344 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: a breaking news up there on CNN. Bondi Attorney General 345 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: refuses to answer questions over handling of Epstein. She's answering 346 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: some questions. Somebody brought up Epstein. She said she had 347 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: no more to say about it. Trump just called the 348 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Epstein matter bull s. Can we get a ruling from 349 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: the FCC that we can say that word? The president 350 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: says it on a regular basis. The idea great word well, 351 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and the idea that we can't say what the president 352 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: said is crazy in terms of the public airwaves, right 353 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: AnyWho he calls, so, how do you feel about that? 354 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: If you voted for Trump at least partially or maybe 355 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: a lot, because they were going to get to the 356 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the Epstein thing. He calls the whole thing bulls. 357 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: More on what bulls that we can't say bulls? More 358 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: on what Trump just said about the Epstein stuff coming 359 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: up Armstrong and Getty. 360 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 6: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said that Attorney General 361 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: Bondi should come forward and explain her inconsistent statements about 362 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 6: the Epstein files, and at least two Republican senators close 363 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 6: to Trump are calling for congressional testimony from Gallaine Maxwell, 364 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 6: Epstein's longtime associate who is now in prison for conspiring 365 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 6: with Epstein to sexually abuse young girls. 366 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: So here's an off the air conversation Joe and I 367 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: just had. I just checked in with a correspondent from 368 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: the world of the country's being run by pedophiles and 369 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: Epstein is the keystone. Disappointed in Trump that he's helping 370 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: to cover this up, said to me, how many people 371 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: are there with this point of view? My response would 372 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: be enough to get the Speaker of a House to 373 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: tell the Attorney General she needs to come clean with 374 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: the stuff. He must be hearing from enough people that 375 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: he thinks it's politically important for him to act like 376 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: he's on that. 377 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: I would say, to put out this fire as quickly 378 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: as possible. 379 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, I find it hard to believe that. Speaker 380 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: Johnson believes this. But anyway, So here's Joe Rogan talking 381 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: about it in his podcast, which represents a lot of MAGA. 382 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: They've got videotape, and all of a sudden, they don't 383 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: you know, you have the director of the FBI on 384 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: this show saying there's no tape. There was nothing you're 385 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: looking for is on those tapes? Like what, why'd they 386 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people 387 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: doing horrible Why did they say that? Didn't Pam Bondy 388 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: say that, I. 389 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: Can tell you why exactly. 390 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: If I have a concern real or imagine, and a 391 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: politician says you're absolutely right about your concern and I'm 392 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: gonna fix it, you vote for them. 393 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. 394 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: You've got a certain sub segment of MAGA or Republicans 395 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: or humans who believe this stuff and are fired up 396 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: about it, and you want their votes. Having gotten their 397 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 2: votes and now being put in a position of power 398 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: where you could actually solve it, now you've got somehow 399 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: to square that circle and say, yeah, yeah, you know, 400 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: it's not actually really a thing. I got all the 401 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 2: files and there's nothing there. Having built their career on 402 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: saying you're right it's real and I'm gonna fix it. 403 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, some of them knew it wasn't real or didn't 404 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: think it was real. Some people believe it's real or 405 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: believed it's real. 406 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: Now. 407 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't know about these House members you're about to 408 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: hear from. I don't know all of them. Norman, Burchett, Bobert, 409 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, listen to what they have to say. These 410 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: are some Republicans who want answers. 411 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 7: Whatever they have, and I think Van Vondi is turning 412 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 7: it over somebody else now or whatever they have it. 413 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 7: They used to be transparent. 414 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 8: The needs to come out transparent. 415 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 7: I would say that I don't know what they had 416 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 7: give me. This all just came to a head and 417 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 7: we'll see. But I'm on all this. It should be 418 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 7: transparent to the American people so they don't need to 419 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 7: see what's in there, and that's not hard. 420 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 8: Should there be an investigation or a special counsel investigation, 421 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm not an attorney. I just find 422 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 8: them guilty and hang them publicly. I mean, I'm not 423 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 8: that's not over the top either. I'm ready. I'm over 424 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 8: it to disgust me. I'm big on clarity and transparency, 425 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 8: and you know that's a good reason people don't trust government, 426 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 8: either party. 427 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: But you don't believe what the Justice Department is saying. 428 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, I don't. 429 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: I don't. 430 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 8: I think, I don't, I don't. 431 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: I don't trust me. 432 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 5: I think moving forward, we need a special counsel that 433 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 5: has got to happen. 434 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: There special a certain segment that wants a special council. 435 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Whoa will that happen or not? You know how special 436 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: councils work. They start digging into one thing and it 437 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: turns into another thing and who knows where that ever goes. 438 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: That middle guy Burchette or Burchette, I want him hung 439 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: now he publicly it's disgusted me. He is a guy 440 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that clearly believes it's true that we have a you know, 441 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: a pedophile ring run by business leaders and politicians of 442 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: all stripes. The elite of this country are behind a 443 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: giant child sex trafficking ring that has been going on 444 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: here that has to do with the Masade and the Jews, 445 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: So Hollywood, business leaders, Republicans, and Democrats, mostly Democrats. I 446 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: don't believe that at all that that is happening, but 447 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: some of you do that guy wants him hung. Now see, 448 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you got that crowd that is influential enough to make 449 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House at least to have to 450 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: pretend to care. 451 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: Right. 452 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: Well, then Trump continues to push back on his biggest supporters. 453 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: You're CNN reporting on the truth social that came out 454 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: while we're on the air today, forty Michael. 455 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 9: Clearly, this is not dying down in the way that 456 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 9: the President had hoped. We heard him yesterday saying this 457 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 9: was uninteresting, but what we're hearing from today is far harsher. 458 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 9: The President accusing on the one hand, Democrats of manufacturing this, 459 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 9: saying that it's a Jeffrey Epstein hoax, but then going 460 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 9: very harshly after those very Republicans who are his supporters 461 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 9: and are calling for more transparency, saying that his past 462 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 9: supporters have bought into what he calls bs. He uses 463 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 9: the actual word, he calls it hook, line and sinker. 464 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 9: The President going on to say, let these weaklings continue 465 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 9: forward and do the Democrats work, concluding I don't want 466 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 9: their support anymore. 467 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Oooh boy, that's a heck of a thing. So I 468 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: was just reading some tweets from people saying things like 469 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed in Donald Trump. I can't believe he's 470 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: part of this. He called them weaklings. I don't want 471 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: their support anymore. 472 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 3: Well for the BS, hook Line and Sinker right. 473 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if the crowd that's really into 474 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: this is one percent of his support or five or thirty. 475 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: I haven't got the slightest idea, do. 476 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: You No, I'd be guessing it's more than five. 477 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: I don't know. I would. 478 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm tempted to guess, but there's no point in it. 479 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: You know what, play play Mike Johnson for me thirty two. 480 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: I think this explains a lot. 481 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 10: It's a very delicate subject, but we should we should 482 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 10: put everything out there and let the people decide it. 483 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 10: I agree with the sentiment that we need to we 484 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 10: need to put it out there. And you know, Pam 485 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 10: BONDI I don't know when she originally made the statement. 486 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 10: I think she was talking about document as I understood 487 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 10: it that they were on her desk. I don't know 488 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 10: that she was specific about a list or whatever. But 489 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 10: she's to come forward and explain that to everybody. 490 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 3: All right, So here's exactly what's going on and the 491 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: whole the Great Conspiracy theory thing. 492 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: There are plenty of facts there that really lend themselves 493 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: to spinning a great complicated, nefarious yarn. 494 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: It's not like it's fact free. 495 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: It's just that you know too many dots are connected 496 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: to you know confidently they're not. Really, they don't build 497 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: the case you think they do. I think y'all are wrong. 498 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: But again, as I say many times, we can still 499 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: be friends. And if I'm wrong, I will say so. 500 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: But what Mike Johnson is saying, and a number of 501 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: people are saying, and then Trump put it way more 502 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: strongly than they would have, is look Cash, Betel, Dan Bongino, 503 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 2: Pam Bondy. You catered to these people in their belief. 504 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: You reinforced it, and you said you were the people 505 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 2: to get in there and solve it, to get their 506 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: votes and get their support. 507 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: They gave it to you. 508 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 2: Now you are in the Henhouse, you have access to 509 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: everything you need to fulfill your promise. But you know 510 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: now and you knew then that it wasn't true. This giant, 511 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 2: mysterious sex masade. 512 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: Cabal doesn't exist and never did. 513 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: And what Mike Johnson is saying is and you just said, no, 514 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: it's fine. 515 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: We've looked at it and there's nothing there. 516 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: That's not good enough you convince these people that it 517 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: was true and you are going to fix it. You 518 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: need to know better than yeah, I've looked at the 519 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: file and there's nothing there. Anyway, moving along, we need 520 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: more and like several people have said, we need more transparency, 521 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: Well you need to do a hell of a lot 522 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: better job of building the case that there's nothing there 523 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: and never was, or it's not going to satisfy anybody. 524 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: Well, before we get to Trump's comments, because they're a 525 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: separate thing, the reason ones what could Bondye or the 526 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: FBI director Patel say at this point, I think coming 527 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: clean and saying, look, we were just jerking you around 528 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: to get vote. No, they wouldn't believe that for one thing. 529 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's and that is what could you say at 530 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: this point, Well, that's the hazard of doing what they 531 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: did is undoing it is practically impossible. But man, especially 532 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: because the nature of this and I've read it with 533 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: interest more as a student of human psychology than like 534 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: believing any of it. But the people who like are 535 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: the fuel of this sort of thing. They're very, very creative, 536 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: and as they will identify somebody like Donald Trump is 537 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: the great center by Jesus Christ, hero who's going to 538 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: solve this? And then when he comes out saying stuff 539 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: like you said today or doing the things he's done lately, 540 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: they will invent a very creative, well written scenario of 541 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: why he did that, how they got to him, and 542 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: how that proves X, Y and Z. 543 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: Well. 544 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Trump probably does know what percentage of his voter support 545 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: are these people. He probably has those numbers. We're guessing 546 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: is it one or thirty percent? He probably not. 547 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: Don Junior knows. 548 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, But so who was it that had the article 549 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: a while back the great Mainstreaming of Donald Trump? And 550 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: it was about how he is really fairly mainstream at 551 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: this point on a whole bunch of different things, and 552 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: maybe this is another one of them where he's thinking, 553 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get more of the middle of the politics 554 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: to come to my side. By casting these people off net, 555 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: we'll have more people. So I'm saying to him, I 556 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: don't want your support anymore. You're crazy, And he's gonna 557 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: handle a bigger chunk. 558 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: He doesn't neither support anymore because he's lame duck and 559 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: he can't run again, so he's like, all right, I'm 560 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: done catering to you people. 561 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: Well, he wants to annoying. 562 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: I assume he wants to win the midterms though still 563 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: have the Congress, so he doesn't get himpeach him. 564 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the whole coattails thing, I don't know. It's 565 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: it's it's so overrated. As you've you know, said many 566 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: many times. I think it's it reminds me very much 567 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: of And you made this point. You were one of 568 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: the first people I heard made this point, make this 569 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: point during the first campaign. 570 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: Uh, And you can talk about Charlottesville or whatever. 571 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: But when the media and everybody on the left was 572 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: going insane calling Trump a racist, saying the only reason 573 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: to support Trump is because you're a racist. Only racists 574 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 2: support Trump, blah blah blah, it was just stupid and 575 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: wrong and way overstated and and group think is the 576 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: left off and is But Trump was doing the same thing. 577 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: He wasn't going to say anything to run off the racists. 578 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: He thought, what's the point. It's like angering the plumbers 579 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: union when he's building a hotel. There's no point. It 580 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: doesn't do him any good. And the mainstreamers were saying, no, 581 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: you got to disavow this and that, and you gotta 582 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: condemn him. What about this guy the name of Aim, 583 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: you gotta say you hate him. He's like, I don't 584 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: know the guy. Uh. And this is similar up until 585 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: roughly now, there was no point in running off the 586 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: Epstein conspiracy. Theorist crowd didn't do him any good. But 587 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: I always had enough. But god, dang it, you could 588 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: be more gentle with somebody. I mean, if people honest, 589 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: honestly believe something that emotionally is very important to them, 590 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Trump is unnecessarily hurtful on a daily 591 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: basis to friends, allies, supporters, cabinet members. But man, if 592 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: you have people who were who care a lot about 593 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 2: child sexual abuse and who doesn't but in some cases 594 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: they were abused themselves and whatever motivates them to be 595 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: in the crowd, and they think there's a lot of 596 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: you know, this sex traffic of kids going on and 597 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: Trump can stop it. And he doesn't just say, look, 598 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: I know you care about this. I care about it too. 599 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: It's horrible. I'll do anything I can to lessen that 600 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: in our country. But there's not a giant ring of 601 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: Democrats running. 602 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't. He called them weirdos. He says, I don't 603 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: want your. 604 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: Support, right, it's a sincerely held believe Yes exactly, that's 605 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: my point. 606 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: You just said it in forwards instead of my fifty. 607 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: Well this is the guy who called his at the 608 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: time Director of National Intelligence. 609 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: Well he said, I don't care what she thinks. 610 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, she's still the DNI. That's the same guy. 611 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: So it's not that shocking. Wow, it is surprising yet unshocking. 612 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: Shocking yet unsurprising. 613 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: That's the one he wants. The story overs what he wants. 614 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't want this to last another day? What do 615 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: I gotta say to end this freaking Epstein story? That's 616 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: what he's thinking. 617 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: Yes exactly, Okay, Wow. 618 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: I don't want your support anymore. 619 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: Whoooo and for what it's worth, we may differ on this, friends, 620 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: on this specific question, but we are certainly as enthusiastic 621 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: as you are about ending child's sexual exploitation and abuse 622 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: wherever it happens. Oh, speaking of which, next hour and 623 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: if you don't get Next Hour, you can just follow 624 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: us on whatever podcasting service you like. Armstrong getting on 625 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: demand a child porn related story. In another porn related 626 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: story with some troubling. You know, this is the age 627 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: of the Internet implications. But also I've got a very weird, 628 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: probably unwise, contrarian take on an extremely controversial topic. Okay, 629 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: we'll probably end both my careers. My career and everybody 630 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: else who works on the show. 631 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: Well, that's something to look forward to an hour Michael 632 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Yours to Michael. So, uh, coming up is AI? How 633 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: racist is AI? Actress Emma Watson has lost your driver's license? 634 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: Full teams, among other things, the way to hear. 635 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 6: A nudist group in Pittsburgh over the weekend held its 636 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 6: annual Balls Out Bowling event. 637 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: Because who hasn't hung out at a bowling alley and thought. 638 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 9: I wish all these people were naked. 639 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that's a different version. Yep, yeah, Okay. 640 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump just said in a meeting that he's going 641 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: to fire Fed Chief Powell. So whatever, all right, there 642 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: you go away. 643 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: And that does tariff thing's about to come home to risk. 644 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: It's funny. 645 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: A couple of oddly related stories. Number one, the future 646 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: farming is entirely automated. It's just reading about it. It 647 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: knocked my socks off. It's clearly the future. Maybe we'll 648 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: talk about it next hour, if not maybe tomorrow. 649 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: Generally, all the tractor driving shit be I mean, what 650 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: a monotonous job that. I mean, there's a reason that 651 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: at least back in the day, like twelve year olds 652 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: drove tractors, because anybody can do the part that's just 653 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: back and forth in a field. 654 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And it's super interesting from a technical 655 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: point of view. 656 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: But more on that to come. 657 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: Speaking of professions that are oddly dominated by people who 658 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 2: don't seem to be native English speakers, construction. I've been 659 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: observing with great interest the construction part of our remodel 660 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: that we've got going on. 661 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 3: Judy and me. 662 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: Unge and Joe's getting a dungeon, putting itself a sex dungeon. 663 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 664 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: And I'm the kind of guy I did not grow up, 665 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: you know, among carpenters and builders and that sort of thing. 666 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: I came to it late in life because Judy and 667 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: I will post childhood, because we were young and poor 668 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: and we'd buy crappy houses than do like most of 669 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: the work ourselves to fix them up and make them livable. 670 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: So I learned a fair amount, but I'm still like 671 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: have a newbies fascination with how they. 672 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: Do this stuff. 673 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: And I was watching the guys building our chimney because 674 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 2: he got a fireplace, and uh, and these guys, first 675 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: of all, they're at the top of this scaffolding that 676 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 2: I would poop a brick. I mean, I would never 677 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 2: ever climb up there. I'm glad they're doing it, but 678 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: it struck me. In this age of incredible technology and 679 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: and laser pointers and computers and and and AI and 680 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: the rest of it, the best, most universally useful tool 681 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: for figuring out whether something is level or not is 682 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: a bubble suspended and fluid. Nothing has come close to 683 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: a bubble suspended and fluid. 684 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: Perfect. 685 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: It is perfect. And I just thought, Wow, surround it 686 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: with fancy aluminum and all. But that's still like the 687 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: best ever developed. 688 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: I have a level on my phone. Do you have 689 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: one of those? I use it semi one. I was 690 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: building fences and stuff. 691 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: I would you. 692 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: Know, it's funny. I never think of it. I grabbed 693 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: my actual level. When was the level invented? 694 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,479 Speaker 1: Oh, it's got to be way way, way way back. 695 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: Greekly the internet probably know. 696 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: Egyptians probably had a level for building the periods pyramids. 697 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: The pyramids yeah, you look back, thousands of Archimedes and 698 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 2: the great mathematicians of old Man. They were way smarter 699 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: than me, and they didn't even have a car. 700 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: So groc Elon's AI outfit, trying to get past the 701 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: anti Semitism thing from last week, has two new characters 702 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 1: that are hilarious unintentionally and sexual. 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