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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Sophia Bush here, Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they're still going. Hi everyone, welcome to a very special

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Speaker 1: episode of Work in Progress. I am thrilled to introduce

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Speaker 1: you all to someone that has just blown me away

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Speaker 1: I know that you guys are not only going to

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Speaker 1: our health in general. Today I am joined by Dr

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Speaker 1: Darien Sutton. Dr Darien is an emergency medicine physician, an

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Speaker 1: ABC News medical contributor, and an innovator when it comes

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Speaker 1: their health. Dr Arion's day job may be limited to

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Speaker 1: to his incredibly valuable and accessible social media platforms. Dr

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Speaker 1: Darien started a platform. Dr Darien started a program called

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Speaker 1: move to YouTube with his friend and collaborator, Harley Whaliah.

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Speaker 1: He shares everything from the latest updates on health epidemics

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Speaker 1: one finds themselves in a medical emergency, all with one

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Speaker 1: goal in mind to better equip you and me and

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Speaker 1: people everywhere with the knowledge needed to live their best

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Speaker 1: and healthiest life. In my conversation with Dr Darien, we

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Speaker 1: discussed his childhood and family, how he became interested in medicine,

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Speaker 1: the unique path that his education took, his passion for

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Speaker 1: educating others are current health crisis, the social and political

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Speaker 1: climate in our country right now, so much more. Darry

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Speaker 1: and Hi, I'm so happy to see you today, even

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Speaker 1: through the computer. I know, virtual hugs, virtual hugs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's so exciting, honestly to get to sit down with

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Speaker 1: you and do this. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being a champion of science. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for for putting yourself out there in the way that

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Speaker 1: especially right now. Thank you. I really appreciate that. I

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Speaker 1: think any voice that helps augment the voices of those

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Speaker 1: and so many of my friends have become advocates of

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Speaker 1: science and it's really quite a beautiful thing to see. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so cool. Well, I guess I guess I should

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Speaker 1: go back and let you know, folks know how we

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Speaker 1: know each other because, um I've I've been sharing with

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Speaker 1: my audience so much of the work that you've been

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Speaker 1: doing on Instagram. Um your your your bust off science,

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Speaker 1: explaining how medicine works, what a pandemic means to people.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't actually the pandemic that connected us. Um

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Speaker 1: I I have to love on the person that you love.

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to have become friends with your wonderful

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Speaker 1: beautiful man on Philip's Instagram who just is the happiest

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Speaker 1: dancer and he's a doctor. I felt like a mom,

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Speaker 1: you know, just so so proud of him that his

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Speaker 1: for for initially introducing us. Yeah, right as we speak,

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Speaker 1: a global pandemic. Right now, How are you? How? How

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Speaker 1: involved preparing for what we call mass casualty incidents, and

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Speaker 1: has felt like I have gone through that simulation every

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm being I'm being scientifically gas lit

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Speaker 1: and basic fact. And although I think that's an important discussion,

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Speaker 1: But I'm using the test, the example of testing as

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Speaker 1: and so for me, that's what is sometimes frustrating. It's

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Speaker 1: It is it is another version of emotional labor. That

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Speaker 1: together on your Instagram platform and your YouTube channel, you

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Speaker 1: do bus stop medicine, which essentially, if correct me, if

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Speaker 1: you're essentially bringing easily communicator, easily translatable, well communicated science

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Speaker 1: And I wonder, how did you become Dr Darian? You

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Speaker 1: Can you kind of paint the picture of your beginnings

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Speaker 1: a medical school with over a hundred people in a

434
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Speaker 1: class with only one other person of color, or excuse me,

435
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: two other people of color, one of whom was a

436
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: black male. And this does not allow communication and discussion

437
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: to be birth. And I've seen it on all aspects

438
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: of my education and training. I think this time of

439
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: this social awareness of racism has not just allowed people

440
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: to realize it, but it has forced me to realize

441
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: the microaggressions and the subtle racism that has happened to

442
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: me on a daily basis. And sometimes I just want

443
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: to say, like you said, it is not worth it.

444
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: There's a wall that is too vertical for me to climb.

445
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I am too tired, I am exhausted. Um. But then

446
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: I look at my nephews, my nieces, the younger people

447
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: in my family, and I'm honestly motivated to continue because

448
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: I feel like if I've gotten this far from the

449
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: strength of my parents and my ancestors, then I can

450
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: only go further. And I want to use my voice

451
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: for for that. And so it is exhausting, but it

452
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: is motivating um for me personally. Yeah, I again, just

453
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: from a proximal version of an experience of oppression or discrimination.

454
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: The thing I keep coming back to when we look

455
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: at all of these stats, and I think, especially in

456
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: in the medical field, how important it is to your

457
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: point to talk about these things to change the makeup

458
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: in the rooms is even again, as a woman, I

459
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: think about seeing Senator Ted Cruz tweet that pregnancy is

460
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: not life threatening, when pregnancy is literally one of the

461
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: most life threatening things a woman ever goes through, and

462
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: so many countless women have died. And currently today we

463
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: know that maternal mortality rates in America which are appalling

464
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: on a global scale, we fall so far behind so

465
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: many countries around the world, despite being the richest nation

466
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Speaker 1: on earth, that here in America, black women are four

467
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: times more likely to die in childbirth than white women.

468
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: And I think about the ignorance of a man in

469
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Speaker 1: a position of power who's meant to represent people, including

470
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Speaker 1: women who make up the population in this country, for

471
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Speaker 1: him to say something like that, We've got to talk

472
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: in terms of the facts, right, And whether that's about

473
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: maternal mortality or the effects of this pandemic, or the

474
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: fact that we so frustrating lee are still talking to

475
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: people about whether a very real pandemic, by the way

476
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: that is global, is real here in the US. The

477
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists, I just can't. I'm curious, how do you

478
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: think the average person can assist your work? How do

479
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: you think the average person can support the facts that

480
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: you're putting out in the world. What do you want

481
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: women who look like me who come into your hospital

482
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: to understand about your experience or perhaps the experience of

483
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: the other women in that hospital waiting room. I think

484
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: that's a fantastic point and question. I just want to

485
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: say that what you're saying brings up the important point

486
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: of not being counted. UM. When people make statements that

487
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: are global about an issue such as pregnancy not being dangerous,

488
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: disregarding that it's disproportionately affecting black and brown women who

489
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: are trying, who are just trying to survive, UM, that

490
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: is shows you that that person is simply negating that

491
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: experience iNTS and not counting. And that's something that is

492
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: happening throughout all of science and one of the reasons

493
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: inequities exists, and that is maintained in the hospital and

494
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: creates the disparities that we see in people of color.

495
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: And so I think that the primary issue is not

496
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: being able to be counted and the lack of data.

497
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: If you don't have data or statistics of the disproportionate

498
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: effects of something like the stars code two virus or

499
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen on people of color, you simply don't know

500
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: where to direct your resources. If you suppress people from

501
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: volunteering to participate in the senses you don't know where

502
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: you should put benefits and community outreach. You know, these

503
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: things are repetitive throughout history, and there are tactics when

504
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: you suppress, you don't count, and then that person does

505
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: not exist. So therefore your life is more comfortable. And

506
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: that is what we have to make people aware of

507
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: and to make people recognize. I'm seeing now more and

508
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: more unfortunately, as patients are coming into the hospital, they

509
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: are more likely statistically to be people of color. And

510
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: what I fear is that this virus will become that

511
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: of a virus of people of color. And when that happens,

512
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: it will easily be negated. It will be taken off

513
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: of the common screens. We won't have cute, fun stories

514
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: and media to share and empathize about because the people

515
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: that we're talking about are people of color, and that

516
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: is not as easily relatable on a broad scale as

517
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: it is talking about someone who is might be of

518
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: status of power and usually not a person of color.

519
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: And so that is what I want people to realize.

520
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: I have personal stake in this because every time I

521
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: see a patient of color, I think about someone related

522
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: to me. And I feel like that's what provides me

523
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: this motivation to continue to speak up and speak out.

524
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: But my concern is that people will forget about this,

525
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: just like the other disproportionate issues in medicine, we've forgotten

526
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: about it. We often don't realize how, how, how the

527
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: insanity of the fact that the disproportionate rates of death

528
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: between people who are having a baby in this country

529
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: are because of their color of their skin. It's just

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00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: something that to me is like so blatant that unless

531
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you're experiencing it, I don't I couldn't understand how anyone

532
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: could ignore it. But obviously I can't because it's a

533
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: part of my life and I wake up every day

534
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: as a black person. So I think that the one

535
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: thing that people can do is to continue to provide

536
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: voice to those who don't have a seat at the table,

537
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: to continue to advocate so that we can increase community

538
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: outreach and these communities of need that have these overt disparities,

539
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: and to continue to make people realize that these numbers

540
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: are real, that this virus is very very real. Mm hmm.

541
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: It strikes me as you explain that from this particular

542
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: point of perspective, in the midst of COVID nineteen. What it,

543
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: what it sort of creates as an image in my head,

544
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: is a feedback loop of a racher that the lack

545
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: of data, the lack of being counted, then creates this

546
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: kind of vacuum where people's experiences have been erased. And

547
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: then by not filling in that vacuum with the data

548
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: that is available to us, by ignoring it, I shouldn't

549
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: say us, I should say, you know, folks who are

550
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: in charge ignoring it, it continues that loop, and you

551
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: can see how it works throughout phases of people's lives.

552
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: And so it feels to me like an immense responsibility

553
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: to interrupt it and and to to stop it. And

554
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people at home who are listening

555
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: to us have this conversation who are wondering how they

556
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: can do that. Advocate, as as Dr Darien just said,

557
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in your community, make sure people are taking the census,

558
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Go out, register voters, register to be a poll worker.

559
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Do things that will support your communities so that everyone

560
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: has a chance to be heard and counted, so that

561
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: everyone has a chance to cast a ballot. That's the

562
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: only way that we begin to create equity, and it

563
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: especially in a time like this when we see how

564
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: fragile our demandocracy is, that one thing, you know, a

565
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: pandemic can take an pre existing disparity, almost like a

566
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: pre existing health condition, and blow open the chasm between

567
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the people who have been counted and who have had

568
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: access to resources and the people who haven't. It's on

569
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: all of us to solve for that, because it's on

570
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: all of us to advocate for each other as as

571
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: community members. And and you know, I just I want

572
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: to thank you for being frank about this. I I

573
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: know that there are people who are having lightbulbs go

574
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: off as that they are listening to you talk about

575
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: this stuff. And I know that it has to be

576
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: frustrating to have somebody say, talk to me about your

577
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: blackness and your profession. You're like, can I just be

578
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: a doctor for a day? But you you are a

579
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: voice that people need to hear from because experiences for

580
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: so many of the folks who look like you are

581
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: often not given an audience. And I appreciate you sharing

582
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: your experience with an audience. And I and I want

583
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that I understand that there is an amount

584
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: of emotional labor that comes with that, And I'm very

585
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: grateful that it's the kind of labor you're willing to

586
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: do so that we can, hopefully, as time progresses, lessen

587
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: the requirement for it having to be done in the

588
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: first place. I just really thank you. I appreciate you.

589
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I have a question, you know, and again this may

590
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: seem redundant, This might be taking us back to zero,

591
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: so we can prove that the answer is for um,

592
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: how for for people out there who are still wondering

593
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: on the being on the receiving end of all this misinformation,

594
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: how COVID nineteen works. Can you talk to us a

595
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: little bit about what this is, why this is not

596
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: the flu, and and what in particular, because of the

597
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: data that came out this week about mortality rates and

598
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: folks with comorbidity ees and with folks who were only

599
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: suffering from COVID, can you can you just kind of

600
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: make sense of some of this stuff for us, Because

601
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: there was a big about of misinformation where then there

602
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: were conspiracy theorists trying to say that, uh, so many

603
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: less people have died of COVID than have actually died

604
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: of COVID. And I think a lot of people don't

605
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: know where to get information they trust, and you are

606
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: the one. Well. I can understand how UM information such

607
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: as that report that was published with the CDC can

608
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: be confusing, because even for me, I had to double

609
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: take it and I said, wait, what is this information

610
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: actually trying to tell me? UM, Just so that we

611
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: can solve that confusion, because I think it's a very

612
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: important point. I think people are looking at it backwards.

613
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: Often people are focusing on the idea of what this

614
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: six percent means and how that translates to how our

615
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: overall health as a nation. So that report basically stated

616
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: that this many people X many people have died of

617
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: COVID and and looking at the comorbidities that existed upon

618
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: their death, of them had additional comorbidities. That's essentially all

619
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that was simply saying, So if I can help someone

620
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: understand if you have a history of diabetes or high

621
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: blood pressure, or even if you have a history of

622
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: psoriasis and you come to the hospital, all of those

623
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: things are notified or documented on your existing Problems list,

624
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: and we make sure that we document them because as

625
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: a healthcare community, we have to easily translate other issues

626
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: that can be missed when you are targeting something as

627
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: intense as treating someone with COVID nineteen or the stars

628
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Kobe two virus. So in the event that the unfortunate

629
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: event that that patient were to die, all of those

630
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: issues are also listed as contributing factors, although they might

631
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: not have been the end all cause. That patient was

632
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: brought to the hospital knowingly because of COVID nineteen, and

633
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: although they were battling other pre existing conditions, their battle

634
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen was lost, and that resulted in their death.

635
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: And so when I look at that, it actually has

636
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: kind of shocked me in a different way. I said, Wow,

637
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: this many people are dealing in the United States with

638
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: other comorbidities and we only have six percent that are

639
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: not That speaks to a problem within healthcare. You know,

640
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: we have this many comorbidities that exists at It's such

641
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: a high level of prevalence, and we are failing as

642
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: a healthcare community to solve that. And if people who

643
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: are maybe a health privilege not realize how difficult it

644
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: is for a patient to see their primary care provider

645
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: to manage common issues such as diabetes and had blood pressure.

646
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: And the reason why I know is because as an

647
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: emergency physician, I am the person that they come to.

648
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: The emergency room is a source of a primary care

649
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: plank for many Americans and unfortunate Lee, I have spent

650
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: my time refilling medications for basic prescriptions for basic illnesses

651
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: while also trying to coordinate care because the patient simply

652
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: does not have access to that care. And so I mean, personally,

653
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: I understand why the confusion can come. But I hope

654
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: people realize that not only were chromorbidities listed on these

655
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: lists that were documented as but other issues that were

656
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: secondary to COVID, such as a cute lung injury and pneumonia,

657
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: as well as um UH, many other renal failure, many

658
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: other complications of COVID nineteen are listed. We use that

659
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: to communicate science and to understand, especially retrospectively, how we

660
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: can treat the future patients. So it can be confusing,

661
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: but just know that that number encompasses a lot of

662
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: different variables, and if you don't sit and really understand them,

663
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: it can you can confuse that for a cause and

664
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: stead cause and effect instead of disassociation. Exactly. One of

665
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: the things that was really important for me to learn

666
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: because I as well as a person who's really been

667
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: closely following the science and who has the privilege of

668
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: being able to shoot you a d M or call

669
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Jessica Malatti Rivera and ask for a translation on something.

670
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: When I read it, I thought, wait, hold on, hold

671
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the phone, what does this mean? And when I started

672
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: asking doctors and scientists like yourself. One of the things

673
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: that really was striking to me about the fatality rates

674
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: of COVID was that comorbidity ease, which are not fatal

675
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: to so many Americans, become fatal because COVID overwhelms their system.

676
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: So for me, for example, the way it was put

677
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: into perspective for me um that that really was kind

678
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: of chilling. I've had as well my whole life. I'm

679
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: really predisposed to upper respiratory infections. When when lots of

680
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: people will get let's say, a sinus infection or bronchitis,

681
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: all come down with pneumonia, it really, it really is

682
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: exacerbated in my system. And so that would mean God

683
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: forbid that if I were to contract COVID nineteen, I

684
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: would be at an elevated risk from a perfectly manageable

685
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: asthma diagnosis. My asthma could cause complications that would become fatal,

686
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: where otherwise my asthma would not be fatal. And that

687
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: that to me really translated or really deeply communicated that

688
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: COVID is a very what's the word I'm looking for, COVID.

689
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: COVID is a killer? It is, yes, and and that

690
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: that feels like an important piece of communication for people

691
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: who are now having to argue with family members about

692
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: what the CDC report did or did not say. And

693
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: six is also a large number for someone who has

694
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: had no medical issues. People have to also realize that

695
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: that made me concern as a reasonably able bodied, healthy

696
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: person that comes into COVID, ainto contact with COVID nineteen

697
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: every single day, I realized the chances of my as

698
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: if I were to become infected, We're higher than I perceived.

699
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: And so that was I mean, both of those numbers

700
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: are concerning, and I think it's important to understand them.

701
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: But let this be said, as Dr Fauci said, these

702
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: people that COVID is real and these deaths are a

703
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: tributed bolts of COVID, and I think actually the numbers

704
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: are understated because of the lack in testing times we

705
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: have had, oftentimes many patients who passed without identifying that

706
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: there are a COVID nineteen person or a courvid COVID

707
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: nineteen patients. So I think that it's really important to

708
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: realize that not only these numbers real, but they're probably underestimated. Yes,

709
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I actually just two weeks ago was listening to a doctor.

710
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: I'll have to look up his name. I wrote it down,

711
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: but a doctor was on NPR Midday um talking about

712
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: how one of the things no one's highlighted yet is

713
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: if you look at again because to your point, the whole,

714
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: the whole reason that you catalog comorbidit ease that you

715
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: catalog what medications people are on is for the data.

716
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: It's so that we can look back at these data

717
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: sets and figure out in the future ways to potentially

718
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: save lives, ways to examine if someone gets COVID nineteen

719
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: but has another issue, Uh, they can be on this

720
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: medication but not that medication. It's it's so that we

721
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: can serve people. And he was explaining that there is

722
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: annual health data and annual mortality rates and and all

723
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: of this information we can look back at. And this

724
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: doctor on on NPR said that and I listened to

725
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: the report, um you and I are speaking the first

726
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: week of September. I listened to this report in the

727
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: middle of August, and he was explaining that from March

728
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: when when COVID nineteen became an outbreak across America, through

729
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: August when he was doing this interview, there have been

730
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: an additional six hundred thousand deaths in the country that

731
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: are above the average, and so at his most conservative estimate,

732
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: he would say that two hundred thousand of those deaths

733
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: are also from OVID nineteen and perhaps more, which rocked

734
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: me because I thought, Okay, we're at a hundred and

735
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: eighty thousand deaths. If it's another two deaths, that's double

736
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: the number that we know, and and so that to

737
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: really put what we're up against in perspective, um you

738
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: know in a way that that was shocking and and

739
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, motivating because lots of us

740
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: are beginning to experience stay at home and work from

741
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: home fatigue and wondering when we can begin resuming any

742
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: semblance of normalcy. And when I listened to that report,

743
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: and then I looked at the CDC report and thought

744
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: about my own potential co morbidities. I was like, yeah,

745
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm just not leaving the house for any reason. I'm

746
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna I'm gonna double down again. The grocery

747
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: store is fine, but I really need to I need

748
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: to keep my ship tight. And I thought about people

749
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: like you. I thought about my friends who are out there,

750
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: who are on the front lines, who are essential workers,

751
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: and and really, I I want to remind people listening,

752
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and I want to express my own things. What you

753
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: are doing is not something any of us can get

754
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: used to. It's not something you know when I say

755
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: this for the audience, This is not something we can

756
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: be desensitized to. Doctors like Darien are quite literally risking

757
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: their lives every single day to treat people in a

758
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: pandemic that we are still in the discovery phase on.

759
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: You don't know what the solution is. We don't have

760
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: a vaccine. Plasma is not a proven treatment. Everyone is

761
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: scrambling to figure out how to solve this. And and

762
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: you and your coworkers deserve our our most immense thanks.

763
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: Your partners do as well. You know you're you're in

764
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: the e er every day and you come home to

765
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: fill up every day, and you guys as a family

766
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: unit have had to figure out what this means for you.

767
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: And I really hope that as this is becoming sort

768
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: of normalized as a new way of life for for

769
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: those of us who are you know, the average American

770
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: who are listening to this conversation, that no one forgets

771
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: the sacrifice you make every day in the risk you're

772
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: willing to take to honor your oath and serve your patients.

773
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: I I really think, like I want to like send

774
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: you a cape. I think you're a superhero. You deserve

775
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: an outfit. It's a whole it's a whole thing. And

776
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys that that added you talk about,

777
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: you're swearing in, you're putting on the white coat. You

778
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: you are the real You are the real superheroes. You

779
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: are the real rock stars. And I I can't thank

780
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: you enough for your commitment despite everything happening in the world.

781
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I so so appreciate that. It means more than more

782
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: than you know to me to hear that. I also

783
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: want to make sure people realize that although like you said,

784
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: we haven't figured this out, the one thing that has

785
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: proven correct and effective time and time again is wearing

786
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: a mask, washing your hand and socially distancing. People ask

787
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: me all the time if I think that that is credible,

788
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: and I look at them and I say, how do

789
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: you think I'm standing here? I come into I meet

790
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: and touch someone with COVID nineteen. Every single day I

791
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: put on my scrubs and if it weren't for ppe

792
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: basic precautions masks, because I'm not wearing it in ninety five,

793
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: at every single point of my day, I'm often wearing

794
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: regular surgical masks. These are the things that protect me.

795
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: And I believe truly in my heart, my deep heart,

796
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: that these are the things that can protect people everywhere.

797
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: But I think that it's the unfortunate part is that

798
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: there's there's so much can tension around it right now.

799
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: And I wish I could just put a billboard up

800
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: that says, this is what we found out that works.

801
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: Looking states like New York where we're living on top

802
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: of each other, and the results of effective social distancing,

803
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: um appropriate store closures as well as wearing a mask works.

804
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I wish I could say. Yes,

805
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: and a couple of small facts, because these are some

806
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: things from bus stop, you know, medicine that have been

807
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: really important. One thing that you said that I thought,

808
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: oh god, that is important to remind people wash your

809
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: hands before you put your mask on, before you go

810
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: out into the world, because you never know what you

811
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: might have come into contact with. Um what what are

812
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: some other little facts like that that that you think

813
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: people need to know? So it's it's people are always

814
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: asking me as if I'm some person who has walked

815
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: on water comparative to the stars Coope two buyers. I

816
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: feel like people are like, well, You're always exposed. How

817
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: are you keeping your how are you keeping safe? And

818
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of the fact of the

819
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: reason why I have been lucky enough to stay safe

820
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: during this entire pandemic. And although I have been exposed

821
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen, after getting tested for antibodies, I have

822
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: no antibodies. So that theoretically means that not only have

823
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I been exposed, but I presumably have not been infected

824
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: or gained any type of protective immunity from the COVID

825
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: nineteen virus. And I do basic things that I've always

826
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: done because I've been it's been trained and beaten into

827
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: me as a medical professional. You know, I'm a person

828
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: that washes my hands incessantly. But I also have to

829
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: take care of my skin. I'm a person that understands

830
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: when I should and should not wear the mask, wear

831
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: the mask, and also how I put a mask on.

832
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: As you said, washing my hands and mate being shure

833
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: to not touch my face. But I also do things

834
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: like walk into the supermarket. I also joke around. I

835
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: joke about the experiences of going to the supermarket versus

836
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: going to work. I have more anxious feelings going into

837
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: a supermarket than I do going to work because I'm

838
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: around people now that are following all different rules that

839
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: may not necessarily make sense in terms of being protective

840
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: against COVID nineteen, in terms of social distancing and wearing

841
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: a mask, and and and wearing gloves appropriately for a

842
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: momentary experience rather than just wearing gloves all the time.

843
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: So the basic things I do all the time. I'm

844
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: not taking any supplements. I'm not doing anything special. I

845
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: am trying to remain healthy by doing exercises in a

846
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: responsible way that separates me from people around me who

847
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: might be infected, from the possibility of me having COVID nineteen.

848
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: I wear a mask when I'm around people and I'm

849
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: sure to wash my hands. I have not and and

850
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: probably will not aggressively wash down packages. It's just not

851
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: been a part of something that I could could have

852
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: gotten with. And now we've realized the studies with fomites

853
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: set packages and surfaces. Although they may harbor the virus,

854
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: they're not likely to transmit the virus. But I do

855
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: know that every time I open something or anything that

856
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: is novel to me, I wash my hands. We just

857
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: have to start to make it a part of our day,

858
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: a routine. I love that, and and I'm curious in

859
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: terms of experiences, you know, to your point, there's a

860
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: lot of people who have questions about how to be

861
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: in the world when they need to be. You know,

862
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: for example, you're going to go on a socially distanced

863
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: walk with friends, Do people need to wear a mask

864
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: if they're doing that, if they're out walking or going

865
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: for a hike or going to the park. You know,

866
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: what are what are some of your recommendations there? Yeah,

867
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: so I think that whenever you're going to have contact

868
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: with someone who does not live with you, you just

869
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: have to quickly stop and assess the scene, just like

870
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: what they tell you when you're about to fight a fire.

871
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: Look at the scene. Are you safe? Are the people

872
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: around you safe? And it's a question that you should

873
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: ask yourself that I often ask myself. I tell people

874
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: to opt for lower risk environments. For example, being outside

875
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: is what we know, is a lot less risky than

876
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: being inside. Especially being inside during a ventilated experience, whether

877
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: that be air conditioning or heat numbers you. Although you

878
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: may have seen this person often, if they don't live

879
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: with you, it is best just to wear a mask.

880
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: And then number three maintaining social distances. Now, I completely

881
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: understand that when you have not seen someone in a

882
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: long period of time, as I had not seen my

883
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: mother for a period of time until I moved from

884
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: New York to California. I explained to her the risk

885
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: of wearing a mask and social distancing, and the first

886
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: thing she did when she saw me was wrapped both

887
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: of her hands around me, you know, And I didn't.

888
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: I could not help but embrace my own mother, And

889
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: in my mind I realized, I'm human. We need these

890
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: social interactions to live, and we have to weigh the

891
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: risk and the benefits of each interaction that we have.

892
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: So I am not the person who is around here

893
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: a stalking Instagram story is trying to count the amount

894
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: of people around you. All I'm simply saying is do

895
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: your best. If you're finding someone that you're interacting with

896
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: that is not living with you, wear a mask, socially distanced,

897
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: meet outside, and hopefully we can begin to get this

898
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: pandemic under control. I think you just said something so important,

899
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: acknowledging that our humanity does not pause because of the risk,

900
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: and and it and it reminds me. It makes me

901
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: want to talk about the protests, because there was a

902
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: lot of confusion and anger around protesting and I would

903
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, I would like to explain to

904
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: you how I view it, and then you can tell

905
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: me medically if that makes sense. So, first of all,

906
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: and we touched on it a while ago. Um, it's

907
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: really deeply unfortunate and I think comes at the expense

908
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: of the safety of the American people that science and

909
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: mask wearing have been politicized, and that this idea that

910
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: you'll buck science to you know, own the libs or

911
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: proclaim whatever your political identity is worries me because science

912
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: should be bipartisan, clean water and clean air and not

913
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: dying of a preventable pandemic should not be attributable to

914
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: party lines. So that feels important to acknowledge, and for

915
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: me as a person who has had the privilege of

916
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: learning from my community and and working as a friend

917
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: and being identified as an ally when we talk about justice.

918
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: When the protests began after George Floyd was murdered, and

919
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: we were saying his name, and we were saying Brianna

920
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: Taylor's name, to me, that was the most essential human

921
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: act I could participate in. You know, going to um

922
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: the grocery store even was less essential for me than

923
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: showing up at a protest. I could. I could make

924
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: all the frozen burritos in my fridge and stay out

925
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: of Whole Foods. But I needed to show up. I

926
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: needed to stand outside of the mayor's house. I needed

927
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: to march through my city. And because I've been paying

928
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: attention to the science, I said, well, here we are outside.

929
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: You know. Sure, the aerial photos looked pretty crowded, but

930
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: in my experiences at the marches I attended, people were

931
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: as distanced as possible um sometimes not six ft. But

932
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone that I don't live with came

933
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: any closer than four feet to me. At any time

934
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: at any of the protests I was at, everyone was

935
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: wearing a mask. We were outside in incredibly well ventilated areas,

936
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: hand sanitizers were being shared, and you know, waters were

937
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: being passed out, and there was a lot of consideration

938
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: for safety, and I felt safe in doing so. And

939
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the first two weeks of the protests,

940
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: I attended because I was able to. You know, we

941
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: both live in l A. You can do a drive

942
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: through test with no exposure to anyone at Dodger Stadium,

943
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: so I did that. Also go Dodgers. Um. I I

944
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: felt really cared for by my city and my ability

945
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: to be healthy, and also to exercise my constitutional right

946
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: and make my voice heard and demand justice for for

947
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: my neighbors and friends. And when we talk about things

948
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: like distance and ventilation, that is why I think so

949
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: many people also spoke out against some of these indoor events,

950
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: indoor rallies or events being held outdoors like we just

951
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: saw with the r n C with no distancing and

952
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: no one wearing masks. Do where do you, as a

953
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: medical professional but also a person who is clearly so

954
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the experience of justice and injustice in America.

955
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: Where where do you fall in terms of safely protesting

956
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: during a pandemic. Do you think it's safe? Did you

957
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: hit the streets? You know what? What? What did your

958
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: medical expertise and also human experience? Where did they meet

959
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah. So I like to associate this

960
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: with something I discussed often as a physician, as many

961
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: physicians do. It's called a risk benefit analysis, and so

962
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: for me at the beginning of the movement UM in

963
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: New York, when I was living in New York during

964
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: the beginning of this pandemic, I had to sit in

965
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: my own feelings and understanding of the fact that I

966
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: am a provider of fighting this pandemic and I need

967
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: to be as equipped and healthy as possible to continue

968
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: to do that. But my rights are also in question,

969
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: and I've written about this, and I think it's important

970
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: to discuss protests or what got me to this spot

971
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: here talking to you today. There are people who were UM,

972
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: who were in busses that were set on fire, who

973
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: were UM, had hoses directed to them, dogs sicked on them.

974
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: These of things that people went through. So that I

975
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: can put all my scrubs every day as a black

976
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: man and call myself a physician, and that is never

977
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: lost on me. And so right now, as we discuss

978
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: the harsh treatment and the of people of coloring in

979
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: this country, specifically when we discuss police violence and the

980
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: disproportionate murders that are existing and continue to happen on

981
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: and off camera, I have to speak up because not

982
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: only is it an issue of civil rights, but it's

983
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: also my issue. And I have to read the way

984
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: the risk and the benefit of participating in that. And

985
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: my risk is that if I don't and I don't

986
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: provide voice to it, that not only will my rights

987
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: be affected, but the rights of my children will be affected.

988
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: And so that is something that that is a reasoning

989
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: behind me. Now for the allies who want to participate,

990
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: I fully encourage because I think it's necessary because we

991
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: need more voices to create this movement. I would never

992
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: put it against one who felt uncomfortable to protests, and

993
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I always try to help people understand there are people

994
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: walking around us with vulnerabilities and past medical histories that

995
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: you simply do not know and you will never know.

996
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: And reasoning behind not physically standing in line and screaming

997
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: and protesting in the emotional outbreak that we had. I

998
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: understand if you did that for reasons of medical conscience

999
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: and you wanted to maintain your health. It is. It

1000
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: is not lost on me as I meet someone who

1001
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: is dealing with a vulnerability in their medical history every

1002
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: single day. But the short answer is I need to

1003
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: march because someone marched for me. Um, And it's very

1004
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: simple now when I look at certain events that happened. UM,

1005
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: I was physically in the march, and as you had

1006
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: experience for the majority of my time, it was actually

1007
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: a very pleasant experience. I had a lot of anxiety

1008
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but everyone I was around was wearing

1009
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: a mask. We were marching peacefully outside. And this is

1010
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: the majority of these marches and these protests that are

1011
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: going on across the name. Unfortunately, you don't point a

1012
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: camera to that. You point a camera to the small

1013
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: percentage of of emotional outbursts that occur in groups of people,

1014
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: and you want to categorize that as an overall experience

1015
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: for the march, and that is what is seen by

1016
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: people sitting at home and want to attribute their experiences

1017
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: or there are frustrations of protests to that specific event.

1018
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: But we've seen scientifically in retrospect. These marches were not

1019
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: associated with specific outbreaks in places like New York. We

1020
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: didn't even see bumps on the curve even four or five,

1021
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: six weeks after the events. And so I think it's

1022
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: really important to realize that a march is not something

1023
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: that propagates the pandemic, but something that can prevent the

1024
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: continued disparities and violence that occurs against people of color. Yes,

1025
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: because you said so poetically. Uh and and for everybody

1026
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: listening you, we will post on this episode in the story.

1027
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: Links are really just profoundly beautiful and pointed piece that

1028
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: Darien wrote for g Q. And you talked about making

1029
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: yourself essential, and I I also think about beautiful piece

1030
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: of writing that my friend Jimiale Smith did for Rolling

1031
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: Stone on Brianna Taylor. And and his article was titled

1032
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor was always essential, not just because she was

1033
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: an e M T you know, serving on the front

1034
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: lines of this pandemic. And you pointed out in your

1035
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: article that's something that affects you and Brianna and everyone

1036
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: else who's experiences have come into question or or have

1037
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: have been highlighted long in a long overdue fashion in

1038
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: terms of what you go through in society. You talk

1039
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: about the fact that black people and brown people, people

1040
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: of color are fighting COVID nineteen at increased rates to

1041
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: other folks, But you've already been entrenched in the pandemic

1042
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: of racism, and and you're phrasing it that way. Talking

1043
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: about racism as a pandemic, I think is a really

1044
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: arresting and clarifying use of word to really let people

1045
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: know how deep this goes. And again, because I know

1046
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: our liberty is bound together, that's in my own way,

1047
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: why it felt essential for me to get out there.

1048
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: You know, the only reason that I, as a woman

1049
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: can exist in the world today and not have to

1050
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: have my partner, you know, co sign my checking account

1051
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: is because of protest and and for us, this this

1052
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: this demand, you know, this very baldwin Esque commitment to

1053
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: criticize our country perpetually because we love her so much

1054
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: and want her to live up to her ideals. That

1055
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: to me feels like an incredibly you know, patriotic call,

1056
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: but also like like a demand for public health, because

1057
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: racism affects public health, gender discrimination affects public health, and

1058
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: we've got to we've got to get out there for

1059
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: each other, and I won't lie. I'm incredibly relieved that

1060
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: there were no spikes and that there was no increase

1061
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: in infection after the protests, because I know that the

1062
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: other side, who wants to silence our voices, would have

1063
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: used a tragedy and a health outcome to do so

1064
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: if they had been able. So I felt like a

1065
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: win for us on many levels. It was very It

1066
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: was very relieved, UM about that for sure. When you

1067
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: reference certain political rallies that take place, UM, a lot

1068
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: of people you know may have frustration and anger. I

1069
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: have genuine fear because when I see those political rallies

1070
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: and I see people close together without mask completely ignoring

1071
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic that we're fighting, I think about the people

1072
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: who are around them when they go home into their communities,

1073
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: the essential workers who are people of color, who are

1074
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: inadvertently exposed to them. If they're not going to wear

1075
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 1: a mask here, they may not wear a mask there,

1076
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: and then that's what I get concerned about. So it

1077
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: creates concern for me, not just frustration. It creates concern

1078
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: because I know that they're going to bring it to

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Speaker 1: a community that is disproportionately affected by this virus and

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Speaker 1: will further propagate the disparities that we are seeing and

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Speaker 1: and and continue to ignore them. When you think about

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Speaker 1: things like that, you know, the the ripple effect of

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Speaker 1: dangerous behavior, which does come out of a lot of

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Speaker 1: misinformation and identity politics. How do you stay motivated to

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Speaker 1: continue chipping away at those falsehoods? You know, you've you've

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Speaker 1: written that combating disinformation is a marathon, not a sprint.

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Speaker 1: So how are you How are you taking care of

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Speaker 1: yourself in this time? How are you manageing you know,

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Speaker 1: your own energy and mental health and physical health because

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Speaker 1: marathons are hard. I hate running marathon is like not

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Speaker 1: my ideal way to do anything. But that's that's what

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Speaker 1: we've signed up for in terms of, you know, our

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Speaker 1: various platforms and methodologies to try to unite and educate folks.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious how how you're doing that. I think

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Speaker 1: for me it is off and on. I feel like, um,

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Speaker 1: I'll go through pizza and troughs. I'll go through a

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Speaker 1: week or two where I am just down and out.

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Speaker 1: There is no participation for me on social media. I'm

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Speaker 1: not returning texts and I have to really check in

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Speaker 1: with myself, and then I'll go through motivating experiences with

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Speaker 1: a patient or a friend and it will remind me

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Speaker 1: of my purpose. And I think that that's probably the

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Speaker 1: normal experience of everyone because you have to remind yourself

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Speaker 1: that this is an extraordinary time and that is completely

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: okay not to be okay. And so for me, I

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01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: have two continuing continuously say that to myself while also

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: giving myself a break because if I'm if you don't

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: put the mask on yourself, then you're not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to help other people get oxygen, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so I try to remind myself of that um

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Speaker 1: every single day. It is definitely hard though, and luckily

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Speaker 1: I have access to therapy UM and luckily have access

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Speaker 1: to close family and those are the people who helped

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Speaker 1: me deal with the trauma that I battle with every

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Speaker 1: single day. M hmm. Yeah. Leaning on people has really

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: been helpful for me during this and and definitely getting

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01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: getting a little vulnerable in in my trough weeks where

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't think I could do this.

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the world is gonna end, what is

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01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna happen, you know, Like letting, letting it out has

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01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: has actually been incredibly helpful keeping that stuff in the body.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine this is good for us. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: when you think about how we move forward, what what

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Speaker 1: are the news sources who are the leaders for good,

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: trustworthy information that you would like to point this audience too.

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Speaker 1: So I think people look at me and my stories

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01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: as someone who creates information. I am simply gathering information

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Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why I find it really

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Speaker 1: important to share at the end or sources. I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important to share of sources with people, especially

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Speaker 1: in this time of misinformation. UM. I supply a link

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01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: tree of all different sources that I read, and I

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Speaker 1: add to that daily UM that includes all the news

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01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: reputable sources. UM. I try to stay away from anything

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Speaker 1: that seems like it's from a source that I've never

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: heard of before. UM. But personally, for me, I find

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Speaker 1: a lot of peace in reading journal articles. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the articles that are published through the New England

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: Journal of Medicine as well as JAMMA articles that are

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Speaker 1: helpful for me, but I realize that they are not

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: helpful for every single person. But I encourage you that

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Speaker 1: if you're reading an article that is trying to give

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: you a perception of data. Oftentimes inside of that article

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01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: will be linked the primary source. And if you are

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Speaker 1: trying to be a better voice, I encourage people to

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Speaker 1: do the due diligence. Like you just said, when you

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Speaker 1: review that data from the CDC, open that link up,

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Speaker 1: read it, try your best to understand it. I promise you.

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Speaker 1: It is intimidating at the beginning, but it is manageable

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: and so um for me that those are the sources

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: I always say, pay attention to any reputable source, but

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: also primary sources are really important to me. And then

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: also tracking um Johns Hopkins tracking is really fascinating. They

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: have put so much effort in tracking this virus that

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01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: I truly think that they should win some type of

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Speaker 1: Nobel prize when we're getting through this because they're providing

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Speaker 1: vital information. I also use sources like COVID track now,

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Speaker 1: covid track now, dot covid act now, dot work, which

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: allows me in graphic images to be able to see

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Speaker 1: how not only states are doing, but also counties because

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Speaker 1: it helps me give advice when friends are contacting me

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: from specific locations to let them know if they're in

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Speaker 1: a hot zone or if they're in a smoldering zone

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: or if they're in a green zone. So those are

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Speaker 1: the common things that I do every single day. But

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Speaker 1: I also set limits to my phone and social media

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Speaker 1: um to an hour and a half a day, UM

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Speaker 1: in terms of Twitter and Facebook, because that can be

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Speaker 1: a lot of for me personally, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: spaces where my emotion, my my my mind is sucked

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Speaker 1: in and it doesn't make me feel good. So I

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Speaker 1: have to set limits as well. I feel that too.

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Speaker 1: I I've I set limits on my phone recently, and

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Speaker 1: then I've keep catching myself ignoring them, and I called

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Speaker 1: myself on it the other day and I thought, this

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Speaker 1: is not why you set a limit. You have you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to stick to your guns on this. UM.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't thank you enough for all of this.

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Speaker 1: I I do want to be mindful of our time.

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Speaker 1: And I know we're coming to the close of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to ask you my my favorite

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Speaker 1: question to ask everyone who honors me with their presence

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Speaker 1: on this show, which is the podcast is called work

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Speaker 1: in Progress. And I am very curious You've got You've

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: got your hand in so many lanes and verticals and

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01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: you're holding up so much and uh, and you just

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: moved across the country, and you know, the list goes on.

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Speaker 1: What what would you say, whether it's something personal or professional,

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Speaker 1: um or or anything really that stands out what feels

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Speaker 1: like a work in progress in your life right now?

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Speaker 1: Self care? UM, we hit on it a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm realizing now every day, as I've become more

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Speaker 1: mature and um, more of a person within my own body,

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: the importance of taking care of myself. I'm realizing the

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Speaker 1: importance of saying no to certain things, the importance of

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Speaker 1: sitting in silence with myself and my emotions and acknowledging

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Speaker 1: them and taking a break from distractions that are constantly

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Speaker 1: around me. It is something for me that is a

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Speaker 1: continuing work in progress. And I can't tell you that

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Speaker 1: I am perfect by any means, but I'm really proud

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Speaker 1: of where I've gotten to in terms of realizing how

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Speaker 1: I should manage myself, my time, and my piece. Mm hmm,

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Speaker 1: that's great, I'm and I gotta say me too, I

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Speaker 1: am really trying to figure out how to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I I always a motivated when someone else says

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Speaker 1: that that's one of the things they're really working on,

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: because it reminds me in a way that I should

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: give myself permission to work on it too, that that

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't put my self care on the very back

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Speaker 1: burner of my life. So thanks for that. This show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by Me, Sophia Bush, and sim Sarna.

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Speaker 1: Our associate producer is cate Linlee. Our editor is Josh Wendish,

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Speaker 1: and our music was written by Jack Garrett and produced

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Speaker 1: by Mark Foster. This show is brought to you by

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