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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone to watch the episode one to three at

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast. I am your host, Brad rolland

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Speaker 1: comeing to you on a Tuesday evening into Wednesday, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joining on today's podcast by Steven Tolbert. Hello, sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you, Brad?

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? Yeah, it's off season is rapidly approaching.

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Speaker 2: World Series is now hasn't started yet. We have the

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Speaker 2: two teams that are gonna play, but as we know,

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Speaker 2: five days after that World Series is over, it all

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Speaker 2: gets rolling. So we are rapidly approaching an interesting offseason.

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Speaker 1: We are in that in between time right now, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the World Series probably at the end

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Speaker 1: of this for a few minutes anyway, if anyone wants

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Speaker 1: to stick around and listening to that at the end

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Speaker 1: of the discussion. But yeah, like you said, like, there's

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot going on with the Braves until

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Speaker 1: the World Series is over. That's kind of what happens

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Speaker 1: when you lose a little bit earlier than you're used

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Speaker 1: to losing. But we should say out the top of

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Speaker 1: Just Searchamber Territory on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, et cetera. Stephen

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Speaker 1: and I are on video right now on YouTube. Please

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Speaker 1: like the video for watching it. I shall also plug

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I talked to old pal Eric Cole

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Speaker 1: on Monday. That was fun having Eric on the show.

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Speaker 1: Was first Prospect Talk, Schwellenbach Talk, Free Talk. Stephen and

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Speaker 1: Shaan did a podcast late last week. Me and Sean,

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Speaker 1: I mean sorry, me and Scott did a podcast last week.

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Speaker 1: So it's been busy. We're trying to stay busy on

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Speaker 1: the show, and Scott is gallivanting somewhere right now. Sean

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Speaker 1: I would say, seldom used pairing, but one that I

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Speaker 1: always enjoy with me And you see.

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Speaker 2: It was really fun listening to Eric last night. Eric's

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Speaker 2: how I got hooked up with Chris and Battery Power

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Speaker 2: to begin with, and so he and I go back

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Speaker 2: quite a bit, and yeah, that was a cool that

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Speaker 2: It's it's always fun to catch up. It was, it

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Speaker 2: was a it was a nostalgic podcast for sure, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was good to hear from Eric.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had fun and we'll do it again sooner

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Speaker 1: than that. That was my fault. So uh. Anyway, our

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Speaker 1: our main tip is actually something that you wrote about

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Speaker 1: It was actually a guest early on a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: so not straight toward to your fun ross at the

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Speaker 1: very beginning, but Ivan is great, and you guys wrote

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Speaker 1: about essentially there's this big mess happening with regard to

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, Diamond Sports Group which owns Valley which

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Speaker 1: wants to know how they're gonna be able to watch

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Speaker 1: Number two, I wanted to talk about it with you

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Speaker 1: because it's kind of an area that people don't really understand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't understand and people don't really follow it.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, you got to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: know Ivan and I who Ivan's on the byline as well, who,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Braves are in the middle of this thing,

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Speaker 1: is still Diamond Sports Group's offering, which is now Fatal

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Speaker 1: Sports Network. That's where you can watch the Braves as

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Speaker 1: of now. Could that change in April Steven, Yes it could,

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Speaker 1: the games. But there's this whole saga and we'll get

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Speaker 1: All right, Steven, Let's get into it here. Lawyers and

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Speaker 2: So Diamond Sports Group filed for bankruptcy in March of

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Speaker 2: The Braves will be the very last thing Diamond ever

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way put that is perfect in that

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Speaker 1: They're under contract, so they are collecting money from Diamond

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Speaker 1: But the Braves are in the middle of because of

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Speaker 1: there are. There is a baseball game on Ballion now

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Speaker 1: But the Braves are not really they're in it, but

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Speaker 1: And it's just kind of wild to read people to like,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to go first

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Speaker 1: you know. Read Even more recently, Baseball is upset about

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Speaker 2: Sniping, arguing, bickering, all apply.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The MLB accused Diamond Sports Group of filing these motions

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Speaker 2: Sands will remember this. The Braves signed a very friendly

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Speaker 1: They're actually underpaid on the rights for sure.

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Speaker 2: And that's what the Braves should do. And I will

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Speaker 2: say that the Braves' rights whether whether Balley comes out

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Speaker 2: Now it's gonna take me a while to get used to. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll say Diamond Sports Group just to make it easy.

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Speaker 2: Whether Diamond Sports Groups comes out of this or not,

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Speaker 2: And that's important to for fans that the original contract

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Speaker 1: Say, but at the very leadst before the season starts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will say this front. I'm gonna say this on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be available somewhere, it'll and it'll probably be

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Speaker 2: let MLB kind of roll into what MLB does the

433
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Speaker 2: way the Padres that the Diamondbacks did, I'd be fine

434
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Speaker 2: with that. There are a lot of options that are

435
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Speaker 2: really good for Braves fans that are that are probably

436
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Speaker 2: better than what they have now. And anybody that has

437
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Speaker 2: I mean, anybody knows who's in Atlanta or Birmingham or

438
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: Tennessee or wherever. You know that you have to have

439
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: a cable package. You if you're in market, you have

440
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: to have some sort of cable package that carries Bally Sports,

441
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: these sports Southeast and if you don't, you don't have

442
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: another recourse. And that's how MLB, that's how MLB designs it.

443
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: Like they they take all of this money from these

444
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: networks for the cable rights, and because they take all

445
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 2: of this money, they're not allowed to put in a

446
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: back door for any customer to use any other way

447
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: to watch the games.

448
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: The whole there's all the blackouts, and there's it's it's

449
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: all wraps into one. One thing I wanted to make

450
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Speaker 1: sure that people understand is like you know, I cover

451
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: the Hawks. Of course balley even which is now now FanDuel,

452
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: but Diamond Sports Group has offered and over the top

453
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: streaming option for NBA teams, AHL teams and a couple

454
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: of Baseball teams in the past. Yeah, the Grays were

455
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: never included in that because of what you just said.

456
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: They know the brains are their biggest thing and they

457
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Speaker 1: don't want to have they don't want to give you

458
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: an option to pay twenty bucks a month just to

459
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: watch the brains because people would do that and then

460
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: cancel it in six months and then do it again

461
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: the next time. They want you to pay for it

462
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: all year long. And that's that's the whole thing. And

463
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Speaker 1: that's why I live with that. Earlier in this conversation

464
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: about the whole regional model is changing. And yeah, like

465
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: the big big ones like the Dodgers and Yankees, they're

466
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Speaker 1: gonna be fine for a while they want to be.

467
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: But Baseball, I mean, there's this whole discussion about if

468
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: baseball gets it all back, what are they gonna do

469
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Speaker 1: with them?

470
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Speaker 2: Right?

471
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Speaker 1: The blackout thing is something that's been unpopular for a

472
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Speaker 1: very very very long time. You can live in certain

473
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: like the Scotts's this all the time. Scotts in Arizona.

474
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: He can't watch the Dodgers because he's blacked out from

475
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, which is some sens at all, Like it's

476
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Speaker 1: like five hours away where he lives. There are places

477
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Speaker 1: in the country where you can't watch it, and it's

478
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Speaker 1: like five teams. I think it's Vegas one of those teams.

479
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: Is it's like five teams are blacked out in this market.

480
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: You can't watch anybody and that's a separate issue, but

481
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: is also it all kind of folds into each other

482
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Speaker 1: about their rights and the way that baseball is kind

483
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Speaker 1: of operated. It's going to have to change, and I

484
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: guess they're just kind of in this period right now

485
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Speaker 1: where they're being forced to change in some aspects, but

486
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Speaker 1: also they're trying to get the rights back to where

487
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Speaker 1: they have control of them for whatever they do next.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, Live Sports is the only thing propping

489
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Speaker 2: up these cable companies for still existing at all. Quite

490
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Live Sports carries cable television. Now. I mean, there's an

491
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: entire generation of people younger than Brad or I who've

492
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: spent most of their life without TV, which was unheard

493
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: of twenty years ago. But streaming has turned into such

494
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: a monster that if you're not a sports fan, there's

495
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: no reason for you to have a cable package. Quite honestly,

496
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: you can watch movies a thousand different ways. You don't

497
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: need to pay two hundred and fifty three hundred dollars

498
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: a month to a.

499
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Speaker 1: Cable and if you do, you've probably had YouTube TV

500
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Speaker 1: or one of the skinnier ones. They're cheaper, and they

501
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: don't have and they don't have Valley, which is not fandom,

502
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Like that's that's part of this too, because you know,

503
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Speaker 1: I'll ask you this and I'll say myself, I would

504
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: be the people that do this for a living or

505
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: the diehard sports people that have to have the braves

506
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: basically and the hawks in my life. The normal people

507
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Speaker 1: quote unquote, they all have YouTube TV or Hulu or nothing, right,

508
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Speaker 1: they're not. I still have a three hundred dollars a

509
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: month Comcast subscription because I have to. It's my it's

510
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: part of my livelihood to do that. But like if

511
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: I was not me, there's no way I have that,

512
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Like there's why would you. And even sports fans and

513
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: once you're a fan of the local team that you

514
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: can only get one way. You can watch ESPN, ESPN, two, TNT,

515
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: all these places for the seventy dollars YouTube TV price

516
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: versus the much more expensive cable price.

517
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Or you can get one hundred and twenty dollars MLB

518
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: Dot TV package and you can watch every team except

519
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: team in your market. The most expensive thing to be

520
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: is an in market sports fan because and that's by design.

521
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: They the cable companies in these networks have set it

522
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: up that way. Because this is the only way they

523
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: can make money is to is to cash in on

524
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: the idea that you want to watch your local team,

525
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: and you have no recourse outside of purchasing their cable packages.

526
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: And that's by again, that's by design. There's a reason

527
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: there's no back door to this, not a legal one at.

528
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Speaker 1: Least, because I don't want one. They don't want one.

529
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Speaker 2: This is all This is the only way they can money,

530
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: and so it is a it's a huge mess. It's

531
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: a huge And listen, this has been coming for a while.

532
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Some of this is on MLB for not seeing this

533
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: coming down the tracks about ten years ago, because this

534
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: this has been a very slow train crash like this

535
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: happened in slow motion. People have been cutting the cord

536
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: damn near a decade now. I mean, this is not new,

537
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: but MLB was slow to react. They still believed in

538
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: this RSN Regional Sports Network model that still almost half

539
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: the league is tied up into. And now it's kind

540
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: of crash and burn and a bunch of teams have

541
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: gotten their rights back and now we're just the Braves

542
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: are at the center. The Braves are the last big

543
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: piece to fall, and Diamond Sports will not let them

544
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: go without a fight, and MLB is gonna fight like

545
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: hell to get the Braves out of this. And the

546
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: Braves are just like the kid whose parents are getting

547
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: divorced and they're just standing back watching this happen, just

548
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: kind of lobbing back and forth. You know, these insults

549
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: and these these shots that these two take at each

550
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: other in court every two weeks, it's hilarious to watch, honestly.

551
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: But the Braves are I mean, the Braves are really

552
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 2: just caught, caught in the middle, and they are a

553
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: critical piece to this entire puzzle.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, I encourage people to read what you

555
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: and I even wrote and they're isn't like a huge

556
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: like takeaway. Actually that them right now, It's not like

557
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: they're you know, but middle November, when that hearing that

558
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: we refer to happens. I'm not saying it's good to

559
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: change everything, because it may not, but it could. I mean,

560
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: there could be some more not necessarily resolution, but the

561
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: actual changes could start happening three weeks from now, three

562
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: and a half weeks from now. We'll see if they do.

563
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: And if Diamond holds on Diamond Slash Fandel now holds

564
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: on but what the Braves are in the off season,

565
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, maybe it'll be a whole cycle

566
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: will happen before between now in April and look, and

567
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: I will be transparent. I know a lot of people

568
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: who work for the South and Southeast version of and

569
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: which is now a ballet which what's about it before?

570
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: Because I've just been around them for a long time.

571
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, on one hand, I hope these people keep

572
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: their jobs like it's it's you know, maybe they would

573
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: either transition or whatever, so like there is that part

574
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: of me. But I also understand Braves fans that are

575
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: sick of dealing with this, and they would rather just

576
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: be able to pay, even if it was like fifty

577
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: bucks a month, whatever the number is, just to watch

578
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Braves games. They would like people would like to pay that.

579
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: So it's not convenient for anybody. I will acknowledge that

580
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: right now, even for people that are I guess professionally

581
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote doing this. But yeah, I mean I hope

582
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: it just gets fixed. It would be nice to have

583
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: a solution that was more easily explained and more practical

584
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: for everybody.

585
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: Well, and to tie this back to the Braves, and

586
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are people that don't know this, but

587
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: like your favorite broadcast, like Brandy Gordon works for Bally,

588
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't work for the Brain. Now, the Braves have

589
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: a lot of influence.

590
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Speaker 1: They have influence, but you're you're a hundupset right about that.

591
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you if you you know, if you

592
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: watch a game, Brandon Gollan's Cgen Dakowski, They're were in Bally,

593
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: you know sports.

594
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: Now radio radio is a little bit different. Sometimes radio

595
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: the team the team they only Yeah, so that's there's

596
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a distinction there too, where they do fly on the

597
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: charter a lot like Brandon and.

598
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: And that's why people think. That's why people think they

599
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: work for the team is because they're always with the team,

600
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: but they don't. They work for the network that has

601
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: the rights to the games. And you know, as it

602
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: stands now, because because at the moment, Bally Earth, because

603
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Fandel owns the rights as it stands now, Brandon, Galdon,

604
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: Ce Gennikowski, all the people you know and love from

605
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Brave's broadcast, they will be there come twenty twenty five,

606
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 2: as it stands now. But if that changes, if Bally

607
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: no longer or Fandel no longer has the rights, then

608
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: that's going to change. It's got to change.

609
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: It could, But I mean, I know a couple of

610
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: the potteries have gone over to the topics if you

611
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: that have, and some of them have have kept their broadcasters.

612
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Now they had to come to that's possible. That's very

613
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: so that it might look it might, but it's not.

614
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed, but it's not your your harps it right,

615
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: it's not guaranteed to be because it's there's all of

616
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: this again, is so intertwined and so difficult to untangle

617
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Speaker 1: that there are so many questions that we'll have to

618
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: answer if it does change. In November, we will do

619
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Speaker 1: another podcast that just kind of say all right, guys, yes,

620
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: here's what's coming next. On one tameless thing I know

621
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Speaker 1: just for I know that if you're an MLBtv watcher,

622
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: if you live in let's just use Arizona for Scott.

623
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: It's really easy for Scott and watch Brams game. So, like,

624
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: you may not care about this that much, but that's

625
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: why we brought up the other part of this, and

626
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: we'll move on about how everybody all these teams are

627
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: generally losing money at the beginning when they when they

628
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: lose these contracts from Diamond because whatever they do to

629
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Speaker 1: replace it, whether it's a streaming service or OTT, that

630
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: makes some money back. But these teams are not making

631
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: as much money as.

632
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: They were making much less, much less.

633
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: That could change in the future long term if they

634
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: maximize and figure out the best way to do it.

635
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: But in the short term, teams aren't going to lose money.

636
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: And if this sounds in the Braves, if diamonds well

637
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: as sorry, if Baseball successfully removes the brands from Diamond,

638
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: the Brads will lose money short term. They will not overall,

639
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: but on the TV deal, and that could impact the

640
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: on field spending, which is why Braves fans would care

641
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: if they If they suddenly if Alex's boss not Alex,

642
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: and Alex's boss says, all right, Alex, you you know,

643
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: have twenty million dollars less to spend, that ends up

644
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: mattering like that's one of those practical states. And we'll

645
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: never know that, Like they're never gonna tell us exactly

646
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be allowed to spend. Alex will never

647
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Speaker 1: tell us that, but you can maybe see it down

648
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Speaker 1: the line, like all right, maybe they could have spent

649
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Speaker 1: one more time. If they had this money coming in.

650
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Speaker 2: And it is it is funny. I would actually love

651
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Speaker 2: to hear maybe Terry mcwork's opinion. He would never give

652
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Speaker 2: a public opinion, he would not, but I would love

653
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Speaker 2: to hear because there is an argument that the braive

654
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Speaker 2: the best the best interest for the Braves is for

655
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Speaker 2: Diamond Sports to come out of this bankruptcy, still solve

656
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Speaker 2: it and the Braves still get a chunk of the

657
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Speaker 2: money they're owed and then just get their rights back

658
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Speaker 2: in twenty seven, like it's already playing like you know,

659
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Speaker 2: if you're if you're thinking about it strictly from a

660
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Speaker 2: brave's or argument of getting the most money and not

661
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Speaker 2: having your revenue streams disrupted, then there's an argument that

662
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Speaker 2: they want Diamond Sports just to because they know that

663
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Speaker 2: no matter who else gets paid, the Braves are gonna

664
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Speaker 2: get paid.

665
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Speaker 1: Like the diamonds also make planning purposes like your point there,

666
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Speaker 1: if they because they had the contract, it's going to end.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're more certain like you said that in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, you would then have two or three

669
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Speaker 1: years to get ready for that to happen, so you

670
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Speaker 1: can wind up your next thing. Whereas if you lose,

671
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Speaker 1: if the rights go away, if Diamond stops paying you

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Speaker 1: in December, We'll say, just as an example, brades have

673
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Speaker 1: to figure something on to get their team that get

674
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Speaker 1: their games on TV in April. And that's a scramble

675
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Speaker 1: at that point. Now right, I'm sure right now they're

676
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Speaker 1: thinking about it because they just have to be irresponsible

677
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Speaker 1: not to. But you don't have two and a half years.

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Speaker 1: You might you might have four months to get up

679
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Speaker 1: and running. That's different. That's different.

680
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Speaker 2: So for the long term health of the Braves, there

681
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Speaker 2: is an argument the best thing to happen is Diamond

682
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Speaker 2: Sports holds onto these rights for another three years, and

683
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Speaker 2: like you said, that gives them two and a half

684
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Speaker 2: years maybe to build their own net work, and by

685
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Speaker 2: the time these rights run out, they have a seamless transition.

686
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Speaker 2: You could what you didn't go right versus what you

687
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Speaker 2: said would would be a very rushed transition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, between the Brads in Measu Legue Baseball, they would

689
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Speaker 1: have to figure out a streaming service or something quickly.

690
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Speaker 1: And the way the pottery is did, the Diamond Maas did,

691
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Speaker 1: and many others. But again, for more on this, I

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Speaker 1: crushed folks. I used to work there, don't work there anymore,

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Speaker 1: but I still read Battery of Power batter Battery power

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Speaker 1: dot com, and my three co hosts still work there,

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Speaker 1: So good place to read things.

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Speaker 2: And shout out. Shout out to Ivan.

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Speaker 1: Ivan's a legend. Uh, Stephen, before we got out of here,

698
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Speaker 1: do you want to talk about the world Giest for

699
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Speaker 1: five minutes?

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Speaker 2: Sure? That's cool?

701
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Speaker 1: Uh, because it doesn't starts off Friday, and I could

702
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: already hear people closing their podcast players. They don't want

703
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Speaker 1: to listen to this, and that's fine, Phil Free folks.

704
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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the podcast. Please subscribe. It's

705
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Speaker 1: pretty intriguing now. I was ready for the Guardians. I

706
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Speaker 1: said that on the show. At least the Mets won't

707
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Speaker 1: win the World Series. That's nice, but it's it's Dodgers

708
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Yankees beginning on. It's a long break, four days off

709
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers and five for the Yankees, so a

710
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: full on reset momentum will not be a factor. All

711
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: the arguments about Russ versus Russ to both be rusty

712
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: probably with four days off and picture rotations will be set.

713
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: Do you have a thought about this like the Dodters

714
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Speaker 1: are slight favorites in the market that I've seen, which

715
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Speaker 1: I think is interesting. What do you make of this?

716
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Speaker 2: You know ten toounds would be I told Sean, So

717
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Speaker 2: Sean and I, after you guys put out your prompt

718
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: about you know who you're rooting for, it was it

719
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: was interesting to me. So Sean and I did the

720
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Speaker 2: same thing. I told Sean, this was the matchup I

721
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Speaker 2: was rooting for.

722
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: I wanted.

723
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Listen, the last three or four years, we've had the underdog.

724
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: We've had the sixth seed make the magical run. We've

725
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Speaker 2: had the unexpected team, the eighty four win team, eighty

726
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Speaker 2: five win team, eighty six win team make the World Series.

727
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: All that's fun. I get people get into that. But

728
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Speaker 2: I wanted a juggernaut World Series, like I wanted Best

729
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: on Best, Like I wanted Otani versus Judge, bets Soto,

730
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Speaker 2: two massive brands, you know, massive ratings. The ratings for

731
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: the World Series the last basically decade have been trending

732
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: in a very very poor direction. Some of it is

733
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Speaker 2: because of the randomness of the playoffs in baseball, and

734
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Speaker 2: not always the best teams get through. And I know

735
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Speaker 2: everybody had strong opinions on you know, we don't want

736
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Speaker 2: big market, big payroll teams to beat small payroll teams.

737
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Speaker 2: There's a whole debate on that stuff. But I was

738
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Speaker 2: I'm excited, like this is the matchup I wanted. I

739
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: was never gonna root like you the Mets were. I

740
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: needed the Mets to lose every game. I was rooting

741
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 2: against the Mets every game, and so when they lost,

742
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: I was happy. I don't care who wins between the

743
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Speaker 2: Dodgers and the Yankees, but I'm gonna watch every game.

744
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Speaker 2: I mean, Soto versus Soto and Bets and Otani and Judge.

745
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Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, Sean said it like, I

746
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: don't know any last time we had the two almost

747
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: certain MVP candidates going against each other in a World Series.

748
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Speaker 2: I don't know the last time that's happened, but I

749
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: don't feel like it happens a lot, and so I'm excited.

750
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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

751
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we always say this too, like baseball.

752
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be watching. And I don't blame braves

753
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: fans that don't care about this for not watching. I'm

754
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Speaker 1: not saying you have to. I get it.

755
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: People.

756
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes some people just fans their team and when one season,

757
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: that season ends, and I get it, but I love baseball.

758
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Speaker 1: I'll be watching and you just named him and meaning, uh,

759
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: you know Tony and Judge are the headliners. Oh, Tony

760
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: being in the World Series is awesome. I mean he

761
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: was being in the being with the Angels just out

762
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Speaker 1: of side of mind. Like him being there is great

763
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Speaker 1: for the sport above all in my opinion. Uh. And

764
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Speaker 1: then you've got all the other star wars. You know,

765
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Speaker 1: Judge Soto, you know, even Frase Frady's a big star. Look,

766
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Speaker 1: LOOKI Best is a big star. You got Garrett Cole

767
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: as much as pitchers can be stars. Yamamoto has not

768
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: been great necessarily, but he's a huge star. First, you

769
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Speaker 1: know first, uh, you know season in the league, U

770
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Speaker 1: Jeron Carr Stanton somehow back like he'd been off the radar,

771
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Speaker 1: and now he's just mashing again into the playoffs. Like

772
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Speaker 1: there's all these great storylines and you know, these teams

773
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Speaker 1: are not necessarily total juggernauts in the way they have

774
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Speaker 1: been at times in the past. Much of the Dodgers,

775
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: like this is not the same Dodgers that they have been,

776
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Speaker 1: but they're still good and you have potential for some

777
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: good pitching matchups too, like Rodon is looking like rodn

778
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: in recent in recent days for the Yankees, but you know,

779
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: bullpen games will happen. That's been a big talking point,

780
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Speaker 1: like how these teams don't have four starters, although the

781
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: Yankees kind of kind of do. The Dodders do not.

782
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: They have three. They don't even trying. Their fourth starter

783
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: is a both is a bullpen game.

784
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Speaker 2: That's the That's the one thing this series is missing

785
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Speaker 2: is like the multiple aces for each team, Like if

786
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Speaker 2: they had, like if this was I'm just whatever, you know, yeah,

787
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Speaker 2: like Kers versus Schureser. You know, if it had, like

788
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: if it had all these star powers on offense plus

789
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: the aces where you could get really hyped up for

790
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Speaker 2: some pitching matchups as well, I'd be I mean, I'd

791
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Speaker 2: be in heaven watching. I mean, other than the bravest

792
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Speaker 2: being in the World Series, this is what I want

793
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Speaker 2: to watch. I want to watch the best teams and

794
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: the best players. At the end of this, either Aaron

795
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: Judger or Jan Soda or Aaron Judger Showy Tanner are

796
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: gonna have a World Series. Like that's a big deal.

797
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Like and Sean made this point, like, that's how you

798
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: the way you market your sport is your stars win

799
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Speaker 2: and play and get titles. Like that helps you so much.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't happen a lot in baseball because of

801
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Speaker 2: how random they're their postseason is. So I think it's

802
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Speaker 2: I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited it is good, and yeah, the first two games,

804
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Speaker 1: I think you can argue are good pitching matchups if

805
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: they align the way. They have not announced the order yet,

806
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: but I think you know, with Colon Rodon on the

807
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Speaker 1: Yankee side, that's I assump would be their first two starters.

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Both are big names on the Daughter side, Yamamoto and

809
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Flaherty probably in Game one and two in some order.

810
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Not quite the same as Colon Roddan, but certainly good

811
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Speaker 1: enough pitching. And from there it gets to be weird.

812
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Speaker 1: So we won't like go game, my game. I promise

813
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: everybody that we're not gonna do post game shows on

814
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: these on these games, but uh, I am intrigued by it.

815
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: It won't begin told for Ida. You'll get it. You'll

816
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: get a big boost and it doesn't matter to fans,

817
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: nor should it. But I do think that it's going

818
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: to be uh well, watched. You got the big markets

819
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that probably helps the game.

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Speaker 2: Oh the Jeff, I mean just just the ratings from

821
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Speaker 2: Japan alone.

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Speaker 1: Japanese market would be huge with with a tiny el

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Speaker 1: moode of the game. Yeah, all that's gonna be interesting

824
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: for the game. So we'll see how that goes and

825
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: hopefully it's competitive. I love to watch a game seven.

826
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Speaker 1: I like you said, I have a slight preference for

827
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers because I really hate the Yankees. But I'm

828
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: not like rooting hard the Dodgers either. Like it's like,

829
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Speaker 1: all right, if you maybe choose one to take, I

830
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: would rather have the Dodgers win. But that's just me personally,

831
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Speaker 1: and it's not by a lot. So good games, please,

832
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Speaker 1: That's all I want.

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00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: If Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter were still on the Yankees,

834
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: and I'd be heavily rooting for the Dodgers. But yeah,

835
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: where a couple of generations removed from those ninety.

836
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Speaker 1: Are you saying? Are you saying we're old?

837
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: You know we're old, buddy, We are all right.

838
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah. We got a couple of responses on YouTube,

839
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: a couple places like why do you hate the Yankees.

840
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, why do you have Why would you

841
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: ask me that? Were you born with this game? So anyway,

842
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: I get it. I do get I said it on

843
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: that show with Scott, Like even between me and Scott,

844
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm not that much that much oder Scott, But Scott

845
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have the Yankees hectrid that I have. Yeah, I

846
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: think he was just too young to be like hating

847
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: the Yankees like I was in the mid nineties. So

848
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: it is definitely generational. And the Dodgers have been more

849
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: relevant to the Braves for the last five six hours.

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00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: There are probably more Braves fans that hate the Dodgers, yeah,

851
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: now than.

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00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: Probably I mean maybe maybe they're and even with almost

853
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: said maybe with Freddy the people rooting for Freddy, but

854
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: also there's a lot of bracebands that just hate Freddy

855
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: as he left.

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00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: That's just yeah, yeah, they won't route because of Freddy, right.

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00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: So that's it's there's a lot of mixing and matching there,

858
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: which is probably a scene of this podcast, lots of

859
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: intertwining topics. Well, Steven, thank you for doing this on

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Speaker 1: short Notes with me on a Tuesday evening. We went

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Speaker 1: longer than I thought we were going to go. That's

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Speaker 1: this for another hour. We're not good enough, but we

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Speaker 1: could uh anything to plug on the way out, my friend,

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Speaker 1: other than your piece, which people should again read at

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Speaker 1: Battery power dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and I uh you know, we've been

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Speaker 2: following this story for the last eighteen months or so.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue to follow it obviously, you know when they're updates,

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Speaker 2: will certainly write about him a Battery Power but almost

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Speaker 2: certainly we'll we'll have another podcast or it'll be it

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Speaker 2: might not be its own episode, but it'll be included

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Speaker 2: in some podcast at some point. And again it does

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Speaker 2: matter for the the braves are right at the center

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Speaker 2: of this and if you care about where they you know,

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Speaker 2: where you watch them on TV, how you find them

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Speaker 2: when twenty twenty five stars, this does matter. It's not

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Speaker 2: just background noise. It does have real war effects. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: as it comes out, we'll obviously continue to update and

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Speaker 2: keep you guys informed.

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Speaker 1: Definitely we will do all the podcast side as well.

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Speaker 1: People should be following Steven at b owner score Outliars

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Speaker 1: on the Twitter machine follow me there if you want to.

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Speaker 1: At BT rolland follow our podcast at ammor Territory across

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Speaker 1: social media. We are on Twitter, we're on Facebook, we're

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. One day TikTok. We'll get us there, but

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Speaker 1: we're not there just yet because I'm too old. As

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Speaker 1: discussed previously, I'm too old to do TikTok, so who knows.

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Speaker 1: But also, please please please subscribe to the podcast. Listen

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Speaker 1: to our episodes in previous days again with Eric and Me,

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Speaker 1: earlier with Stephen Shawn last week, with Mean Scott last week.

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Speaker 1: Plan to listen to subscribe, rate review If for Shurey

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast or Stephen, we'll sign off now

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you all next time