WEBVTT - Raw with Vanessa Guerrero 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.399 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.360 start changing it with the bec del Cast. So, Kitlyn, 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:23.560 we're basically podcast sisters, right, Oh yeah, of course. Okay, So, uh, 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.800 I can tell you anything, right, Yeah, that's what podcast 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.080 sisters are to each other. Okay, so I have to 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.640 tell you that the other night when you give me 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:43.120 that Brazilian I did eat your finger? Are we still cool? 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.240 I do remember my finger getting cut off. I know 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.800 you like came to and you're like issiating my finger, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.159 and I was like, you're dreaming, but I did do it, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.600 and I just kind of wanted to like check into 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.960 your people are feeling about that. I'm glad you felt 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.640 comfortable enough divulging that to me. Sisters, right, yeah, yeah, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.679 of course. Now is my turn to tell you that 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.440 I didn't eat your finger, but I ate the finger 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.840 and the other body parts of a lot of people. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.960 You know what, I actually forgive you because that makes 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.959 me feel better about what I did, which is not 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.640 comparatively as I think we're good. Our mom probably did it. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.319 I'm assuming it's somewhere in the bloodline. Like I'm not 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.120 even worried about it. I love you, Love you too, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:39.880 Jamie Enjoyed Jail. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast, Jamie Lawfus. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.440 My name is Caitlin Durante and this is our show 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.680 in which we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.320 Using the Bechtel test simply is a jumping off point, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.600 that being, of course, a media metric created by queer 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.559 cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, that requires, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.440 for our purposes, two people of any marginalized gender with 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.360 names have to speak to each other about something other 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:16.600 than a man. Ideally that conversation is meaningful to the 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.520 narrative right, which you would think would be hard to do. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.680 For many movies, it is hard to do, but guess what, Baby, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.839 Today we're covering a movie where it is not hard 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.840 to do, because there is so much to talk about 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.600 in this movie between characters who are not men, and 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.920 they're doing all manner of fucked up, funked up stuff. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.880 I am so excited to be where first of all, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.600 I wanted to just give us kind of a little 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.400 ribbon and say. The movie today is from Frost. It 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:56.360 is a Lesma to movie. So I felt like a 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.639 genius watching this movie because we are socially conditioned to 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:06.160 think that French equals sophisticated. I felt very chic today 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.839 as I was preparing for this episode, and I could 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.920 not be more excited to talk about the movie. It 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:18.720 is tens Raw, directed by Julia Ducorno, and we have 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.960 an incredible returning guest who brought this movie to us, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:29.520 and I could not be more grateful. Yes, she is 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.960 a host of Kicking and Screaming podcast. She will soon 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.960 be on Behind the Monsters on Shutter and do you 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.040 remember her from our episodes on Maide in Manhattan and 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:45.560 Atomic Blonde. It's Vanessa Guerrero. Yeah, wellcome back, welcome back. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.240 Thank you for freaking us this movie. Thank you for 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.560 watching this movie. Because pitching to people a movie that 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.880 is like minutes of Cannibalism, is it the easiest thing 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.640 to do in the world. And the fact that we're 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.080 all this hype to talk about it, I am thrilled, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.680 so excited. I also would argue that when a woman 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:15.480 eats another woman's finger, that does pass the Bechdel test. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.000 That's true. I mean that is an intimate communication of 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.800 the mind and body. I mean it's kind of transcends 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.880 the Bechtel cast in many ways. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.880 So let's talk. Let's get get into it. It's a 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.440 it's a pretty recent movie, came out five years ago. Vanessa. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.640 What is your connection to this movie? How did it 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.680 come into your life? Um? So the way, I have 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.080 a lot of fondness for this movie because it also 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.679 kind of started with like my relationship and my husband 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.200 who I'm married to now. So it's one of like 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.760 the weirder First Few Days movies. But basically when we 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.039 had met, I was working on an article about sex 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.560 and horror and how for some people kind of an 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.640 entryway into like safely figuring out for themselves like something 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.080 off kilter that they might be into. And at the 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.400 time we met as friends, and he came over and 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:16.320 recommended a movie called um Southbound, and it's an anthology series, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.480 but one of it includes like a medical horror moment 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.800 um and it has a lot of like specifically, it's 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.800 like a lot of like sound and sensation. And I 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:31.480 proceeded to get too breathy on a couch next to 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.240 a man that I just brought into my house for 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.240 the first time that we were definitely not dating, like 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.080 embarrassingly breathy about it, literally blushing talking about it now, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.400 and uh, he was super chill about it. It was 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.000 just like, that's weird. I just learned something that I 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.400 like right there. And immediately he was like, have you 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.200 seen the movie Raw, because he's basically like knocking on 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.159 people's doors, being like, this is my Lord and xavior 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.120 Julia Dick right now, and he's like, this is so 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.480 like perfect for the piece that you're working on. And 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.080 so he'd been waiting for her to watch it with me, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.440 and we finally watched it together, and then the entire 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.480 time I kept looking at him and I was like, 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.039 this is the closest thing that has ever felt both 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:19.039 terrifying and right to like my experiences with sexual awakening, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.200 especially like growing up in a very repressed household in 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.800 school system, so like this became so valuable. Like the 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.039 last time I felt like this watching a movie was 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.479 American Psycho, when I was like, Oh, this is what 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.320 it looks like when a woman does something terrifying. This 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.240 is what it looks like when a woman like examines 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.520 something like this and like this where the intimacies changed 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.919 based on who's behind the camera. The last time I 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.800 felt that way was like seeing Mary har And do something. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.960 And now I'm just like all about whatever Julia Dickerno does. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.920 She could she could just do like a weird TikTok accidentally, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.480 and I'm like perfect art cinema. Yeah, we were talking 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.720 about the new movie of hers that is either already 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.320 has come out depending on when this episode drops or 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.640 is about to come out. It's like the releases like 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.480 right around this time. Uh, we're not sure of the pronunciation. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:16.800 It could be. We kept saying type tannic pane. Yeah, 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.880 we're not exactly sure, but it is her new movie 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.640 and it looks pretty cool. It really does. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:30.000 this this movie is I just I'm so thrilled about it. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.120 I had never I had heard of this movie. I 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.880 had heard of Julia Ducornet, and it was just like 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.480 not something that I and this is I feel like, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.800 especially in the past year or so, this has been 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:46.040 like changing pretty rapidly. But I never thought of myself 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.480 as a horror fan or someone who is naturally drawn 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.360 to horror. But seeing a movie like this. It is 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.960 absolutely a horror movie, but it's also like a coming 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.280 of age movie, which is very much something that give 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.760 almost any coming of age movie a fair shot. And 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.400 I was pleasantly taken off guard by how much I 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.600 loved this movie from almost every alex. I'm just I'm 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.680 so excited to talk about it. I'm so glad that 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.640 it exists, and I'm so glad that directors like Julia 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.840 Ducarno are working at such a high level. I wish 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.840 that like this had I was happy that. I mean, 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.920 this movie is pretty accessible, like you can watch it 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.520 for free a number of places to be I believe 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.160 is one of the ones. Yeah, yeah, I was. I 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.880 for one was a to be head for this. I 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.440 watched five tied commercials in a row and then continue 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:43.240 to watch raw whatever by any means, but I hope 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.240 that this, as time goes on, becomes like a horror 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.400 classic that is like not out of left field to 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.320 say that you've seen because I just thought it was wonderful. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.559 Thank you Vanessa for bringing it. I truly can't thank 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.680 you enough. It's so good. I also love that you 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.240 specifically brought like coming of age because horror is such 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.959 a perfect vehicle for that, Like you've seen it used 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.120 with both like um, I mean as literal as like 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.440 werewolf stuff where it's like suddenly I'm getting hair everywhere 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.400 and it's awkward to like more horrifying, visceral things. And 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.280 I feel like we have this collective amnesia about how 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.800 awful and gross and terrifying but also exhilarating puberty was, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.880 and oftentimes when we like examine it, it's usually with 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:31.360 like a ukulele and like butterfly knesses, and it's it's 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.840 something that kind of takes away this like feral nature 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.120 that we all kind of adopt as we're learning all 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.840 of the weird things our bodies do and how we 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.640 want to interact with other people. And I feel like 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.360 there truly should be more horror coming of age things, 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.320 because I cannot tell you how many times I'd like 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.520 pull down my pants or look in the mirror and 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.680 be like what is as a teenager? And it's the 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.880 scariest thing I've ever seen. My life was a horror 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.760 movie once a month when I got my period, because 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.560 I've never been in more pain than every time I 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.839 get my period. Yeah, So I grew up. I didn't 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.520 get sex said in school, and so I thought I 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:21.200 was shipping myself for a while because it feels like 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.240 you do because your internal organs are just like flexing 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.680 and unflexing. If you pull down your pants and it's brown. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.240 I just felt like it was a reasonable I'm like, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.480 that's so bizarre because I don't remember shipping myself, but 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.040 I guess that that's just what's been happening. They don't 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.560 prepare us for clots, No, they don't at all prepare 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.200 you for blood clots or the fact that some days 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.880 you might just have a jellyfish in your panties. Like 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.320 they were like, it's just like a little bit of 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.280 blood every month, and we are all wholly unprepared for 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.480 the first time it gets nearly. And also it's like, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.520 if you don't have someone on the ground to let 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.760 you know what's going on, all you see on TV 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.480 is it's blue. It's not even the color is done 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.680 weird blue stuff onto pads, and it's like, in what 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.080 world is this helpful? This kool aid jammer fell into 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:15.839 your panties? What do you do? Like cool? Not to 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.200 pull out the kool Aid jammer reference, but that was 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.320 at thirteen, I knew more about kool Aid Jammer than 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:28.439 I did about my own body. Um good grief. Um. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.320 I had seen this movie before a couple of years ago. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.240 I remember it. It has gotten kind of more and 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.000 more buzz since it came out, so I wanted to 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:41.559 say I saw it in like en ish. I was 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.560 surprised by how much I remember it, because usually if 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.880 I see a movie once and then a few years passed, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.400 it's I might as well have never seen the movie 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.360 because I simply remember nothing. But as I was rewatching 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.520 it for this episode, I was like, oh, yeah, and 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.400 I remember that, and I remember that I remember, was 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.800 like so much had made an impression. I was like, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.800 oh cool, there's a lot of perspectives you don't see 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.640 enough of so that when you do see it, it's 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.920 just in your brain forever. Yeah, it really like leaves 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:13.319 a lasting impression. So yeah, I was excited to rewatch 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.680 it for this and yeah, we've got a lot to 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.440 talk about. By that same token, though, I Jamie, we 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.080 were talking about this where we're like, I like kind 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.480 of don't. I didn't write down any notes for this 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.520 because I'm just like, yeah, it was good. It was 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.160 handled well, end of note, and it really is. It's 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.480 like I feel like it's rare to find a movie 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.079 that so like sucks you in. Yeah. That I found 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.040 it hard to like pause to take note because I 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.240 was like, I don't really want I really want to. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.600 I'm having too much fun. It's very fluid. There aren't 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.160 really any moments that like slow down or like maybe 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:51.680 that the pacing is like, oh here, I can like 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.800 look at my phone for a second. Because I think 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.920 this is just like another benefit of having a woman 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.880 behind the camera. The main character has always looked at 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.160 with like curiosity instead of like judgment or like what 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:10.760 is this small delicate creature? Uh, to where it feels 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.760 like a very intense nature documentary about a person. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.360 Oh my gosh. I felt like there was a lot 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.679 of camera choices that were so I mean, we're so 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:26.200 like every time you see Justine, she's hunched over and 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.760 if she's like she looks like she's the subject of 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.400 a nature documentary. The entire movie. It's. Yeah, the first 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.520 time you see like Alexis in the intro and she 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.400 like runs into the street and you know, causes the 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.280 car accident. She sprints like a dog or an animal 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.479 that's like running into traffic. She's like on all fours 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.800 and it's so deliberate, Like it feels like the way 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.160 an animal hunts for something and you see her from 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.160 far away, and it does have that like far enough 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.800 removed thing to where by stripping all of these characters 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.160 of humanity and treating them like animals, it just makes 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:05.560 it feel all the more human it was. Yeah, this 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.080 movie in particular just feels like you can just feel 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:15.120 that it is like women perceiving other women. Yes, like 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.920 in a way that it doesn't feel like it's bopping 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.640 you over the head with a mallet, but it just 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.200 like intuitively feels that way. Like if I saw this 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.200 movie knew nothing about it would be like this movie 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.520 had to have been made by someone who intuitively understood 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.280 Justine's experience and like where she would be coming from, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.760 because I don't know, like you can just feel it. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.600 I had that thought when I watched the peeing standing 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.160 up scene. Yeah, oh my gosh, because I knew never 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.480 in a million years would a dude ever include something 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.240 like that. And that's like a very specific kind of 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.440 camaraderie that would be considered gross that like men would 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.280 be like that's too gross, and they don't really understand 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.880 how down to be disgusting. We are like quote unquote disgusting, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.400 but like I also like deeply like as somebody that 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.440 like has a vagina wanted to learn how to pee 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.040 standing up so bad when because I was like, it's cool, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.480 like anyone of the penis can just like run off 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.160 and then like piss in the bushes and then come 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.520 back and keep playing. I want to pee standing up. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.240 So like when I saw that scene, it felt so 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.640 close to like similar experiences of like other girls being 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.000 like you want to see what this does? That it 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.200 like I was like, I've never seen anything like this 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.880 that scene. What I really enjoyed that scene, and I 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.160 thought that the way that it was shot was perfect. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.800 It's like I don't know, I mean, and for a 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.400 movie that is about cannibal ism, it feels bizarre to 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.040 be like, oh, you know, it didn't feel exploitatively shot 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.880 at all, but it really didn't like it was. It 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.160 felt like you got what you needed there, which is 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.360 the sisterhood at and also just like how many people 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.200 are you going to be that comfortable enough around to 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.560 be like, let's peace standing up even though it's going 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.080 to be messy. I don't know. I every time I 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.200 pee it sounds like a helicopter is landing and it's 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.680 like all over the place. But I certainly did try 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.480 at different points in my life. I never realized how 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.960 powerful my stream is until I pee outside, Like I'm 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.560 so used to hearing it in the bowl, and then 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.120 the first time it hits dirt, I'm like, I'm doing that. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.400 If you're just like, wow, I'm so let's bring that 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.440 strength to other areas of my body and life. We're 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.640 going to get those muscles everywhere, because my god, that's forceful. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.240 I'm just like, this could knock someone out. But I 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:40.200 don't know who knows. Wow. Anyways, when we're talking about 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.400 that's so excited about talking about peeing outside forceful peas, Yeah, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:51.640 I love a good forceful pe Uh. Let me let 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.880 me just not on the recap mp in take a 0:16:54.880 --> 0:17:01.280 little bite out of the recap. Shall we look at her? Go? Um? So, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.080 the movie starts on an open road where we see 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.080 a woman running into the road and seems to be 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.520 deliberately causing a car to crash into a tree, and 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.679 then we see her approach the crash, and then it 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:21.280 cuts to a young woman, Justine. She's dining with her parents. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.400 We learned that they are all strict vegetarians. Then they 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.120 drop her off at her first day of veterinary school, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.560 and the first night there, she and the other like 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.880 freshman students get hazed by the upperclassmen and they're brought 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:46.440 to this big party. There she meets her roommate Adrian. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.240 Adrian Audrian, I don't know the French France there, I was. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.560 I It made me laugh a little bit, and we 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.680 talked about we we recorded an episode earlier today about 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.200 Revenge of the Nerds, so there's been this like related 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.360 but deeply unrelated through line of hazing to what we've 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.119 been talking about all day. But I just thought it 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.400 was so like, not unbelievable, because it's like I certainly 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.959 haven't been to veterinary school, but I was like, wow, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:20.440 is hazing that intense among vets? Fuck? Yeah, it seems intense. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.120 Where I was just like, I don't know anything about 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.879 the world, so I'm just going to have to believe you. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.320 I guess I know. I was looking for I literally 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.040 I was seeking out vet insight because I was just like, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.359 is it that intense. They're like, are you Are you 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.320 all okay? Should I bring my cocker spaniel to the 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.959 likes of you if you're dumping blood on each other? Like, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.440 we don't know? Yeah, hard to say, Yeah, I could 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.040 not speak from experience, believe it or not. Wait, Caitlin, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.240 are you not a betted yourself to me? I did 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.120 not go to a French veterinary school. This is the 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:02.040 foremost French veterinary feminist podcast. So that's interesting. I don't 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:07.240 have a master's degree in veterinary study then from France 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:12.320 University where you can only work on French horses and 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:17.119 French dogs. Yes, very very they're they're wearing hats. It's nice. Um, okay. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.760 So Justine's older sister, Alex also goes to this school. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:26.280 She's an upper classman or an upper class woman. I 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.199 did write that in my recap, by the way, in 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.480 case anyone was curious. That was brave of you to 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:36.000 say thank you. They catch up with each other if 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.439 we find out that their parents also went to this 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.800 vet school. They kind of don't totally see eye to 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.480 eye on things, but they're excited to see each other. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.640 And then Justine starts classes the hazing continues throughout the week. 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:56.600 They all have to eat a raw rabbit kidney as 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.840 part of their hazing. Are the vets of the world 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.360 doing this like, it's not It didn't bump me at all. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.359 I was. I'm just genuinely curious if there's hazing in 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.800 veterinary school. Vet's sound off in the comments. I didn't 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.280 go to college, so that's what I'm assuming all colleges 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.840 like I went to loser college, and so I don't 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:22.399 know anyway. So she's presented with having to eat this 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.199 raw rabbit kidney, and Justine is like, I can't eat that. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.240 I'm a vegetarian. But her sister is like, no, just 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.520 eat it, be cool, So Justine does. Uh. Then she 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.720 seems to have a reaction to having eaten the rabbit kidney. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.320 She develops a severe rash all over her body. She 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.920 goes to see a doctor about it, who tells her 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.280 it's probably food poisoning and that she should fast for 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:53.119 a day. But Justine's like, well, except I'm very hungry. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.720 And then we see her steal a burger patty from 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.919 the dining hall and we're like, wait a minute, is 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.200 isn't she a vegetarian, what's going on? And then her 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.840 roommate Adrian takes Justine off campus to like eat her 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:13.080 first meat meal. On the way, they see the scene 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.800 of that car accident from the beginning of the movie. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.520 They passed that, and then they get their food, and 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:23.320 justin gas station food representation, I feel like there's not 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.680 enough gas station food in movies for how prevalent it 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.639 is in the real world. I mean, as a frequenter 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:36.960 of both sheets and Wahwas in my days in Pennsylvania, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:44.160 Wow Mayra vastown over here at the Wahwa. I grew 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.920 up in mostly sheets territory, so I've been to many 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.880 more sheets than Wahwas. But Vanessa, what was your what 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:55.240 was your go to gas station food? Growing up? Man, 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.080 I didn't really experience like full on gas like actual 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.440 like meal meals that weren't chip bags until I was 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.760 like an adult in Los Angeles. But many of the 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.160 ones by my high school would do like literally open 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.560 any chip and you can just dump it under the 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:16.760 chili and cheese, and so those with hot cheetos and 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.560 pickled Hallo pengos and then a bunch of Chilian cheese, 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:21.000 and then I would just eat it with chop sticks, 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.160 and now I wonder why I have ulcers all the time. Oh, 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.840 I'm sure this is completely unrelated. No, that's completely unrelated. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.760 It has to be. But it was like the popular 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.480 like get that and then walk home from school. And 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:36.359 then because we also like went to a private school, 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.760 we were like dying to eat garbage by the time 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.560 school got out. So then we were just like double 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.639 down on those. Hell yeah, Jamie, what's your go to 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.879 meal or experience? It's improved over time, but in uh, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.640 at least in I don't even know if it's all 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.359 of New England, but there's Cumberland Farms is the gas 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.680 station of note and you go to Compies, you get 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.840 a slushy, you get they have really good hot dogs, 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.320 which is like part part of my early adoption to 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.960 hot dogs was Cumbies hot dogs. They actually kept them 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:14.160 sort of hot, which felt very chic and novel because 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:18.200 they did cost seventy nine cents. So I love Cumbies 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.280 food to this day. I was getting like a lot 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.760 of like they because I feel like the gas stations 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:25.959 in the last ten years have been trying to like 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:29.480 make their food at least appear more healthy. Because now 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.760 when I go to combies, when I visit home, they're like, 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.479 would you like a grilled chicken wrap? I was like, 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.879 there's no way, there's no way. But it's like hot 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.560 dog as like, I don't come here for the grilled 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:45.720 chicken wrap, but I appreciate a for effort. Anyways, anyway, 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:52.119 gas station hot dogs and same thing. So she we 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.520 see her hungrily eat a bunch of meat, and then 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.480 later back at her dorm, we see her eat some 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:02.760 raw chicken. We're like, Wow, something's really happening to Justine. 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:04.600 And then she coughs up a bunch of her own 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:09.399