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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I have seen a headline that didn't include the fact

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're we're talking about at the time, she was

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Speaker 2: twenty one years old, Laken Snelling, a senior at the

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Speaker 2: because she looks like this all American girl at the

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Speaker 2: what prosecutors claim she did.

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Speaker 1: You know what, if you having been following this story

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Speaker 1: at all, just right now, close your eyes and picture

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Speaker 1: she just fits that bill. She looks like that. So

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Speaker 1: But the update we just got ropes she was initially arrested,

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Speaker 1: this week. They presented evidence to a grandeury.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they gave the grand jury all of the evidence

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Speaker 1: Going to ask you about that earlier.

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Speaker 2: That seems so sad to me. I'm imagining. Look, I

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Speaker 2: am not excusing anything that she is being charged with,

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Speaker 1: And this all stems from story last year. We did

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Speaker 2: and a lot of evidence these days is on our phone, correct.

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Speaker 2: We're updating a story we first told you about last summer.

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Speaker 2: In August, upcoming incoming college senior at the University of Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't. I don't know, man, I don't know

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Speaker 2: It's devastating. And this is a tough, tough, tough case.

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Speaker 2: The medical examiner in Kentucky they're determined, yes, that the

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Speaker 2: all accounts, she didn't intend to kill her baby. She

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Speaker 2: says she fell asleep on top of him, that she

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Speaker 2: was awake for about thirty minutes. She did say she

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Speaker 2: heard the baby he she said he, So it was

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Speaker 2: a little boy, make some whimpers. So she did acknowledge

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Speaker 2: that the baby was born alive. That's of note. The

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Speaker 2: medical examiner also agreed with that. So she never has

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Speaker 2: tried to say that the baby was still born and

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Speaker 2: she didn't know what to do. She has admitted that

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Speaker 2: the baby was born alive. It's what happened next that

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Speaker 1: To fight about. In course, yes, she says she accidentally

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Speaker 1: killed her child. Okay, jury determines that's the case, then

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of her mistreating a corpse. But Vavee,

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Speaker 1: that is that we are that is the case. Did

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Speaker 1: she kill this baby or not?

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Speaker 2: And the problem is the only person who knows is

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Speaker 2: Lake and Snelling. No one else was in the room.

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Speaker 2: Her roommates. By all accounts. No one even knew she

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Speaker 2: was pregnant. No one has come forward saying they knew

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Speaker 2: she was pregnant, that she talked about her pregnancy, that

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Speaker 2: she talked about being nervous about not knowing what to do.

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Speaker 2: This came as a surprise to the girls who lived

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Speaker 2: with her. And look, you live with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: girls off campus, been there, done that. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: imagine that no one knew she was nine months pregnant.

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Speaker 2: That's a remarkable thing to me to even get my

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Speaker 2: head around. And then to only have reported hearing noises. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: they thought something strange was going on, and they went

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Speaker 2: baby wrapped up like a burrito. As how the baby

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Speaker 2: was described in a trash bag in her closet. Now,

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Speaker 2: she did say that she laid next to this baby

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Speaker 2: to comfort the baby. Correct, that was what she told police,

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Speaker 2: That this was giving her comfort and that the death

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Speaker 2: was purely accidental. So look, we will have to wait

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Speaker 2: and see what happens next. Again, she has a court

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Speaker 2: hearing next month in April. Perhaps she'll say something, perhaps

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Speaker 2: she won't. But her next arrayment is on April tenth.

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Speaker 2: We will continue to follow this story, but it certainly

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Speaker 2: is a sad one, and we certainly you know, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to say if this was an accident, if this

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Speaker 2: was a panicked moment, certainly the cover up after the fact.

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Speaker 2: She's admitted to panicking and not knowing what to do.

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Speaker 2: But this is just a heartbreaking story all around, and

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Speaker 2: we just appreciate you listening to us update you on

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Speaker 2: this latest information coming out of Kentucky. I'm Amy Roebuck

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Speaker 2: alongside my partner T. J. Holmes. We will talk to

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Speaker 2: you soon.