WEBVTT - COINTELPRO, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Something that

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<v Speaker 1>has come up several times on our show is FBI

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance of people who were associated with the civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>movement in the United States. Most recently, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the bureau creating this file on James Baldwin that was

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<v Speaker 1>more than seventeen hundred pages long, and in earlier episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about things like the FBI using wire taps

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<v Speaker 1>to spy on Bayard Rustin and Martin Luther King Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this surveillance was connected to a series

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<v Speaker 1>of counterintelligence programs or Cohen's hell pros that primarily targeted

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<v Speaker 1>left wing organizations and people in the US from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six until nineteen seventy one. The FBI framed this

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<v Speaker 1>as work that was necessary to prevent violence and protect

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<v Speaker 1>national purity, But a whole lot of the people and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that they targeted, we're not violent and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>threatening national security. Mostly they were just threatening the status quo,

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<v Speaker 1>and the FBI pursued the one co intel pro that

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<v Speaker 1>really really was focused on violent organizations with a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different end in mind than what it pursued with the

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<v Speaker 1>other operations. Um, this is one of those topics that

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<v Speaker 1>includes a whole lot of history that is just a

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<v Speaker 1>complicated tangle, So we're gonna tackle it in two parts. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about the history of the FBI, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>it related to communism and perceived subversive threats, because all

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<v Speaker 1>that fed directly into co Intel Pro. We're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to give an overview of the types of tactics that

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI used across these various programs, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the one co intel pro that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an outlier in all of this, which was

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<v Speaker 1>co Intel Pro White Hate. Next time, we will get

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the specifics of the co intel pros

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<v Speaker 1>that geted black liberation organizations and the new Left, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as how these programs were finally exposed to the public.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation team that would become the US Federal Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>of Investigation was established in nineteen o eight, and at

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<v Speaker 1>first this was a small group of newly hired investigators

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<v Speaker 1>who worked for the Department of Justice under the Office

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chief Examiner. Before this point, when the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice needed investigators, it had either hired private investigators

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<v Speaker 1>or borrowed investigators from other departments. In nineteen o nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the Office of the Chief Examiner was renamed the Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>of Investigation. The Bureau's work involved enforcing federal law and

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<v Speaker 1>helping to protect the nation from threats. In nineteen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>just after the US entered World War One, Congress passed

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<v Speaker 1>the Espionage Act, or an Act to punish acts of

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<v Speaker 1>interference with foreign relations, the neutrality of the foreign commerce

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, to punish espionage and better to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce the criminal laws of the United States, and for

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<v Speaker 1>other purposes. The Bureau of Investigation had become the government's

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<v Speaker 1>largest investigative agency, and it was tasked with enforcing the

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<v Speaker 1>Espionage Act. The Bureau of Investigation also had an assortment

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<v Speaker 1>of other duties, including guarding the US border with Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>during the Mexican Revolution. The same year that the Espionage

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<v Speaker 1>Act was passed, j Edgar Hoover joined the Department of Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>The following year, Congress passed the Sedition Act, which expanded

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<v Speaker 1>the Espionage Act to focus on anti war activists and socialists.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sedition Act made it a federal crime to quote, willfully, utter, print, rite,

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<v Speaker 1>or publish any disloyal, profane, scureless, or abusive language about

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<v Speaker 1>the form of the government of the United States. It

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<v Speaker 1>also outlawed urging, inciting, or advocating any curtailment or reduction

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<v Speaker 1>in the production of war material. Then, in nineteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>U s. Attorney General amish Will Palmer his home was bombed.

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<v Speaker 1>This was part of a series of male bombings carried

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<v Speaker 1>out that year, with seven other bombings happening on that

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<v Speaker 1>same night. We have a two part episode on the

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<v Speaker 1>bombings and the massive series of raids and deportations that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>and that two parter originally came out in twenties sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>J Edgar Hoover led a team to investigate these bombings,

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<v Speaker 1>and the espionage and Sedition Acts were a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. The raids, incarcerations, and deportations that followed became

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Palmer Raids and they were part of

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<v Speaker 1>the first Red Scare, which was a widespread fear of Bolshevists, anarchists, socialists,

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<v Speaker 1>and immigrants as a threat to American life and national

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<v Speaker 1>security by Attorney General Palmer's handling of these investigations had

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<v Speaker 1>come under intense scrutiny from both within and outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the US government. On May of that year, a team

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<v Speaker 1>of twelve lawyers issued a report on the raids. Mr

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<v Speaker 1>report detailed cruel and unusual punishments, arrests without warrant, unreasonable

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<v Speaker 1>search as in seizures, compelling persons to witness against themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda by the Department of Justice, and provocative agents, which

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<v Speaker 1>were basically operatives who entrapped people. Palmer's reputation suffered as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of all this, and he returned to private

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<v Speaker 1>practice after failing to win the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

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<v Speaker 1>William J. Flynn was director of the Bureau of Investigation

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and soon he was replaced as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Espionage and Sedition Acts were repealed in nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety one, but Hoover's reputation wasn't really tarnished by

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement in all this. Soon he was being groomed

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<v Speaker 1>to take over the Bureau. J. Edgar Hoover became the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Investigations director in nineteen twenty four, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau was renamed the Federal Bureau of Investigation in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. Of course, there is a ton of history

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<v Speaker 1>between when Hoover joined the Department of Justice and when

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI started its co into prose. Hoover was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in modernizing and standardizing the FBI, and the bureau itself

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in investigating organized crime during prohibition. During World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, the FBI also maintained lists of Japanese, German,

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<v Speaker 1>and Italian nationals believed to be a threat to domestic

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<v Speaker 1>security and kept those people under surveillance. Then, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese immigrants and their American born descendants were incarcerated under

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<v Speaker 1>Executive Order ninety sixty six. That is also covered any

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<v Speaker 1>previous two parter of the podcast. The Central Intelligence Agency

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<v Speaker 1>was founded in nineteen forty seven to focus on foreign intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>That left the FBI to focus on domestic intelligence and

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<v Speaker 1>on investigating federal crimes. This creation of the CIA happened

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<v Speaker 1>under the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>that act also included this definition of counter intelligence quote

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<v Speaker 1>information gathered and activities conducted to protect against espionage, other

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence activities, sabotage or assassinations conducted by or on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of foreign governments or elements thereof foreign organizations or foreign persons,

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<v Speaker 1>or international terrorist activities. A big part of this same

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<v Speaker 1>time span was the fight against communism. Following a precedent

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<v Speaker 1>that had been set by the Palmer Aids, the First

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<v Speaker 1>Red Scare, and the Espionage and Sedition Acts, in nineteen forty,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress passed the Alien Registration Act, also known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Smith Act, and this act included clauses that made it

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<v Speaker 1>illegal for any citizen or resident of the US to quote, advocate,

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<v Speaker 1>a bet, advise, or teach the duty, necessity, desirability, or

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<v Speaker 1>propriety of overthrowing, or destroying any government in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States by force or violence. Just as the Espionage and

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<v Speaker 1>Sedition Acts had been used to target political dissenters and immigrants,

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<v Speaker 1>the Smith Act became a primary tool for prosecuting calm anists.

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<v Speaker 1>In ninety eight, eleven leaders of the Communist Party USA

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<v Speaker 1>were tried and convicted under the Smith Act. They hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been directly advocating for the overthrow of the U S government,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had been teaching from works by Karl Marx

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<v Speaker 1>and Vladimir Lenin that described the revolutionary overthrow of governments

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<v Speaker 1>as necessary. The Supreme Court upheld these convictions and Dennis

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<v Speaker 1>versus the United States in nineteen fifty one, and this

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<v Speaker 1>court decision moved the country away from an earlier standard

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<v Speaker 1>that required evidence of a clear and present danger in

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<v Speaker 1>order to justify the government placing limits on free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>The focus on communism escalated during the Cold War. World

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<v Speaker 1>War two had left the US and the USS are

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<v Speaker 1>as the two remaining superpowers, and at first the US

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one with nuclear weapons, but the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union detonated its first to nuclear device in nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon it became clear that spies had been at

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<v Speaker 1>work within the US nuclear program. This sparked an increasing

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<v Speaker 1>fixation on the idea that Soviet agents were infiltrating the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, including through the US Communist Party. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also a more general fear of Communist infiltration, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>whether a particular person or organization had ties back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union. The House un American Activities Committee had

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<v Speaker 1>been established in nineteen thirty eight to investigate suspected disloyalty,

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<v Speaker 1>including ties to communism, during the Cold War. The committee's

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<v Speaker 1>activities became notorious under the direction of Senator Joseph McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>This was all part of the Second Red Scare, which

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<v Speaker 1>was another national panic, this time focused on the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of Communist infiltration. This panic grew out of the tensions

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<v Speaker 1>between the US and the U. S s R, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was further inflamed by other events like the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Communist Revolution which started in nineteen forty nine and the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean War which started in nineteen fifty. To be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the people targeted by the House and American

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<v Speaker 1>Activities Committee really were communists or otherwise had ties to

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<v Speaker 1>the Communist Party, and there were some communists who really

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<v Speaker 1>did have ties back to the Soviet Union and its leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>even to the point of spying on the US or

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<v Speaker 1>expressing overt loyalty to the Soviet Union and its leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>But the overall paranoia was disproportionate to the actual level

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<v Speaker 1>of threat or the number of Communists who had ties

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<v Speaker 1>to the U. S s R. That also went way

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<v Speaker 1>beyond communism and started targeting more general political activity and dissent.

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<v Speaker 1>The Communist Party had advocated for things like labor rights,

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights, and women's rights, and that made it really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to brand anyone who fought for these same causes

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<v Speaker 1>as a communist, as McCarthy, Hoover, and other public figures

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<v Speaker 1>stoked existing fear and paranoia, the government and private organizations

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<v Speaker 1>tried to purge themselves of anyone deemed to be disloyal

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<v Speaker 1>or a security threat for any reason, for example, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who might be susceptible to blackmail, and the national climate

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<v Speaker 1>was one of suspicion, repression, and fear. By early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four, McCarthy's support was starting to wane because of

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<v Speaker 1>his aggressive tactics with the Committee. I can't remember now

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<v Speaker 1>if we mentioned this already, but they're are also has

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<v Speaker 1>yet another two parter on this back in the archive.

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<v Speaker 1>After he accused several Army officers of having Communist ties,

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<v Speaker 1>his own behavior was investigated, and the Senate voted to

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<v Speaker 1>condemn his conduct on December two of nineteen fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the House an American Activities Committee still existed, its

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<v Speaker 1>prominence and its reputation declined through the late nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 1>and sixties. In a lot of ways, the FBI's co

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<v Speaker 1>Intel Prose picked up where the House on American Activities

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<v Speaker 1>Committee left off. And we're going to talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>that after we paused for a sponsor break. The FBI

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<v Speaker 1>and the House an American Activities Committee were actively working

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<v Speaker 1>together during the McCarthy era, but the FBI didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>publicize what it was doing or try to promote the

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<v Speaker 1>overall idea that communists had infiltrated a lot of American institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Hollywood. It left that to the Committee, whose activities

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<v Speaker 1>were publicly known and reported in the press. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the papers that I read while researching all of this

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<v Speaker 1>described the FBI during this time as laundering its intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>and counterintelligence activities through the House an American Activities Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the House an American Activities Committee came under

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<v Speaker 1>scrutiny in nineteen fifty four, its own activities declined, but

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI's related work did not. Instead, J Edgar Hoover

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<v Speaker 1>drew on the Communist Control Act of nineteen fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>or quote, an act to outlaw the Communist Party, to

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<v Speaker 1>prohibit members of communist organizations from serving in certain represented

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<v Speaker 1>of capacities, and for other purposes nice and specific there uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This Act banned the Communist Party of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>framing it not as a legitimate political party, but as

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy to overthrow the government. This law came out

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<v Speaker 1>of the same ongoing fear and suspicion of communism, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also connected specifically to the labor movement. There was

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<v Speaker 1>some overlap between the Communist Party and union organizers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the acts specifically banned members of the Communist Party from

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<v Speaker 1>holding office and labor organizations. This was purportedly to protect

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<v Speaker 1>unsuspecting workers from Communist subversion, but really it granted the

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<v Speaker 1>government a lot of leeway to investigate labor organizations and

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<v Speaker 1>to invalidate their collective bargaining agreements if they were determined

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<v Speaker 1>to be Communist infiltrated. Hoover interpreted the Communist Control Act

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<v Speaker 1>as giving the FBI broad authority to investigate and proactively

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<v Speaker 1>disrupt communist threats in the U S and when the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau started these counter intelligence programs, at first the focus

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<v Speaker 1>was on communism. The first formal co intel pro built

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<v Speaker 1>on ongoing counter intelligence efforts that targeted communists. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called co Intel Pro Communist Party USA or cp U

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<v Speaker 1>s A, and that was launched in nineteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>This formal co intel pro grew out of a series

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<v Speaker 1>of field conferences that were held that year as suspected

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<v Speaker 1>communists had been brought to trial under the Smith Act.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI's informants from within the Communist Party had been

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<v Speaker 1>exposed when they were brought in to testify in court.

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<v Speaker 1>These field conferences were held in part to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how the Bureau could recruit new informants. A counter intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>program was recommended as a way to keep targeting communists

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<v Speaker 1>while recruiting new informants. Shortly after the FBI established co

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<v Speaker 1>intel pro Communist Party USA, the U. S. Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>partially reversed its earlier decision in Dennis versus the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>This time the decision was in Yates v. United States.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court, under Chief Justice Earl Warren, ruled that

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<v Speaker 1>radical reactionary speech was protected under the First Amendment. People

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<v Speaker 1>could talk about revolution and overthrowing the government in the abstract,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was protected speech unless it posed a clear

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<v Speaker 1>and present danger. Thus overturned the convictions of fourteen people

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<v Speaker 1>who had been charged with violating the Smith Act. On

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<v Speaker 1>the same day, the Supreme Court also issued two other

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<v Speaker 1>decisions in cases involving communism and members of the Communist Party,

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<v Speaker 1>and both cases protected their rights to things like privacy

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<v Speaker 1>and due process. These Supreme Court decisions were the first

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<v Speaker 1>of a series that overturned or narrowed the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>laws that had been providing the foundation for the FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>activities against suspected communists. The FBI argued that these court

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<v Speaker 1>rulings left them with no other choice but to fight

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<v Speaker 1>communism through covert counter intelligence, so by the time the

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<v Speaker 1>cointl pros were uncovered and investigated, more than half of

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<v Speaker 1>all the proposed operations had been aimed at the Communist

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<v Speaker 1>Party USA. The FBI carried out one thousand, three hight

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<v Speaker 1>eight separate documented efforts against the Communist Party, whose membership

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<v Speaker 1>went from twenty two thousand in the early nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 1>to three thousand by nineteen fifty seven. But the focus

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<v Speaker 1>expanded out from communism. Co intel pro CPUs A targeted

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<v Speaker 1>communists and suspected communists, and then organizations that had Communists

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<v Speaker 1>among their members, and then organizations that were maybe tangentially

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<v Speaker 1>connected to suspected communists, and then organizations whose purpose and

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<v Speaker 1>goals had some common themes with the Communist Party even

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<v Speaker 1>if there were no Communists involved, And then the definition

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<v Speaker 1>of communism expanded to include pretty much anything that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau considered to be subversive. Coencal pro Cpo SA also

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<v Speaker 1>included counterintelligence operations against civil rights activists, initially because of

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<v Speaker 1>known or suspected ties to communism. For example, Stanley David

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<v Speaker 1>Levison was a friend and advisor to Martin Luther King, Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had also been one of the major financiers

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<v Speaker 1>of the communist part of USA. But this targeting of

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights activist was not just about actual connections to communism.

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<v Speaker 1>Was also because the Bureau saw civil rights work in

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<v Speaker 1>the US in general as a subversive threat. So as

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<v Speaker 1>coencal pro Cpo s A expanded, the FBI put intense

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<v Speaker 1>efforts into discrediting and disrupting civil rights organizations. The FBI

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly broke into civil rights organizations offices to steal documents,

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<v Speaker 1>and got the I r S to start spurious audits

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<v Speaker 1>of civil rights leaders. In nineteen sixty four, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>sent an anonymous letter to Martin Luther King June year,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly written by an anonymous black person, calling him quote

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<v Speaker 1>a colossal fraud and an evil, vicious one at that

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<v Speaker 1>This letter was accompanied by an audio recording purportedly documenting

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of King's extramarital affairs. It ended by saying that

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<v Speaker 1>there was quote only one thing left for you to do.

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<v Speaker 1>The implication was that King should take his own life,

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<v Speaker 1>and it said he had thirty four days to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>that deadline being the day he was due to accept

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<v Speaker 1>the Nobel Peace Prize. So those are just examples of

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<v Speaker 1>the targeting of civil rights groups. And as the focus

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<v Speaker 1>of co intel pro CPUSA expanded, the Bureau also started

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<v Speaker 1>establishing other separate counterintelligence programs. When a Senate committee investigated

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<v Speaker 1>the US government's intelligence operations starting in ninety five, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about that in Part two. They found

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<v Speaker 1>five specific named FBI co intel pros, including co intel

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<v Speaker 1>pro Communist Party USA. The next cointell pro Socialist Workers

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<v Speaker 1>Party started in nineteen sixty one. This one was short lived.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole bunch of freedom of information acts stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the FBI website, and this one only has like

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<v Speaker 1>three pages are three lengths of stuff to go through,

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<v Speaker 1>like the other ones have sometimes twenty and thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>multiple pages of links to go through. So we're not

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<v Speaker 1>covering that one in as much detail. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that the Bureau routinely did was to target

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<v Speaker 1>Socialist Workers Party members who were running for public office

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<v Speaker 1>to undermine their political campaigns. In nineteen sixty four, the

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<v Speaker 1>bureau launched co Intel pro White Hate, co Intel pro

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<v Speaker 1>Black Nationalist Slash Hate groups started in nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and co Intel pro New Left started in nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Other counterintelligence programs were also unearthed later on, with targets

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<v Speaker 1>that included the American Indian Movement and Puerto Rican independence activists. Ostensibly,

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<v Speaker 1>the goals of all these counter intelligence programs were to

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<v Speaker 1>protect national security and to prevent violence, and to do

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<v Speaker 1>that the FBI would quote expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise neutralize its targets. The one exception was coin cell

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<v Speaker 1>pro White Hate, and with that the FBI was focused

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<v Speaker 1>on curbing white nationalist violence rather than neutralizing the targeted

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<v Speaker 1>groups altogether, which was more the focus and the other

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<v Speaker 1>coin cel pros we're going to get to more about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a bit. At the same time, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI was purportedly preventing violence, some of these operations

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<v Speaker 1>incited violence. For example, the FBI tried to start or

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<v Speaker 1>escalate violent disputes between the black Panthers and street gangs

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<v Speaker 1>operating in the same areas. As another example, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>clear whether the FBI played a direct part in the

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<v Speaker 1>assassination of Malcolm X, but the Bureau definitely stoked the

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<v Speaker 1>divisions and disputes within the Nation of Islam that led

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<v Speaker 1>to his assassination. Another Bureau effort that was unearthed later

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<v Speaker 1>was Operation Hoodwink, which was an effort to quote evoke

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<v Speaker 1>a dispute between CPUSA and LaCOSA Nostra, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>to try to start a war between the Communist Party

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<v Speaker 1>in the Sicilian mafia. And beyond these ideas of national

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<v Speaker 1>security and violence prevention, these programs also worked to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>the existing social and political order in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>These co intel pros, many of them targeted organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>were not violent and did not threaten national security, but

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<v Speaker 1>they did advocate for changes big and small and how

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<v Speaker 1>the country operated or treated its residents and citizens, especially

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<v Speaker 1>women and people of color. Although there was some variation

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<v Speaker 1>from one to another, which we will get into, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau tended to use similar tactics all across all of

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<v Speaker 1>these various counterintelligence programs. Most of these tactics came from

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<v Speaker 1>counterintelligence work that had been carried out in foreign countries

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<v Speaker 1>during wartime with outcomes that the FBI considered to be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, the United States had honed these techniques

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<v Speaker 1>against its enemies during wartime, and then the FBI started

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<v Speaker 1>using them in the US against its own citizens. To

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<v Speaker 1>quote the Church Committee report, which followed a Senate investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into US intelligence activities. Quote, the techniques were adopted wholesale

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<v Speaker 1>from wartime counter intelligence and ranged from the trivial mailing

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<v Speaker 1>reprints of readers digest articles to college administrators to the

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<v Speaker 1>degrading sending anonymous poison pen letters intending to break up marriages,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dangerous encouraging gang warfare and falsely labeling members

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<v Speaker 1>of violent groups as police informers. So the bureau relied

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<v Speaker 1>on informants, surveillance, and other investigative tools to get information

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<v Speaker 1>about organizations, their activities, and their members. This included everything

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<v Speaker 1>from conducting interviews to opening and photo copying people's mail,

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<v Speaker 1>you breaking into organizations offices to tap phones and copy documents.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it used that information to create division, distrust, and dissent.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the interviews themselves did that work. Interviewing members of

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<v Speaker 1>an organization to make others suspect they were informants, or

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<v Speaker 1>conducting multiple simultaneous interviews to make people think that their

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<v Speaker 1>organization had been infiltrated. One specific tactic used to breed

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<v Speaker 1>distrust was called snitch jacketing, also known as bad jacketing,

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<v Speaker 1>which involved using things like planted evidence and faked communications

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<v Speaker 1>to make it seem like a loyal member of an

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<v Speaker 1>organization was really an FBI informant. In some cases, FBI

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<v Speaker 1>informants planted the suspicion that loyal members were informants to

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<v Speaker 1>shift the focus off of themselves, and the FBI used

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<v Speaker 1>this tactic within organizations that had a reputation for violence,

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<v Speaker 1>as mentioned earlier, even though that carried the real potential

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<v Speaker 1>for the targeted member to be assassinated or otherwise harmed.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bureau all so called people's parents, employers, landlords, and

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<v Speaker 1>universities to inform them of their involvement in targeted organizations

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get them fired, evicted, or expelled. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of the targets of co intel pro New Left were

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<v Speaker 1>college students, and the FBI either contacted their parents to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them about their children's purportedly subversive activities or they

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<v Speaker 1>faked calls from parents to students haranguing them for their

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<v Speaker 1>political activity. The FBI also created and distributed published material

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<v Speaker 1>that was meant to discredit their targets, and they fed

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<v Speaker 1>news stories, sometimes real and sometimes fabricated, to the media.

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<v Speaker 1>FBI informants gave media interviews in which they intentionally tried

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<v Speaker 1>to make the organizations they were purportedly representing look as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as possible, whether it was through using loaded rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>or emphasizing a group's most controversial viewpoints, or just seeming unhinged.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI also paid informants to make false state mints,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, paying informants who were part of non violent

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<v Speaker 1>organizations to make public calls for violence. In some cases,

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<v Speaker 1>the bureau even set up local branches of an organization,

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<v Speaker 1>with the branches entire membership being made up completely of informants,

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<v Speaker 1>or they set up new fictitious organizations whose members were

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<v Speaker 1>all informants so that they could work against their actual targets.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI also outed gay people and spread rumors about

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<v Speaker 1>people's sexual orientations, regardless of what their sexual orientation actually was.

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<v Speaker 1>They made postcards and mailed them to people's homes like

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<v Speaker 1>for example, a card that said quote thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your successful participation in anti establishment and anti military Industrial

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<v Speaker 1>complex activities, and those were sent to college students parental addresses.

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<v Speaker 1>During co intel pro New Left, the Bureau used postcards

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<v Speaker 1>specifically so that mail carriers, other members of a target's household,

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<v Speaker 1>and others could also see the messaging, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>intended target would wonder who else might have seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Although most of these tactics were used across all the

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<v Speaker 1>different counterintelligence programs, they weren't used identically or to the

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<v Speaker 1>same extent from one to another. For example, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really create a lot of false documents to drive

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<v Speaker 1>negative publicity for the Ku Klux Klan under cointell pro

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<v Speaker 1>White Hate. It didn't really need to, since the Ku

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<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan's activities included openly harassing and murdering civil rights activists.

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<v Speaker 1>As another example, the FBI also used tactics that had

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<v Speaker 1>the potential to cause really serious physical, emotional, or economic

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<v Speaker 1>harm during coin cell pro black nationalists hate groups, but

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<v Speaker 1>really rarely used similar tactics when they were working in

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<v Speaker 1>cointell pro White Hate. Although the FBI was fairly insulated

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<v Speaker 1>from other government departments, which is how it was able

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<v Speaker 1>to carry out these kinds of programs for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>It also pulled in other departments in bureaus. As part

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<v Speaker 1>of this work, the FBI leaked real and false information

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<v Speaker 1>to the i r S, prompting audits of civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>leaders and other targets, essentially using the i r S

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<v Speaker 1>to harass people. It did the same with local police,

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<v Speaker 1>leading to things like police harassment, arrests, false charges, and

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<v Speaker 1>just a selective enforcement of existing laws depending on who

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI thought deserved to be prosecuted. Basically, all these

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<v Speaker 1>efforts combined investigation, disinformation, psychological warfare, and harassment to try

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy organizations that the FBI thought were threatening or,

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of coin cell pro white hate, to

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<v Speaker 1>just try to curb those organizations violence rather than trying

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<v Speaker 1>to neutralize them altogether. And all of this the FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>focus was on whether what it was doing was effective,

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<v Speaker 1>not on whether these tactics were constitutional or otherwise legal.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the FBI, co intel pro operations were a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny proportion of its overall work between nineteen fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen seventy one, quote about two tenths of one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the FBI's workload over a fifteen year period.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, more than fifty thousand pages of

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<v Speaker 1>co intel pro documents were released to the public. Starting

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, a Senate investigation concluded that the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI had carried out two thousand, three hundred seventies separate

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<v Speaker 1>counterintelligence actions, with almost one thousand additional actions being proposed

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<v Speaker 1>but not carried out. More were unearthed. Later on, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about coincal pro white hate, which, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've noted, as kind of an outlier in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>After a quick sponsor break, the FBI established most of

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<v Speaker 1>its cointal prose because I believe that the people and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that it was targeting were a threat. Overwhelmingly, these

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<v Speaker 1>targets were on the political left. They were people in

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<v Speaker 1>groups who were advocating for things like civil rights, black liberation,

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<v Speaker 1>women's liberation, pacifism, socialism, communism, nuclear disarmament, and an end

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<v Speaker 1>to the US involvement in the Vietnam War, things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>As we noted at the top of the show, there

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<v Speaker 1>were exceptions, but most of the time the people and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations being targeted weren't violent threats. Even organizations that weren't

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<v Speaker 1>specifically non violent. A lot of the time, we're focused

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<v Speaker 1>on defending themselves with violence if necessary, not on instigating violence,

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<v Speaker 1>or in some cases there were individual members of an

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<v Speaker 1>organization that were involved in violence while the organization itself

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<v Speaker 1>was not. Co Intel Pro White Hate started on July

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<v Speaker 1>four and in many ways it was an outlier when

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<v Speaker 1>compared to the other co intel pros. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>other programs shifted and expanded over time, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>them were particularly vague. For example, in co Intel pro

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<v Speaker 1>New Left, the FBI did not have a precise definition

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<v Speaker 1>for what New Left and ment, but co Intel pro

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<v Speaker 1>White Hate was focused on white supremacist groups, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>Ku Klux Klan, and it kept that focus throughout its

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<v Speaker 1>whole existence. The Ku Klux Klan has been through a

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<v Speaker 1>few iterations in the United States, and it surged in

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<v Speaker 1>popularity during the Civil Rights movement, with its members fighting

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<v Speaker 1>against integration and terrorizing black people in other communities, using

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<v Speaker 1>everything from cross burnings to murder. Coincil pro White Hate

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>targeted seven Team Ku Klux Klan organizations and nine other

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<v Speaker 1>hate groups, including the American Nazi Party. Another big difference

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<v Speaker 1>is that many of the other co intel pros were

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<v Speaker 1>focused on organizations that were challenging the status quo. The

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<v Speaker 1>Ku Klux Klan and other targeted hate groups, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, were maintaining the status quo by upholding segregation, racism,

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<v Speaker 1>and white supremacy. They harassed, threatened, and murdered integrationists and

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights workers, primarily in the Southern United States. In general,

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<v Speaker 1>members of these organizations were also Christian, anti communist, intensely patriotic,

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<v Speaker 1>and supportive of both local and federal law enforcement. So,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike with the other co intel pros, the FBI's goal

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't to totally neutralize these groups. It was just to

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<v Speaker 1>curb their violence and prevent that violence from spreading to

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<v Speaker 1>other groups. The FBI also took the initiative to launch

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<v Speaker 1>its othern coincal pros based on its own assessments of

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<v Speaker 1>what constituted a threat, But coincal pro white hate followed

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<v Speaker 1>intense pressure from outside the bureau, including from President London

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<v Speaker 1>Baines Johnson and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy. Current and

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<v Speaker 1>former Klansman and other white supremacists had carried out a

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<v Speaker 1>whole series of murders and other acts of violence has

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<v Speaker 1>included the nineteen six Street Baptist church bonding, which killed

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year olds Addie mccollins, Denise McNair and Carol Robertson

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven year old Cynthia Wesley. Also included the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three murder of Medgar Evers and the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four murders of civil rights activists Michael Schwermer, Andrew Goodman,

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<v Speaker 1>and James Cheney. After coin Cell pro white Hate started,

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<v Speaker 1>members of the clan also murdered Violet Luzo, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the participants in that murder might have been a

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<v Speaker 1>paid FBI informant. The FBI was criticized for failing to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent or intervene in any of this, something that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau had argued was not part of its jurisdiction, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four had guaranteed

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<v Speaker 1>black Americans equal protection under the law in a number

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<v Speaker 1>of different contexts, which made it hard for the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>to continue that argument. Coin Cell pro white hate ben

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<v Speaker 1>served several purposes for the FBI. It allowed the bureau

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<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate for the President and the Attorney General that

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<v Speaker 1>it was doing something to investigate these crimes at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, by using covert counter intelligence, the FBI could

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<v Speaker 1>do most of this work in secret without alienating or

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>antagonize things Southern law enforcement, many of whom tacitly allowed

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<v Speaker 1>the Ku Klex Klan and other hate groups to operate

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<v Speaker 1>in their area or actively participated. As a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>when j Edgar Hoover said quote Dr. Martin Loser King

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<v Speaker 1>is the most notorious liar in the country in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, that was in response to King's criticisms that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bureau was too friendly with Southern segregationists and that

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<v Speaker 1>the Southern FBI agents were not taking threats to Black

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<v Speaker 1>Americans seriously. The FBI used a lot of the types

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<v Speaker 1>of tactics that we discussed earlier in the episode during

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<v Speaker 1>co and cel pro white hate. As we noted earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bureau didn't really need to create materials to try

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<v Speaker 1>to bring bad pr to the clan because the clan

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<v Speaker 1>was doing a lot of that work for them. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI publicized not only their hate crimes, but also other

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<v Speaker 1>crimes committed by clan leaders and members, including things like

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<v Speaker 1>embezzlement and attempting to arrange marriages between clan members and

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>underage girls. The SBI also publicly identified clan leaders, including

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<v Speaker 1>leaking their names to the press who published critical articles

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and satirical editorial cartoons. After the House on American Activities

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<v Speaker 1>Committee held hearings on the clan, something that the committee

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>was pressured to take on, the FBI released those findings

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<v Speaker 1>to the press as well. The FBI also worked to

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<v Speaker 1>so distrust within these organizations. They sent thousands of postcards

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<v Speaker 1>to clan members that either implied or a flat out

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>said that the government had infiltrated the organization or that

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>accused KKK leaders of fraud or other wrongdoing. Postcards said

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<v Speaker 1>things like clansmen, trying to hide your identity behind your sheet?

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>You received this, someone knows who you are. Once again,

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>these postcards served multiple purposes to make clan members think

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<v Speaker 1>the organization had been infiltrated, to make them wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>many other people had seen that postcard on its way

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and to make it possible for other people

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<v Speaker 1>in including postal workers, to see that the target was

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<v Speaker 1>in the clan. During coin Cell pro White Hate, the

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Bureau created the National Committee for Domestic Tranquility, which sent

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<v Speaker 1>letters and other materials to clan members to stoke dissent

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and spread rumors about informants. They printed accusations that clan

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>leaders were the Antichrist and kind of a weird irony.

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>The FBI, which because we've talked about, was really focused

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<v Speaker 1>on undermining communism, tried to undermine clan membership by spreading

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>rumors that communists had infiltrated the organizations. The organization itself

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was fiercely anti Communist. Some of the operations were almost bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>In one instance, the FBI collected the charred remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>a cross that the clan had burned and then had

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it delivered by courier to a clan meeting, hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>reinforce the idea that not only had someone known about

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the cross burning and who was behind it, but that

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>they also knew when and where the group gathered. Is

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<v Speaker 1>not clear how effective this was. According to the book

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that I was reading about this um, they took it

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>outside and tried to light it on fire again. The

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>targeted hate groups naturally realized that they had informants in

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>their midst Some turned towards requiring lie detector tests and

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<v Speaker 1>questioning people under the effects of sodium pentahal to try

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<v Speaker 1>to determine whether a person was loyal. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>clear whether co Intel pro white hate thwarted white supremacist violence,

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<v Speaker 1>but overall membership in the clan did drop during these years,

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<v Speaker 1>from an estimated fourteen to fifteen thousand members before co

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<v Speaker 1>Intel pro to four thousand, three hundred in nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>It does also seem that public perceptions of the clan

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<v Speaker 1>shifted during these same years, with more people, especially more

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>white people, seeing the Clan and similar hate groups as

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<v Speaker 1>violent and unstable and mentally connecting the clan to Nazis.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Some white sub earned leaders who had tacitly or directly

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>approved of the clans activities gradually distanced themselves during the

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Bureau's operations. So in the next episode, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about some of the other co and Tell pros,

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<v Speaker 1>including intense targeting of the Black Panthers, and we'll also

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, honestly, one of my favorite parts of this

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<v Speaker 1>whole story, which is how these programs were finally exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very very good story. So good do

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<v Speaker 1>you have in the realm of good stories? I hope

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<v Speaker 1>a listener mail I do I do? This is from uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this name is pronounced Leah. I'm very sorry

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<v Speaker 1>if I have said it wrong. Leah says, Hello, Holly

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<v Speaker 1>and Tracy. Thank you for all the great subjects to

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<v Speaker 1>cover in your episodes. I enjoy listening whenever my toddler

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<v Speaker 1>allows me to. I never thought I'd be sending you

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<v Speaker 1>an email, but the episode on the history of beekeeping

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<v Speaker 1>changed my mind. My grandparents lived in Oregon in an

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<v Speaker 1>old depost station building that was converted into a home.

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<v Speaker 1>The building still exists as far as I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>as a child, I visit of this building, which was

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<v Speaker 1>then the home of a real estate business, and what

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<v Speaker 1>was once the kitchen my grandparents had an observation beehive.

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<v Speaker 1>The beehive was still there when I visited as a child,

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<v Speaker 1>but the room was no longer a kitchen. This home

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<v Speaker 1>has some history because, as the story was told in

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<v Speaker 1>my family, my grandfather used some dynamite to remove plaster

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<v Speaker 1>off the walls when doing some home renovation. It did

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<v Speaker 1>just that and split a hole in the corner of

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<v Speaker 1>the house. I don't remember my grandparents very well. They

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<v Speaker 1>died when I was very young. Your episode on beekeeping

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of them, as a side note, I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up with my father keeping bees in our lot in California.

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<v Speaker 1>We kept them at the very back of the lot

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<v Speaker 1>in the chicken coop. I grew up chewing on the

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<v Speaker 1>honeycomb caps that were sliced off the honeycomb itself with

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<v Speaker 1>a hot knife. We collected so much honey that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we ever bought honey for twenty years later, however,

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<v Speaker 1>when my mom passed away and we had to clean

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<v Speaker 1>out and sell her house, we found some honey containers

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<v Speaker 1>that had leaked and left stains on the cement floor

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<v Speaker 1>of the basement. I don't think the new owners will

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<v Speaker 1>ever guess that the stain was cast by honey. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>again for your great storytelling and unlocking the world beyond

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<v Speaker 1>my home during this time. Leah. Ps, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>like really long titles. I hope the long subject line

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<v Speaker 1>catches your attention. UM, and this subject line, for everyone's delight,

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<v Speaker 1>is observation be hive in the kitchen, dynamite for home

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<v Speaker 1>reno and honey stains on cement floor. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for this email, Leah. I hope everybody, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've said before, is is just keeping themselves as safe

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<v Speaker 1>as it's possible to do. I know, stuff is still

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for everyone, and you know, particularly hard for

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the people that UM are are facing multiple, multiple crises

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<v Speaker 1>that are unfolding at the same time. UM So, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you everyone for listening, Thank you Leah for this email.

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