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Speaker 2: I was noticing and looking up some overviews of studies

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Speaker 2: for veterans with PTSD that they're actually the va IS

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Speaker 2: for the first time in fifty years focusing on these studies.

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Speaker 2: They're involving rigorous protocols and are conducted and controlled clinical

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Speaker 2: environments in conjunction with intensive psychotherapy, which is very important.

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Speaker 2: The Department of Veteran Affairs is actually funding research into

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Speaker 2: psychedelic assisted therapies and it's a fascinating subject and topic,

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Speaker 2: especially with people that are really really suffering and wondering. Christian,

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Speaker 2: if you know anything about these studies or have looked

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Speaker 2: into the efficacy of.

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Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think you know, there's in many circles,

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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of knowledge and understanding that I mean,

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Speaker 4: these are all these are all around psilocybin, by the way,

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Speaker 4: which is a different mushroom than aminidam ascaria. But you know,

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Speaker 4: people's lives. I think a lot of these There was

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Speaker 4: one study in which I think it was four out

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Speaker 4: of five participants it's one of the top one or

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Speaker 4: two experiences of their life and these experiences can completely

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Speaker 4: transform somebody's life within a single experience, and yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: there's there's a lot of efficacy to it. And we're

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Speaker 4: starting to see see you know, psilocybin's becoming decriminalized in

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Speaker 4: many areas and and a lot of people are gaining

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Speaker 4: access to to something that wasn't accessible before, which I

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Speaker 4: think is a is a really beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: What we were talking earlier tonight about shared death experiences

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Speaker 2: and about near death experiences being very indelible in the brain.

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Speaker 2: Does this am a need to have that type of

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Speaker 2: effect of maybe a near death experience or something that

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Speaker 2: the brain remembers vividly as if it was yesterday, But

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Speaker 2: time and time and time again.

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Speaker 3: It can.

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Speaker 4: But that's that's really with really really really large doses

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Speaker 4: that most people are are going to find uncomfortable. And

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Speaker 4: it's it's really not what most people are utilizing this for.

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Speaker 4: I would say maybe maybe three to five percent of

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Speaker 4: the people that are utilizing this mushroom or.

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Speaker 3: Are utilizing what we call heroic doses, But what do

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Speaker 3: they utilize it for?

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Speaker 5: This particular Yeah, it's it's largely for you know, like

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Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier, kind of the space that it helps

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Speaker 5: give between people's thoughts and which gives people the ability

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Speaker 5: to reassess how they react to m things and then

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Speaker 5: you know, nal pathways to help in the future so

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Speaker 5: that they can react to things a little bit more

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Speaker 5: in line with with who they would like to be.

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Speaker 3: But most most people are.

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Speaker 4: Coming to it initially for things like sleep issues, anxiety issues, depression,

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Speaker 4: really really anything in that that realm and category. A

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Speaker 4: lot a lot of people are coming to it with

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Speaker 4: with physical elements too. A lot of people find that

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Speaker 4: it works extraordinarily well.

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Speaker 3: For pain relief.

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Speaker 4: We are plenty of people that utilize it in place

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Speaker 4: of opiates.

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Speaker 3: And then there's there's other.

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Speaker 4: Physical elements that a lot of people think that it

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Speaker 4: helps a lot with, such as lime disease or various

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Speaker 4: nerve conditions. So it has a pretty wide scope of efficacy.

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Speaker 4: But the majority of people are getting into it for anxiety, insomnia,

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Speaker 4: things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: And it has a calming effect or does it have

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Speaker 2: a focusing effect?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it has a little bit of both.

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Speaker 4: Actually, So it hits it hits the Gavas system, which

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Speaker 4: is our inhibitory system. So that's what alcohol hits or

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Speaker 4: what you know, benzodatazine hits and x clonipin atavan, so

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Speaker 4: it has a relaxing, grounding effect it also and then

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Speaker 4: you know, it can lower inhibitions a little bit and

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Speaker 4: relieve stress and help us sleep. And then it also

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Speaker 4: hits the glutamate system, which is what you know, something

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Speaker 4: like ketamine hits, and it does it in a very

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Speaker 4: light way. But the theory is and there's unfortunately there's

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Speaker 4: no data around this currently. We're in the process of

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Speaker 4: funding research, but research is very expensive and it takes

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Speaker 4: a long time to complete, so we're still looking at

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Speaker 4: you know, a few years out before having any like

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Speaker 4: real good solid data on this. But there's the conjecture

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Speaker 4: is the thought is that it increases neuroplasticity to a

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Speaker 4: neuronal networks. And it also hits the coolin ergic system,

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Speaker 4: which is what a lot of the neurotropics and smart

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Speaker 4: Of like executives or business people or you know, certain

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Speaker 4: and artists and but yeah, so it's kind of a

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Speaker 3: Utilizing it for.

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it just like we

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Speaker 4: to kind of a calling that that people have initially

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Speaker 4: when they when they it starts popping up more, they

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Speaker 4: feel kind of a resonance towards it, right.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, this is something that I know have been

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Speaker 2: It's been done for in the desert environments and so forth,

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Speaker 2: for people to have encounters with paranormal experiences and to

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Speaker 2: really cross spiritual gateways with these types of psychedelics. Can

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Speaker 2: you talk about if that would enhance something an experience

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Speaker 2: that you might call paranormal?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there was a book written in the fifties by

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Speaker 4: Andrea Puhuric, and he was an.

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Speaker 3: Esp researcher and he was it's a long story.

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Speaker 4: And I won't get into the whole thing, but he

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Speaker 4: ends up researching Amanita and studying it.

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Speaker 3: On sensitives, individuals that he called.

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Speaker 4: Sensitives, and he found that it increased their esp faculties

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Speaker 4: by like ten twentyfold when they're utilizing Amanita. And one

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Speaker 4: in synchronicity, there's a strong increase in intuitive capabilities.

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Speaker 3: The first time I utilized there was kind of a

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Speaker 4: But the first time I used a micro microdose when

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Speaker 4: it was like initially, and I had, you know, immediate relief.

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Speaker 4: But the fun part of the story is I was

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Speaker 4: And she's telling me the story and as she's telling

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Speaker 4: And like, you know, I've had intuitive glimpses like this

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Speaker 4: And these types of instances seem to increase when people

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Speaker 4: would that would also include you know, if one's more sensitive,

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Speaker 4: then the more prone to having these paranormal experiences also.

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Speaker 4: And I've had a host of these, and I know

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Speaker 3: Host of these.

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Speaker 4: I can't say for sure if aminit has helped contribute

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Speaker 3: You know, the at this point in my life.

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Speaker 2: It's just an experimental thing. What about historical uses, like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so do you have, like I mentioned

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Speaker 4: beta was actually amitamiscaria. And it's a pretty compelling argument.

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Speaker 3: You have John a.

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Speaker 4: the Dead Sea Scrolls when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found,

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Speaker 4: and Jesus utilizing One of his arguments was that potential

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably a little bit far fetched, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: He also said the alternative was that they were utilizing caminita,

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Speaker 4: and one of the arguments was that the original Eucharist

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Speaker 3: But then you have it.

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Speaker 4: Pepper throughout most cultures around the world. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: About how it was used or The only real.

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Speaker 4: Surviving culture that utilizes it very consistently are the Siberians.

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Speaker 3: And actually the word shaman comes from the.

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Speaker 4: Siberian Shamans in Siberia that utilized need a mascaria and

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Speaker 4: now that word is, you know, utilized a cross cultures

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Speaker 4: for anybody that utilizes plant medicines will say to produce

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the history is pretty profound.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit more about the paranormal

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Speaker 2: experiences of where people would have or experience something that's

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think, I think when one starts noting

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Speaker 4: anxiety around their daily activities. I think people open up

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Speaker 4: more to these types of experiences, and then furthermore, when

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Speaker 4: utilizing like very very high doses, people can have some

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Speaker 4: with something like hyahuasca or something like psilocybin and heroic doses.

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Speaker 4: But again that's that's really not for everybody, but some

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Speaker 2: But can you experiences with this for sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's there's you know, conversations with with entities.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that amanita does for me

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Speaker 3: I'm just like with any any of these these psychedelics

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm welcoming callers to call in about that,

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Speaker 2: if they have any ideas of where these mushrooms are

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Speaker 2: used in psychoactive settings, or if they're used in therapeutic settings,

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Speaker 2: if they're used with veterans, if anyone's had experiences with

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Speaker 2: these types of mushrooms, or even d MT or something.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference between d MT, psilocybin and this particular mushroom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, d MT and psilocybin are very similar. They're they're

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Speaker 3: tripped to me.

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Speaker 4: They worked on the serotonin system primarily five H T

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Speaker 4: two A receptors. They produce traditional psychedelic experiences that that

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Speaker 4: people think of when they think of psychedelics or aminate.

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Speaker 4: That's completely different. It works on completely different receptor sites

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Speaker 4: in the brain. It's actually technically not psychedelic. It gets

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Speaker 4: lumped into that category pretty often, but it's it's certainly psychoactive,

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Speaker 4: but in really in any.

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Speaker 2: Difference between psychedelic and psychoactive.

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Speaker 4: So psychoactive is just anything that that alters your brain

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Speaker 4: chemistry and changes the way that one, you know.

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Speaker 3: Feels things.

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Speaker 4: Psychedelic is traditionally like external visuals hallucinations. I'm really when

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Speaker 4: it comes down to it, it's a psychedelic as a

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Speaker 4: serotonergic thing. It's working on a serotonin system. But but yeah,

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Speaker 4: so this this technically isn't psychedelic. It's psychoactive though, but

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Speaker 4: it's not gonna generally produce you know, the walls aren't

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Speaker 4: going to be breathing, like you're not going to be

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Speaker 4: you know, seeing things that aren't there. In high doses,

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Speaker 4: it can be somewhat psychedelic, but it's an internal experience.

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Speaker 4: It's more of it's more of a it's not necessarily visual.

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Speaker 4: It's more of this like this deep intuitive, knowing, dreamlike

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Speaker 4: experience that tends to happen. Yeah, it's just it's it's

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Speaker 4: hard to put into words.

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Speaker 3: But it's a different experience.

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Speaker 2: And you're saying this is not addictive to have these

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Speaker 2: types of experiences.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there there's a potential aspect for for any

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Speaker 3: sort of psychological addiction with things like this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: people can.

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Speaker 4: Get generally, you don't find addiction with something like psilocybin

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Speaker 4: or like DMT or ayahuasca, but it's people can can

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Speaker 4: want to go back to it, maybe more often than

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Speaker 4: they should, which is definitely it can be problematic, but

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Speaker 4: it's that's generally not too often and the same the

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Speaker 4: same as with Amanita. I mean, there are there are

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Speaker 4: people that probably take it too much and take it

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Speaker 4: too consistently in larger doses, but there's no like withdrawal

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Speaker 4: or anything when one stops. And like I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 4: it's generally anti addicting for most people. Like it tends

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Speaker 4: to move people out in a way from addictions, just

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Speaker 4: like something like sslcybin does.

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Speaker 3: Are like Ibo game for instance. You know, there's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of data.

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Speaker 4: Coming out recently about ivy game, which is really really

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Speaker 4: powerful powerful medicine.

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