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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>A little after sunset on December eighth, nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>firefighters from the Island County, Washington Fire Department were standing

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<v Speaker 2>by in their truck on the side of Smuggler's Cove

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<v Speaker 2>Road on Whidbey Island, about an hour north of Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd been called in by an FBI swat team, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was no fire, not yet anyway. The agents were

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<v Speaker 2>more than thirty hours into an armed standoff, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting desperate to end things one way or another.

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<v Speaker 2>A volley of tear gas canisters didn't drive their subject out.

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<v Speaker 2>A helicopter buzzing just feet above the house didn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to rattle him at all. He just fired his machine

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<v Speaker 2>gun through the roof, forcing the agents to call off

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<v Speaker 2>the helicopter for the sake of the pilot's safety. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to take their fugitive alive if they could, but

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations weren't getting them anywhere. After months spent tracking this

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi terror cell, they finally had its ring leader cornered.

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<v Speaker 2>Two other safe houses had been successfully raided the day before,

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<v Speaker 2>and several of the man's co conspirators his closest friends

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<v Speaker 2>were brought to the scene to reason with him. Communication

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<v Speaker 2>broke down pretty quickly after the other man inside the

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<v Speaker 2>house emerged ready to surrender. He was carrying a duffel

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<v Speaker 2>bag stuffed with forty thousand dollars in cash from one

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<v Speaker 2>of the group's robberies. Tucked into the cash and the

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<v Speaker 2>bag was a suicide note penned by the man firing

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<v Speaker 2>at them from the upstairs window. By the evening of

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<v Speaker 2>the first day of the standoff, Robert J. Matthews was

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<v Speaker 2>alone inside the house and he was ready to die

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<v Speaker 2>in it. When FBI agents finally got their hands on Matthews,

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<v Speaker 2>he was charred beyond recognition. The house had burned to

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation, Any evidence it may have contained was gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and Matthew's body had to be identified using dental X rays.

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<v Speaker 2>A series of daring armored car robberies had netted the

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<v Speaker 2>gang over four million dollars. Some of that money surely

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<v Speaker 2>burned alongside Matthews, but in the months before his death,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Matthews took a cross country road trip handing out

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<v Speaker 2>bags of cash. Some of that money went to the

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things you'd expect, buying land and keeping the

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<v Speaker 2>dream of the race war alive. By purchasing guns and

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<v Speaker 2>crates of grenades, and the majority of that money was

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<v Speaker 2>never fully accounted for, let alone recovered. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>those bags of cash went on some unexpected journeys. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Molly Conger and this is weird, little guys. As the

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<v Speaker 2>sun set on the second day of the standoff on

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<v Speaker 2>Whidbey Island and the last day of Robert Matthews's life,

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<v Speaker 2>the decision was made to fire several flares into the house.

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<v Speaker 2>The flares would almost certainly set the house on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>The tear gas hadn't bothered Matthews. He had a gas mask,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe his romantic visions of dyeing with his fingers

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<v Speaker 2>still on the trigger would go up in smoke if

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<v Speaker 2>the house burned. The fire truck was waiting at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the driveway, ready to extinguish the flames as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as they had their men and handcuffs, so they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be able to recover any of the remaining cash from

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<v Speaker 2>the armored car robberies that may still be in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>At six thirty pm on December eighth, nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>three flares were fired through a downstairs window. The glass

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<v Speaker 2>was already gone shattered to bits by bursts of gunfire

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<v Speaker 2>from boat sides, and as the agents had anticipated, a

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<v Speaker 2>fire broke out. But they hadn't accounted for the contents

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<v Speaker 2>of the room. The flares hadn't just ignited a sofa

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<v Speaker 2>or the curtains or a throw rug. They ignited cases

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<v Speaker 2>of ammunition. The controllable house fire they hoped with smoke

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<v Speaker 2>out their fugitive, turned into a towering inferno as the

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<v Speaker 2>flames reached a stockpile of explosives stored inside the home.

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<v Speaker 2>The firefighters waiting out on the street couldn't even approach

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<v Speaker 2>the house as crates of bullets fired themselves in the heat.

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<v Speaker 2>They could only watch as the house burned laid into

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<v Speaker 2>the night. Normally, this is the part of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>where I tell you, but that's the end of Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew's story, and we have to start at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>But not today. Today we're starting after the end of

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<v Speaker 2>his story, partly because I'm still waiting on some archival

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<v Speaker 2>materials from a special collections library on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. My interlibrary loan is still pending. The

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<v Speaker 2>story of Robert Matthews and his Nazi bank robbery gang.

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<v Speaker 2>The order is forthcoming. Don't worry, that forty year old

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<v Speaker 2>story is still very much alive within the white supremacist movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Those fourteen words they're all so obsessed with were first

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<v Speaker 2>penned by David Lane while he was in prison for

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<v Speaker 2>the murder of Alan Berg. But as I started plotting

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<v Speaker 2>out the framework of that story, I got a little

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<v Speaker 2>lost down one hundred little rabbit holes. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of new questions about things I'd never wondered about before.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're one of those listeners who wishes the show

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<v Speaker 2>had a more linear narrative and fewer characters and fewer tangents,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to like this one. But the story

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<v Speaker 2>of the Order has had such an impact on the

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<v Speaker 2>last forty years of white supremacist buy in America, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no honest way to tell it neatly. Because if there's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I want this show to convey more than

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, is that there are no lone wolves. And

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<v Speaker 2>the myth of the lone wolf is so persistent, not

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<v Speaker 2>just because it is maybe somehow less frightening to think

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<v Speaker 2>of these acts of violence as some kind of completely

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<v Speaker 2>random freak accident, but also because we crave these concise

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<v Speaker 2>linear narratives. But if you tell any lone gunman's story

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<v Speaker 2>that way, it tends to absolve the ecosystem that formed

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<v Speaker 2>him and his network of accomplices. Think of this story

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<v Speaker 2>as a sort of introduction to a cast of characters

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be hearing about again. Just let me plant some

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<v Speaker 2>narrative seeds that will take a little time to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>So before I can tell you a story about how

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty cents lottery ticket purchased with a counterfeit ten

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<v Speaker 2>dollar bill at a liquor store in Philadelphia ended up

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<v Speaker 2>unraveling a network of Nazi terrorists, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about where some of that stolen money ended up. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about public access television, four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>acres of undeveloped land and Appalachia, a racist chiropractor from Tampa,

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<v Speaker 2>and the nineteen eighty eight AT and T shareholders meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Bear with me. What would you do if you suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>had four million dollars in dirty money? I think for

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<v Speaker 2>most of us, the first answer is something like I

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<v Speaker 2>would help my friends and my family. I'd fund worthwhile

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<v Speaker 2>projects and advance causes I believe in. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what our Nazi gang did here, but their friends

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<v Speaker 2>and family were also Nazis, and the causes they believed

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<v Speaker 2>in where things like arming an Aryan paramilitary force to

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<v Speaker 2>overthrow the government, etc. Robert Matthews was generous with this

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<v Speaker 2>ill gotten cash. He paid members of the group handsomely.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Order wasn't your average gang of thieves who

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<v Speaker 2>were out for themselves. They weren't trying to get rich.

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<v Speaker 2>They were trying to fund a movement, and Robert Matthews

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a sort of racist Robin Hood, stealing

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<v Speaker 2>from the Jewish controlled system to give to the downtrodden

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<v Speaker 2>Aryan Man. Accounts vary as to who received a share

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<v Speaker 2>of this stolen money, and most of those accounts are

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<v Speaker 2>from embittered rivals who turned state's witness, and those accounts

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<v Speaker 2>don't always match up across sources. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>the figures I'm using here are found within the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety book The Silent Brotherhood by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt.

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<v Speaker 2>The authors were able to secure cooperative interviews with some

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<v Speaker 2>former members of the Order, some of the recipients of

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<v Speaker 2>the money, and Robert Matthews's mistress, Zilla Craig. When there's

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<v Speaker 2>a discrepancy between the sources I'm using, I am defaulting

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<v Speaker 2>to those in Kathleen Blues bring the war home, which

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<v Speaker 2>is exhaustively researched and well footnoted. The whole story of

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<v Speaker 2>the string of robberies is one for another day, But

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<v Speaker 2>most of the money we're talking about here came from

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<v Speaker 2>a single score. On July nineteenth, nineteen eighty four, six

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<v Speaker 2>members of the Nazi group the Order loaded three point

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<v Speaker 2>eight million dollars in cash out of the back of

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<v Speaker 2>a Brinx armored car on Highway twenty near Yucaya, California.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks later, Robert Matthews left his wife and son

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<v Speaker 2>behind in Washington and loaded his pregnant mistress into a

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<v Speaker 2>used Pontiac Bonneville and drove east. Their first stop was

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<v Speaker 2>at a farm near Kaha to Michigan to visit Robert Myles.

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<v Speaker 2>Myles had once been an influential clan leader, rising to

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<v Speaker 2>the rank of Grand Dragon of the Realm of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy one, he bombed ten empty school buses

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<v Speaker 2>the week before a court ordered desegregation program was set

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<v Speaker 2>to begin in Pontiac, Michigan. Earlier that year, he and

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<v Speaker 2>four other clansmen forced a high school principle in Ipsilani

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<v Speaker 2>out of his car at gunpoint and literally tarred and

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<v Speaker 2>feathered the man. They doused a high school principle with

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<v Speaker 2>hot tar and coated him in chicken feathers. He'd been

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<v Speaker 2>driving home from a school board meeting where he was

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<v Speaker 2>advocating for the district to honor Martin Luther King Junior Day.

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<v Speaker 2>The years Myles spent in federal prison for those acts

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<v Speaker 2>did little to change his attitudes about race. By the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, Myles's clan days were more or less behind

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<v Speaker 2>him his true calling as the pastor of a Christian

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<v Speaker 2>identity church that he called the Mountain Church of Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>Christ's Savior. He was also the Midwest coordinator for Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Butler's Aryan Nations and hosted Aryan Nations gatherings at his

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<v Speaker 2>farm in Michigan, and in August of nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Matthews and his mistress spent the night on that farm.

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews gave Miles three hundred thousand dollars in stolen cash

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<v Speaker 2>for use in his church, which included a prison ministry

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<v Speaker 2>aimed at radicalizing incarcerated white men through letter writing campaigns

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<v Speaker 2>and mailing them white power newsletters. In return, Myles gave

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews a letter of introduction to Fraser Glenn Miller. A

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<v Speaker 2>few days later, in Annengeer in North Carolina, Matthews knocked

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<v Speaker 2>on the front door of Fraser Glenn Miller, the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the White Patriot Party. Robert Miles's letter of introduction

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<v Speaker 2>was enough to gain his trust, and he invited Matthews

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<v Speaker 2>and his mistress in for dinner. Later that night, Miller

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<v Speaker 2>met Matthews again, this time at a hotel. Miller was

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious of this generous offer of two hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in cash, concerned that Matthews may be an FBI informant

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<v Speaker 2>trying to entrap him in some kind of scheme. But

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<v Speaker 2>he did take the money, and ironically, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>Fraser Glenn Miller who would later turn state's witness, returning

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<v Speaker 2>most of the money to the government. He testified against

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<v Speaker 2>many of Matthew's associates and entered the witness protection program

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<v Speaker 2>as Fraser Glen Cross. But it's hard to stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the program if you can't leave the movement. Miller's story

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<v Speaker 2>is one better saved for his very own episode because

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<v Speaker 2>it ends with him dying of old age on death row.

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<v Speaker 2>This cross country road trip also included a night at

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel in Arlington, Virginia. It's no surprise that Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews would pay a visit to William Luther Pearce. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be shocking if he hadn't. Matthews had been a

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<v Speaker 2>member of Pierce's National Alliance since nineteen seventy nine. It

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<v Speaker 2>was at the nineteen eighty three National Alliance General Convention

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<v Speaker 2>that he gave the fiery speech that kicked off the

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<v Speaker 2>formation of the Order just a year earlier, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Order took its name directly from the plot of Pierce's

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<v Speaker 2>novel The Turner Diaries. And on August sixth, nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews handed his mentor a paperbag. The amount of cash

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<v Speaker 2>inside is usually put at fifty thousand dollars, although that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to trace back to a single statement made by

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<v Speaker 2>another member of the Order, man named Bruce Pearce, who

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<v Speaker 2>is not related Zillah Craig. Matthews's mistress witnessed this handoff,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was only able to say that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a quote large amount of money, and considering she had

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<v Speaker 2>seen Matthew's hand Robert Miles three hundred thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>Fraser Glenn Miller two hundred thousand dollar that very same week,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what she means by a large amount. Tom Martinez,

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Order who would turn informant, says

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews never disclosed how much money had given William Luther Pierce.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, the only figure ever offered is fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. I just really struggled to understand why he

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<v Speaker 2>would give his personal hero so little. Three weeks after

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<v Speaker 2>William Luther Pierce received that paper bag full of cash,

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<v Speaker 2>he announced at the nineteen eighty four National Alliance Annual

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<v Speaker 2>Convention that the group now had enough money to proceed

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<v Speaker 2>with his plan, which was to purchase three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four acres in Hillsboro, West Virginia, and begin building

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<v Speaker 2>his compound. Headline. Speakers at that meeting included Kevin alfred Strom,

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<v Speaker 2>who you may remember as the pedophile from the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode of this show, and a chiropractor from Florida named

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<v Speaker 2>Herbert Poinsett. Penn and Herb were coming back to him,

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<v Speaker 2>Pierce paid ninety five thousand dollars, all in cash for

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<v Speaker 2>the land in West Virginia just a few weeks later.

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<v Speaker 2>Other recipients of generous gifts from the Order's coffers were

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<v Speaker 2>men like Michael Stanley Norris, who played a part in

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<v Speaker 2>the future Stormfront webmaster Don Black's hair brained scheme to

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<v Speaker 2>overthrow the government of a small Caribbean nation. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>story I'm really looking forward to telling. Louis Beam, the

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<v Speaker 2>man who popularized the concept of leaderless resistance, is said

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<v Speaker 2>to have gotten one hundred thousand dollars. Forty thousand went

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<v Speaker 2>to Richard Butler and his Aryan Nations, one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>went to the Covenant the Sword in the Arm of

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord in Arkansas. An unnamed history professor in Columbus,

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio received an unknown amount of cash to fund a

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<v Speaker 2>White Power band. Dan Gamon, the pastor of a Christian

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<v Speaker 2>identity church in Missouri, got fifteen thousand. And there were

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<v Speaker 2>rumors that Matthews had left one or maybe two million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars with a lawyer in Denver for safekeeping. But nobody

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<v Speaker 2>knows who that might have been or how much it was.

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<v Speaker 2>But the money I've been working my way around to

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<v Speaker 2>is this three hundred thousand dollars gifted to California clansman

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Metzker. Tom Metzker is such a central figure in

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<v Speaker 2>so many stories of white power in America in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighties that I'm troubled by the need to condense his

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<v Speaker 2>biography for our purposes here. But he was a rising

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<v Speaker 2>star in the Klan in the seventies and organized his

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<v Speaker 2>own clan border patrols at the Mexican border in California,

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<v Speaker 2>a stunt that was later copied by Louis Beem and

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<v Speaker 2>David Duke in Texas. He ran for Congress in California's

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<v Speaker 2>forty third congressional district in nineteen eighty, winning the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>primary but losing badly to the incumbent Republican. He was,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, disavowed by the entire Democratic establishment in California.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Governor Jerry Brown publicly endorsed the Republican in that race.

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<v Speaker 2>But guys like Metzger don't run to win. They run

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<v Speaker 2>for free access, to unlimited attention. And he got it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he ran again in nineteen eighty two, this time

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<v Speaker 2>for Senate, and he earned just two percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>vote in the primary. Gore Vidal, who I'd honestly forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>ever had political aspirations, came in at fifteen percent in

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<v Speaker 2>the same primary. Everybody knew Tom Metzker's name. A story

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<v Speaker 2>in the North County Times in Oceanside, California around that

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<v Speaker 2>same time period about a woman's passion for knitting includes

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<v Speaker 2>the line Metzger forty seven, who emphasizes she is not

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<v Speaker 2>related to Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger says she

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<v Speaker 2>was taught by her mother to knit forty three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Riding high on this attention, Metzger's movement aspirations evolved. He

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<v Speaker 2>left the clan behind and formed his own organization that

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<v Speaker 2>he originally called the White American Political Association. He quickly

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<v Speaker 2>renamed it White American Resistance and then finally White Aryan Resistance,

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<v Speaker 2>often just called war. But the attention was fading. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in the news all the time when he was

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<v Speaker 2>running for office, but in early nineteen eighty four, the

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<v Speaker 2>local paper was clowning on him for his poorly attended crossburnings,

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<v Speaker 2>running headlines like KKK gave crossburning. Nobody came about the

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<v Speaker 2>December nineteen eighty three cross burning ceremony in la where

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<v Speaker 2>Metzger had been arrested alongside Arian Nation's leader Richard Butler

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<v Speaker 2>and several members of the Order. The article notes that

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<v Speaker 2>while the first issues of his new White Arian Resistance

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper had been quote a slick tabloid on quality paper,

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<v Speaker 2>recent issues were down to just a single mimeographed sheet.

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<v Speaker 2>But his fortunes seemed to have changed just a few

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<v Speaker 2>months later. Just weeks after Tom Metzger would have received

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<v Speaker 2>that three hundred thousand dollars from the Order, the Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Times Advocate in Escondido, California ran a front page story

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<v Speaker 2>about Metzger's newest venture. He was going to be on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Metzger had been on TV before. He loved

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<v Speaker 2>being on TV. He had debated IRV Rubin from the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish Defense League on a local program in May. But

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<v Speaker 2>on September twenty eighth, nineteen eighty four, Tom Metzger wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just on TV. He was hosting his own show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, I'm Tom Metzger, host of ra Race and Raisin

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<v Speaker 1>is a show dedicated to free speech, a small island

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<v Speaker 1>of free speech and a sea of controlled and managed news.

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<v Speaker 2>The first episode of Race and Reason debuted that day

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<v Speaker 2>at four thirty five pm. It aired on Public Access

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<v Speaker 2>Channel twenty four in Poway, California, but Metzger promised that

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<v Speaker 2>he would soon be broadcast on public access channels throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the San Diego area. He claimed he already had deals

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<v Speaker 2>in the works to get the show on public access

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<v Speaker 2>channels in Orange County, San Francisco, New York, Philadelphia, and Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>People weren't happy that The Klansman was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on TV, but Metzger told the paper quote, I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you I would be a much better fellow to interview

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<v Speaker 2>people on television than I wouldn't be on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much easier on the public if you remember Ocean Side.

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean Side in this context is a reference to a

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<v Speaker 2>March nineteen eighty Clan rally that he led through largely

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<v Speaker 2>his Spanic neighborhood of Oceanside, California, just months after the

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<v Speaker 2>Greensboro massacre, where members of the American Nazi Party murdered

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<v Speaker 2>five communists in North Carolina. The Klansmen chanted, if the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis don't get you, a Klansman will, and just as

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<v Speaker 2>they had in Greensboro, the police and Ocean side failed

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<v Speaker 2>to intervene as white supremacists violently attacked protesters. No one

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<v Speaker 2>was killed at the Ocean Side rally, thankfully, but at

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<v Speaker 2>least seven people were injured, including a news cameraman who

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<v Speaker 2>was bludgeoned with a large rock and a socialist organizer

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<v Speaker 2>named Bruce Kala who was beaten by a group of

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.520
<v Speaker 2>klansmen with clubs. Kala had to be hospitalized for a

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<v Speaker 2>severe head injury and received two hundred stshes. The line

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<v Speaker 2>of riot cops seemed not to move at all until

0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a Klansman's Doberman lunged at one of them. The officers

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<v Speaker 2>shot and killed the dog. The article about the show's

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<v Speaker 2>debut quotes the public access manager for the cable company

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<v Speaker 2>saying we don't establish the guidelines. The city does. A

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<v Speaker 2>representative from another cable company said they hadn't been approached

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<v Speaker 2>yet by Metzger, but if asked, they probably would air

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<v Speaker 2>the program, saying if we say no to the clan,

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<v Speaker 2>then pretty soon we're saying no to another group. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they did have to air it. In nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cable Communications Act, written by Barry Goldwater, was passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Among other things, the bill barred cable operators from exercising

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<v Speaker 2>editorial control over the content aired on public access channels,

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<v Speaker 2>and it absolved the cable company of any liability for

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<v Speaker 2>the content aired on those non commercial, public, educational, and

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<v Speaker 2>government access chains as long as the show wasn't criminal

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't violate basic standards of what's allowed on television.

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<v Speaker 2>The cable company was prohibited by law from refusing to

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<v Speaker 2>air the show just because it was racist. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there were episodes that a determined lawyer could have

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<v Speaker 2>fought to keep off the air as defamatory or incitement

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<v Speaker 2>to violence or something. But what incentive was there for

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<v Speaker 2>them to try. If they lost a fight like that,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd have to pay the racist for his trouble. But

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<v Speaker 2>if they aired it, no matter how bad it was,

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<v Speaker 2>they were completely shielded from liability. In articles about the

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<v Speaker 2>resulting public outcry, cable executives said, our hands are tied.

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<v Speaker 2>The director of Community Programming said when people called her

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<v Speaker 2>office to complain about Metzger's show, all she could do

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<v Speaker 2>was tell them that they would have to complain to

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<v Speaker 2>Metzker personally, and within months he made good on his promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Race and Reason was on public access channels and a

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<v Speaker 2>growing number of cities. In many communities, the public access

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<v Speaker 2>television program requires that local public access programming actually be local,

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<v Speaker 2>so he couldn't just mail these tapes to studios across

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<v Speaker 2>the country and expect them to air. To get around

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<v Speaker 2>this requirement, Metzger sold tapes of Race and Reason on

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<v Speaker 2>the back cover of every issue of his White aryan

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<v Speaker 2>resistance newsletter. Subscribers around the country could mail Metzger a

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<v Speaker 2>check for thirty five dollars and receive a VHS copy

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<v Speaker 2>of the show in the mail. By nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd sweetened the deal. Any four episodes of Race and

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<v Speaker 2>Reason could be bundled together for just thirty nine ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five And that's in nineteen eighty nine dollars. Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a wild amount of money to pay for a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minute tape of some guy saying slurs. But once

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<v Speaker 2>you you had the tape, you could sponsor the show

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<v Speaker 2>on your own local public access channel. With this piecemeal

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<v Speaker 2>distribution system, it's hard to nail down how many episodes

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<v Speaker 2>ever existed and what order they aired in The episodes

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that aired in any given city depended on which PHS

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<v Speaker 2>tapes your local racist bought out of a Nazi catalog

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and even in his own home market. A TV guide

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<v Speaker 2>printed in November nineteen eighty five notes Metzker's program under

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<v Speaker 2>the public access offerings, but it's listed as quote airs infrequently.

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<v Speaker 2>A nineteen eighty six article in the Korvalis Gazette Times

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<v Speaker 2>says a local resident had been hand delivering a new

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<v Speaker 2>cassette to the station three times per week. The station

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<v Speaker 2>declined to publicly name the program sponsor, but it came

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<v Speaker 2>out anyway. Richard Masker had recently settled a lawsuit against

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Corvalis regarding his termination from the water

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<v Speaker 2>treatment plant nineteen eighty three. He felt that he'd been

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<v Speaker 2>discriminated against. They felt it was not appropriate for him

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to have mailed Jewish residents of Cravallis cards on Hitler's

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>birthday that read, may his memory refresh your soul and

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>give you inspiration. Hyle Hitler. Articles about his firing make

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<v Speaker 2>a passing mention of the fact that the police closed

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<v Speaker 2>down the entire water treatment plant for several days after

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<v Speaker 2>he was let go, but they don't offer any explanation

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 2>for that. Masker pops up in some strange places later

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<v Speaker 2>on in his life, But this isn't a story about

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>guys who keep getting fired from water treatment plants. So

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>suffice it to say he did what many Nazis do

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>and move to Idaho. The first few episodes of Race

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and Reason were filmed in Metzger's home, but as the

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<v Speaker 2>show evolved, the production quality began to improve. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six, he was using the public Access TV studio

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<v Speaker 2>at California State University. A student who worked in the

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<v Speaker 2>studio said he was so offended by the content that

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<v Speaker 2>he walked off the job. Students protest at Metzger's presence

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>on campus, but university president Jewel Plummer Cobb said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we should not stop it, regardless of how I may

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>feel about the content. The strength of America as the

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<v Speaker 2>first Amendment. The protests eventually forced Metzger off campus and

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<v Speaker 2>into a private studio. On the heels of the student

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>protests in California, officials in Spokane, Washington initially declined to

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<v Speaker 2>run an episode of Race and Reason featuring Ben Clausen,

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<v Speaker 2>the founder of the Nazi religion the Church of the Creator,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and the man who invented the term rahoa, a popular

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>shortened form of the phrase racial holy War. In July

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty seven, there were protests outside the Viacom

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<v Speaker 2>offices in Dublin, California, after a station agreed to run

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 2>tapes of Race and Reason that had been hand delivered

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>by a clansman named Clinton SIPs. A week later, Sipes

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 2>was arrested for handing out clan literature while wearing his

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.479
<v Speaker 2>clan robes because the conditions of his parole for a

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 2>clan related armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>prevented him from associating with the clan. Sipes later renounced

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>his views, founded a nonprofit to help young people leave

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>hate groups, and converted to Islam. By the end of

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven, Metzger had been producing Race and Reason

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 2>for three years. It was airing intermittently around the country

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>in as many as fifty different cities. One particularly controversial

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 2>episode that year featured J. B. Stoner. Stoner was no

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<v Speaker 2>stranger to controversy. The FCC had to intervene to force

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>television stations to air his campaign ads when he ran

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.239
<v Speaker 2>for Senate in nineteen seventy two. He's one of the

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>most unapologetically vicious racists you'll find in twentieth century politics,

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and he ran for office repeatedly making public pronouncements like

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>being Jewish should be punishable by death, and black people

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>are more closely related to apes than humans. He was

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>so publicly vitriolic that even his fellow Nazis thought he

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>might be a government plant to make them all look bad.

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>But he was just like that, and he's stayed like

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<v Speaker 2>that until he died. In one of his last public

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>statements before the stroke that killed him, he said, a

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 2>person isn't supposed to apologize for being right. He was

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>convicted in nineteen eighty for a nineteen fifty eight bombing

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>of the Bethel Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama. He was

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>never prosecuted for at least a dozen other bombings of

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<v Speaker 2>synagogues and black churches he'd carried out in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>and he ended up serving just three years in prison.

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>His appearance on Metzger's show was filmed not long after

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<v Speaker 2>his release and was apparently just thirty minutes of the

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>most unhinged ranting about AIDS that you can imagine, because

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<v Speaker 2>by nineteen eighty seven, Stoner was leading a group that

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<v Speaker 2>he called the crusade against corruption. He said that white

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>people should celebrate AIDS because it had been sent to

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>rescue the white race from black people, Jews, and homosexuals,

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 2>although he typically used words, I won't say that nineteen

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven episode with JB. Stoner on Metzger's show is gone.

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>As far as I can tell, I did find maybe

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty or thirty episodes floating around in the ether, but

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 2>this isn't one of them, and that's probably for the best,

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>based on reporting about the battle over airing it in Idaho,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>though I can match portions of what was said in

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the episode to his speech that Stoner gave at the

0:30:55.680 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Arian Nation's compound around the same time. Now, I love

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a primary source. I go to great lengths to locate

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>archival footage, and I think it really adds some texture

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to the show for you to hear some of these

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>men in their own words sometimes. But this, this is

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>not something I can play. I couldn't find a single

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>ten second stretch without a word that I'm not going

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to be responsible for broadcasting. That old man was using

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>slurs at a truly unprecedented rate. One of the only

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>full phrases without a slur in It sums up what

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you need to know.

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that Age is the greatest miracle that we've.

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Had him about.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen hundred years.

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>And this episode proved a bridge too far for the

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>cable provider in pocatelle Hoe. They'd been airing Race and

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Reason on local public access for a year, already sponsored

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>by Aryan Nations member Stan Sorenson. It was a sensitive

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>time in a place that has long been a hotbed

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of white supremacist activity. Richard Butler's Arian Nations compound was

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>in nearby Hayden Lake. In nineteen eighty six, the home

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 2>of Bill Wasmuth, a Catholic priest and the chairman of

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the Kote and Eye County Task Force on Human Rights,

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>had been firebombed in response to his outspoken opposition to

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>racism and antisemitism. The TV station didn't want to rock

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the boat. Honestly, they probably didn't want to die. But

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>this thirty minute frenzied rant from an elderly lunatic who

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>believed that Aids had been sent by God to kill

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>black people and to remind Aryan men that race mixing

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>is punishable by death. It was just too much. It

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>was too much. They didn't want to put this on TV,

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>so the television's conferred with their lawyers, and after a

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of consideration, the lawyers said it's a close call,

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>but nothing in the episode breaks the law. At the

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>next meeting of the Pocatello City Council, some residents felt

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the city should just cut all funding to Public Access

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>TV if that was the only way they could keep

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Race and Reason off the air. They couldn't say no

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to just one show, but they could end the Public

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Access TV program entirely for everyone. Members of Pocatello's Human

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Rights Advisory Council said they should call the racist bluff,

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>don't err it, let them sue, and the debate raged

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>in Pocatello. The show's producer, an enigmatic figure named Alexander Fox,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>spent days meeting with the Pocatello City Attorney, and ultimately

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>he agreed to back down. He wasn't willing to fight

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 2>for it. He withdrew the tape. Paper articles around this

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>time refer to Alexander Fox as an attorney and the

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>show's producer, but I'm not one hundred percent sure he exists.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Most of the episodes of the show I was able

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to find show a message at the end that Alexander

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Fox with an E on the end holds the copyright

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>for the show. That doesn't always mean much. People love

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to just put that symbol on things, but I figured

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I'll check. And the only entry in the US Copyright

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Office records for an Alexander Fox with an E on

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the end is a nineteen eighty one application to copyright

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>a cassette tape called sex Files, and that's phyl Ees

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>sex Files. Alexander Fox is listed as a pseudonym for

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>David C. Wiley, which coincidentally happens to be the name

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.280
<v Speaker 2>of the California man who often co hosted the show

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>with Metzger. Wiley was the applicant on the paperwork when

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 2>War applied for a permit to hold meetings in the

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 2>public park in Placentia, California, in nineteen eighty six, and

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>his name turns up in the documents that were recovered

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 2>by San Francisco police in nineteen ninety three when they

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:21.240
<v Speaker 2>investigated the ADL for spying on thousands of people. Mixed

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>in with dossier's on Arab Americans and anti apartheid activists,

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the ADL had also been keeping tabs on the Klan.

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>The police inventory of documents were covered in the search

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>lists Wiley's name on a page that includes items related

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to the ADL's monitoring of California skinhead groups. So I

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>wonder if Alexander Fox, attorney for Tom Metzger, didn't have

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the stomach for a legal fight over a segregationist's love

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>letter to AIDS because he wasn't a lawyer at all.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>But I guess we'll never know. David Wiley dyed in

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:05.919
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven. Pocatello called Metzger's bluff and they won.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>But one of the options they considered was one that

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 2>some cities chose. You can't say no to a Nazi,

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 2>so you cancel it for everybody, And in nineteen eighty eight,

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Kansas City, Missouri, did just that. They ended their entire

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 2>public access television program rather than air Metzger's show. A

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 2>group of klansmen had showed up at this studio with

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.399
<v Speaker 2>a tape of Race and Reason in hand, and they

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 2>were told that, oh, sorry, the rules are that you

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>have to actually produce your own show here. You can't

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 2>show the tape. But apparently there was no such rule

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>on the books, and the city wasn't allowed to invent

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>new rules to enact a content based restriction on the show. So,

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>faced with the possibility of becoming known as Klansas City,

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 2>something that appeared in almost all of the articles about this,

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>UNSEL voted to eliminate public Access TV altogether. But this

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>time the bluff cock called it wasn't the possibly fictional

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Alexander Fox who stepped in to represent the Missouri Knights

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Ku Klux Klan. Although local clansman Dennis Mayhon

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>did tell the newspaper that he was getting legal advice

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>from Fox. No, Mayhon's legal representation in this case came

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 2>from the ACLU, and after a federal judge denied the

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 2>city's motion to dismiss the suit, they ended up settling

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 2>out of court and voted to restore the public access channel.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>So in the end, after a year of push and pull,

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the Klan was on TV and the city had to

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>pay one hundred thousand dollars. I'm not sure if Dennis

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Mayhon ever did try his hand at making his own

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>public access show, but he is currently serving a forty

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>year sentence in federal prison for mailing a bomb to

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.240
<v Speaker 2>the Scottsville office of Diversity and Dialogue in two thousand

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and four. It's not at all relevant here to tell

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you that he ended up in prison because the FBI

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 2>sent an informant to seduce him into confessing, or that

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 2>among the feminine wiles she employed to woo him into

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>her confidence was a risque photo of herself in a

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>white bikini top with a hand grenade nestled between her breasts.

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 2>You didn't need to know that, but I know it,

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 2>and now you do too. People protested in Cincinnati, Chicago,

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Corpus Christi, Pocatello, Fullerton, and in cities across the country,

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 2>But for an entire decade, Tom Metzger's Race and Reason

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>aired on public access television. Not even the lawsuit that

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 2>all but destroyed White Area and Resistance could stop production

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>of Race and Reason. In nineteen ninety, a Portland jury

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 2>agreed that Metzger was liable for inciting war members to

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:16.439
<v Speaker 2>commit acts of violence against minorities, specifically in the death

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 2>of Mulagettas Arrah, an Ethiopian college student murdered by war

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.840
<v Speaker 2>members in nineteen eighty eight. Metzger lost his house, but

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>he kept making the show, if only intermittently. In nineteen

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, Metzger interviewed James Mason about the recent release

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of his book Siege, the book that remains to this

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.240
<v Speaker 2>day the white terrorist's handbook.

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 1>And at this point you've moved away from the mass strategy,

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>totally concentrating on the revolutionary struggle.

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 3>What few potential revolutionaries we had left out of the

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 3>old movement were my targets for this propaganda that I

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 3>included in the original Sea Monthly publication.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>But Tom Metzger wasn't the only racist who understood the

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>power of this tool he'd figured out how to use.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Dozens of his followers dutifully ordered copies of VHS tapes

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to broadcast Metzger's Race and Reason on their own local channels,

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 2>But some supporters took it a step further. They didn't

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 2>just copy the tapes, they copied the model and made

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>their own shows. Looking back for a moment to Pocatello.

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 2>The first episode of Race and Reason that aired in Pocatella, Idaho,

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 2>a year before the controversy with JB. Stoner and his

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm for racial cleansing through HIV took me by surprise.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 2>It's the only episode of Metzger's original run of the

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 2>show that didn't feature Metzger at all. The guest host

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 2>in the episode that aired in Pocatello, Idaho in nineteen

0:40:54.120 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 2>eighty six was Roy Frankhauser. Roy Frankause, the Klansman from Pennsylvania,

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.479
<v Speaker 2>the same Roy Frankhauser that formed a clan splinter group

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>in western Pennsylvania in the early nineties and found himself

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>at odds with Keystone Knights Grand Dragon Barry Black. That

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Roy Frankauser. If you missed the episodes I did in

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 2>October about Barry Black, this means nothing to you, but

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised to see Roy again. What a small world.

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 2>On Race and Reason. Frankhauser was interviewing Richard Barrett, a

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Mississippi attorney who led a white supremacist group called the

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Nationalist Movement. Frankauser would go on to host his own

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:39.720
<v Speaker 2>shows on Public Access TV in Pennsylvania, one called White

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Forum and one called Roy Frankhauser Presents Race and Reason,

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>though it's unclear from the newspaper articles if that was

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 2>actually an original show hosted by frank Hauser or if

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.240
<v Speaker 2>he just sort of popped his name onto the Metzger

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>reruns that he was sponsoring. I couldn't find any episodes.

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess if you have episodes of racist public access

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>TV from reading Pennsylvania in the early nineties, I do

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 2>want to see them, Please email them to me. And

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>that Mississippi attorney that he was interviewing on that episode

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>also went on to host his own show called Airlink,

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>which was broadcast in as many as sixty cities at

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 2>its height in the nineties. Richard Barrett unsuccessfully sued the

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>city of Houston in nineteen ninety nine over their policy

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of charging one hundred dollars per hour for public access

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>broadcasts that were produced outside the Houston area. Barrett was

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 2>murdered in twenty ten by his neighbor, a young black man,

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>who claimed Barrett dropped his pants and demanded a sex

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>act from him. I'm not a huge fan of what

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>sounds a little bit like a gay panic defense. I'll

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>love that. Not weighing in on the killer's motivations here,

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>but it may have happened. Barrett had long been rumored

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to be gay, and after his death, fellow Nazi Don

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Black said Barrett was quote an obvious old queen. Ask

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>anyone who ever met him and former National Alliance member

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 2>and longtime David Duke Lackey Ron Doggett had a similar

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>public access program in Richmond, Virginia, all through the nineties.

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 2>His was called Race and Reality, but it was indistinguishable

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 2>from Metzger's Race and Reason. In the mid eighties, doctor

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Herbert Poinsett was one of many of Metzger's fans around

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the country who was dutifully taking VHS tapes of Metzger's

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>show to his local TV station each week. But by

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty eight he'd made several guest appearances on the show,

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and within a year he'd produced more than forty episodes

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>of his own weekly show, also called Race and Reason,

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>broadcast on public Access TV in Tampa. When his name

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 2>first appeared in the paper as the local crank broadcasting

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Metzker's show in Atlanta, he told the Atlanta Constitution that

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 2>he had quote no clan ties whatsoever, And I guess

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that's probably true. It's probably technically true. I can't find

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.799
<v Speaker 2>any evidence that Herbert Pointsett was ever in the Ku

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Klux Klan, but he was absolutely a Nazi. There's really

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about that. His name appears in passing In

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>some of the personal writings of Ben Klassen, the founder

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of the Church of the Creator, he seems to have

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>been a personal friend of Classen's in the early eighties

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 2>before he moved his Nazi church from Florida up to

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. And remember, maybe half an hour ago or so,

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>when I told you to put a pin in herb.

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 2>He was the headline speaker at the nineteen eighty four

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 2>annual convention for William Luther Pierce's National Alliance. There's a

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 2>lovely photo in an issue of the National Alliance bulletin

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that shows Pointset next to an ecstatic looking Kevin Alfred Strom.

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Strome is just beaming. He's holding up a

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 2>copy of The Best of Attack. It was a compilation

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of the National Alliance newspaper from the seventies that Strome

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 2>had just finished editing. But even if I didn't have

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>this photo of Herbert Poinsett looking a little uncomfortable sitting

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>next to Kevin Strome, I'd still know beyond a shadow

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.360
<v Speaker 2>of doubt that he was a National Alliance member of

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 2>some importance, someone that William Luther Pierce placed a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of trust in that photo of Poinset. In Strome

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<v Speaker 2>was taken some time over Labor Day weekend in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four. William Luther Pierce had received that paper bag

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<v Speaker 2>full of cash from Robert Matthews just a few weeks earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was at this meeting in Arlington that Pierce

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<v Speaker 2>announced to his followers that he finally had enough money

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<v Speaker 2>to purchase that three hundred and sixty four acre plot

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<v Speaker 2>in Hillsboro, West Virginia. In October. He paid ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand dollars, all in cash for the property. Pierce

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<v Speaker 2>maintained until his death that he had not received any

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<v Speaker 2>of the proceeds from the Order's robberies, but his own

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<v Speaker 2>son notes in his memoir that there isn't really any

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<v Speaker 2>other explanation for his sudden ability to afford the land.

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<v Speaker 2>But William Luther Pierce made another big purchase in the

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<v Speaker 2>mid eighties. For a man who kept his guns buried

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<v Speaker 2>underground so the government wouldn't know he had them, a

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<v Speaker 2>stock portfolio wasn't really his style, even if he had

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<v Speaker 2>money to invest, which by all accounts, he did not.

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Investing in the system that he spent his life railing

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<v Speaker 2>against really doesn't seem like him. But in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 2>he purchased one hundred shares of stock in AT and T,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would have cost him over ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>In April of nineteen eighty eight, William Luther Pierce sent

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<v Speaker 2>Herbert Poinset to represent his Neo Nazi organization at the

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<v Speaker 2>annual AT and T shareholders meeting. As a shareholder, National

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<v Speaker 2>Alliance could submit a proposal to be considered by all

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<v Speaker 2>the other shareholders at the meeting. It used to be

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone owning even a single share of a company

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<v Speaker 2>stock could submit a proposal like this, but the rules

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<v Speaker 2>changed in the eighties, and that probably explains the size

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<v Speaker 2>of Pearce's purchase and the fact that he sat on

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<v Speaker 2>it for two years. You have to own a certain

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<v Speaker 2>amount of stock and for a certain amount of time

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 2>before you're allowed to submit proposals. So they made the

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<v Speaker 2>buy and they sat on their investment until the time came.

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<v Speaker 2>The nineteen eighty eight shareholders meeting was on April twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler's birthday. That had to be a good omen because

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to make AT and T end its

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<v Speaker 2>affirmative Action program. When National Alliance submitted their proposal, ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of the April twentieth, nineteen eighty eight shareholders meeting, AT

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<v Speaker 2>and T sought to have it excluded, but two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of the meeting, the Securities and Exchange Commission denied

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<v Speaker 2>the request. The Nazi proposal was going in the proxy statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I can only find AT and T annual proxy statements

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<v Speaker 2>going back thirty years in the SEC's online database, so

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately I don't have the original document that was presented

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to the shareholders what. According to reporting at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>every AT and T shareholder was presented with a statement

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:33.239
<v Speaker 2>that argued that black workers were intellectually inferior and that

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<v Speaker 2>hiring minorities had a negative impact on white workers. Chairman

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<v Speaker 2>of the board Robert Allen denounced the proposal during the meeting, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>as a shareholder of a sufficient number of AT and

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<v Speaker 2>T shares, this organization has a right to offer a

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 2>share owner proposal, but we find the intent and wording

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of this proposal highly objectionable. Especially objectionable is the argument

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that some of our employees, because of their race, are

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>less qualified than other. This proposal is completely contrary to

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<v Speaker 2>the policies, the culture, and the character of AT and T.

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<v Speaker 2>It is in the proxy only because we could not

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<v Speaker 2>convince the Securities and Exchange Commission to allow us to

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<v Speaker 2>drop it. Okay, nice words, Robert Allen, but he followed

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<v Speaker 2>that up by also encouraging shareholders to vote against a

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 2>competing proposal brought by a black AT and T executive

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>named Alex Tillman, who was asking AT and T to

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<v Speaker 2>expand the company's commitment to promoting more women in minorities.

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<v Speaker 2>Both proposals failed. AT and T shareholders were ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>percent against ending affirmative action and ninety four percent against

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<v Speaker 2>expanding it. After the meeting, Pointsett told reporters, we lost

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<v Speaker 2>one battle, but the war has just started. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to get the vast majority of white people in this

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<v Speaker 2>country to wake up to see that they are being

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<v Speaker 2>displaced by people who shouldn't be taken over their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Tillman and National Alliance submitted their proposals again at

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty nine shareholders meeting. This time, the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>got just eight point one percent support, down from eight

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:12.799
<v Speaker 2>point six the year before, and Tilman's proposal for more

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 2>diversity garnered support from just four percent of shareholders, down

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>from six the year before. With so little support. Tilman

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<v Speaker 2>was not allowed to submit the proposal again in nineteen ninety,

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 2>but National Alliance did. National Alliance submitted the proposal for

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:34.239
<v Speaker 2>a third time in nineteen ninety, this time getting eight

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<v Speaker 2>point eight percent of shareholders to agree that the company

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 2>should end its affirmative action program. So the third time

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 2>they tried it, they got the most votes in favor.

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's still not a high number, but the

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<v Speaker 2>number was going up if they tried it a fourth time.

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Though I couldn't find it. Herbert Pointsett kept broadcasting Race

0:50:56.800 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and Reason from Tampa through the mid nineties. I can

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<v Speaker 2>only find a handful of episodes. I think he ended

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>up producing more episodes of the show than Metzger ever did,

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't as famous, so very few of them

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 2>have survived. Most of the ones that can still be

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 2>found show point Set wearing a suit, talking straight into

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the camera, and sitting in front of a wall covered

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>by two flags side by side, Confederate flag and a

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Nazi flag. Daniel Ruth, a journalist who appears to still

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 2>be writing for the Tampa Bay Times, routinely tore into

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>point Set and his column in the nineties. One column

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety three bears the headline third Rate Third

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Reich Cable Show. Another column waxes poetic about the quote

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 2>delusional ramblings of local Nazi chiropractor and cable access carbuncle

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Herb point Set. Herbert Pointset disappears from the record by

0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the late nineties, and he died in two thousand and three.

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:03.879
<v Speaker 2>He spent the last two decades of his life trying

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>to get famous for being racist. But I'd never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of him at all until I started poking around William

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Muther Pierce's finances, which is where I started. All of

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.680
<v Speaker 2>this was just an accident because I got distracted wondering

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>about where all that money went. I really did start

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 2>off trying to write about the bank robberies and the murders.

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 2>But looking back now, I think the money spent on

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 2>years of loud public propaganda had a far greater and

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 2>longer lasting impact than ten times the amount of money

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>spent on guns, because the government would end up taking

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 2>most of the guns purchased with the stolen money. But

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>propagandists like Tom Metzger kept Robert Matthews's dream alive, telling

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.879
<v Speaker 2>a generation of racists that it was time for War.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

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<v Speaker 2>and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conger.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. The

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<v Speaker 2>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The

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<v Speaker 2>theme music was composed by Brad Dickard. You can email

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<v Speaker 2>I will definitely read it, but I almost certainly will

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<v Speaker 2>not answer it. It's nothing personal. I don't answer any

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't post anything that's going to make you one

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