1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: What's up? 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: Everybody's LeVar Arrington here. We got the great coach urban 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: Meyer coming on. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: With us today. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Man, he had some powerful things to say about nil. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: He has some things to say about how he. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Believes in his players and that where that ranks in 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: terms of making decisions on do you move on from them? 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Do you keep trying with them? How many chances do 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: they get? We talked about his beginnings, we talked about 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: his shortcomings, We talked about so many different things. The 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: perspective of coach urban Meyer is unparalleled, and you're going 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: to get it wrong and uncut right now on good 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: in the game with LeVar Arrington, National Football Foundation. Here 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: we go and in three two one, let's run it 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: all right. A winning percentage of eighty five. That is 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: phenomenal in itself when you take into consideration there are 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: three national titles that are connected to that. What an 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: amazing coaching resume, all the way from well coaching where 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: he's from in Ohio, to making it down to the swamp, 21 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: to hitting well was in Utah, then hit the swamp, 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: then head back to the horseshoe. You won in so 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: many different places. Of course, if you're listening to what 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, I'm talking about coach Urban Meyer, 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: one of the greatest to ever do it, and newly 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: inductee into the College Football Hall of Fame. First and 27 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: foremost congratulation on your induction. Obviously, probably we should say 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: long overdue for that honor and that distinction, but congratulations nonetheless, 29 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: and well you're on the National Football Foundation. Good in 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: the Game podcast, So appreciate you making some time for us. 31 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: Coach Lavari, I would like to see you and be 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: around you. You know, when I got the phone call, 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 3: it just all of a sudden, you just shift into 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: reflection mode. And I was a guy that you know, 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: a lot of kids when you're young, you know, what 36 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: are you going to be. I'm gonna be a teacher. 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a doctor. I'm be a lawyer. I'm 38 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: gonna I just knew I wanted to play the game 39 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: as long as I could, and then I wanted to coach. 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: I just and then it was only reinforced through my 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: career that I had the greatest high school coach i'd been. 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 3: I think over nine hundred high schools in my career 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: just visiting, and there are some great ones out there. 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: But I look back at my high school coaching and baseball, 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: basketball and football, and it's reason I coached. And then 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: I went to Ohio State, Whatody Hayes was still alive, 47 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: and Earl Bruce became a mentor, and then Lou Holtz, 48 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: and I'm a blessed guy man, and I've been surrounded 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: by the best. And then you look back now and 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: shoot some A lot of my players are still playing 51 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: in the NFL and some best players in the NFL, 52 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: and then coaches went on to be head coaches. So 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: I'm a fortunate guy man. 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: And you left the legacy a lasting legacy. Obviously, your 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: successor is playing in the National Championship game. He has 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: had Ryan Day, of course, has had some tremendous success, 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of that would have to 58 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: do with the infrastructure and the standard that was created 59 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: by yourself when you were there. 60 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Give me a feel. 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: On how you're looking at this National title game between 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: Ohio State and Notre Dame. 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: I think the legacy piece is so important in the 65 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: succession plan, and Bob's Ooops is the first one to 66 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: do it. And Bob coach Oops is a dear friend 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: of mine. And I remember when he named Lincoln Riley 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: because I had a target of fifty five years old. 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: You know, I I didn't want to do this forever, 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: you know, I just sew one of those people that 71 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: I'm a maniac. I never took a day off, and 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: it was first thing until you wake up, until you 73 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: go to bed, and thinking of ways to win games 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: and making sure players are successful. And you know, I'm 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: not like a lot of guys. I didn't want to 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: do this forever, you know, I wanted to go live 77 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: my life. So I hired Ryan Day. He was a 78 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: guy that is an elite and everything he did, first 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: of all acube football acumen is off the chart, but 80 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: just understanding people. Ohio State's a complicated place, as is 81 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: Penn State. Very political, very complicated, gigantic spot. And when 82 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: I came across, I went to Jean Smith and the 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: president and I said, we got our next coach here, 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: and they knew I was there's you know, I told 85 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: him I was honest with him that I was going 86 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: to be you know, only two years left, one year 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: left and then and then move on. I see this game, 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: LeVar Is, It's great for football. I love notre Dame. 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: I spent five or six years there as assistant coach 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: under Lou Holtz and Bob Baby. I got emotional when 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: I saw well those players because Notre Dame is a 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: very hard, unique spot. It's great spot. It's football paradise. 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: You know, there's seventy five hundred students. Seventy five hundred 94 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: students go to every game. You know, it's a I'm 95 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: a big academic guy. I grew up in that kind 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: of environment with my parents and my sisters, and academics 97 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: are a premium there. There's you know, the whole online 98 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: class stuff there. I never heard of that Notre Dame. 99 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: I don't imagine that's there. It's you go to class, 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: you work and get you great and football players don't 101 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: get treated different. And it's also when I did my 102 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: podcast The Triple Option the other day, I looked at 103 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: my phone. It was minus five wind show in South End, 104 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: oh So there's only a few people that you can 105 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 3: go recruit and to see them stand up after beating 106 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: Georgia and get interviewed. And now they're playing in Ohio State. 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: So it's going to be a great game. I think 108 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a close game. For a while, but 109 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: I think is just so talented LeVar that and and 110 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: Irish are dealing with some injuries. Love has banged up 111 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: the defense, got some injuries. I think they'll they'll they'll 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: win that game in the second half. 113 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think that's great. Great analysis. Obviously 114 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't be any better analysis from anyone else, knowing your 115 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: intimate connection to both programs, And you mentioned education, so 116 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: obviously I do this this podcast for the National Football 117 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: Foundation Good in the Game because I like to bring 118 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: out the stories and talk about the things surrounding football 119 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: that are good in the game, just because so many 120 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: times we hear so many horror stories, so many things 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: that fall in the negative realm of how things are discussed, 122 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: and we wanted to do something that was positive and 123 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: was uplifting towards anyone within the football community or people 124 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: who pay attention to goes on what goes on in 125 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: the football community. You mentioned education being a major part. 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: Now you you went to school for psychology, so you're 127 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: into the mental makeup of people and how they operate. 128 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: I actually took that as a major in school as well, 129 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: and did sociology as well. Also wanted to do rehab education. 130 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: That was something that was big in my family. My 131 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: mother did special ad education, and I wanted to kind 132 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: of follow on her footsteps, but to be a counselor 133 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: of sorts. So I wanted to understand how people work. 134 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: You did it? 135 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: What was your purpose for taking up psychology, because that's 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: not an easy major to have, That's not an easy 137 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: discipline to have. And you know, how did that play 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: a part in terms of good of the game. How 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: did academics play apart in your achievements and your accomplishments 140 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: within the game of football. 141 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: Well, if I was in charge of the Department of education, 142 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: I'd mandate psychology, I'd mandate fiscal responsibility, I'd mandate leadership 143 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: and communication. I think that there's no chance on what 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: you get through high school college without taking several courses 145 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: in those fields. That's real life. Because psychology, to me, 146 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: is a human behavior, human performance. How does this body 147 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: and mind work together and how do they adjust in 148 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: adapt environments? And I tell people I was in a 149 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: thirty eight year laboratory man. And because every person is different, 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: every player is different, every coach is different, every fan 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: base is different, and at the end of the day 152 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: coach is responsible, couch parent teacher. You know, how do 153 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: you get people to do the hard? You know, getting 154 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: people to do the easy is easy. I mean it's easy. 155 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: How do you get because we all know life is really, 156 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: really hard. And when I was in college, I tried everything. 157 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: I started off in broadcasting, I started off, and I 158 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: tried to be an architect, and you know, just with 159 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: the schedules in playing football and college, you weren't able 160 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: to do it. And then I came across psychology and 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: I used it every day of my career and I've 162 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: read books on it, I've studied it to this day. 163 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: I still I'm so intrigued. That's why I love our 164 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: men and women in the military too. I'm on two 165 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: foundation boards of the military because you talk about the 166 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: ultimate sacrifice and selflessness and how do you get people 167 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: to do the unthinkable. The psychology of the men and 168 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: women the soldiers is unbelievable when you really research it 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: in the leadership that's provided to those men and women 170 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: that serve our country. So I'm glad you asked that question. 171 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: I can see that in you. The psychology piece now 172 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: that I'm gonna I mean, you can have some good 173 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: conversations now brother about the psychology of player and the 174 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: father and good friends. So I'm glad you asked. 175 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: So the educational component of all those things you mentioned, 176 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: the leadership aspects of it, the qualities of it, understanding 177 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: the different you know, the different players, the different fan bases, 178 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: all those things that you're discussing. You've been able to 179 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: navigate in a way where, for one, what's interesting about 180 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: you is you've done it your way, and doing it 181 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: your way sometimes that brings maybe people that are detractors, 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: and it's never seemed to be anything that has ever, 183 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, deterred you from being who Coach urban Meyer is. 184 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: And I always thought that I found it to. 185 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 2: Be very, very intriguing while covering you because people, you know, 186 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: there was a time where it's like man like I 187 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: don't know, Like you had guys like Coach Belichick and 188 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: how he is. You had guys like Coach Shaban and 189 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: how he is, and then there's Coach Urban and how 190 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: he is. And you guys have very distinct traits and 191 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: how you handle things, and everybody is in fans of 192 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: how you guys handle things. But I would assume your 193 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: background in psychology and your education being connected to how 194 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: you approach things played a major part, and how you 195 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: internalized or how you kept the noise out and was 196 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: able to communicate concisely what your what your message was, 197 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: and what your core principles and values were to each 198 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: and one, each one of your coaching stats, to each 199 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: one of your players, and ultimately to the communities that 200 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: you were coaching in as well. 201 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I always approached that I work for the players. 202 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's a three to four year window from 203 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: a guy and the way I was coached and the 204 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: way I was brought up that you know, I we 205 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: operated the you. 206 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 4: Know love, you know, and love is not soft. Love 207 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: is actually really hard. You know. 208 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: I just raised three children and now we got six grandchildren, 209 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: and you know, studying standards and demanding your family lives 210 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: up to those standards, that's. 211 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: Really difficult at times. And I could care less. 212 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: And to this day, I still what some guy says 213 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: behind a microphone, I look at first. I sometimes I 214 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: hear it and I'll look and I'll say, that guy, 215 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 3: who's this guy to talking here? And he's never played 216 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: it down, He's never been in a huddle, he's never 217 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 3: but they you know they're the shock jocks. 218 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 4: They're going to say, so I never really let it, 219 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: you know. 220 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: I remember at Florida one of the concerns people had 221 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: about me is I had some players, and for a 222 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: lot of reasons, it was I don't want to get 223 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: into the reasons why the players will tell you, but 224 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: we have some guys get do some stupid things and. 225 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: We handled it. 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: And I would give guys second and third chances, and 227 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 3: here I am sixty years old, I'd give them a 228 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: hundred chances. 229 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: I'm not getting I don't get rid of people. I don't. 230 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: I did that a couple of times. It didn't turn 231 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: out well for that player, just like I'm not going 232 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: to get rid of my son. So when someone has 233 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: a problem with that, I'm okay. I mean I don't. 234 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't work for you. I don't could care. I 235 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: don't care. I would put my players over the press 236 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: and in the ad. You know, if it had to 237 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: make a decision, and I had to a couple of 238 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: times make a decision between a player and what my 239 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: boss says, I'm going with the player because that player 240 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: is more important to me than you know. I recruited 241 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 3: that player, and so I it's funny that you hear 242 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: saving and you know Coach Belichick as well, and you know, 243 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: I guess you're very comfortable in your skin and. 244 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: It is what it is. 245 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: You know, we have an excellent track record of putting 246 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: guys in life after a sport, and that means jobs introduced, 247 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: preparational like your former coach did, who was a dear 248 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: friend of mine. 249 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 4: But I think I think we're coming back. 250 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: Societies will come in a little bit back now that 251 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: who cares what people? You got to be you, and 252 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: it came about you. It's got to be about your players, 253 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: the people you serve. I do not serve anyone behind 254 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: a microphone. 255 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: I don't do that. 256 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: I serve my family and I serve my players. And 257 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 3: if someone has a problem, I'm first of all, I 258 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: don't I'm not a not on social media. I almost 259 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: said a bad word. I could care less. Hey, I 260 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 3: care about educating, you know what. I'm a big believer 261 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: and I hope this is a good thing for NFF. 262 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: Two is that I'm hoping with this new era of football, 263 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: which is great, a lot of there's a lot of 264 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: things are great. I just don't want to lose that 265 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: education piece, because I've done this a long time, LeVar, 266 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: and you want to solve all problems, get a really 267 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: good education, get some experience. 268 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: You're good. 269 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: You know, even when you have a knee surgery and 270 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: you can't play football anymore, you're good. 271 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 4: And I hope that doesn't go away. 272 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: I love that, man, I love that message. 273 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: And I was going to ask you, what is your 274 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: involvement with the National Football Foundation. It kind of seems 275 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: like you touched on it, but if you want to 276 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: expand on it anymore, I know the Campbell Trophy, that 277 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: award is an amazing and unique award in the sense 278 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: that it rewards a baller, but it's a baller in 279 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: the classroom as well as on the field. And again, 280 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: just hearing your you know, your connection and understanding of 281 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: what education has represented for you and the players that 282 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: you have served. You know, if you want to expand 283 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: on a little bit more that that you're more to 284 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: welcome to. How does it feel in terms of getting 285 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: into the hollow ground and the walls of the College 286 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame? What does that mean to you? 287 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I'm a historian. I could go 288 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: back and since I was, you know, I probably eight 289 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: nine years old. I knew my career. I knew exactly 290 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. I wanted to play as 291 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: long as possible and then get into coaching. And I 292 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: just love that bony. So I'd been to the Hall 293 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: of Fame that used to be in South Bend when 294 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: I was coaching there and we'd go there for recruiting trips. 295 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: I'd go down by myself. Sometimes I'd go down and 296 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: just because you know, whether it be Joe Materno, Bobby 297 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: ballin bow, Shan Beck with W Hayes, Tom Osborn, all 298 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: the guys I grew up idolizing and then great names. 299 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: Getting great friends with all of them. 300 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: And then now that I'm going to be in Atlanta 301 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: at the Hall of Fame, I mean, it's it's beyond humbling. 302 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: And I just I always looked at reflecting as a 303 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: sign of weakness because you didn't have time looking backwards 304 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: when you're coaching, you didn't have time. Now I retired 305 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: with no desire to go back and just doing TV 306 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: and really enjoying my family. In life, is that I 307 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: can reflect and say, Mike gosh, it I have some 308 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: good players, Mike Gosh that I have some great assistant 309 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: coaches and went on to be head coaches, and so 310 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: I'm just very fortunate. 311 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: Would you do it again? 312 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: Would you go back into college? 313 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: No? No? No? Yeah? You no, I'm good. Good. I 314 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: like we were good? Yeah, i'd like you we good? 315 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: All right? 316 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: All right, you said, because you're one of the greats, 317 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: you still got something you coach. 318 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: That's why I just say that, you know. 319 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: Maybe you'll change your mind at some point, because there 320 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: are some guys out there that neet that second third 321 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: and one hundred chants. And with that being said, I'd 322 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: like to segue that into the idea and the question 323 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: of you're good, but there are. 324 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: Coaches that are still coaching. 325 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: What does it take to be a successful coach in 326 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: today's game? 327 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Because there are so many different moving parts? 328 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: Now, what would your advice be to a young coach 329 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: or a coach that's in the game right now, especially 330 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: at the college level. 331 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still dear friends with a lot of them, 332 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: and I'm almost like a counselor to some you know, 333 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: where I'm a sounding board and a lot of times 334 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: this is not this is crazy, and then there's so 335 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: much good to it, and let's send the hotspots. The 336 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: hotspots are the name and likeness, which I've always been 337 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: a proponent. You know, this is the United States of America. 338 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: If someone can make money, legitimate money out their name 339 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: and likeness, that's the foundation of our country. It's called capitalism. Sure, 340 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: I was dead Sentigran. So if you if you're a 341 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: great swimmer and you want to utilize your followers and 342 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: make apps, absolutely, I mean that's for the NCAA. 343 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: That was wrong. 344 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: But then what happened was it became't paid for playing. 345 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of that. You know, when boosters 346 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: throwing millions and millions of dollars and you pay a 347 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: seventeen year old through his agent, you know, whatever it is, 348 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: I know I'm not a fan of that at all. 349 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 3: So I nameing likeness is good. I think there needs 350 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: to be some guardrails, which I don't know what they 351 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: are right now. I don't think anyone does. The second 352 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: one is the transfer portal. I think for the graduate 353 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: student it was excellent. I little alarming now that you 354 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: see kids transferring four and five times, and that just 355 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 3: tells me academics are not important and someday that player 356 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: is not going to be able to run a four 357 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: to four anymore, and he's going to have to provide 358 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: for three children. 359 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: And there's only one way to do that. It's called 360 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 4: a job. Job, So I gotta show up. 361 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the number one thing you can see 362 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: is kind of a young man's game. Now. The coaching 363 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: staffs are getting younger and younger, which I agree with. 364 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: When I was, you know, the old krusty dude is, 365 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: you know it should be doing a podcast, which is 366 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: what I'm doing. 367 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: I don't know that I buy that. 368 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: I still think that there's a place for the wisdom 369 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: and the leadership that guys like urban Meyer bring to 370 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 2: the table. 371 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: It didn't almost happen. 372 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: Urban Meyer almost didn't happen because he was a baseball player. 373 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: He was a pretty good baseball player, ended up getting drafted. 374 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: What was what? 375 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: What? Like? 376 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: What went into that? 377 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 4: Like? 378 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: Give us some context because people may not know that 379 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: that you were a dope baseball player and it could 380 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: have easily ended up you being a skipper versus being 381 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: a coach. 382 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: What what helped you make the decision from one to 383 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: the other. 384 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 3: I was drafted as a junior as a as a 385 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: seventeen year old senior in high school, and uh, I 386 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: was a better baseball player than football player. But my 387 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: passion has always been the game of football. So I 388 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: went and played professional baseball, had an injury, was cut 389 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: after my second year by a guy named Hank Aaron 390 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: cut me. I still got his autograph. 391 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: He got an autograph. You remembered him. 392 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got his autograph and said you're unconditionally released. 393 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, when he cut me. And then. 394 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: But then I went on to become a graduate student 395 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: Ohio State, and that was my first taste of big 396 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: time college football. And I got a big break when 397 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: I went from I went to Illinois State and then 398 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: I went to Colorado State with coach o'bruce took me 399 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: from the guy that got fired at Ohio State, and 400 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 3: that was my career. 401 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: And I kind of, like I said LeVar, I was 402 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: lucky man. 403 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: I knew at a young age I wanted to coach 404 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: this great game. 405 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: Did you have a checklist of people like because just 406 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: getting to know you through the years, I feel like coach. 407 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer had a checklist the people that like I know. 408 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: There's a fun story about you calling coach Saban for 409 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: a job and he never got back to you. 410 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: Did you have a checklist of guys? 411 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: Check him off the list, check that program off the list, 412 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: check him off you know. I called it a kill list. 413 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: You know I'm a defensive guy. I called a kill list. 414 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: I had people I was checking them off my list. 415 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to get an Emitt Smith. I wanted to 416 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: get Jerome Bettist. I wanted to get Fred Taylor. I 417 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: had a real kill list. Quarterbacks, not so much, but 418 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: running backs. I had a list of running backs that 419 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to check off the list and put them 420 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: on my kill Did you have a did you have 421 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: a checklist? I will call a checklist for you. I 422 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: will call it a kill shee. Did you have a 423 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: checklist of people who maybe you you know, they didn't 424 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: treat you the right way, or maybe you didn't feel 425 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: like they believed in you, or you didn't get an opportunity. 426 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: I know you had one. You gotta have one. How 427 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: was that? How do you have any more checks left? 428 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: Or did you check them all off? 429 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: No? 430 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: Everyone has a checklist. You know, we're warriors. God created 431 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 3: man to be warrior, you know, And what's a warrior doing? 432 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: I've actually spoken corporate America a bunch of places. And 433 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: I always tell them that one of the things you're 434 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 3: missing is who's your enemy? Who? 435 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: Who? 436 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: Who's I mean, that's not that's the way when you 437 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: wake up every morning, what's your target? If you answer 438 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: the question, I don't have one, then you're probably not 439 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 3: grinding real hard. You know, in Ohio State we had 440 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 3: a very clear targets. The team up north, you know, 441 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: the wol Greens. That was our target. In every waking 442 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: moment you spend on trying to defeat that enemy. And 443 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 3: I whether you're a Navy seal, an Army ranger, a 444 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: Green Beret, or a football coach, or a middle or 445 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: an outside linebacker at Penn State, you need to have 446 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: a target. So of course I did. And I don't 447 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: know if I actually had a checklist, But you know 448 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: you don't. 449 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: Have a checklist. Coach, you had a checklist? Coach you did? 450 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I know you did. There were names, they were names. 451 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: You had names, coach, Sure, yeah you did. 452 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: I'm not going to share them with but short. 453 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: No, no, I don't want to to serum. I watch 454 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: it cerrum. I do not watch it at cerial. But 455 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: I just I like the fact that you were willing 456 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: to conferm it. You had your names, There had to 457 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: be names, and it had to feel really good. How 458 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: did it feel when you check them off? Like when 459 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: you check like there's a check. How did that feel? 460 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: It was kind of overwhelmed by the guys I wasn't 461 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: able to check off because there's a few on that 462 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: list that I just couldn't get. No, that was the 463 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: ones that keep you awake at night, you know, uh, 464 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: the one, not the ones you check off the list. 465 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: Great question, though, all. 466 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: Right, I'm not gonna hold you up much longer. 467 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 4: Listen. 468 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: There have been so many things that we can pinpoint 469 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: as positives and just amazing things that have had been 470 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: a part of your career. And you mentioned just how 471 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 2: much you loved your guys and how that played a 472 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 2: major part in the decisions that you made, and just 473 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: how much coaching meant to you talked about the idea 474 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: of the game getting younger for coaches now and innil 475 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 2: what would your advice be to the players, like just 476 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: to close out, because good in the game to me, 477 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: as it represents to the players is the understanding that 478 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: being the best you. 479 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: I always say. 480 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: For some reason, sometimes it gets confused the message of 481 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: being a great teammate and being a great player gets confused. 482 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: The thing. 483 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: You gotta find a healthy balance between being selfish and 484 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: being selfless. I told somebody the other day, I said, listen, 485 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: if you can't build yourself to being the best self, 486 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: then you don't have enough self to be self less. 487 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: You have no self to give the others to be 488 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: self less. What would your message be to players today? 489 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: Because that nil and name, image and all the stuff. 490 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: The agents coming out of the woodwork, and now they 491 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: can get you while you're even in youth football, not 492 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: just college. They can get you while you're in you 493 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: high school. There's a lot of moving parts now that 494 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: are added. What would your message be to today's athlete, 495 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: to today's football players. 496 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: It's been the same since day one. 497 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 3: I stand in front of a team and that is 498 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: what's your five year, ten year plan and fifteen year plan? 499 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: And the answer is yes, if we can help get 500 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: you there. You know, this is not immediate gratification. This 501 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: is you can't start tomorrow. That's not the way this 502 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: thing works. Maybe you can't. I mean, you know, God, 503 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: Perscy Harvin didn't have to sit the bench very long. 504 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that you have to you know, 505 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: it's a it's a method, it's a process, and keep 506 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: investing in yourself. And I would be so guarded right 507 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: now with all these agents. And are there good agents? 508 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: There's great agents, are there bad agents? There's awful ones 509 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: that are so invest in yourself. What the number one 510 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: investment to me is prepper is in academics? Is you know, 511 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: making sure that you can go function outside the framework 512 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: of a school. Well hostake gives that player everything. There's 513 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: nothing that player has to do other than work hard. 514 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 3: You know, the money, the dorm, the apartment, the food, 515 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: the all you know, you know what it is. It's 516 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: a thousand times better than when you playing. 517 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: So what is that? 518 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: If that was my son? What are you doing to 519 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: invest in yourself? Tell me about your internship. I don't 520 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: give a damn about if you're running the curl right 521 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: at fourteen or twelve, that's not important to me. Tell 522 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: me about the internship on your career choice once this 523 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: is done, because at some point now this is going 524 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: to be done and I don't want to look at it. 525 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 3: And I've had its horror horror stories to me to 526 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: this day, I still have players whether they're asking me 527 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: for money or they're saying what do I do? 528 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 4: I'm like, what do you do? We talked about this. 529 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 4: So that's my. 530 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: Biggest thing is the life after football component is the 531 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: ultimate responsibility of a coach, a teacher, a parent, not 532 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: not getting that square in at sixteen yards, yeah, but 533 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 3: making sure that young man has a suit, a jack 534 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: and a tie and he can walk into a boardroom 535 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 3: and say this is the reason you need to hire 536 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 3: me if you do that job out all right? 537 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 4: I lad I got one more coach. 538 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: Dion Standers is getting looked at for this this Cowboys job, 539 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: but he's done such an exceptional job at Colorado. If 540 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: you were giving coach Prime advice and maybe you have, 541 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: what would you tell him to do? 542 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: What do you think he should do? 543 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 4: You know, Dion has been a friend for a long time. Man. 544 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: We actually called me one time asking for advice about stuff, 545 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: and I went out to at Fox. We had him 546 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: for three games and so I called him. I said, 547 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: can I come visit practice? Because what is this Deon Sanders? 548 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: You know the golden necklaces, the you know, the whole 549 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: coach Prime sweatshirts he wearers and the sunglasses and the 550 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: hoodie and all that, and you know what I want. 551 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: I called all my boys at Big New and I said, boys, 552 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: this is legit. This is before the prime phenomena really happened. 553 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: I watched their practice. He you talk about a tough dude, 554 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: Now he don't play. He does not play that. I 555 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: saw two kids not hustling off the field one time, 556 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: and he interrupted our conversation. 557 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: I'll be right back. 558 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: He done cuss, but he went wild about discipline, about 559 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 3: doing things the right way. So I get uncomfortable sometimes. 560 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: I see the way he does it with all the 561 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 3: you know, the chador and the watches and all that, 562 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: and I think it's great TV. 563 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 4: But then when you go dig in. 564 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: I'm telling you there is a real substance. 565 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 4: LeVar. Look at look like, what kind of father that 566 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: guy is? 567 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: Oh? 568 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: Th kid? Those kids are awesome as they are. 569 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 3: I mean, that's all you gotta do is look at 570 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: your child and to say, is a good day. Absolutely, 571 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: And then you go really study him and watch him 572 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: speak to his team like I did, and go in 573 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: the player meetings and the coaches meetings. 574 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: I walked away and I said, this is legit. Man. 575 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: When he's done in Colorado's phenomenal. 576 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: You know, he the NFL thing didn't Obviously I didn't 577 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: do well, but he if he decides to, I know 578 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: he'll do well. 579 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: You think you will, I do. 580 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: I think it's the league is different, and you said 581 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: you didn't do well, but the league is very It's 582 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: I mean, who's doing well at Jacksonville? I mean, I'm 583 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: just let's just be let's call a spade a spade. 584 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: Culture is culture? Do you feel like it's harder to 585 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: create the culture in which you want to create at 586 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: that level versus in college Because to me, I felt 587 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 2: like I had a great, amazing college career as a player, 588 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: but I'm left to deal with the culture that I'm 589 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: drafted to and I didn't get drafted to a good 590 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: cultural situation. 591 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: And we didn't win. 592 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: You know, so that's got to be just as hard, 593 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: if not harder, for a coach to be able to 594 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: try to navigate those waters. And that's why I was 595 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: wondering from your perspective, if you're Dion, do you take 596 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: on that challenge because you can be an urban Myra 597 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: or a Deon Sanders, But if that ownership, if their 598 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: culture is not that of a healthy culture that's conducive 599 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: to success in that locker room and in that building. 600 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Jesus himself that came from 601 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: Nazareth to come coach that team, it's not going to work. 602 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great something day. I'll write a book 603 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 4: about it. I did. 604 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: I made some mistakes at Jacksonville, and but I also 605 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: I walked in and it was the culture is awful. 606 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: I mean it was terrible. It was they. 607 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: Weren't it was I would say in inner city bad. 608 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 4: High school is how bad the facilities were? Dang? 609 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: You know there were bugs, there were rodents, there was 610 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: you know, it was I remember going, wait, wait what 611 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: I never saw before I took a job and I 612 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: was like, Mike, wait a minute, what are we doing? 613 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: And I was the guy just pushing, pushing. And they 614 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: built a new facility. Now there's they had. They had 615 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: to do that. But how do you treat if you're 616 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: going to grind people and push people, how do you 617 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: not give them the very best of the best. You know, 618 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: our practices were very hard. We were Navy seals. We 619 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: were gonna at the end of the day. I wanted 620 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: them to sit down at the bench and go, wow, 621 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 3: we just we just banked a good day. But they 622 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: also knew they're getting ready to go to the best 623 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: food in the United States of America. They had the 624 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: best training staff and in the United States of America, 625 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: they also prehab rehab whatever they want. I would always 626 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: tell them the answers, yes, just tell me what you need, 627 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: and the answers, yes, you don't have to go pay 628 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: for yourself. We had guys going to pay for their own, 629 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: you know, massages in their own I'm like, wait, what 630 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: this is the what are we doing? 631 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 4: Right? 632 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: So, you know, and I have a probably a little 633 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: more forceful way of going after things. And it pissed 634 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: off a lot of people. And but that's okay. I'm 635 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm very comfortable now and move on. And but you're right, 636 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: it's I would say NFL is much. But I think 637 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: the Cowboys are a team of excellence. I know they've 638 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: had their I would imagine the Cowboys have the best 639 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: of the very best. You know, I came from Ohio State. 640 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: If you walk in the infrastructural house state, I'm biased, 641 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: there's no better. You can't walk into Ohio State and say, man, 642 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: I wish your your trainers did a little better job 643 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: because I'd look at you. 644 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 4: That's not true. The Olympics don't have better trainers than 645 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 4: we have. 646 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: We're the first team to have our own physical therapist, 647 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: own sports psychologists, own nutritionists. 648 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 4: We have all that way before all this, and so 649 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 4: our players. 650 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: If you're supposed to be one hundred and eighty six 651 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: pounds bench in three point fifty, then you're going to 652 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: be four. 653 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 4: You're going to be doing to be Yeah, that's deep. Coach. 654 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: Hey, listen, I appreciate your time. Everyone that's Coach urban Meyer. 655 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: Give it up for coach. Appreciate you coming on, making 656 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: some time. And this is why I do this show. 657 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: This is what's good in the game. To be able 658 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: to have the opportunity to hear the wisdom from someone 659 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: like you and to just be able to listen to 660 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: your experiences and what works and what makes it make sense. 661 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: Very honored, very humble, coach. I appreciate your time, and yeah, 662 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: keep it going. You do a great job. A big 663 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: fan of you on the big New Keep doing your thing. 664 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Love you, brother. 665 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, coach, all right, that was Coach urban Meyer. 666 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: You heard it here. 667 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: Man He has some real, real strong things to talk about. 668 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: What's good in the game. 669 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: Psychology, how does that play apart his major in college? 670 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: How did that play a part? And how he handled 671 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: his business as a coach. We talked about kill lit well, 672 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: I had to kill list, checklist, he said, warriors have checklist. 673 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: You got that right. 674 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: So many things that coach urban Meyer had to talk about. 675 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: Really really enjoyed it, and listen. We have those interviews 676 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: coming and coming and coming again. Make sure you're staying 677 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: locked in and tuned in to Good in the Game podcast. 678 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: Make sure you rate, subscribe, tell a friend about it, 679 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: all right, contribute listen because we are making sure we 680 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: bring to you the stories that matter the most from 681 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: the National Football Foundation's perspective of what's good in the game. 682 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm LeVar Arrington. This has been an excellent episode. Appreciate 683 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: you guys tuning in. Until next time, we'll talk to you.