WEBVTT - SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.080 The Indiana Dunes disappearance is one of the lesser known 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.640 cases in American true crime. One day in July nineteen 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.119 sixty six, three women went for a day at the 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.360 beach along Lake Michigan in northwest Indiana, not too far 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.840 from Chicago. They vanished that day, and no trace of 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.640 them has turned up since. It's one of our sadder 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.959 true crime episodes because not only are the women presumed dead, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.880 their families never got even a hint of resolution. Listen 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:28.639 to this one and see what you think happened. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.360 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of Iheartradios 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:40.240 How Stuff Works. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.680 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.600 Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Josh T guests producing away 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.239 over there, and that makes this Stuff you Should Know 0:00:53.120 --> 0:01:00.120 super duper mysterious mystery edition. That's right, this is a 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 super mysterious one. Super duper you could. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.080 Say, this is a good one. I never heard of it. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:05.839 I hadn't either. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.200 Maybe we should have a spin off show just about 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:11.800 mysteries and missing persons. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.560 I've long thought that. Yeah, oh yeah, but. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.760 Then everyone's like, just put him on Stuff you Should Know. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.840 Yeah, every once in a while, pepper it we. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.280 Gotta spin it out, right, spin it off? 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.440 They said? The Cleveland Show. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.120 Oh man, I never watched that was a good I 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.080 never watched it either. You weren't a Family Guy fan, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:30.480 that were you? 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.720 I mean it's fine, but no, I wasn't a fan. Yeah, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.440 all right. What about Laverne and Shirley? What is this 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:37.840 Laverne and Shirley. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:39.720 Spin off from Happy Days? 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:40.679 Right? That's rights? 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:40.880 Right? 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.560 Oh, let's do this. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.040 And Mork and Mindy spun off too? 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.640 Uh? What is this? Too Close for Comfort? 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.120 Was that as good off? 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.040 You got this man? 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.200 Too close for comfort? He wasn't. No, I don't know 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:55.760 what was it? 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:58.800 Oh no, I'm sorry. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.800 I was about to say, I don't think that's right. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.480 What is this the Ropers? 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.520 Oh? Well, sure, Freese Company? 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.120 Okay? 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:07.720 What is this? After match? 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.359 I thought? I thought Too Close for Comfort was a spinoff? 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:14.080 I think it might be. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.639 Well, my first guess was it was might have been 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.880 Ted Knight's character from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. But 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.160 that's not true because and too Close for Comfort he 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.560 was a cartoonist, that's right, remember, Yeah, And the only 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.200 thing I remember, well, I remember a lot about the 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.000 show because I loved it. I was in love with 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:31.960 those daughters. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.239 Man, I don't remember them. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.120 I mean that was the whole setup, is that their 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.840 daughters lived in the same house or next door or 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.760 something cause trouble. Yeah, you know, they were just a 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.079 couple of hell raisers, hell raising beauties. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.240 And who was the guy that was so great? 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.040 I think you're talking about Charles in Charge now. 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.280 I'm thinking of Too Close for Comfort. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.840 But he was a cartoonist and he would wear college 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.000 sweatshirts as part of his character. And he wore a 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.000 Georgia Bulldogs sweat shirt one time, and I. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.720 Was like, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.120 It's like, how did they know that that's a thing? 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.720 All Right? You're like, I'm basically on TV right now. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.959 That's what? Oh? Man Monroe? 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.480 That was him, the Monroe character, Jim J. Bullock, Ted Knight, Yeah, no, 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.160 Ted Knight was the lead. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.000 The main guy, Jim J. Bullock. Man, what was he? 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.119 Hollywood Squares? 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.760 Sure? Among other things like Too Close for Comfort? 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.720 Does does this kind of a tangent if we haven't 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.280 actually gotten started. This is a preamble, okay, preamble, Yeah, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:34.320 roughly done. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.680 Yeah, this is a good one. And you put this together? 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:39.720 Where'd you get most of the stuff? 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.960 Wrote it myself. Oh wow, there's one part that I 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:44.800 was like, here, this is just easier if I copy 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.000 and paste from a Chicago Tribune article from nineteen eighty seven. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:49.720 I read that one. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.280 It's very good, there's That's one of the things about 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.720 this case is anyone who kind of gets involved in this, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.800 we'll see there is not a lot of information out there. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.520 Yeah, and funny, And one of the biggest mysteries of 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.920 this whole thing is what kind of boat that was, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:05.560 which we'll get to. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:06.720 That was my bad. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.560 Well, no, man, I saw it in a couple of 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.640 other articles. It called this boat a trimaran, which is 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.480 very much a catamaran. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.680 Right, They made the same so they were just yes, okay, yeah, 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.200 because it's same thing. I saw a tryhold. I was like, oh, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.279 it's a tricat, which is a sailboat, and that's what 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.440 I thought it was. No, there's a trhold speed boat 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.800 called the runabout that was kind of big in the sixties. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.039 Well, more specifically, it's a tryholed run about. A runabout 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.080 doesn't necessarily mean it has three holes. Okay, but those 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.120 are my favorite boats in the world. Are these fifties 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:41.960 and sixties fiberglass runabouts. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.360 This is their amazing. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.400 Fifties and sixties runabout of all time. Yeah, with three holes. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.919 He thought one was crazy. Just get ready for three. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:58.760 So yeah, the boat will come up and I had 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.920 to mark out try cat just about seventy five places. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.440 I'm very sorry, it was yeah, my bad. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.200 So what we're talking about here finally now is the 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:15.280 disappearance of three young women in suburban Chicago in the 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.839 mid nineteen sixties at Indiana Dunes State Park on Lake Michigan. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.880 Yeah. Now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.359 National Lake Shore, but at the time it was a 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:30.640 state park. And this is Saturday, July second, nineteen sixty six. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:31.799 That's right. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.800 The three women there was a twenty one year old 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.760 named Patricia Blow. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.720 Yeah, I think so she went. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.960 She got in her car, which was an eleven year 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.280 old at this point, Buick Sedan nineteen fifty five. Buick 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.200 went to pick up her friends Anne Miller at her 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.040 house she lived with her folks, and then to her 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.160 other friend, Renee Brule, who was the only one who 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.880 was married, went to pick her up at her house. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.680 They were nineteen and twenty and they were. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:02.719 Like nineteen and twenty one. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.960 I think one on was twenty two at least nineteen 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:06.920 twenty and twenty. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.160 One, So was that right? Okay? 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.240 But those are nitpicky details. Sure, they were all late 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.239 teen's early twenties. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.520 And wait a minute, did you just call me nitpicky? 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.000 No? No, no, no, I think you did. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.760 No, okay, and has called me a liar on National 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.240 TV TV. I think you just did. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.640 Anne and Patricia were friends. They were horse riders, and 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.680 they were friends from these horse stables. But they were 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.600 all three buddies, not since grade school, but for the 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.240 last couple of years, it seems like, right. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.240 Yeah, And they all lived around Chicago, and that's where 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.680 they were traveling about sixty miles eighty miles I've seen 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.840 both to Indiana Dune State Park to just basically go 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.000 hang out on the beach. That day again, it was Saturday, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.440 it was the July fourth weekend. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.760 It was out it yeah, super crowded. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.799 They were just going to the beach to have some fun. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.560 Most people think they got to the beach by ten 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.280 am park. The buick hiked over the dunes on the 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.800 kind of rickety boardwalk over to the beach and set 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.440 up camp. I think about one hundred yards from shore. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.119 That's a pretty substantial beach. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:09.760 Wow. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.720 Either there, they hiked one hundred yards and set up 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.840 near the beach. It might be the ladder of the 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.040 two that sounds more right. And on this weekend again, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.480 because it was July fourth weekend, the beach was just 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.880 absolutely packed. And this is Lake Michigan, which is a 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.240 pretty big lake in this beach itself, for this park itself, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.680 I think it's like twenty six miles of shoreline or 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 something like that. But even still there's like nine thousand 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:33.920 people on the beach that weekend. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.040 Yeah, I saw nine to ten thousand people, four to 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.520 five thousand cars in the parking lots, and four to 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.080 six thousand boats in the water. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.200 So packed, just packed. It's like Jaws or. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.000 Something up in there, right Amity Island, fourth of July. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:55.480 So the Renee and and Patty set up shop, put 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.360 down their beach blanket, just kind of close by to 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.920 this teenage couple who are like their beach neighbors. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.920 You know, they mentioned everyone was pretty close. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:10.280 Sure, kind of she elbowed a jowl and that's called sure, okay, 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.080 and this this teenage couple kind of factor in big time, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.280 but just kind of note their presence for now. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:17.840 That's right. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:23.200 So about noon, Chuck, Well, actually, the teenage couple factor 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.040 in now. They noticed that the three women were waiting 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.920 into the water about noon, so I guess for about 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.640 two hours they were just kind of hanging out in 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.240 the sun and they got hot enough to go into 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.079 the water about noon. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.080 That's right. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.680 And that was the last time that this couple saw them. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:46.480 Maybe perhaps the day went on, they never came back. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.880 This teenage couple said that there's stuff still laying here. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.000 You know, they may be off partying somewhere. So you know, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.880 they didn't think like these three young ladies are missing 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.800 and perhaps murdered. 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.240 I think they were worried that their stuff might get stolen. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:03.720 Yeah, I think it was as innocent as that. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.720 Ye as a teenage couple. They were about to leave, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.280 and they didn't want to just leave it there. They 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.079 felt kind of somehow responsible for it, like you will. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.000 Yeah, which is what you did in nineteen sixty. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.600 Six or today still if you're a decent person, that's right. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.120 So they went to a ranger and they said, hey, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:21.040 these young women were here. They left their stuff. The 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.280 ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.120 just take care of this stuff and collect it and 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.560 so it doesn't get stolen. They're probably off partying. But 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 that was the last that anyone saw these three young women. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.280 No one to this day knows what happened. They vanished 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:39.000 literally without a trace. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.120 Yeah, there's never been any evidence of what happened to them, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:47.280 No trace of them, no, nothing, nothing. From that point on, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.040 I think we. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:53.280 Should take an earlier break because of that dumb long preamble. Okay, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.040 and this is a great little spot for a cliffhanger. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:26.360 Okay, so we'll be right back, okay, Chuck. So about 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.240 eighteen hours after that park ranger collected their things that 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.200 I'd say, around dusk, a call came into Indiana Dune 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.199 State Park ranger station and it was from Harold Blaw 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.920 or Blow Patty's father, and he wanted to know if 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.120 the rangers had seen his daughter because she had been 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.520 reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like you know, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:51.840 a few hours before. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.600 Yeah, So they went through her stuff, the rangers did. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.559 They found a set of car keys that had a 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:03.480 little minute Illinois license plate h that matched a license 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:03.880 plate in. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:04.480 The parking lot. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.240 Yeah, either a great coincidence where you could get those 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.000 custom made at some little beat shop, right, which is 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.920 probably what happened. So they find her car, they found 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.240 her buick there in the parking lot. Indiana State Police 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.560 say we're going to take over here because it's pretty 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.559 clear that this is a missing person's case. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.960 Yeah, And so they it was obvious that they had 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.480 they had never left the park, or at least they 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.199 hadn't left, you know, in the car, right, and they 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.360 left their car, they left their stuff. That's suddenly very 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.000 highly suspicious. The idea that they were just off partying 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.360 is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.840 Yeah, like left all their stuff like purses and personal stuff. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:47.560 We should we should talk a little bit about that. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.720 They left, Yeah, money in their wallets, they left their 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.000 transistor radio, they left their magazines open, they left their 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.240 suntan lotion. It seemed like the way they left their 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.640 stuff that they were planning on just getting into the 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.679 water and then coming back from the water. And then 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.360 that was that. There didn't seem to be any kind 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:12.160 of forethought to their stuff, and then the fact that 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.800 their car was still there and this was a full 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.720 day after they had last been seen. It was suspicious. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.720 So the like if they were going to party, they 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.080 would have said at least like, oh, let me grab 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:24.600 my purse. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.800 Right by now a night had come and gone, and 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.920 the next day it was already, you know, halfway done, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 and they there was nothing that they'd be a hell 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.680 of a party. Yes, So people started to get kind 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.800 of worried and they started to search the park and 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.360 they couldn't find them anywhere. And that's when the police 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.000 became involved, when it was obvious that they were no 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.760 longer in this park, even though they didn't seem to 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.600 have left, which means they just kind of vanished. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.920 Yeah, And they had a pretty big search party. They 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.360 had soldiers volunteering from a missile base. They had obviously 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.199 the sheriff, had the Civil Air Patrol get involved. I 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.480 think Patty's dad was a see A pilot. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.520 He was a colonel. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.480 He's a colonel in the Civil Air Patrol. Coast Guard 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:15.360 gets involved, dive teams, airplanes, helicopters. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.360 Sheriff's posse, and horseback. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.280 Yeah, like they had people combing this area. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.679 They went back to the nineteenth century to get people 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:22.240 to search. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.520 They searched about two hundred and fifty cabins in the area. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.079 They had a dune buggy trolling the seashore at night 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.160 seeing if bodies were washing the lake shore. Yea, bodies 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.160 were washing the shore like. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.000 It was a land, sea, and air search of this area, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.199 and it was a pretty extensive area. But it was 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:48.200 a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled today 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.640 against the whole thing is that they're two full days 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.400 passed before the search was mounted. This is July fifth, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.480 the first forty eight, first forty eight. Anybody who's ever 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.960 seen that show knows like those are the most critical 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.080 moments or the most critical hours in trying to solve 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.240 a case, because it gets colder and colder with every 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.600 hour that passes. Yeah, so that was a big thing. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.640 And one of the most startling things about this case 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.600 is that search turned up nothing. Yeah, no evidence of 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.200 what happened to them at all. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.000 Yeah. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.360 The first little clue that they found wasn't something they 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:29.320 found while searching, but inside Renee brules purse that she 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.440 had left behind, that was a letter that she had 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.000 written to her husband that was kind of like, I've 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.120 had it with you. All you do is work on 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.320 your hot rods and party with your friends, and I'm 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.640 kind of done, hinting that she wanted to leave the marriage. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.080 The cop, you know, obviously that's going to be a 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.000 suspicious kind of thing to find, say, yeah, go talk 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.080 to the husband. And they interviewed the husband and the family, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.320 and everyone seemed to agree, like, hey, things aren't perfect, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.400 but she probably wrote that letter when she was really upset. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.160 She didn't give it to me. Know, I might work 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.000 in my hot rods a little too much, but I 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.880 didn't kill my wife, and our marriages is fine overall. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.600 And and then the cops believed it. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.600 Her face well, her family backed that up too. Everyone, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.400 we don't have marital troubles. This seems like something Renee 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.920 would have done, and then just forgotten she even had 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.000 the note. So the cops cleared her husband of being 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.360 involved in any wrongdoing. But it raised a long standing 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.960 theory that's still around today that we'll talk about theories 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.760 later that possibly Renee ran off, and if Renee ran 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.800 off to kind of start a new life or whatever, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.360 maybe the other women had too. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.800 Maybe maybe so. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.320 Another interesting thing they learned Anne Miller was by all 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:46.400 accounts about three months pregnant and had talked to her friends. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.440 By some accounts, not all Yeah, like like her closest 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.320 friends had had said. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:52.360 She said she was pregnant. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.400 Yeah, right, But I don't think they had like physical 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.520 evidence of like a pregnancy rest right, right, So they 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.440 said that she had friends said that she had talked 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.360 about having to go live in a home for unwed mothers. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.720 She was sort of up against the wall with this. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.200 Obviously, in the mid sixties it was not a great 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:17.320 thing to be an unwed mother. And possibly we don't 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.600 know this either for sure, but she was dating a 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.600 married man and it could have been his baby, which 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.160 would have been problematic as well. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.920 Right, another good reason to r u nnoft. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.400 That's right, okay, I think. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.200 So now two of them have a motive to run 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.520 off in certain new lives. Yeah. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.200 And we should also mention too that Patty was also 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:43.440 dating a married man, supposedly, and they both were buddies 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.400 from this horse stable. And it turns out there was 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.760 a real scumbag. I looked into this guy more, this 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:56.280 Silas Jane. He was a rapist. He was linked to 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.360 the murder of three boys. He was linked to the 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.480 murder of to the grind sisters. He was looked into 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.600 for the disappearance of some heiress in Chicago. He had 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.760 a hit put out on his brother. He had a 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.439 fire bomb planet and in this other woman's car, Like, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.600 this is a bad, bad dude. And he had an 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.080 affiliation with this horse stable. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.440 Yeah. He his brother, I believe owned the horse stable. Yeah, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.520 and Si was like the organized crime boss running the 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.359 criminal ring out of the horse stable. And this was 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.280 the stable that Anne and Patty rode their horses at. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.239 I think Anne was actually she had a job as 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.879 a horse exerciser at these stables. So they were like 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:44.359 really involved in like just rubbing elbows with this organized 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.000 crime ring. And so cops were like, well, wait a minute, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.639 this is this is kind of huge, like you know, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.000 there's as far as looking into their backgrounds. This was 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.480 the biggest red flag the cops had turned up for 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.919 sure that they were known, not that they were like 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.160 criminals themselves, but just that they were like they came 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.160 in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.040 his gang. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:09.400 Yeah. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.879 And one of the later theories was that they witnessed 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.240 the rigging of the firebomb on this car of this woman. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.359 Yeah, and you know, they had to be taken care of. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.520 But we'll get to the theories later. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:29.000 Sure, So as they start, these are like the leads 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.120 that the investigation turned up. But the cops also very 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.480 wisely involved the media pretty early on, and so other 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.280 leads started to come in, and you know, there's the 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.280 usual like I saw them in Pontiac, Michigan, getting off 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.600 of a bus, or they were all in my drug 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.720 store alive and well, you know last week even though 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.720 they've been missing for three weeks, that kind of thing. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.199 But there were some solid leads that came in, and 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.359 one of the big ones was a call from a 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.520 couple from Indianapolis who'd been on the beach that day. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.280 And I think this is the problem with this. There's 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.439 so little writing about this that you kind of have 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.879 to piece together. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that this is 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.040 the same teenage couple that were their beach neighbors. Okay, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.159 I'm pretty sure. They said that they saw them go 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.720 into the water at noon, and while they were hanging 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.120 out in the water, a man probably in his early 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.800 twenties with dark wavy hair, well tanned. Came up in 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.359 a try hold run About ski boat, which is just 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:35.040 stop and look up Tryhole run About nineteen sixties and 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.800 some will come up. They're really cool looking like it 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.320 looks like a boat that Frank Sinatra would drive around 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.000 on a lake totally, and it's the kind of lake 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.360 that you would if you were like an early twenties 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.440 guy pick up like girls at the lake in It's 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.320 just like a fun, cool, zippy boat. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.720 Yes, and side note, if you are turned on by 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.960 those boats like I am, you can find these things 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.520 and buy them for like twelve hundred bucks. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.440 Yes, these old fiberglas. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.680 And engage in mechophilia. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:03.440 You can't. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.679 You can't buy the old wooden boats. You can, but 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.120 not for twelve hundred bucks. Oh okay, those are really expensive. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.600 But the fiberglass ones you can get for fairly cheap. Yeah, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.760 well that's what this guy's supposed to restore it. And 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.080