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Speaker 2: It is not gonna Ben Johnson's fault. Like he's not

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Speaker 2: he gets rid of the ball, he can move to

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Speaker 2: But like a lot of his stuff like playmaker within

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Speaker 2: like I just got to make plays. It's like you

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Speaker 2: got to stay in there. That's what Ben Johnson built

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Speaker 1: Of the ball cast No. And this is something to note.

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about this last time. There are

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Speaker 1: and play callers. Andy Reid is, Sean Payton is, Shanahan is.

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Speaker 1: But most head coaches. Jimmy Johnson's a legendary CEO. I

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's more of a CEO. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: you get the occasional the guy could literally go on

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Speaker 1: the whiteboard. Kevin O'Connell, you know, is a whiteboard guy. Well,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is. And those guys all have one thing

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Speaker 1: in common. They want the quarterback to run their play right.

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's not. Tomlin's gonna let you do what you want

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Defensive coaches don't know the lingo literally, but most of

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not an apples to apples comparison because Russell

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Speaker 2: was an older guy on a huge contract and Caleb

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Speaker 2: I do think there are some parallels. You run my

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Speaker 2: There are two lanes. You run my offense and I

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Speaker 2: There's no like, uh, he'll morph some play like nah.

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Speaker 2: The offense with Ben Johnson and Seawan's you know, as

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Speaker 2: Maybe Ben would try some different stuff because there would

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Speaker 1: I agree, so you and I both agree on this

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Speaker 1: that the Terry McLaurin situation in Washington is troubling. So

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Speaker 1: I liked the Deebo acquisition because he's a chess piece

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Speaker 1: and Cliff Kingsbury would be. You know, a play designer

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Speaker 1: is good with chess pieces. But Deebo's not as good consistently,

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Speaker 1: or as healthy consistently, or as productive consistently as Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: And Terry's been the guy that's been I mean, because

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Speaker 1: of where he was drafted. Terry hasn't gotten the huge

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Speaker 1: payday yet. In fact, you could argue before amor on

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Speaker 1: Saint Rounds contract that mclauch an omor on say Brown

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Speaker 1: with the most un underpaid weapons in the league. So

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Speaker 1: I actually get Terry McLaurin saying guys like I have

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Speaker 1: outperformed my contract fourfold. Deebo is a guy that's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a center piece, more of a chess piece.

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Speaker 1: Struggles to stay healthy. No, no, no, no this, I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing any team favors on this. I kind of side

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Speaker 1: with Terry McLaurin here.

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Speaker 2: You Belichick talked about this for a long time, the

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Speaker 2: locker room dynamics and money. I mean, you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: young people who value themselves based on their contract relative

518
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Speaker 2: to their peers. You know, it's hard with NFL contracts

519
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: because it's convoluted because a signing bonus is and pro

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Speaker 2: rated money. But basically they make a very similar amount

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Speaker 2: of actual cash going into their bank account week one

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Speaker 2: through seventeen this year, deebo and Terry McLaurin. Last time

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Speaker 2: I checked. Terry McLaurin had thirteen touchdowns last year and

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Speaker 2: it was a massive reason that Jayden Daniels became a star.

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Speaker 2: And if you're him, like what about all the sweat

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Speaker 2: equity when this franchise was a joke? Yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: the good guy doing the right thing. You bring in

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Speaker 2: this other guy who is the GM's guy right from

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, but he peaked, you know, part

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Speaker 2: of the reasons Kyle got rid of him. He's like

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Speaker 2: Chubby wide receiver. When do you ever hear about that?

532
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: Like couldn't stay in shape, got moodies, ask for trades before.

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Speaker 2: Now he comes and we're making similar money. These are

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Speaker 2: human beings, right, I totally understand, Like that's not really

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Speaker 2: I feel like a part of the reporting. It's not

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Speaker 2: like and Terry would come out and say I'm jealous

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Speaker 2: or angry because but you can't tell me that didn't

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Speaker 2: play a part. You think I'm gonna make the same

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Speaker 2: amount of money as this guy. You know we're both

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Speaker 2: in contract years. Yet this is my team, which I've

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Speaker 2: been here from day one. You just bring in this guy.

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Speaker 2: I also wonder if it showed him like what this

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Speaker 2: administration they weren't my people, So I better be pretty

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Speaker 2: careful now. They're gonna want me to lay it on

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Speaker 2: the line now. But what if I get hurt and

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Speaker 2: then I can't get a contract after this year. They

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Speaker 2: don't care. They'll just move on. Because wide receivers this

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Speaker 2: isn't you know, tackle or defensive ends not It's a

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00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: pretty easy position to replace. Even if Debo fails. They

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Speaker 2: could just draft a guy next year in the first

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Speaker 2: round or the second round, or hit on a guy

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Speaker 2: in the fourth round. Who knows. Maybe McCaffrey's brother becomes

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: a fifty catch guy. It's an easy you could argue

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Speaker 2: the easiest position now to find.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I can name off the top of my head

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Speaker 1: the tank Dells and the Puka Nakuas and the Amora

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Speaker 1: on Saint Brown's rounds four or five, Jennings and San

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Speaker 1: Francisco's I think it's seventh round guy wide receivers easily now.

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Speaker 1: Now it can be the most inflammable and bustable first

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Speaker 1: round pick because they come in. You know, it's an

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Speaker 1: ego position. They come in the first round, but by

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Speaker 1: and large it's I just I look at Terry McLaurin

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Speaker 1: and I tried to personalize it, and I'm thinking, he's

564
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Speaker 1: been a good guy, he's been productive, he was the

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Speaker 1: star he is to a large degree, is the one

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Speaker 1: thing you could build Jaden Daniels around, not the old

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Speaker 1: line of the run game or tight end. I think

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Speaker 1: you have to take care of him. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: I would said this ten years ago, but you can

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Speaker 1: pay two weapons now and they're not paying a running

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00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: back big money or a tight end like ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: The money was dispersed often more on the defense than offense.

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Speaker 1: In New England. It was I mean, Brady was taking

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Speaker 1: cuts in the NFL. Now the Rams like the Rams,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, they pay like one defensive player. So I'm

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Speaker 1: okay paying two weapons. I'm okay with t Higgins and

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: Well, imagine if you're terry too. So you look around

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Speaker 2: and you go listen. I'm not even comparing myself to

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase or Ceede Lamb or Justin Jefferson, but let's

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Speaker 2: go DK Metcalf the next year. Guys who early on

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Speaker 2: in his career had like the greatest start ever. Last

583
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: couple of years have been weird. The guy that gets

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00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: penalties every game, and Seattle was like, yeah, we're kind

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Speaker 2: of out of this business. He said, he asked for

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Speaker 2: a trade. I think they were ready to pivot yep,

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Speaker 2: and he goes, well, he just gets one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars and sixty seventy million dollars in guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: And he's a question mark of like, can you corral

590
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Speaker 2: this guy? He's like a better version of some of

591
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Speaker 2: these crazy guys. I am everything you would want, character

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Speaker 2: check all these boxes and I produce and I can't

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Speaker 2: get you. Guys won't even offer me anything, so they

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Speaker 2: want them and it's the NFL. It's cut thrown. I

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00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: totally understand it, but I think they want him just

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Speaker 2: to play this season on the fifteen million dollars and

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Speaker 2: then evaluate after that. Now, this is this isn't the

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Speaker 2: NBA right when these guys ask for trades like you

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Speaker 2: don't just he's gone, Like that's not how they're going

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Speaker 2: to operate. And I think these guys know now that

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Speaker 2: they'll get fined and they can't take them back. So

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00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: they show up so they don't get fifty thousand dollars

603
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: a day, but they don't really have to do anything.

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Speaker 2: But is it worth having this guy who's kind of

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Speaker 2: the heartbeat of your one of the heart beats team

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Speaker 2: got being mad in a weird mood like the expectations

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Speaker 2: for Washington. This is why it's hard. And all these

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Speaker 2: coaches say what happened last year is kind of irrelevant

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Speaker 2: this year because guys want to get paid. Guys got injured,

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Speaker 2: some guys are gone. Every team is they had nothing

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Speaker 2: but good vibes last year. Now this year it's like,

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Speaker 2: uh yeah no.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is this is not the NBA,

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Speaker 1: where it's hard to name a player whose career was

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Speaker 1: ended because of an injury. It's the same in baseball

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Speaker 1: outside of pitchers and arms. I mean, baseball careers can

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Speaker 1: last forever. In football, it's just one shot to the knee.

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Speaker 1: You're not the same wide receiver. So like I get

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Speaker 1: the psychology of mclaurin's, Like, bro, I'm taking I take

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Speaker 1: hits at practice. Like we can all name ten pro

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Speaker 1: football careers that have been ended early because of injuries.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen in basketball and baseball or hockey as much.

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Speaker 1: So I get mclaurin's. There's a certain insecurity about football players.

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Speaker 1: I get I want to get paid.

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Speaker 2: Totally, And I think they see it at training camp

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Speaker 2: and we're numb to it as fans and coaches and

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Speaker 2: gms don't care. But you see guys every single day.

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Speaker 2: So and so shattered his legs, so and so ripped

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Speaker 2: fifth man, So no one cares. Those players are standing

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Speaker 2: there right in that drill and see the cart come out,

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Speaker 2: and they knew that guy help be their buddy. They

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Speaker 2: might have been eating lunch with them who's on the

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Speaker 2: practice squad, they've been hanging out with them for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years. They see that cart Leavin with his helmet,

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Speaker 2: they go his career could be over. And then a

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Speaker 2: couple days later he's waved injured. And so for every

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is kind of an outline if you look

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00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: at the landscape of the league, all the top players.

642
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Because we haven't had catastrophic injury to a lot of

643
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: the top players in recent years, they're seeing all the

644
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: guaranteed money and the non guaranteed money of their contract.

645
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: But it's just I wouldn't take that risk if I

646
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: were any of these guys either, because all it takes

647
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: is one guy fall in India and your career is done.

648
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: Or you're just never the same and all of a

649
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: sudden you go from a twenty million dollar player to

650
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: a veteran minimum guy.

651
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: So I don't feel the same with Micah Parsons, who

652
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: has a year left on the contract. He's been noisier,

653
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: he's been less consistent. I think Terry McLaurin is there's

654
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: an argument the most underpaid player in the league via

655
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: VCV production. Michah Parsons is a very good player. I

656
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: talked about this a year ago. I was team trade

657
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. Just forget the rest of the league, forget

658
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFC. To catch up to Philadelphia,

659
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: you need about four more really good players, and Micah

660
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: could have fetched you probably a first and a third

661
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and maybe a fifth. I mean, who knows edge rushers?

662
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I think Micah because he's on the count.

663
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: If Micah played for the Jacksonville Jaguars, I don't think

664
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: he would be discussed as often as he is. I

665
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: think he's really really good. He's not Miles Garrett. I

666
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: don't think he's Max Crosby. He's probably better than Hendrickson

667
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: against the run. He's a very very good player. No

668
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: showed in playoff games. I've seen a man handled gobbled

669
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: up a few times. I like him a lot, but

670
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: I would have moved him. I would have had no problem.

671
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: I would have moved him for picks because I think

672
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: CD and Dak. If you're going to pay Dak that,

673
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: you got to give him a weapon. So my take

674
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: is I'm not team Micah. My take is I would

675
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: have moved him. I would not make him the highest

676
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: paid guy for the next six months in the league.

677
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he's that Am I wrong

678
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: to me? He's a splash player. There are moments he's unbelievable,

679
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: but I also watch Cowboy games where he's ineffective and

680
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: disappears against really good offensive lines.

681
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I would take a healthy version of

682
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. I think three guys that got paid TJ.

683
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: Watt and Max Crosby over him now relative to the Cowboys.

684
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: If you are going to trade him, you have to

685
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: do it before the draft. It doesn't help you now.

686
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: It's you know, remember when the Raiders did it with

687
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack. It just derailed them for a couple of years.

688
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: So it's too late. You know that that new podcast

689
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: the volume did you? Are you a Bravo guy? Have

690
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: you ever seen Wes in action for? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

691
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: so it's I watch a lot of it with my wife.

692
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Obviously it's they got a big these shows. I was googling,

693
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: do like two million people watching the Summerhouse. Steven Colbert

694
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: would sell his left leg to do the numbers that

695
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: these shows are. I mean, they are huge, very popular shows.

696
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: But because there's a lot of drama, a lot going on,

697
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: women watch it, bring their men in. A lot of

698
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: people watch these shows and know what's going on. That

699
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: has become Jerry Jones the Dallas Cowboys, They've become a

700
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Bravo reality television show and they got a lot of

701
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: people paying attention. And it's Jerry's comments he does. He

702
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: feels like he's slipping pretty hard. I feel like these

703
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: last couple of years, say he's making this situation. Listen,

704
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: these contract negotiations are not easy. We were talking. I

705
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: get the league's making a lot of money. It's still

706
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: a lot of money for players that can get it.

707
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: Just production can fall. Things change faster in football than

708
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: the other sports. Right guy falls off a cliff and

709
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: you're like, god, he's twenty eight. You know, all of

710
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: a sudden, Todd Gurley's out of the league. Things happen

711
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: weird in football. So I always understand for the front

712
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: office view is like should we do this? Like these

713
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: are tough conversations unless you're like Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen.

714
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 2: But Jerry makes this way worse because he think about

715
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: all these other negotiations. I gave the Browns a lot

716
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: of credit. Remember Miles Garrett came to the Super Bowls

717
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: like I want out trade me. And then jim He's

718
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: like Clutch was like, I want a meeting with Jimmy HASLM.

719
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: Jimmy's like, I'm not only am I not meeting by

720
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: talk to my GM. A couple days later he signed

721
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: and it's just over TJ. Watson, I need more money.

722
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: A month later he's got paid the new administration spy

723
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Tech and Pete Carroll. You're like, God, they're gonna like

724
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: Max Crosby, even though I think probably time to reset

725
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: trade them Boom. They just pay him nothing. This is

726
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: just it. This is the Cowboys man. They can't and

727
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: people are like Jerry loves himself in the headlines. I

728
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: think we're past that point. The Cowboys are always in

729
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: the headlines, like there was Dallas Cowboys Jerry. I think

730
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Jerry's literally kind of just slipping.

731
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: It's getting to be it feels like the old Al

732
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: Davis Raiders, where a lot of his like stories are weird,

733
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: like he'll start rambling and there was always a point

734
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: to him. But over the last couple of years he'll

735
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: go off into these ten and stories and I'm like, bro,

736
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're going, but this fishing trip,

737
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: let me off the boat because you're not reeling me

738
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: in on this thing. Like, I don't get it. And

739
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: I think the mic of things just been misplayed. And

740
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I did an essay on it a couple of weeks ago,

741
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: is that it's like trying to take the keys away

742
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: from Grandpa. It's like, I mean, it's and I'm not

743
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: being mean spirited, it's just we all you get into

744
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: eighties and you have a big wild life of travel

745
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: and partying, and I just I think the Cowboys are

746
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: in a really, really tenuous spot.

747
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: Well it's getting pretty ugly clearly with Micah's agent, Jerry

748
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: won't talk to him because back in Jerry's heyday, he

749
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: could just talk to the player and get deals done

750
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: and the agents weren't as big of an issue beside

751
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: a couple of players here and there. I mean, I

752
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: saw a story recently that when he signed Deon Sanders,

753
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: he dealt with Deon Sanders and I'm sorry, Jerry, like

754
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: it sucks. I don't. I don't. Most of these people

755
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with these agents. It's part of

756
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: the deal when you want to sign some of these

757
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: players you got to sign called David Mulgena or Drew

758
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: roz Neels, and Jerry just thinks he can go right

759
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: to Micah and it's made it way worse then. Like

760
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: you said, if you watch some of these clips of

761
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: Jerry twenty years ago, it was kind of like when

762
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: when Al was slipping. If you watch clips on NFL

763
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: network of Al Davis in the eighties talking about his team,

764
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, it was like, God, this guy's really impressive,

765
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: you know, because they were they you know, Jerry was

766
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: different than now. I'd say Al was probably fell a

767
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: little more academic than Jerry and football guy. Jerry's a

768
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: little more of a gun slinging businessman. But they are

769
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: not the same in terms of like Al, towards the end,

770
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: it got really ugly. The difference is the raiders the

771
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: NFL hadn't quite taken off like a rocket ship with

772
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: the money, so like Al literally didn't have cash. Sometimes

773
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: he had to wait for them to be Jerry has

774
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: the money. Jerry's just playing hardball. He's very stubborn and

775
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: he's old, but he is like a lot of people

776
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: point out, sneaky, a little cheap, doesn't spend the amount

777
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 2: of cash as some of these teams, because if you

778
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: think about it, when Jerry got in the league, money

779
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: even then was a little tighter definitely than it is now.

780
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: But people will tell you in the league, well, it's like, look,

781
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: Jerry's got a two hundred million dollar yacht, but he

782
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: won't buy some players. Then they'll blame the cap space.

783
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: It's like, look at Jeffrey Leurry. You can manipulate it.

784
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: So it's whether they don't want to, it's whether they're

785
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: not capable of doing it because they're not on the

786
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: forefront of the cap capabilities. I don't know, but they

787
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: do feel a little a little closer to like the

788
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: way we talk about the Browns and the way we

789
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: used to talk about the Raiders, then the way they

790
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: get discussed sometimes because of their brand a little bit.

791
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Let's face it, like the Genie Bus and Bus family

792
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: Lakers up until the last couple of years, especially now

793
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: that it's over with the new ownership. But mom and

794
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: pop shop. But this guy's old. It's like Steven, no

795
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: one's listened to him. Just kind of a shit show Collin.

796
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: This whole thing is to me, you got a first

797
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: time head coach that no one would have hired as

798
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator. Think about that with Brian Schottenneimer, if

799
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: he was fired with Mike McCarthy got an offensive coordinator

800
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: job and the answer is no, because he hadn't got

801
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 2: one in years, so he wasn't going to get one new.

802
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: And now he's your head coach, which and I'm not

803
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: trying to belittle the guy. I mean he comes from

804
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: football royalty, like he's there. Maybe he'll be okay, but

805
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: this is not an easy first job. Danner. Ask those

806
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: guys that tried to coach in the two thousands with

807
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: al it's hard.

808
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: The So I was, this happened before I left, but

809
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. So Mike Brown's the old

810
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: owner of the Bengals, and he kind of lashed out

811
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: and said, you know, the Trey Hendricks and stuff. You know,

812
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: he goes a lot of media makes good points, but

813
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: a lot of media is just talking. And I was

814
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: thinking about it as I was flying from Rhode Island

815
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: back to Chicago tonight. It is hard to have an

816
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: a level quarterback and missed the playoffs fourteen of the

817
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: thirty two teams make it, so forty percent of the

818
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: league makes it. Joe Burrow, there's an argument, was the

819
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: most efficient quarterback in the league last year. It's much

820
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: more than Mahomes, So there was an argument on a

821
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: week to week basis just efficiency quarterback rating, Burrow was

822
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league last year. But think

823
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: about this in an offensive league and they didn't make

824
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They didn't make it. That's almost john impossible.

825
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: In the NFL in twenty twenty four to twenty five.

826
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: If your quarterback, I mean it's you don't even have

827
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: to have a great quarterback. You can have a quarterback

828
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: having a great year, Sam Darnold, You're gonna win thirteen twelve,

829
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen games. They didn't make the playoffs. And the

830
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: reason they didn't make the playoffs. So you say, well

831
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: it's the coach, well then fire, Well they won't do

832
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 1: that because you'd have to pay out a couple of years.

833
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: The contract is so Trey Hendrickson. They literally I think

834
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: there are thirty second in quarterback pressures without Trey Hendrickson,

835
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Like he is their pass rush and they're I mean,

836
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: he's it he's the pass rush and there I mean, listen,

837
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Philadelphia can get pressure on the quarterback whe or without

838
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Jay Carter. Jalen Carter is the game changer. He's like

839
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: one of one, his body type, his quickness. Hendrickson's not

840
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: great against the run, but he is their pass rush.

841
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: But this is like the fourth straight year. There's a

842
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: contract squabble here, there's there's a third straight year. Do

843
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: you think if Cincinnati doesn't make the playoffs again and

844
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: and and will give Burrow another great year because he's

845
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: a great player. Do you think Burrow would just say

846
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: just go scorts to Earth and say because I do.

847
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I think I think Joe is bright, self aware. You're

848
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: starting to see him now do stuff in Paris in

849
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: the offseason. He is so frustrated with the organization. He

850
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: gets away from it, like he goes abroad. You're not

851
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna stay in Ohio. I think if they I think

852
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: they're the fascinating team. If Cincinnati misses the playoffs, I

853
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: think Joe Burrow and his representatives may get ugly.

854
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: The problem is we've seen how Mike Brown operates in

855
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: that scenario. He just I hows you to kick rocks

856
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: either with Carson Palmer. He's done it this offseason, he's

857
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: done in years past. I think they like the Bears

858
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: last year, it's like, you should have fired I reflution.

859
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: She could have hired Mike Rabel and you're probably a

860
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: playoff team in Caleb. No one, we're not even talking

861
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: about it. He's just solid, right, I just would have

862
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: worked And this offseason. The Chargers went through this forever

863
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: like Anthony Lynn, Mike McCoy, Brandon Stale. It's just hire

864
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: a real coach. What did they finally do Jim Harbaugh?

865
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Who does everyone bought stock in for the last two

866
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 2: years the Chargers? Why because they got a real coach

867
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: and this is a team. Imagine if they had fired

868
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor last year. Like obviously the Bears being in

869
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: Chicago is a hard job to pass up, especially if

870
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna pay a lot of money. But to coach

871
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, I mean, I'm sorry, like you're kind of

872
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: remembered on wins and losses, not just like well I

873
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: coached the Bears. Well if you lost, no one cares, right,

874
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: no one's really talking about Matt Maggie, right, he would

875
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: rather coached Joe Burrow than mis Trubisky. So does do

876
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: they get Ben Johnson to just Mike Vrabel, like, hey,

877
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: I want that job over Drake, it's Joe Burrow. So

878
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: I think that it's hard to overcome this when you

879
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: hire cheap coaches, and that's kind of listen. Zach Taylor's

880
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: probably a nice guy and you know, solid NFL mind,

881
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: but we're not talking John McVeagh, Klem Channing. He's not

882
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: super dynamic. The organization is at super dynamic. But you

883
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: can overcome that. Like no one ever said that about

884
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: the Chargers till they got Jamar Ball and then they said.

885
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: Jim Harba said to listen, but you want me, I

886
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 2: need X, Y and Z. And now they're paying big

887
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: money for all these people and you feel good about them.

888
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: But the difference is the LA market and the deal

889
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: that Dean Spanos has, you know, like the dollar a

890
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: year lease is they are swimming in cash because the

891
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: LA market drives so much revenue. Cincinnati doesn't. Their game

892
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: day revenue is near the bottom of the league. So

893
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Brown won't pay fifteen million for a coach and twenty

894
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: four million.

895
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: For a staff.

896
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll pay half that, whereas spanos can

897
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: go listen so far as a bank so far is unbelievable.

898
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: Or if they won't, Joe Burrow's got to ask out

899
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: then soon because you know, or their team's good enough

900
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: they can overcome it. But if that's the case, they

901
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: go nine to eight and they miss it again, it's

902
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: clear their coaching staff sucks. They fire him, and then

903
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: next year, whoever the hot guy is, they end up

904
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: with a third tier guy. It's like, you got to

905
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: get out because this is we've seen this song and dance.

906
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: I saw Antonio Gates point at Philip Rivers. Let's face it.

907
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't exactly have the greatest coaches a

908
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: lot of their prime I mean, can you imagine if

909
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: those two guys would have had a Sean McVay, Kyle

910
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: shanahan and Kevin O'Connell, who knows the way we talk

911
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: about that run of like I remember those four out

912
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: of the last seven years the Chargers have been in

913
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: the Championship Game and made a couple of Super Bowls.

914
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: And that's the difference of just like, oh, that one

915
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: time Joe Burrow made the Super Bowl, or he's going

916
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: competing to go to the Super Bowl. Every single year,

917
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: so you would have to short the Browns, or excuse me,

918
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: the Bengals, because usually an owner, old guy like Jerry.

919
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: I've known a lot of older businessmen that usually don't

920
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: become more open minded in their mid seventies. That's not

921
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: how it works. So this is not changing with the

922
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: Brown family.

923
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: And now for our next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey Business,

924
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey

925
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: of the Colin Coward Podcast. By the way, do you

926
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: watch the Hall of Fame ceremonies.

927
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: I just sawl I used to watch it a lot.

928
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: They've kind of changed the sequence of the week because

929
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: remember they used to have the game on Sunday and

930
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: the thing would be Saturday night. Now they play the

931
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: game on Thursday and they do it like in the morning.

932
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: But I saw a lot of clips of Antonio Brown

933
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: and Sterling and Shannon and Jared Allen, who has like

934
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: some weird disease. Did you see that in a change

935
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: his diety he looks slim.

936
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: But by the way, next year's class, Drew Brees, Larry

937
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Finngerald in Julian Edelman's probably not a first ballot guy.

938
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's even gonna make it. Yeah,

939
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: one of the great all time winners, but I think

940
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: i've seen his numbers, like compared to like Wes Welker,

941
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard to overcome.

942
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Philip Rivers probably won't. But Phillip's fascinating because and

943
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback had some of this. There were moments they

944
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: looked like Hall of Famers, but so much of it.

945
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: But Eli had moments he didn't look anything resembling a

946
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, but he had iconic moments, whereas Philip

947
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: was really Hall of Fame productive, but he didn't have

948
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: anything in January or February that was memorable. And so, yeah,

949
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, the Hall of Fame. It's I think one

950
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: of the cooler stories is Antonio Gates, the first undrafted

951
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I believe that there was a story

952
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: that you know, Philip Rivers was talking about for those

953
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: who didn't see it, where Philip basically said Antonio Gates

954
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: in the playbook. No matter what the play was, if

955
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates was covered one on one that go to

956
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates usurped any other play. There was like if

957
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: you looked at the coverage and they put like one

958
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: guy on him. It was like, we're going to Antonio Gates.

959
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: It did not matter the time, the situation, the field position.

960
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: It's funny. I remember watching Antonio Gates rookie year and

961
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: I've never been a fantasy football player, so nobody had

962
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: him on their team. And I've told this story before.

963
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: You can really see great fast. Eugene Robinson went to Colegate.

964
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I was in Cheenie, Washington at the camp. I had

965
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: a program in my hand and he's lighting up receivers

966
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, lighting them up, and we're all, who's

967
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: the guy from Colegate Eugene Robinson. That's how I felt

968
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: about Antonio Gates, Like I remember watching him as a

969
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: rookie and going undrafted. I don't even understand this. Do

970
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: you remember the early recollections of Antonio Gates.

971
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: I saw him a decent amount toward the latter half

972
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: of their career in the mid like twenty thirteen, fourteen

973
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: fifteen when they played the Raiders. But Colin he just

974
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: made the Hall of Fame. He did not play college football.

975
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean he did not play called that will never

976
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: happen again. Jordan mylotta who's making I mean, how many

977
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: people have ever made the Pro Bowl, made the NFL.

978
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: We've had guys make the NFL. Rugby guys, you know,

979
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: wrestlers that didn't play college football. But to make a

980
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl and not play college football, you know, my

981
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: lot is a little unique rugby guy from Australia. Antonio

982
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: Gates basketball player. Physically obviously, both these guys are really gifted.

983
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: I do think that Antonio Gates a lot of people.

984
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: I remember when I was in the NFL, we used

985
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: to like kind of like run studies and scout like

986
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: six three to six five power forwards, typically smaller schools,

987
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, maybe like a Kent State that's where Antonio

988
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: Gates went, but New Mexico State, whatever, and try to

989
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: find a body type like that that could translate. And

990
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: it only exists because of him, Like if he hadn't existed,

991
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: no one would have thought like that. And let's face it,

992
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: there doesn't really exist. Since you know, Jimmy Jimmy gra

993
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: at Miami, I think he played his senior year if

994
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, Yeah, but he was, you know, a

995
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: starter on the basketball team. But there were some guys

996
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: like Julius Peppers did both right, some guys do both,

997
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: like Donovan McNabb do both. This guy did not play

998
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: college football at Allah and then to go to the

999
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: NFL and play tight end. And let's let's face it,

1000
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: when Antonio Gates came into the league in two thousand

1001
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: and three three, it was a little more violent and

1002
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: crazy than it is now in terms of the rules

1003
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: hitting guys. So it was you were running across the

1004
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: middle of Willy Nilly going they can't touch me, no.

1005
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: But I do remember the two thousand and four season

1006
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: is when he really punked because he came in as

1007
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: like a third or four shring guy. And I've always

1008
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: been a Charger fan, so back Dan Fouts. So like

1009
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: if you're a West Coast guy, you were always a

1010
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: Charger fan. The West Chandler, John Jefferson, Dan Fouts, Chuck Muncy,

1011
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: they're great offensive lines. So I've always watched the been

1012
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of a Charger fan, and I think everybody in

1013
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: the West Coast was because the uniforms, the way they played.

1014
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: They were always great offensively. It just didn't matter Herbert

1015
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Fouts, They've been good offensive Like Oregon football

1016
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: They've always been fun offensively, and I can remember the

1017
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: two thousand and four season when he would have he

1018
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, like, had a dozen touchdowns and people started

1019
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: saying undrafted, and You're like, and then you started you know,

1020
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: that's again it's twenty some years ago, but I think

1021
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: I looked I looked at drafting different when I saw

1022
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates in two thousand and four, two thousand and five.

1023
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: It really does make you realize what a crapshoot this

1024
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: league is. Half the players that are playing in this league,

1025
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: I think that it's like forty percent or undrafted that

1026
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: are on rosters right now. And that's one of the

1027
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: things about football that I think is so incredibly relatable.

1028
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: In the NBA draft, you get to like sixteenth pick,

1029
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: you're out of players. In Major League Baseball, you have

1030
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: forty rounds. You can do forty rounds of drafting, but

1031
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: most of your great players with the first two or

1032
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: three rounds. What's remarkable, The best player ever is Tom

1033
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: Brady's a sixth rounder. You and I could write and

1034
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: if we went back and forth for the next ten minutes,

1035
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: we could name great players from the third round on

1036
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: every fan could you could name fifty of them. And

1037
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: that's and I think Antonio Gates, if you go back

1038
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: to his career, it really does. I mean Joe Montana's

1039
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: I think was a third round pick. You have Brady's sixth,

1040
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner and Romo undrafted brought pretty seventh. So I

1041
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: think I do think when I think of Antonio Gates,

1042
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: I think of its sort of the beauty of pro

1043
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: football in this country is it is. There's a lot

1044
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: of plumbers in this league. There's a lot of dudes

1045
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: that just started late. You know, like golf and baseball

1046
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: and hockey, you have to start early. It is a

1047
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: skill that has developed over over years, decades of practice.

1048
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: If you play basketball, a lot of those skills work

1049
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: in football. Run, jump, catch for a tight end.

1050
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's why you find people in both if

1051
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: they hit the genet. You got to have the special

1052
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: genetics to make the pros. But you can meet find

1053
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: football players a guy that, yeah, I played high school.

1054
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: I skipped it to play basketball at a small school

1055
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: and then I made the Hall of Fame in the NFL.

1056
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: One thing I learned going to camps. Once I left

1057
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: the NFL and started doing this, and look at it

1058
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: more from an er, you know, from talking about it

1059
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: and the way fans think. You realize I don't waste

1060
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: much time when I was going to camps and specifically

1061
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: doing the Niners or Raiders stuff like talking about the four, fifth, sixth,

1062
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: seventh rounders, because every single year those guys get cut

1063
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: and get beat out by undrafted free agents. Hell, the

1064
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: second rounders a lot of times they don't get cut,

1065
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: but they are lower on the depth chart than the

1066
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 2: sixth rounder at their same position because he was better.

1067
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: And two years later that sixth rounders is starting. That

1068
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: second rounder is not only a backup. A year later

1069
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: he'll be cut and then we're a year away from

1070
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: that guy making the Pro Bowl. Sixth rounders got a

1071
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: big extension, and that is the NFL training camp that

1072
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: undrafted free agents six seventh rounders. There there is a

1073
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: meritocracy and it's called be a good player, and you

1074
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: will move up at rapid speed. You are on scholarship

1075
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: a little as a higher yes plays like a top seven.

1076
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: Sam in baseball. If you if you're a first or

1077
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: second round pick in baseball, you'll make the roster like

1078
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: they'll put.

1079
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: Guarantee you any playing time it doesn't guarante you a

1080
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: starting spot, It does not guarantee you dressing on game days.

1081
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: So I think the one thing that separates in football

1082
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: in a lot of positions toughness and mental toughness because physically,

1083
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, I think Jimmy Johnson always had the thing

1084
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: as fatigue makes cowards of us. All as you get tired,

1085
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: you stop thinking. So the guys that can think as

1086
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: they're tired, truly separating football training camp. All these camps,

1087
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: it's hot, they're throwing. You know, for a lot of

1088
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: these guys that come from some of these offenses and

1089
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: defenses in college, you know, this isn't Most guys aren't

1090
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: running Nick Saban's scheme. It's semi basic at a lot

1091
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: of these college So they get there, it's intense, and

1092
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: these coaches do not lay off the gas pedal on you.

1093
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: So what over a lot of guys, it's not there physically,

1094
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: they can't play in the NFL. It's mentally it's too much.

1095
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: They don't know what's going on, and then it impacts

1096
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: physically because they start playing slow. It's like you're gonna

1097
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: get you. You can't, we can't put you on the

1098
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: field and then they just start getting lapped because the

1099
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: sixth rounder, this is a pretty example, just because he's

1100
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: a late round pick, can handle it right. So he

1101
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: can handle it mentally. So that if you can handle

1102
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: it mentally, because you're getting drafted, you have some physical

1103
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: skill that gives you a huge starting spot. So to me,

1104
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: the mental edge on players is something. It's we don't

1105
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: talk about them because how do you quantify it. You know,

1106
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: coaches always say, like, this guy's smart, but what does

1107
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: that really mean? It means a lot, you know. I

1108
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: remember an assistant coaches, you just tell me. It's so

1109
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: easy for everyone in the scouting department to go, hey, listen,

1110
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: this guy's got all the skills. He's an idiot, not

1111
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: even a great guy. But coach him up and then

1112
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: he's like, we draft him, and then you guys just

1113
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: hang out in the cafeteria like, how's it going? Coach

1114
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: and I have to deal with them every day and

1115
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: he's got no clue what's going on. And that's where

1116
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: I think the value of smart guys. Well, when you

1117
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: get the talented smart guy like an Aaron Donald, a

1118
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: Trent Williams or Travis Kelce, like you got the guy's

1119
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 2: gonna dominate, right Yeah.

1120
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, basketball increasingly in my life

1121
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: has become positionless, like Lebron could play point two, three

1122
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: or four in his prime, right like it's become I mean,

1123
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: Jokich is the best passing big man you know since

1124
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: maybe Bill Walton.

1125
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: Could play center in twenty twenty five.

1126
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Jokich is a point center that didn't exist

1127
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Nobody talked about point centers. But football

1128
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: is position specific. Guards can't play tight end. Tom Brady

1129
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: could play one position, that is it, and he's the

1130
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: greatest player in the history of the league. Lawrence Taylor

1131
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: could maybe have played tight end. He's the best defensive player.

1132
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: But Reggie White again probably wouldn't have been a great

1133
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: tackle offensive tackle. He's the best defensive tackle of all time.

1134
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: And so it's specific. And I think I think one

1135
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: of the things you find, and Jimmy Johnson always talked

1136
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: about this is like in football. I'm always very reluctant

1137
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: on he's just a great athlete. Is love's playing football?

1138
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: And my take on what does he do well? Like

1139
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: it is it's not positionless. It's like baseball to a

1140
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: large degree. You can be a utility infielder, but generally

1141
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: a first baseman's a third baseman with no range. Right

1142
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: a third baseman needs range and more athletic ability. That's

1143
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: why Mark maguire ends over like a d H or

1144
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: he can play first base, the center fielder, and the shortstop.

1145
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: Of your great athletes, and I think, what football does.

1146
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: I think they're really good drafters. They find even receivers. Now,

1147
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: is he a boundary guy? Is he a slot guy?

1148
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: You can't just draft a guy because it's like and

1149
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: you know a lot of teams play zone. I guess

1150
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: my whole point is what makes football difficult to draft

1151
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: is that you have to have a specific skill, you

1152
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: have to match the coaching staff, you have to stay healthy.

1153
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of thing. That's why they're so go

1154
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: look on it. Every team in this league you have

1155
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: fifty five guys. Take the Eagles out. There's about four

1156
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: really great players on every team. That's about even the Rams.

1157
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: Stafford's great, Pukah's great versus great.

1158
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of good.

1159
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good.

1160
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: I also think, like, let's say we do this podcast

1161
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: and by the end of tomorrow, two hundred and fifty

1162
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: thousand people have listened, watched right consume this podcast. That's

1163
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: a concrete number, easy to evaluate if you want to

1164
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: sell it to advertisers. It's very black and white. We're

1165
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: in football. Let's say I have I'm a prospect and

1166
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: I play at UCLA and I get eleven sacks, but

1167
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: seven of them came against UC Davis, against New Mexico

1168
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: and against the worst team in the Big Ten. And

1169
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: I had no sacks when we played Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan,

1170
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: Penn State. It's like, well, you know, on all the lists,

1171
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: this guy was one of the highest productive guys double

1172
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: digitsack guys power for conference Big Ten. It's like, well, actually,

1173
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, let's really dive into this. You know, Khalil

1174
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: Mack played at a small school, but he played Ohio

1175
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: State his senior year at three sacks against Taylor Decker,

1176
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: So it was like, I don't really know. Obviously he's

1177
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: got these physical attributes, but I watched him do it

1178
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: against that team. And the other track is there are

1179
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, in any business, the humans play a role,

1180
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: but when you acquire a company, a lot of times

1181
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: it's a product. It's something that's already kind of like

1182
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: a built in infrastructure that aren't always human dependent, especially

1183
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: now with technology right where in football it's never going

1184
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: to change. As long as football, you're you're acquiring a

1185
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: human and being. So it's like, how can he handle it?

1186
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: How like physically is he tough enough? Because you can

1187
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: get by. This happens in high school a lot. It's

1188
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: why I think a lot of these coaches like I'm

1189
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: not giving a high school player a million dollars, Like

1190
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm at Georgia o' house state, Like, okay, Jeremiah Smith,

1191
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: but there's been a lot of Jeremiah Smith that everyone

1192
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: thought was Jeremiah Smith. And he gets to college and

1193
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: you never hear of him, and he never gets off

1194
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: the bench because this guy's so much better than everyone

1195
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: he's playing in high school. Right. So it's like once

1196
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: you come to the NFL, like everyone's a pro. So

1197
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: then practice like you just practicing. You just let's say

1198
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: you play, you get a first round pick for the

1199
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks or the Arizona Cardinals. Like practice, you're playing

1200
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: against the best players ever just in practice, let alone

1201
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: the games that are about to come. So I think

1202
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: it can really expose you. This is why drafting is

1203
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: so difficult because you're dealing with humans with all these

1204
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: variables that unlike all these other industries. Jimmy Haslam gave

1205
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: a big press conference like earlier this week and he

1206
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: even said, like, you know, in all my other industries,

1207
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: if I want to hire a guy, I can just

1208
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: hire him if something's going wrong. It's very easy to

1209
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: figure out what a lot of unknowns in this business,

1210
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: like was the play call? Is this guy dumb? Is

1211
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: this guy not fast enough? You know, you just don't know.

1212
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Like the industry were in, it's it's pretty black and white.

1213
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: I'd say football has the most variables, yea, of all

1214
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: the sports.

1215
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean remember the kid from Clemson Simmons that

1216
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: got drafted a few years ago. I think Steve Kim

1217
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: drafted him, and.

1218
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: He was a tall kind of hybrid linebackers and he.

1219
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: Was just like, holy god, he was a playmaker. And

1220
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: then he goes to the pros and you're like, what

1221
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: is he yet? Honey Badger, who wasn't fast enough to

1222
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: be a lockdown corner? Honey Badger had a what is

1223
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: he exactly? But his instincts were so insane that Honey

1224
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Badger becomes a great player and Simmons I always feel

1225
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: like left too much on the cutting room floor. That's

1226
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: just not enough. And I think those are two great

1227
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: players where a lot of people, because of the drug

1228
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: stuff with Honey Badger, were off him. And I remember

1229
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: hearing from a assistant coach at LSU who said he

1230
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: is the most instinctive player I've ever seen. I remember

1231
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: watching LSU games with him. If there was a fumble,

1232
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: he was on it. He was let literally by any turnover,

1233
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: any tackle, and I'm like, Jesus, this kid can And

1234
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: so Steve Kim told me that he goes. We thought

1235
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: he had the best instincts we'd ever seen. So but

1236
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: Simmons came in and it felt a little bit of

1237
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: not positionless, but you weren't quite sure. And I always

1238
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: felt he disappointed me. And that's a prime example of football,

1239
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: like unless you have incredible instincts, you can be big,

1240
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: strong and fast, but you just don't fit a system.

1241
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, think about this. It's a little dated because he

1242
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: got kicked out of LSU for weed, but at the

1243
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: time it was a big deal. He got kicked off

1244
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: the program. He did not play his junior year, thought

1245
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: about coming back remember, and then he goes pro. He

1246
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: gets drafted in the third round and becomes a team

1247
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: captain for the next four teams he's on. And Patrick Peterson,

1248
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: who at the time was like the best player beside

1249
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald on the and Carson Palmer on the Cardinals

1250
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: like two years in, called honey Badger the heartbeat of

1251
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 2: the team. So he becomes the team captain of that team.

1252
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: He becomes a team captain of the Texans for a year,

1253
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: goes to the Chiefs with Andy Mahomes, Kelsey becomes a

1254
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: team captain. I got buddies that were around him that

1255
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: called him like one of their favorite players they'd ever

1256
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: been around. You just the guy was kicked out of

1257
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: the team and goes on to become Honestly, it's an

1258
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: incredible story, like one of the high character leaders of

1259
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: the league that everyone respected. But the Isaiah Simmons thing.

1260
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: I remember texting someone on a really good team and said,

1261
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: what do you think of this guy? They're like, we

1262
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: really ding them on the toughness. Obviously physically he was

1263
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: a freak free like you watch him like he kinda

1264
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: We didn't think he was just a hammer. You know

1265
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: this he's not playing like Whu Funger or something down

1266
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: and that, And that's hard to play when you're like

1267
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: this hybrid Whu Fungo was this hybrid guy? What will

1268
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: who fung to do? He will kill you? Ye know?

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Speaker 2: Why do coaches like who? Because like there's a physicality

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Speaker 2: when you're in space. You're either gonna be you better

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Speaker 2: be a lockdown guy or you kind of gotta have

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Speaker 2: a little cam Chancellor to you, you know, to play

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Speaker 2: in that roaming hybrid linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Say, think about Chase Young. I would have bet any

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Speaker 1: amount of money ten year All Pro where'd he go?

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Speaker 1: I mean Max Crosby is what we thought Chase Young

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Speaker 1: would be. So I mean yeah, I mean again, Clowny

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Speaker 1: a guy that some of these guys are so big

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Speaker 1: in high school, like they just in golf players. They

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Speaker 1: get a five star, they go to a big school,

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Speaker 1: they're surrounded by other great players, and they are splash players.

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Speaker 1: Clowny made highlight plays at South Carolina. He's a splash player.

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Speaker 1: But they're physically they grow up faster than other kids.

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Speaker 1: They're unblockable. The Andy katzen Moyer legendary, like one of

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Speaker 1: the best high school players ever they're just too big

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Speaker 1: to guard. And then they go to college and they're

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Speaker 1: still really good college players, but they're surrounded by five

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Speaker 1: star guys. They're really good guys, so they get, you know,

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Speaker 1: singularly blocked and they have some splash plays. But and

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Speaker 1: then I thought.

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Speaker 2: Naji Harris, who was when I was living in the

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Speaker 2: Bay Area, was I think the number one high school

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Speaker 2: recruising in the state of California. Harbball wanted him bad. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Savan ended up getting him. He didn't really play at

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Speaker 2: a high level till his senior year in high school.

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Speaker 2: I remember texting someone around the program. They're like, well,

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Speaker 2: he kind of looked like a college guy at sixteen

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Speaker 2: years old. Yeah, and you know, I think Harball I

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Speaker 2: thought it was a little bit of an overpay. Obviously

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Speaker 2: you had the fourth of July incident. But why did

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh sign him? Because he's loved him since, you know,

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Speaker 2: when he tried to sign him at Michigan. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of you talk to some other people around

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Speaker 2: the league, they're like, eh, Naji Harris not our cup

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Speaker 2: of tea. But Naji Harris a good example of in

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Speaker 2: high school. Naji Harris was a grown man playing against

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Speaker 2: high school kids, and that's why he went to Alabama.

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Speaker 1: cooffin I for an hour. We're getting very close. We

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Speaker 1: are getting very very close to the football season. And

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Speaker 1: I'll kind of tell you, John, I have played eleven

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Speaker 1: rounds of golf this summer. That's setting a new record

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Speaker 1: for me. And for years and years, my wife would

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Speaker 1: always say, you know, you got to find a hobby.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do. You're sixty. You got

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Speaker 1: to find a hobby at some point. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I told her this weekend, I said, I was going

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Speaker 1: to learn French. I was going to learn their language.

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Speaker 1: I was going to get into drawing, kind of stick

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Speaker 1: figure drawing. I was going to get drawing class. And

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what I learned about myself. My

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Speaker 1: hobby has to be moving. I like, I got to

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Speaker 1: be moving. And this weekend I said, I love golf.

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Speaker 1: I love playing golf. I found my hobby, and so

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Speaker 1: I think for the last ten years I've been looking

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Speaker 1: for a hobby. And my wife's just been joking over

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Speaker 1: and over. She's like, you keep telling me you bought

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Speaker 1: a wine story because you thought it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: wine and then it was drawing. Then you're gonna learn French.

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Speaker 1: I I'm not addicted, but I think about golf now

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Speaker 1: the minute I get on a plane to go and

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Speaker 1: hang out. That's what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 2: I think it's got a lot of attributes that you

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Speaker 2: would enjoy. One you can you can have a cocktail

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Speaker 2: while you're doing it outside, so in the sun, and

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Speaker 2: I do think an underrated part. Even if you're playing

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Speaker 2: with someone you don't know that well, you can have

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Speaker 2: really good conversations about a lot of different things. It

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Speaker 2: is a very conversational Uh it's not you know you

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Speaker 2: you got to get If you want to work out,

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Speaker 2: you probably got to do it. Separate of golf, I

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Speaker 2: would not call it much of a physical activity if

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Speaker 2: you're in the cart, little walking depend on the course.

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Speaker 2: But to me, where the social elements. Because I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: I love it, But like I haven't played in three weeks,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't need to, Like I'm not addicted, and

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Speaker 2: why I always got to be on the course. I

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Speaker 2: use it. It's just a vehicle sometimes to get out.

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Speaker 2: But it does bring a social element into my life

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Speaker 2: that I could easily avoid as I just go tunnel

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Speaker 2: vision of work and my wife and not doing much

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Speaker 2: gets me. Get you talking in it's a couple of

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Speaker 2: cocktails usually involved. It's you rarely have a bad time,

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Speaker 2: especially in the summer. You get a little sweat outside,

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Speaker 2: enjoy yourself. Maybe cocktail after too, Like do you pull

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Speaker 2: into the clubhouse or the outside bar? Oh, have a

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Speaker 2: cool one?

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Speaker 1: No, it's And I got my group of guys in

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Speaker 1: a Rhode Island and I I just I always understood

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Speaker 1: why guys liked it. I just didn't have time for it.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you my whole life, I've been

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Speaker 1: looking for a hobby and I found it. And I

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Speaker 1: told my wife, and I told her this yesterday. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've been laughing for years that I can't.

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Speaker 1: My wife's like, your works, your hobby. You love podcasting,

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Speaker 1: you love doing that, you like reading about sports, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I need something else, and exercise

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Speaker 1: isn't a hobby. It's just exercise, and I found it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sort of that's all.

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Speaker 2: That's the only extra hobby you need. That's that's sports

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Speaker 2: and golf. That's your life and my dogs. All right, buddy,

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Speaker 2: take it ease, see you soon. The volume