1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: All media. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Today is special. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: First of all, what up, Welcome, We're gonna bring in 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the Canadian correspondent. Cannot wait for y'all to talk to 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: my man Shad, who is now officially the greatest rapper 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: out of Canada. Please do your googles on Shad if 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: you like, do your googles Shad is. We got some 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: music coming out. We've already done music together. But Shad 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: is like a top tier artist hip hop evolution. His 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: show on Netflix, go watch it. The guys won an 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: egregious amount of Juno's, which are the Canadian Grammys. The 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: guys that he's just a stud anyway. Before we bring 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: him in to discuss the final final, final thoughts on 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Kendrick and Drake and the Big three and what culture means, 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: let's drop in and do some current See it's like 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: this Bullduk is like this, Bullook is like this all right, 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: so Hunter fighting, So help me starting his case. His 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: case is on a gun charge for him lying on 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: his application saying he wasn't on no junk. 20 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: Now it's verifiably true. He was lying. 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: He was on that junk and he talked about it 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: all the time. But on the application to get a gun. 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: The man said, na, I ain't on nothing. Now, remember 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: when we talked about what you won't do with Trump? 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: How a defense one could make is like, bro, you 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: ain't never lied on no application. That don't make it 27 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: all right. I'm just saying to be fair imbalanced, who 28 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: among us has not lied on some application. Now, this 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: is a federal case. So if bringing us to the 30 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: other news in the criminal justice system right now is 31 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Trump is a whole felon. 32 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 2: Thirty fort them beats thirty for them. 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: Host. 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: That was not a federal case. That was a state case, 35 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the state of New York. So Trump's defense about this 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: being a political thing with Joe Biden making sure it happened. 37 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Joe ain't got no jurisdiction over the New York courts. 38 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: That's New York did that. And that was a trial 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: by jury. The judge ain't even choose it. 40 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: Nigga. The jury did. 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: Twelve yo homies that y'all all agreed on when this 42 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: case started talking about I can't get no fair nigga happened. 43 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: In New York. What do you want these people to do? Okay? 44 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, thirty four and most that was a 45 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: case brought by the state. The Joe Biden situation, where 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: he does have some control over, is a federal case, 47 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: and that case is against his son, and he ain't 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: stopping that one, you know what I'm saying. But in 49 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: that case, man, he probably gonna lose that I ain't 50 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: gonna I ain't gonna hold you. But anyway, Trump with 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: his thirty fold and felonies. Boy, now here's where it 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: gets really interesting. Let's just say he get a conviction 53 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: in Georgia on the Rico case. I'm pretty sure up 54 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: in New York he probably not gonna get no jail 55 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: time first time offender maximum four years. 56 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: He in his late seventies, mid seventies. 57 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, probation community service is probably worse with somebody 58 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: like a man like him. But like, if he gets 59 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: that and then gets found guilty in Georgia and when 60 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: he tries to get probation, they're no leniency. They're like, wait, 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: you're a convicted felon. You already got probation in another state, 62 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: or we gotta give you time cause you get leniency 63 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: when you're a first time offender, but you already a 64 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: feling because so, oh lord, this. 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: Might really whoa wait, it's stacking up on. 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: It, Bret. 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 2: Now Trump has. 68 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Consistently dodged a freakish amount of bullets. Now, I don't 69 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: know if he's out of his nine lives, but it's 70 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: hard to make any particular call about what's going to 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: happen with this man because he continues to defy gravity. 72 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: But I tell you what, to try to get probation 73 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: in another state when you already a feeling. If the 74 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: criminal justice system worked the way I know it works, 75 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: good luck, my gee. 76 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: What else? 77 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh, Mexico got a el president TA They hired them 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: a female. They had an elected day first and what 79 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: was crazy was a female was their only option. It 80 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: was two females running for president in Mexico. They don't 81 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: shattered the glass in second half on your monkey, All 82 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: my rappers on my true hip hop fans know that 83 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: one right shattered that glass ceiling got them a female president. 84 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: It's really America, that's knuckle dragon. Because Afghanistan, for God's sakes, 85 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: has had female presidents. While we're out here talking about 86 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: they are developing country. You know what I'm saying. Anyway, 87 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: So we'll see, man, some of their feelings about this 88 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: is like you know. Now, I don't know if this 89 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: on some misogyny or nothing, but just like, hey, you know, 90 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: politicians are politicians, but maybe you know according I'm saying this, 91 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: this is the polls in Mexico. According to them, like 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: girls ain't gonna be following for the okie dog filing 93 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: for the coron that the men be falling for. Inside 94 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: of the Mexican government, they like, now that we got 95 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: a lady in there, it might be different. 96 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: Now I don't know. I ain't over there. I know 97 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: women be doing. 98 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: Dirt because girls is pepanes too, right, I know girls 99 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: be doing the dirt too, So I don't know. But 100 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: either way we'll see. That's a big deal. And lastly, 101 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: we may or may not have a ceasefire deal. Now 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: we done heard this before. And oh, Joe Senior, Joe 103 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: Biden talking about then y'allhoo told me when everybody left 104 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: that he really was trying to get this thing over with. 105 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: So to which Joe out here like, oh. 106 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Then stand on business, that's what you believe, or just 107 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: tell me this and let me say it, because you 108 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: too scared that your whole government coalition will fall apart. 109 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna talk to you about what it means 110 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: to make a coalition in one of these hood politics episodes, 111 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: because it kind of makes it make sense. 112 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: At the end. 113 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: But even if you don't know, that's a full situation. Essentially, 114 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: if because the way that the Israeli government is set up, 115 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: netn Yahoo only got on power only, he only got 116 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: put on because he made a coalition with extremely right 117 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: wing people that are like burn it all down. So 118 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: if he falter a little bit, he out the game. 119 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: He has to stay the course. But the course he's 120 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: staying is chaos, and he knows chaos. So the man 121 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: ain't got no way out anyway. Now this ain't no 122 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm not giving that man no cookies because he's also 123 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: facing multiple corruption charges himself, which is part of why 124 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: it was so hard for him to get elected in 125 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: the first place, and why they don't change the courts. 126 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: Over there. We did an episode on this, but that's 127 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: going on over there. 128 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: There might be a ceasefire deal first six week thing 129 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: to which they exchange hostages, give everybody back on and 130 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: they start removing troops, and then they finally talk about 131 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: how they going clean all this up that they just destroyed. 132 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: Like that's what they're trying to do. And maybe Hamas 133 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: is down because the Moss was like, why ain't make 134 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: a no deal with you? That's temporary, nigga, you just 135 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: blew up the whole city like talking about ceasefire. How 136 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: about like like for a little bit, like oh, just 137 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: so you could blow up the rest of the city, 138 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: Like what did you talk about? So they are working 139 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: on getting the rest of the deal back and we'll 140 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: see what's up. 141 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Man. 142 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully you know, hopefully this is a good sign, you 143 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: feel me, and then these people can begin the generational 144 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: trauma that they're going to experience. 145 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: Is not funny, but. 146 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Maybe they could start the process of possibly existing with 147 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: PTSD for the rest of their life. All right, let's 148 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: talk to Chad. Welcome to Herd Politics with prop lessons 149 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: from the Big Three. This is a bonus episode which 150 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: ended up being lessons of the Big two, which some 151 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: could argue Big one, but we won't get to that. 152 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: At this point. It seems as though. 153 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: After all the responses and had deep it's got we 154 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: can't call anything right now. It's May sixth, the day 155 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: after at least California is calling Cinco di Kendrick h 156 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: So this is. 157 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: The day after that. 158 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: But we couldn't do this without tapping into our Canadian correspondent, 159 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: the now new number one rapper in Canada. 160 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: This is so much shape, my man, Shad? 161 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: What's good? 162 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: Oh man? What of Shaddy? Is anybody ever call you Shaddy? 163 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, actually my family does. 164 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: Your family calls you shatty? 165 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? Like my parents, my aunt? Yeah? 166 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: Okay is that off limits? 167 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: No? 168 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: No? I love it. 169 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's make it sure. All right. 170 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: So obviously, as y'all know, we had to talk to 171 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Shad because as someone who is a Toronto resident, a 172 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: bona fide Canadian, and a black man with a ton 173 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: of accolades in the hip hop and music scene of Canada. 174 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: So we're talking about this is a this is a 175 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: very respected voice in his scene and out here. 176 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: So first of all, what up, Shad? 177 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: What about? Thank you for having me? Let's get into it. 178 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: Let's get into it all a waste of time? Okay. 179 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: So uh, at the end of probably the greatest weekend 180 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: in hip hop history. You know, I already know you've 181 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: been You've been fielding a lot of interviews. What have 182 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: what have been the tenor of the interviews you've been 183 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: You've been a fielding out here. 184 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: So I've done I've done a couple and I actually 185 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: have one after this. 186 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 187 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: Okay, so you know what I'm saying. 188 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: Listen, because this is, like you said, this is the 189 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: biggest week in hip hop in my memory. 190 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is. This is monumental. This is a two 191 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 5: artists of their generation going at it. So a lot 192 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: of to your question, the interviews I've done, I've done 193 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 5: this one today will be for our public broadcaster, the CBC, 194 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 5: which is the biggest news organization in Canada and so 195 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 5: and so at this point it's national news like it 196 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 5: is partly because Drake is our guy, yes, but also 197 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: because just in music and entertainment and pop culture period, 198 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 5: this is the biggest. This is the biggest thing in 199 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: a long time. 200 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Which is crazy, right, It's just it's it's this. It 201 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: is officially international news. 202 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Crazy crazy Like Jay and Naws was not. 203 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 5: I don't think they were doing a segment on the 204 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 5: you know, six pm National News. 205 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, in your version, in our version of like NPR, PBS, 206 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: like Canada's version of that, that wasn't happening. No, Yeah, 207 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: only when Dip said nim was on Bill O'Reilly being like, 208 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: oh you mad bro. 209 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 5: So the tone of those interviews, a lot of it 210 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 5: has been setting the table, so to speak, you know, 211 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 5: like really explaining to a general Canadian audience what this is, yeah, 212 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 5: between these two, but also what is battling in hip 213 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: hop in general? 214 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 215 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: You know why? Why is it a thing? Why does 216 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: it matter? 217 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: So a lot of it has been setting kind of 218 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 5: setting the table some some basic fundamental understanding of what's happening. 219 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's good. 220 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: That's something that like I guess from from you and 221 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: me perspective, who like we're like, what are you talking 222 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: about Canada's King of the Doe? 223 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: Like what do you mean? You don't know? You know 224 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 225 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: But that is a reality, like you know, sometimes we 226 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: find ourselves too. Like when we were driving today or 227 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: yesterday on purpose, I rolled down from where I live 228 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: in East Lost to Long Beach to real ones. We 229 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: had real ones yesterday, Uh, with my window down because 230 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: I just wanted to see, let me just see, like 231 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: it's is this does the city field the way I 232 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: think it does about not like us? And it was like, yeah, 233 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: every car you know what I mean, Like every car 234 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: as I'm driving down was playing this song because we 235 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: come from a place that is steeped in the culture 236 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: of making bangers for the coast, you know what I mean, 237 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Like whether you I mean like Chili Peppers made bangers 238 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: for the coast, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 239 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: so we just have that history, and so that's something 240 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: that like if you're you know, to to Drake's like 241 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: in his defense, it's like, well, we don't have that history, 242 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm doing like I'm 243 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: breaking a lot of. 244 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: Ground here, guys. 245 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: You know so, yes, you know so in his defense, now, 246 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: obviously I would never ask you to like I would 247 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: never ask you to to to be fraudulent to your soil. 248 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: I would never ask you to do that. So I wouldn't. 249 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going this is not this conversation like this, 250 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: you know for the listener. 251 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: I would never do. 252 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: That to Miami, Like I would never do that to you, 253 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, Like like if you ask me, like how 254 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: I feel about like why somebody white ask me how 255 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I feel about OJ, I would be like, well, I 256 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: ain't gonna say it on no recording but but I. 257 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: Know, I. 258 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Know what I think Joe said, like. 259 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: You're spare, You're sparing me what you know, we all 260 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: we all know. 261 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: Yes, we're yeah, yeah, yeah, we're sparing that. 262 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: But I think, so here's here's the conversation we want 263 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: to ask, Like I want to like, obviously, we want 264 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: to talk about politics, because that's what this show is about. 265 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: And what I always believe is that like there is 266 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: a there's a sophistication in the conversation that's happening in 267 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: hip hop and in black culture and period that can 268 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: be a microcosm to what's happening in the world right So, 269 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: so in our in our group text, we were talking 270 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: about like attention spans and like, you know, is is 271 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: it to Kendrick's detriment to be so cerebral in the 272 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: sense that and is it to Drake's advantage to be 273 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: more digestible? So like you were, you were waxing a 274 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: little philosophical on that. I'll just let you kind of like, yeah, 275 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, pop off on that. 276 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the funniest part of the discourse to me. 277 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: So far, we're seeing people online like I'm genuinely concerned 278 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: for people's reading comprehension levels if they think that euphoria 279 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: wasn't crazy, you know what I mean. 280 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there, you know, there's that part of it. 281 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 5: Because when you talk about battles, you know, one of 282 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 5: the things that's so interesting about it is the intricacy. Right, 283 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: We're talking about two mcs going at it, and if 284 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: you don't have the attention span or the willingness to 285 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 5: engage deeply with what people are saying, then you're losing 286 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 5: the beauty and the value of this whole exercise. 287 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 3: Right, This is what it's about. 288 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 5: It is about MC sparring with skill, and so if 289 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 5: you're not willing to engage with that, then something is lost. 290 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: Now. 291 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: The other piece that there wasn't in a group text, 292 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 5: to me is the social media aspect, where one piece 293 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 5: of what somebody says can become the whole conversation. 294 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: And again, now we're no longer engaging with all of what. 295 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 5: Somebody said, right, So I feel like that's also happened 296 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: to this battle, is it's been reduced a little bit 297 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 5: to like two three lines or talking points, when really 298 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 5: both of these guys went in and brought a whole 299 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 5: lot of effort and a whole lot of lyrics. We 300 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 5: got like six six minute songs on our hands to 301 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 5: like parse through. So that's the other part to me, 302 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 5: you know, in terms of attention span and general cognitive abilities, 303 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 5: you know, being applied or not applied to. 304 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, there's definitely like, uh, in my 305 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: own in my own mind equating to like a magic 306 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: and Bird, you know type situation, because part of uh, 307 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: A big piece of California's disdain for Larry Bird was 308 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: that he's so good, Like you get like he's an 309 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: undeniably amazing basketball player, and it's like and that's part 310 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: of why we hate him, you know what I'm saying, 311 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: So like that, So in this but that as a 312 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: basketball fan, you know, to to make a comparison, if 313 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: you are a fan of basketball, I don't care if 314 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: you bleed purple and gold. Of course, it's like I 315 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: hate the Celtics, But in that hate for them is 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: a deep respect for that. 317 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: That's a perfect analogy. 318 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 5: That's a you can't actually have that strong feeling of 319 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 5: hate without. 320 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: If the if they trash, yeah, if they trash yeah yeah. 321 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: So like no, it's like, you know, it's he's an 322 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: amazing incredible hit maker. For the comparison here, I'm wondering 323 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: it is has y'alls. We could say in America, our 324 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: political discourse has evolved into the two to three minute 325 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: meme and. 326 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: Clip. Is it the same up there? 327 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 5: It's the same up here. We're like a little bit Listen, 328 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 5: this is how I explain it. In Canada, we like 329 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 5: to think of ourselves as less of that culture, uh huh. 330 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 5: But the truth is, if you were to zoom out 331 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 5: to the whole globe, we're the closest to American culture 332 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 5: of anywhere else. 333 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 334 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 5: So it's like they call it narcissism of small differences. 335 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 5: It's like we define ourselves as so different, but the 336 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 5: truth is we're like actually very similar, very very very similar, 337 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: and something comfortably It's called narcissism of small differences. 338 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: It's a good one man. 339 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 340 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 5: So it's it explains sort of like Protestants and Catholics fighting, Right, 341 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 5: You zoom out from that, and it's like almost laughable, 342 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 5: Like these are the two most similar people obviously, yeah right, 343 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: but if you were to ask them, they'd be like, none. 344 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 4: Of you're nothing like them. Yeah, we are nothing like them. 345 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: Bro, that's crazy, Like I've heard an interview, is it 346 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: Dax Shepherd, I think where he was like, yeah, Pete 347 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Holmes's podcast. He was like, okay, so just keep zooming out. 348 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: So you zoom out and your aliens looking at us 349 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, that's crazy. Those hairless monkeys when they 350 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: make this sound, these other ones get angry and they 351 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: make these explosions. I wonder what that sound is, Like, 352 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: what is that sound that they make that makes the 353 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: other ones make explosions? Like you know, when you che 354 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: the camera loud it up, that's crazy. Anyway, I cut 355 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: you off exactly exactly. 356 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 5: So I do think we are we are the same culture, 357 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 5: like by and large, you know what I mean, we 358 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: are still we are social media culture. We're all that. 359 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 5: We just have some other influences. So you know, if 360 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 5: you look at say the political sphere for example, yeah, 361 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 5: you know, we still we have the very similar discourse 362 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 5: right left, the division all of that. But a little 363 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 5: bit of a difference is in our politics we hate celebrity. 364 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we hate celebrity. 365 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that's I wish we had that. 366 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 5: And I don't know exactly the difference is, but yeah, 367 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 5: but as it relates to this beef. It's like, yeah, 368 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 5: I think it's the same culture and there's this that's 369 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 5: there's that same discourse going on about our. 370 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: People really engaging with the with the whole thing. 371 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 5: Because when this started, before this started, I was thinking, 372 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: you know what, Drake's style really applies better to a 373 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 5: battle like this, because when it comes to just a 374 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 5: straight up battle, it's like Drake is so clever and witty, 375 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 5: and he's got the flows and he has that songwriting 376 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 5: gift of like those lines people are gonna remember, whereas 377 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 5: Kendrick's gift seems more to be you know, as a 378 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: recording artist, as a performer conceptually artistically. That was my 379 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 5: feeling at the outset. But you know, Kendrick displayed. I 380 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: think Kendrick surprised everybody in terms of what he displayed 381 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 5: with this, like yeah, he's got this, he's got it 382 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 5: for battling. He's he's got and we saw hints of 383 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: it with control and you know, backseat reestylli of stuff. 384 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 5: But I still, before going in, I would have been like, yeah, no, 385 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 5: like Drake A he's very battle tested, whereas who's dumb 386 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 5: enough to go at Kendrick? 387 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 388 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: And and b He's got that very straightforward understandable. 389 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he can make yeah, yeah, that was 390 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: my thought. 391 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: I was like, Drake can make songs like these will 392 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: be battle songs. I was like bar in my mind, 393 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: I was like bar for Barr, Like it's because of way. 394 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: We think about him. 395 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Seeing I was like, ah, nah man, like I think 396 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: bar for I was thinking bar for Park Kendricks gonn 397 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: mop the floor with him. But if we're going song 398 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: for song, this might be different. You know what I mean, 399 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna give us something that we're gonna Who's gonna 400 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: give us the ether? Who's gonna give us the anthem? 401 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 402 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: And me and you're right, Like I like as a 403 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: fan of rap, like West Coast bias aside as a 404 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: fan of rap, I was like, I did not the 405 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: angles for which Kendrick took. This was like, okay, you 406 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: you you went into another gear that I didn't know 407 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: you had, you know, and didn't didn't didn't know it, 408 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't know yet. Yeah and and and and I think 409 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: it was interesting to your point, like this being a 410 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: new era. Like somebody reminded me recently that like the 411 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: the space between Takeover and Ether was six months and 412 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: they were on albums. 413 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? 414 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: Like like that's how that's how how far apart it 415 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: was right. 416 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 5: And we got this weekend, you know, by the end 417 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 5: of it by Sunday night. A lot of the conversation 418 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 5: online was like, Yo, I'm exhausted, Yo. 419 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 4: It's tired, Yeah, tired. 420 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, like I'm tired. I 421 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: can't keep up with the group text like I'm tired, yes, 422 00:24:41,680 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: pray oh man, So I think live okay, So I 423 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: don't have much more time with you, but so I 424 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: want to really cut to the chase here as far 425 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: as uh like when we say, like when Kendrick says, 426 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: this is how the culture feels, and then so we 427 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: have to be like, well, who or what is that 428 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: that's been something that's been Who's the arbiter of it? 429 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: Like how do we decide like is there an actual 430 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: border around what we mean by culture? 431 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: Who's in, who's out? You know? And then. 432 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: Which obviously is a is a bigger conversation about what 433 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: we mean by blackness, you know, because that's been a 434 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: very good to me, like an important thing at Reckoning 435 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: if you will that we need to talk about just 436 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: a hip hop and in black culture in period. Because 437 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: obviously when when we say well, I don't want to 438 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: end to the question already, but when we say culture, 439 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: we mean a lot more than just rap. It's not 440 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: just hip hop, and it's not necessarily melanin. Right, it's 441 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: not necessary because nobody's questioning j Cole's blackness, like you say, 442 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: just light skin. So if you were to try your 443 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: best to be on your version of PBS, what is 444 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: it CBC? 445 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? And somebody was like, hey, 446 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: so what's what's the culture? 447 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 5: Yes? Wow, So this is a great question. I think 448 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 5: like in the aftermath, when the dust settles, this is 449 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 5: the stuff, this is the stuff that this battle has 450 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: brought to light. 451 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 3: The people are going to be parking out right, Okay, So. 452 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 5: I'm going to try to answer your question speaking about 453 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 5: Drake specifically, because he's such an interesting case. Okay, Yes, 454 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 5: Drake in Canada before he signed Young Money and everything, 455 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 5: he was getting checked about these exact same things within Canada. 456 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: Wow. 457 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 4: Okay, Right, Because. 458 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 5: Like you said, culture is not just skin color. It's 459 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: a lot of things. Right, So the case of Drake. Yes, 460 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: he's light skin. Yeah, came up in the acting teen 461 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 5: drama world. So that's outside of the culture, that's outside 462 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 5: of hip hop. He didn't come we didn't get to 463 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 5: know him first in hip hop. We came to get 464 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 5: to know him first in mainstream teen drama. 465 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 3: Okay. So that's outside. Then the neighborhood. 466 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: The neighborhood conversation was interesting to begin with in Canada 467 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 5: because in I think his high school years at least, 468 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 5: if not maybe a bit younger, he lived in one 469 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: of the most affluent neighborhoods in Canada. Now he lived 470 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: there in the basement apartment or in some sort of 471 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 5: apartment with his mother. But so it's like there's complications 472 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 5: and nuances. 473 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: His father. So okay. So blackness in Canada. 474 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, which we were ultimately going to get to. Yeah, 475 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: like because that's super curious to me. 476 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: So then that's a whole other thing, right, So blackness 477 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 3: in Canada, Okay. 478 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 5: We have in Canada descendants of Slavery mm hmm. That's 479 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: a black population, and we have a lot of immigrants, okay. 480 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 5: So there's there's little pockets all throughout Canada of people 481 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 5: that came to Canada through the underground railroad in some place. 482 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: In some places like or or we're fought on the side. 483 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 5: Of the British in the Civil War and we're rewarded 484 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 5: with land in Canada. So you have black people that 485 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: are like six seven generations black Canadians. Okay, you have that. 486 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 5: Then you have immigration from the Caribbean, which has flavored 487 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 5: a lot of what we consider kind of the black 488 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 5: Canadian identity. A lot of it is colored by that 489 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 5: because that's a major thing. You have African immigration, like myself. 490 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so. 491 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 5: Drake is none of those things exactly. Drake has a 492 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 5: black American father who's deep in the culture and a 493 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 5: white white Canadian mother Jewish mother. 494 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 495 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 5: So all of this to say from the culture standpoint, 496 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 5: Drake was getting checked on this from Jump within Canada, 497 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: within Canada, right, but. 498 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: He overcame that largely, you know what I'm saying. 499 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 5: Like because of years, you know, decade and a half 500 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 5: of hits of work with all all sorts of artists 501 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 5: that are deep in the caulture. 502 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: And then now Kendrick is calling into question. 503 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 5: That he's saying now but so okay, so you got 504 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 5: accepted into the culture but did you get accepted into 505 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 5: the culture. 506 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: Because you kind of paid your way. 507 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, by. 508 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 5: Co sign and by ingratiating yourself and by using you know, 509 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 5: it's the real nuances of cultural appropriation, right like, because 510 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 5: of course culture, to me, cultures meant to be shared facts, 511 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 5: cultures meant to be shared. The question is just in 512 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 5: that sharing, in that exchange, what's the power dynamics, who's benefiting, 513 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 5: who's getting shine, who's getting celebrated, all of those dynamics 514 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 5: within that very natural exchange. So this is a long 515 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 5: winded answer to your question. 516 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: No, it's perfect. 517 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: Like to try to. 518 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 5: Answer it through Drake, I think is the most helpful 519 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 5: because Drake is just and I also don't do not 520 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 5: believe in faulting people for just who they are and 521 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 5: who they're born at you know what I'm saying, Like, 522 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 5: that's not cool at all. But this battle does raise 523 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 5: this question of what exactly is Drake's relationship to the culture? 524 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 5: Is it? 525 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: And and. 526 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 5: Exactly what exactly is Drake's relationship to the culture. 527 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: Isn't fair if you if. 528 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 5: You were to take my guess, and again I'm trying 529 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 5: to put my my local bias aside. I think Drake 530 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 5: is first of first, almost a very good rapper period, 531 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 5: so that you know, in terms of relationship for the culture, 532 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 5: he respects it in the sense that he's good at it. Yes, 533 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 5: he learned the crap and he became good. I think 534 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 5: he has genuine. 535 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 4: Love for the culture. 536 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 5: But I think there is something to be investigated because 537 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 5: he's become not just the biggest artist in. 538 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: The culture, but like too big to fail. 539 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 540 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, And once you get to that status, I think 541 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 5: it is only fair that we we ask we take 542 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 5: a look at what is your relationship to the culture. 543 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 5: Who is benefiting all of these things that are important 544 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 5: to look at, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so that's 545 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 5: a very long winded answer. 546 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 4: No, it's great. 547 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: I think yeah, there's a lot. 548 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like there's these I think about, like you know, 549 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: myself as an example, or just lahoods in general, Like 550 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: in most in almost every black or brown neighborhood, there's 551 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: a dirt, poor white family that lived across the street, 552 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, and know what, ever thinks twice about them, right, 553 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: because they're just here, you know. And I think that 554 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: there's a shared experience to where you learn norms that 555 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: come with a shared experience. 556 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That to me is my 557 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: best attempt at it. 558 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: Like I grew up black and Latino neighborhoods, there was 559 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: a lot of Mexican, a lot of Filipinos, but I 560 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: for me, it was like, because I had such proximity 561 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: with them, I know which parts of these conversations I'm 562 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: not a part of, like that like this is this 563 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: is actually none of my business. 564 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: Like I feel connected to y'all. 565 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I understand what you're saying, but I 566 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: also understand that it would be disrespectful for me to 567 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: move this way. And it's because I know you well 568 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: enough you know what I'm saying. So I think at 569 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: that to me is what speaks to the idea of 570 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: like to use Drake as an example, like the a 571 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: man I don't know, but like a longing for belonging 572 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: or acceptance of something that feels like I in a 573 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways, like I miss out on this, but 574 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: it's really what I've always loved, you know, so, but 575 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: since you missed out, there's a lot of like I 576 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: crave being a part of what I've always wanted to 577 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: be a part of, rather than already being there and 578 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: then knowing that like hey, some stuff is like it's 579 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: not my place, you know what I'm saying, yes, And 580 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: that being said, it's like another comparison I think about 581 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: it is like, like you said, culture is meant to 582 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: be shared. I'm like, if you come to my house, 583 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: I am going to open the door with I'm gonna 584 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: show you hospitality. I want to show you things that 585 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: we've done. This is our food. Here, sit down, have 586 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: a meal, let me make you some coffee. But I 587 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: also don't expect you to be like that's a dopefrigerator. 588 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy it off you like what you know, 589 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: or hey, let me cook this, you know, and then like, 590 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: well you're in my house, man likes, why are your 591 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: shoes off with your feet up on my couch? Like 592 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: you just my g you just got here, Like you 593 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: don't know that you that's not how you act at 594 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: somebody's house, you know. 595 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: So I feel like those are. 596 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: The signs, you know, to make me be like these 597 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: are those like grayish like kind of edges of like 598 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: where it's not like a hard border, but these edges 599 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: of nuance that makes me say, like you're right, I can't. 600 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: I can't draw a bubble around what we mean by culture. 601 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: But there are norms, there are understandings, you know that 602 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: makes us say, hey, this, maybe I should keep my 603 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: mouth shutting this. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 604 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: I might have an opinion, but maybe I should keep 605 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: my mouth. Maybe this is not a move that were 606 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: I indigenous, I would understand that this move. Wow powerful, 607 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Wow, it's smart because I, like, 608 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Drake has never made a dumb move, 609 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, except for the AI POC thing, but like, 610 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: you know, but besides that, I don't think like I 611 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: don't think he's never made a dump. It's never been 612 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: dumb like this is Actually he does great business. It's 613 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: just in out not our rules, but our norms. These 614 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: are not moves we make against each other because of 615 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: a shared experience. 616 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: You know. 617 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 5: That's listen. I agree one hundred percent. It is not 618 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 5: hard borders. It's a conversation to be had. Yeah, always 619 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 5: with culture, just to make sure culture is being respected, 620 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 5: just to make sure that people are benefiting equally, right, 621 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 5: And so when someone gets to the level of Drake 622 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 5: where they're that big and also now in the economics 623 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 5: of the music industry kind of like too big to 624 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: fail and such a massive out, sort of out of 625 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 5: proportion piece of the whole pie. You got to have 626 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 5: that conversation. Now, to me, the other piece with culture 627 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 5: that you got to talk about that Kendrick highlights and 628 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 5: that a lot of fans in hip hop have highlighted, 629 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 5: is that when you are within hip hop, when we're 630 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 5: talking about the greatest MC's of all time. 631 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 4: Yes, one of the rightsier. 632 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: Within hip hop talk to me is. 633 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: Do you speak on things? 634 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 5: Yes, it's a matter of substance that matter to this 635 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 5: ongoing struggle that we're in. 636 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 637 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: Do you speak to that? 638 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 639 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Hawk is on people's Mount Rushmore because he 640 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 5: obviously wasn't always speaking to that. 641 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 4: But at moments he didn't speak to Yes. 642 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 5: Jay wasn't always speaking to that, but at moments he 643 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 5: was speaking to that, right, and so on down the 644 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 5: list of the greatest of all time. 645 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: Right. 646 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 5: So again, I'm I'm a Toronto resident, I'm a Canadian guy, 647 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 5: you know, so I understand our experience. 648 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: I understand our black experience. 649 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 5: I think Drake is a great practitioner of art form 650 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 5: and I think they he is a person who genuinely 651 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 5: loves hip hop. 652 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 4: I do too, yeah, deeply, but. 653 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 5: He hasn't done those things within the culture, like speaking 654 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 5: to you know, what's going on. And then again, when 655 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 5: you talk about culture, you also got to talk about 656 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 5: the economics and the benefits and who gets the benefits. Yeah, 657 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 5: and that's just open. That's just these things are just 658 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 5: the open conversation. You got to have that conversation. Look 659 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 5: at it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And the 660 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 5: battle brings those things to life. 661 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way that like, uh yeah, the idea 662 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: that like this battle wasn't just wasn't only I'm doper 663 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: than you. It was you need to get help and 664 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: you're and you know and and like and the other 665 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: one was like the people around you don't trust you. 666 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: You're you know, like you know, you like, where's your 667 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: entertainment value? Like it's just such a bigger I was like, wow, 668 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: you know that I would love to see and to 669 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: bring it around the politics, and we're running out of 670 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: time because of the show. I would love to see 671 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: like this sort of level of reckoning in not just 672 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: how we do government or how we do governing, but 673 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: how we campaign and discuss politics. 674 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because. 675 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: The idea of like really dissecting and saying what does 676 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: this person stand for? And what we've been seeing here 677 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: recently is like everybody's kind of over the like the 678 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: TMZ of it all, like the gossip of it all. 679 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: Like while I'm over the allegations and stuff like that, 680 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: We'll let the fense figure that out. I'm interested in 681 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: what type of man are you? What is your strategy, 682 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: and how do you want to see our genre, our world, 683 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: our culture, our people move forward? Like what is your 684 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: desire for that? 685 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 3: I love that you brought it circle to that. 686 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 5: One thing I always bring up about battling is the 687 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 5: first battle that I was in, And I've heard Kanye 688 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 5: tell a very similar story. First battle I was in, 689 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 5: I learned more than anything taught me about hip hop, 690 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 5: about being a performer, about being an artist. Because what 691 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 5: I realized that it all came down to, without going 692 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 5: into the whole story, what I really realized it all 693 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 5: came down to is it's not about my opponent. It's 694 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 5: about the audience, and it's about communicating. Who can communicate 695 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 5: and connect with the audience more and What that comes 696 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 5: down to is who can convey something that's going to 697 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 5: connect with them, that's going to make them ultimately support 698 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 5: you more than they support the other person. That might 699 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 5: be that might be giving voice to a level of 700 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 5: aggression that they feel, might be being more charming and 701 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 5: eloquent and funny than you know what I'm saying and 702 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 5: touching them in that way, Or it might be demonstrating 703 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 5: that you are the stronger, more grounded person with more 704 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 5: integrity of all of it. So, but it's all about 705 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 5: striking a chord with the people, right, So I like 706 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 5: that you. I like that you bring it back around 707 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 5: to politics, Like that's. 708 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 3: What, Yeah, that's who do we believe in? 709 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 5: And yes, like it feels like battles do that more 710 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 5: quickly and effectively and illuminate the issues, you know what 711 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 5: I'm saying, better than political debates do. Like we have 712 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 5: all these debates and it feels like the truth has 713 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 5: never come into the surface. 714 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: Never ever. 715 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: It's just a whole bunch of yeah, so you, but you, 716 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: but you. But when it comes to the surface, we 717 00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: can really make a decision. 718 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 5: We can really make a decision, and then battles it's like, nah, 719 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 5: it just comes to the surface right away. Yes, we 720 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 5: believe you, or we don't believe you. Yes, we like 721 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 5: you or we don't like you. It's just facts. 722 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 3: It's just so yeah. 723 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 2: Man, man, thank you. 724 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: I know you got a hard out in two minutes, 725 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: so I just want to say thank you for doing this. 726 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: Our Canadian correspondent following him at shad K Music. Right, 727 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: that's right, shad K Music. Please go peep the whole catalog. 728 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: Peep Hip Hop Evolution. It's done right, like, no more 729 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: of those. 730 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: It's done. It's done. But there's some there's some good 731 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: stuff too about battles in that. 732 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, oh yeah, yeah there are yeah, So 733 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: please go peep that. It's on Netflix. And thank you 734 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: so much for your time. And this was probably one 735 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: of the most succinct episodes we've ever had. 736 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 3: Thank you, my man. 737 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: All Right, all right, bro, all right, now, don't you 738 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: hit stop on this pod. 739 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 2: You better listen to these credits. I need you to 740 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 2: finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay, 741 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 2: so don't stop it yet, but listen. 742 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: This was recorded in East Lost Boil Heights by your 743 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: boy Propaganda tap in with Me at prop Hip hop 744 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: dot com. If you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got 745 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: Terraform Coldbrew. 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Your theme 756 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: music and scoring is also by the one and nobly 757 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: mattow Sowski. Still killing the beats softly, So listen, don't 758 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living, 759 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you. 760 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.