1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. The government sent out a notice that 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: they're looking for mechanics. Did you see the notice about 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: there looking for mechanics. All of a sudden, the country 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: has realized that there is a shortage of trained automobile technicians. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: And like, now you just woke up to this, and 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: I think that makes you go the car doctor. I 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: want your opinion because I don't understand how a fuel 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: pump can put pressure too high, the sense that tells 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: the computer to tell the mobs or what to do, right, 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: because this is a returnless system, so they're looking at 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: fuel real pressure. Welcome to the radio home of ron 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: and Anian, the Car Doctor, since this is where car 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage to 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: orders are open. But I am here to take your 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: call at eight five five and now he running well, 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Heidi ho and welcome to the car Doctor. Run Ananian 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: your service. Um, what a week in the shop right, 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: It's it's always great in July because the shop is 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: air conditioned, and even so when it's a hundred and 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: two degrees out on the tarmac, tarmac out in front 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: of the shop. Maybe it's hot outside and you're struggling 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: just to try and stay hydrated and keep cool and 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: and and get the cars done. And it's just like 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: a wall of heat when you walk out in front 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: of the shop on these days. And uh, you know, 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't make me miss January though, because I take 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: the heat over January when it's you know, the wind's 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: howling and it's twenty below. So but welcome, welcome to July. Everybody. Um, 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: I hope you're taking care of your car. I hope 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: your condition he is working well. Uh. Some of the requests, 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: some of the comments, some of the questions that we're getting, Um, 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: you know, I noticed that a lot of you are 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: you're driving older cars, you're fixing older cars, you're attempting 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: to fix older cars. We had a couple this week 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: in the shop. We had a ninety five Chevy S 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: ten pick up that had a eighty one thousand miles 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: on it and it had a slew of problems. It 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: had a misfire on cylinder five, It had an O 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: two heater circuit fault, It had a purge fault, in 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: the evap emission system. It had some oil leaks, which 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't worry so much about oil leaks 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: on older vehicles, keeps the chassis from rusting, depending on 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: how bed of a leak it is. Power steering hose 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: had a pretty good leak in it. Kind of nasty. Uh. 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: There were some other things going on with it as 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: far as the air conditioning. The somebody had replaced the 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: air conditioning compressor prior to us. This is our first 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: time seeing the vehicle, and this was the old R 51 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: four round rotary compressor style, and typically when those failed, 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: they grenade it internally and they put metal through the system. Well, 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: it had the original condenser. The condenser hadn't been replaced, 54 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming the orifice tube was not replaced because 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: it was out of refrigerant. I pulled a vacuum on it. 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: It held. Vacuum doesn't necessarily mean the system does not 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: have leaks, as we found out, because you know, testing 58 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: a system under vacuum versus testing a system under pressure 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: is two different things, very different circumstances. And it passed 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: a vacuum test. Put some refrigerant in it, and sure enough, 61 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: the highside service port. The ball seat valve was leaking 62 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: and we couldn't get it to receipts, so you know, 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: we knew we had a leak there. I put a 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: cap on it for the purpose of testing. I want 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: to see if the system would be blow cold. And 66 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: it pulled it into a vacuum. It pulled low side 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: into a vacuum high sight pressure one high, which tells 68 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: me there's a restriction in the system. So or if 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: his tube or or condenser or both, okay, one of 70 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: one of two or three of the combination of and 71 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: what do you do with a vehicle like that? You 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: know you've got to break this down. This guy wants 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: to drive the car. He said, Hey, you know it 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: was my dad's car. My dad passed. I want to 75 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: keep it as a testimony to your father, even though 76 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: my wife doesn't want to do that. And you know, listen, 77 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: one of the things I've learned as I've gotten older 78 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: is you know, you've got to listen to what everybody's saying. 79 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: And um, when the wife says, don't keep the vehicle, boy, 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you know that sort of takes precedent over everything. So 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to make it happy. I wanted to make 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: his wife happy. I wanted to be happy. Why not? 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: And I figured, let me attack this thing the most 84 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: logical way I know how to me. Out of all 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the faults with it, between the oil leaks and the 86 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: power steering league and the air conditioning problem and the 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: O two codes and the perch, the misfire fault was 88 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: the most predominant. The misfire on cylinder five was the worst. 89 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: And you know, listen, if if it's got a misfire 90 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: and it turns out to be something mechanical on the 91 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: eighty thousand mile vehicle, that's almost let's see, it's almost 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: twenty seven going on thirty years old. Depending on what 93 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: your perspective is. Um, you're not going to fix an 94 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: engine on something that old. We won't have the conversation 95 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: about there's no place to get it fixed anyway. But 96 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: this is a four point three motor with the central 97 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: port injector. This has one injector with a little plastic 98 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: poppet valves in it that was so notorious to fail 99 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: back in the day when more of these room the land. 100 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: And you know, could it be a bad injector, No, 101 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: it coulda be a bad poppet sticking open because the 102 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: misfire wasn't there all the time time. It was only 103 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: there when the engine was called when you first started it, 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: and somebody had been in there prior to us. You 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: could see new cap rotor wires, new spark plugs. Somebody 106 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: was working on a trying to solve the misfire, but 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: they hadn't come down to the final solution yet. And 108 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: I tell you this story because you know, I want 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: you to see where my line of thinking was going. 110 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: And if you disagreed, let me know in that. You know, 111 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: let's assume it's not ignition. All the parts are knew, 112 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: it was all Delco stuff. It was all looked like 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: it was properly installed. That ins any issues that way. 114 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Fuel trim looked normal. I didn't see any issues with 115 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: fuel trim as I was watching it. This is a 116 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: nine vehicle, so it was the first year O B 117 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: D two. I was using my O B D two scanner. 118 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting too fancy as far as tools were concerned. 119 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: But I you know, number five was the miss Number 120 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: five was and it was only their cold well back 121 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: in the day when there were more four point three's 122 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: out there. When the head gas gets failed. They would 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: always fail cold, it seemed, and it was usually the 124 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: less owner on the driver's side, number five. So I 125 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: thought about it and I explained it to the customer. 126 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I said, listen, here's how we're going to attack this. 127 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, to do a head gasket on a vehicle 128 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: of this age, you can't just do one side. You 129 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: can't just do both sides. You're gonna You're gonna pull 130 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: the engine out. It's leaking oil. You know, we don't 131 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: know what oil consumption is. If any, we don't know 132 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: much about it. You've got to rebuild the engine. To 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: put an engine in anything today is easily four to 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: five grand on this thirty year old. I just want 135 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: to make this vehicle for my father to be a 136 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: testimony to my father, a monument, which I told him, 137 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: I said, you can park it on the front, lun 138 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: take a picture to be just as good a monument. 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: His wife liked that IDEA bottle of k seal. I said, 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: let's put a bottle of k seal in it. I 141 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: explained it to him that k Seal is a great 142 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: cooling system sealer. It works well with head gasket issues 143 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: such as this. If it's seeping all right, and that's 144 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: where we left it. I poured a bottle of K 145 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Seal in it. I'm waiting to hear back the results. 146 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: And here's my argument. If K seal fixes this vehicle 147 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: and it no longer misfires cold, then we know it's 148 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: a head gasket issue. And now he can make a determination. 149 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Does he want to go ahead with the other stuff 150 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: for some reason? And I don't. I don't think it 151 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: will not fix the head gasket issue or if it's 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: something else. And that's how much confidence I have in Casey. 153 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: If if the misfire is still there, I'm gonna start 154 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: to look towards fuel because it's not going to be 155 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: a head gasket issue. But my point is, for under 156 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: a hundred bucks, I was able to come to a 157 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: diagnostic conclusion and say, hey, it's either a head gasket 158 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: or it's gonna be something else if the problem continues. 159 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Got that old car out of the way. More info 160 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: at casey dot com. By the way, the next one 161 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: that rolled in the door. This is the Week of 162 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Old Cars. Two Buick Roadmaster, a thirty year old vehicle 163 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: with two five thousand miles on it. I don't know, 164 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I must have a sign out front that says, bring me, 165 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: you're tired, your weary, you're old, your old car. I 166 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: guess I you know I should stand like this with 167 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: the tour I could be Mr Statue of Liberty. This 168 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: one had a bad axle bearing on the right side rear, 169 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's staggering to me. I said 170 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: to my wife, I said, you know, I must be 171 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: getting old because I'm working on all these cars from 172 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: around the time when I was, you know, breaking in 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: when I was in the industry ten or twelve years, 174 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm seeing the cars that 175 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I worked on then now and the frustration is as 176 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: in the case of this Buick Roadmaster that needed an 177 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: axle bearing, well it had chewed up the axle and 178 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't get an axle shift for it. Obviously GM 179 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make them anymore. UM, I've tried and listen before 180 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: anybody writes me fourteen emails, because I know you guys 181 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: love to write emails about the things that think you 182 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: would have done. Before anybody has any comments about axle savers. 183 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: If you've got an axle saver, and axle saver takes 184 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: the bearing and relocates it to a different part of 185 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: the existing bad axle shift the axle shaft that's all 186 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: chewed up. Take that axle saver and use as a 187 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: paperweight on your desk. You'll get more life out of 188 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: it because I've done the ax savor routine and typically 189 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: within a year of fourteen once it comes back to 190 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: bite you. And it's not what I consider a permanent fix. 191 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: I did a little research Dormant more info at Dormant 192 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Products dot com. Dorman is making axle chefts and I 193 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: was able to order an axle chaft for the right 194 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: side rear through my suppliers from Dormant. Came direct popped in, 195 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: nice axle, nice studs, all the parts you need to 196 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: put it in. I got that one back on the road, 197 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: And I guess the point of this open and the 198 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: point of this conversation is that as these vehicles get older, 199 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: we've got to start to think outside the box of 200 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: traditional repair. We've got to look, you know, and certainly 201 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Dormant is not outside the realm of traditional repair. Dormant 202 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: is definitely a part supplier in this day and age 203 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: as they've always been. UM but k c O was 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: a little different on the head, guest, get issue car. Um, 205 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: you know GM doesn't make the part. Go look at 206 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: dormant all right, you can find them online, like I said, 207 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Dormant Products dot Com. You know, we've got to if 208 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: we're going to keep old cars going, we've got to 209 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: look in places we may not traditionally look the very 210 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: first time and then get used to it, because there's 211 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: clearly a market for old cars. There's clearly a demand 212 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and a need for parts, especially when you look at 213 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the fact that there's no cars left to sell in 214 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: the dealers. I went by the one dealer that I 215 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: always typically go by, UM here in New Jersey, and 216 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: I think he's increased the number of cars on a 217 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: lot from one to four. This week, he's got four 218 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: new vehicles out front. I can't imagine the price tag 219 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: on him. Um. You know, I just I look at 220 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: the market premium. I don't know how the dealers are 221 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: staying in business. I really don't. I think I think 222 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: they deserve a tribute of some kind because they're struggling 223 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, as we all are, so just 224 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: just just amazing stuff. Anyway, let's let's pull over, take 225 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: a pause, say Het Mr Tom, Mr Tom, Um, you're 226 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: looking well in ship or today? Everything good up there, 227 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: everything's happy. Yeah, So dog sleeping and you're looking out 228 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: the window and rather than looking at you, which is 229 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: a better thing. So how do we say that? Stayed again? 230 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: Which date? The one where we we have a new 231 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: affiliate coming up in two weeks? Right? Nevada, it's not Nevada, 232 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: it's Nevada. Nevada, Nevada, right, Nevada. So I learned how 233 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: to say Nevada this week, everybody, So, yes, I did. 234 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: I had to do it right. I said it right. 235 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: So I said that Nevada. Um. I got to the 236 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: point where I couldn't talk anymore. Talk so it sounded 237 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: like I was from Baston five five zero zero zero. 238 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: Run any of the car Doctor coming back right after 239 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: this for the best in car advice. Give Ron a 240 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: call eight five five five six zero nine nine zero 241 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: zero now back Iran. Hey, let's uh, let's go over 242 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: to Jimmy and Virginia and have some questions about your 243 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: royal Jimmy. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can 244 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: I help? Oh? Thank you for having me. You're welcome, sir. 245 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: What's going on? U? Um? I want to talk about 246 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: differential fluid. I have a three part question, if you'll 247 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: allow me sure, I'm having a little trouble, all right, 248 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm big on preventive maintenance on all my cars, and 249 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm having a little trouble finding the exact viscostity for 250 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: the fluid seventy nine and also on one fluid they 251 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: they specifically mentioned hypoid gear oil. Do all fluids have 252 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: hyoid gear in them? I believe that's an additive. I 253 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: believe it has to say it on the on the package. 254 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: I haven't cheese. I haven't heard that term in probably 255 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: fifteen years. Um, you know that's that's it's And what 256 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of vehicles are we talking about, Jimmy, Um, one 257 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: of them, the total, the FJA Cruiser, the front and 258 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: rear differential. You se g L five. Now the transfer 259 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: case it's seventy ninety. It's slightly different. And there it 260 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: mentions a hypoid gear oil, and they're all with GAIL five, right, 261 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: which is a quality rating. I guess right. My understanding 262 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: of hyphoid is it's an additive that's put in the 263 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: gear oil to help prevent wear and other issues that 264 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: could occur. So I think that's an additive package that 265 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: has to be added. As far as the difference between 266 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: seventy eight and seventy five ninety, I think I think 267 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: we're splitting hairs, all right. To be very honest with you, 268 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: all right, UM, you know, well, you know and in 269 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the real world, you know what really happens. Um, I 270 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: can tell you this. I've actually I've I've I'm gonna 271 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: use the word fret frettings on my mind because that's 272 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: another story, but I'm gonna use the word fret. I've 273 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: fretted over gear oil viscosity to the point that I've 274 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: driven myself mad. And a while back I started to 275 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: realize that as I would call dealers for hey, do 276 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: you have seventy eighty five? And then what are you 277 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: working on? And I tell them, not just you seventy nineties? 278 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: What we pour all day long? Um, you know we're 279 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: seventy eighty. What do you pour? We pour seventy nine? 280 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Do that all day long? Um. Three years ago, we 281 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: had to put a differential in a customer's O seven 282 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: Chevy Tahoe a frontip and there were no parts. There 283 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: were no parts available for it. GM discontinued what we needed, 284 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: we can only get bits and pieces. We ended up 285 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: buying a complete rank re manufactured axle from Jasper. Jasper 286 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: makes front differentials and rear differentials as well as their engines. 287 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: And when when we got the Jasper front differential, here's 288 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: a vehicle from the factory that I believe takes seventy 289 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: nineties synthetic gear oil. All right, GM required that or 290 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: that was their recommendation, that's what they wanted. Jazz Per 291 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: cented to us we were putting se conventional gear oil 292 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: in it. And when I asked why, because Jasper determined 293 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: that it was better for the gears and the bearings. 294 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of this is based 295 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: on what the engineers originally thinking, and sometimes with the 296 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: engineer as to originally designed, and I think some of 297 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: it is based on and a lot of it, I'm 298 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: sure obviously friction levels and they're concerned they're trying to 299 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: hit specific fuel economy numbers. They're trying to hit caffeine, 300 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: and that's part of it, because you know, different viscosities 301 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: affect drag and affect friction and affect fuel economy, and 302 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: I think it's something you know that you have to 303 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: look at and consider and say, hey, what's the point 304 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: of practicality one of my favorite one of my favorite 305 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: gear oils. And then I'll let you ask you. The 306 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: next question is go out to go out to ams 307 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: Oil if you want to, if you want to see 308 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: something really nice. Amaz Oil makes something called Severe Gear 309 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: seventy five ninety which is designed for high dressed conditions 310 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: if you're off roading, or you're using it in an 311 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: equipment application, or you want maximum protection. So you know 312 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: there is that option too. You can go look at 313 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: something like that. And that's from the folks over at 314 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: ams Oil. Your second question, okay, Um, Like I said, 315 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm real big on preventing maintenance, and we know weather 316 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: cool is awfu little bit. I'm gonna start changing some 317 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: of these fluids. I was out in the garage looking around. 318 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: I've got two brain new containers of sea anthetic. What 319 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: in the world was I putting that in? And would 320 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: you use that? You're probably putting that You were probably 321 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: putting that in a Ford vehicle. Did you have a Ford? 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: But you're probably right. I've got a thunderbird, but you 323 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: know the Magnulan thunderbird and only specified Yeah, maybe you 324 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: bought it, maybe you bought it for the wrong vehicle. 325 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: Then that typically went in four trucks. It went in 326 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: some GM rear axles. Uh. You know, keep in mind 327 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: that the idea of it's not just the viscosity. Would 328 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you use that if if the application called for it? Sure, um, okay, 329 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: But if not, you wouldn't Because I looked up before 330 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: the fourth set, I don't know what I bought that for. 331 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: Ye I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't just use it 332 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: at random. I'd have to have a reason. You have 333 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: to have an understanding of it. But you know, keep 334 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: in mind what I was gonna say was, it's not 335 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: just the viscosity, it's the base oil that the that 336 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: the fluid is made from mineral oil versus a synthetic 337 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: and then they have some semisynthetic blends. It's synthetic, It's right, right, 338 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: And the point becomes that the the synthetic, the synthetic 339 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: gear oil tends to have a better ability to withstand 340 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: the heat and the torture that the gear oil goes through, 341 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: and you know, helps helps with anti foaming and some 342 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: of the other things that go on. I've had guys 343 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: tell me that when they tell they've caused synthetic fluid 344 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: to evaporate because in their minds, it's thinner and it 345 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: tends to wear out more. And then I've had guys 346 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: tell me that when they've switched to synthetic, they'll change 347 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: the gear oil and they'll find that the synthetic holds 348 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: up better. They see less signs of damage and discoloration 349 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: and overheating and fluid contamination. I really think, and i'll 350 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: close it here. I really think gear oil is probably 351 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: one of the most misunderstood or miss maintained fluids on 352 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: a vehicle today, whether it's in a transmission, transfer case, 353 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: or a differential, front or rear. I think it's something 354 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: that needs regular maintenance. Gear oil is gear oil. I 355 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: don't care what the manufacturer says. It's subject to abuse, corrosion, moisture, contamination, 356 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and it should be changed on a much more frequent 357 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: basis than what I see people doing and what you're 358 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: doing for what your vehicles are. You're going to get 359 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: longer life, you know what. It's just as expensive to 360 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: rebuild a manual transmission, a transfer case, and in some 361 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: cases a differential as it is an't automatic and we 362 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: change automatic transmission fluid on a much more regular basis. 363 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I think I appreciate the call, Jimmy, and I appreciate 364 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: the questions you're thinking. And I like that you give 365 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: as a call back when you need more. I'm runing 366 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: ading in the car doctor. We'll be back right into this. 367 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back running the car doctor here at eight five 368 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: five five zero nine zero zero. Let's go over to 369 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: Paul in Maryland. Some questions on fuel systems. Paul, Welcome 370 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: to the car doctor. Sir, how can I help? Hey? Ron? 371 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: How you doing today? Good man? What's cooking? Good? Good? 372 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: So I got a seven ft two thousand miles UM 373 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: the earlier, I guess it was probably last week. It 374 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: stalled out on me going to work, driving down the road. Uh. 375 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: I was able to get over to the side. UH, 376 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: let it sit for a minute, started back up, and 377 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: I had a pending UM one nine one. It never 378 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: said a hard code, and then that went away, and 379 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: so I just continued to drive it a little bit 380 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and UM. Then now I've got a check engine light on, 381 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: and then I have a P one seven one sing 382 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: lean on bank, lean on bank one? Right? All right? 383 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: Are you there? Okay? Go ahead, Paul. I thought we 384 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: left here for a minute. Go ahead, guy, And so 385 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of wondering where to go. It's I've 386 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: had a fuel pump put in it, and the fuel 387 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: pump driver module has been replaced at least once. All right, 388 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: so you know one nine one is a fuel rail 389 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: pressure sensor performance fault. And what they're doing is and 390 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: when you say it's stalled out, you know, to me, 391 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: stalling is you're sitting in a traffic lighter stop sign 392 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: and it just stalls. Were you traveling at speed when 393 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: it happened. Yeah, I was driving along probably about forty 394 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: five or so in my mind, So we're on the 395 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: same page. Diagnostically speaking, that's cutting out or or you know, 396 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: shutting off at that point. It's not a stall um, 397 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: so you know, could it? And was it that you're 398 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: pushing down on the pedal and it just didn't want 399 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: to accelerate, It didn't want to go anywhere? Um, I 400 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: guess kind of. But then it just cut out completely 401 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: and I put it in the neutral and co hosted. 402 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: So it sort of felt like you were running out 403 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: of fuel. YEA matches the symptom, right, right, So so 404 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: a one nine one is a fault in fuel rail 405 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: pressure sensor performance. Now what they're doing is because this 406 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: is a returnless fuel system, all right. They you know, 407 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: they'll they'll pulse with the pump. They'll run the pump 408 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: up to a certain pressure based on what the fuel 409 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: real pressure sensor says it's got, and based on demand. 410 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you've got your foot through 411 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: the headlights and it sees wide open throttle angle and 412 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: you know, under heavy engine load, it's going, Hey, this 413 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: guy needs all the fuel he can get. It's gonna 414 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: look at the fuel real pressure sensor and say it's 415 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: at thirty five pounds. It's not enough. He needs forty five, 416 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: and it's gonna run the pump more and build up 417 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: pressure all on the blink of an eye, all right. 418 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: So it saw a glitch. It's saw a one nine one, 419 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: and it said, hey, wait a minute, what's going on here? 420 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Could we have an intermittent Could we have an intermittent 421 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: fuel reil pressure sensor? Sure? Could we have a leaking 422 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: fuel rail pressure sensor? Sure? I would I would pull 423 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the electrical plug out of the sensor and just look 424 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: to see is the electrical connector wet is it showing me? 425 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: Is it showing me any signs of fuel? Uh? You know, 426 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: you could also plug in a scan tool with some 427 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: decent capability as long as it's got the ability from 428 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: your make model by manufacturer, and you could actually watch 429 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: fuel pressure by scan tool. And the way you're the 430 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: way you're doing that is you're doing that by you know, 431 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: the computer is looking at the fuel rail pressure sensor. 432 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: That's where that that's where that number comes from. So 433 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: you know, you could do that. Take the vehicle for 434 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: a ride, and if the vehicle feels like it's losing power, 435 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: watch the f RP. Does it does it look like 436 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, does it look like it's losing pressure? Now? 437 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: The other thing is somewhere in that pit list those 438 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: pieces of data you will see it will see um 439 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: desired fuel pressure and actual fuel pressure. So if it's saying, hey, 440 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: I need sixty p s I, you know, and it's 441 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: it's it's only got forty two, it's kind of like 442 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: Captain kirksaying Scotty, I need all warp drive now or 443 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: we're doomed. Uh. You know, it's just saying give me 444 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: all you got, and it just may not be able to. 445 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: If you're seeing sixty and a request is sixty and 446 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: the truck continues to stall, we've got something else going 447 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: on all right now. The one seven one, What I 448 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: would do for that is do you have a scan tool? 449 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: Can can it read data stream? Okay? So what I 450 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: would do is I would go look at fuel trim 451 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: for both banks. Do you understand the theory of fuel 452 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: trim right? Yeah, I'm actually looking at it right now. Okay, 453 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: So watch fuel trim all right. For the sake of 454 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: this conversation and simplicity, a one seven one will set 455 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: on the average vehicle when we have a combined total 456 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: fuel trim of around long and short term. Short term 457 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: is what you had for lunch today. Long term is 458 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: what you've had for lunch the past five days that 459 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: made you want to have lunch, what you did for today? Right, 460 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: So long terms history, short terms present um. When you 461 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: hit bang on seven one happens because Bank one's running lean. 462 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: If bank too has a total fuel trim of well, 463 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: it's set a fault code for it, right, It's gonna 464 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: happen where a right, that's that's that's that's the spec. 465 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: That's the limit. So the mistake everybody makes or it 466 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: can make or may make. And I've I've been there, 467 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: done that. You get mentally you just forget is you 468 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: start looking for things that are affecting Bank one. Go 469 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: look at fuel trim. If if Bank one is the 470 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: only one that's showing over in Bank two is running fourteen, yeah, 471 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of look more at Bank one. What 472 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: are my potential problems there? Do I have plugged injectors? 473 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Do I have a vacuum leak? And then again it 474 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: depends on where the fuel trim is high. If the 475 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: fuel trim is off kilter at idle and it goes 476 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: away as the engine speeds up, I'm gonna look more 477 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: for a vacuum leak. If it's better at idle and 478 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: gets worse as the vehicles going down the road, I'm 479 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna look for something more involved in fuel delivery. If 480 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: it's bank bank to going down the road, I'm gonna 481 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: start to think. Do I have a mass airflow sensor 482 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: under reporting? Do I have an intake boot? You know 483 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: the duct after the mass airflow sensor that's open and 484 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: it's allowing unmetered air to come into the engine and 485 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: create a lean condition. So you know, it's it's it 486 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: all depends on you know, what we're seeing and what 487 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: we're looking for. And then when you eliminate all the 488 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: obvious and everything else that the vehicle has a break booster, 489 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: could the brake booster be contributing to it? You start 490 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: to isolate. Um, you know, you start to think about 491 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: you have to think about things like EVAP. I go 492 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: into the purge valves. Although a purge valve, If a 493 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: purge valve is constantly stuck open, you would think that 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: you would show a rich condition. It would be driving 495 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: fuel trims the other way until until you find where 496 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: the animal shoot on the line down at the canister 497 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: and it's actually drawing fresh air. Um, And it hasn't 498 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: set the EVAP fault first because it's set the lean full. 499 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: It's a it was a long story. It was a 500 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: tough vehicle. It had more than one problem going on. 501 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: So I always look at everything, um, you know, just 502 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: just as food for thought. Last thing you've got when 503 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: you look at your scan tool, do you see a 504 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: pit called calculated load? Uh? Yes, okay, So sitting there 505 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: at idle in the driveway, you've got calculated load. Probably 506 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: somewhere around. Oh, I don't know something like that. Take 507 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: the absolute load and its showing. Okay, So take the 508 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: vehicle out on the highway. I believe absolute load and 509 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: calculated calculated load or the same thing. But just look 510 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: and see if there's a calculated load pit. Sometimes there's 511 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: a difference. You should you should see when you put 512 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: when you take the vehicle out somewhere on on a 513 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: on a quiet side street or a desert road where 514 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: there's nobody around, put your foot through the headlight. You 515 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: should see calculated load go to or better? All right? 516 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: And it's actually or better if it won't go above. 517 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to think I've got a mass airflow 518 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: sensor that can't report. And then last thing, does your 519 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: does your scan tools show grams per second or airflow 520 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: grams per second? It varies by pit, It varies by manufacturer. 521 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: If your scan tool has the ability to go into 522 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: O B D two and not your make model, use 523 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: that side of it, all right. If this engine's one 524 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: engines in this truck, okay, so you've got a five 525 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: four motor, right you you should see roughly four to 526 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: six grams of air flow at idle, all right, you know, 527 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: and I'm giving you a little bit of a wide range. 528 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, you'll typically see on a healthy 529 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: motor four point eight to five point seven it will 530 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: be real tight to the to the leader displacement. That's 531 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: just the rule of fun we've gone by for the 532 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: longest time, and it always, it always seems to come 533 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: from the point of truth. It um an engine will 534 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: flow at idle grams per second based on its leaders. 535 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: It's just an number that seems to work out in 536 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: the industry. Try that if you're seeing it under reporting. 537 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: If you're seeing three grams of air flow or eight 538 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: grams of air flow, I'd start to think, you know, 539 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: do we have a mass air problem, a duct problem? 540 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: Do we have a restriction? Is there a plastic bag 541 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: stuck in the air and take horn? Uh? That's it's 542 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: clogging airflow. Uh. You know, I've I've seen all kinds 543 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: of crazy things in my career. All right, kiddo, do 544 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: do those things and give me a shout back. We 545 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: can talk some more and you know, we'll take it 546 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: from there. If you need more good to talk to you, Paul, 547 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm running any of the car doctor, I'll be back 548 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: right after this welcome back run any of the car doctor. 549 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Tim in Maine with a seventeen 550 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: Chevy Silverado. Tim, tell me about this truck. Yeah, yes, 551 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: we got it about a year ago and the first 552 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: six months was fine. The battery we talked, a battery 553 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: kept running down. So it's four or five years old anyway, 554 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: So that you post it and uh, three days after 555 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't start again. When you say it wouldn't start, Tim, 556 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: is it that the battery is dead or that it's 557 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: a longer than normal crank time? Well, crank, but crank 558 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: really slow, okay, and right after, you know, shortly after 559 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: we put that battery in like three days or just that. 560 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: But now what it's doing is it just clips? I 561 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: mean they won't even crank over it all and go 562 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: out and started just cut cluck, cut clip. If you 563 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: put a booster on it, your starts up and does 564 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: it when it starts up, does it start normal? Yeah? Fantastic? 565 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: All right. And so what you're telling me is the 566 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: batteries going dead. How long does the vehicle sit in 567 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: between uses? Well, we thought that was the case. We've 568 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: taken it to the Chevy place and everything, and they 569 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: can't find nothing wrong on whatsoever. We thought it was 570 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: a battery. But the battery, I guess, isn't going and dead. 571 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: Because you go out and you go quick quick, quick, click, 572 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: and you go back in the house. You might come 573 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: back out and it starts out beautiful, runs like nothing 574 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: down the road, shout it off and goes click click, click, 575 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: click again. Okay, listen, listen, also, come across, go ahead. 576 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's let's listen to me, because 577 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: we'll we'll, we'll run out of time. What you're describing 578 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: is you're describing an intermittent slow crank or no crank condition, 579 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and at other times it cranks normally correct. Correct. Okay, Um, 580 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: here's the list. You got a pencil and paper? Yeah, okay. 581 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: First thing I want somebody to do with scan it 582 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: for codes. I know there's no check engine light on. 583 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I just want to be sure, all right, it's not 584 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: an unreasonable request. I want a load test one to 585 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: the battery. I want the battery to be given a 586 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: stress test to be sure that the battery, whatever batteries 587 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: in there at this point, is a good battery. Okay, Um, 588 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: I want volt I want a voltage measurement. You know, 589 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: today Saturday at at two if the one PM it's 590 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: reading twelve point five vaults. If we let the vehicle 591 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: sit there and we go up to it Sunday at 592 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: two fifty one, in twenty four hour period, what's standing voltage. 593 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: If it was twelve five yesterday, it should be within 594 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: two tensive a vault today if it's if it's eleven 595 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: point nine, there's a drain on the system, or there's 596 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: we've got a bad battery that we just haven't figured 597 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: out how to test it yet. All right, if we 598 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: prove the battery to be correct in every circumstance, and 599 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: I've gone to the extreme on some vehicles where I 600 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: will physically pull the battery out of the vehicle, charge 601 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: it on the bench, proper procedure with a good charger. 602 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: When I say a good charger, we've got associated battery 603 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: chargers in the shop that are all computer controlled that 604 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: you can tell it C C A, here's the desire, 605 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: will hook up, it will plug in, it will tell you, hey, 606 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: this is what we've gotten. It will automatically charge the battery. 607 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: It's not just you know, crank a battery charger around 608 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: it let it run until it, you know, overheats end 609 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: and it's charged. Is there's a procedure for cranking batteries 610 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: all right, So they've got to be using a good 611 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: quality battery charger. I can associated once I once I 612 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: rule out the battery, and I still have an intermittent 613 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: crank or no crank or click condition, I've got to 614 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: think about battery cables. I've got to think about the 615 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: starter itself. You're up in Maine, all right. You've got 616 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: assault and corrosion issue, especially in the winter. I would 617 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: I would take a look at the starter itself. There's 618 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: a copper wound wire. There's a heavy gauge copper wound 619 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: wire that goes between the solenoid or the top of 620 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: the starter and the starter armature. On certain models and 621 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: then some of the others, the starter itself is so 622 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: corroded it starts to fall apart. I would take a 623 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: hard look at the starter, all right, and then I 624 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: would go through and I would look at a starter 625 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: wiring diagram and clean all the grounds. I just went 626 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: through this for a different issue on a Chevy pickup, 627 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: and I solved it by cleaning all the grounds. Sometimes 628 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: by doing all this, you're gonna baseline. At least you 629 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: know what you're up against. The Chevy dealer said they 630 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: didn't find anything. Ask him what kind of tests they did. 631 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Call me back next week and let me know. Because 632 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: when a shop says that we didn't find anything, there's 633 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. That tells me the shop is not trying 634 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: hard enough do those tests. And let's take it from there. 635 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Zero zero the Car Doctor will return right after this. Well, 636 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: welcome back. I guess it's my turn to talk, so Ron, 637 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: any in the Car docorate your service. By the way, 638 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: the phone number eight zero zero seven. You can call 639 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: the number anytime, day or night. Leave a message. We 640 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: are live on the network on the air Saturdays two 641 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: to four pm East Coast time, and Tom Ray, the 642 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: executive producer of this show and producer extraordinaire, will call 643 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: you back and put you in the live queue for 644 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: the next live broadcast. 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I'm staggered by it, 679 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: some of the some of the questions and comments and 680 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: uh thoughts on it. So if you're into that, then 681 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: pure hyphen gas dot org. Tell the next time I'll 682 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: running aiding the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 683 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you