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Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody? This is your host, Duke Coffin.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Socks on thirty fifth podcast. We are
Speaker 1: back with another exciting episode covering yours Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 1: On this midweek edition, I'm joined by my good friend
Speaker 1: Jordan Zowski. Nick is currently flying a mile high somewhere. No, actually,
Speaker 1: and yeah, Jordan, how are we doing? Buddy? You texted
Speaker 1: me some pretty high maintenance stuff before after this game today.
Speaker 2: To be clear real fast though, Nick is not flying
Speaker 2: the plane. He is just on a plane somewhere. But also,
Speaker 2: we're trying this two person version. I'm interested to see
Speaker 2: how you and I control ourselves without a mediator in
Speaker 2: between us and Nick. So we'll see how this episode goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean Mike at Old Spicy who knows.
Speaker 1: We'll see. And yes, Nick Ower is not a pilot.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that my good friend Jordan Lezowski cleared that
Speaker 1: up for the audience listening at home. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I probably could have framed that a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I mean, it's nice to win a
Speaker 1: series against Baltimore. Baltimore is like the they were like
Speaker 1: the darling child of the rebuilding baseball world there for
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Matt Holliday sun plays for him.
Speaker 1: So that's cool, you know.
Speaker 2: I actually thought that was crazy today when I was
Speaker 2: thinking about just the series in general, Like, yes, I
Speaker 2: still have many thoughts about how today's game went, but like,
Speaker 2: this is a team that not too long ago everyone
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, they're they're the up and comers.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And just you talk about another team that
Speaker 2: just didn't finish off a rebuild the right way, man,
Speaker 2: the the Orioles certainly qualify as one of those, because
Speaker 2: it has not been very good for them this season
Speaker 2: and you partially see why with some of their pitching
Speaker 2: woes the past few games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's been the name of the game,
Speaker 1: like their whole rebuild, you know, And it's it's a
Speaker 1: shame because you have Ad the Rochman, who's probably like
Speaker 1: one of the best like young catchers in the game.
Speaker 1: Fairly impressive work as far as uh challenging pitches as
Speaker 1: well throughout this series, and I'm sure his numbers back
Speaker 1: that up as well. He got a really good one
Speaker 1: on Ben Attendee today and then you have Gunnar Henderson
Speaker 1: who's like a could perennial be a perennial MVP candidate
Speaker 1: once he hits his prime and he hasn't even hit
Speaker 1: his prime yet, so that's kind of crazy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you see, you see what all the discussion
Speaker 1: was about Baltimore heading in heading into the last couple
Speaker 1: of seasons. But it seems like every time they should
Speaker 1: have gotten aggressive, they never did. But we will cover
Speaker 1: a little bit of that as we get into this episode.
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Speaker 1: a part to live audience where I get a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to my mic so everyone can hear me,
Speaker 1: especially as Jordan Zowski tries to talk over me. So
Speaker 1: won the series against Baltimore. Can't complain crazy to think
Speaker 1: that we would be saying this like a year ago.
Speaker 1: I can't complain we want a series. I mean, spee,
Speaker 1: you know, we were on the road, but like you know,
Speaker 1: we want a series. No, I mean overall, White Socks
Speaker 1: are doing what they've been doing most of this entire season.
Speaker 1: A lot of excitement still in this lineup, and we
Speaker 1: saw it over the course of the first two days.
Speaker 1: Bats went a little bit quiet quiet on Wednesday, but
Speaker 1: kind of the big story of this game was the
Speaker 1: return of Noah Schultz, which is something we've kind of
Speaker 1: eagerly been waiting for and seeing what version of Noah
Speaker 1: Schultz we were going to get. You know, just first reactions, Jordan,
Speaker 1: what do you think of Noah Schultz here to start,
Speaker 1: just to just to come back and hopefully build some confidence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going with this. Just jump in, Jordan.
Speaker 2: No, I think Schultz I've been critical at times. I
Speaker 2: think we've talked about that before. Right before he got hurt,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, I'm not seeing it yet.
Speaker 2: This was the most intrigued I've been, and I guess
Speaker 2: confident i've been after one of his starts. It was
Speaker 2: nice to see the change up used a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I felt like he was going to it like consistently
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, it was Hey, if it
Speaker 2: didn't work, one pitch or he was going to it
Speaker 2: within the next couple of pitches. I mean, he only
Speaker 2: threw ten, so it's kind of crazy for me to
Speaker 2: be that happy about it. But that's that's a positive
Speaker 2: step forward for me. What I didn't like on the
Speaker 2: flip side was he threw the sweeper the most of
Speaker 2: all of his pitches, but he threw it mostly to
Speaker 2: right handers, which I don't personally understand especially and maybe
Speaker 2: this is probably why when you walked four hitters and
Speaker 2: three of them were to lefties, that can't happen right
Speaker 2: like that, they you he got himself in trouble because
Speaker 2: three of his four were walksward to lefties. That that
Speaker 2: fifth inning start, that issue started with a Jackson Holiday
Speaker 2: walk and Jackson Holiday's not hitting well in his own right,
Speaker 2: so you absolutely can't do it to the eight and
Speaker 2: nine hitters. Overall, thought it was positive. I liked the
Speaker 2: cutter being featured a little bit more too, But the
Speaker 2: big positive for me was the change up and that
Speaker 2: you need some sort of swing and mispitch or or
Speaker 2: something for rightyes to think about that's moving away from them,
Speaker 2: which is at the same time why I hated that
Speaker 2: forty percent of the pitches he threw to lo To
Speaker 2: Wrighty's were sweepers like that. That still doesn't jive fully
Speaker 2: with me, but it was a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you you have you have to really
Speaker 1: have a good breaking pitch, especially something that breaks towards
Speaker 1: the batter, to be able to pull it off as
Speaker 1: a really I guess left you're righty against the opposite side.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Chris Sale with the slider,
Speaker 1: where he could throw it to literally anybody standing in
Speaker 1: the box, regardless of what side you're standing on. I
Speaker 1: would not put Noah Schultz's sweeper in that category. It's
Speaker 1: not even necessarily a pitch that I've totally fallen in
Speaker 1: love with yet, and I think me and you can
Speaker 1: both agree on that. And especially a pitch that can
Speaker 1: really kind of hang before it starts to drop going
Speaker 1: towards a right handed batter is not you definitely hold
Speaker 1: your breath breath sometimes when you kind of see it
Speaker 1: come out of the hand. But what I will give
Speaker 1: him credit for because it was something that we discussed
Speaker 1: at length anytime we brought up Noah Schultz when he
Speaker 1: was on the roster, and even when he after he
Speaker 1: got injured, kind of discussing what is put away pitch
Speaker 1: was gonna be against the right hand batters, and he
Speaker 1: kind of gave us a full schmortgage board of that.
Speaker 1: He it's obvious that it's not one pitch yet, but
Speaker 1: I really did enjoy what I saw from his change
Speaker 1: up down in a way to right handers. He's doing it,
Speaker 1: doing a lot better of a job placing that pitch.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily just you know, just barely brush in
Speaker 1: the corner anything like that. It's still a little low,
Speaker 1: but I mean that keeps him out of trouble. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily gonna help with his with his walk right,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, as we saw as we saw
Speaker 1: on Wednesday with you know, four walks, but it's a
Speaker 1: pitch that that is something he should kind of start
Speaker 1: to focus on a little bit, like if he's not
Speaker 1: gonna just kind of you know, star from scratch and
Speaker 1: you know, in Duke's hardest of hearts, you know, gets
Speaker 1: splitter like I would just love him to do. I
Speaker 1: think that change up is a really nice, uh, a
Speaker 1: really nice pitch, and there's a lot of pictures that
Speaker 1: can use a good change up that just drops a
Speaker 1: little bit or has a little bit of an angle
Speaker 1: on it, and when he when he's placing it well,
Speaker 1: when it's not getting too high in the zone, I
Speaker 1: think it's a very ample put away pitch.
Speaker 2: But with how many right I was gonna say, what's
Speaker 2: interesting about it too? Though? Is he kind of you
Speaker 2: can you can tell it's not a natural pitch yet,
Speaker 2: which is why I think, to your point, he's got
Speaker 2: to keep using it more and finding ways, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I know, we continue to balance this whole winning versus
Speaker 2: development concept throughout this year, and I think we'll continue
Speaker 2: to battle it. But you'd see he'd cut a few
Speaker 2: he'd missed a tongue glove side, so it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: he's not not fully there yet. But I think to
Speaker 2: your point, and I think you were getting right into
Speaker 2: it as well, it's like you're gonna teams are gonna
Speaker 2: stack righties against you, so you better be ready to
Speaker 2: combat that somehow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and that that changeup absolutely cannot rise facing
Speaker 1: righties like that is just a it's method for disaster.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, it's it's still scattered. I'm sure when
Speaker 1: the pitching chart comes out I don't have it in
Speaker 1: front of me. Typically that's a baseball savant, you know,
Speaker 1: early morning thing that I'll look at when I start
Speaker 1: my work day. But it's something like that's the short
Speaker 1: term fix for me right now to kind of solve
Speaker 1: that issue. And I don't hate what he did with
Speaker 1: his cutter as kind of something to change the eye level,
Speaker 1: which is something that you know, when you aren't in
Speaker 1: a position to just develop a new pitch on the fly.
Speaker 1: You know, this isn't MLB the show. We can't just
Speaker 1: do that by you know, putting stacking so many experience
Speaker 1: put in a pitch we want to have. It actually
Speaker 1: worked pretty effectively. You know the fact that he got
Speaker 1: through you know, four and a third seven strikeouts shows
Speaker 1: that he had enough put away stuff. His fourth inning
Speaker 1: was dominant. If you didn't watch the game today, I
Speaker 1: would highly recommend at least going back and watching the
Speaker 1: fourth inning. And this is me talking to the folks home.
Speaker 1: I know Las, I know Laz watched the entire game.
Speaker 1: I got the full feedback after it. But that is
Speaker 1: is that fourth inning of Noah Schultz is the confidence
Speaker 1: you want to see in a young picture like this,
Speaker 1: to where if you're going to make mistakes. You're at
Speaker 1: least attacking the batter and you're making them have to
Speaker 1: chase against you. Plus, you know seeing Kobe Mayo, for
Speaker 1: so many obvious reasons, strike out and get angry about it,
Speaker 1: which is so fantastic. It's actually a gif I'm going
Speaker 1: to make at some point.
Speaker 2: One thing that's interesting about that too, though, is it
Speaker 2: was the same thing I used to say, and I
Speaker 2: it's funny to hear me being so critical same thing
Speaker 2: I used to say about Dylan ceases far. I'm like,
Speaker 2: did you watch that inning? Though I know in totality
Speaker 2: it probably didn't look like what you wanted, But did
Speaker 2: you watch that inning? It's like, that's what you're looking
Speaker 2: at as a neutral observer. Usually there's why they continue
Speaker 2: to put him out there and stuff like that. The
Speaker 2: one thing I will say about Schultz today, and it
Speaker 2: kind of gets into probably some of the negativity I
Speaker 2: have regarding today. I don't know why he and maybe
Speaker 2: he will be moving forward. I don't know why he
Speaker 2: isn't a candidate for an opener. I think he has
Speaker 2: not shown an ability to go deep in games, and
Speaker 2: I think the White Sox have enough guys or may
Speaker 2: soon have enough guys to cover those early innings to
Speaker 2: where they very clearly did not watch Schultz facing the
Speaker 2: top of the order a third time. Every time they've
Speaker 2: done that with a player this year, there's been an opener.
Speaker 2: So I'm confused why that hasn't been a thing yet
Speaker 2: because I think that kind of screw umtay. That's not
Speaker 2: just Schultz's fault, right, They've only really stretched him out
Speaker 2: to eighty pitches, so he was at his limit anyway.
Speaker 2: I don't know that was the flip side of it
Speaker 2: for me. For as good as it was, it was
Speaker 2: still almost like that cease like outing of oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're only in the fifth inning and we got to
Speaker 2: cover fifteen out somehow at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it, you know, as you bring up cease,
Speaker 1: I always think of the classic Road on example or
Speaker 1: early in his career too, because it was kind of
Speaker 1: the same story. I don't hate the idea of an
Speaker 1: opener for Schultz, and this is spoken to someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't not fully in love with openers in the first place,
Speaker 1: because they can be used as training wheels a bit
Speaker 1: too long for guys who should not need one. But
Speaker 1: I think it would work really well for him. It
Speaker 1: would help him build a little bit of confidence against
Speaker 1: a weaker part of the order. Instead of just facing
Speaker 1: top top four guys right off the bat, you'd be
Speaker 1: able to have a strong inning from somebody as an opener,
Speaker 1: have him, you know, get get some rhythm in before
Speaker 1: he has to face the strong part of the order.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what a lot of openers
Speaker 1: are used for in baseball, is to kind of get
Speaker 1: that tough part of the batting order through. I don't
Speaker 1: hate that idea, and I think, I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: if I could if I get kind of tied up
Speaker 1: with the bow. As far as what I saw from
Speaker 1: Schultz today, I saw improvement. I saw confidence, And with
Speaker 1: a pitcher who you know, has had early struggles, that's
Speaker 1: always kind of one of the top things you have
Speaker 1: to really look for is when a guy is struggling,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, but he's continuing to battle.
Speaker 1: And that's something that you know, we need to continue
Speaker 1: to see moving forward, and we need to see that
Speaker 1: with any young pictures we have coming up here, because
Speaker 1: we've all seen the shell shocked pitcher and you know,
Speaker 1: even our boy Dylan Cees early on he did have
Speaker 1: a little bit of the shell shocked when he would pitch,
Speaker 1: when he wouldn't pitch well. But I mean, dude, look
Speaker 1: at Dylan Ce's now like one of the most confident
Speaker 1: pitchers on the mound. When he's rolling, and even when
Speaker 1: he's not, he's met he's mad at himself more than
Speaker 1: anyone can possibly mad at him. So that's the direction
Speaker 1: I want to see us move. And overall, it's it's
Speaker 1: a shame because Noah really did pitch well through the
Speaker 1: fourth inning, ran into trouble, and you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to excuse him by starting to point the blame
Speaker 1: at the bullpen and how well they did. But you
Speaker 1: have to put your bullpen in a better, better position
Speaker 1: in than that. Brian Hudson was given a tall task
Speaker 1: to just kind of jump into, especially being asked to
Speaker 1: give to uh, get two outs in that situation, and
Speaker 1: you just have to you have to understand what your
Speaker 1: bullpen is as a starting pitcher for the White Sox.
Speaker 2: I also think, and I don't know this was me,
Speaker 2: like I took a nap today to like kind of nap.
Speaker 2: See if I changed afterwards and I'm still very absurd,
Speaker 2: bit like this is this gonna simmer me down or not?
Speaker 2: But I'm like, one thing that really frush. I have
Speaker 2: no idea. I think it was a poorly managed game.
Speaker 2: I've been or well and again, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be one of these people that's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this guy Sky's falling because he had a poorly managed
Speaker 2: game or whatever. I think he poorly managed a game, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's not the point We've all spoken Venimal's praises on
Speaker 2: this podcast. But you have a day like today where
Speaker 2: you have a very similar guy in Noah Schultz, and
Speaker 2: then you bring in Brian Hudson and they're basically the
Speaker 2: same picture in a lot of respects. Like Brian Hudson
Speaker 2: is because him fastball only for whatever reason, did not
Speaker 2: have a great June and has reverse splits, so lefties
Speaker 2: hit him way better than righty's. The first batter he
Speaker 2: was facing was a lefty, and then once that left
Speaker 2: he got a hit, you put yourself in a no
Speaker 2: win situation and then you your splits didn't kind of
Speaker 2: didn't even matter today because the Orioles basically saw the
Speaker 2: same picture for the first two times through the order. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Schultz is a little bit more variety. But if you're
Speaker 2: seeing a kind of sidewinding fastball and that's all you're seeing,
Speaker 2: I think that was poorly managed. He should not have
Speaker 2: been the first guy out of the bullpen. If the
Speaker 2: option was either him or Richard, I still probably would
Speaker 2: have gone Richard, as crazy as that is, just to
Speaker 2: mix it up a little bit. I just that that
Speaker 2: That was one of two things that really bothered me
Speaker 2: today was how he managed what was still a very
Speaker 2: close part. It was one to one at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have to have a serious I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll touch on that point, like the overall point, but
Speaker 1: just the Trevor Richard point. How long if we're gonna
Speaker 1: like be serious about being contending baseball team, or we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a Trevor Richards in the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the roster churn we talked about, like why
Speaker 2: we saw with Tyler Davis. So there's still some ability
Speaker 2: to do it. You're gonna have to continue to churn
Speaker 2: and if like, there's got to be a better option.
Speaker 2: Even if these I get it, it's the fifth inning.
Speaker 2: It's not the best time to be trying to use
Speaker 2: a high leverage guy. But I feel like there's still
Speaker 2: gotta be something else they could have tried today, right, Like,
Speaker 2: even if it was like, hey, it was either Hudson
Speaker 2: or Richards, I still would have gone Richards, just to
Speaker 2: mix up the looks a little bit. Like at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it wasn't a good situation to
Speaker 2: bring a lefty side armor in at that point.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I think I think you're spot on. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you notice me, like look up
Speaker 1: at a certain point when you were doing your last point.
Speaker 1: But I just thought of the Sir Anthony Domingus vortex
Speaker 1: that we just continue to find ourselves in, and how
Speaker 1: much it drives me nuts. And this is not a defense,
Speaker 1: Sir Anthony Domingus, but it's knowing what you have and
Speaker 1: knowing splits. It's that simple. And I want to pull
Speaker 1: my hair out every time I see Sir Anthony Domingus
Speaker 1: go in to a ballgame, whether it's fifth inning, whether
Speaker 1: it's the seventh inning, whether it's the eighth inning, whether
Speaker 1: it's the ninth inning, and there's two left handers that
Speaker 1: he has to face that weren't pinch hit they're just there.
Speaker 1: And it's at no point in his career was he
Speaker 1: good against left handed batting. You always had to protect
Speaker 1: him from left hand batting, and that's why he was
Speaker 1: never closer.
Speaker 2: But and it's it's such a weird thing too though.
Speaker 2: It's like, and I didn't look up like Henderson's splits.
Speaker 2: I'm sure henderson splits. Splits are probably worse against lefties,
Speaker 2: but you have to weigh it on both sides, Like
Speaker 2: what's more important to you is it that your your
Speaker 2: pitcher has reverse splits or that you know Henderson maybe
Speaker 2: couldn't hit lefties as well. Again, I'm saying that because
Speaker 2: that's in my head. I haven't looked up Henderson's split,
Speaker 2: but I'm assuming that was the logic behind it. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I tend to err on the side of
Speaker 2: you got one guy throwing pitches, like a flat ninety
Speaker 2: one is still a flat ninety one. I don't care
Speaker 2: if Henderson has never gotten a hit off a left
Speaker 2: in his life, right, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and you end up going to Jordan
Speaker 1: Hicks later in the game, who is far from an
Speaker 1: ideal pick anyway, But I understand like having to pitch
Speaker 1: him today, And I understand why the Socks are giving
Speaker 1: him an extended look because he does have disgusting stuff.
Speaker 1: When he can keep it in the zone and you know,
Speaker 1: keep it in the ballpark, you know, why not give
Speaker 1: that different look? You know, I think you kind of
Speaker 1: nailed it at the top of this point with Noah
Speaker 1: Schultz and Brian Hudson are too similar. And if you're
Speaker 1: going for a change of pace, especially against the guy
Speaker 1: like Gunner Henderson, why not toss the guy out there
Speaker 1: that throws gas and stuff that moves from you know,
Speaker 1: the right you know, from a right handed arm angle. Sure,
Speaker 1: Gunner hand. I don't even need to look at the
Speaker 1: splits to understand that Gunner Henderson kills right handed pitching.
Speaker 1: But he's getting to the point where he's good enough
Speaker 1: for he's gonna hit. You know, He's not someone you
Speaker 1: ever leave out of the lineup because there's a lefty
Speaker 1: on the mound. He's gonna be in the lineup every
Speaker 1: single day, and he's going to be an all star
Speaker 1: caliber shortstop and batter every single day. So like I
Speaker 1: almost wonder, you know, And I'm not a major league manager,
Speaker 1: so I can't say like that. I know, better than say, well, Venable,
Speaker 1: I would just like to I would like to see,
Speaker 1: like what what the process is in the process of
Speaker 1: elimination of who who he should and shouldn't bring in
Speaker 1: on a particular situation, and like what gauges that decision,
Speaker 1: because that's what I end up really kind of losing
Speaker 1: my mind about too. I didn't get to watch the
Speaker 1: Baltimore game live. I got to watch it after the
Speaker 1: fact once I got home from work. But so many
Speaker 1: games that I watched from the White Sex. And this
Speaker 1: is from a dedicated like I'm a Will Venable guy.
Speaker 1: I something about it. You know, the cut of his jib.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that is really getting hard to ignore.
Speaker 1: It's something that I thought I was nitpicking at first,
Speaker 1: but it feels like it's continuing to be a pressing
Speaker 1: issue here.
Speaker 2: Jeorde right, Like again, it's I don't want it to
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, why didn't they put Grant
Speaker 2: Taylor And why didn't they put in Sir Anthony Mingus
Speaker 2: Like I I that's an unreasonable asking the fifth inning.
Speaker 2: But if your two options were kind of Richard's or Hudson,
Speaker 2: you got to change it up a little bit, right,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. That's that's a frustration for me.
Speaker 2: Anderson hasn't said well this year. But he's slightly better
Speaker 2: against lefties too, like for his career, way better against righty's.
Speaker 2: But do you care about the season? Do you care
Speaker 2: about the career?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: None of it jobs. Even when I saw him come in,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I'd be doing that.
Speaker 2: It felt like, you know, Schultz was cruising and then
Speaker 2: it was like an oh shit, he's not cruising anymore.
Speaker 2: Who can get up and ready fastest? And that was
Speaker 2: the result, And I don't love that. Again, it's one
Speaker 2: game they won the series. Is it might? Is it
Speaker 2: micro analyzing this? Probably? But at the same time, you're
Speaker 2: going to get to a point in the season where
Speaker 2: these games are gonna matter. Hopefully you're getting to a
Speaker 2: point where this in the season where the games matter,
Speaker 2: or even if it's not this season, it will be
Speaker 2: a season for Venable, Like you got to be able
Speaker 2: to figure this out, right, Like you can't even if
Speaker 2: it is just an oh shit moment. You have to
Speaker 2: have enough information be like, I don't know, at least
Speaker 2: change a pace a little bit, especially when the splits
Speaker 2: are the way they were for Hudson specifically Well.
Speaker 1: And Jordan, it's becoming too often to be just being
Speaker 1: a shit moment. It's becoming a bit of a trend.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I feel like, no matter how good
Speaker 1: this team ends up doing, you can't just sit here
Speaker 1: and ignore a trend like that. And I don't think
Speaker 1: this is necessarily negative of venable at all. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's something that you have to have an honest
Speaker 1: conversation with as you get down the line, because you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, dude, that's gonna be the one thing
Speaker 1: that's going to burn you down the line. It's kind
Speaker 1: of similar to like think with like Great Council when
Speaker 1: he started messing around with his bullpens when he was
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee early on. It was awesome, everyone loved it.
Speaker 1: Then you see what happens in the playoffs when you
Speaker 1: tink you with your bullpen too much and you don't
Speaker 1: have arms at the end of it, or you pull
Speaker 1: a starter who is doing very well and then trying
Speaker 1: to save him for a potential game that might not
Speaker 1: even be played because you pulled him too early, and
Speaker 1: your bullpen's dead tired because they've been pitching good sixty
Speaker 1: percent of your ball games, and that's where the Chicago
Speaker 1: Cubs are left with now. But it's it's situation you
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to because it confester and it
Speaker 1: can become an issue.
Speaker 2: It just didn't. It didn't presents like that. I think
Speaker 2: I mentioned on Sun at You there was an article
Speaker 2: that came out recently about how why they bunch so
Speaker 2: much and why they use abs so often, like almost
Speaker 2: an insanely aggressive amount, and it was kind of like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're trying to get like you can't take them home
Speaker 2: with you basically, and we're trying to be aggressive about it.
Speaker 2: Nothing about the way he handled that situation jived with
Speaker 2: what he's kind of said of like, hey, we need
Speaker 2: to be aggressed, We need to treat every situation as
Speaker 2: it's important. That was that kind of felt like he
Speaker 2: got caught off guard, and you contrast that with the
Speaker 2: bunting that happened today. I think I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out the rationale behind a fifth inning bunt leading the
Speaker 2: game to move a runner from first to second. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out the rationale behind that for those
Speaker 2: who maybe like are are new to our show or
Speaker 2: kind of my way of thinking. There's things called run expectancies.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bore you with the details, but you
Speaker 2: are basically less likely to score a run when you
Speaker 2: move a runner from first to second via bunt. So
Speaker 2: now you have instead of man at first no outs,
Speaker 2: man it second one out. That is, man a second
Speaker 2: one out is a lower probability situation of scoring a
Speaker 2: run than man at first no outs. And this is
Speaker 2: over years and years worth of data. And this is
Speaker 2: not the seventh inning. You're playing for an insurance run.
Speaker 2: Even there, I'm like, all right, but I kind of
Speaker 2: get it. This is the fifth inning of a ball game.
Speaker 2: But if you want to play with that sense of
Speaker 2: urgency as a manager, like hey, every run we can
Speaker 2: get counts, then it should work on the other side,
Speaker 2: where hey, every run we give up matters. It was
Speaker 2: a tie game. You were caught off guard with your
Speaker 2: starting pitcher who was around eighty pitches going into the inning,
Speaker 2: and your option was a guy who has reverse splits
Speaker 2: and has basically the same arm angle as the pitcher
Speaker 2: who started the game, and your low leverage guy. Once
Speaker 2: he gave up a couple runs, nothing about the way
Speaker 2: he managed.
Speaker 1: That game.
Speaker 2: Was aligned with kind of what he's been saying previously.
Speaker 2: The bunting thing is driving me nuts. He is asking
Speaker 2: guys to bunt into unoptimal situations early in games, and
Speaker 2: that is beyond frustrating to me. You're winning a game
Speaker 2: and you're giving up an out? Why sty you see
Speaker 2: what the you see what the Orioles did. The Orioles
Speaker 2: just kept hitting and hitting once they walked Henderson, or
Speaker 2: excuse me, once they walked Holiday. You didn't see Alexander
Speaker 2: come up and bunt. No, he took an O two
Speaker 2: pitch and singled, Like that's what modern offenses do in
Speaker 2: the fifth inning of a ballgame, in the eighth or
Speaker 2: the ninth. Fine, I get it, and I don't totally
Speaker 2: get it, but I kind of get it right Like,
Speaker 2: but in the fifth inning of a game, you're winning
Speaker 2: and acune has been hitting better too, Like you haven't
Speaker 2: been on for us to give you your flowers about
Speaker 2: Acunya's recent hot streak, Like you can't do it like
Speaker 2: you do that in that situation. He's not the buck
Speaker 2: forty hitter right now either. Nothing about today's situations made
Speaker 2: sense to me, And that's right where the game flipped
Speaker 2: was in that fifth inning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm I'm very much believer in And this
Speaker 1: is this is where I disagree with you lads in
Speaker 1: the sense of just bunting as a whole. I do
Speaker 1: think there is scenarios where bunting, bunting works. Bunting is
Speaker 1: something that can get you from point A to point
Speaker 1: B faster. Uh. That was like one of the big
Speaker 1: aspects of ozziebel Osie ball. I really enjoyed. But Ozzie
Speaker 1: got away with that because he had skop Posenic leading off,
Speaker 1: who could get on the first base and steal second
Speaker 1: before anybody had to put a bunt down. That's not
Speaker 1: the situation they're running in.
Speaker 2: That's the big part of it. And then Venable tried
Speaker 2: to correct his mistake by having acunea steel and then
Speaker 2: he got thrown out stealing seconds. It's like you just
Speaker 2: gave up two runs in that inning or two outs
Speaker 2: in that inning. Like the most valuable thing you have
Speaker 2: in baseball are your outs. To just kick them aside,
Speaker 2: it's mind numbing to me. And again, bunting is at
Speaker 2: its highest level got in years at this point that
Speaker 2: they put out an article recently. Bunting is at its
Speaker 2: highest level in years. But it's a lot of squeezes,
Speaker 2: and it's a lot of bunts for hits. And you
Speaker 2: look at the teams that bunt a ton Tampa Bay,
Speaker 2: Milwaukee White Sox, Okay, all first place teams. The other
Speaker 2: six teams that do it a lot. Arizona twelve and
Speaker 2: a half games back, Cincinnati last place, Saint Louis third place,
Speaker 2: Colorado last place, Boston last place, Kansas City last place.
Speaker 2: So it's not a viable way to build an offense,
Speaker 2: especially one that has had this hit the second most
Speaker 2: home runs in baseball this year. It just doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: even if, yes, the game is trending back towards bunt
Speaker 2: and fine, like I have since very much softened on
Speaker 2: my never bunt take, Like there is a time and
Speaker 2: place the fifth inning, no outs run around first with
Speaker 2: a bottomier order up. That's just not doing it for me.
Speaker 2: Drew Romo was on deck and everyone wants to get
Speaker 2: rid of him, like that's your next titter. It just
Speaker 2: nothing about the situation made sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drew Romo did not have a fantastic game defense.
Speaker 2: Let's set it up and think he's gonna get a
Speaker 2: base hit, like the guy's here because he has better
Speaker 2: defense than Caro and can run the ball out of
Speaker 2: the ballpark bunting a runner to second. You're looking for
Speaker 2: a guy who can hit with runner of the scoring position, right,
Speaker 2: he's got a buck ninety buck forty maybe bad average,
Speaker 2: Like you need a base hit in that situation. That's
Speaker 2: not the guy who's gonna get one to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's His entire job title is placeholder until Edgar
Speaker 1: Carroll like learned how to hit and Charlotte and comes back.
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing is defense isn't even like worth
Speaker 1: like worth that type of like spot, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I thought I thought he could tag
Speaker 1: it home plate. That's me being a little nitpicky, But
Speaker 1: I did not think he He kind of positioned himself
Speaker 1: in front of them or in front of the plate's legal,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He didn't. He didn't position
Speaker 1: himself well with Braiden's throw from right field. I thought
Speaker 1: Braiden should have gotten an out on that play. Couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you what ending it was from. I really rushed
Speaker 1: you this game, guys, but I just I've seen enough Drew.
Speaker 2: I was probably that hell ish fifth inning where everything
Speaker 2: went wrong.
Speaker 1: It was actually yes, it was.
Speaker 2: You talk about how and people are like, what does
Speaker 2: it matter a fifth inning bunt? Why you can playing
Speaker 2: about a fifth inning?
Speaker 1: Bnth, No.
Speaker 2: Change the game was the fifth inning. They gave up
Speaker 2: two outs in the top of the fifth, gave away
Speaker 2: the game in the bottom, put in Trevor Richards, and
Speaker 2: that was the end of the ball game. Like you
Speaker 2: play nine innings, but the fifth inning decided everything. You know.
Speaker 1: LEAs. My entire argument for this bunt being in the
Speaker 1: fifth inning, which I already just really did not like
Speaker 1: in the fucking first place, especially considering how good all
Speaker 1: all the people involved are hitting, is why do you
Speaker 1: not steal a kuna first? Why in the world would
Speaker 1: you make him run from first and then.
Speaker 2: It just once once you screwed up the the once
Speaker 2: you screwed up the bunt, trying to fix it by
Speaker 2: stealing him was an abysmal idea Like that I could
Speaker 2: I could sense him like he's going to try and
Speaker 2: steal him, to try and get himself in the same
Speaker 2: situation that is way too high a risk for very
Speaker 2: little reward, Like it's just you get yourself thrown out
Speaker 2: and you again like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to have somebody on first base.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to have somebody on first
Speaker 1: base in that situation to be able to steal second
Speaker 1: before you even think about laying that bunt down. That's it.
Speaker 2: I just and so it's frustrating for me where it's
Speaker 2: like the guy who was up was not the guy
Speaker 2: you want up for a situation. Like even if you
Speaker 2: really wanted to play for one run and get a single, cool,
Speaker 2: that's great. Why are you asking the guy that's hitting
Speaker 2: a buck forty to do it? Right? Like unless you
Speaker 2: had grand plans for Kyle Teal to pinch it, which
Speaker 2: I assume they didn't, because otherwise he would have played. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just with runners and scoring position.
Speaker 2: This year, Drew Romo's hitting seventy four, so I don't
Speaker 2: know what the thought process was, Like you need a
Speaker 2: hit in that situations.
Speaker 1: He had a really good first week of baseball. You
Speaker 1: need to carry that.
Speaker 2: His role is go try and hit bombs and be
Speaker 2: a placeholder. So I just I just don't bombs dropping, man, No,
Speaker 2: right now, it's not a lot of bombs are not
Speaker 2: dropping either, So it's I don't know, it was. It
Speaker 2: was a very frustrating inning that just felt forced. Like,
Speaker 2: you know what this offense is. It's it's a power
Speaker 2: based offense that that is largely structured around good on
Speaker 2: base percentage, good slug and you deal with home or
Speaker 2: deal with the strikeouts because you get the home runs.
Speaker 2: That's what this team is meant to be. And you
Speaker 2: venable continues to operate in ways that don't jive with
Speaker 2: the collective makeup of this ball club. Yes, there are
Speaker 2: the Antonacis and the my drafts on this team totally,
Speaker 2: even the Yakuni totally get that, but they're like ancillary
Speaker 2: characters to this story. Your your offense is a more
Speaker 2: modern offense than it's been in the past. Stop trying
Speaker 2: to do things that aren't modern offense based.
Speaker 1: Keep your just keep your pause off it, just let it,
Speaker 1: let the offense, let it develop.
Speaker 2: This is a team that scored what nine runs and
Speaker 2: eight runs in the past two games. Yeah, of course
Speaker 2: they weren't going to score that many. But there's always
Speaker 2: the chance that that team pops off. But you know
Speaker 2: when they can't pop off, when you start giving up outs, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean you know, and.
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing. If this lineup's only done it
Speaker 1: a couple times this season, it's like, no, they've literally
Speaker 1: it almost feels like at least one game every series,
Speaker 1: our offense just decides like, yeah, we're carrying it today,
Speaker 1: like we don't care. We're just gonna score runs and
Speaker 1: we're going to hit the hell out of the baseball.
Speaker 1: And even if it's an out, dude, like we're gonna
Speaker 1: spread it. We're gonna make every outfielder work. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make every fielder work, and we're gonna hit it hard
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 2: And maybe today wasn't that day, but I'd rather go
Speaker 2: down trying to play baseball that way than trying to
Speaker 2: play like I don't know the Royals right, Like, I'd
Speaker 2: rather try and play this team's offense because how many
Speaker 2: times And this is something I'm probably gonna have to
Speaker 2: do research on at some point because I complain about
Speaker 2: it a lot, like how many times do these bunts work? Right?
Speaker 2: Like it if you're playing for one run in the
Speaker 2: ninth inning or the tenth inning, like sure, those will work,
Speaker 2: but I feel like largely these especially the ones trying
Speaker 2: to get them from first to second with one out,
Speaker 2: just doesn't work at the level at which did the
Speaker 2: White Sox use it. I think that's my biggest issue. Again,
Speaker 2: if it's the seventh inning and you really need an
Speaker 2: insurance run and it's still one to nothing, cool, I
Speaker 2: totally get the idea. I might not agree, but I
Speaker 2: get the process behind it. It's the fifth inning and
Speaker 2: you're winning, you got that kick. Can't be the situation
Speaker 2: for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think there's there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that need to go to account. You know, like how
Speaker 1: gooven arm does the catcher have, How strong of a
Speaker 1: defender is the pitcher? You know, how how quick on
Speaker 1: the feed is the third base in the first base.
Speaker 1: There's so many different scenarios that go into it, and honestly,
Speaker 1: like a lot of that's thrown out the window if
Speaker 1: you don't have like a true blue, kind of old
Speaker 1: school leadoff hitter. And Sam is great at so many things,
Speaker 1: but I would not ever put a comparison to him
Speaker 1: to like a Scopit Sednik or you know, insert lead
Speaker 1: off hitter here who steals forty bases a year. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You're gonna want him to swing
Speaker 1: the bad way anyway?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: You know why waste a bunt on something like that,
Speaker 1: or you know, if you do have him on first, why,
Speaker 1: why in the world will you chance putting him into
Speaker 1: a double play or bunting him across. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I really don't want in ourselves in circles I find.
Speaker 2: I know thing I will say, like, I don't want
Speaker 2: this to turn into a I hate Will Venable or
Speaker 2: Will Venable sucks as a manager because I see a
Speaker 2: lot of that, and he does things that a young
Speaker 2: manager does who's never managed a winning ball club before.
Speaker 2: And I get that, and that's fine, but I feel
Speaker 2: like these are these are ones that are forced to
Speaker 2: where like you insert kind of like you had said,
Speaker 2: hands off the wheel at some point, like these are
Speaker 2: where you force yourself yourself into making a decision that
Speaker 2: you don't have to make. Just let this offense go.
Speaker 2: I I would rather, personally, as a fan, watch this
Speaker 2: offense sputter, knowing they could put up six runs at
Speaker 2: any given point than try and play ASIE ball with
Speaker 2: a team that's not built to play ASIE ball and
Speaker 2: try and go for the fifth inning.
Speaker 1: Terrible version of the first.
Speaker 2: Right, it's not even a good version of ball either, Right,
Speaker 2: like it. It's like the Temu version of Ozzie Ball
Speaker 2: like that. It's it's it doesn't make sense for what
Speaker 2: this team is built to be doing is correct.
Speaker 1: No, there's there's a time and a place, and your
Speaker 1: lineup construction has to work around it. Our lineup construction
Speaker 1: is freaking most everybody's hitting right now. Just let them
Speaker 1: get the bat off their freaking shoulder and swing like
Speaker 1: I want wil Venable to just take like three steps
Speaker 1: back and have even if it's just like a week
Speaker 1: or a series, just feel like, you know what all
Speaker 1: I'm going to do is I'm gonna I'm gonna toss
Speaker 1: some steel signs out there. I might, i might pinch
Speaker 1: hit somebody, but overall, I'm gonna let these guys kind
Speaker 1: of go because they're one of the hottest offenses in baseball,
Speaker 1: and these guys like to hit for power. So we're
Speaker 1: just if it doesn't work, we're in the seventh inning
Speaker 1: and we're just really getting nothing going. By all means,
Speaker 1: throw everything you fucking got at it and try to
Speaker 1: manufacture a run if you can't. But when when it's
Speaker 1: working and you've already shown you can hit the ball
Speaker 1: that day and lineup's kind of got a little bit
Speaker 1: of juice. Leave a beat. But all right, I think
Speaker 1: we talked about Bunting for good twenty minutes there, twenty
Speaker 1: more minutes than I ever want to talk about Bunting's
Speaker 1: all right, We're going to try to keep her a
Speaker 1: little short today, mainly because there's still a whole weekend
Speaker 1: of baseball here coming up, and it's it's July. Man,
Speaker 1: the All Start All Star Games is starting to get
Speaker 1: around the corner, Man, that's starting to heat up. If
Speaker 1: you have not voted for the Chicago White Socks, Miguel
Speaker 1: Vargas specifically, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Well? Unfortunately, did you see now they're into the second
Speaker 2: round where fans can only vote for the top two.
Speaker 2: There's Yeah, it's so bad. Oh my god, I don't
Speaker 2: even want to get into how bad. Like I've always
Speaker 2: been a fan of All Star voting for fans. This year,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, maybe not, maybe we're done
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: This far vote work. So like most probably most teams
Speaker 1: we watched growing up, lads, we were just excited because
Speaker 1: we like we always had like the second chance guy
Speaker 1: on the ballot, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: remember I'm not entirely sure if we got Aj all
Speaker 1: the way internet, but I remember him being on a
Speaker 1: second chance ballot. He was batting like three p fifteen
Speaker 1: and actually hitting for a good bit of power, like
Speaker 1: one of the best bats in our lineup. One of
Speaker 1: the better hitting catchers in baseball throughout most of his career,
Speaker 1: by the way, not just trying to cloutch you up, Aj,
Speaker 1: but you're really good at hitting the ball, dude. That
Speaker 1: was exciting. Now I see it and I'm like, where
Speaker 1: are these guys coming from? And then I look at
Speaker 1: the actual belt and it's like, you freaking TikTok hitters. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Someone really liked your card on MLB the Show, and
Speaker 1: they decided they're going to vote for you ten times
Speaker 1: a day.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's uh, let's start to closer out though. Obviously
Speaker 1: one of the things do you want to talk about
Speaker 1: because I was a big Ben People's fan, Well, I
Speaker 1: think I was. I don't know, I never got something.
Speaker 1: I never got to see him pitch in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: I think I like this guy I never saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was his stats. I loved looking
Speaker 1: at his stats I really did. I tried to find
Speaker 1: it the deepest way I could possibly look at him,
Speaker 1: Like from a triple A perspective, I was bugging the
Speaker 1: hell out of Michael Swerro and it just feed me
Speaker 1: every little nugget he could, Dude, was Ben People is
Speaker 1: just weird? Like is that? Like the is that what
Speaker 1: we're coming to?
Speaker 2: The crazy thing about like the people, because we've done
Speaker 2: this before, right, we did it? Why didn't they protect
Speaker 2: Peyton Pellette? And why did they trade Christian Mana? Right,
Speaker 2: Like we've done this as fans before. The one thing
Speaker 2: I oddly trust about the white sex right now is
Speaker 2: their ability to evaluate their own players. I have my
Speaker 2: frustrations with how they're developing them, like I've talked ed
Speaker 2: nauseam recently about like the pitching development I think has
Speaker 2: taken a tremendous step backwards. But I still feel like
Speaker 2: they know what they have or don't have. And I
Speaker 2: feel like People's based on the fact they got Ben Hardle,
Speaker 2: who is a twenty three year old high eight catcher,
Speaker 2: like that says a lot about the value that People's had,
Speaker 2: or unless the Socks really think they found a diamond
Speaker 2: in the rough, which by all accounts. I just don't
Speaker 2: think so it says a lot about how the team
Speaker 2: and maybe how the industry viewed people's right. I talked
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, he's really struggling with lefties and
Speaker 2: you can't really have that when you have to have
Speaker 2: a three better minimum in the majors. So and it
Speaker 2: was a kind of a fastball, slider heavy arsenal. We've
Speaker 2: seen that really not work with a Jordan Leisure type
Speaker 2: player for this team, and that's the rationale I can
Speaker 2: give it. Again. We freaked out as a fan base before.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they get more for Christian Mana, Why didn't
Speaker 2: they protect Peyton Pellett? Like? Why didn't they even try
Speaker 2: ben people's like Oddly, I feel that they've earned the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt here with minor trades like this,
Speaker 2: because recently, at least Chris gets Brian Banister have wound
Speaker 2: up on the correct side of these. Now, granted, they
Speaker 2: might be wrong and then you got to have a
Speaker 2: completely different conversation about what do they miss. But at
Speaker 2: least I sit here thinking I'm not going to freak
Speaker 2: out at this point because I think they've earned the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt that hey, if this really isn't
Speaker 2: going to play in the big leagues, they kind of
Speaker 2: feel like they have a good pulse on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could. When I saw the trade,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it was a little bit of
Speaker 1: an initial shock because it's I really thought he would
Speaker 1: be somebody with the way the bullpen's gone, especially as
Speaker 1: of late, that you would want to try to at
Speaker 1: least give a shot to see if you know he
Speaker 1: could do something. You know, like like we brought up
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, Trevor Richards. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Trevor Richards is a great guy. But man,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep on complaining about him until he's gone.
Speaker 1: No offense. You'll you will land on your feet and
Speaker 1: your hair is super cool. But like, dude, Ben, People's like,
Speaker 1: it's not like this. He's like this highly touted prospect.
Speaker 1: He wasn't somebody who you know, had a huge name.
Speaker 2: He just happened.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere he's gone. He's just produced in the minors,
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm just kind of ansty to see
Speaker 1: him in the major I really feel like this is
Speaker 1: probably protecting your investment. Maybe the White Sox really did
Speaker 1: see something that the you know, the fans aren't seeing,
Speaker 1: whether it's behind the scenes with mechanics or you know,
Speaker 1: really taking a good look at his splits with how
Speaker 1: much he does struggle against left handed hitters. It could
Speaker 1: be a scenario where you know, sell sell high because
Speaker 1: you don't think his value is ever going to go
Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere in the zone where it's at right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you know anything about ben hardle
Speaker 1: Las I don't. I have not even like began to
Speaker 1: look into that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean played with Antonaci Walks a lot that
Speaker 2: strikes out at a pretty high clip honestly, twenty five
Speaker 2: percent for a twenty three year old and a high
Speaker 2: A like it's generally average, but not for a twenty
Speaker 2: three year old in high A.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not something they need, right like, especially at that
Speaker 2: low of a level, you don't really have like bat
Speaker 2: speed metrics, things that you can. Oh, maybe that's what
Speaker 2: they see. So all that being said, it feels like
Speaker 2: that says a lot about where people's was. Again, it
Speaker 2: might be a forty man roster decision too. Maybe they
Speaker 2: have some guys that you know they're planning to make
Speaker 2: some moves here at the deadline, and they need to
Speaker 2: start creating some space. I don't know. I just see
Speaker 2: it as at least for now, I I'm not going
Speaker 2: to have the same visceral reaction as a lot of
Speaker 2: the fans. What what are they doing this and this
Speaker 2: and neither, like, yes, they need bullpen help, but like
Speaker 2: I think that's actually a great example. Was great last
Speaker 2: year for the Socks walk to any guys got traded
Speaker 2: or guardians picked him up in the Roal five, it
Speaker 2: was bad in the Majors, came back to the Socks
Speaker 2: doing great and Triple A again still walking too many guys.
Speaker 2: So it feels like it's an apt enough comparison that
Speaker 2: either way, like these these are guys that aren't necessarily
Speaker 2: going to move the needle. I don't think there need.
Speaker 2: They're gonna need to find reinforcements elsewhere, and at the
Speaker 2: very least this opens up a chance for them to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I think the most he was
Speaker 1: is an exciting story and I did I was. I drank,
Speaker 1: I drank some of the ben people's kool aid. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he spikes it with. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: he's gone I.
Speaker 2: Mean, so did I, and but it at a certain
Speaker 2: point it forces you to be like, all right, really,
Speaker 2: why isn't he up here and try and make sense
Speaker 2: of it, which is kind of why I got to
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: Well, in all honesty, dude, the name that's popping in
Speaker 1: my head right now of like what I thought his
Speaker 1: like actual peak realistically would have been, would have been
Speaker 1: like a Jimmy Lambert. Yeah, that's fine. That was the
Speaker 1: fun story for a little bit. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: one out. Jeez, I don't know, I just uh, I
Speaker 1: got it on my nuggin. All right, Las, I think
Speaker 1: we gotta closer out. We still, for the record, we
Speaker 1: still have a lot to talk about. On Sunday, Nick
Speaker 1: will hopefully be back. I'm assuming we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have the full crew. We'll actually be live Monday. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna try and force everybody into a Fourth of
Speaker 2: July plans on a Sunday night, so I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: all traveling, so we'll be going live Monday night. It'll
Speaker 2: be an off day. We'll have four days of Cleveland
Speaker 2: and a day to collect ourselves. The series doesn't go out,
Speaker 2: but either way, yes, we still have plenty more to
Speaker 2: talk about, and I'm sure Cleveland will give us plenty
Speaker 2: on top of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of forgot it was the fourth
Speaker 1: July this upcoming with in the fourth Drive, this.
Speaker 2: Is all about I know. It kind of worked out
Speaker 2: and Joe was.
Speaker 1: Saying, I won that hat like all year. Brother.
Speaker 2: I know, and I love it, But it was for
Speaker 2: the fourth of July, and Joe mentioned in the chat
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, very patriotic. I didn't know the USA
Speaker 2: soccer game was on, So I look super patriotic right now, guys.
Speaker 2: But yes, I hope you all have a great Fourth
Speaker 2: of July weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right, we're running long. Otherwise I
Speaker 1: would just completely tear into this right now because I've
Speaker 1: seen you wear this hat so much.
Speaker 2: It's like, I also, we're knowing it's the fourth of
Speaker 2: July coming up too, Like I could have thrown on
Speaker 2: a different.
Speaker 1: Hat, Like dude, It's like it's like pulling out the
Speaker 1: charcoal grill that's been sitting in your backyard for eleven
Speaker 1: out of the twelve months of the year and being like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull her out for the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: I think it all real.
Speaker 2: Love that I don't care what you say, all right,
Speaker 2: whatever works for me.
Speaker 1: Time to close her out as I pulled down my
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Speaker 1: This has been Duke Coughlin, joined only by Jordansowski. I
Speaker 1: thought I thought we behaved. I didn't think we argue.
Speaker 2: That was relatively tame. I'm proud of us.
Speaker 1: Might might have something to do with its freaking Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and we might be a little burned out from the
Speaker 1: beginning of the week, But yeah, I like it when
Speaker 1: we go along.
Speaker 2: We'll be back as we come.
Speaker 1: We'll be back soon as we cover another week or
Speaker 1: another series of White Sox baseball. Thank you and go
Speaker 1: us out, Go Socks.