WEBVTT - White Sox Series Win in Baltimore and Venable's Managing | Episode 121

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<v Speaker 1>Socks on thirty fifth is next.

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<v Speaker 2>Doors open on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, everybody? This is your host, Duke Coffin.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Socks on thirty fifth podcast. We are

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<v Speaker 1>back with another exciting episode covering yours Chicago White Sox.

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<v Speaker 1>On this midweek edition, I'm joined by my good friend

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Zowski. Nick is currently flying a mile high somewhere. No, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, Jordan, how are we doing? Buddy? You texted

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<v Speaker 1>me some pretty high maintenance stuff before after this game today.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear real fast though, Nick is not flying

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<v Speaker 2>the plane. He is just on a plane somewhere. But also,

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying this two person version. I'm interested to see

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<v Speaker 2>how you and I control ourselves without a mediator in

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<v Speaker 2>between us and Nick. So we'll see how this episode goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean Mike at Old Spicy who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see. And yes, Nick Ower is not a pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that my good friend Jordan Lezowski cleared that

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<v Speaker 1>up for the audience listening at home. But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably could have framed that a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, yeah, I mean, it's nice to win a

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<v Speaker 1>series against Baltimore. Baltimore is like the they were like

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<v Speaker 1>the darling child of the rebuilding baseball world there for

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years. Matt Holliday sun plays for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's cool, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually thought that was crazy today when I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about just the series in general, Like, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>still have many thoughts about how today's game went, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a team that not too long ago everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, yeah, they're they're the up and comers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And just you talk about another team that

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't finish off a rebuild the right way, man,

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<v Speaker 2>the the Orioles certainly qualify as one of those, because

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<v Speaker 2>it has not been very good for them this season

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<v Speaker 2>and you partially see why with some of their pitching

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<v Speaker 2>woes the past few games.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's that's been the name of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>like their whole rebuild, you know, And it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>shame because you have Ad the Rochman, who's probably like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best like young catchers in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairly impressive work as far as uh challenging pitches as

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<v Speaker 1>well throughout this series, and I'm sure his numbers back

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<v Speaker 1>that up as well. He got a really good one

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<v Speaker 1>on Ben Attendee today and then you have Gunnar Henderson

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<v Speaker 1>who's like a could perennial be a perennial MVP candidate

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<v Speaker 1>once he hits his prime and he hasn't even hit

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<v Speaker 1>his prime yet, so that's kind of crazy. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you see, you see what all the discussion

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<v Speaker 1>was about Baltimore heading in heading into the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of seasons. But it seems like every time they should

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten aggressive, they never did. But we will cover

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that as we get into this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram at sax on thirty fifth. Now this is

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<v Speaker 1>a part to live audience where I get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit closer to my mic so everyone can hear me,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as Jordan Zowski tries to talk over me. So

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<v Speaker 1>won the series against Baltimore. Can't complain crazy to think

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<v Speaker 1>that we would be saying this like a year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't complain we want a series. I mean, spee,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we were on the road, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we want a series. No, I mean overall, White Socks

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<v Speaker 1>are doing what they've been doing most of this entire season.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of excitement still in this lineup, and we

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<v Speaker 1>saw it over the course of the first two days.

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<v Speaker 1>Bats went a little bit quiet quiet on Wednesday, but

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the big story of this game was the

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<v Speaker 1>return of Noah Schultz, which is something we've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>eagerly been waiting for and seeing what version of Noah

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<v Speaker 1>Schultz we were going to get. You know, just first reactions, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of Noah Schultz here to start,

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<v Speaker 1>just to just to come back and hopefully build some confidence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I'm going with this. Just jump in, Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think Schultz I've been critical at times. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've talked about that before. Right before he got hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know, I'm not seeing it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the most intrigued I've been, and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>confident i've been after one of his starts. It was

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<v Speaker 2>nice to see the change up used a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like he was going to it like consistently

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. You know, it was Hey, if it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work, one pitch or he was going to it

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<v Speaker 2>within the next couple of pitches. I mean, he only

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<v Speaker 2>threw ten, so it's kind of crazy for me to

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<v Speaker 2>be that happy about it. But that's that's a positive

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<v Speaker 2>step forward for me. What I didn't like on the

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<v Speaker 2>flip side was he threw the sweeper the most of

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<v Speaker 2>all of his pitches, but he threw it mostly to

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<v Speaker 2>right handers, which I don't personally understand especially and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably why when you walked four hitters and

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<v Speaker 2>three of them were to lefties, that can't happen right

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<v Speaker 2>like that, they you he got himself in trouble because

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<v Speaker 2>three of his four were walksward to lefties. That that

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<v Speaker 2>fifth inning start, that issue started with a Jackson Holiday

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<v Speaker 2>walk and Jackson Holiday's not hitting well in his own right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you absolutely can't do it to the eight and

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<v Speaker 2>nine hitters. Overall, thought it was positive. I liked the

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<v Speaker 2>cutter being featured a little bit more too, But the

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<v Speaker 2>big positive for me was the change up and that

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<v Speaker 2>you need some sort of swing and mispitch or or

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<v Speaker 2>something for rightyes to think about that's moving away from them,

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<v Speaker 2>which is at the same time why I hated that

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of the pitches he threw to lo To

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<v Speaker 2>Wrighty's were sweepers like that. That still doesn't jive fully

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<v Speaker 2>with me, but it was a step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you you have you have to really

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<v Speaker 1>have a good breaking pitch, especially something that breaks towards

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<v Speaker 1>the batter, to be able to pull it off as

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<v Speaker 1>a really I guess left you're righty against the opposite side.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not like Chris Sale with the slider,

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<v Speaker 1>where he could throw it to literally anybody standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the box, regardless of what side you're standing on. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not put Noah Schultz's sweeper in that category. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even necessarily a pitch that I've totally fallen in

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<v Speaker 1>love with yet, and I think me and you can

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<v Speaker 1>both agree on that. And especially a pitch that can

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of hang before it starts to drop going

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<v Speaker 1>towards a right handed batter is not you definitely hold

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<v Speaker 1>your breath breath sometimes when you kind of see it

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<v Speaker 1>come out of the hand. But what I will give

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<v Speaker 1>him credit for because it was something that we discussed

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<v Speaker 1>at length anytime we brought up Noah Schultz when he

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<v Speaker 1>was on the roster, and even when he after he

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<v Speaker 1>got injured, kind of discussing what is put away pitch

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be against the right hand batters, and he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gave us a full schmortgage board of that.

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<v Speaker 1>He it's obvious that it's not one pitch yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I really did enjoy what I saw from his change

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<v Speaker 1>up down in a way to right handers. He's doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot better of a job placing that pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily just you know, just barely brush in

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<v Speaker 1>the corner anything like that. It's still a little low,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean that keeps him out of trouble. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily gonna help with his with his walk right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, as we saw as we saw

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday with you know, four walks, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pitch that that is something he should kind of start

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on a little bit, like if he's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just kind of you know, star from scratch and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in Duke's hardest of hearts, you know, gets

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<v Speaker 1>splitter like I would just love him to do. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that change up is a really nice, uh, a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice pitch, and there's a lot of pictures that

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<v Speaker 1>can use a good change up that just drops a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit or has a little bit of an angle

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and when he when he's placing it well,

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<v Speaker 1>when it's not getting too high in the zone, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a very ample put away pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>But with how many right I was gonna say, what's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting about it too? Though? Is he kind of you

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<v Speaker 2>can you can tell it's not a natural pitch yet,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why I think, to your point, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep using it more and finding ways, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we continue to balance this whole winning versus

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<v Speaker 2>development concept throughout this year, and I think we'll continue

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<v Speaker 2>to battle it. But you'd see he'd cut a few

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<v Speaker 2>he'd missed a tongue glove side, so it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not not fully there yet. But I think to

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<v Speaker 2>your point, and I think you were getting right into

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<v Speaker 2>it as well, it's like you're gonna teams are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>stack righties against you, so you better be ready to

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<v Speaker 2>combat that somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, and that that changeup absolutely cannot rise facing

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<v Speaker 1>righties like that is just a it's method for disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, no, it's it's still scattered. I'm sure when

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<v Speaker 1>the pitching chart comes out I don't have it in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me. Typically that's a baseball savant, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>early morning thing that I'll look at when I start

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<v Speaker 1>my work day. But it's something like that's the short

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<v Speaker 1>term fix for me right now to kind of solve

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<v Speaker 1>that issue. And I don't hate what he did with

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<v Speaker 1>his cutter as kind of something to change the eye level,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that you know, when you aren't in

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<v Speaker 1>a position to just develop a new pitch on the fly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this isn't MLB the show. We can't just

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<v Speaker 1>do that by you know, putting stacking so many experience

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<v Speaker 1>put in a pitch we want to have. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>worked pretty effectively. You know the fact that he got

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<v Speaker 1>through you know, four and a third seven strikeouts shows

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<v Speaker 1>that he had enough put away stuff. His fourth inning

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<v Speaker 1>was dominant. If you didn't watch the game today, I

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<v Speaker 1>would highly recommend at least going back and watching the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth inning. And this is me talking to the folks home.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Las, I know Laz watched the entire game.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the full feedback after it. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>is that fourth inning of Noah Schultz is the confidence

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see in a young picture like this,

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<v Speaker 1>to where if you're going to make mistakes. You're at

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<v Speaker 1>least attacking the batter and you're making them have to

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<v Speaker 1>chase against you. Plus, you know seeing Kobe Mayo, for

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<v Speaker 1>so many obvious reasons, strike out and get angry about it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so fantastic. It's actually a gif I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that's interesting about that too, though, is it

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<v Speaker 2>was the same thing I used to say, and I

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny to hear me being so critical same thing

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<v Speaker 2>I used to say about Dylan ceases far. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you watch that inning? Though I know in totality

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<v Speaker 2>it probably didn't look like what you wanted, But did

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<v Speaker 2>you watch that inning? It's like, that's what you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at as a neutral observer. Usually there's why they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to put him out there and stuff like that. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I will say about Schultz today, and it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gets into probably some of the negativity I

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<v Speaker 2>have regarding today. I don't know why he and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he will be moving forward. I don't know why he

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a candidate for an opener. I think he has

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<v Speaker 2>not shown an ability to go deep in games, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the White Sox have enough guys or may

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<v Speaker 2>soon have enough guys to cover those early innings to

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<v Speaker 2>where they very clearly did not watch Schultz facing the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the order a third time. Every time they've

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<v Speaker 2>done that with a player this year, there's been an opener.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm confused why that hasn't been a thing yet

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that kind of screw umtay. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>just Schultz's fault, right, They've only really stretched him out

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<v Speaker 2>to eighty pitches, so he was at his limit anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that was the flip side of it

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<v Speaker 2>for me. For as good as it was, it was

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<v Speaker 2>still almost like that cease like outing of oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>we're only in the fifth inning and we got to

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<v Speaker 2>cover fifteen out somehow at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like it, you know, as you bring up cease,

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<v Speaker 1>I always think of the classic Road on example or

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<v Speaker 1>early in his career too, because it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the same story. I don't hate the idea of an

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<v Speaker 1>opener for Schultz, and this is spoken to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't not fully in love with openers in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>because they can be used as training wheels a bit

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<v Speaker 1>too long for guys who should not need one. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would work really well for him. It

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<v Speaker 1>would help him build a little bit of confidence against

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<v Speaker 1>a weaker part of the order. Instead of just facing

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<v Speaker 1>top top four guys right off the bat, you'd be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have a strong inning from somebody as an opener,

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<v Speaker 1>have him, you know, get get some rhythm in before

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<v Speaker 1>he has to face the strong part of the order.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like that's what a lot of openers

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<v Speaker 1>are used for in baseball, is to kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>that tough part of the batting order through. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hate that idea, and I think, I guess, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if I could if I get kind of tied up

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<v Speaker 1>with the bow. As far as what I saw from

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<v Speaker 1>Schultz today, I saw improvement. I saw confidence, And with

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<v Speaker 1>a pitcher who you know, has had early struggles, that's

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<v Speaker 1>always kind of one of the top things you have

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<v Speaker 1>to really look for is when a guy is struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt about it, but he's continuing to battle.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something that you know, we need to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to see moving forward, and we need to see that

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<v Speaker 1>with any young pictures we have coming up here, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've all seen the shell shocked pitcher and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even our boy Dylan Cees early on he did have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the shell shocked when he would pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>when he wouldn't pitch well. But I mean, dude, look

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<v Speaker 1>at Dylan Ce's now like one of the most confident

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<v Speaker 1>pitchers on the mound. When he's rolling, and even when

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<v Speaker 1>he's not, he's met he's mad at himself more than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can possibly mad at him. So that's the direction

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see us move. And overall, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a shame because Noah really did pitch well through the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth inning, ran into trouble, and you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to excuse him by starting to point the blame

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<v Speaker 1>at the bullpen and how well they did. But you

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<v Speaker 1>have to put your bullpen in a better, better position

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<v Speaker 1>in than that. Brian Hudson was given a tall task

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<v Speaker 1>to just kind of jump into, especially being asked to

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<v Speaker 1>give to uh, get two outs in that situation, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to you have to understand what your

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<v Speaker 1>bullpen is as a starting pitcher for the White Sox.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think, and I don't know this was me,

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<v Speaker 2>like I took a nap today to like kind of nap.

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<v Speaker 2>See if I changed afterwards and I'm still very absurd,

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<v Speaker 2>bit like this is this gonna simmer me down or not?

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, one thing that really frush. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. I think it was a poorly managed game.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been or well and again, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of these people that's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Sky's falling because he had a poorly managed

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<v Speaker 2>game or whatever. I think he poorly managed a game, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the point We've all spoken Venimal's praises on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. But you have a day like today where

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<v Speaker 2>you have a very similar guy in Noah Schultz, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you bring in Brian Hudson and they're basically the

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<v Speaker 2>same picture in a lot of respects. Like Brian Hudson

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<v Speaker 2>is because him fastball only for whatever reason, did not

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<v Speaker 2>have a great June and has reverse splits, so lefties

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<v Speaker 2>hit him way better than righty's. The first batter he

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<v Speaker 2>was facing was a lefty, and then once that left

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<v Speaker 2>he got a hit, you put yourself in a no

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<v Speaker 2>win situation and then you your splits didn't kind of

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even matter today because the Orioles basically saw the

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<v Speaker 2>same picture for the first two times through the order. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Schultz is a little bit more variety. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a kind of sidewinding fastball and that's all you're seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was poorly managed. He should not have

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<v Speaker 2>been the first guy out of the bullpen. If the

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<v Speaker 2>option was either him or Richard, I still probably would

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<v Speaker 2>have gone Richard, as crazy as that is, just to

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<v Speaker 2>mix it up a little bit. I just that that

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<v Speaker 2>That was one of two things that really bothered me

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<v Speaker 2>today was how he managed what was still a very

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<v Speaker 2>close part. It was one to one at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you have to have a serious I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll touch on that point, like the overall point, but

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<v Speaker 1>just the Trevor Richard point. How long if we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>like be serious about being contending baseball team, or we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a Trevor Richards in the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the roster churn we talked about, like why

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<v Speaker 2>we saw with Tyler Davis. So there's still some ability

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. You're gonna have to continue to churn

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<v Speaker 2>and if like, there's got to be a better option.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if these I get it, it's the fifth inning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the best time to be trying to use

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<v Speaker 2>a high leverage guy. But I feel like there's still

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be something else they could have tried today, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it was like, hey, it was either Hudson

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<v Speaker 2>or Richards, I still would have gone Richards, just to

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<v Speaker 2>mix up the looks a little bit. Like at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, it wasn't a good situation to

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<v Speaker 2>bring a lefty side armor in at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, No, I think I think you're spot on. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you notice me, like look up

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<v Speaker 1>at a certain point when you were doing your last point.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just thought of the Sir Anthony Domingus vortex

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<v Speaker 1>that we just continue to find ourselves in, and how

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<v Speaker 1>much it drives me nuts. And this is not a defense,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Anthony Domingus, but it's knowing what you have and

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<v Speaker 1>knowing splits. It's that simple. And I want to pull

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<v Speaker 1>my hair out every time I see Sir Anthony Domingus

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<v Speaker 1>go in to a ballgame, whether it's fifth inning, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's the seventh inning, whether it's the eighth inning, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's the ninth inning, and there's two left handers that

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<v Speaker 1>he has to face that weren't pinch hit they're just there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's at no point in his career was he

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<v Speaker 1>good against left handed batting. You always had to protect

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<v Speaker 1>him from left hand batting, and that's why he was

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<v Speaker 1>never closer.

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<v Speaker 2>But and it's it's such a weird thing too though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, and I didn't look up like Henderson's splits.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure henderson splits. Splits are probably worse against lefties,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to weigh it on both sides, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what's more important to you is it that your your

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<v Speaker 2>pitcher has reverse splits or that you know Henderson maybe

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't hit lefties as well. Again, I'm saying that because

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<v Speaker 2>that's in my head. I haven't looked up Henderson's split,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm assuming that was the logic behind it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I tend to err on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>you got one guy throwing pitches, like a flat ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one is still a flat ninety one. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>if Henderson has never gotten a hit off a left

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<v Speaker 2>in his life, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and you end up going to Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Hicks later in the game, who is far from an

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<v Speaker 1>ideal pick anyway, But I understand like having to pitch

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<v Speaker 1>him today, And I understand why the Socks are giving

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<v Speaker 1>him an extended look because he does have disgusting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>When he can keep it in the zone and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>keep it in the ballpark, you know, why not give

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<v Speaker 1>that different look? You know, I think you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>nailed it at the top of this point with Noah

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<v Speaker 1>Schultz and Brian Hudson are too similar. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going for a change of pace, especially against the guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Gunner Henderson, why not toss the guy out there

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<v Speaker 1>that throws gas and stuff that moves from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the right you know, from a right handed arm angle. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Gunner hand. I don't even need to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>splits to understand that Gunner Henderson kills right handed pitching.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's getting to the point where he's good enough

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<v Speaker 1>for he's gonna hit. You know, He's not someone you

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<v Speaker 1>ever leave out of the lineup because there's a lefty

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<v Speaker 1>on the mound. He's gonna be in the lineup every

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<v Speaker 1>single day, and he's going to be an all star

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<v Speaker 1>caliber shortstop and batter every single day. So like I

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<v Speaker 1>almost wonder, you know, And I'm not a major league manager,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't say like that. I know, better than say, well, Venable,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just like to I would like to see,

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<v Speaker 1>like what what the process is in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>elimination of who who he should and shouldn't bring in

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<v Speaker 1>on a particular situation, and like what gauges that decision,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what I end up really kind of losing

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<v Speaker 1>my mind about too. I didn't get to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore game live. I got to watch it after the

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<v Speaker 1>fact once I got home from work. But so many

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<v Speaker 1>games that I watched from the White Sex. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is from a dedicated like I'm a Will Venable guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I something about it. You know, the cut of his jib.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing that is really getting hard to ignore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I thought I was nitpicking at first,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like it's continuing to be a pressing

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<v Speaker 1>issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeorde right, Like again, it's I don't want it to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh my god, why didn't they put Grant

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor And why didn't they put in Sir Anthony Mingus

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<v Speaker 2>Like I I that's an unreasonable asking the fifth inning.

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<v Speaker 2>But if your two options were kind of Richard's or Hudson,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to change it up a little bit, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know. That's that's a frustration for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson hasn't said well this year. But he's slightly better

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties too, like for his career, way better against righty's.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you care about the season? Do you care

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<v Speaker 2>about the career?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>None of it jobs. Even when I saw him come in,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know if I'd be doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like, you know, Schultz was cruising and then

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<v Speaker 2>it was like an oh shit, he's not cruising anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Who can get up and ready fastest? And that was

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<v Speaker 2>the result, And I don't love that. Again, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>game they won the series. Is it might? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>micro analyzing this? Probably? But at the same time, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to a point in the season where

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<v Speaker 2>these games are gonna matter. Hopefully you're getting to a

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<v Speaker 2>point where this in the season where the games matter,

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<v Speaker 2>or even if it's not this season, it will be

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<v Speaker 2>a season for Venable, Like you got to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to figure this out, right, Like you can't even if

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<v Speaker 2>it is just an oh shit moment. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>have enough information be like, I don't know, at least

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<v Speaker 2>change a pace a little bit, especially when the splits

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<v Speaker 2>are the way they were for Hudson specifically Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jordan, it's becoming too often to be just being

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<v Speaker 1>a shit moment. It's becoming a bit of a trend.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I feel like, no matter how good

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<v Speaker 1>this team ends up doing, you can't just sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and ignore a trend like that. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>this is necessarily negative of venable at all. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's something that you have to have an honest

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with as you get down the line, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, dude, that's gonna be the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to burn you down the line. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of similar to like think with like Great Council when

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<v Speaker 1>he started messing around with his bullpens when he was

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<v Speaker 1>in Milwaukee early on. It was awesome, everyone loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you see what happens in the playoffs when you

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<v Speaker 1>tink you with your bullpen too much and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have arms at the end of it, or you pull

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<v Speaker 1>a starter who is doing very well and then trying

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<v Speaker 1>to save him for a potential game that might not

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<v Speaker 1>even be played because you pulled him too early, and

0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 1>your bullpen's dead tired because they've been pitching good sixty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of your ball games, and that's where the Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Cubs are left with now. But it's it's situation you

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay attention to because it confester and it

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<v Speaker 1>can become an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It just didn't. It didn't presents like that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned on Sun at You there was an article

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<v Speaker 2>that came out recently about how why they bunch so

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<v Speaker 2>much and why they use abs so often, like almost

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 2>an insanely aggressive amount, and it was kind of like, hey,

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to get like you can't take them home

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 2>with you basically, and we're trying to be aggressive about it.

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Nothing about the way he handled that situation jived with

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 2>what he's kind of said of like, hey, we need

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:37.719
<v Speaker 2>to be aggressed, We need to treat every situation as

0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it's important. That was that kind of felt like he

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 2>got caught off guard, and you contrast that with the

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:52.679
<v Speaker 2>bunting that happened today. I think I'm trying to figure

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>out the rationale behind a fifth inning bunt leading the

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 2>game to move a runner from first to second. I'm

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out the rationale behind that for those

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>who maybe like are are new to our show or

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of my way of thinking. There's things called run expectancies.

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna bore you with the details, but you

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 2>are basically less likely to score a run when you

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 2>move a runner from first to second via bunt. So

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 2>now you have instead of man at first no outs,

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>man it second one out. That is, man a second

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>one out is a lower probability situation of scoring a

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 2>run than man at first no outs. And this is

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 2>over years and years worth of data. And this is

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.719
<v Speaker 2>not the seventh inning. You're playing for an insurance run.

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Even there, I'm like, all right, but I kind of

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:46.640
<v Speaker 2>get it. This is the fifth inning of a ball game.

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>But if you want to play with that sense of

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.719
<v Speaker 2>urgency as a manager, like hey, every run we can

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>get counts, then it should work on the other side,

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>where hey, every run we give up matters. It was

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 2>a tie game. You were caught off guard with your

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 2>starting pitcher who was around eighty pitches going into the inning,

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and your option was a guy who has reverse splits

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and has basically the same arm angle as the pitcher

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>who started the game, and your low leverage guy. Once

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>he gave up a couple runs, nothing about the way

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:19.919
<v Speaker 2>he managed.

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>That game.

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Was aligned with kind of what he's been saying previously.

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>The bunting thing is driving me nuts. He is asking

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 2>guys to bunt into unoptimal situations early in games, and

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that is beyond frustrating to me. You're winning a game

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and you're giving up an out? Why sty you see

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>what the you see what the Orioles did. The Orioles

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>just kept hitting and hitting once they walked Henderson, or

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, once they walked Holiday. You didn't see Alexander

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>come up and bunt. No, he took an O two

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 2>pitch and singled, Like that's what modern offenses do in

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>the fifth inning of a ballgame, in the eighth or

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the ninth. Fine, I get it, and I don't totally

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>get it, but I kind of get it right Like,

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 2>but in the fifth inning of a game, you're winning

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and acune has been hitting better too, Like you haven't

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 2>been on for us to give you your flowers about

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Acunya's recent hot streak, Like you can't do it like

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you do that in that situation. He's not the buck

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 2>forty hitter right now either. Nothing about today's situations made

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>sense to me, And that's right where the game flipped

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>was in that fifth inning.

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I'm I'm very much believer in And this

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 1>is this is where I disagree with you lads in

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>the sense of just bunting as a whole. I do

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>think there is scenarios where bunting, bunting works. Bunting is

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 1>something that can get you from point A to point

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>B faster. Uh. That was like one of the big

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>aspects of ozziebel Osie ball. I really enjoyed. But Ozzie

0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>got away with that because he had skop Posenic leading off,

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>who could get on the first base and steal second

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>before anybody had to put a bunt down. That's not

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the situation they're running in.

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the big part of it. And then Venable tried

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to correct his mistake by having acunea steel and then

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 2>he got thrown out stealing seconds. It's like you just

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 2>gave up two runs in that inning or two outs

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>in that inning. Like the most valuable thing you have

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>in baseball are your outs. To just kick them aside,

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>it's mind numbing to me. And again, bunting is at

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>its highest level got in years at this point that

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.439
<v Speaker 2>they put out an article recently. Bunting is at its

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>highest level in years. But it's a lot of squeezes,

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's a lot of bunts for hits. And you

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>look at the teams that bunt a ton Tampa Bay,

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee White Sox, Okay, all first place teams. The other

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>six teams that do it a lot. Arizona twelve and

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>a half games back, Cincinnati last place, Saint Louis third place,

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Colorado last place, Boston last place, Kansas City last place.

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's not a viable way to build an offense,

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>especially one that has had this hit the second most

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>home runs in baseball this year. It just doesn't make sense,

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>even if, yes, the game is trending back towards bunt

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and fine, like I have since very much softened on

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 2>my never bunt take, Like there is a time and

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 2>place the fifth inning, no outs run around first with

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>a bottomier order up. That's just not doing it for me.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Drew Romo was on deck and everyone wants to get

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>rid of him, like that's your next titter. It just

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>nothing about the situation made sense to me.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Drew Romo did not have a fantastic game defense.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's set it up and think he's gonna get a

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>base hit, like the guy's here because he has better

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>defense than Caro and can run the ball out of

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the ballpark bunting a runner to second. You're looking for

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a guy who can hit with runner of the scoring position, right,

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>he's got a buck ninety buck forty maybe bad average,

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Like you need a base hit in that situation. That's

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>not the guy who's gonna get one to you.

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's His entire job title is placeholder until Edgar

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Carroll like learned how to hit and Charlotte and comes back.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Because that's the thing is defense isn't even like worth

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>like worth that type of like spot, you know what

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Because I thought I thought he could tag

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it home plate. That's me being a little nitpicky, But

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I did not think he He kind of positioned himself

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>in front of them or in front of the plate's legal,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. He didn't. He didn't position

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>himself well with Braiden's throw from right field. I thought

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Braiden should have gotten an out on that play. Couldn't

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>tell you what ending it was from. I really rushed

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you this game, guys, but I just I've seen enough Drew.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I was probably that hell ish fifth inning where everything

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>went wrong.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>It was actually yes, it was.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>You talk about how and people are like, what does

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>it matter a fifth inning bunt? Why you can playing

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>about a fifth inning?

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Bnth, No.

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Change the game was the fifth inning. They gave up

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>two outs in the top of the fifth, gave away

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the game in the bottom, put in Trevor Richards, and

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>that was the end of the ball game. Like you

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>play nine innings, but the fifth inning decided everything. You know.

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>LEAs. My entire argument for this bunt being in the

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>fifth inning, which I already just really did not like

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.719
<v Speaker 1>in the fucking first place, especially considering how good all

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>all the people involved are hitting, is why do you

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>not steal a kuna first? Why in the world would

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you make him run from first and then.

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>It just once once you screwed up the the once

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>you screwed up the bunt, trying to fix it by

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>stealing him was an abysmal idea Like that I could

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I could sense him like he's going to try and

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 2>steal him, to try and get himself in the same

0:30:56.480 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>situation that is way too high a risk for very

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>little reward, Like it's just you get yourself thrown out

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and you again like, I don't know.

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>You need to be able to have somebody on first base.

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>You need to be able to have somebody on first

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>base in that situation to be able to steal second

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>before you even think about laying that bunt down. That's it.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I just and so it's frustrating for me where it's

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>like the guy who was up was not the guy

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>you want up for a situation. Like even if you

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to play for one run and get a single, cool,

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that's great. Why are you asking the guy that's hitting

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a buck forty to do it? Right? Like unless you

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>had grand plans for Kyle Teal to pinch it, which

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I assume they didn't, because otherwise he would have played. Like,

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's just with runners and scoring position.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>This year, Drew Romo's hitting seventy four, so I don't

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>know what the thought process was, Like you need a

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>hit in that situations.

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>He had a really good first week of baseball. You

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>need to carry that.

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>His role is go try and hit bombs and be

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a placeholder. So I just I just don't bombs dropping, man, No,

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 2>right now, it's not a lot of bombs are not

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>dropping either, So it's I don't know, it was. It

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>was a very frustrating inning that just felt forced. Like,

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what this offense is. It's it's a power

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>based offense that that is largely structured around good on

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>base percentage, good slug and you deal with home or

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>deal with the strikeouts because you get the home runs.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what this team is meant to be. And you

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>venable continues to operate in ways that don't jive with

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the collective makeup of this ball club. Yes, there are

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the Antonacis and the my drafts on this team totally,

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>even the Yakuni totally get that, but they're like ancillary

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 2>characters to this story. Your your offense is a more

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>modern offense than it's been in the past. Stop trying

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to do things that aren't modern offense based.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Keep your just keep your pause off it, just let it,

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>let the offense, let it develop.

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>This is a team that scored what nine runs and

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>eight runs in the past two games. Yeah, of course

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>they weren't going to score that many. But there's always

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the chance that that team pops off. But you know

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>when they can't pop off, when you start giving up outs, yes,

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean you know, and.

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>It'd be one thing. If this lineup's only done it

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple times this season, it's like, no, they've literally

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it almost feels like at least one game every series,

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>our offense just decides like, yeah, we're carrying it today,

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like we don't care. We're just gonna score runs and

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>we're going to hit the hell out of the baseball.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And even if it's an out, dude, like we're gonna

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>spread it. We're gonna make every outfielder work. We're gonna

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>make every fielder work, and we're gonna hit it hard

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>as hell.

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>And maybe today wasn't that day, but I'd rather go

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>down trying to play baseball that way than trying to

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 2>play like I don't know the Royals right, Like, I'd

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>rather try and play this team's offense because how many

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>times And this is something I'm probably gonna have to

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:22.959
<v Speaker 2>do research on at some point because I complain about

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 2>it a lot, like how many times do these bunts work? Right?

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it if you're playing for one run in the

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>ninth inning or the tenth inning, like sure, those will work,

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like largely these especially the ones trying

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>to get them from first to second with one out,

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't work at the level at which did the

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 2>White Sox use it. I think that's my biggest issue. Again,

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>if it's the seventh inning and you really need an

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>insurance run and it's still one to nothing, cool, I

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>totally get the idea. I might not agree, but I

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 2>get the process behind it. It's the fifth inning and

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>you're winning, you got that kick. Can't be the situation

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>for it?

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think there's there's a lot of things

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that need to go to account. You know, like how

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>gooven arm does the catcher have, How strong of a

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>defender is the pitcher? You know, how how quick on

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the feed is the third base in the first base.

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 1>There's so many different scenarios that go into it, and honestly,

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of that's thrown out the window if

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't have like a true blue, kind of old

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 1>school leadoff hitter. And Sam is great at so many things,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>but I would not ever put a comparison to him

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to like a Scopit Sednik or you know, insert lead

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>off hitter here who steals forty bases a year. You

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, You're gonna want him to swing

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>the bad way anyway?

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Why?

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>You know why waste a bunt on something like that,

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 1>or you know, if you do have him on first, why,

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>why in the world will you chance putting him into

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>a double play or bunting him across. I don't know,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and I really don't want in ourselves in circles I find.

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I know thing I will say, like, I don't want

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>this to turn into a I hate Will Venable or

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Will Venable sucks as a manager because I see a

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of that, and he does things that a young

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>manager does who's never managed a winning ball club before.

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>And I get that, and that's fine, but I feel

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>like these are these are ones that are forced to

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>where like you insert kind of like you had said,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 2>hands off the wheel at some point, like these are

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>where you force yourself yourself into making a decision that

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to make. Just let this offense go.

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>I I would rather, personally, as a fan, watch this

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>offense sputter, knowing they could put up six runs at

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>any given point than try and play ASIE ball with

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 2>a team that's not built to play ASIE ball and

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 2>try and go for the fifth inning.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Terrible version of the first.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not even a good version of ball either, Right,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 2>like it. It's like the Temu version of Ozzie Ball

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's it's it doesn't make sense for what

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>this team is built to be doing is correct.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>No, there's there's a time and a place, and your

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>lineup construction has to work around it. Our lineup construction

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>is freaking most everybody's hitting right now. Just let them

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>get the bat off their freaking shoulder and swing like

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I want wil Venable to just take like three steps

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 1>back and have even if it's just like a week

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 1>or a series, just feel like, you know what all

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do is I'm gonna I'm gonna toss

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>some steel signs out there. I might, i might pinch

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>hit somebody, but overall, I'm gonna let these guys kind

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>of go because they're one of the hottest offenses in baseball,

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 1>and these guys like to hit for power. So we're

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>just if it doesn't work, we're in the seventh inning

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and we're just really getting nothing going. By all means,

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>throw everything you fucking got at it and try to

0:37:56.200 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>manufacture a run if you can't. But when when it's

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>working and you've already shown you can hit the ball

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>that day and lineup's kind of got a little bit

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of juice. Leave a beat. But all right, I think

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 1>we talked about Bunting for good twenty minutes there, twenty

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>more minutes than I ever want to talk about Bunting's

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, We're going to try to keep her a

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>little short today, mainly because there's still a whole weekend

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 1>of baseball here coming up, and it's it's July. Man,

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>the All Start All Star Games is starting to get

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>around the corner, Man, that's starting to heat up. If

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>you have not voted for the Chicago White Socks, Miguel

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Vargas specifically, what are you doing?

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Well? Unfortunately, did you see now they're into the second

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 2>round where fans can only vote for the top two.

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 2>There's Yeah, it's so bad. Oh my god, I don't

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.320
<v Speaker 2>even want to get into how bad. Like I've always

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 2>been a fan of All Star voting for fans. This year,

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know what, maybe not, maybe we're done

0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>with this.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>This far vote work. So like most probably most teams

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>we watched growing up, lads, we were just excited because

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 1>we like we always had like the second chance guy

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>on the ballot, you know what I mean, Like I

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>remember I'm not entirely sure if we got Aj all

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the way internet, but I remember him being on a

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>second chance ballot. He was batting like three p fifteen

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and actually hitting for a good bit of power, like

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the best bats in our lineup. One of

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 1>the better hitting catchers in baseball throughout most of his career,

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>by the way, not just trying to cloutch you up, Aj,

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>but you're really good at hitting the ball, dude. That

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>was exciting. Now I see it and I'm like, where

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>are these guys coming from? And then I look at

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the actual belt and it's like, you freaking TikTok hitters. Unbelievable.

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Someone really liked your card on MLB the Show, and

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they decided they're going to vote for you ten times

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 1>a day.

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It's disgusting.

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's uh, let's start to closer out though. Obviously

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the things do you want to talk about

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>because I was a big Ben People's fan, Well, I

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>think I was. I don't know, I never got something.

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I never got to see him pitch in Major League Baseball.

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I think I like this guy I never saw.

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he was his stats. I loved looking

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>at his stats I really did. I tried to find

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it the deepest way I could possibly look at him,

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Like from a triple A perspective, I was bugging the

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>hell out of Michael Swerro and it just feed me

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>every little nugget he could, Dude, was Ben People is

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>just weird? Like is that? Like the is that what

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>we're coming to?

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 2>The crazy thing about like the people, because we've done

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>this before, right, we did it? Why didn't they protect

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Peyton Pellette? And why did they trade Christian Mana? Right,

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Like we've done this as fans before. The one thing

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I oddly trust about the white sex right now is

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>their ability to evaluate their own players. I have my

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 2>frustrations with how they're developing them, like I've talked ed

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>nauseam recently about like the pitching development I think has

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 2>taken a tremendous step backwards. But I still feel like

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>they know what they have or don't have. And I

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like People's based on the fact they got Ben Hardle,

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>who is a twenty three year old high eight catcher,

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>like that says a lot about the value that People's had,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>or unless the Socks really think they found a diamond

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>in the rough, which by all accounts. I just don't

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 2>think so it says a lot about how the team

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and maybe how the industry viewed people's right. I talked

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago, he's really struggling with lefties and

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 2>you can't really have that when you have to have

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a three better minimum in the majors. So and it

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 2>was a kind of a fastball, slider heavy arsenal. We've

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 2>seen that really not work with a Jordan Leisure type

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 2>player for this team, and that's the rationale I can

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 2>give it. Again. We freaked out as a fan base before.

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't they get more for Christian Mana, Why didn't

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>they protect Peyton Pellett? Like? Why didn't they even try

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>ben people's like Oddly, I feel that they've earned the

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt here with minor trades like this,

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>because recently, at least Chris gets Brian Banister have wound

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>up on the correct side of these. Now, granted, they

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>might be wrong and then you got to have a

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 2>completely different conversation about what do they miss. But at

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>least I sit here thinking I'm not going to freak

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 2>out at this point because I think they've earned the

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt that hey, if this really isn't

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 2>going to play in the big leagues, they kind of

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like they have a good pulse on it.

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it could. When I saw the trade,

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess, you know, it was a little bit of

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>an initial shock because it's I really thought he would

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>be somebody with the way the bullpen's gone, especially as

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 1>of late, that you would want to try to at

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>least give a shot to see if you know he

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>could do something. You know, like like we brought up

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>at the top of the show, Trevor Richards. You know,

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Trevor Richards is a great guy. But man,

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna keep on complaining about him until he's gone.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 1>No offense. You'll you will land on your feet and

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 1>your hair is super cool. But like, dude, Ben, People's like,

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not like this. He's like this highly touted prospect.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't somebody who you know, had a huge name.

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>He just happened.

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 1>He's everywhere he's gone. He's just produced in the minors,

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and I guess I'm just kind of ansty to see

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 1>him in the major I really feel like this is

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>probably protecting your investment. Maybe the White Sox really did

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.839
<v Speaker 1>see something that the you know, the fans aren't seeing,

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>whether it's behind the scenes with mechanics or you know,

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>really taking a good look at his splits with how

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>much he does struggle against left handed hitters. It could

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>be a scenario where you know, sell sell high because

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't think his value is ever going to go

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>anywhere anywhere in the zone where it's at right now.

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if you know anything about ben hardle

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Las I don't. I have not even like began to

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 1>look into that.

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean played with Antonaci Walks a lot that

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>strikes out at a pretty high clip honestly, twenty five

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 2>percent for a twenty three year old and a high

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>A like it's generally average, but not for a twenty

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 2>three year old in high A.

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not something they need, right like, especially at that

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>low of a level, you don't really have like bat

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>speed metrics, things that you can. Oh, maybe that's what

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>they see. So all that being said, it feels like

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that says a lot about where people's was. Again, it

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>might be a forty man roster decision too. Maybe they

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 2>have some guys that you know they're planning to make

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>some moves here at the deadline, and they need to

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>start creating some space. I don't know. I just see

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it as at least for now, I I'm not going

0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to have the same visceral reaction as a lot of

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the fans. What what are they doing this and this

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and neither, like, yes, they need bullpen help, but like

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 2>I think that's actually a great example. Was great last

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>year for the Socks walk to any guys got traded

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 2>or guardians picked him up in the Roal five, it

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was bad in the Majors, came back to the Socks

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.879
<v Speaker 2>doing great and Triple A again still walking too many guys.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>So it feels like it's an apt enough comparison that

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>either way, like these these are guys that aren't necessarily

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>going to move the needle. I don't think there need.

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna need to find reinforcements elsewhere, and at the

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 2>very least this opens up a chance for them to

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:36.320
<v Speaker 2>do it.

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think I think the most he was

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>is an exciting story and I did I was. I drank,

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I drank some of the ben people's kool aid. I

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know what he spikes it with. Maybe that's why

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>he's gone I.

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Mean, so did I, and but it at a certain

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 2>point it forces you to be like, all right, really,

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>why isn't he up here and try and make sense

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 2>of it, which is kind of why I got to

0:45:59.239 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 2>this point.

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, in all honesty, dude, the name that's popping in

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 1>my head right now of like what I thought his

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like actual peak realistically would have been, would have been

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like a Jimmy Lambert. Yeah, that's fine. That was the

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 1>fun story for a little bit. Yeah, I mean that

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>one out. Jeez, I don't know, I just uh, I

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>got it on my nuggin. All right, Las, I think

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>we gotta closer out. We still, for the record, we

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>still have a lot to talk about. On Sunday, Nick

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>will hopefully be back. I'm assuming we're gonna.

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Have the full crew. We'll actually be live Monday. We're

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>not gonna try and force everybody into a Fourth of

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>July plans on a Sunday night, so I'm sure you're

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 2>all traveling, so we'll be going live Monday night. It'll

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 2>be an off day. We'll have four days of Cleveland

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and a day to collect ourselves. The series doesn't go out,

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>but either way, yes, we still have plenty more to

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about, and I'm sure Cleveland will give us plenty

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>on top of that.

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I kind of forgot it was the fourth

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 1>July this upcoming with in the fourth Drive, this.

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Is all about I know. It kind of worked out

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and Joe was.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, I won that hat like all year. Brother.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I love it, But it was for

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth of July, and Joe mentioned in the chat

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, very patriotic. I didn't know the USA

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<v Speaker 2>soccer game was on, So I look super patriotic right now, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, I hope you all have a great Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>of July weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. All right, we're running long. Otherwise I

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<v Speaker 1>would just completely tear into this right now because I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen you wear this hat so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I also, we're knowing it's the fourth of

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<v Speaker 2>July coming up too, Like I could have thrown on

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<v Speaker 2>a different.

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<v Speaker 1>Hat, Like dude, It's like it's like pulling out the

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<v Speaker 1>charcoal grill that's been sitting in your backyard for eleven

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<v Speaker 1>out of the twelve months of the year and being like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pull her out for the fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it all real.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that I don't care what you say, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever works for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to close her out as I pulled down my

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<v Speaker 1>This has been Duke Coughlin, joined only by Jordansowski. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I thought we behaved. I didn't think we argue.

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<v Speaker 2>That was relatively tame. I'm proud of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Might might have something to do with its freaking Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and we might be a little burned out from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the week, But yeah, I like it when

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<v Speaker 1>we go along.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back as we come.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back soon as we cover another week or

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<v Speaker 1>another series of White Sox baseball. Thank you and go

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<v Speaker 1>us out, Go Socks.