Speaker 1: Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was your man.
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Speaker 1: on side. No one can do with clide, my Caralam Carola.
Speaker 1: No one can do within clid like Carol Carola. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I know music, I know people, and I know the
Speaker 1: questions do you want to ask? So let's get Hyper
Speaker 1: heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there
Speaker 1: could be adult content. I'm so excited to welcome Gary
Speaker 1: Burr and Georgia Middleman to the show today. They are
Speaker 1: a freaking power couple in country music. When it comes
Speaker 1: to songwriting, They've written so many number one hits between
Speaker 1: the two of them. Gary's and the freaking Country Music
Speaker 1: Songwriters Hall of Fame plays in Ringo Stars band as
Speaker 1: well as Carol King's. George has written songs for Keith Urban.
Speaker 1: They're both on a trio with Kenny Loggins, and they
Speaker 1: are two of my most favorite people ever. They're going
Speaker 1: to make you laugh so hard and their stories are
Speaker 1: gonna blow your mind. Y'all give it up for Gary
Speaker 1: and Georgia. Hi I'm here with Georgia Middleman and Gary Burke. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how's it helling you guys? Good? It's fabulous, Rainy. I
Speaker 1: know I used to write songs with you guys for
Speaker 1: like a decade. He's still writing. Nope, gave it all up,
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, I tell Gary, you know it's not
Speaker 1: my true calling. Ten years of trying, trying it and
Speaker 1: now onto interviewing. There you go. This is it. So
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of an interesting combination because first off,
Speaker 1: your both hit songwriters. That's super sexy. Well, if you're
Speaker 1: going down that list, all right, and you guys are married,
Speaker 1: we are to each other to each other at that yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: I want to break you guys down individually first, and
Speaker 1: then I want to talk about the combo meal. Okay,
Speaker 1: al right, okay, alright, so the first woman break down. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Gary, you're originally from Connecticut, I am, and you
Speaker 1: were an electrician. That was yeah, it was an electrician.
Speaker 1: So I just I assumed I was gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: just take over the family business when I got old enough,
Speaker 1: you know, to to claim a six ft ladder. But
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. So did you know you loved
Speaker 1: writing songs. I didn't know I loved writing songs, but
Speaker 1: I loved the idea of the music business because that
Speaker 1: was just an awesome time. That was like late sixties,
Speaker 1: early seventies. It was just a great time for the
Speaker 1: music business. And I just knew I wanted to do
Speaker 1: something in the music business. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: just you know, run an electrical company in Connecticut. I
Speaker 1: didn't care what it was, but that was, you know,
Speaker 1: that was the door that opened, and I would have
Speaker 1: been happy for any door that opened into that. Didn't
Speaker 1: you do wood Stock? I didn't do it, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about this because Woodstock changed your life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of really really did I know that. I
Speaker 1: know that out of all the people that were there,
Speaker 1: tons of people, you know, say that it changed their
Speaker 1: life in a in a spiritual way, but it really
Speaker 1: was the fork in the road for me. Well, didn't
Speaker 1: you say. I wrote a quote that you said that
Speaker 1: you went to Woodstock and girls were clinging to the
Speaker 1: musicians like dryer sheets. That sounds like something stupid. That's
Speaker 1: what I need, That's the life for me. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I could develop that sort of static claim. You'll take it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Okay. So you're in Connecticut, you go
Speaker 1: to Woodstock, then you have like, okay, we're all over
Speaker 1: the place Woodstock. How old were you and you wanted
Speaker 1: to be the dryer sheets? You wanted the dryer sheets? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did desperately. Then you start deciding to play sport
Speaker 1: and you're getting a serious injury. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: Because because I knew I wasn't gonna work for my dad,
Speaker 1: I wanted my dad to be proud of me. So
Speaker 1: I tried any sport that I was even the least
Speaker 1: bit equipped to do, and there weren't any. So the
Speaker 1: sport that seemed to involve the most aimlessly running around
Speaker 1: in circles seemed to be soccer. So I joined the
Speaker 1: soccer team. Not the way I did it, literally, it
Speaker 1: was just running around in circles, and then periodically you
Speaker 1: bend over and your pant real hard to The coach
Speaker 1: thinks he's really giving it as all. Okay, and until
Speaker 1: and the one time I actually tried to do something
Speaker 1: can instructive for the team, I got my leg broken. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you broke your leg and now you were in
Speaker 1: a full body cat. Yeah, it's like a full body
Speaker 1: because I broke the leg right at the top of
Speaker 1: the knee. So if they didn't immobilize me from the
Speaker 1: hip down, then my leg was going to basically make
Speaker 1: the letter L at the bottom. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really gross. It was so when it broke, the noise
Speaker 1: was so loud that the guys on the team ran
Speaker 1: off the field because they thought the ref had shot
Speaker 1: a gun. Yeah. Everyone everyone makes that face when I'm
Speaker 1: immune to it, but at this point, but but you're
Speaker 1: probably out like a light. Oh. I was not out
Speaker 1: like a light for about six more hours until somebody
Speaker 1: shot me up with light out juice. Were conscious? Oh,
Speaker 1: I was conscious. It actually didn't if I didn't move, Um,
Speaker 1: it actually didn't hurt that bad. So I was laying
Speaker 1: in a gurney at a hospital for like four hours.
Speaker 1: But this isn't big moment in your life, because when
Speaker 1: you're in this full body cast is when you decided
Speaker 1: to really become great a guitar. Yeah. There was, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, it really was. There was there was nothing
Speaker 1: to do. I had two who's come to pretend to
Speaker 1: teach me things and basically it was, you know, listening
Speaker 1: to music and playing you know, my brother's guitar, and uh,
Speaker 1: when we had come home from Woodstock, my buddy and
Speaker 1: I had decided to start a band. And this was
Speaker 1: where I actually got to the point where I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I could do that because I wasn't much
Speaker 1: of a guitar player before then. But by the time
Speaker 1: the cast came off, I was I was good enough
Speaker 1: to start, you know, our first band. How long was
Speaker 1: the cast on? You know, I don't remember, all these
Speaker 1: years later, I feel like it was on for months,
Speaker 1: but it was probably you know what, eight weeks maybe
Speaker 1: something like that. Most of my senior most of the
Speaker 1: beginning of my senior year. So remember back to your
Speaker 1: senior year in high school and think what it would
Speaker 1: have been like to just hear about everything that's going
Speaker 1: on and your home in a really stinky room. Yeah
Speaker 1: kid mean by that, I don't Yeah. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very sad. Okay, But this is crazy because if that
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened, you wouldn't learn guitar. Something I think
Speaker 1: is really interesting. You must be a visualizer and you
Speaker 1: must believe in like magic in the secret because you
Speaker 1: listen to three records over and over again while you
Speaker 1: were like hold up. And the first one was the
Speaker 1: Pure Prairie League album, second one was Carol King's Tapestry,
Speaker 1: and the third one was Abbey Road. Now tell me
Speaker 1: why that's amazing, all three of those albums, because they
Speaker 1: were the three records that I taught myself how to
Speaker 1: play guitar too. And when I grew up and became
Speaker 1: a professional musician, I was the lead singer of Pure
Speaker 1: Prairie League. I toured the world playing with Carol King,
Speaker 1: and I wrote like three albums with Ringoff. So out
Speaker 1: of those three albums, those are the three that that
Speaker 1: ended up being your career being my career in a
Speaker 1: in a in a tiny nutshell, do you think you
Speaker 1: drew it to yourself because you loved it so much?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a big believer in that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, but you know, but they asked
Speaker 1: me some kind of explanation for something that's very odd.
Speaker 1: You know what, I probably what I probably have done.
Speaker 1: I probably blocked out the Sound of Music album that
Speaker 1: I had and the Carpenter's Greatest Hits album that I
Speaker 1: blocked all that out, and I've reduced it down to
Speaker 1: those three because its but but literally, seriously, those were
Speaker 1: the three records that I learned to. When I read that,
Speaker 1: I honestly couldn't believe it because those are no small feats.
Speaker 1: And Vince Gil he was the one who was the
Speaker 1: lead singer Pure Prairie League before you. Yeah, I took
Speaker 1: his place. Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's kind of crazy because
Speaker 1: he and I got inducted into the Songwriter Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame in the same year. And uh, I'll get that
Speaker 1: hold on, um my phone is broken and literally is okay,
Speaker 1: so this is crazy. You're in the Songwriters Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame too, Yeah, I am that's that is that is great.
Speaker 1: Fourteen number ones you write? What else did already? You
Speaker 1: have fourteen number ones? You have? Is it? Thirty two?
Speaker 1: Top forties, twenty four top tens, a lot of songs.
Speaker 1: So Advance got inducted at the same time to the
Speaker 1: Country Music Hall of Fames. Yeah, that was a nice
Speaker 1: coincidence to you know, And and uh, that's something I'm
Speaker 1: really really proud of. I just I didn't think I
Speaker 1: was going to end up being a songwriter, but you know,
Speaker 1: to be acknowledged like that, it's pretty great. So your
Speaker 1: first song the y ever wrote became a hit for
Speaker 1: Juice Newton, Right, Is that how you got to Nashville? Yes,
Speaker 1: I wrote a song in my backyard and I had
Speaker 1: some people in New York that we're helping me, and
Speaker 1: they played it for a guy here in Nashville and
Speaker 1: they recorded it, and I was that's what made me
Speaker 1: stop being an electrician, and I just, you know, I
Speaker 1: I started to make enough money to be a professional songwriter,
Speaker 1: and I would just stay home raising a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: writing songs at night in Connecticut. In Connecticut, you just
Speaker 1: write them and sent them off national nations. I actually
Speaker 1: had like four hits before, you know, just living in
Speaker 1: Connecticut sending them through the mail. Which hits that I had?
Speaker 1: I had The Loves Been That's my job, Conway Twitty,
Speaker 1: I had Burned like a Rocket, Billy Joe Royal, make
Speaker 1: My Life with You, oak Ridge Boys. Those were all
Speaker 1: while I still lived in Connecticut. So you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is easy. Yeah. Yeah. My first song
Speaker 1: was a pop hit. My second song was a number
Speaker 1: one country hit, like the first two songs I've ever recorded,
Speaker 1: And that's when I kind of said, why am I
Speaker 1: being electrician. Who does? Who does? Why doesn't everybody do this?
Speaker 1: Like this is like no brainer? Yeah and so, but
Speaker 1: you just were really good and you didn't maybe realize
Speaker 1: how great you well, but no, and then it stopped
Speaker 1: and it went a couple of years, and then you know,
Speaker 1: and and then you get it and you think you're
Speaker 1: never going to get another song on the radio, and
Speaker 1: then you get another one and you know. It just
Speaker 1: it was a lucky streak that that that threw me
Speaker 1: into it at like a hundred miles an hour, and
Speaker 1: then it calmed down and it became the job that
Speaker 1: it stayed for twenty something years. So how did you
Speaker 1: get to Nashville? You got the four hits? Yeah, in
Speaker 1: Connecticut in a real traditional way. I would come down.
Speaker 1: The people in Nashville that we're listening to my songs
Speaker 1: and cutting them basically said to me, you know, you
Speaker 1: should come down and write with other people. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the weird thing. I wrote all by myself, but
Speaker 1: so those are all by yourself. That's a lot of dope. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was really that was brief either, huh.
Speaker 1: I had a publishing deal with those guys that were helping,
Speaker 1: but especially back in the day you're finally making serious cash.
Speaker 1: That awesome. Yeah. But and and there was you know,
Speaker 1: there seemed to be a lot more radio stations back
Speaker 1: then too. Yeah. So, uh, I started to come down
Speaker 1: like once every couple of months to Nashville, and then
Speaker 1: it was once a month, and then it was two
Speaker 1: weeks out of the month. And that was when I
Speaker 1: finally said, uh, you know, it's it's time to make
Speaker 1: a move. And we initially thought about moving the whole
Speaker 1: family down here, but you know, things were shaky, and
Speaker 1: it ended up where it was the logical place for
Speaker 1: you know, my wife and I too. We ended up
Speaker 1: getting divorced and I moved down here and and she
Speaker 1: stayed up in Connecticut, Okay, and Georgia. You can chime
Speaker 1: in on this. The Nashville songwriter community, it's like unlike
Speaker 1: anything else. There's two rows in Nashville, sixteen and seventeen Street,
Speaker 1: and basically like people go and they write songs and
Speaker 1: it's a job. Yeah, that's a crazy profession. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: nowhere else in the world do they do that. And
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, yeah, maybe all the way back in
Speaker 1: like the real building back in New York when it
Speaker 1: was sort of a songwriting a couple of buildings that
Speaker 1: were songwriting factories, and this is that sort of a
Speaker 1: deal just spread out over a whole bunch of smaller buildings.
Speaker 1: Can you guys believe it's your career and your profession
Speaker 1: to wake up and write saying, Oh my gosh, my
Speaker 1: phone is broken. Okay, my rainger, have this mofy and
Speaker 1: it it doesn't turn off? What's that? It's an extra
Speaker 1: and it doesn't it charges your phone? But mine's broken,
Speaker 1: So now my phone never turns on silent? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's terrible. Um what were you saying? Music? Can you believe?
Speaker 1: Can you believe our career? But the weird thing is
Speaker 1: is how easy it was for you to male songs
Speaker 1: back and forth. When I was ten years old, We can't.
Speaker 1: My dad brought me my little sister to Nashville. You
Speaker 1: wrote your first song it to Wait Wait have it.
Speaker 1: It's called what did you call it? This Girl's Dinner Home.
Speaker 1: I didn't work because I thought it was the cutest
Speaker 1: thing ever. You wrote a song called There's a Rainbow
Speaker 1: and Everybody's Heart. Yes, Sorgia, are you pure believe that
Speaker 1: there's a rain own Everyone's heart. You wrote that at
Speaker 1: ten years old because I didn't know any better. Now
Speaker 1: you've seen the rain clouds. Yeah, and when we came
Speaker 1: here when I was ten years old, all the buildings,
Speaker 1: all the publishing houses work. They were houses like cute
Speaker 1: little two story houses or one story um cottages, and
Speaker 1: I felt like you could just stalk on the door
Speaker 1: and they let you in. I like, what a cool place.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you have to think it's that easy to
Speaker 1: get your first step, you know, to take your first step,
Speaker 1: and then you find out it's almost impossible. But at
Speaker 1: least you take that step and you knock got that door,
Speaker 1: and then you start finding there. It's not so easy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, a little by a little, you get there.
Speaker 1: If you're if it's meant to be like that in Georgia,
Speaker 1: we gotta come back to you. But you also moved
Speaker 1: to New York and l A to do acting and music.
Speaker 1: I gotta hear story. Okay, we're gonna wrap up, Gary,
Speaker 1: not yet, but so tell me what it was like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a very long legacy. I
Speaker 1: want to throw out some of your number one I
Speaker 1: don't know what these were all the chart, but you
Speaker 1: had try to think about Elvis for Patty loveless, can't
Speaker 1: be really and to McGraw to be loved by you?
Speaker 1: Why Nona too busy being in love? Doug Stone, That's
Speaker 1: my job, Conway Twitter watch Me, Lorie Morgan, Love Lorie
Speaker 1: Morgan in a week or two, Diamond Reo love It.
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorites. What mattered most h
Speaker 1: Herndon on the side of Angels, Nothing about Love makes sense,
Speaker 1: Lean Rhymes, Nobody Wants to Be Lonely, Christina Aguilera, Ricky Martin.
Speaker 1: These are just a smidgeon of some of the songs. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what was the biggest song you had? You know what
Speaker 1: biggest is a you know? You can? You can? You know?
Speaker 1: I Suddenly lost? It depends on what you mean by
Speaker 1: the biggest. The most successful was probably the very first
Speaker 1: one because it was a pop bit, so that made
Speaker 1: a lot a little bit hard on me. Right, let's
Speaker 1: be a little bit hard on me. The most impactful
Speaker 1: song I ever had was probably the Conway Twittery song
Speaker 1: that I wrote about my dad passing away, because they
Speaker 1: still played that every Father's Day and I still get
Speaker 1: tons of, you know, letters and emails from people that
Speaker 1: hear it around Father's Day and it moves them. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, as far as the most successful country song,
Speaker 1: it was probably what madd and most at ty Herndon's
Speaker 1: because people still people, people teach that song in writer
Speaker 1: classes like up at Berkeley, in places like that. You know, so, Um,
Speaker 1: you know there's different criteria for what makes it biggest,
Speaker 1: But you know, I've had more than my share of
Speaker 1: ones that that were pivotal. How do you guys write? What?
Speaker 1: How do you write a song? Do you write what
Speaker 1: coming to you? Do you try to fit a formula?
Speaker 1: Do you try to write for someone in particular? What
Speaker 1: has been your most successful songs? Where have they come from?
Speaker 1: It's a really good question. Um, don't suck up to her.
Speaker 1: It's just a question. I like. I like to read,
Speaker 1: and I pull words out of books that strike me
Speaker 1: as interesting, the way words get put together. Um, I
Speaker 1: I think you like to do this to You like
Speaker 1: to start with the title A lot of times for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was that whole analogy about Michelangelo and David.
Speaker 1: The statue. He didn't carve David. He chipped away at
Speaker 1: the stone and there he was. I feel like a
Speaker 1: good song idea for me, If I can see it
Speaker 1: formed before it's written, that's what I want to attack. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you have like the idea of how it could look,
Speaker 1: and then I started attacking it. If I can't see it,
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to You need to vision it.
Speaker 1: I do because that kind of that unfolds, the structure
Speaker 1: of it kind of unfold. And sometimes I mean, I
Speaker 1: also love jamming on music and having the music tell
Speaker 1: me what the lyrics should say. So I like to
Speaker 1: work backwards that way too. How do you do it?
Speaker 1: I remember when I first came to town, uh, talking
Speaker 1: to the great Harlan Howard, the great songwriting country songwriters,
Speaker 1: And you know, his philosophy was, if you don't have
Speaker 1: that great idea it, then don't even bother sitting down,
Speaker 1: Go have lunch, go have a drink. But you need
Speaker 1: to have that great idea where somebody sits down and goes,
Speaker 1: I want to write a song about boom, and you
Speaker 1: can express it in like one sentence to say this
Speaker 1: is what I want to write about. He says. Those
Speaker 1: are the songs that not only means something, but they're
Speaker 1: the easiest to write because you have a definitive point
Speaker 1: of view, and you have a story that you're going
Speaker 1: to tell if you just are writing of you know,
Speaker 1: general I Love you song or a general this or
Speaker 1: that said it's really really hard, and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: and he'll spend the first half hour of the day
Speaker 1: kicking around the ideas and if and if he didn't
Speaker 1: hear the idea, okay, was off to lunch, off to lunch.
Speaker 1: So can you go into a room with no idea
Speaker 1: but kick around ideas and one hum? Sure? Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I like to throw out My favorite part of a
Speaker 1: writing day is throwing out ideas and seeing what resonates
Speaker 1: with me and the co writer. If nothing is resonating,
Speaker 1: then I like to just talk about stuff and just
Speaker 1: see if something just happens. Especially if you're writing with
Speaker 1: an artist, you want to write a song that relates
Speaker 1: to whatever they're going through in their life because you
Speaker 1: want them to want to sing yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: and it's cathartic and they want to get something out
Speaker 1: in a song. Sometimes they don't know how to do it,
Speaker 1: but you might hear something they saying that that's the title,
Speaker 1: that's the idea. Yeah, yeah, so that's really good. But
Speaker 1: when you're writing with another writer, you just kick around
Speaker 1: ideas and sometimes it's just word playing. A lot of
Speaker 1: times it's the same thing you're talking and then suddenly
Speaker 1: you're saying, you know, somebody says something and you go it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would make a song. That's a title right there
Speaker 1: when you you said this once a bit about when
Speaker 1: you pitch movie ideas. Not you personally, but if if
Speaker 1: a screenwriter is going to pitch to a producer, they
Speaker 1: have to say in one line what this movie is about.
Speaker 1: And if you can't say that about your song, then
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to know what the song is it.
Speaker 1: It would be nice if you can bring it down
Speaker 1: to one big idea and it looks like this, and
Speaker 1: then you can write it. We were writing with somebody
Speaker 1: the other day and the song didn't really it was
Speaker 1: sort of about a lot of things, and it was
Speaker 1: really hard to finish because we didn't have any real
Speaker 1: clear target we were raining for. You know, so when
Speaker 1: a lot of when a lot of lines will get
Speaker 1: you where you want to go, that's a lot harder
Speaker 1: than than finding the one great one that gets you there. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting synopsis. Okay, so tell me how you
Speaker 1: actually met your hair. He's a dog, not a man.
Speaker 1: I wonder what was the only man in Georgia's hair?
Speaker 1: And the truth comes out? So how did you link
Speaker 1: up with Carole King and Ringo Star? How did that happen?
Speaker 1: I know you visualize it because you listen to their
Speaker 1: albums all the time, But how did it actually happen?
Speaker 1: You know, when when when you get on a streak
Speaker 1: the way I did Stare in the nineties, it was
Speaker 1: crazy and on the other the other yeah, literally, I
Speaker 1: mean it was like you, I write a song on Monday,
Speaker 1: and I turned it in at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and by Wednesday they would tell me that somebody was
Speaker 1: cutting it. And by Friday they would say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the next single. And it was. That's how
Speaker 1: fast it seemed like Nashville worked back. Did you just
Speaker 1: get used to this? You know kind of? You know
Speaker 1: kind of? I mean, I I like to think because
Speaker 1: if this all happened to me later, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wasn't in my twenties. I was in my thirties and forties,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't delusional. I mean, there was a part
Speaker 1: of me that I knew that it wasn't going to
Speaker 1: always go like that, but there was, you know, the
Speaker 1: other part of me that I was saying, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be nice if it did? But the point is when
Speaker 1: you have that kind of a streak, you get tons
Speaker 1: of opportunities. Everybody wants you to go somewhere and right
Speaker 1: with these people, right with these people. So you know,
Speaker 1: in in one case, um, really, I got to go
Speaker 1: to a writing retreat a bunch of years in a
Speaker 1: row in the middle of France at this castle and
Speaker 1: they still have they still have it every year. It
Speaker 1: was owned by Miles Copeland, who managed the police. Um
Speaker 1: and you know, we go over there and there was
Speaker 1: everybody from you know, famous you know, Ted Nugent, Carrol King,
Speaker 1: Share bon Jovi, all the way to down to young writers.
Speaker 1: There were sort of three levels young writers, big stars
Speaker 1: and workman professional writers like us and Georgia went to
Speaker 1: that castle. I went to that castle. And when I
Speaker 1: went to that castle was when I met Carol, and
Speaker 1: a couple of years after we met, she put a
Speaker 1: tour together and called me up and asked me to
Speaker 1: do it with her and you and thing guitar bass
Speaker 1: and saying okay, because you play a lot of instruments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I play. I play a lot of instruments, okay, and
Speaker 1: a few instruments quite well. But also I met another
Speaker 1: guy there who turned out to be writing with Ringo,
Speaker 1: and so I got involved in that and the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I met so many people that opened huge
Speaker 1: opportunities for me to to get to play with some
Speaker 1: amazing people. You know you too, that's the castle. I mean,
Speaker 1: the castle was great, but I made a couple of friends.
Speaker 1: I think I was more of a loner. I didn't
Speaker 1: have that same You're a very outgoing guy, so you
Speaker 1: made a lot of friends. I was kind of to
Speaker 1: myself and a little shy or so I didn't The
Speaker 1: castle was a great experience, but it didn't lead me
Speaker 1: to Ringo, right. But I met some great people that
Speaker 1: my Sharp who I still love and work with. She's wonderful,
Speaker 1: Kevin Savagar, those are the two I keep in touch with.
Speaker 1: But it depends on who was there with you. I
Speaker 1: wasn't there when Gary was there. I went years after
Speaker 1: Gary had done. At the time, they both just went
Speaker 1: to the Castle separate. That was in the late nine
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were not And it's kind of scandal
Speaker 1: us going to the castle. It's a sexualism? Is it?
Speaker 1: Storming the moat interview? Storming? Okay, we got the title
Speaker 1: we needed. Now we can do that. We can hurt
Speaker 1: it proud. Okay. So you met Carol and Ringo from
Speaker 1: them and what did you do with Ringle? You wrote
Speaker 1: with him? You were on his albums first. They just
Speaker 1: were putting a band together to promote a new album.
Speaker 1: So they asked me to be in that band. So
Speaker 1: you were in the band band with one of the
Speaker 1: Beatles was already dying. Yeah, kind of a huge deal.
Speaker 1: You were in a band with one of the Beatles.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while he would do, you know,
Speaker 1: a drum thing that sounded just like the Beatles, And
Speaker 1: you know, later he told me, he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I know I'm doing that because I like to see
Speaker 1: all your head spin around, you know. So he great guy.
Speaker 1: And then from that we, uh we started writing together
Speaker 1: and you know, I'd go over to England to his
Speaker 1: place and we would Right, you go to his house
Speaker 1: like four records. You go in his house? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: in his house. Did you sleep in his bed like
Speaker 1: his guest bed? Uh? Yeah, he's a big spooner. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: delicate handsome. Were you trying to be cool or were you?
Speaker 1: Were you able to be cool? I didn't, you know what,
Speaker 1: I just reaked cool? But like in your mind, are
Speaker 1: you freaking out there? Like I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could actually be cool in this situation and perform like
Speaker 1: you have to write, well it is. You know, this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff happens to us a lot. Is we
Speaker 1: get put into situations where we're working with people that
Speaker 1: we adore and that's killing us. And you can't act
Speaker 1: like it is. You gotta act real now, you know.
Speaker 1: You gotta walk in and just how you're doing, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, come on, shut up. We gotta gotta go
Speaker 1: to work. And inside you just dying and go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just tell the Beatles to shut up.
Speaker 1: You know, remember when you first met Ringo and you
Speaker 1: were in a rehearsal and you called him ring Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're on stage and I and we just started
Speaker 1: and like, you know, a few minutes into rehearsal, the
Speaker 1: musical director said to me, what are you? What are
Speaker 1: you singing? When you get to the bridge and I'm
Speaker 1: standing right next to Ringo, and I go well, I'm
Speaker 1: in the in the chorus, I'm singing this part. But
Speaker 1: then when the bridge comes, I'm doubling ring and it
Speaker 1: gets real quiet, and the ring walks up to Ringo
Speaker 1: walks up. The microphone goes, He's known me thirty minutes
Speaker 1: and suddenly I'm ring. I just thought I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: handed a ticket and they're gonna say go home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Betty fell in love with you, and now you're
Speaker 1: a big spoon They were big spooners. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: obviously we're this is synopsis. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I covered everything I want to what has been Oh,
Speaker 1: you were also Songwriter of the Year by Aska Billboard
Speaker 1: Nashville Songwriters Association. Like we said, you're inducted in Country
Speaker 1: Music Hall of Fame. How many people are in that?
Speaker 1: That's not even a lot of people. That's serious company
Speaker 1: being Yeah, I don't know, that'd be a really good question.
Speaker 1: But that's like Vince gils and that. Who else isn't
Speaker 1: that that? You know? I mean, you know, Land, Harlan Howard,
Speaker 1: all the all the you know, Stephen Foster, you know,
Speaker 1: all the way back to uh, you know to Yeah,
Speaker 1: just who inducted you? Don't celebrities like get invite you
Speaker 1: in or somewhat important. It used to be where you
Speaker 1: had to be inducted by someone that was in the
Speaker 1: Hall of fame. So I was inducted by a hall
Speaker 1: of fame. Remember do you know their name? Where are
Speaker 1: who inducted you? Why is it? I can't? Is it? Whyland?
Speaker 1: Did he get d inducted me? Okay? That's amazing? It
Speaker 1: was amazing. So out of all of your colorful career,
Speaker 1: do you have a highlight. We're gonna get to Blue
Speaker 1: Sky Writers, which is y'all's banning in right now. What
Speaker 1: We just finished doing something that was an incredible highlight,
Speaker 1: and that was working with the Naturville Ballet and they choreographed, uh,
Speaker 1: they had three writers, Georgia, Victoria Banks and T J. J.
Speaker 1: T Harding, t J. T J. Hooker, J. D. Harding
Speaker 1: and they choreographed their songs and it was just and
Speaker 1: it was three of Georgia songs and I was just
Speaker 1: a guitar player, but it was like such a highlight.
Speaker 1: It was this amazing you know, tell them so tell
Speaker 1: me because I would like to move on to you.
Speaker 1: This is Georgia Middleman and nothing Well, that's the word.
Speaker 1: Thing is that the opportunities are just when they when
Speaker 1: people combine different art forms. And this was they called
Speaker 1: me and said, the Nashville Ballet wants to choreograph to
Speaker 1: some of your songs. And the Blue Yes, they find
Speaker 1: it because the Bluebird Cafe. It was an alliance between
Speaker 1: the Bluebird doing a collaboration at the Ballet, and they
Speaker 1: went through different songs and a bunch of different writers
Speaker 1: at the Bluebird and the Ballet felt they picked the
Speaker 1: songs and picked the writers based on what they felt
Speaker 1: the dancers could do what they pick. They picked a
Speaker 1: song called I'm in which I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about that a huge song for he Urban and
Speaker 1: also the Kindley's cut that yeah they did twin did Yes?
Speaker 1: I remember that? Remember that cut? Yes you weren't they
Speaker 1: on the beach and like the water? I just remember
Speaker 1: the Kidley. That's a different song. I think that we're
Speaker 1: in a bar or in a dark place. So how
Speaker 1: did that song change your life? It changed in every
Speaker 1: way possible because, um, I've been struggling my whole life
Speaker 1: as a singer songwriter, trying to make enough money just
Speaker 1: to pay the rent and pay bills. And that song
Speaker 1: when it came out on the radio, and and it
Speaker 1: was a big song for me and I I guess
Speaker 1: I could just kind of relax for a minute, not
Speaker 1: for long, never for long, never for long. But what
Speaker 1: it did was it gave me the ability to do
Speaker 1: things that I couldn't do before, like join this band
Speaker 1: with Gary Blue sky Riders because like say no occasionally, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, that's the thing. Kenny Loggins also in that band, definitely,
Speaker 1: And I don't know it just I was able to
Speaker 1: say yes to certain things that would take time where
Speaker 1: you're not getting paid for anything for a while and
Speaker 1: you're building it because it's a labor of love, and
Speaker 1: that lets you build really cool things that you just
Speaker 1: didn't have the time or money to do before. So
Speaker 1: that was really it changed my life in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. Because you were a Texas girl and then
Speaker 1: you go to New York to be an actress. Well,
Speaker 1: I went to New York. I was an actress in
Speaker 1: high school. My dog Bucky wants to be on the interview, um,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was an acting major in college and
Speaker 1: I went to New York University. But it was all
Speaker 1: because I was a chicken can I say a bad word.
Speaker 1: I was a chicken ship when it came to studying
Speaker 1: music because I'm not good at math, and when I
Speaker 1: took music theory, I really wanted to be a singer songwriter.
Speaker 1: But when I took music theory classes, I just I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I just don't have to, I guess,
Speaker 1: not exactly exactly. So that's why I focused on acting
Speaker 1: for a while. But once I was in acting, I
Speaker 1: suddenly understood performance better as a singer, and it really
Speaker 1: helped me on stage. And I knew I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a singer songwriter, but the acting tools really helped me.
Speaker 1: It was really helpful, it really was. And as a
Speaker 1: songwriter you have three minutes to say your point and
Speaker 1: have everything support that one title. As an actor, you
Speaker 1: have a scene in the whole. The way we studied
Speaker 1: it was what is your objective? What are you trying
Speaker 1: to accomplish? And do it and anything else is frivolous,
Speaker 1: just like songwriting, So it's really about focusing on something
Speaker 1: and driving that point home. And that's I used those
Speaker 1: skills as a songwriter, So that was not in training,
Speaker 1: not in vain. But then you got to l a
Speaker 1: though to really like take this home though, like you
Speaker 1: want to like deal. I wanted to do a deal
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get anywhere. Were you trying to get
Speaker 1: a record deal? Were you trying to get an act helping?
Speaker 1: I didn't even try act. LA were done with acting
Speaker 1: when I tried a little bit for the acting and
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. I couldn't break in. And
Speaker 1: I my love was music, so I thought, that's that's
Speaker 1: good that I couldn't break into that, so let me.
Speaker 1: I visited Nashville as a friend of mine from high
Speaker 1: school lived here, and I couldn't believe when I go
Speaker 1: to writer's Nights and see these people just like me
Speaker 1: playing their new songs, and I'm like, it was just
Speaker 1: like home, and I knew I had to move here.
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, sometimes it's good not to know
Speaker 1: how hard things are. You'll never try it. So you
Speaker 1: got lucky right away. No, it was very hard. No,
Speaker 1: it was very hard, but it seemed like there was
Speaker 1: a community here, and there was you meet really cool
Speaker 1: people who are struggling just like you are, and struggled
Speaker 1: together exactly and your friends. You know, it's like you
Speaker 1: start doing well and I want to bring so and
Speaker 1: so with me because they wrote that song and that
Speaker 1: person liked. You gotta meet and so it's it's exactly,
Speaker 1: it's bringing coming up with your friends. And when I
Speaker 1: got here, I thought, well, I gotta write with those
Speaker 1: big I gotta write with Gary Burr. He was like
Speaker 1: King and Nashville. When I moved to me, you really
Speaker 1: thought that, and not how do I get to him?
Speaker 1: And then there was no way because you now he's
Speaker 1: in my hair. You'd have to see the beginning of
Speaker 1: the inDuna. But no. But it's like and then I
Speaker 1: found out it's not about writing with people, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's good to write with people better than you said
Speaker 1: that you grow and get better, But it's about finding
Speaker 1: people where you are that you can't getting good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like we're doing it together. These are the people
Speaker 1: we have access to, our buddies who are really good,
Speaker 1: like you know, what we're doing and coming up and
Speaker 1: then suddenly you're on the same playing field as these
Speaker 1: people you really and admire. Like college like grades, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a campus, like you're a
Speaker 1: freshman class. You really have to kind of like stick
Speaker 1: with your class at the beginning and when you turn
Speaker 1: and you learn and you you know, you just study
Speaker 1: from the people ahead of you, and and you just
Speaker 1: trust that your turnal cop that's right. So you just
Speaker 1: have to trust that you will get you. Did you
Speaker 1: ever want to leave? Did your always really not gonna work?
Speaker 1: Actually this morning I stopped there at the door. She
Speaker 1: had really I think you should stay? You would leave
Speaker 1: all this and Bucky and never. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: this town breaks your heart. You know. It's like you
Speaker 1: you make head when you're like, oh my god, and
Speaker 1: then it does something. You're like, oh, nope, back to
Speaker 1: square one. And then you're like no, because something else happens.
Speaker 1: And then something wonderful happens. And like your songs at
Speaker 1: the Symphony, Yes, I couldn't have seen that happen in
Speaker 1: Nashville Ballet. It was amazing. And that's the thing about life.
Speaker 1: You just don't know. You kind of follow your muse,
Speaker 1: You follow what feels right, and you know, and even
Speaker 1: if you can't see it, you have a gut instinct.
Speaker 1: So I want to quit all the time, but I
Speaker 1: never do because I know something's gonna happens. Leap of
Speaker 1: faith right there, it is, it is I don't know
Speaker 1: what that, but it has to do with with you
Speaker 1: don't ever think that there's a plan B. As long
Speaker 1: as you have a plan B. The first sign that
Speaker 1: isn't that something's not working out. It's a huge sign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have a plan B, and it's this or nothing.
Speaker 1: When it looks like things are going to work out,
Speaker 1: you just kind of tell yourself, well, it's not like
Speaker 1: it can't work. It has to work out. It has
Speaker 1: to work out because I don't have any alternative, so
Speaker 1: I guess this must just be a little glitch. And
Speaker 1: there's also the letting go part because for me, when
Speaker 1: things get so stressful, I go, that's it, screw it.
Speaker 1: And then when I let go, that's when the next
Speaker 1: thing happens. So I don't know what that is. How
Speaker 1: do you the next thing is usually your suitcase at now?
Speaker 1: How do you let go? How do you let go?
Speaker 1: Because I have to remember it's about my life, not
Speaker 1: about what is expected of me or what other people.
Speaker 1: It's like people define their success by how much money
Speaker 1: can I make? How famous can I get? When I
Speaker 1: lose sight of that stuff, like when I start getting
Speaker 1: sucked into that kind of world, I forget about me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I forget about what feels right here. And that's
Speaker 1: how I let go as I go. You know what,
Speaker 1: if nothing else in this music business happens for me,
Speaker 1: I still know how to write a song. I still
Speaker 1: can sing a song, and I can pick up that
Speaker 1: guitar and I get back to that. And when I
Speaker 1: get back to that, I love it. Then I remember
Speaker 1: what's important, and then other things happen. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: I mean, look at you. I mean things just happen
Speaker 1: when you're finally like walking in I guess faith of
Speaker 1: some sort that you're just supposed to do this, Like
Speaker 1: you're saying you don't have to just not have fear
Speaker 1: exactly who you like, You're just walking taking steps to
Speaker 1: your kind. This is like a black wall that you're
Speaker 1: walking into and you pray that the sun kind of
Speaker 1: just have to trust your talent, trust yourself. The way
Speaker 1: I always feel is you know how you say, you
Speaker 1: constantly get knocked back to square one, and I just
Speaker 1: keep reminding myself that our square one, it's like, it's
Speaker 1: this place to be, It's what a cool square one
Speaker 1: to be in the music business, and you feel, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take this. I never thought i'd get to square
Speaker 1: one knocking me back. That ain't And it's never back
Speaker 1: to the square one. You're twenty years ago. It's a
Speaker 1: new square one. So it feels like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: start all of it. But it's never that cause but
Speaker 1: you forget that you're not because you're not a freshman anymore,
Speaker 1: and you have so much success under your belt, huge
Speaker 1: amount of success. It's like frightening. It's like you can't
Speaker 1: even count. Oh my god, you know, like to hit
Speaker 1: leather chair, it's actually gold with leather covering. Namee yours
Speaker 1: is how successful you are. Naming your top ten biggest
Speaker 1: hits right now? You can't. I couldn't. I couldn't name.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I don't know any like figures
Speaker 1: and numbers and things like that, other than the fact
Speaker 1: that when I go to the A T. M. And
Speaker 1: I need sixty bucks, it will give me sixty bucks up.
Speaker 1: That makes me a happy man. I was driving in
Speaker 1: the car listening to M Prime country satellite radio Serious
Speaker 1: and this song came on and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I never it was such a great, great song. I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard it was an old hit but I didn't
Speaker 1: know it. And I pulled over and I went, just
Speaker 1: the way it was constructed, I went, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know who wrote that, and I want to write with
Speaker 1: that writer. I want to how do I find that?
Speaker 1: It was just so inspiring to me. I pulled my
Speaker 1: car over Wikipedia the song and it was written by
Speaker 1: Gary Berr and I went, yeah, and that's how many
Speaker 1: hits he's has. I didn't know half of what he's done.
Speaker 1: And I was like, right with him, I sleep with
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, yeah, I did you really? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that's like some serious co writing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. So, Georgia, tell me the most important songs
Speaker 1: that you have written. Obviously I'm in huge and Keith
Speaker 1: Urban is so gracious and sweet and sexy, very sexy.
Speaker 1: I mean he is, you know he is. Gary, Come on,
Speaker 1: say he doesn't do it for me? Really? Who does
Speaker 1: it for you? Ringo? Gosh um wow um. Different songs.
Speaker 1: I have a song called Table thirty two that I
Speaker 1: wrote that I was a waitress here in town at
Speaker 1: the Green Hills Girl, and it was a true story
Speaker 1: that happened, and I wrote it into a song and
Speaker 1: that what I like about that song is it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of brew all, but it's true. What's it about?
Speaker 1: It's about It's about this couple that sit down. I'm
Speaker 1: the waitress, singing the song and this, and I'm tired,
Speaker 1: and it's been a dove. I worked a double shift
Speaker 1: and this couple comes in and he's a lot older
Speaker 1: than her. She's like in her twenties, seas and his fifties.
Speaker 1: And they sit down right when we're about to close
Speaker 1: the restaurant. I'm like, no, I was just about to
Speaker 1: get off work. And they sit down and they're laughing,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm being very judgmental because I wanted
Speaker 1: to go home and they're laughing and having in their
Speaker 1: ordering wine and and you know, I was anyway, I said,
Speaker 1: having a rendezvous? Are we? This is interesting? And I
Speaker 1: was trying to be buddies with them, their waitress and
Speaker 1: I find out she says, a rendezvous. No, this is
Speaker 1: my father and we just met at this table to cry.
Speaker 1: It was my table and they could have set them
Speaker 1: at any table. And I was so annoyed that night,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and that turned everything around. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that like gave me full body children. And that's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs because it's people love that song.
Speaker 1: It's never been recorded, I don't. It has for a
Speaker 1: few independent artists, and I said it. I mean when
Speaker 1: she starts that song, when she plays out people and
Speaker 1: they don't know. They just think with a younger woman
Speaker 1: and having a date, and the whole song is written
Speaker 1: to paint the picture of something fish, something funny's going
Speaker 1: on here because he's wearing a wedding ring and she is,
Speaker 1: and so the whole song talks about it looks like
Speaker 1: an affair and they're just laughing and he's so much
Speaker 1: older and this white is just like jeez, guys, go
Speaker 1: get a room. And then she finds out she was
Speaker 1: completely wrong, and it's like, what a true story? So
Speaker 1: I don't know. But the point is it's the South.
Speaker 1: They were still sleeping the stop it. She was adopted, right,
Speaker 1: So I was okay. Yeah. It actually brings me to
Speaker 1: another question. Do you guys feel like authentic stories and
Speaker 1: authentic songs are the best ones that you have authenticity
Speaker 1: that that was lucky because it was true and that happened.
Speaker 1: That happened. But a lot of times somebody can if
Speaker 1: it's a if a piece of that story was true.
Speaker 1: It's our job to make it the most interesting story
Speaker 1: may be, so as long as some part of it
Speaker 1: is so Hardyeah, I think that's important. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think about the Nashville system, which is like basically, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's write a pop hit country song and let's try
Speaker 1: to get it cut on Carrie and Wood. And I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. You know, when when
Speaker 1: McCartney and Lennon used to sit down, they used to
Speaker 1: sit down and go, let's write a pool. What is
Speaker 1: that pool? I'd like to buy a pool. Let's just
Speaker 1: write a great hit song so that I can buy
Speaker 1: a pool. And there's nothing wrong with that. People at
Speaker 1: the Borrow building that I want let's write a song
Speaker 1: that the sharels are going to do because I have
Speaker 1: a baby on the way and we need some money.
Speaker 1: But also when did it have to be more than that? Also?
Speaker 1: I need your candy? You know. I love a great
Speaker 1: story or a great song or great melody, but sometimes
Speaker 1: I need to not think. And when I'm listening to
Speaker 1: the radio and I just hear some catchy song, it's
Speaker 1: not good. It feels great. So there's different jobs for
Speaker 1: every So I think and the that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Different jobs for every song. Yeah, and the and the
Speaker 1: little light up tempo radio songs. There's some of the
Speaker 1: hardest things to write. Easy to write a great, memorable
Speaker 1: two and a half minute up tempo song walking on
Speaker 1: Sunshine that you try writing that song, that's hard and
Speaker 1: it's love that is that's always more lightning in a
Speaker 1: bottle than craft. A great writer can always sit down
Speaker 1: and write a five minute lots of verses taking somebody
Speaker 1: from Kansas to Ottawa and all their adventures along the way.
Speaker 1: But somebody that's going to capture a love me do
Speaker 1: in two and a half minutes, that's lightning that hit them.
Speaker 1: And that's rare because there are so many like ditties.
Speaker 1: To have one that stands out like that is really
Speaker 1: hard written. Your everybody thinks they can write a two
Speaker 1: and a half minute radio song, but yeah, but only
Speaker 1: we can't. Did you all have stop trying? Thinking like
Speaker 1: the course of your songs have been all styles, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of Nashville. When they put you with
Speaker 1: different artists you learned to I mean, I grew up
Speaker 1: on country music, pop music, um, Broadway music, like all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. That's that makes you well rounded in
Speaker 1: terms of your musical world. And so when you write
Speaker 1: with different people, you start finding this is a real
Speaker 1: R and B kind of act. They love this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You can pull it out of your arsenal
Speaker 1: as a writer when you can adapt to different and
Speaker 1: it makes for interesting songs. Even in the country music genre,
Speaker 1: you have R and B flavored stuff, rock stuff, pot stuff.
Speaker 1: That's cool to me. Yeah, if we had to just
Speaker 1: keep writing the same thing every day, more awful. But
Speaker 1: you know you can go when you can write, you know,
Speaker 1: all different styles. It's it's that's that's what makes it fun. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you guys both have amazing voices. Not only your
Speaker 1: incredible songwriters and musicians, you'll also have amazing voices. Did
Speaker 1: you guys ever think your big break and career would
Speaker 1: come as a married team, like after you guys, because
Speaker 1: you had a record deal, right record? Yeah, So, like,
Speaker 1: did you guys think that y'all would have a record
Speaker 1: deal with not record? I don't know what you guys
Speaker 1: have with Kenny login Kenny Loggins. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: like just a surprise. Yeah, how did that happen? How
Speaker 1: did the Kenny Loggins band happen with the three. It's
Speaker 1: called Blue Sky Writers because that's another like what and
Speaker 1: we have our own record label. We're doing it as
Speaker 1: an Indian band. But but it does have to do.
Speaker 1: He came to town to write with people, and writing
Speaker 1: with somebody doesn't necessarily mean that you're writing with somebody
Speaker 1: that can sing as well. And he wrote with a
Speaker 1: whole lot of people in town. But when he and
Speaker 1: I wrote together, every time we hit the chorus, we'd
Speaker 1: be singing together and he'd going, it's like the Everly Brothers.
Speaker 1: And it was a real treat because he was writing
Speaker 1: with other people that weren't singers equal to their writing.
Speaker 1: And and then he hit us, and then he hit Georgia,
Speaker 1: and he suddenly realized that that it was more than
Speaker 1: just the writing. And then boom, it was two parts,
Speaker 1: three parts, and uh, that's when he said, that's when
Speaker 1: he called me. Yeah, it starts with the writing. But
Speaker 1: he was so pleasantly surprised that we all sounded so
Speaker 1: great singing together that that's what really worked for us
Speaker 1: is the fact that before we were writers, we were
Speaker 1: lead singers of bands and and harmony singers and bands
Speaker 1: and we've made our living sometimes singing harmonies on other
Speaker 1: people's albums. I still here on the radio go oh,
Speaker 1: that's me singing all the all the backgrounds on that song.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we were singers, harmony singers, when
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, we could do this one little package,
Speaker 1: and he called me up and said, I know this
Speaker 1: sounds silly, but let's make a record. And when that happened,
Speaker 1: who is this? That's what I said. Who wouldn't do?
Speaker 1: Who would make a band with the Gambler? And what's
Speaker 1: exactly and what's cool about is Kenny took the initiative
Speaker 1: to do it. I've written with people and when you
Speaker 1: hear their voices and you're singing along as you're trying
Speaker 1: to learn, you're trying to figure out what the parts
Speaker 1: could be once the song is done and record how
Speaker 1: it's going to be recorded, and you hear these amazing voices.
Speaker 1: But nobody's pursuing a singing career. They're just writing songs
Speaker 1: for other people. For Kenny to go, hey, let's take
Speaker 1: this to the next level was really cool because I
Speaker 1: certainly didn't expect that. I was happy to just write
Speaker 1: with you guys, but because we all sounded so good together.
Speaker 1: Suddenly somebody had the idea, Kenny did, let's let's record
Speaker 1: and see what made a whole album and it's called
Speaker 1: Finally Home, the second album to finished. Why not that
Speaker 1: we just finished? And why is it called why not?
Speaker 1: It's one of the songs on there. It's just a
Speaker 1: good optimistic you know what. We kind of well, people
Speaker 1: are like, why would you make a second record? Why
Speaker 1: would you do that? Why not? Why would you? Good?
Speaker 1: Feels right? We like the works that we keep doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, Kenny was at a point where he was
Speaker 1: in town writing for the next record, but it was
Speaker 1: another and this is a kind of quoting him, so
Speaker 1: he would he would agree with this, it's another Kenny record.
Speaker 1: And he didn't know if he had anything to say
Speaker 1: for another yet another Kenny. He's had a lot of albums.
Speaker 1: And that's when he kind of said, you know, if
Speaker 1: not that, what else? Well that you know that thing
Speaker 1: with Gary and Georgia that excited me. Maybe that's the
Speaker 1: way that I could get my artistic ya yas out
Speaker 1: without having that weight on my shoulders of now, what
Speaker 1: are you going to say? Okay, So that's what he did.
Speaker 1: We helped him say two thirds of what he wanted
Speaker 1: to say. So he was vols and she's the articles.
Speaker 1: So maybe he wasn't like bored of himself because he's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shut up, the articles. Yeah are articles and very good.
Speaker 1: So that's so it was kind of like he was
Speaker 1: needing a little Joe than his creativity. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: kind of get stagnant maybe with yourself after a while. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's the fun thing of collaborating is you can
Speaker 1: find people. You you go through different people and you go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was electric with that person. Electric
Speaker 1: why not do it again? Electricity is the goal in
Speaker 1: this town. You're always having that excitement in that spark.
Speaker 1: But there's so many people, so many things to do,
Speaker 1: so many I mean, I've written great songs with people
Speaker 1: and had the best time, and it's a year before
Speaker 1: I ever get back around to them because we're also
Speaker 1: busy doing things. And to have that, to have him
Speaker 1: on the phone, you know, saying no, come on, let's
Speaker 1: really do this. You know, it's the first it's like oh, yeah, yeah, great, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. It's not ever gonna happen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then boom, he was really followed through, and he followed
Speaker 1: through Keith what's his name? On No Mick Jagger and
Speaker 1: Keith Richards. They were interviewing Keith Richards on some TV
Speaker 1: show and they said, tell me about your collaboration with Mick,
Speaker 1: and he said, my job, I can't speak British. My
Speaker 1: job is to turn Mac on, Like I do things
Speaker 1: that make him go, oh, let's try this. And I
Speaker 1: think that's my jeb two. When I enter a collaboration
Speaker 1: of any kind, my job is to bring something fun
Speaker 1: and cool. You walk in, girl and everyone's turned on. Fine,
Speaker 1: you already got it going for yourself. I mean you're
Speaker 1: starting off on the right, but so musically turn on.
Speaker 1: It's what you're talking about, exact musically for the most part.
Speaker 1: If the other happens, you can't help this. What kind
Speaker 1: gave you? What it is? It's the what it is?
Speaker 1: So what it is? So do you guys go on
Speaker 1: a tour bus with Kenny Loggins? What is life living
Speaker 1: with him? Like? When we are yeah, on the tour
Speaker 1: bust We're all in our underwear and he wears like
Speaker 1: what kind of underwears everyone wearing? That's that we can't
Speaker 1: tell that are you wearing your thong running around the buck.
Speaker 1: You are I knew you. You guys are some freaky
Speaker 1: ship were freaky you know what it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's just really fun. We uh, you know, they route
Speaker 1: the tour and we'll be in Colorado going from town
Speaker 1: to town to town. Some days you wake up and
Speaker 1: you've got like a two hour ride and you're in
Speaker 1: the next place and you're hanging out all day. And
Speaker 1: then sometimes, you know, you wake up and you go,
Speaker 1: oh god, we're gonna be on the bus for eleven hours.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks bus like, riding the bus is so sexy,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's so sexy, like if there's so
Speaker 1: much like you know, back in the days, like hooking
Speaker 1: up and drugs and alcohol and like flash and done
Speaker 1: a lot. So now just yeah and a TV that
Speaker 1: freezes every time the movie starts getting good? So is
Speaker 1: it sexy on the road? Now? All you can do
Speaker 1: is hope that when the bus stops, you're near a mall.
Speaker 1: That's the best thing I can hope for, is it
Speaker 1: there's a place to eat in walking distance? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have we have very low expectations, but I please
Speaker 1: give us a ruby Tuesdays and Spencers gets oh Spencer, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was I like Spencers and some good stuff, everything, everything,
Speaker 1: a little of everything, So they still have Spencers. It's
Speaker 1: it's happening. So Gary, I've heard you say this before,
Speaker 1: that you okay. You guys probably write songs many days
Speaker 1: out of the week, and you've done this for years,
Speaker 1: so obviously not every song you've written has been cut
Speaker 1: by an artist, which cut means recorded. So you said,
Speaker 1: you have these orphans songs that are just like all
Speaker 1: these amazing songs that at one point a lot of
Speaker 1: them sparked electricity in you and you love but they
Speaker 1: just have no home. Right, What happens with those? And
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Well? The good thing
Speaker 1: is is because I can sing, or you can sing.
Speaker 1: If I have an orphan song like that and I
Speaker 1: really love it that much, it's my job to record
Speaker 1: it and go perform it and get audience feedback, and
Speaker 1: if I get enough, if certain songs, I try them
Speaker 1: out when I do solo shows, and if certain songs resonate.
Speaker 1: That's what happened a table thirty two. I was playing
Speaker 1: it out and I get emails that, oh, we know
Speaker 1: that song. They played on the Radio Ireland in London.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how they got their hands on it,
Speaker 1: but it's like when you find what resonates, then it's
Speaker 1: my job to collect those songs and make a record,
Speaker 1: and it's my job to continue my passion. If no
Speaker 1: one else is going to buy it or record it,
Speaker 1: then it's my job too. If it's worth doing, If
Speaker 1: I love it that much, I gotta get it out there.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you owe it to the song?
Speaker 1: I do, and not every song is worthy of that.
Speaker 1: But you find out I mean, I you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you play songs you're excited about, and you play them
Speaker 1: you get a great reaction, so you pull it out periodically,
Speaker 1: or you get like try it two or three times
Speaker 1: and don't get the reactions yourself. I guess, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote a song fifteen years ago that I thought
Speaker 1: was a good piece of work. I thought was I
Speaker 1: thought it really was an important song for me to
Speaker 1: have written, and it just sat there because I loved
Speaker 1: us No, you know. It's a song called Younger and
Speaker 1: I would play and every time I would play it,
Speaker 1: whoever I played it for would go crazy for it.
Speaker 1: And I played it in New York at a show
Speaker 1: with a writer friend of mine named Billy Man, probably
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and he loved it. All this great,
Speaker 1: it's great, and I went my way. He went his way.
Speaker 1: He climbs in the business. I climbed in the business.
Speaker 1: And a couple of you know, like last year, he
Speaker 1: calls me up and says, you know, I know that
Speaker 1: I don't own this sign't of anything to do with
Speaker 1: the song, but I love this song. So I pitched
Speaker 1: this song and Joe Cocker recorded the song. It's like
Speaker 1: on the last album right before he died. It's one
Speaker 1: of the last songs because I just meant something to
Speaker 1: Billy him and I wrote it fifteen years ago and
Speaker 1: now it's on the last Joe Cocker record, like this beautiful,
Speaker 1: definitive version of it that I'm really proud of. And
Speaker 1: now that is out there in the universe, and who knows, well,
Speaker 1: you're that got a life performance. Billy wouldn't have heard it.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's our job to get things out
Speaker 1: here here if we keep it in our closet. We
Speaker 1: have a giant closet full of this stuff. The way
Speaker 1: you know other people have sweaters every once in a
Speaker 1: while you rotate them and bring them out and try
Speaker 1: them out, you know, because you never know. They're not
Speaker 1: cottage cheese. There's no expiration. And how crazy though that
Speaker 1: like that story? For instance, Billy he's obviously so successful
Speaker 1: and to be so non competitive that he would because
Speaker 1: pitched his own song, that he would pitch the song
Speaker 1: of yours just because he believes in music so much.
Speaker 1: That's really special. That kind of community is really special.
Speaker 1: That like that you believe in songs and if they're
Speaker 1: not yours, Yeah, that's really awesome. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: care for his songs, but what matters. His taste and
Speaker 1: my taster are equally good. So that story sounds magical,
Speaker 1: which makes me wonder, do you guys believe in magic?
Speaker 1: I do? I mean, I believe you have to prepare
Speaker 1: for the magic. I believe. You know. I met somebody
Speaker 1: recently said I really want be a singer. I said,
Speaker 1: what are you doing about it? She does nothing. I
Speaker 1: just want to be discovered. I go, so what are
Speaker 1: you doing about it? She's like, well nothing, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well then you're not going to be discovered. You have
Speaker 1: to let people hear. You have to write songs and
Speaker 1: get it out there for for people to experience. Otherwise
Speaker 1: you're not doing your job. Once you do that as
Speaker 1: a songwriter or performer, then magic happens. You attract it,
Speaker 1: but you have to put it out there. You have
Speaker 1: to do the work too. Yeah, I understand weird things happen,
Speaker 1: but it happens because somebody put it out there. If
Speaker 1: you hadn't played it that night, you wouldn't be sitting
Speaker 1: with a Joe Cocker record on that shof right now.
Speaker 1: You just pulled it out. I mean, you have to prepare,
Speaker 1: you believe in putting yourself out there. You have to.
Speaker 1: I think you have to do a lot of what
Speaker 1: you think and what from the outside looks like magic
Speaker 1: and lightning. Really you know, yeah it's lightning. But we
Speaker 1: spent years building the big metal poll. That's exactly that's true.
Speaker 1: That's a good way of putting it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: should be like in the Country Music Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: Why not the country building the pole that is, that's
Speaker 1: what we need to do. That's exactly what poles I mean, thongs. Sure,
Speaker 1: it all comes back to you know, I see what
Speaker 1: the real underlying tones are of this relationship Okay, anything
Speaker 1: else you'll need me to know, like tell me something crazy,
Speaker 1: just a wild story that someone would freak out what
Speaker 1: they heard. Really. Yeah, she used to wait at me
Speaker 1: at the Green dating. We didn't know each other, and
Speaker 1: I used to always go there. Is that how y'all met?
Speaker 1: Originally I used to go there and try to get
Speaker 1: seated in her see her because she was just like
Speaker 1: the cutest thing. And then I found out that she
Speaker 1: was like a writer and a singer in town, and
Speaker 1: I guess we hadn't say stay away from her, you know,
Speaker 1: we would have that to talk about in common. And
Speaker 1: then she got a record deal and they did up
Speaker 1: to write with me. Remember when I said, I, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I told you today when I said,
Speaker 1: I was in my publishing office. I got my first
Speaker 1: deal and they said, who do you want to write with?
Speaker 1: And I said, Gary Burr? I want to write with
Speaker 1: Gary Burr. Well that's not gonna happen. And then I
Speaker 1: got a record deal. So again I was doing the work,
Speaker 1: I was writing the songs, and I got a record
Speaker 1: deal and suddenly I'm in a position where he might
Speaker 1: want to write with me because he might get on
Speaker 1: my record. We write the right song. So that's that's
Speaker 1: building the poll to your And I wanted to write
Speaker 1: with Gary really all about this poem. You love that poll?
Speaker 1: I do. But how crazy though that you can had
Speaker 1: a vision board like you had your sides on? Gary? Hey?
Speaker 1: Who Yeah? And then for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: every time I was single, she was you know, I'd
Speaker 1: run it to her and the first thing out of
Speaker 1: her mouth was always, oh, I want you to see
Speaker 1: my new boyfriend. Yeah, I didn't know he was interested
Speaker 1: in A really cool thing happened. You know. I got
Speaker 1: out of a long term relationship and I ran into
Speaker 1: Gary at a party and he said, how's it going.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, you know with my boyfriend? Said we
Speaker 1: broke up? And he said really And he said what's wrong?
Speaker 1: And I said, I always left the window open. I was.
Speaker 1: I never could quite commit to anybody I've been with
Speaker 1: because I have this open window and I want to
Speaker 1: shut it one day. But he said, what you will
Speaker 1: when you find the right person. And I hope so.
Speaker 1: And that was ten years ago. I mean that was
Speaker 1: did you guys write open window? No great idea? You
Speaker 1: gotta ride that. It's a great idea, that it's really good.
Speaker 1: I know, if there's your vision, Yeah, that's a really
Speaker 1: good idea. Thanks. I used to be a songwriter. I
Speaker 1: write what I wrote with people like Gary Byr and
Speaker 1: Georgia Middleman. When once in my life that's really good.
Speaker 1: That's he gave me great advice and and a little
Speaker 1: did I know we were going to date a few
Speaker 1: years after that? So how do you put the moves on?
Speaker 1: When did you guys know you loved each other? M
Speaker 1: hm um, whether you know what I just I got.
Speaker 1: I found myself single. I was out of a relationship,
Speaker 1: and I decided to be proactive about it. And I
Speaker 1: sent her a message saying, uh, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: looking to write it. I'm not looking to your up front.
Speaker 1: Just I want to take you out, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to take you out to dinner if you're if
Speaker 1: you're not seeing anybody, and I said, perfectly, you're seeing someone.
Speaker 1: I was seeing somebody and I went. But I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, because we're excited. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: had a Christian would be But I didn't know he
Speaker 1: liked me. I just knew I liked to break up
Speaker 1: with your boyfriend. Well, I didn't bring up with him
Speaker 1: but I emailed her. He said, where the where the
Speaker 1: hell were you six months ago when I was single
Speaker 1: and I was just flirting, but I couldn't believe. And
Speaker 1: then he and then he laid the big bomb. And
Speaker 1: the guys out there, if you like a girl who's unavailable,
Speaker 1: here's what you do. What was the big bomb? He said, Damn,
Speaker 1: I should have asked when you were waiting tables twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. I should ask you then. And that meant
Speaker 1: he liked all that time, and I had no wait years.
Speaker 1: I like her a long time. You guys have had
Speaker 1: like this love tension for twenty years, and try dating
Speaker 1: a guy. It was a brand new relationship. I was
Speaker 1: with guy with that in your head and you love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you had to break up? How long were you
Speaker 1: with him? And then you said pizza, you got Gary,
Speaker 1: I'm available. Did y'all make out for four weeks? I mean,
Speaker 1: the said the guy. It's not like we were long
Speaker 1: term or anything. When you guys got together, y'all make
Speaker 1: out first night. The first night, I got sick to
Speaker 1: my stomach, and you're nervous. It was so nervous, And
Speaker 1: he said, why are you sick? Why do you feel bad,
Speaker 1: And I said, because I'm afraid of what's coming next.
Speaker 1: And he said, you mean this, you mean every kissing.
Speaker 1: Then she threw up all over the cover that was
Speaker 1: and then you are together ever since, pretty much inseparable,
Speaker 1: like like stripper on a pole. Yeah again, man, you
Speaker 1: guys would like to Beyonce and jay Z of the
Speaker 1: not that Beyonce and jay Z. Beyonce silver Stein and
Speaker 1: jay Z. Schwartzman, we are just like that exactly. You
Speaker 1: guys are are power couple. Hey, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so fun. You know at night? Will
Speaker 1: you know nothing on TV? Let's get down stairs, red song?
Speaker 1: Is that what ya do? But it sounds done. That
Speaker 1: sounds like we're professional. You are professional. No, we do
Speaker 1: do that. We'll just we're sitting upstairs and hey, let's
Speaker 1: go run into the piano and write a song. We
Speaker 1: just did a duo album together. Middleman. We're doing tours
Speaker 1: and and and shows and things like that. Your middle member,
Speaker 1: your Blue sky Riders. You're individually Georgia Middleman and Gary
Speaker 1: Burn just did a show a couple of months ago
Speaker 1: where we backed up Carol Carol King where we're bannedly
Speaker 1: you yeah, and here we're gonna back at coming up.
Speaker 1: Can't say yeah, okay, you never know, there's someone on
Speaker 1: the horizon. Everyone be looking. Can you guys believe that
Speaker 1: this is your life? Is this what you dreamed it
Speaker 1: would be? Right? We can truly say you love your
Speaker 1: life like you're living or terrific? Yeah, it's fun. Life
Speaker 1: should be fun everyone. So many people think you just
Speaker 1: have to wake up and get like a regular job,
Speaker 1: like an electrician. There's anything wrong with that, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, do a career path. But really, don't you
Speaker 1: think if you follow your passion you can make a
Speaker 1: living in life. You're good at it. You have to
Speaker 1: be some people. Some people aren't. It's tricky, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they can spend I remember it killed me. I ran
Speaker 1: into a guy he was in an audience and he said,
Speaker 1: how did you do this? How did you get do
Speaker 1: this for a living? And I that's a big question.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We all have different paths. But he said,
Speaker 1: I've got this family, i can't do what I really
Speaker 1: want to do. And I'm like, oh, he chose family,
Speaker 1: which is like the best choice you can make. And
Speaker 1: he's resentful and I'm like, oh, so if people are
Speaker 1: are electricians or they do a day job nine to five,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that as long as they can
Speaker 1: exercise their passion. True, sometimes the nine to five is
Speaker 1: a passion, but if it's not, as long as they
Speaker 1: have an outlet for the other stuff, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be the career. You could just be fun as
Speaker 1: long as you have and go downstairs. Because you had
Speaker 1: to write. So that was my that was going to
Speaker 1: save me for you know, And uh so you had
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, I had to do it. But
Speaker 1: you know, but kids, the kids were there and taking
Speaker 1: care of and loved and secure, and and I just
Speaker 1: I knew that the way to make them very safe
Speaker 1: and secure is to work as hard as I could
Speaker 1: at at the lottery business. No one, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't win the lottery being an electrician. You can win
Speaker 1: the lottery being a songwriter. And that's luckily what happened
Speaker 1: to me, and I was able to do it full
Speaker 1: time and stay in the lottery business. My favorite movie
Speaker 1: in the world is Mr. Helen's Opus. If he was
Speaker 1: just a music teacher, just a music teacher, and he
Speaker 1: affected all these kids, and he really wanted to be
Speaker 1: a star, and he wanted to get his music out
Speaker 1: to the masses, and he never did and he felt
Speaker 1: like a failure. And then he sees these kids come
Speaker 1: back and show him what they did for their lives
Speaker 1: and it's like it's because he aspired them. He did,
Speaker 1: and he didn't think he was worth anything, but he
Speaker 1: that's those are the kind of stories that resonate with me.
Speaker 1: Is real people and not those stars. I like real stories.
Speaker 1: That's where life is. And when I was a waitress
Speaker 1: and that happened to me at table thirty two with
Speaker 1: that couple, I went, I'm supposed to be a waitress.
Speaker 1: Stop beating yourself up for not being The music got
Speaker 1: incredible inspiration. Exactly. That's life. And if you don't have life,
Speaker 1: what good is music and writing songs and none of
Speaker 1: that matters. You've got to experience life, and people forget
Speaker 1: that anything. I gotta be a star, I gotta be
Speaker 1: now you don't go experience life. And maybe you'll like
Speaker 1: to definitely become a star because you're doing all the
Speaker 1: right things or not. And who cares if you're exercising
Speaker 1: your passion, Yeah, do it, even if it's not professionally.
Speaker 1: You gotta exercise of your passion somewhere. You have to
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it will eat you alive. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. So I like to end my podcast
Speaker 1: with a segment called leave your Light, so leave me inspiration.
Speaker 1: I like that. I want a separate inspiration both. Okay,
Speaker 1: leave your life? Is that what it's called? Wow? Can
Speaker 1: we think? Do you have one yet? And it's some inspiration.
Speaker 1: It's some inspiration that you have lived by or that's
Speaker 1: encouraged you or helped you or that. Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: here's mine. I have a saying. Brian Andreas is an artist.
Speaker 1: He does these really cool sculpture drawings um and paints
Speaker 1: them and he puts these really cool sayings and it's
Speaker 1: hanging in our bathroom. But it says it's hardest to
Speaker 1: love the ordinary things. She said, but we get lots
Speaker 1: of opportunities to practice. And for me, it's it's everyday
Speaker 1: life that people want bigger, they want more and more,
Speaker 1: and it's like, when you can love your everyday life,
Speaker 1: that's the most you could ever get. And that feeds
Speaker 1: everything about your life, that feeds your creativity and your job,
Speaker 1: and it seeps that love of the little ordinary things
Speaker 1: feeds and makes a great life. And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: it brings opportunities to it attracts wonderful things that I
Speaker 1: love it too. Hey, you're at the top back, Gary
Speaker 1: ber Yeah, I can't talk. You have to you have well,
Speaker 1: you have to add at least accentuate essentially. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I do either. You know, I always
Speaker 1: told my kids that if you just try to be
Speaker 1: the best you can be at whatever you choose to be,
Speaker 1: and you can, in a funny way, you can get
Speaker 1: away with murder no matter what you do for a living.
Speaker 1: If you make yourself indispensable, and if you make yourself
Speaker 1: precious to someone, then they, you know, they you get
Speaker 1: cut a lot of slack. You you get. When I
Speaker 1: was an electrician, I tried to be the best one
Speaker 1: I could be because when I would go to my
Speaker 1: boss and say I need to go to New York
Speaker 1: City and do that most for my other job, he
Speaker 1: would let me gladly because I was valuable to him
Speaker 1: and I was. I was, you know, he respected how
Speaker 1: hard I worked when I was there, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know that's what I tried to tell the kids,
Speaker 1: is you just you just try to be the best
Speaker 1: you can be, because, like Joe DiMaggio said, you know,
Speaker 1: he they asked, somebody asked me. He was hurt and
Speaker 1: he was older, and you're asking why he, you know,
Speaker 1: ran so far to get a ball when he could
Speaker 1: have just let it bounce and let the other guy
Speaker 1: get it. And he said, you know, there could be
Speaker 1: some kid in the stands and this is his only
Speaker 1: time he's ever gonna see me play, and I want
Speaker 1: him to see me. I want him to remember me being,
Speaker 1: you know, great and trying and you know, so that's
Speaker 1: the attitude that I've always had. I tried to write
Speaker 1: every song great because somebody out there made that may
Speaker 1: be the only song of mine every year. So you
Speaker 1: don't want it, you don't put corners or half as No.
Speaker 1: I never, I never do, and I never I think
Speaker 1: every song deserves maximum attention because there are songs that
Speaker 1: I didn't think m You know, when you finish a song,
Speaker 1: sometimes you think, oh, this is amazing, and sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: I literally think, well, it's a song. But I'm not
Speaker 1: the best judge because some of those songs that I thought,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, I mean, it's a song,
Speaker 1: got recorded and ended up being a song that some
Speaker 1: family buried somebody too, and they've written me and told me,
Speaker 1: my my father just died and we played such and
Speaker 1: such a song and it's trun And I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was all that great when I
Speaker 1: wrote it. Something else I didn't. Apparently I didn't write
Speaker 1: it for me. You were just the vehicle that got
Speaker 1: it out there. That's a whole bunch of different you know,
Speaker 1: that's a whole bunch of candles. But put them again.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you're doing. Do whatever you're doing. Do it
Speaker 1: because that's what you attract that and other people. You know,
Speaker 1: if I work as hard, if I see you working
Speaker 1: so hard, it's like I gotta I want it attracts
Speaker 1: that and other people. We all want to be like that.
Speaker 1: That's so true, Okay. George Middlewan and Gary Burr, everyone
Speaker 1: you love. She's a queen of talking. He she's on
Speaker 1: the side. She got the stoop no one can do
Speaker 1: with Caralam Carala. I hope you loved hearing from Gary
Speaker 1: and Georgia. They are two of my most favorite people.
Speaker 1: I love them so much. I'm so glad they're on
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