Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Speaker 1: Rough with myself Teddy mellon Camp.
Speaker 2: And I'm Erica Jane. Hello, miss Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 3: Hi, how's it going. It's going, it's going, it's going.
Speaker 2: My do you get allergies? I do, okay, so they
Speaker 2: affect my eyes more than anything. So I had like
Speaker 2: the hardest time today. And I also I also ate
Speaker 2: Chinese food yesterday and I think I like drownded in
Speaker 2: soy sauce. So like my.
Speaker 3: Eyes, everything feels puffy.
Speaker 2: Everything feels puffy and yucky. But I'm here, I'm excited
Speaker 2: about it. So I want to jump right into this
Speaker 2: because I was kind of blown away by this episode.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 2: I was too and as snoozy and as you know,
Speaker 2: we thought I thought we thought last week was.
Speaker 3: This was not No, this was not snoozy all this was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to need your help on a lot
Speaker 2: of this because I have some thoughts and some questions
Speaker 2: and maybe you can help me clarify and then just
Speaker 2: some ideas. I don't I don't really know what to
Speaker 2: I'm just going to start off by saying I don't
Speaker 2: really know where what I'm believing at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I feel too.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's.
Speaker 3: Talk reunion looks after.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do reunion looks after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll do her. But the episode starts out,
Speaker 3: Slade asks Gretcha and how she's feeling. Gretchen and says
Speaker 3: she had a good cry and is mentally exhausted fighting
Speaker 3: the same person who will never take accountability.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's both of you.
Speaker 3: But isn't Yeah, I was going to say, isn't Gretchen
Speaker 3: the one who kept bringing up the fight this season?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying it's both she and Tamera back and forth,
Speaker 2: So it's both of them. It's not just you know,
Speaker 2: Gretchen one sided. And I can understand. You know, you
Speaker 2: had a good cry and I mentally exhausted from watching them,
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean. So I'm sure that
Speaker 2: she's tired too. Yeah, does she do her own blowouts?
Speaker 2: Because it's always good.
Speaker 3: I want to know.
Speaker 2: I want to know because that front bang is like
Speaker 2: it's all away, it's banging and it's not. I I
Speaker 2: just I need to know, Gretchen, are you blowing out
Speaker 2: your own hair? But you know, calling Slade and I
Speaker 2: get it, you know, but I'm exhausted to girl. But
Speaker 2: your bangs are Your bangs are alive.
Speaker 3: Your bangs are wide away. My dad used to call
Speaker 3: wide awag. My dad, you know, remember back in like
Speaker 3: the eighties when people would do their bangs and they
Speaker 3: would like, oh, yes, stick straight up. Yes, he used
Speaker 3: to call it scared hair.
Speaker 2: He's right. And you know who did it the best
Speaker 2: was Bon Jovi. And I think I may have some
Speaker 2: scared hair out there too, and.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be looking around off. Yeah, you know, I am.
Speaker 2: Emily cries to Gina about how she feels horrible, like
Speaker 2: a horrible mom being in Amster damn while Shane is
Speaker 2: dealing with the kids at home, and especially because Shane
Speaker 2: lost it on Luke.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean this is bound to happen.
Speaker 2: It is bound to happen. And also, you know, she's
Speaker 2: not the This happens to all kinds of parents, every
Speaker 2: every parent in the world. They're not there when you know,
Speaker 2: something happens and the other parent is there alone, And
Speaker 2: this is very par for the course for parenting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have these things that come up,
Speaker 3: and especially I feel like they come up more when
Speaker 3: one parent is out of town, always, always, always, because
Speaker 3: then I like, I remember when f I used to
Speaker 3: travel a bunch, Like every time i'd go out of town,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh shit, this is happening. Yep, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you feel even worse because you're not there
Speaker 3: and you feel like there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: Well there, Yeah you have to wait till you get
Speaker 2: home or get on the phone and yeah, this is
Speaker 2: you know, and you're doing this show in Amsterdam and
Speaker 2: I know that Luke. They're very concerned about Luke. I
Speaker 2: get it. I get it why Emily feels this way.
Speaker 2: Gretchen and Tamor go on the swing together, which looked
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm okay, I feel like throw each other
Speaker 2: off at any time.
Speaker 3: I know, I feel like Emily is working overtime trying
Speaker 3: to get these two to reconcile. I have to give
Speaker 3: it to her for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that she's trying.
Speaker 2: She's trying real hard.
Speaker 3: She's trying real hard.
Speaker 2: Real hard.
Speaker 3: But while they're on the swing together, I was wondering.
Speaker 3: I was like, so this is knowing what we know now?
Speaker 3: Like after finishing the episode, I find this swing forced.
Speaker 2: Yes, I knew it. I know you so well, didn't you?
Speaker 2: It was odd?
Speaker 3: It was odd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like either we're mad or we're mad.
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah where they're mad or not mad.
Speaker 2: I just know that I wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you'd be doing it.
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be doing it either. Gina, Heather,
Speaker 2: and Shannon takes shrooms to go to an indoor maze.
Speaker 2: Gina says she felt bad for Gretchen the night before.
Speaker 2: While Gina and Heather are Tate are talking, Shannon, here's
Speaker 2: the Real Housewife's song, and no one else hears it. Okay,
Speaker 2: have you ever taken shrooms?
Speaker 3: I haven't, but I would be scared to take it
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 2: Right because you don't know what could come out? Yes,
Speaker 2: but I guess like I like shrooms. I think they're
Speaker 2: really This is gonna sound crazy, and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't care. I think they're very therapeutic, you know, for
Speaker 2: whatever it's worth. And I enjoyed that. I like it
Speaker 2: that Heather let's you know. I like it that Heather
Speaker 2: does this and Gina and Shannon and they're all good sports.
Speaker 2: I think it's fun. I liked the maize. I thought
Speaker 2: it was good art. I loved it that they showed
Speaker 2: themselves and Shannon hearing the Real Housewives songs. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I've heard of seeing some shit on shrooms that were
Speaker 2: you know, it's certainly not a Housewives.
Speaker 3: I'm hearing it right now just because we're talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of ominous too. It's like, this is Halloween.
Speaker 2: This is I don't know why it reminds me of that,
Speaker 2: but it does. Jack Skellington, Uh, But I love the
Speaker 2: fact that they took streams and went to an indoor maze.
Speaker 2: This is something I would do. And they're all having
Speaker 2: fun together, right, which I.
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, they're having fun together. I did notice that
Speaker 3: they do make a point to always show when Shannon
Speaker 3: goes up in order to drink.
Speaker 2: Wow, that got by me.
Speaker 3: But yes, the other two girls are sitting. They showed that's.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right. So she's still I don't know if
Speaker 2: i'd be drinking on the shrooms. Maybe that's why she
Speaker 2: heard the Housewives you know song. But yeah. Gretchen says
Speaker 2: she's lost a lot of people in her life to cancer,
Speaker 2: and she was hoping Tamara would feel bad for her
Speaker 2: after dealing with Teddy. I just say something. I hate
Speaker 2: it when you're brought up in this shit. I just
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't this moment, I did feel like Tamra
Speaker 3: was being genuine with Gretchen when she said, I feel
Speaker 3: for you and your friend, yeah who passed away.
Speaker 2: I like it when they put the gard yeah, I
Speaker 2: like it when they put the guard down.
Speaker 3: And then I didn't really expect from my cancer to
Speaker 3: bring tam and Gretchen together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just I don't know. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I don't like it when you're mentioned like that. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it rubs me. I don't know, I feel
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Also, they kind of like pause before they say my
Speaker 3: name each time, like Gretchen was like, so I thought
Speaker 3: because of what was going on with Teddy.
Speaker 2: Right I know, like they do they well listen, it's
Speaker 2: a sensitive you're a sensitive subject, rightfully so.
Speaker 3: But either way, then Tamra suggests signing a friendship contract
Speaker 3: with question there's a Slade memorandum this they pull up
Speaker 3: on chatchebt or was it.
Speaker 2: It has to be it has to be a chat
Speaker 2: GPT contract, which means it's null and void.
Speaker 3: Tamra has to agree not to not mention Slade's finances, career.
Speaker 2: Or existence that was kind of amazing or existence.
Speaker 3: I want to have a contract that says, don't mention
Speaker 3: my existence.
Speaker 2: Don't mention my existence. Shouldn't they have signed the contract?
Speaker 2: As a viewer, I would have appreciated it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it.
Speaker 2: I mean I would have appreciated the no existence and
Speaker 2: the you know, you know how I feel about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then Tamar tells Gina that she knows s Gretching
Speaker 3: is not a good person. Gina wants Scretching to make
Speaker 3: her feel better about the post she likes, and then
Speaker 3: Tamar asked Gina to not bring it up tonight. Save
Speaker 3: it for the last night.
Speaker 2: Girl, Oh my god, to anybody that's ever been close
Speaker 2: to their ship, you know, exactly.
Speaker 3: Bring it up more than.
Speaker 2: Bring it up tomorrow night before we go home, before
Speaker 2: we all fly home.
Speaker 3: Right, and she can take her own sprinter van.
Speaker 2: That's right. That kicked out with her fur wrap whatever.
Speaker 2: And the bang was still good. Though the bang was
Speaker 2: still bang was still thing. Is she doing that blowout herself?
Speaker 2: I'm so I think I think she does it herself.
Speaker 2: But it's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's got that at going.
Speaker 2: Whatever she's got going. Let me know, it doesn't move,
Speaker 2: it doesn't move. It's very you know, and like I
Speaker 2: get criticized for my shit, but it's very Toddlers and Tiras,
Speaker 2: which was one of my favorite shows. I love Going
Speaker 2: to Cancel me if you want. I love that fucking show.
Speaker 2: It was so great just because it was so ridiculous. Uh,
Speaker 2: but I feel like, yeah, like she's giving me that full.
Speaker 3: On Yeah, she's giving she's giving pageant. Mm hmm mm
Speaker 3: hmmm hmm.
Speaker 2: Love a pageant, Love a pageant, Love a pageant.
Speaker 3: Then Emily goes with Heather to spread her dad's ashes.
Speaker 3: They meet the current homeowner who lives in Heather's parents
Speaker 3: old home to go in.
Speaker 2: I thought this was lovely and how beautiful was that home?
Speaker 3: That was a beautiful I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Like in the courtyard and it was gorgeous. So Heather
Speaker 2: like wow, and the man was so nice like would
Speaker 2: you like to come inside and film?
Speaker 3: And I actually believe it, Like I don't think that
Speaker 3: was set up prior.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. And I think that
Speaker 2: it was really nice and he that was really kind
Speaker 2: of him. So whoever you are, mister dutch Man, that
Speaker 2: was really cool and I'm glad that they got to.
Speaker 3: Go in, I know, and you could feel it. And
Speaker 3: then she's like, of course, the one time my mom
Speaker 3: doesn't answer the phone.
Speaker 2: Right, I know, right, the one time? What that's the
Speaker 2: way it goes. And it was besha, Heather, It was
Speaker 2: beshare meant to be? And Heather doesn't want to hold
Speaker 2: on to things anymore. She wants to do this as
Speaker 2: a thank you to her dad. And then we see
Speaker 2: her like, you know, with her.
Speaker 3: Legs over on the side. Yeah, Emily scooting away.
Speaker 2: I like that, you know, gave her her privacy. And
Speaker 2: Emily was so cute. I know, Emily like giving her
Speaker 2: her privacy. Now, I don't want to end this on
Speaker 2: a on a tacky note, but I'm going to We
Speaker 2: released some ashes on ours and it blew back on us.
Speaker 2: So while Heather was having her moment, I was very
Speaker 2: happy that nothing bad happened during that.
Speaker 3: There was no wind.
Speaker 2: There was no wind because Merce got in my mouth.
Speaker 2: You ate Merce, yes, a little bit of it.
Speaker 3: And how does merce taste.
Speaker 2: Like dust, like you know when you we know when
Speaker 2: like this fine powdery mist of stuff like it was.
Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that Heather had a civilized, lovely
Speaker 2: moment with her dad, because I'm telling you, all I
Speaker 2: could think of was God or Garcel got doused in
Speaker 2: merce And she was such a good friend. She didn't
Speaker 2: even like, really, you know, make a big deal about it.
Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on her having first seat and Shannon,
Speaker 3: a housewife having second seat.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting, was interesting choice.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if you saw that she requested that
Speaker 3: in order.
Speaker 2: To be on I would imagine, so yeah, I would imagine,
Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Shannon brings up how Gretchen told her they were talking
Speaker 3: about her behind her back. They said, no one will
Speaker 3: want to be with her because she wears spanks and
Speaker 3: the fat comes out like biscuits.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they did say it just moves the fat around.
Speaker 2: They did, right, They did say that it moves the
Speaker 2: fat around, redistributes.
Speaker 3: Distributes everything around.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was like a malicious conversation that
Speaker 3: they originally had.
Speaker 2: Mean, look, we all everybody I Warren spanks, everybody's worn spanks,
Speaker 2: Emily's not wrong. It does redistribute, and when you compress
Speaker 2: certain pieces, other pieces pop over. It's like a popover.
Speaker 3: But she Shannon always shows.
Speaker 2: Well, then don't show us you're wearing spanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't show us. She shows the spanks, and then
Speaker 3: she also but she said, she goes, I'm allowed to
Speaker 3: make fun of myself, but I don't want other people
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 2: I understand that, but unfortunately that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, if all of us in the world, like, yes,
Speaker 2: I can make fun of myself, but don't want you
Speaker 2: doing it. But that's that's I get it. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think we had something else on a previous episode
Speaker 2: where I said, yeah, it's okay for Shannon to talk
Speaker 2: about it, but not anyone else. I get it. And
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, every one of us have
Speaker 2: worn spanks. I wear skims now, I do. I like skims.
Speaker 2: I fucking good shit.
Speaker 3: I love I have skims brawn right, I love my skins.
Speaker 3: Skims are but did you see the new skims.
Speaker 2: That's like a I don't want a seventies porn bush.
Speaker 3: Seventies porn bush underwear. No thank you, spikes, but everything
Speaker 3: else skims send my way, I mean skims send my way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love skims.
Speaker 3: We love skim, love skins. I love that. Tamar and
Speaker 3: Emily say that was taken out of context.
Speaker 2: It really wasn't. Though it really wasn't. Bottom line is
Speaker 2: you're wearing spanks and.
Speaker 3: And then Gretchen tries to interject, and Emily tells Gretchen
Speaker 3: to shut up or she will lose it on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. Well. I like it when Emily,
Speaker 2: again I've said this before, I like it when Emily
Speaker 2: gets heated, like she's really civil. You can see her
Speaker 2: working it. And then she's like stop. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 2: Gretchen just leave well enough alone, Like please just just
Speaker 2: don't do this right.
Speaker 3: You brought it up, you did what you needed to do.
Speaker 3: We're talking about it, she apologized. She's trying to apologize
Speaker 3: to Shannon. Yeah, keep it moving.
Speaker 2: When Shanna gets up to the bathroom, her price tag
Speaker 2: is on her skirts. The price tag on her skirt
Speaker 2: is out stick or honest?
Speaker 3: I think in her case honest. I think the bike
Speaker 3: riding might be stick.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I thought the bike riding was very real.
Speaker 2: See we have the reverse. I was like this chick
Speaker 2: is going to crash on this bike because I looked
Speaker 2: at how concerned everybody else was about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. But here here's the problem that I'm
Speaker 3: having when it comes to Emily in the situation, Like,
Speaker 3: I love her, but after how she felt last year
Speaker 3: about her body like shaming.
Speaker 2: Season, Yeah it didn't.
Speaker 3: One would think that you would be more cautious about
Speaker 3: the things that you said.
Speaker 2: Yes, but no, I mean, who better than to make
Speaker 2: fun of themselves than somebody who's had body issues.
Speaker 3: I mean, but she's not making fun of herself. She's
Speaker 3: making She's.
Speaker 2: Probably including herself in it though she feels like I've
Speaker 2: had these issues, you know, there's like a kinship there.
Speaker 3: Then say I wear spanks and but like and then
Speaker 3: make the joke. But she didn't, No, she didn't. But
Speaker 3: I would imagine if one of the other women made
Speaker 3: that joke about her, it wouldn't go over very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I just I don't think so I'm.
Speaker 2: Thinking, but if I wear spanks and you wear spanks,
Speaker 2: we're both in on the joke kind of thing, Like
Speaker 2: does Emily wear spanks? I mean, well, she had the
Speaker 2: body should be thinking said, let's okay, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then the next day they go on the bike ride.
Speaker 3: Would you think was real? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think Shannon like wobbling like that. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a little I was. I was a nervous.
Speaker 3: I was frightened.
Speaker 2: I was frightened. And I think that like I think
Speaker 2: it was like Jen was also like whoa, like wait
Speaker 2: a second, yeah, and Gina right yeah.
Speaker 3: Then Jenna opens up about how she has thoughts if
Speaker 3: she will feel.
Speaker 2: Like enough, always feel enough, and Tamor tells Jen she
Speaker 2: would like to see her establish herself financially, if she
Speaker 2: will always feel enough enough for Ryan?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well she yeah, because she said Ryan, what
Speaker 3: did she say? Has like?
Speaker 2: Uh, Ryan was a playboy, That's what Tamra said. And
Speaker 2: he has I guess he has a lot of experience.
Speaker 3: Has a has a They said something like was it
Speaker 3: colorful past?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right colorful translation up, Yeah, as
Speaker 2: someone who's been called colorful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so has a colorful past. Jen says she appreciates
Speaker 3: a conversation with Tamra without snark.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought, I mean I did think it was a
Speaker 3: good conversation have I think that Jen is working through
Speaker 3: a lot right now, like when it comes to getting married,
Speaker 3: you know, like she's we don't see it, but I
Speaker 3: feel like she has to be stressed.
Speaker 2: Oh very much so, yeah, very much. So she's stressed.
Speaker 2: Who isn't I know? I mean freaking stressed, right, That's
Speaker 2: my point. We're all working through a lot here, But
Speaker 2: I do. I did like it that Tamra engine I
Speaker 2: did have that exchange without snark. Yes, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Then at their final dinner, Tamrabil she had crabs before
Speaker 3: and was itching. Tamra thanks, I didn't need to find
Speaker 3: out on the television show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, she says her ex got it
Speaker 2: from a toilet seat, but he must have been cheating. Yes,
Speaker 2: you can't get wouldn't do dudes where.
Speaker 3: I've never had crabs an aficionado on crabs, But doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like something I would want.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want any of that.
Speaker 3: No, no, but.
Speaker 2: Because well this is a no crab zone because I
Speaker 2: don't have any hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we would know quickly, Yeah, we would.
Speaker 2: That's not going to stick. Tamra makes a toast to
Speaker 2: the last night in Amsterdam and gets emotional about how
Speaker 2: hard this year has been, and she thanks them for
Speaker 2: being there and calls out Heather for helping her through
Speaker 2: the dark times.
Speaker 3: So there's got to be something that we're missing.
Speaker 2: You mean about the dark times or why she and
Speaker 2: Heather are close or what are we talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like when everybody was that supportive of Tama. See
Speaker 3: your mind goes blank.
Speaker 2: No, my mind is I'm actually looking back. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: mind is blank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they weren't that supportive of her.
Speaker 2: It didn't feel like that.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like there was an episode where like
Speaker 3: the girls were.
Speaker 2: Well, she thanks them for being there and calls out
Speaker 2: Heather for helping her. Maybe she's thanking them for being
Speaker 2: there while she made the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just reaching. I'm just reaching.
Speaker 3: Then we you know, we know that Tarma originally had
Speaker 3: told Gina about the LGBTQ, plus that.
Speaker 2: I Heart had given her that I okay, So.
Speaker 3: Let me let me give you a little backstory here.
Speaker 3: I am, I am, I am. Yeah, okay, So to
Speaker 3: give you a little backstory, these posts have been.
Speaker 2: Out there for years, quantified years.
Speaker 3: Somebody actually tweeted me the thread after we discussed with iHeart,
Speaker 3: and we chose not to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you guys chose not to talk Yeah, we chose
Speaker 2: not to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I mean over a year ago. I saw
Speaker 3: these right, twenty twenty three. Okay.
Speaker 2: Gretchen denies it. She thinks she is scrolling quickly and
Speaker 2: liking it by accidents. Heather gets emotional, saying LGBTQ plus
Speaker 2: youth are in danger right now. So just pause right there.
Speaker 2: What's your first instinct when Gretchen denies it and says
Speaker 2: she's scrolling quickly and liking it by accident.
Speaker 3: I've called bs. Youre following these accounts.
Speaker 2: Or they're coming up on your feed somehow? Know that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What we do know is the Instagram that they did
Speaker 3: blur out said when you open the door to homosexuality,
Speaker 3: you open the door to pedophilia.
Speaker 2: That's really strong. Yeah, that is that is not true.
Speaker 3: Not only is it not true, she's she I don't
Speaker 3: know if she still is, but she was following this
Speaker 3: person yeah that wrote it.
Speaker 2: That's not good. And then she liked the post that
Speaker 2: post saying that, And whether.
Speaker 3: It's still liked or not, I would imagine she got
Speaker 3: home from Amsterdam and deleted a lot of people that
Speaker 3: she follows and a lot of likes. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: accidentally liking something like that.
Speaker 2: A really strong, like ugly thing, and it's not true.
Speaker 3: And do people still scroll through Instagram and just like
Speaker 3: things like.
Speaker 2: That. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't do you.
Speaker 2: No, But what comes up on my feet are mostly
Speaker 2: my friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, because it's because I followed that
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: But I also, I mean, does she really feel that way?
Speaker 3: Well, she's claiming she doesn't because she had. She's kind
Speaker 3: of silent when they confront her about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was. I and you know, Emily brought up
Speaker 2: like if somebody had said this about me and it
Speaker 2: was a liar, I would have come across the table, which.
Speaker 3: Is I have.
Speaker 2: So I agree with Emily. She was taking it incredible,
Speaker 2: and I thought, is her xenax kicking it? I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that she's on xenax, but I am. That's how
Speaker 2: I act. So she was remarkably calm in the middle
Speaker 2: of this accusation, which I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 2: and you could tell it broke Heather's heart.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean Heather's heart.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, No, she had the absolutely correct reaction
Speaker 2: as someone who has children in the LGBTQ plus community
Speaker 2: and had just done the thing for the Trevor Project.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, this is very these are her kids,
Speaker 2: and yes, right of course, and she's very concerned for
Speaker 2: their safety and I get it. So she had the
Speaker 2: appropriate reaction.
Speaker 3: But I thought Gretchen getting up and calling Slade was bad.
Speaker 3: In the middle of it, I was like, Okay, what
Speaker 3: is going to be the repercussions of this?
Speaker 2: Well, was it Shannon that called her out on that?
Speaker 3: It was Jen?
Speaker 2: That's right. Good good for you, Jen. She was right.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I gave it to Shannon, but good for you, Jen,
Speaker 2: because you were right. She shouldn't be calling Slade right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was not the time. That's not the time
Speaker 3: to do this, because then it all makes everything else
Speaker 3: to come feel like bs.
Speaker 2: It makes it look like conspiracy. And they were going
Speaker 2: to hit back, and like when Slade says I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get that bitch or whatever or calls Tamera a bitch
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, yeah, like we're going to get her, and
Speaker 3: then we see.
Speaker 2: Like and then we see the anonymous voice later on
Speaker 2: I Yeah, this is where I start to get very
Speaker 2: this is Look.
Speaker 3: It really irritated me, and like, I didn't think I'm
Speaker 3: surprised that they would show that last scene.
Speaker 2: Are you surprised because everything else is always so out
Speaker 2: in the open, Like if you have a screenshot, show
Speaker 2: the screenshot if you have if you're like, let's take
Speaker 2: in the case of Kiki Monique, who you know Katie
Speaker 2: was talking to. Kiki showed up, yeah at least faced
Speaker 2: and said no. So if the anonymous person is having
Speaker 2: their voice disguised, why that bothered me?
Speaker 3: And where is this person now?
Speaker 2: And where are these accounts and what is happening? Because
Speaker 2: it what that does is it just it creates this
Speaker 2: this weird like I don't trust anybody now, this is
Speaker 2: just all weird. I find weird, isn't the right?
Speaker 3: I find it odd that they go on this trip
Speaker 3: to Amsterdam, this is released about Gretchen, Gretchen, and then
Speaker 3: they come back and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: two weeks after you know, we're going to get her,
Speaker 3: and then this all happens, right, and now we see
Speaker 3: in the trailer that Gretchen says I spent thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: She said that, Yeah, I spent thousands of dollars trying
Speaker 2: to find out who this was. The other thing is
Speaker 2: and someone pointed out to me, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say who. Someone pointed out to me there were no
Speaker 2: leaks throughout the season from Tamera. Yeah, where are the
Speaker 2: leaks or if there were, we don't know about them yet,
Speaker 2: not saying, but I'm just saying we know right now,
Speaker 2: from what we know right now, there were no leaks
Speaker 2: from Tamera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and any of that stuff that was shared, nothing
Speaker 3: was interesting. Like it was like Teddy and Erica went
Speaker 3: to lunch.
Speaker 2: Okay, you no, like nothing nothing, No bombs were being dropped. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well the biblical thing, like when Jen says, is it
Speaker 2: something biblical? I Heather's reaction, Yeah, I mean not that.
Speaker 2: I was just I don't think I've ever seen Heather.
Speaker 2: It was she angry, and I'm like, I mean I
Speaker 2: think she was angry, upset. She was upset, clearly, But
Speaker 2: is it something biblical? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What you what is Jen getting at there?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Is this I think she's the Bible in your faith?
Speaker 2: Is this how you feel?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think she was trying to say is it
Speaker 3: because of you know, your faith?
Speaker 2: Your faith, I think, I mean which obviously, Jen, I
Speaker 2: don't want to speak for you because whatever, But I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to understand what I saw, and I think
Speaker 2: Gretchen's response was no, right now.
Speaker 3: Greshian's response was something like, I had a drag brunch
Speaker 3: at my house once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a drag brunch.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's true.
Speaker 2: I had a drag brunch. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Drag queens entertaining in my house. We have mimosas, we
Speaker 2: have bottomless mimosas. I mean, my god, I.
Speaker 3: Can never do such a thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could never do such a thing. I
Speaker 2: had a drag brunch, for Christ's sake, my god, that
Speaker 2: you're right about that, the drag brunch.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. What is going on?
Speaker 2: What are we doing with our lives?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was like, I spit up my pedialyte.
Speaker 2: I was, But I had a drag brunch, so everything's okay.
Speaker 3: Don't remember seventeen years ago when I went.
Speaker 2: To a drag brunch. I had a drag brunch.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I had a drag brunch? My god, never in my life.
Speaker 2: I really need to reassess with.
Speaker 3: I needed a good laugh.
Speaker 2: Dragon, I had a drag brunch.
Speaker 3: This is impossible.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 3: I lashed back to Gretchen eighty six years ago, right
Speaker 3: to drag run.
Speaker 2: She does like to hold onto things.
Speaker 3: She had a good glow. Then still she had a
Speaker 3: good blow too.
Speaker 2: My gosh, she was kind of a pioneered drug brunches.
Speaker 2: Maybe she has a point. Maybe she has a point.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I feel when she.
Speaker 2: Chok on it timeline of this drag.
Speaker 3: Brunch, it definitely was over ten years ago with our lives.
Speaker 2: I don't knows.
Speaker 3: Well that makes it all okay? Then well, clearly sorry.
Speaker 2: You had a drag brunch.
Speaker 3: Heather's like, oh I forgot about that drag brunch. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're going back to back to this. That doesn't delete
Speaker 3: all of your tweets, And like, what do you say?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, what is she trying to say?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what is.
Speaker 2: Drag brunch?
Speaker 3: But there's no okay, because there's no way it's as
Speaker 3: shocked as Gretchen seemed. There's absolutely no way Gretchen and
Speaker 3: Slade didn't know these were out there.
Speaker 2: If that's why she was ready with the drag brunch
Speaker 2: that she was prepared. She's like, you know what when
Speaker 2: she says this, you say drag brunch.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You're not a member of You're you said all these things,
Speaker 2: you like them. What are you talking about at a
Speaker 2: drag brunch? Like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: H Well, Then, as Gretchen and Heather start to have
Speaker 3: more of a conversation and Heather asked her to prove
Speaker 3: it's not true, that's when this is the part that's weird.
Speaker 3: This is when Heather Gretchen goes to call Slade to
Speaker 3: tell him, out of all moments, to tell him this
Speaker 3: is the time you choose.
Speaker 2: But she's on the phone, she's on the FaceTime with
Speaker 2: him all the time.
Speaker 3: Well then he says, and I quote Slade's says, this
Speaker 3: is coming from that lying bitch who made comments about
Speaker 3: me looking gay and sandals. Those were terrible sandals.
Speaker 2: Those were terrible. That's a straight man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're called mandals.
Speaker 2: They're called awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but oh my god, you I kind of feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt it in this moment. I'm like,
Speaker 3: the retaliation from this is going to.
Speaker 2: Be well, this is just to here we go, we're
Speaker 2: whipping the we're whipping it back up again. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you know, but I had to think, you know, like
Speaker 2: Gretchen coming back on the show, knowing that those things
Speaker 2: were out there, you do realize that all of this
Speaker 2: is coming, which is why I think she was prepared
Speaker 2: with the drag brunch comment from nineteen thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: And you know this lying bitch. Oh God, please don't
Speaker 2: call women the.
Speaker 3: I just I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: Did you go back and watch it?
Speaker 3: Yes, I went back and watched it. We went back
Speaker 3: and watched. So back in the day when we were on,
Speaker 3: when I was on Beverly Hills, Erica is still on.
Speaker 3: But back in the day when we were on, we
Speaker 3: had like an incident with Aaron.
Speaker 2: Who got arrested for domestic violence in court not too
Speaker 2: long ago with Denise.
Speaker 3: Yes, he what was he even mad at us about?
Speaker 2: I think we were asking Denise questions again about I
Speaker 2: don't know if the Brandy thing had come up yet
Speaker 2: or not. I had a feeling it. Had it had,
Speaker 2: you would know better because I've kind of blocked it out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But whatever it was, Oh, maybe it was because she
Speaker 2: didn't want us to be around the kids, or she
Speaker 2: would have never brought her kids, remember, to the to
Speaker 2: Kyle's home, And I think this was kind of the
Speaker 2: continuation of that. And I can see me say, He's like,
Speaker 2: I'll you know, stop, you need to cut it out.
Speaker 2: And he said something. I was like, do you want
Speaker 2: to go there?
Speaker 3: Like he's like do you want to go?
Speaker 2: And like lean like leaned in and like like I
Speaker 2: and I when I saw it, That's why I told
Speaker 2: you go back and watch it because you can feel
Speaker 2: it all over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can feel and we felt uncomfortable in the moment.
Speaker 2: In the moment, you can see us looking like are
Speaker 2: you doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because whatever we were fighting about wasn't that big
Speaker 3: of a deal.
Speaker 2: It was something like well, and then in our sit
Speaker 2: downs because it was that COVID and was like the
Speaker 2: last time I was at my house, you can see
Speaker 2: me say, well, Denise can stand up for herself. She
Speaker 2: got herself into this group. She can talk for herself.
Speaker 2: We don't need Aaron there like getting in our face
Speaker 2: over something that Denise said or did not say.
Speaker 3: You know, I just I have all these visuals of
Speaker 3: him always just there with like whatever brown drink he
Speaker 3: was drinking all the day, the dark lickor yeah, the
Speaker 3: dark lickor and just telling us that he could cure.
Speaker 2: Cancer cancer and threatening us at the same time. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was really it.
Speaker 3: I mean he was a real gem. I mean God, Okay,
Speaker 3: so back.
Speaker 2: To these gems, yep, back to these oranges. Jen tells
Speaker 2: Gretchen that calling slave was the worst move she could
Speaker 2: have made, and Gretchen cries, saying she didn't know why
Speaker 2: they could do this to her. She says, they are
Speaker 2: making her out to be something she is not. Look,
Speaker 2: this is hard to watch, just because it's just hard
Speaker 2: to watch. And you know, when you've been in these
Speaker 2: dramatic sprinter van blowouts, you know, you know how it is.
Speaker 2: And then in the car on the airport the next morning,
Speaker 2: Gina says Gretchen does follow these accounts, but can't find
Speaker 2: the posts she actually liked.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling Gretchen might have stayed up late
Speaker 3: that night. She had a lot of things to unlike.
Speaker 2: But why wouldn't you have done that before you come
Speaker 2: on the show. Why didn't Gina check the likes and
Speaker 2: the accounts two weeks ago? Yeah, when told her. Why
Speaker 2: didn't Tamra have it or why didn't Tamra screen shot it?
Speaker 2: Or why didn't This is what I This is where
Speaker 2: I think there is screenshots. Yeah, but I need them,
Speaker 2: like I need to be the one that got them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to see them. But they were blurred out.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, if that's what I was
Speaker 2: going to do, I want them to I I personally
Speaker 2: need to know that I did it.
Speaker 3: I know if I was Gretchen, I'd be like, show me, right,
Speaker 3: show me what you got. But did Gretchen ever even
Speaker 3: say that. No, Gretchen never asked to see it because
Speaker 3: she knew it exists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course she knows it exists.
Speaker 3: Like, so why would she say to give me proof?
Speaker 3: She doesn't want the proof because the proof is going
Speaker 3: to hurt her.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't she saying that she did not do this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Clearly, Heather says, Gretchen has always been kind to her
Speaker 2: and would hate to ever accuse someone of something that's
Speaker 2: not true. That's sounds very Heather, like, I get that,
Speaker 2: and I agree. And then Jen says, Tarmah planted it
Speaker 2: with Gina and it worked. I mean, yeah, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't anything new, it was something that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And they probably all knew already.
Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, Gina says, all they do is bring up
Speaker 2: shit on the internet to destroy each other.
Speaker 3: She's right, that's what a lot of them do. And
Speaker 3: that's what I mean across the board house. You can't
Speaker 3: just say Orange County. I would say a lot of
Speaker 3: people dig up stuff just to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what these shows. I mean, The coffee Maker
Speaker 2: and the Haitian. Mortician's not the Haitian. Are you reviewing
Speaker 2: that show? Yeah, it's genius.
Speaker 3: So good, it's genius.
Speaker 2: I now need to watch that show. Yeah, it's probably
Speaker 2: good for that, Like I now.
Speaker 3: Need to watch You need to watch Miami like that. Yep,
Speaker 3: you need to watch Salt Lake City too.
Speaker 2: Guys. I do this job. I don't need any more
Speaker 2: mental breakdowns. Like listen, I start to get like, I
Speaker 2: start to feel a certain way when I watch this show.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh God, here it comes. I'm anticipating the
Speaker 2: fucking you know, the next move. I can just see
Speaker 2: it coming.
Speaker 3: You can feel it.
Speaker 2: I can feel it coming.
Speaker 3: Well, we love when it says after production wrapped, some
Speaker 3: of the women receive dms from a person with information
Speaker 3: about the show.
Speaker 2: Which was not shown, which is not known to the public.
Speaker 3: Gina got a DM about Tamor leaking details about the
Speaker 3: stuff to bloggers and fan pages. They call a man
Speaker 3: his voices disguise. He says stuff that did get filmed
Speaker 3: during the season and was correct. The women are upset
Speaker 3: with Tamor. They think she will hurt anyone in leak information. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I'm a little bit confused by this. Why would
Speaker 3: a random Instagram account all of a sudden decide to
Speaker 3: contact the women after filming stopped and then agree to
Speaker 3: be on a call but have their.
Speaker 2: Voice disguise, And why would you reach out to several
Speaker 2: of the women?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know. This feels very like let's
Speaker 3: deflect me, Like, okay, this is a perfect thing for
Speaker 3: Gression and Slade to do.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, because after production wrapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now they got their ducks.
Speaker 2: So if you know all this stuff, how do you
Speaker 2: know that you know it's gone bad and you need
Speaker 2: to come after Tamra now, Yeah, Like why are you?
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't make sense to me. Also, I
Speaker 2: would have liked for the voice not to be disguised,
Speaker 2: and I need to see the screenshots of all the
Speaker 2: women that receive these dms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to see all these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are they coming from?
Speaker 3: Even the account name was because.
Speaker 2: All the people that watch are gonna blow that account up.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Something and somebody, you know, like, listen, we know how
Speaker 2: these we know how the Bravo versus. Yeah, is it
Speaker 2: better than the FB?
Speaker 3: I mean it's great, it's great, but also why is
Speaker 3: it blurred?
Speaker 2: I don't like that. The Yeah, if you got information
Speaker 2: and you want to come out, come on out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you got to do yeah, you're right,
Speaker 3: you got to do it the way kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiki came on. This is it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean we didn't love it.
Speaker 2: Well, I have respect for that, Yeah, as opposed to this,
Speaker 2: which could be anything and everything. And now we're left
Speaker 2: as an audience only pointing to Slade and Gretchen. Who
Speaker 2: is this person?
Speaker 3: Who is this person? And also, if you're going to
Speaker 3: leak information to somebody else to share, it should be
Speaker 3: interesting stuff. Yeah, not just Hey they you know this
Speaker 3: is what they went to lunch and coast to Mesa.
Speaker 3: Anybody and their mother could that.
Speaker 2: Could be anybody. Yeah, I mean, or when Tamra quit
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. There was something about that, the quitting.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I'm not sure that it's a
Speaker 3: big surprise when that Tamar quit, because I mean she
Speaker 3: posted about it in real time. Yes, so yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know is that considered leaking if you post in
Speaker 3: real time?
Speaker 2: I think it's considered broadcasting. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: What do you feel about all of this?
Speaker 3: I feel like the reunion is going to be ugly. Ugly, yeah,
Speaker 3: because there's so much. I mean, I was even watching
Speaker 3: something with Bryce. Yeah, so Gina's talking to Bryce. She's
Speaker 3: saying the reason why they're having such issues with Katie
Speaker 3: is because Katie never tried to be a friend.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was Emily. I'm sorry, Emily. It was
Speaker 2: Emily on this interview that said the reason they didn't
Speaker 2: they had issues with Katie she never tried to be
Speaker 2: friends with women. She wanted to be friends with bloggers
Speaker 2: and whatever.
Speaker 3: But this is the first I've heard that. You would
Speaker 3: think somebody who was on a show and they were
Speaker 3: not being nice to you or you didn't feel like
Speaker 3: they wanted to be your friend, they would say, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, what, make an effort with us? You're never
Speaker 3: making an effort.
Speaker 2: But how do you know? It wasn't said and they
Speaker 2: just wasn't shown.
Speaker 3: I feel like they were really needing things to be
Speaker 3: shown earlier on. And if that was said, I feel
Speaker 3: like it would have been.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but maybe Emily speaking in hindsight and saying,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean when you look back at it,
Speaker 2: she never really tried to be friends with us. She
Speaker 2: only tried to befriend outside sources or bloggers. What else
Speaker 2: can we call these people? Can call them something else
Speaker 2: besides bloggers?
Speaker 3: What? I hate that word?
Speaker 2: Can someone give us a new word?
Speaker 1: Just like?
Speaker 2: What do we call them? Content creators? Let's let's call
Speaker 2: them that? Like you're trying to be friends with content
Speaker 2: creators that run accounts and you know, instead of forging
Speaker 2: relationships with us, which makes us very distrustful of you, Katie.
Speaker 3: But maybe they weren't very welcoming.
Speaker 2: Well who is? Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna go
Speaker 2: with that. Like we all know the game and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you're gonna think I'm a lovely person this year?
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite reunion? Look?
Speaker 2: Well, by this, I can't really tell I know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but all the silhouettes look good. All the
Speaker 2: girls look nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all look They all look good.
Speaker 2: Gina, Jina look great.
Speaker 3: Gina looks amazing up here on the top.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that looks nice on her.
Speaker 3: She looked so good. Is this Gretchen looks like your
Speaker 3: favorite Toddlers and tiaras.
Speaker 2: But I mean the silhouette is right.
Speaker 3: I think, how can the selwod not be right?
Speaker 2: I know she's very thin and long. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: everybody looks like themselves.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are doing my post with the
Speaker 3: one arm.
Speaker 2: You know, your pose is legendary. Hey, how much fun
Speaker 2: did we have the other night?
Speaker 3: It didn't I know, we we had so much fun
Speaker 3: at dinner. We went to dinner me Erica, Renna and
Speaker 3: Kyle and it was so fun.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you got out.
Speaker 3: I know. It was one of my like only dinners.
Speaker 3: I very rarely go out like past three pm.
Speaker 2: So we got you out and we had a good time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went out. We had fun. We laughed, no
Speaker 3: one cried, no fighting.
Speaker 2: We had no fighting, and I think we just laughed
Speaker 2: at each other. Yeah, and the ridiculousness of our lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we That's when I told Renda that I'm
Speaker 3: slowly but surely my hair is morphing into hers.
Speaker 2: Well, you could have a legendary look.
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to steal her look. Really, I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm a couple months out from being able
Speaker 3: to pull off the Renna.
Speaker 2: The shag, the Sally Hirschburger shag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to zip over to Sally Hirshberger get her.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, but it was so fun. All right,
Speaker 3: thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds
Speaker 3: in the Ruck. We'll be back next week to recap
Speaker 3: the reunion.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I'm me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be good. All right, bye guys,