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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the

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Speaker 1: Rough with myself Teddy mellon Camp.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Erica Jane. Hello, miss Teddy Mellencamp.

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Speaker 3: Hi, how's it going. It's going, it's going, it's going.

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Speaker 2: My do you get allergies? I do, okay, so they

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Speaker 2: affect my eyes more than anything. So I had like

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Speaker 2: the hardest time today. And I also I also ate

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Speaker 2: Chinese food yesterday and I think I like drownded in

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Speaker 2: soy sauce. So like my.

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Speaker 3: Eyes, everything feels puffy.

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Speaker 2: Everything feels puffy and yucky. But I'm here, I'm excited

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Speaker 2: about it. So I want to jump right into this

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Speaker 2: because I was kind of blown away by this episode.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 2: I was too and as snoozy and as you know,

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Speaker 2: we thought I thought we thought last week was.

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Speaker 3: This was not No, this was not snoozy all this was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to need your help on a lot

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Speaker 2: of this because I have some thoughts and some questions

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Speaker 2: and maybe you can help me clarify and then just

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Speaker 2: some ideas. I don't I don't really know what to

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to start off by saying I don't

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Speaker 2: really know where what I'm believing at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I feel too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's.

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Speaker 3: Talk reunion looks after.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do reunion looks after.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll do her. But the episode starts out,

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Speaker 3: Slade asks Gretcha and how she's feeling. Gretchen and says

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Speaker 3: she had a good cry and is mentally exhausted fighting

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Speaker 3: the same person who will never take accountability.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's both of you.

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Speaker 3: But isn't Yeah, I was going to say, isn't Gretchen

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Speaker 3: the one who kept bringing up the fight this season?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying it's both she and Tamera back and forth,

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Speaker 2: So it's both of them. It's not just you know,

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Speaker 2: Gretchen one sided. And I can understand. You know, you

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Speaker 2: had a good cry and I mentally exhausted from watching them,

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Speaker 2: so you know what I mean. So I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: she's tired too. Yeah, does she do her own blowouts?

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Speaker 2: Because it's always good.

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Speaker 3: I want to know.

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Speaker 2: I want to know because that front bang is like

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Speaker 2: it's all away, it's banging and it's not. I I

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Speaker 2: just I need to know, Gretchen, are you blowing out

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Speaker 2: your own hair? But you know, calling Slade and I

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Speaker 2: get it, you know, but I'm exhausted to girl. But

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Speaker 2: your bangs are Your bangs are alive.

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Speaker 3: Your bangs are wide away. My dad used to call

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Speaker 3: wide awag. My dad, you know, remember back in like

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Speaker 3: the eighties when people would do their bangs and they

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Speaker 3: would like, oh, yes, stick straight up. Yes, he used

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Speaker 3: to call it scared hair.

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Speaker 2: He's right. And you know who did it the best

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Speaker 2: was Bon Jovi. And I think I may have some

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Speaker 2: scared hair out there too, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be looking around off. Yeah, you know, I am.

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Speaker 2: Emily cries to Gina about how she feels horrible, like

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Speaker 2: a horrible mom being in Amster damn while Shane is

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Speaker 2: dealing with the kids at home, and especially because Shane

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Speaker 2: lost it on Luke.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean this is bound to happen.

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Speaker 2: It is bound to happen. And also, you know, she's

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Speaker 2: not the This happens to all kinds of parents, every

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Speaker 2: every parent in the world. They're not there when you know,

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Speaker 2: something happens and the other parent is there alone, And

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Speaker 2: this is very par for the course for parenting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have these things that come up,

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Speaker 3: and especially I feel like they come up more when

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Speaker 3: one parent is out of town, always, always, always, because

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Speaker 3: then I like, I remember when f I used to

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh shit, this is happening. Yep, you know,

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Speaker 3: and then you feel even worse because you're not there

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Speaker 3: and you feel like there's nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 2: Well there, Yeah you have to wait till you get

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Speaker 2: home or get on the phone and yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: you know, and you're doing this show in Amsterdam and

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Speaker 2: I know that Luke. They're very concerned about Luke. I

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Speaker 2: get it. I get it why Emily feels this way.

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Speaker 2: Gretchen and Tamor go on the swing together, which looked

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm okay, I feel like throw each other

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Speaker 3: I know, I feel like Emily is working overtime trying

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Speaker 3: to get these two to reconcile. I have to give

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Speaker 3: it to her for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that she's trying.

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Speaker 2: She's trying real hard.

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Speaker 3: She's trying real hard.

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Speaker 2: Real hard.

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Speaker 3: But while they're on the swing together, I was wondering.

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Speaker 3: I was like, so this is knowing what we know now?

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Speaker 3: Like after finishing the episode, I find this swing forced.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I knew it. I know you so well, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: It was odd?

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Speaker 3: It was odd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like either we're mad or we're mad.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah where they're mad or not mad.

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Speaker 2: I just know that I wouldn't be doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you'd be doing it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be doing it either. Gina, Heather,

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Speaker 2: and Shannon takes shrooms to go to an indoor maze.

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Speaker 2: Gina says she felt bad for Gretchen the night before.

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Speaker 2: While Gina and Heather are Tate are talking, Shannon, here's

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Speaker 2: the Real Housewife's song, and no one else hears it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: have you ever taken shrooms?

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Speaker 3: I haven't, but I would be scared to take it

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Speaker 3: on camera.

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Speaker 2: Right because you don't know what could come out? Yes,

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Speaker 2: but I guess like I like shrooms. I think they're

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Speaker 2: really This is gonna sound crazy, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't care. I think they're very therapeutic, you know, for

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Speaker 2: whatever it's worth. And I enjoyed that. I like it

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Speaker 2: that Heather let's you know. I like it that Heather

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Speaker 2: does this and Gina and Shannon and they're all good sports.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fun. I liked the maize. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was good art. I loved it that they showed

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Speaker 2: themselves and Shannon hearing the Real Housewives songs. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: I've heard of seeing some shit on shrooms that were

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Speaker 2: you know, it's certainly not a Housewives.

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing it right now just because we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of ominous too. It's like, this is Halloween.

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Speaker 2: This is I don't know why it reminds me of that,

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Speaker 2: but it does. Jack Skellington, Uh, But I love the

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Speaker 2: fact that they took streams and went to an indoor maze.

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Speaker 2: This is something I would do. And they're all having

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Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, they're having fun together. I did notice that

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Speaker 3: they do make a point to always show when Shannon

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Speaker 2: Wow, that got by me.

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Speaker 3: But yes, the other two girls are sitting. They showed that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right. So she's still I don't know if

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Speaker 2: i'd be drinking on the shrooms. Maybe that's why she

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Speaker 2: heard the Housewives you know song. But yeah. Gretchen says

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Speaker 2: she's lost a lot of people in her life to cancer,

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Speaker 2: and she was hoping Tamara would feel bad for her

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Speaker 2: after dealing with Teddy. I just say something. I hate

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Speaker 2: it when you're brought up in this shit. I just

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Speaker 3: I just don't this moment, I did feel like Tamra

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Speaker 3: for you and your friend, yeah who passed away.

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Speaker 2: I like it when they put the gard yeah, I

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Speaker 2: like it when they put the guard down.

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Speaker 3: And then I didn't really expect from my cancer to

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Speaker 3: bring tam and Gretchen together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just I don't know. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: I don't like it when you're mentioned like that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it rubs me. I don't know, I feel

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Also, they kind of like pause before they say my

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Speaker 3: because of what was going on with Teddy.

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Speaker 2: Right I know, like they do they well listen, it's

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Speaker 2: a sensitive you're a sensitive subject, rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: But either way, then Tamra suggests signing a friendship contract

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Speaker 3: with question there's a Slade memorandum this they pull up

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Speaker 3: on chatchebt or was it.

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Speaker 2: It has to be it has to be a chat

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Speaker 2: GPT contract, which means it's null and void.

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Speaker 3: Tamra has to agree not to not mention Slade's finances, career.

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Speaker 2: Or existence that was kind of amazing or existence.

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Speaker 3: I want to have a contract that says, don't mention

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Speaker 3: my existence.

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Speaker 2: Don't mention my existence. Shouldn't they have signed the contract?

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Speaker 2: As a viewer, I would have appreciated it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would have appreciated the no existence and

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Speaker 2: the you know, you know how I feel about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Then Tamar tells Gina that she knows s Gretching

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Speaker 3: is not a good person. Gina wants Scretching to make

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Speaker 3: Tamar asked Gina to not bring it up tonight. Save

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Speaker 3: it for the last night.

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Speaker 2: Girl, Oh my god, to anybody that's ever been close

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Speaker 2: to their ship, you know, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Bring it up more than.

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Speaker 2: Bring it up tomorrow night before we go home, before

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Speaker 2: we all fly home.

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Speaker 3: Right, and she can take her own sprinter van.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That kicked out with her fur wrap whatever.

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Speaker 2: And the bang was still good. Though the bang was

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Speaker 2: still bang was still thing. Is she doing that blowout herself?

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Speaker 2: I'm so I think I think she does it herself.

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Speaker 2: But it's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's got that at going.

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Speaker 2: Whatever she's got going. Let me know, it doesn't move,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't move. It's very you know, and like I

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Speaker 2: get criticized for my shit, but it's very Toddlers and Tiras,

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Speaker 2: which was one of my favorite shows. I love Going

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Speaker 2: to Cancel me if you want. I love that fucking show.

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Speaker 2: It was so great just because it was so ridiculous. Uh,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like, yeah, like she's giving me that full.

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Speaker 3: On Yeah, she's giving she's giving pageant. Mm hmm mm

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Speaker 2: Love a pageant, Love a pageant, Love a pageant.

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Speaker 3: Then Emily goes with Heather to spread her dad's ashes.

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Speaker 3: They meet the current homeowner who lives in Heather's parents

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Speaker 3: old home to go in.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was lovely and how beautiful was that home?

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Speaker 3: That was a beautiful I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: Like in the courtyard and it was gorgeous. So Heather

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Speaker 2: like wow, and the man was so nice like would

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Speaker 2: you like to come inside and film?

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Speaker 3: And I actually believe it, Like I don't think that

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Speaker 3: was set up prior.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. And I think that

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Speaker 2: it was really nice and he that was really kind

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Speaker 2: of him. So whoever you are, mister dutch Man, that

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Speaker 2: was really cool and I'm glad that they got to.

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Speaker 3: Go in, I know, and you could feel it. And

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Speaker 3: then she's like, of course, the one time my mom

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Speaker 2: Right, I know, right, the one time? What that's the

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Speaker 2: way it goes. And it was besha, Heather, It was

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I thought the bike riding was very real.

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Speaker 2: Season, Yeah it didn't.

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Speaker 3: One would think that you would be more cautious about

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Speaker 2: Yes, but no, I mean, who better than to make

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Speaker 2: I think Shannon like wobbling like that. Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well she yeah, because she said Ryan, what

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right colorful translation up, Yeah, as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so has a colorful past. Jen says she appreciates

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Speaker 2: Oh very much so, yeah, very much. So she's stressed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, she says her ex got it

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Speaker 2: No, I don't want any of that.

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Speaker 3: So there's got to be something that we're missing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like when everybody was that supportive of Tama. See

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Speaker 2: No, my mind is I'm actually looking back. Yeah, my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they weren't that supportive of her.

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Speaker 2: Well, she thanks them for being there and calls out

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just reaching. I'm just reaching.

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Speaker 3: Then we you know, we know that Tarma originally had

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Speaker 2: Out there for years, quantified years.

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Speaker 3: Somebody actually tweeted me the thread after we discussed with iHeart,

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Speaker 2: Oh, you guys chose not to talk Yeah, we chose

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I mean over a year ago. I saw

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Speaker 2: Gretchen denies it. She thinks she is scrolling quickly and

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Speaker 2: What's your first instinct when Gretchen denies it and says

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Speaker 3: I've called bs. Youre following these accounts.

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Speaker 3: What we do know is the Instagram that they did

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Speaker 2: That's really strong. Yeah, that is that is not true.

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Speaker 2: That. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: my friends.

441
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, because it's because I followed that

442
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 3: to me.

443
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: But I also, I mean, does she really feel that way?

444
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, she's claiming she doesn't because she had. She's kind

445
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: of silent when they confront her about it.

446
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was. I and you know, Emily brought up

447
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: like if somebody had said this about me and it

448
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: was a liar, I would have come across the table, which.

449
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: Is I have.

450
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: So I agree with Emily. She was taking it incredible,

451
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: and I thought, is her xenax kicking it? I'm not

452
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: saying that she's on xenax, but I am. That's how

453
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: I act. So she was remarkably calm in the middle

454
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: of this accusation, which I don't know. I mean, I

455
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: and you could tell it broke Heather's heart.

456
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean Heather's heart.

457
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, No, she had the absolutely correct reaction

458
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 2: as someone who has children in the LGBTQ plus community

459
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: and had just done the thing for the Trevor Project.

460
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like, this is very these are her kids,

461
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: and yes, right of course, and she's very concerned for

462
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: their safety and I get it. So she had the

463
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: appropriate reaction.

464
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: But I thought Gretchen getting up and calling Slade was bad.

465
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: In the middle of it, I was like, Okay, what

466
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: is going to be the repercussions of this?

467
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: Well, was it Shannon that called her out on that?

468
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: It was Jen?

469
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 2: That's right. Good good for you, Jen. She was right.

470
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I gave it to Shannon, but good for you, Jen,

471
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: because you were right. She shouldn't be calling Slade right now.

472
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was not the time. That's not the time

473
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: to do this, because then it all makes everything else

474
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: to come feel like bs.

475
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: It makes it look like conspiracy. And they were going

476
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: to hit back, and like when Slade says I'm gonna

477
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: get that bitch or whatever or calls Tamera a bitch

478
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: or something.

479
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: Like that, yeah, like we're going to get her, and

480
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: then we see.

481
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: Like and then we see the anonymous voice later on

482
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: I Yeah, this is where I start to get very

483
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: this is Look.

484
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: It really irritated me, and like, I didn't think I'm

485
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: surprised that they would show that last scene.

486
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Are you surprised because everything else is always so out

487
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: in the open, Like if you have a screenshot, show

488
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: the screenshot if you have if you're like, let's take

489
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: in the case of Kiki Monique, who you know Katie

490
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: was talking to. Kiki showed up, yeah at least faced

491
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: and said no. So if the anonymous person is having

492
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: their voice disguised, why that bothered me?

493
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: And where is this person now?

494
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: And where are these accounts and what is happening? Because

495
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: it what that does is it just it creates this

496
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: this weird like I don't trust anybody now, this is

497
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: just all weird. I find weird, isn't the right?

498
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: I find it odd that they go on this trip

499
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: to Amsterdam, this is released about Gretchen, Gretchen, and then

500
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: they come back and then all of a sudden they

501
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: two weeks after you know, we're going to get her,

502
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: and then this all happens, right, and now we see

503
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 3: in the trailer that Gretchen says I spent thousands of dollars.

504
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: She said that, Yeah, I spent thousands of dollars trying

505
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: to find out who this was. The other thing is

506
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: and someone pointed out to me, I'm not going to

507
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: say who. Someone pointed out to me there were no

508
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: leaks throughout the season from Tamera. Yeah, where are the

509
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: leaks or if there were, we don't know about them yet,

510
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: not saying, but I'm just saying we know right now,

511
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: from what we know right now, there were no leaks

512
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: from Tamera.

513
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and any of that stuff that was shared, nothing

514
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: was interesting. Like it was like Teddy and Erica went

515
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: to lunch.

516
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: Okay, you no, like nothing nothing, No bombs were being dropped. Yeah,

517
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: well the biblical thing, like when Jen says, is it

518
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: something biblical? I Heather's reaction, Yeah, I mean not that.

519
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: I was just I don't think I've ever seen Heather.

520
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: It was she angry, and I'm like, I mean I

521
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: think she was angry, upset. She was upset, clearly, But

522
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: is it something biblical? What does that mean?

523
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: Like?

524
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: What you what is Jen getting at there?

525
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: Like?

526
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: Is this I think she's the Bible in your faith?

527
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: Is this how you feel?

528
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think she was trying to say is it

529
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: because of you know, your faith?

530
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: Your faith, I think, I mean which obviously, Jen, I

531
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: don't want to speak for you because whatever, But I'm

532
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: just trying to understand what I saw, and I think

533
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: Gretchen's response was no, right now.

534
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: Greshian's response was something like, I had a drag brunch

535
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: at my house once.

536
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a drag brunch.

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's true.

538
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: I had a drag brunch. What are you talking about?

539
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Drag queens entertaining in my house. We have mimosas, we

540
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: have bottomless mimosas. I mean, my god, I.

541
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: Can never do such a thing.

542
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I could never do such a thing. I

543
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: had a drag brunch, for Christ's sake, my god, that

544
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: you're right about that, the drag brunch.

545
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. What is going on?

546
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: What are we doing with our lives?

547
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was like, I spit up my pedialyte.

548
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: I was, But I had a drag brunch, so everything's okay.

549
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: Don't remember seventeen years ago when I went.

550
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 2: To a drag brunch. I had a drag brunch.

551
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

552
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: I had a drag brunch? My god, never in my life.

553
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: I really need to reassess with.

554
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: I needed a good laugh.

555
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: Dragon, I had a drag brunch.

556
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: This is impossible.

557
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: This is.

558
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: I lashed back to Gretchen eighty six years ago, right

559
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: to drag run.

560
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: She does like to hold onto things.

561
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: She had a good glow. Then still she had a

562
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: good blow too.

563
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: My gosh, she was kind of a pioneered drug brunches.

564
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Maybe she has a point. Maybe she has a point.

565
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I feel when she.

566
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: Chok on it timeline of this drag.

567
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: Brunch, it definitely was over ten years ago with our lives.

568
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't knows.

569
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: Well that makes it all okay? Then well, clearly sorry.

570
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: You had a drag brunch.

571
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: Heather's like, oh I forgot about that drag brunch. Okay,

572
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: we're going back to back to this. That doesn't delete

573
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: all of your tweets, And like, what do you say?

574
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, what is she trying to say?

575
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what is.

576
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Drag brunch?

577
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: But there's no okay, because there's no way it's as

578
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: shocked as Gretchen seemed. There's absolutely no way Gretchen and

579
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: Slade didn't know these were out there.

580
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: If that's why she was ready with the drag brunch

581
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: that she was prepared. She's like, you know what when

582
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: she says this, you say drag brunch.

583
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

584
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: You're not a member of You're you said all these things,

585
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: you like them. What are you talking about at a

586
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: drag brunch? Like, oh my god.

587
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: H Well, Then, as Gretchen and Heather start to have

588
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: more of a conversation and Heather asked her to prove

589
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: it's not true, that's when this is the part that's weird.

590
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: This is when Heather Gretchen goes to call Slade to

591
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: tell him, out of all moments, to tell him this

592
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: is the time you choose.

593
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: But she's on the phone, she's on the FaceTime with

594
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: him all the time.

595
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: Well then he says, and I quote Slade's says, this

596
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: is coming from that lying bitch who made comments about

597
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: me looking gay and sandals. Those were terrible sandals.

598
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Those were terrible. That's a straight man.

599
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're called mandals.

600
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: They're called awful.

601
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but oh my god, you I kind of feel like,

602
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt it in this moment. I'm like,

603
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: the retaliation from this is going to.

604
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Be well, this is just to here we go, we're

605
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: whipping the we're whipping it back up again. Yeah, and

606
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: you know, but I had to think, you know, like

607
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: Gretchen coming back on the show, knowing that those things

608
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: were out there, you do realize that all of this

609
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: is coming, which is why I think she was prepared

610
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: with the drag brunch comment from nineteen thousand years ago.

611
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: And you know this lying bitch. Oh God, please don't

612
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: call women the.

613
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: I just I don't like it.

614
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't like.

615
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: That.

616
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Did you go back and watch it?

617
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I went back and watched it. We went back

618
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: and watched. So back in the day when we were on,

619
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: when I was on Beverly Hills, Erica is still on.

620
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: But back in the day when we were on, we

621
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: had like an incident with Aaron.

622
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Who got arrested for domestic violence in court not too

623
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: long ago with Denise.

624
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: Yes, he what was he even mad at us about?

625
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: I think we were asking Denise questions again about I

626
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: don't know if the Brandy thing had come up yet

627
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: or not. I had a feeling it. Had it had,

628
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: you would know better because I've kind of blocked it out. Yeah,

629
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: But whatever it was, Oh, maybe it was because she

630
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: didn't want us to be around the kids, or she

631
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: would have never brought her kids, remember, to the to

632
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: Kyle's home, And I think this was kind of the

633
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: continuation of that. And I can see me say, He's like,

634
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: I'll you know, stop, you need to cut it out.

635
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: And he said something. I was like, do you want

636
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: to go there?

637
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: Like he's like do you want to go?

638
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: And like lean like leaned in and like like I

639
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: and I when I saw it, That's why I told

640
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 2: you go back and watch it because you can feel

641
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: it all over again.

642
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can feel and we felt uncomfortable in the moment.

643
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: In the moment, you can see us looking like are

644
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: you doing.

645
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because whatever we were fighting about wasn't that big

646
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: of a deal.

647
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: It was something like well, and then in our sit

648
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: downs because it was that COVID and was like the

649
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: last time I was at my house, you can see

650
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: me say, well, Denise can stand up for herself. She

651
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: got herself into this group. She can talk for herself.

652
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: We don't need Aaron there like getting in our face

653
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: over something that Denise said or did not say.

654
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: You know, I just I have all these visuals of

655
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: him always just there with like whatever brown drink he

656
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: was drinking all the day, the dark lickor yeah, the

657
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: dark lickor and just telling us that he could cure.

658
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Cancer cancer and threatening us at the same time. I mean,

659
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: it was really it.

660
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: I mean he was a real gem. I mean God, Okay,

661
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: so back.

662
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: To these gems, yep, back to these oranges. Jen tells

663
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: Gretchen that calling slave was the worst move she could

664
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: have made, and Gretchen cries, saying she didn't know why

665
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: they could do this to her. She says, they are

666
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: making her out to be something she is not. Look,

667
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: this is hard to watch, just because it's just hard

668
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 2: to watch. And you know, when you've been in these

669
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: dramatic sprinter van blowouts, you know, you know how it is.

670
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: And then in the car on the airport the next morning,

671
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: Gina says Gretchen does follow these accounts, but can't find

672
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: the posts she actually liked.

673
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: I have a feeling Gretchen might have stayed up late

674
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: that night. She had a lot of things to unlike.

675
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: But why wouldn't you have done that before you come

676
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: on the show. Why didn't Gina check the likes and

677
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: the accounts two weeks ago? Yeah, when told her. Why

678
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: didn't Tamra have it or why didn't Tamra screen shot it?

679
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: Or why didn't This is what I This is where

680
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: I think there is screenshots. Yeah, but I need them,

681
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: like I need to be the one that got them.

682
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to see them. But they were blurred out.

683
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, if that's what I was

684
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: going to do, I want them to I I personally

685
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: need to know that I did it.

686
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: I know if I was Gretchen, I'd be like, show me, right,

687
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 3: show me what you got. But did Gretchen ever even

688
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: say that. No, Gretchen never asked to see it because

689
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: she knew it exists.

690
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course she knows it exists.

691
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: Like, so why would she say to give me proof?

692
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: She doesn't want the proof because the proof is going

693
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: to hurt her.

694
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, isn't she saying that she did not do this?

695
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

696
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: Clearly, Heather says, Gretchen has always been kind to her

697
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: and would hate to ever accuse someone of something that's

698
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: not true. That's sounds very Heather, like, I get that,

699
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: and I agree. And then Jen says, Tarmah planted it

700
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: with Gina and it worked. I mean, yeah, but it

701
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: wasn't anything new, it was something that was gonna happen.

702
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: And they probably all knew already.

703
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, Gina says, all they do is bring up

704
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: shit on the internet to destroy each other.

705
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: She's right, that's what a lot of them do. And

706
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: that's what I mean across the board house. You can't

707
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: just say Orange County. I would say a lot of

708
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: people dig up stuff just to talk about.

709
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what these shows. I mean, The coffee Maker

710
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: and the Haitian. Mortician's not the Haitian. Are you reviewing

711
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: that show? Yeah, it's genius.

712
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: So good, it's genius.

713
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: I now need to watch that show. Yeah, it's probably

714
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: good for that, Like I now.

715
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: Need to watch You need to watch Miami like that. Yep,

716
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: you need to watch Salt Lake City too.

717
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: Guys. I do this job. I don't need any more

718
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: mental breakdowns. Like listen, I start to get like, I

719
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: start to feel a certain way when I watch this show.

720
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh God, here it comes. I'm anticipating the

721
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: fucking you know, the next move. I can just see

722
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: it coming.

723
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: You can feel it.

724
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: I can feel it coming.

725
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: Well, we love when it says after production wrapped, some

726
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: of the women receive dms from a person with information

727
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: about the show.

728
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: Which was not shown, which is not known to the public.

729
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: Gina got a DM about Tamor leaking details about the

730
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: stuff to bloggers and fan pages. They call a man

731
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: his voices disguise. He says stuff that did get filmed

732
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: during the season and was correct. The women are upset

733
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 3: with Tamor. They think she will hurt anyone in leak information. Okay,

734
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: So I'm a little bit confused by this. Why would

735
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: a random Instagram account all of a sudden decide to

736
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: contact the women after filming stopped and then agree to

737
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: be on a call but have their.

738
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: Voice disguise, And why would you reach out to several

739
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: of the women?

740
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know. This feels very like let's

741
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: deflect me, Like, okay, this is a perfect thing for

742
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: Gression and Slade to do.

743
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, because after production wrapped.

744
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, now they got their ducks.

745
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: So if you know all this stuff, how do you

746
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: know that you know it's gone bad and you need

747
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: to come after Tamra now, Yeah, Like why are you?

748
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't make sense to me. Also, I

749
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: would have liked for the voice not to be disguised,

750
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: and I need to see the screenshots of all the

751
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: women that receive these dms.

752
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to see all these messages.

753
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are they coming from?

754
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: Even the account name was because.

755
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: All the people that watch are gonna blow that account up.

756
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: I know.

757
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: Something and somebody, you know, like, listen, we know how

758
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: these we know how the Bravo versus. Yeah, is it

759
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: better than the FB?

760
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: I mean it's great, it's great, but also why is

761
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: it blurred?

762
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: I don't like that. The Yeah, if you got information

763
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: and you want to come out, come on out.

764
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you got to do yeah, you're right,

765
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: you got to do it the way kid.

766
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiki came on. This is it is what it is.

767
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: I mean we didn't love it.

768
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Well, I have respect for that, Yeah, as opposed to this,

769
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: which could be anything and everything. And now we're left

770
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: as an audience only pointing to Slade and Gretchen. Who

771
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: is this person?

772
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: Who is this person? And also, if you're going to

773
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: leak information to somebody else to share, it should be

774
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: interesting stuff. Yeah, not just Hey they you know this

775
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: is what they went to lunch and coast to Mesa.

776
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: Anybody and their mother could that.

777
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: Could be anybody. Yeah, I mean, or when Tamra quit

778
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. There was something about that, the quitting.

779
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I'm not sure that it's a

780
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: big surprise when that Tamar quit, because I mean she

781
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: posted about it in real time. Yes, so yeah, I

782
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: don't know is that considered leaking if you post in

783
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: real time?

784
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: I think it's considered broadcasting. Yeah, so I don't know.

785
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: What do you feel about all of this?

786
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: I feel like the reunion is going to be ugly. Ugly, yeah,

787
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: because there's so much. I mean, I was even watching

788
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 3: something with Bryce. Yeah, so Gina's talking to Bryce. She's

789
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: saying the reason why they're having such issues with Katie

790
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: is because Katie never tried to be a friend.

791
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was Emily. I'm sorry, Emily. It was

792
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: Emily on this interview that said the reason they didn't

793
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: they had issues with Katie she never tried to be

794
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: friends with women. She wanted to be friends with bloggers

795
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: and whatever.

796
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 3: But this is the first I've heard that. You would

797
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: think somebody who was on a show and they were

798
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: not being nice to you or you didn't feel like

799
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: they wanted to be your friend, they would say, hey,

800
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: you know, what, make an effort with us? You're never

801
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: making an effort.

802
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: But how do you know? It wasn't said and they

803
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: just wasn't shown.

804
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: I feel like they were really needing things to be

805
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 3: shown earlier on. And if that was said, I feel

806
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: like it would have been.

807
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but maybe Emily speaking in hindsight and saying,

808
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean when you look back at it,

809
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: she never really tried to be friends with us. She

810
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: only tried to befriend outside sources or bloggers. What else

811
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: can we call these people? Can call them something else

812
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: besides bloggers?

813
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: What? I hate that word?

814
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Can someone give us a new word?

815
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: Just like?

816
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: What do we call them? Content creators? Let's let's call

817
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: them that? Like you're trying to be friends with content

818
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: creators that run accounts and you know, instead of forging

819
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: relationships with us, which makes us very distrustful of you, Katie.

820
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: But maybe they weren't very welcoming.

821
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: Well who is? Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna go

822
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: with that. Like we all know the game and I'm

823
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: sure you're gonna think I'm a lovely person this year?

824
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite reunion? Look?

825
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, by this, I can't really tell I know, I

826
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: don't know, but all the silhouettes look good. All the

827
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: girls look nice.

828
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all look They all look good.

829
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: Gina, Jina look great.

830
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: Gina looks amazing up here on the top.

831
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Right.

832
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that looks nice on her.

833
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: She looked so good. Is this Gretchen looks like your

834
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: favorite Toddlers and tiaras.

835
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: But I mean the silhouette is right.

836
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: I think, how can the selwod not be right?

837
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: I know she's very thin and long. Yeah, I mean

838
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: everybody looks like themselves.

839
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: A lot of them are doing my post with the

840
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: one arm.

841
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: You know, your pose is legendary. Hey, how much fun

842
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: did we have the other night?

843
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: It didn't I know, we we had so much fun

844
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: at dinner. We went to dinner me Erica, Renna and

845
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: Kyle and it was so fun.

846
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you got out.

847
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: I know. It was one of my like only dinners.

848
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: I very rarely go out like past three pm.

849
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: So we got you out and we had a good time.

850
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went out. We had fun. We laughed, no

851
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 3: one cried, no fighting.

852
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: We had no fighting, and I think we just laughed

853
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: at each other. Yeah, and the ridiculousness of our lives.

854
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we That's when I told Renda that I'm

855
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 3: slowly but surely my hair is morphing into hers.

856
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Well, you could have a legendary look.

857
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to steal her look. Really, I

858
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: feel like I'm a couple months out from being able

859
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: to pull off the Renna.

860
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: The shag, the Sally Hirschburger shag.

861
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to zip over to Sally Hirshberger get her.

862
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: I love it.

863
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, but it was so fun. All right,

864
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: thanks guys for tuning in to another episode of Diamonds

865
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: in the Ruck. We'll be back next week to recap

866
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: the reunion.

867
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm excited.

868
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm me too.

869
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be good. All right, bye guys,