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Speaker 2: Which was that I was terrified as there would be

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Speaker 1: This is one of the day for our country. It's

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Speaker 1: wonderful day for patriots.

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Speaker 3: Love constitution.

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Speaker 4: So my TikTok family. So I just had a very

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Speaker 4: difficult conversation with my daughters. One is crying and I

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Speaker 5: Dear listener, geig egdy them. This week has been quite

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Speaker 5: a moment that our country is still processing.

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Speaker 6: NBC News can now project that Donald Trump's he is

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Speaker 6: the winner of this race and returned to the White House,

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Speaker 6: is this country's forty seventh president.

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Speaker 7: One of the very important keys to Donald Trump's victory

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump will be President of the United States again.

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Speaker 5: This is the same candidate who began his run for

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Speaker 5: the White House by insulting Mexican immigrants in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 5: Trump used lies and hate speech to win over voters,

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Speaker 5: survived two assassination attempts, and will return to office as

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Speaker 5: larger support from Latinos and Latina voters than in twenty

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Speaker 5: Futuro Media have seen on the ground, this result is

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Speaker 5: not totally unexpected. For the past year, we've been bringing

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Speaker 5: you different stories as part of our special election coverage,

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Speaker 5: of course, that our community is not and has never

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Speaker 5: So today we're going to start off our show by

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Speaker 5: and then we're going to analyze just how we got here. Now,

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Speaker 5: while for many people, election day ended on a dark

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Speaker 5: note here in Harlem, in my community, it didn't start

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Speaker 5: that way. Well, it's five twenty eight and I just

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Speaker 5: and I didn't sleep well because, like many of you

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Speaker 8: And it's a beautiful day. Oh my gosh, it's beautiful

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Speaker 5: Okay, So pulling up to the precinct, which is actually

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Speaker 8: Are you excited about quoting? Today? Everybody up to vote

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Speaker 5: And now it's my turn to vote. We have just

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Speaker 5: So like you, dear listener, you were probably feeling excited,

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Speaker 5: Latino Usa, I'm Mariao Hosa Today, a special episode on

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Speaker 5: this week's historic election in collaboration with Futuro Media's In

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Speaker 5: the Thick podcast, So Dear listener. Around the same time

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Speaker 5: On, Serio says, deportation destroys you psychologically. Then Setio's wife,

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Speaker 5: Maria says the hate from Trump only makes her stronger.

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Speaker 5: Maria says that strength is in our dna. We learn

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Speaker 5: As election day unfolds. Another place on people's minds is

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Speaker 5: If Florida voters vote for Amendment four, they would overturn

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Speaker 3: I would never begrudge anyone for withholding their vote for

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Speaker 5: During the primaries, Michigan voters sent a strong message to

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Speaker 7: My name is Roe Roman. I'm a Georgia state representative,

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Speaker 5: Representative Roman is the first Palestinian to ever be elected

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Speaker 7: I want to be clear things are not good now,

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Speaker 7: We're going to keep pressuring our elected officials. For me,

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Speaker 5: But in this election, a group that has been central

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Speaker 10: What's at stake is a full throttle backwards motion. We'll

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Speaker 5: So to be clear, for Nanda, you're one hundred percent

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Speaker 10: You like it or not.

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Speaker 8: It's about ten o'clock.

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Speaker 11: We've got quite a few battlegrounds still pending tonight.

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Speaker 5: So I'm home now and I'm getting into bed with

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Speaker 8: Scared and I just don't want to live in fear.

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Speaker 5: Coming up on Latino USA, a much needed roundtable conversation

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Speaker 8: We're gonna look at Trump's victory and how he got here.

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Speaker 8: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 5: Gen, good to be here, Maria, and by Jamil Smith,

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Speaker 8: Welcome back to.

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Speaker 13: You, Jamil, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 8: And we're going to welcome.

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Speaker 5: Paula Ramo's journalist and author and one of my co

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Speaker 5: anchors at In the Thick, hey, Madia, And by now

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Speaker 5: everybody knows that Donald Trump has been declared the winner.

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Speaker 5: He surpassed the two hundred and seventy electoral votes needed.

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Speaker 5: He's becoming the first US president with a felony conviction

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Speaker 5: But let's start the way we always start our politics conversations,

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Speaker 8: How you're feeling.

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Speaker 5: This is a challenging question, but we're going to start

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Speaker 5: with you, Jene Gomas. What's your temperature check?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 11: I'm feeling that this is a profoundly dark and depressing moment,

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Speaker 11: it feels very hard to love this country today. But

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Speaker 11: it's exactly what the demagogues don't want. They don't want

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Speaker 8: Also, we know, Gene, that you like to dance and

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Speaker 5: That you'll be doing I'm going to be doing a lot.

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Speaker 5: You'll be doing that a lot. Jamille, what's your temperature check?

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Speaker 1: Hot?

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Speaker 13: Very hot? I would say, both in the terms of

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Speaker 13: I'm also looking for ways to focus this emotion into

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Speaker 8: Paula, what's your temperature check?

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Speaker 14: Loug Maria I spent watching the results with several mixed

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Speaker 5: For me, I'm feeling a lot of responsibility in the

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Speaker 5: I'm not blindsided because our reporting was basically pointing to this.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about some of the results.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Trump managed to swing back states that Biden had won

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Speaker 8: Telling you to believe. Jamille, We're going to start with you.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're hearing that this could be explained by

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Speaker 13: Well, first, about Vice President Harris, I certainly think it

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Speaker 13: She's still trying to achieve the goals of his administration,

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Speaker 13: But I would say this maximizing America's potential as an

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Speaker 13: voters have soundly rejected. This is not twenty sixteen, This

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Speaker 5: And I got some of this sense from the year

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Speaker 5: We're talking about specifically the issues that Latinos were saying

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Speaker 5: I was in South Florida reporting on misinformation targeting Latino

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Speaker 8: What concerns you about that, well said some socialism.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I believe that Kamala Harris elected would lead to socialism.

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Speaker 8: I think so, but I tell you I'm not complete

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Speaker 5: It happened, actually, Jamille, I remember when I was reporting

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Speaker 8: The turn to really.

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Speaker 11: I think it was one of the main contributing factors

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Speaker 11: to the influence of people like Elon Musk in a selection.

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Speaker 11: I really do believe that these tech moguls have completely

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Speaker 11: destabilized our democracy and it's become such a challenge for

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Speaker 11: the media to fight back.

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Speaker 5: So, Baola, let's get into the impact of different voting groups,

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Speaker 5: because while it was white men and women that overwhelmingly

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Speaker 5: came out for Trump, the exit polls showed that Trump

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Speaker 5: did make those real gains with young voters, with Latino voters,

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Speaker 5: black voters. And when it comes to the Latino vote,

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Speaker 5: some voters said that they cast a vote for Trump

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Speaker 5: in order to protect democracy, while others said they saw

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Speaker 5: him as a threat to democracy. So tell us about

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Speaker 5: your reporting in terms of Latino's moving to the right.

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Speaker 5: How do we understand this Latino vote?

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Speaker 14: Well, look, I think the point right now as we're

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Speaker 14: sort of taking this in is to be very open

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Speaker 14: and be very curious and have no assumptions. And I

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Speaker 14: think what you said right now is the key.

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Speaker 1: We believed, we have believed that.

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Speaker 14: Someone like Donald Trump, with his anti immigrant rhetoric, would

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Speaker 14: sort of push away Latinos and immigrant families. But I

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Speaker 14: think if we've learned anything from this election, is that

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Speaker 14: even that assumption is wrong, right, because what we know

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Speaker 14: at this point is that there is a significant amount

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Speaker 14: of Latinos that were not insulted by Donald Trump's antimegrant rhetoric. Right,

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Speaker 14: that were not alarmed by his words saying that she

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Speaker 14: wanted mass deportations, and that in fact, perhaps perhaps they

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Speaker 14: see themselves more aligned with white America with this idea

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Speaker 14: of what it means to be American then they do

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Speaker 14: with their immigrant roots. And that is a harsh thing

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Speaker 14: and a hard reality to take in. But that is

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Speaker 14: something I think at this point we have to confront.

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Speaker 14: And by us, I don't just mean us as journalists,

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Speaker 14: I particularly also mean and I throw this back to

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Speaker 14: the Democratic Party that has to really recognize and understand

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Speaker 14: and listen with curiosity to what Latinos are saying, to

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Speaker 14: how we are evolving to this big difference that really

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Speaker 14: resonated with them, which is that Trump's US versus Them

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Speaker 14: game really really really worked.

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Speaker 5: You know, Paola, One of the things that we were

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Speaker 5: reporting is that Latinos were really connected to the issue

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Speaker 5: of the economy and President Biden and the notion that

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Speaker 5: President Trump, especially among Latinos and Latinas, is really held

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Speaker 5: up as the example of a great businessman, even though

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Speaker 5: there are six bankruptcies, right, So, how do we understand

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Speaker 5: how deeply connected to the issue of the economy Latino

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Speaker 5: voters felt. What would you say to the Democratic Party

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Speaker 5: in terms of their missing out the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 5: about the economy in a different way that might have

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Speaker 5: led to a different result.

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Speaker 14: I think for so long what Democrats were trying to

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Speaker 14: say is like, look, Republicans are trying to really paint

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Speaker 14: a negative picture of the economy. But look at the facts, right,

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Speaker 14: Wages are up, the economy is of Unemployment is down.

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Speaker 14: Inflation has been a persistent issue, but it has come down.

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Speaker 14: And I think they really, really really tried to push

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Speaker 14: that message. But I think what Donald Trump did was

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Speaker 14: simply sort of break through that noise in a very

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Speaker 14: simple way, with a very simple language that may be

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Speaker 14: hard to understand, but it just went like this, look,

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Speaker 14: I am just like you. This is what he told

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Speaker 14: a group of after Latinos in the Bronx a couple

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Speaker 14: of weeks ago. She walked into a hair salon and

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Speaker 14: he said, I am just like you. Just so wif

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Speaker 14: yo stas right. I am a businessman, but I can

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Speaker 14: help you guys because we all come from the same

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Speaker 14: same place. That is not true, that is not accurate,

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Speaker 14: but it is simple language that seems to have resonated.

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Speaker 14: And again it's like we're kind of staring at this

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Speaker 14: map that's full of contradictions. But I think what I

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Speaker 14: keep coming down to is the simplicity of his message, right,

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Speaker 14: the simplicity of his radical message broke through.

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Speaker 8: It worked, Jamille.

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Speaker 5: In the lead up to the election, there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of talk about black men moving to the right,

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Speaker 5: and in some key swing states, Trump did in fact

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Speaker 5: make gains. Wisconsin, for example, Trump got twenty one percent

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Speaker 5: of the black vote. That's compared to just eight percent

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. That's a pretty big jump. Of course,

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Speaker 5: the group overwhelming these still came out for Harris. But

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Speaker 5: what does all of this signal about the concerns of

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Speaker 5: the electorate and the Democratic Party's ability to connect with

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Speaker 5: their most important base, Black voters.

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Speaker 13: Well, I mentioned the word toxic earlier, and I think

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Speaker 13: that this is part of it. And speaking as a

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Speaker 13: black man, I feel that obviously I don't speak for

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Speaker 13: all of us, but I do think that there is

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Speaker 13: an element within black male communities, black male groups, where

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Speaker 13: we feel that we can't accept black women in leadership.

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Speaker 13: So I think that that is, let's just go to

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Speaker 13: the heart of it, that's part of it. Then we

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Speaker 13: have the fact that. Frankly, Trump appealed to a lot

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Speaker 13: of biases. And you know, we heard folks on black

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Speaker 13: radio talking about how well we don't want to have

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Speaker 13: Kamala pain for or a person in prison to get

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Speaker 13: a gender reassignments. Well, actually that was Trump's policy, but

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Speaker 13: he lied about in an ad, played it on every

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Speaker 13: football game for weeks, and lots of folks saw it

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Speaker 13: and bought it without doing any investigation for themselves or

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Speaker 13: any critical thinking. So this is not necessarily about Trump

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Speaker 13: holding a watch and swaying it and hypnotizing a bunch

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Speaker 13: of folks of color and getting them to vote for him. No,

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Speaker 13: it is about the fact that there is a lot

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Speaker 13: of folks who do not feel that this country serves

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Speaker 13: their interests, do not feel that politics work for them.

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Speaker 13: This is something that Trump feeds upon.

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Speaker 5: Baula, How do you see this notion of Latinos kind

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Speaker 5: of putting their eggs in the basket with Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: because he represents this image of what America is supposed

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Speaker 5: to be straight, white, wealthy man, businessman, etc. How does

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Speaker 5: this play into what happened?

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Speaker 14: I mean, isn't that an image that we've been sort

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Speaker 14: of taught to adore and romanticize in the fifteenth century.

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Speaker 14: It is a familiar image to us because that's precisely

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Speaker 14: what the Spanish colonizers did the moment that they walked

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Speaker 14: into Latin America. The institutionalized a cast system and gave

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Speaker 14: place to mestisake, creating the sort of permission structure within

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Speaker 14: our community to always draw a direct line to whiteness,

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Speaker 14: no matter who we are, no matter how dark our

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Speaker 14: skin color is, no matter our ethnic background. And we've

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Speaker 14: always had the sort of permission structure to draw that

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Speaker 14: direct line to whiteness. And in a United States where

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Speaker 14: we've sort of been taught to see race and these

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Speaker 14: binaries where Latinas have been criminalized, where immigrants have been criminalized,

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Speaker 14: where black people have been criminalized, in the reality of

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Speaker 14: this country, there are a group of Latinas that will

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Speaker 14: resort to that whiteness, that will resort to drawing that

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Speaker 14: direct line to whiteness. And I think that's one of

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Speaker 14: the things that Trump tapped into, right, He tapped into

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Speaker 14: that racial and ethnic grievance that it is not unfamiliar

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Speaker 14: to us, it is part of our history, and I

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Speaker 14: think that's part of unpacking this conversation right this, this

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Speaker 14: romantization with whiteness is part of what it means to

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Speaker 14: be us in this country.

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Speaker 5: Coming up on Latino USA, our conversation continues about what

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Speaker 5: the results mean for our democracy.

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Speaker 8: Stay with us.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Hey, dear listener, welcome back to our special election

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Speaker 5: episode that we're collaborating with our politics podcast in the Thick.

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Speaker 5: We're going to jump back into our roundtable now with

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Speaker 5: guest journalists Paula Ramos, Gin Guerrero and Jamille Smith. So

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Speaker 5: the other big issue that came up is abortion right

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Speaker 5: because abortion was on the ballot in ten states right

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Speaker 5: and measures to enshrine abortion rights actually passed in seven

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Speaker 5: of those states Maryland, Arizona, Colorado, New York, Nevada, and

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Speaker 5: even deep Red Misery and Montana, even though Trump wan

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Speaker 5: Missouri and Montana. And in our episode right now, we

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Speaker 5: did hear from two activists from Florida who were organizing

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Speaker 5: around the abortion initiative. That initiative lost by just two

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Speaker 5: percentage points. It didn't meet the sixty percent threshold needed

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Speaker 5: to pass the measure, which would have protected abortion access.

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Speaker 5: So this issue is a lot more nuanced than the

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Speaker 5: idea that support for abortion protections would equal support for

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Speaker 5: a Kamala Harris presidency. Our reporting on Latino, USA and

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Speaker 5: New Mexico really went into trying to explain these complexities.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to the tape. There's a conservative majority in

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. There is a real chance that the

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Speaker 5: anti abortion movement could get another outcome in their favor,

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Speaker 5: like what we saw with the reversal of Roe v.

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Speaker 15: Wade and Marklee Dixon. The Texas pastor was also quite

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Speaker 15: blunt about their final goal. When we asked him about this,

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Speaker 15: he said that the final goal for him and his

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Speaker 15: movement is the end of abortion in all fifty states,

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Speaker 15: and that the Comstock Act is for them a means

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Speaker 15: to that end. Maria Dixon also said that he's not

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Speaker 15: afraid of these ordinances ending up before the Supreme Court

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Speaker 15: of the United States.

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Speaker 5: So, Gene, we have seen wider support for abortion access,

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Speaker 5: but at the same time stricter laws on the local level,

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Speaker 5: and we're entering in an administration that has previously overturned ROV.

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Speaker 8: Wade.

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Speaker 5: What is all of this signaling about the future of

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Speaker 5: abortion and abortion writing in our cut, now.

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Speaker 11: What these abortion referendums, the success of these abortion referendums

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Speaker 11: shows is the influence of Latinas, of black women of

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Speaker 11: women of color, who have resoundingly shown that they will

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Speaker 11: fight for their bodily autonomy, that this is a value

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Speaker 11: that they have. And Latinas are overrepresented in these in

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Speaker 11: states that have abortion bands and are the most likely

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Speaker 11: to suffer the consequences.

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Speaker 1: They are the lowest paid group in.

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Speaker 11: The United States, so it's hard for them to find

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Speaker 11: the time and the resources to travel across state lines

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Speaker 11: for abortions, particularly if they are undocumented, because crossing state

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Speaker 11: lines could mean risking deportation. These are the voters who

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Speaker 11: are most you know, urgently need investment. They are the

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Speaker 11: ones who are going to make sure that people who

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Speaker 11: are being oppressed maintain control of their bodies. And yeah,

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Speaker 11: I think that's large actually what the success of these

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Speaker 11: abortion referendums is reflecting.

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Speaker 5: Now, Trump also made gains with young voters compared to

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Now, this is a group that tends to

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Speaker 5: lean more democratic. Recently in Wisconsin, we reported on a

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Speaker 5: young Latino who was leading the Republican Party of Milwaukee

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Speaker 5: County as a young Latino. Let's go to the tape

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Speaker 5: and here's some of that coverage on Latino USA.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what I have to do if I

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Speaker 2: have to run through a war zone. He's got my vote,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to try and get so many other

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Speaker 2: people who join me, friends, family, neighbors, doesn't matter, independence,

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Speaker 2: swing voters, Democrats, anyone and everyone to vote for that

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Speaker 2: man this time around.

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Speaker 5: Jane, what do we take away from the youth vote

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four and the election of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it reflects discontent largely.

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Speaker 11: It also reflects a failure to come up with an

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Speaker 11: effective counter narrative on immigration, understand immigration as an economic

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Speaker 11: issue that affects their economic prospects, their economic mobility. And

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Speaker 11: I think what Kamala Harris really failed to do was

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Speaker 11: to contrast herself effectively with Trump on his signature issue,

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Speaker 11: which was immigration. She framed it largely in terms of

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Speaker 11: border security, talking about her support for a border bill

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Speaker 11: that would have increased border patrols resources to try to

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Speaker 11: counter this idea that she's pro open borders, But she

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Speaker 11: really didn't counter his immigrant scapegoating his number one weapon,

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Speaker 11: which was to treat immigrants as the cause of all

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Speaker 11: of American's problems. She failed to frame immigration as an

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Speaker 11: economic issue that benefits America. These are people who have

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Speaker 11: built America's homes, highways, who harvest our crops, who take

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Speaker 11: hammer that home, and I think it was a result

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Speaker 5: So the question of Kamala Harris differentiating herself both from

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump very specifically on the issue of immigration, let's

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Speaker 5: say we're going to give you a totally different view

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Speaker 5: question of Gasa. Jamille, how much do you think the

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Speaker 5: issue of GASA impacted voter turnout and her loss the Democrats' loss.

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Speaker 13: I do think that certainly, the energy at the DNC

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Speaker 13: in August, as well as what we've seen since, tells

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Speaker 13: us that people want more than calls for Ceaspier. People

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Speaker 13: want more than calls for the war to end when

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Speaker 13: forty thousand people have been killed in retaliatory violence by Israel,

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Speaker 13: people who had nothing to do with what happened during

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Speaker 13: the Hamas attack on October seventh, and frankly, as much

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Speaker 13: as we can debate Vice President Harris's campaign missteps. This

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Speaker 13: begins and ends with Joe Biden to me and the

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Speaker 13: fact that he had years to court this demographic. He

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Speaker 13: had years to make sure that he was communicating effectively

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Speaker 13: with young people. He had years to make sure that

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Speaker 13: they're not relying upon black and brown electorates simply for

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Speaker 13: the fact that they are Democrats and those guys are

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Speaker 13: the racists over there. He could sail that, and it

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Speaker 13: may be true, but we cannot afford to have a

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Speaker 13: politics on the left where we spend most of our

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Speaker 13: time complimenting our own intelligence.

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Speaker 5: So I understand that politics and democracy it doesn't start

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Speaker 5: and it doesn't end with going to a polling booth,

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Speaker 5: and it doesn't start to end with an election date.

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Speaker 8: It's a continuous process.

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Speaker 5: And yes, acknowledging that right now, we're all just like,

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Speaker 5: oh my god, we need to just take a break

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Speaker 5: for a moment, which is important. We do have to

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Speaker 5: take care of ourselves. I need to get a good

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Speaker 5: night's sleep, example, like that would really help. But when

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Speaker 5: we take that rest, right we're obviously thinking about how

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Speaker 5: we move forward with our country. And so as we

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Speaker 5: wrap up, I'm wondering about la as you process the

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Speaker 5: state of our democracy. What are you carrying with you

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Speaker 5: as we move into this next phase in our country?

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Speaker 14: Look, right now, I'm I'm in this mindset of I'm

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Speaker 14: not blaming Trump, I'm not blaming the Democrats. I am

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Speaker 14: simply putting the weight on voters. Right, This is who

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Speaker 14: voters chose. The two stories that we could choose were

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Speaker 14: very clear. Now we're very different. This is the route

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Speaker 14: that we chose. And so I think I'm just sort

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Speaker 14: of taking that in and processing that that Americans chose

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Speaker 14: someone that is flirting with authoritarianism, that has told us

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Speaker 14: what he will do, that will try so hard to

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Speaker 14: implement these mass deportations, and that is what Americans want.

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Speaker 14: And on top of that, I think for so long,

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Speaker 14: so many of us sort of operated under this assumption

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Speaker 14: that Ladinas would be part of this huge and beautiful,

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Speaker 14: multi racial, multi ethic coalition that would lead this country

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Speaker 14: towards a more better version of democracy. And now I

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Speaker 14: think we're staring at a reality where perhaps it's going

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Speaker 14: to look very different. And I think, instead of being pessimistic,

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Speaker 14: I think what I learned from spending time with the

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Speaker 14: organizers on the ground here and the immigration activist is

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Speaker 14: that they are going to be fighting no matter what.

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Speaker 14: They have, the infrastructure, they have, the message, they have

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Speaker 14: the north star, And that was so clear after the

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Speaker 14: election results and came in right that these organizers know

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Speaker 14: how to fight for democracy in a way better way

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Speaker 14: than any political party does. And so that I think

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Speaker 14: is something to hold on to.

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Speaker 5: Gene, how do you see this state of our democracy today?

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Speaker 5: And what are you carrying with you as you move forward?

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Speaker 5: And where are you reaching to kind of get the

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Speaker 5: inspiration and the energy to pick yourself up and keep

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Speaker 5: on going.

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Speaker 11: So I think one of the main concerns I have

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Speaker 11: is around the silencing and self censorship that we're going

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Speaker 11: to see among journalists, particularly Latino journalists and journalists of

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Speaker 11: color who are from the communities that Trump plans to target.

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Speaker 11: I've been asking myself, you know, like, if you have

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Speaker 11: an undocumented family member, are you going to want to

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Speaker 11: potentially draw the ire of the Trump administration by reporting

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Speaker 11: the truth about his policies. So I think it's critical

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Speaker 11: moving forward for all newsrooms to be developing strategies to

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Speaker 11: fix that problem of under representation and to ensure that

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Speaker 11: they have plans in place to mitigate the risks that

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Speaker 11: these journalists will face under a second Trump term. Legal risks,

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Speaker 11: psychological risks, et cetera. And the psychological toll of this

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Speaker 11: kind of reporting is huge on people from these communities.

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Speaker 11: I can speak from experience as somebody who's received threats

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Speaker 11: of litigation from Trump's closest allies, and so I think

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Speaker 11: one of the the main priorities has to be making

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Speaker 11: sure that newsrooms across the country are creating an environment

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Speaker 11: where people of color feel safe and supported in telling

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Speaker 11: their stories and in continuing to speak truth to power,

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Speaker 11: because it's never.

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Speaker 1: Been more important than it is right now in this moment.

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Speaker 5: Jamille, take us out yes your comments on the state

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Speaker 5: of our democracy and what you're carrying with you, and

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Speaker 5: how you're finding the inspiration to pick it up and

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Speaker 5: keep on going.

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Speaker 13: I actually want to quote a little bit of what

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Speaker 13: Gene wrote for us at the Emancipator. You know that

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Speaker 13: in Trump's America, you're American only if you choose hate,

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Speaker 13: and we have to think about one another. I heard

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Speaker 13: way too many folks talking about their vote as if like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 13: this issue matters the most to me, and I want

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Speaker 13: this and I'm going through this, So I'm going to

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Speaker 13: vote this way. Votes are not about you. Voting is

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Speaker 13: about everyone but you. It's about everyone else. It's to

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Speaker 13: be the most altruistic thing that and it's also the

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Speaker 13: easiest thing to do as a citizen. You go there

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Speaker 13: and you vote with your own needs in mind. Sure,

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Speaker 13: but you have to vote thinking about everyone else. And frankly,

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Speaker 13: I don't think we're doing that as a country right now.

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Speaker 13: And that's not simply because of the result of this election.

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Speaker 13: I think that we have a demagogue who has allowed

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Speaker 13: people to embrace their worst selves in a public way

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Speaker 13: that they felt they were restricted by through you know,

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Speaker 13: when people were simply asking folks to be courteous and

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Speaker 13: respectful of cultural, gender difference, all the ways in which

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Speaker 13: we are different, Can you please just be respectful of that? No,

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Speaker 13: they you're asking me to be politically correct, you're asking

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Speaker 13: me to be woke, You're asking me to be all

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Speaker 13: these things, which actually just mean courteous and respectful. And

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Speaker 13: as long as we have to keep fighting for people

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Speaker 13: to just literally see us and respect us as fellow Americans,

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Speaker 13: this battle, the struggle will continue.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Jamil for joining me on this

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Speaker 5: edition of In the Thick and Let You Know USA.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Jamil, Thank you Jeane. Always a pleasure to

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Speaker 5: have you on the show. Thank you for joining me

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Speaker 5: on this episode.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, thank you so much, Baola.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for all of your reporting and for your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: And we'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 14: Thank you. I'll see you soon.

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Speaker 5: And may we get some rest, some nature, some good

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Speaker 5: healthy food, some family time, some laughing dancing.

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Speaker 13: Well meta a man.

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Speaker 5: Thanks everybody, dear listener, get ego, gety them. Yes, this

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Speaker 5: is absolutely a moment for a reset. One thing is

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Speaker 5: for certain. Our reporting is going to continue. We will

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Speaker 5: continue to bring you the stories and perspectives you might

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Speaker 5: our commitment to our profession, but also because of our

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Speaker 5: commitment to our democracy.

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Speaker 8: So we won't turn away from.

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Speaker 5: The most vulnerable, but we will hold the most powerful accountable.

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Speaker 5: That is our commitment to you, and we hope we

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