WEBVTT - Braves Come Up Short At Baffling Trade Deadline

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is episode four two six. It's a post deadline

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<v Speaker 1>edition of the podcast, and I'll warn you right now

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be a positive one. My name is Brad Rowland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, it's Monday, it is

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<v Speaker 1>after six pm Eastern time, and the Atlanta Braves did

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<v Speaker 1>not add a frontline starting picture. How are you my friend? Hello, Brad.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've done a lot of podcasts over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the most frustrated I have ever been

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<v Speaker 2>recording a podcast was probably after the NLDS a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago in Philadelphia. You may may remember they sent

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce Elder out to the Wolves. They left Bryce Elder

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<v Speaker 2>out to the Wolves. They lost Game three, the season

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<v Speaker 2>was over about twenty four hours later. I cannot recall

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<v Speaker 2>a moment of frustration at that level as where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at right now, to not add an impact starting pitcher

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<v Speaker 2>when you have known it is a massive hole in

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<v Speaker 2>your roster. For this isn't a new problem. This didn't

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like the Braves lost two starters over the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend and they've had to scramble and try to fill it.

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<v Speaker 2>They have known about this four months, going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the offseason. They knew this was a problem with the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not get it done. This is an unquestionable

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<v Speaker 2>failure for alex Entthopolis in the front office. Just incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>frustrated right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and look, we've teased this a few times on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. We might have new listeners today, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>your first time joining us, will probably be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more ranty than usual, So just know that going in.

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<v Speaker 1>But also we've been saying this for weeks, and in

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<v Speaker 1>our case, I mean, it was more divisive over the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say there were more people on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of probably telling us that we were being overly precious

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<v Speaker 1>about wanting more starting pitching. We heard that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>from fans. That's okay. It was more more controversial anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>at least more up in the air back in the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's not I think everyone. I've talked to people

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<v Speaker 1>that I agree with on a lot of things, people

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<v Speaker 1>that I agree with on very little things about baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone that I would deem to be somewhat credible on

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<v Speaker 1>the Braves has talked about the need for a starting

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<v Speaker 1>pitcher who could pitch a playoff game, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of months. Like once the issues happened

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<v Speaker 1>with Schwellenbach and Schreider. Down the line, it went from hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we always wanted another starter, we thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big need this winter. We said that over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>It went from we were on that side already to

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone was on that side apparently except for alex

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<v Speaker 1>and toopless and this is not a show that fires

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<v Speaker 1>people like, We're not going to go I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say fire Alexan Pop will say, maybe you will, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>but no. It's one of those things where I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in awe. To be honest, I think you may

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<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of that too, Like there's some surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's the contingent of people that just expected

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to happen because they're maybe doomerism, and I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And when that I would put this and I talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about this before we started recording. The Braves

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<v Speaker 1>made five trades this week. Five trades this week. I

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<v Speaker 1>literally would have done all five of them. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>home run trades, but they're all deals that made total

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. Five trades all that makes sense, and

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<v Speaker 1>I still would just absolutely say this is a deadline

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<v Speaker 1>failure and like that. That's kind of insane when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, to make five trades that are like

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable and still like clearly fall short of what you

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<v Speaker 1>had to do with the deadline. And it was because

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<v Speaker 1>the Bravees had other needs. We've talked about Lane Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>already on the podcast. We'll probably do more of that today.

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<v Speaker 1>They added other guys. We'll break those trades down later

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<v Speaker 1>on in this episode. But there was one need above all,

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<v Speaker 1>one need above all, and they plugged the secondary hole

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<v Speaker 1>of that need. They needed to get a playoff starter

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<v Speaker 1>and an innings filler. But the playoff starter was number

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<v Speaker 1>one on the agenda by a lot. They had the

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<v Speaker 1>money to spend as well. Jerson profile got suspended. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>always saves money to spend. They had the money to spend,

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<v Speaker 1>they held all that, they did not address the need.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you went by the way we'll talk about this,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a dozen starting pitchers that could at least

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<v Speaker 1>credibly be called like top three guys. Not all of

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<v Speaker 1>them are the same, not everybody's tick, Schoogle, I get that,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's probably a dozen guys who moved in the

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<v Speaker 1>last few days that Brad's got none of them. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's just it's really hard to swallow, no matter where

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<v Speaker 1>you come from, no matter how like fire you are

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<v Speaker 1>as a fan, or how doomer you are, how much

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<v Speaker 1>you like Alex, how much you don't like Alex. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everybody kind of agrees, except for the team

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<v Speaker 1>that like, this is a major failure. Like this, you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't you can't sell this. This is the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't sell to me, to you, like, you could

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<v Speaker 1>not go into Monday, August third at six o'clock and

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<v Speaker 1>not acquire a starting pitcher that moved the needle, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite literally, everybody other than Alex Andthopolis agreed the Braves

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<v Speaker 2>had to go add an impact starter. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>looking through Twitter to see what other reactions were. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there were Yankee fans poking fun at the Braves. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>does do the Braves realize what their rotation currently is?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is not some like niche weakness where it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we'd really like to add this because the

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<v Speaker 2>Braves struggle against left handed pitchers with whose names begin

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<v Speaker 2>with Elle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no, this is a massive hole.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the kind of problem that ends seasons way

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<v Speaker 2>prematurely from where they should end in short of a

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<v Speaker 2>World Series. I have no way of defending Alex, not

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<v Speaker 2>only for his decisions this weekend, but it's been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bad for Alex and Thopolis for a while now. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>go look at all of the moves Alex has made

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<v Speaker 2>since the end of the twenty twenty three season. The

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<v Speaker 2>Chris the Sale trade was amazing ten out of ten

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<v Speaker 2>no notes, but there have been a ton of bad

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<v Speaker 2>decisions and land mines from Alex since then. In sure,

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<v Speaker 2>he has a great core. Alex inherited a once in

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<v Speaker 2>a generation corps when he took over this team before

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen. Freddy Freeman, Dansby Swanson, Max Freed, Austin Riley,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Acunye Junior, Ozzie Alby's, Mike Soroka, you had all

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<v Speaker 2>the AMMO in the world. Insure Alex does get credit

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<v Speaker 2>for winning divisions and winning the World Series. But the

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<v Speaker 2>last twenty four months of Alex and Thoppolis have been

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<v Speaker 2>flat out bad. And I know this team is twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two games above five hundred, and that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>They should win the division, but this deadline was not

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<v Speaker 2>about winning the division. It was about winning a playoff

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<v Speaker 2>series for the first time since twenty twenty one. They

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<v Speaker 2>have won two playoff games since they won the World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>And their answers when they have the third best record

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<v Speaker 2>in baseball today was to get Lane Thomas, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>fine right handed bat. He'll do some things well for

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<v Speaker 2>this team, but he's not star Tyler Mallee, who might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to unlock a few things and be a

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<v Speaker 2>serviceable middle of the rotation guy for this team. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Brent Suter, who is a thirty seven year old

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<v Speaker 2>reliever who throws slower than like genuinely some kids in

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<v Speaker 2>high school throws.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his answer.

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<v Speaker 2>That was al Alexonthopolis, who had eighteen million dollars freed

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<v Speaker 2>up from jerks and profar getting suspended, and a farm

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<v Speaker 2>system that is the healthiest it has been in a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. That's his answer to this. Lane Thomas, Tyler Mallee,

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<v Speaker 2>Brent Suitor, and nothing else. On a day when a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen starting pitchers moved and there were others who were

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<v Speaker 2>really good who didn't move, That's that's what Alex is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way to spend this. There's truthfully no excusing

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<v Speaker 2>what Alex has done to this team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'm probably higher on him than you,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the consensus and even I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just said this, but I can't. There's no defense

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<v Speaker 1>for this. This is indefensible. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that I've done this for a long time. I've

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<v Speaker 1>covered I've covered different teeth for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 1>could spin something up I wanted to. Usually, even if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with something, I can give you the

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<v Speaker 1>I can give you the argument for it, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan of giving the people the whole picture.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no argument for this. I don't have one,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can't do it, and I look, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex is talking as we are talking, and he's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure gonna say what he always says is when he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do things, and then that they try to get close.

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<v Speaker 1>There was already a question I'm seeing on Twitter now

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<v Speaker 1>about he got asked if there was a no trade

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<v Speaker 1>clause that came into play, and he kind of sigh

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<v Speaker 1>stepped that. Everyone is wondering if Jacob de gram was

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<v Speaker 1>was a target and Apparently the Rangers were approached about

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob de Gram, and de Gram said, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>stay with Texas. Maybe that's the brace, maybe he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably will never say that. We'll find out regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. Like here are the names, just there's

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<v Speaker 1>this is a selection of names. But Terra Scoogle on

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<v Speaker 1>the high side. Obviously Casey Mais got moved today. Clay Holmes,

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin May, Kevin Gosman, Freddy Peralta, Ode Soriano Post Griff

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<v Speaker 1>and Robbie Ray, all those guys moved. The Braves could

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<v Speaker 1>have won a beating war for any of them. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're not saying they go crazy, Like at no point

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<v Speaker 1>where we're saying you have to trade Hartman and Cammanity

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<v Speaker 1>and everything for you don't have to do that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling me they couldn't put a package together to

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<v Speaker 1>win a bidding war for any of those any dozen names,

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<v Speaker 1>any or Trevor Rodgers who didn't get moved. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that Readever's didn't get moved. The Gram I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I just there's no way of selling that

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't have done something to outbid someone for someone.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just and it's funny. Tyler Maley was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that I argued for in November on this podcast or December,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever time it was, but not as the number

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<v Speaker 1>two starter on a playoff team. It was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the Brads need some need some depth, go get him

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<v Speaker 1>and look, if you want to be as charitable as

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<v Speaker 1>humanly possible, which I know we're not in the move

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<v Speaker 1>to be, and I'm not even in the mood to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're even less than I am. You could

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<v Speaker 1>say that the Braves have had worse than average pitching

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<v Speaker 1>luck this year, given Schwellenbach, even Strider, given a Waldrop,

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue that I would probably agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>But that argument goes out the window when there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, including us, saying in November and

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<v Speaker 1>December and October and January that they had to ad

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<v Speaker 1>starting pitching, and the one way to explain around that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been to Okay, Alex loves to say and

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<v Speaker 1>has done it before to his credit, but loves to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they want to have wiggle room around the

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<v Speaker 1>deadline to add to the roster financially. They didn't. They

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<v Speaker 1>used a little bit of it. I mean they took

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<v Speaker 1>on some money with Bailey Falter, but like, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>like they they also didn't spend the money like they

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<v Speaker 1>they literally I think they're gonna end the season with

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<v Speaker 1>a lower payroll in miss Art with yes guaranteed, given

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<v Speaker 1>the prof given the profile suspension, Like I haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers, but like it's got to be so No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's wild. I mean, we can talk more about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We will, uh in a second. I just I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we agree here, Scott. You can tell me if we're wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more I'm more baffled. You might be on the

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<v Speaker 1>angrier side. I'm on the baffled side, but we come

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<v Speaker 1>down in the same place. It's like this, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>diff this. This is indefensible to not come away with

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<v Speaker 1>the starry picture this week. And maybe it wouldn't have worked,

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<v Speaker 1>Like maybe would ever guy that they traded for wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have worked. It's never fool proof. It never is. But

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen the rotation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, has anybody seen the rotation of this team

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<v Speaker 1>right now? And yeah, maybe there's a world cross your crush,

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<v Speaker 1>your fingers and your toes. The Spencer swallow Bach is

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<v Speaker 1>like prime Schwallen bach in a month, I doubt it,

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<v Speaker 1>man like, And once that happens, they don't have anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the only living, breathing chance at a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>could pitch the game two of a playoff series on

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<v Speaker 1>this roster right now, right, And that's not that's really

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, that's the problem, man Like, Okay, And first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, if Chris Sale gets hurt, the season's over, Like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean legit, Well, I want to say this for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, is I want to talk about this exact

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<v Speaker 2>thing in a moment, like what the team actually looks

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<v Speaker 2>like we're gonna do that? But you're right, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's Chris Sale is already indispensable. It's beyond indispensable now,

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<v Speaker 2>like there is no alternative, Like, if Chris Sale is

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<v Speaker 2>not able to throw two and a half times in

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<v Speaker 2>every playoff series, you're not gonna win.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just what it is. Well, you can win games

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<v Speaker 1>without Chris Sale because it's it's baseball. There's noise in

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<v Speaker 1>guy's not good games. But like, I have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time seeing the Braves winning the World Series this season

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<v Speaker 1>without Chris Sale being like the super human version of

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<v Speaker 1>himself for a full month like, it's hard to see.

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<v Speaker 2>That, and then okay, great Chris Sale. Game one, Game two,

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<v Speaker 2>a J. Smith shover rehabbing off of Tommy John. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it maybe Spencer Schwellenbach, who hasn't fired a competitive pitch

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<v Speaker 2>in a game by fifteen months at this point? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it Bryce Elder? Is it thirty five year old Martine Perez?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it currently injured Rinaldo Lopez? Is it can't get

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<v Speaker 2>through a lineup more than one time? Grant Holmes? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it a rookie? And Jr?

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<v Speaker 1>Ritchie or Owen Murphy? Like what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>This is non sensical and you're right, Brad, there's no guarantee.

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<v Speaker 2>The Braves could have traded for Jose Soriano and he

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<v Speaker 2>could have blown up or he could have gotten hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they could have traded for Robbie and his you know,

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<v Speaker 2>regression could have hit hard, or they could have traded

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<v Speaker 2>for Dustin May or whoever. But to not even try

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<v Speaker 2>when it was kind of a buyer's market for starting

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<v Speaker 2>pitching is inexcusable. Just it is inexcusable malpractice, Just another

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<v Speaker 2>bad decision from a baseball executive who has had quite

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<v Speaker 2>a few bad decisions and no, no GM is going.

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<v Speaker 1>To bat one thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex is not gonna be perfect. Nobody is perfect, even

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers who have unlimited budget and unlimited payroll and

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<v Speaker 2>unlimited everything. They miss all the time. Right, They have

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<v Speaker 2>guys injured, they have guys been performed. Kyle Tucker is

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<v Speaker 2>making like ninety million dollars this year and he sucks, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But to not even try, to not try with Casey

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<v Speaker 2>Mize who went to the Padres, who have like the

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<v Speaker 2>worst farm system in baseball. I fully get that Casey

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<v Speaker 2>Mis's velocity was down a little bit, but to not

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<v Speaker 2>even try, Like, I am at a loss of words,

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<v Speaker 2>So we will move on from my ranting. I could

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<v Speaker 2>probably rant for another hour, but it's yeah, we could

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<v Speaker 2>do the whole show like this, and it'd be bad radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably we could do that, and it's not about one pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can go one by one and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, I'm sure I suspect at some point

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<v Speaker 2>Alex might even he won't do it with an aims,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that's probably how they do explain away. They

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<v Speaker 2>go one by one and say, Casey miss velocity was down,

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<v Speaker 2>the price was too high for so and so Clay

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes was with with the Mets, it's hard to make

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<v Speaker 2>trades of the division, like you can do it, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do it when there's twelve of them. Like

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<v Speaker 2>at some point you got to be the team that

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<v Speaker 2>does the thing. And that's always But even when Alex

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<v Speaker 2>is riding high, which he has they won the World Series,

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<v Speaker 2>even when he was riding high, his unwillingness to go

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<v Speaker 2>the extra five percent to get a trade done has

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<v Speaker 2>always been a questionable thing with him, Like maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the number one thing that he's been criticized for. Either

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<v Speaker 2>that or bullpen spending has been the two things that

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<v Speaker 2>Alex gets criticized the most for. And he did he

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<v Speaker 2>clearly didn't do it here well, And is Alex the

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<v Speaker 2>worst negotiator in the world, like clearly other.

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<v Speaker 1>Teams had no mean he does things. It's just made

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<v Speaker 1>I think he just draws the lines in the sand

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just like, I'm not crossing this line. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, man, but at some point you have to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the line.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then, don't draw the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't draw the line in the sand. It's easy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's just it's infuriating. And look, it is this.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, it's baseball. The sun

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<v Speaker 2>will come up tomorrow, we'll all go to work, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>eat all eat breakfast, we'll all go to school, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is you do. Are the Braves still a good team? Yes, unquestionably,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes this is a good team. But when the calendar

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<v Speaker 2>flips to October and the games change and the strategy changes,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of goes out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see a world where they have the

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<v Speaker 2>starting pitching to go head to head with the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>or the Brewers, or the Cubs or the Phillies. And sure,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll surprises, maybe they'll win a couple of games,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll advance a couple of rounds. But to not

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<v Speaker 2>even try to add one of these guys is just

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<v Speaker 2>mind numbing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave it there for now. We'll come back in a

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<v Speaker 1>second and talk much more about what actually happened as

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<v Speaker 1>well as what you just referred to. It's a good

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<v Speaker 1>kind of teaser for a second. It's like what the

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<v Speaker 1>other contenders did, because spoiler alert, the top three or

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Scott, let us continue talking about this maddening

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<v Speaker 1>week of Atlanta Braves baseball. Some updates as we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking that we could just knock out real quickly. Hori

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<v Speaker 1>Mateo has been dfaed a Corey dalyx N thoughtless. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a huge surprise. We thought about that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>last night as a somewhat expected out come as they

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<v Speaker 1>clear the way for Hassan Kim to return. That's number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two is according to Why, a sophomore bowman who's

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<v Speaker 1>on the coal with Alex, the plan is that Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Jarvis will be the shortstop still moving forward, Not Dubon,

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<v Speaker 1>not Kim, Jim Jarvis. So they are still writing the

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<v Speaker 1>I almost at hot hand, the slightly warmer than lukewarm

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<v Speaker 1>hand of Jim Jarvis. Any reaction to that before we

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<v Speaker 1>dive in back to traded line stuff. That's what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Only shortstop thing I really care about is if has

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<v Speaker 2>On Kim gets to play. Does Kim show you anything

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and kind of based on these comments today

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the moves they made, you know they

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<v Speaker 2>have cleared some room on the roster, but they are

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<v Speaker 2>apparently committed to Jarvis and then Dubon is also in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>So doesn't make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole lot of sense to me if they're gonna just

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<v Speaker 2>sit Kim on the bench and not at least try

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<v Speaker 2>to see if there's anything there. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>this team hasn't done much that's made a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sense lately, so well, I guess we'll see that is

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<v Speaker 2>right as a transition.

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<v Speaker 1>Danzeborski, who has long been a comment or at Battery Power,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was talking Chop Dan's a great job. He

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<v Speaker 1>created Zips works at fangrabs one of the smart baseball

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<v Speaker 1>minds in all of baseball, in my opinion. He wrote today,

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<v Speaker 1>before the Braves didn't do anything that basically, if anything

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Chris Sale, his projections will have the Braves

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<v Speaker 1>as the worst rotation of any playoff caliber baseball team

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<v Speaker 1>in the majors. Does that sound right to you? It's

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<v Speaker 1>all right to me. What the Braves have so we

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<v Speaker 1>alluded that a second ago. Now we'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>one pitcher they did add. His name is Tyler Matley,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's mix it up engineered by our friends

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<v Speaker 1>at fasten All. Okay, Scott. There will be more time

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<v Speaker 1>for more rants later on in the episode. But since

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<v Speaker 1>our last episode on Sunday, the Braves didn't make a

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<v Speaker 1>I would say substantial trade, not major, not super duper minor.

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<v Speaker 1>They made two pretty minor trades. Tyler Mawley's a real

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<v Speaker 1>trade that we would have talked about. Have we not

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<v Speaker 1>already recorded two hours before it actually happened yesterday? And

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<v Speaker 1>that leads this segment. So I don't know about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought of you right away because of all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've said this maybe the most. It was

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<v Speaker 1>usually Robbie Rays for example, but you were arguing the

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<v Speaker 1>Braves needed the kind of second starting pitcher, basically as

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<v Speaker 1>the guy to get through the season. Inning's a healthy arm,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat proven, not sexy. That is Tyler Malley for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You can argue whether that's the player that you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>or not in that role. He was never going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the number one guy in any of our minds.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like, and I wrote this in the

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<v Speaker 1>notes before we knew that we're gonna do anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of fits exactly that they didn't do the

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<v Speaker 1>big thing, but Tyler Malley is like, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a Tyler Malley was that did Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Look if kind of the theme carrying over from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the show, if they would have acquired

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<v Speaker 2>an impact starter, then all the other moves make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more sense, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>So all you add is Tyler Malley, And look you

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<v Speaker 2>see Tyler ma Maali. On the surface is e Ray

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<v Speaker 2>is upwards of five on the season. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>dig in a little bit more, there are some interesting

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<v Speaker 2>things with his profile since he so he missed basically

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<v Speaker 2>most of June, but since coming back from that hamstring injury,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been like legitimately pretty good with the Giants. A

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<v Speaker 2>three point seventy nine ERA and a three point six

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<v Speaker 2>two fielding independent pitching FIP.

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<v Speaker 1>Over seven starts. That's good man like.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's also worked into the six or seventh inning

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<v Speaker 2>in most of those starts, and we know how desperately

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the Braves need innings in the rotation. Malley also had

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<v Speaker 2>a good year last year too, so there's there's things

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<v Speaker 2>to like with him. No one's gonna plan the World

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<v Speaker 2>Series parade because they got Tyler Malley, but he should

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<v Speaker 2>represent something of a stabilizer in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>rotation for you know, whether it's Jo Richie who gets

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<v Speaker 2>sent out, or if they move Grant Holmes to the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, whatever they ultimately do. You know, in

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<v Speaker 2>a vacuum, Mally was type of arm that made sense,

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<v Speaker 2>although he was the only arm they added instead of

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<v Speaker 2>adding two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it's somewhat similar to our reactions about

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<v Speaker 1>Leadon Thomas, where it clearly makes the team better. That

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>is not us saying that that is all they should

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have done. I think we've probably earned that bonafied so

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<v Speaker 1>far on this podcast, we're pretty clear about what they

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>should have done. It's not one thing or the other, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, you're allowed to make the team better.

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<v Speaker 1>In this way, this deal made the team better. Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Mallley is an upgrade on the current version of JR. Richie.

0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, Tyler Maalley is a veteran who isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to change your life, but can pitch credibly in

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Major league games Right now. Last two seasons combined, he

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>is a three point seven TV and a three point

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<v Speaker 1>eight nine FIP. If you have a FIP and ERA

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 1>in the threes over thirty four starts in two seasons,

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.119
<v Speaker 1>you are a competent major league starter. That's just what

0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.199
<v Speaker 1>you did. Yeah, are you sexy?

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Is he is? He extremely boring? Yes? But that's I

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.720
<v Speaker 1>made the same pitch for him on this podcast in

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 1>January's I had this guy's really boring, but he'll probably

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 1>eat some manangs for you, and he does. It's a

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.360
<v Speaker 1>one year deal, it's expiring contract. Doesn't spend a didn't

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of money, thirty one years old.

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He even with a like as you mentioned, he has

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a rough ur right for the season. Even

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 1>with that and his early struggles he has He's been

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>worth zero point eight Fangrafts war this season, which isn't great,

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's Uh. I'll just say this, that only would

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 1>trail Chris Sayle and Bryce Elder among all Braves pitchers starters.

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I should say the bullpen guys have better, but he

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>might have been the number two starter right now, but

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 1>he's in the top four. So Tyler Mallley pretty boring.

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh one thing I do want to note he kind

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of he kind of has a little bit of Grant

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Holmes in him in this way, he doesn't have the

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Grant Holmes arsenal. To be very clear, he is a starter.

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Tylly Malley is a starter. Like he's not a reliever

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>guy that could go over. He doesn't have that kind

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But he has the time three order splits

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that you don't want to see deep in the game.

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 1>For his career, he has a two point nine ERA,

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>the first off through the order very good, second time

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>through four point zero one, which is actually totally fine

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 1>for a starting pitcher, third time seven point one, six RA.

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:18.880
<v Speaker 1>So I don't think you're gonna see Tyler Mallley going

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>in the seventh inning in some high leverage games very often.

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>But he is a starter. We'll save some of this

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff for later when we have more to talk about.

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned it briefly earlier. I think that the addition

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 1>of Tyler Mallley could be what sends Grant Holmes to

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the bullpen once and for all. That actually might happen.

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Grant Holmes profiles is a reliever that I could use.

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.679
<v Speaker 1>But regardless, man, we'll spend time on this, but like

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they do need more Ammo in the rotation. Alex talked

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 1>about I think last night how the Braves believe that

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he'll be better against Righty's where they tweak a his

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>pitch mix. He's been better against them already, so it's

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>not sexy. We totally understand that. But I think that

0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the five trades that I thought

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>were all like totally logical trades. I think giving up

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>what they gave up for him, which was, by the way,

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>only Anthony Malina, who they've already defayed once he's spend

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>most of the year. He's like a quad a guy

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>by all accounts. It seems like that price for a

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>guy who's like a real major leak starter made total

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>sense to me. And in a vacuum, I liked it. Yeah,

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum, not a vacuum, Scott, not a vacuum.

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>In a vacuum, I liked it.

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Right someone like Tyler Mallee, someone like Lane Thomas. These

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>are the types of additions that a contending team should make.

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 2>They represent upgrades, small upgrades, but they are upgrades nonetheless

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 2>by themselves not gonna move the needle A whole lot,

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and sure they'll they'll probably have moments. I would like

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 2>to think Tyler Mallee, when he gets with Jeremy Hefner

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and the Braves get to work with him a little bit,

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 2>he will give this team solid innings down the stretch.

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Is he going to strike out twelve hitters over its

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>next five innings? Probably not, But I do think he's

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna bring some stability to the rotation, just like with

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Lane Thomas. I think he's gonna bring some thump from

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 2>the right side chi against left handed pitching. But to

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>be clear, there's only you can only get so excited

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>about about Tyler Malley being your loan starting pitching edition

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>when we know everything about this rotation.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't know. We can probably leave it there

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>on Tyler Malley. It's it's a guy that makes it.

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 1>It's gotta makes sense. He makes the better And shout

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>out to the rotation upgrade that happened on this on

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:27.120
<v Speaker 1>this weekend.

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I can I should have you know, I should have done.

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I should have gone to Walgreens before this episode and

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>got like a blood pressure monitor and hooked it up

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 2>and then like put a camera on it so you

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>could see it rising in real time on the screen.

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>That would have been some good content. It would have

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 2>been good content. We threw around today behind the scenes

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>whether we should go live during the deadline. I'm glad

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>we didn't do that. I think there was been a

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>decent chance that someone would have got us fired. Don't know,

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonnaname any names. I mean pretty much anyone could

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 2>have even me, like everyone's going, you know, it's funny.

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 2>I found myself it was about thirty minutes before the

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:11.160
<v Speaker 2>deadline ended, and a couple of starters had just come

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>off the board, and I found myself not even like voluntarily,

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 2>just involuntary, sitting at my desk watching the updates stroll in,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and I was shaking my head at just how frustrated

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I was at it all. And it was like I

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 2>was trying to do it or I wasn't recording myself.

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I just I caught myself just shaking my head in

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>disgust at the strategy and the plan of this deadline

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.719
<v Speaker 2>from Alex and the team. It's just it is what

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>it is. Let's hope for the best. With Tyler Malley,

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about Brent Souder here in a minute, and

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple other minor deals, but just just so underwhelming,

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>so interwhelming.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Tyler Malley's fault. I kind of feel bad

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>for Tyler Malley because people are getting mad at him

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>when he's just a mid starting pitcher. That's what he is.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to tangel life and it won't be

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>his fault. Just saying that out loud. All right, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Before we move on to uh, Brent Suter and

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>betray that the braves made for him, I have to

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you know where I'm going about you. You know where I'm

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>going to you right already we have an alex Antopless

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>quote from Gabe Burns of the AJAC Cover your ears,

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Scott quote, be a Gabe. We said no to a

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of things. That's not easy to do, but you

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>have to do what you feel is right for the organization.

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>End quote.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Uh moving right along, time out, time out. If that

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>is what's best for the organization, then it's time to

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>have a serious conversation.

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not not a great and granted that's

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that's only one tweet of one quote. We don't know

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the whole quote, but it's not I I had to

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>share it because I knew you were gonna love it

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so much. Other nuts and bolts that have leaked out

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>since Alex started talking. He said there was never a

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>discussion about not bring haus On Kim back. Obviously he's

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>going to say that they're not going to say, well, well

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>we thought about cutting him, so that's kind of an

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>auto answer. But just want to say, and also we'll

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about Joey Bart in a second.

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>But I was gonna say, I mean, when you hand

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>a guy a twenty million dollar contract, you're kind of

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 2>obligated to stick with him at least for a little bit, right, Like, look, Brad,

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 2>there's no money to acquire like a Dylan C's when

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to pay Hassan Kim twenty million dollars a year.

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>That was one and hey, raise my hand. I liked

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that contract. It didn't didn't go well so far. Also,

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I know our guy at Capitol Avenue for a Braves

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>blogger lined up what was spent on Jacob de Gram

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the season, and what was spent on some of the Braves'

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>bullpen arms, that the Alex is a spending spree in

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the bullpen. Anyway, more, one more.

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Thing on that I made this point earlier. I got

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>to get all my points out and then I.

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Promise we are free flowing on this Monday evening. I

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>promise you that we're free flow.

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.239
<v Speaker 2>So here's the one of the craziest parts of this.

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>About a week ago, Alex went on local radio in

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta and said when they were pressing him about adding

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>a starting pitcher, he said, he kind of sidestepped it

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>and said, well, you know, the game changes in October,

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>so maybe we'll just go out and add a couple

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.959
<v Speaker 2>of relievers to give you the best bullpen that you

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>can have.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And there might be some truth to that. He didn't

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>even adds. But he didn't even add a good reliever.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>He threw it.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>All he did was add a lefty who throws eighty

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>seven mile an hour fastballs. And sure, Brent Suter is

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a role as like the seventh guy in

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the bullpen, but Brent Suter is not an impact reliever.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>He didn't go out and try to acquire someone who's

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>actually good, like genuinely a difference maker, the way that

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>like Dylan Lee or Diddy or Fwontes or right to

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the Glacias.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>He didn't even do that.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>No starting pitcher other than Tyler Mallley, and no reliever

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 2>other than thirty seven year old lefty Brent Suter with

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 2>a thirty or with an eighty mile an hour sinker.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>That's sorry.

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>My blood pressure just went back up again. I get

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a we're allowed. It's gonna be happening throughout the podcast.

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I just saw another other quote from Mark Bowman via

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Alex about how disappointing it was. Somebody asked, my disappointment

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>was not at a playoff caliber starter, and he said

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that this is a Alex quote now quote. We didn't go

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>in the deadline with the thought that we have to

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>get this or have to get that. We're just trying

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to make the team better. And he goes on to

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>say something about Drake Baldwin going out the door in

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>a previous trade if they had gotten a deal done

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago. Uh, and then you know,

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>on and on and on. It is that what you thought?

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>What you think it would be checked out. Mark Mark

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Twitter if you want to find.

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>More players as talented as Drake Baldwin two years ago.

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 2>We're not traded this deadline. There was no crazy asks.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>This was not even from whether it's Trek Scoogle who's

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the market, or like Robbie Ray

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>who was probably at the bottom of the market. There

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>were not some insane prospects flying around at this deadline.

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>That's what's so frustrating. If you got to trade Owen

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Murphy to give yourself a chance at a World Series,

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>then trade Owen Murphy, like what are you doing?

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>God strongly agree. It wasn't like they had to trade

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Hartman to do whatever they wanted to do.

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>No be asked to get whoever was not was not

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>our five best prospects that that did not happen anywhere.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So either he's the worst negotiator on the planet when

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>it comes to acquiring starting pitching or what, or he

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>has a blind eye to adding stortage. I don't know.

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Brad.

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It's okay. I I thought that might do it. I

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't trying to lend you up. I thought we might

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>get there. I'm just passing along the news. Guys, it's

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>coming in during the podcast. That's all. I just I'm

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>responsible to pass along the news to the people. I

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>also let people know what we know when we know

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it's other things going on. We'll talking about this in

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a second. Sean Murphy's officially back. That's been announced. They

0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>optioned Karen Zack and Richie to Gwinnette. No surprise there,

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>and then they added, of course Thomas Mallley and Suitor

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to the roster and dfade MATEO. Okay, Brent Suitter, you

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>just made this point to some degree, everyone's made that.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>We've done it one hundred times. I'm kind of doing

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it as a joke right now. But one of the

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>tribute questions about the Playoff Run in twenty twenty one

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>was Dylan Lee starting a World Series game. They did.

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>They did do a lot of the Playoff Run twenty

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>one with their BULLPP. Now, what they did have was

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Max Freed, Charlie Morton, and the best version of Me

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Anderson that ever that ever happened. Yes, they had three,

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>they had two, they had two and a half. Yeah,

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>they had two and a half starters. They didn't have one.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh I know, I know, Morton got hurt in the

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>World Series. That happened too, but he did. He was

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>on the mound. He was pitching in the World Series

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>when he got hurt. So anyway, he's not It's not

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>totally insane. It suggests that you can win playoff baseball

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>games with a great bullpeny in a great lineup. That

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is very reasonable to say. It's harder when you don't

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>have a one starter and that starter is thirty seven,

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight years old, who we love. Chris Sale is

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:16.959
<v Speaker 1>our guy forever, Okay, Brent Suiter, this is what Alex does.

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 1>So we laughed about this already. I'm going to tweet

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>about this jokingly, back when I had optimism in my

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>heart about something else happening today. This is hours and

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>hours ago. I was like, the one thing we always

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>knew is that Alex was going to trade for a

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 1>reliever on deadline day. He just always does this. It

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. Would have been better to have a better

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>one than Brent Suter, Yes, but it's a guy that

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 1>they were always going to do something because Alex always

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>trades for a reliever. It just was going to happen

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>at some point. Brent Suter's fine. Another one of the

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>five trades that I thought was totally fine. They gave

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>up Natcho Alvarez. I know Nacho was once one of

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.359
<v Speaker 1>their top five ish prospects a couple of years ago.

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>That was when they had a bad system at that point,

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and I was never super high on Nacho. He was

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>not good in the majors when he showed there. Maybe

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>he finds his way to the majors an a utility

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>role at some point. That's very possible. He's still twenty

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>three years old. I'm not saying he's a total zero,

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 1>but trading Nacho Alvarez at this point where he had

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>nowhere to go in the organization for a guy who

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.479
<v Speaker 1>can help you now, yeah, totally fine. Yeah, and Britz

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Rogoitch Like again, he's not gonna supplant Iglesias or Fuentes

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>or Lee or hopefully, hopefully, hopefully Robert Torres, but he

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>can be the sixth guy in your bullpen, seventh guy

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>in your bullpen and help you. That's my That's my

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>almost my entire statement on the matter for right now.

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Brent Sooter is an interesting reliever of veteran He's

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>a Harvard graduate, supposed to be a really smart guy,

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 2>has been around forever and has been durable the whole time.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned pretty good numbers with the Angels, you know,

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>a three point six fip with the Angels, and with

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 2>their awful defense, you would like to think that's going

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to continue with Atlanta. Very slow fastball and sinker hovers

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>around eighty seven eight but first percentile fastball of plosity

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>this season. Yeah, first percentile, but has ninety ninth percentile

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>extension where which means that hitters just don't pick up

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the ball for whatever reason, it gets on him quickly.

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>They don't hit it hard, they don't barrel him. They

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>ninety fourth percentile hard hit rate allowed. Doesn't really walk

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>people either, gets a lot of ground balls, which should

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>play pretty well with a good Braves infield defense. So yeah,

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 2>like Brent Suter is the sixth or seventh guy in

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>your bullpen, makes a lot of sense. I'm not a

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>big believer in Danny Young. I think he certainly is

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 2>better than Danny Young and kind of gives you another

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>option alongside Dylan Dodd and of course Dylan Lee as

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of your big three lefties in you know, when

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>the games really do become important in September and October.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he does. He's not traditional lefty, like, he

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have great almost almost reverse platoon splits. He's not

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>like a dominant lefty versus lefty reliever, but having another

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>option there, like you can go to how they a veteran.

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. He's better than Danny Jung. So

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>even if it's just an upgrade on that spot, like,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that's not a bad thing to have in the organization.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>So I thought it was fine. We'll see how he looks.

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm glat you pointed out the defense of the

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Angels that this is the kind of picture that you

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>need a defense behind you. He's not going to fool.

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't. I shouldn't say that. In the full hitters.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't miss bats. He gets soft. He's a soft

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 1>contact guy, and you need defense when you're that kind

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>of pitcher. And he has better defense now than he

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>had before. Elsewhere on the trade stuff, eli White is

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>no longer remember of the Braves. He was traded to

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox today for Tyler Eberstein. You know the

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>addition of of Laine Thomas. We didn't talk about Eliab

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>being like a straight DFA candidate that much on our

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>show last night. But I am not surprised with this

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 1>at all because there wasn't a huge role left for

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Eli White. You could argue like pinch running would have

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>been his role basically, especially if they were going to

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>DFA Mateo would have been like, all right, maybe you

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>want either Mateo or White on the ross. Now they

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 1>have neither, but you can find that. And crucially, Eli

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 1>White as older, the people realize he is he's been

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.720
<v Speaker 1>around for a long time in the majors or fringe

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>in the majors, and he is out of options. So

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>like it was either keep him on the roster or

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>DFA him or trade him. Like they couldn't option him

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>down to the minors. Which are the people like, why

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>are they traded stuff? Just well, no, because they couldn't

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>set him down. He was out of options, and they

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>traded for you, for you Ristine, who may not be

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a thing, but he has minor league options. And it

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>seems to me this is the kind of deal that

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you do when you're thinking about dfing Eli White and

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like, hey, can I can we trade him before

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>we have to before we just cut him? That's that

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 1>was my worad. They didn't say that, but I was like, oh,

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>if they traded him for this, for this return, they

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>at least wanted to make sure that they basically there's

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>a market before they could move on from him some

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>other Sure.

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you if the Braves make the decision to

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>move on from Eli White, you might as well try

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to get something for him. And you mentioned how that

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you were. Steine twenty seven years old, has been pretty

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 2>good in the minors. I think, only made one or

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>two appearances with Boston this year and then got hurt,

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 2>but has been throwing the ball well in his rehab.

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's a chance we might see Uberstein

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>at some point in these final two months. But at

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the same time, as you, as you alluded to, if

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>you're twenty seven years old and you have not made

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 2>an impact, a continued impact in the majors, generally the

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>odds are are pretty low. But you know what, Eli

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>White seemed like a good dude, had some nice moments

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>for this team, but you know, he did become a

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 2>bit redundant with some of the other additions they've made.

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we talked about last night, but yeah,

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, Layne Thomas is just like the better version

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of Eli White, and that's that's bad news for Eli White.

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>As soon as Laine Thomas came either for either either

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>for them moving on from him or him just playing

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>way less, one of those is gonna happen as soon

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>as they got Lane Thomas, and it ended up being

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>moving on from him. And just to say it out loud,

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Eli White's thirty two. I think if you polled Braves

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>fans and asked how old Eli White was, they did

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>not know. He's thirty two years old. I think people

0:40:58.160 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 1>think he's like a twenty five year old.

0:40:59.360 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 3>He's not.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>He's thirty. So to your point, very beloved player. Like

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>some bench guys just get very popular. He became one

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of those guys. I mean, I know you joked about

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>setting thoughts and prayers to the Braves twitter handle administration.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Today when they announced daylight White was, they kind of

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>gave their farewell tweet and people were very very unhappy.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>A granted part that's probably because they didn't make a

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>trade for a picture, but yeah, people did not want

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you that White to be gone either. So it was

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 1>a rough day for the folks behind the social media

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 1>accounts for the Braves.

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, the other move that was not a giant surprise,

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 2>but you know, trading Joey Bart to the White Sox,

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I think even lesser of an arm came back for

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Joey Bart. Yeah, it was, of course, I've just lost

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>his name.

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>It's Duncan David, thank you, and that as soon as

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>that happened. Look, we talked about this for a long

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>time already, with Murphy getting close, Sean Murphy coming back

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>from rehab assignment now official, it's been announce as of

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes ago. But he was always going to be close,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and there was a world in which they might keep

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Joy Bart. But they don't similarly want to carry three catchers.

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't like to do that. It seems like if

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you follow him for years and years and years now

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and Bart wasn't so good where you couldn't move on

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>from him, and to me this felt like even more

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.439
<v Speaker 1>so than eli White thing, it's like, oh, we're going

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to have to cut Joey Bart today if we don't

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>trade him, because Duck and Davitt got DFAD I think

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>two days ago or yesterday, So like this is a

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>DFA for DFA trade. This is a and I get it.

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Joey Bart is a big a bigger name as if

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Worri he was drafted, and I think he's a major

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 1>leagu back up catcher. I mean, I don't think he's

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>some great player, but he's a number two catcher on

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 1>a team that's he's fine. But spoiler, folks, they were

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 1>never going to get anything back for Joey Bart in

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a trade, like I'm sorry, Like if you were holding

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 1>out for some great return for Joey Bart, like that

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>was never happening. So they got a flyer on a

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>monor league arm. That's all it is.

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look, I think it would be in an

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 2>ideal world you would have held on to Joey Bart

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 2>as catcher insurance on the chance that Drake Baldwin gets

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 2>hurt again or Seawan Murphy gets hurt again. Murph has

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 2>a long injury list at this point. But from a

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 2>roster perspective, you know you can only carry well twenty

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>six players in total and thirteen position players, so it's

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna be tough just to make the math work. I

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>know a few people pointed that out today, and I mean, truthfully,

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 2>go look at the active roster and say who would

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>you boot out after the couple of moves this weekend,

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>like you know who getting rid of? I mean, I

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>guess if you wanted to say, like Dominic Smith could

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>go and then you keep three catchers, But that feels

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:29.919
<v Speaker 2>a little silly to me. And there really just wasn't

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 2>a ton of other options at least for the next

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>month until rosters expand by two and on September first.

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, now we just hold our breath, hope that

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>that John Murphy can give this team something obviously, hope

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>that Drake Baldwin continues to be awesome. But yeah, as

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 2>soon as I saw Joey Bart was getting traded, I

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 2>was not expecting a top prospect by any means.

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>No, it leaked out with like, oh Bart's been traded.

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, this is going to be unwhelming, and

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it was, but we'll see. And look, this is not

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a semur if your Reaction podcast. Murphy looked pretty good

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>in Winnette by all accounts in the last week or two.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I think he's underrated right now, but he also might

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>get hurt any day. So that's I am the Sean

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Murphy defender until the end, I think. But uh, I

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>am realistic about what he is and what he isn't.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>We'll find out, all right, Scott, do you want to

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>talk briefly before we get out of here. I don't

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>want to make you do your twelfth rant of this podcast.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we should. I feel like we should

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of take stock a little bit. We've done a

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 1>little bit already on the podcast. But everybody got better

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>in the National League. Like, the Braves are probably gonna

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 1>win the in at least I didn't say definitely, they're

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna win the in. At least they have an

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>eight game lead on August second or August third, Like

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>they're probably gonna win the division. But the Dodgers got

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Tarek Scuble, and yes, they paid a real cost for him.

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>We never really did the post Schooble discussion because he

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>got traded in a weird spot for our podcast. Is

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>were I don't know. I don't know if they were

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna on him or not. I probably guess not based

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:09.399
<v Speaker 1>on what happened Lucky, Yes, But I mean I didn't

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with the Braves not beating what they

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>what what the Dodgers paid. There's a whole discussion. We

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 1>won't have today about the Dodgers being able to pay

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.439
<v Speaker 1>a prospect cost because they don't have to worry about

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the money. They just don't care about the money, so

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>they could just do whatever they want. There was comparisons

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>made about what it would have been for the Braves,

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 1>whether it would have been Hartman and something else or

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Candated or something else and whatever. But the Dodgers got

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Terra Schoubel and Chris Boubach. I don't know why they

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>are Chrispoobach. They don't they don't need Chrispoombach. The Brives

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>could use Chris boob Wich right now and they didn't

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>get him. He's see better than Tyler Mallley. I don't

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>really know. There's probably he's hurt right now.

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 2>So I mean the Dodgers acquired someone who's hurt to

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe pitch in September. But I mean, I don't But

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>compare that, Compare that to what Alex and Thopolis just

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 2>said about our rotation and the Dodger rotation. It could

0:45:58.160 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 2>not be any any different.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it's insane, and they're and they're hurt. I know,

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>no one's in the mood to defend the Dodgers, including me.

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>They have a lot of injuries, which is I'm assuming

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>why they're doing this. But still I brastill to get

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>mad at me because I kind of just mention sometimes

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers are kind of in their own stratosphere because

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>they are guys. I'm sorry, they just are their rosters.

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>But everybody else's roster. It already was, it's even better now.

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And for the Braves to win the World Series or

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 1>make the World Series, they got to either get lucky

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to beat the Dodgers or have somebody else beat them,

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>because the Dodgers are the best team. But it's baseball.

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>You can still lose. But Scott, not Scott, I know

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you're old enough to remember, like I am. You remember

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers were the team that could never win the

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Big One, because I do. I do. That's been forgotten

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years. But they were the best

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.720
<v Speaker 1>team in the league several times, didn't win the World Series.

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Like that happens.

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's based on and then you know it helps

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>do when you then spend five hundred million dollars a

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>year and you have I mean.

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a labor issue. It already is a

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>labor issue. Like that's a different special day. But anyway,

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers were already the favorites. They have got better.

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>They're even bigger favorites now. That's unfortunate, but just worth

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>saying out loud. The Brewers, who are the second best

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>team in the National League this year, even ahead of

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the Braves, got Dustin May and Jojo Romero. Dustin May

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 1>is a polarizing figure. I don't think he's some great pitcher,

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>but he helps them. He's The Braves could use us of

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>May right now, and they didn't get him. So the

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Brews got better. The Cubs got Kevin Gosman and Clay Holmes.

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Gosman and Clay Holmes today.

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 2>That would have been, I mean, a perfect deadline for

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>the Braves. If they could have done that, what the

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Cubs did today, I would be I would be thrilled

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>if the Braves could have done what the Cubs did today.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>The Potterys I wasn't even like thinking about because they

0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>were They're not even in They're not even in the

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>wildcardsmar right now. They are in the their fourth in

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>the wildcard race right now. But the Potterys went and

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 1>got two star pitchers today too. They did the rob

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>they did the Robbie Ray thing. We were talking about

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.839
<v Speaker 1>the Braves doing as the number two guy that they

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>and got and they used a bunch of money, like

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>they they upgraded. I'm not scared of the Padres, but

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>they got better today. And then the Phillies fans are

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>mad like Braves fans are mad right now because they

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 1>also they also wanted a starting pitcher and didn't get one.

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.239
<v Speaker 1>They did get Luisa Rice is kind of a big name,

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and Brooks Raley. But I mean everybody, and look, the

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>brains got better too. Did they get better enough? No,

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 1>we were annoyed by that. Obviously, the Braids got better too.

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>But I say that I'll just say, let's be sober

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>for like one second here, Scott. I'll ask you this

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>because I feel this way. The Braves World Series odds

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 1>or National League Pennant odds went down today right like that.

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they got they got better in the last

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>few days, and they still lost ground in that war. Correct.

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Do we agree on that?

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I would say with a straight face. August third is

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 2>we're recording this. If the Braves see the Dodgers in

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs, the Dodgers would be the favorites. I would

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 2>expect the Dogs to win. Could the Braves win, Sure,

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the ploffsies right, they could, they could win.

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 2>No one's picking them right against the Brewers. I think

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 2>the computers would pick the Brewers. I think, in my

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 2>true heart of hearts, I think the Brewers are a

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 2>better team now than the Braves. Maybe not over a

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 2>one to sixty two sample, but in a best of

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 2>five or a best of seven now with the top

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Brewers rotation, I would lean.

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Towards the Brewers.

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.359
<v Speaker 2>The Cubs, I mean, the Cubs are a weird team.

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.399
<v Speaker 2>They run either super hot or super cold. But now

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that they add Gosman and Holmes to their rotation, they're

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot better, a lot more dangerous. They have

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>a great offense, especially against left handed pitching, so the

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Cubs are scary. I still think I would lean the

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Braves over the Cubs, but that would be like a

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>fifty five forty five type of series. And then the Phillies,

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 2>while they have all these issues. One, the Luisa Rise

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 2>trade was very weird, and they're not only Louisa Rise,

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna move people like Bryce Harper's going to

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the outfield and they're moving players, don't the Phillies are

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 2>all over?

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Listen listen to the Phillies show on

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.399
<v Speaker 1>our network if you want more on the Phillies. But yeah,

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I I don't believe in the Phillies. I don't think

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 1>they're particularly good, but they did get a little better.

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's weird. I this is not this show.

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>But uh, what are the Red Sox doing? Would be

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a question I'd asked, just as a baseball fan, what's

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>going on? They traded Marcella Meyer for like a weird reliever. Like,

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the Red Socks were doing in general.

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.440
<v Speaker 1>They didn't sell, but they also like Sunny Gray was

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>clearly not available unfortunately.

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 2>When they gave a fortune to get Adley Rushman.

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they've made a million. Yeah, it's what a

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 1>weird day, weird week. But look, I'm not trying to

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 1>doom er. You said it earlier, even in the midst

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of a ramp, and I think you're right. The Atlanta

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Braves could still make the World Series. We're saying out loud,

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.879
<v Speaker 1>as mad as we are, as annoyed as we are,

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 1>as baffled as we are as frustrated as we are.

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Pick whichever word you want, Scott, maybe you have a

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>different one that's more less than less PG than what

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I've use on the podcast. As bad as we are,

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 1>they can still win the World Series, they can still

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>make the World Series. Are their odds great to do that?

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean that it's not. It's not great right now.

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>God help us if Chris Sale gets hurt, as we

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.759
<v Speaker 1>already knew, but it's even more pronounced now than it

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 1>was then. And I do have one thing that I

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 1>want to just say before I forget to say it.

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And I know you back me up on this one

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 1>reason that I am as annoyed as I am, and

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm probably two level to a fault. Listeners for

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time know that I don't get too

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 1>high or too low very much. One reason I'm even

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>more annoyed than I would have been is that the

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Braves are not young anymore. They're just not, and they're

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>operating like they are. Chris Sale is not quite He's

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 1>older than you, isn't he. I think Chris Sale's older

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>than you. Chris Sale's older than Scott Coleman, which is

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>all you need to know about his life and future.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>But Ronald A Queen Junior is only on a contract

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>for two and a half more years, Like Austin Riley

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 1>is already a disaster contract right now. As good as

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Matt Olsen is, he's not getting younger. Ozzie Alby's is

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 1>not getting younger, and might be might not be on

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the team all that much longer given his age contract

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff like, yeah, they had Drake Balwin. Great to have

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Drake Balwin, but he's the only he's the only guy.

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael Harris has been great this year, so we could

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>shot him out too. Maybe he's on that timeline. But

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 1>all the guys that we used to be young five

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>years ago aren't young anymore. And when you're as reliant

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>as the Braves are on Chris Sale and Ronald A

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Queen Junior, but even Chris Sale right now, you got

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 1>to be trying to win right now. Man, this might

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>be if Chris Sale he's not gonna retire after the season,

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think. But like, there's a decent chance this

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>is the best is ever gonna be again, and they're

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 1>they're not pushing chips in, so that's it's something I

0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 1>know that like orials fans dealt with when they were

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>like they rebuilt for a long time, they never got

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 1>they never like pushed all our chips in, and now

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>they're selling out of the Richman, which reminded me to

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about this. The Brands obviously won their World Series.

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>They did. They won the World Series. We were there,

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>we covered it was fun, but like, what was the was?

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>What was then? A young team is not a young

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 1>team anymore, man, and it's it's maddening. I don't mean

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to like bring the spirit down at the end of

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, but like through we go through the exercise

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of hey, the Breads could still win the World Series.

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I do mean that, I do believe it. The playoffs

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 1>are pretty darn random in baseball, and the twenty twenty

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 1>one team wasn't the best team in baseball. I always

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>say that. I don't mean it's not me pouring cold water.

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>They still won the games. That's all that matters. Then

0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the benter Flies, it will always fly. They weren't the

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.160
<v Speaker 1>best team, so I hope they won the World Series.

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.400
<v Speaker 1>They still could. But one reason I personally am like

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.839
<v Speaker 1>even more annoyed is that this could be their best

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>chance with this crew.

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:53.640
<v Speaker 2>This was unquestionably their best chance since twenty twenty three, which,

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 2>funny enough, looking back, twenty three was also a pretty

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 2>subdued deadline. They did not do a whole lot to

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.800
<v Speaker 2>improve that history work offense, and a pitching staff that

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 2>you'd probably get to use some help. We know how

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three went. Twenty twenty four they had all

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 2>the injuries. We know how the wild card went. It

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 2>was over in about twenty four hours. Last year was

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 2>a disaster. In this year, despite all the things that

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>have gone wrong, despite all the injuries, they're having a

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 2>great season. They're twenty two games above five hundred, there

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 2>are eight games ahead of the Phillies in the division.

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Almost certainly going to win the East. Maybe not a guarantee,

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>but very likely to win the East. They're really in

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the mix for one of those top two protected seeds

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>in the national leagues. You don't have to play in

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 2>the wild card round. There were so many reasons to

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>push in some chips and to give yourself a chance,

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and to add another starter, and to do the things

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.399
<v Speaker 2>we talked about. They also didn't add a bat other

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>than Lane Thomas, and we talked about that on the show, like, hey,

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Dominic Smith has really been struggling for like three months now,

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 2>and there's no guarantee that Ronald Acuney Junior is going

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to stay healthy or that anybody's gonna get hurt, and

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 2>they didn't do that either. It's just so frustrating. It's

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a good roster, but I think in October the whole

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>on this roster are really going to rear themselves whenever

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it comes to playoff time. I sure hope I'm wrong.

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I hope we can look back on this and laugh.

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I genuinely, Brad, in three months, I hope we're talking

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 2>about the Braves won the World Series and we can

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:16.920
<v Speaker 2>look back at this episode and laugh at ourselves for

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>all of the concerns and my fifteen rants that I've had.

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>But I am just so concerned about the way the

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>playoffs play out. The Braves are not well set up

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>for how the postseason typically goes, and there was a

0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:33.840
<v Speaker 2>chance over the last couple of weeks to change that

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and to address it, and they did not, And that

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:41.160
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly frustrating as a fan, as somebody who does

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 2>multiple podcasts a week, I don't give my money to

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the Braves.

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not local.

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't spend my hard earn cash on tickets, but

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>if you're a season ticket holder, it's kind of a

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 2>smack in the face to you. You pour your thousands

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>of dollars into this team with tickets and merchandise and parking,

0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 2>go to the battery before and after? What did they do?

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.800
<v Speaker 2>They pocketed the jury and profile money. More or less,

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 2>they have not spent it in any way. They didn't

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.799
<v Speaker 2>add anybody in February. They didn't really add at the deadline.

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Everybody they acquired makes a couple million dollars with their

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 2>pro rated salaries, but they didn't go out and add

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 2>an impact guy who was owed a lot of money.

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 2>It's just it is such a shame. And I over

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the weekend, I just kept telling myself, they're gonna add

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna do it, They're gonna give this team a chance.

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:25.359
<v Speaker 2>And do they still have a chance, yes, but damn it,

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 2>it would be so much better if they would have,

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Like why, Alex, why would you not go and add

0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:34.360
<v Speaker 2>one starting pitcher to this team? Better than Tyler Malley

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.399
<v Speaker 2>and this entire podcast, the entire feel around the fan

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>base would be one point eighty if you would have

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>gone out and acquired anyone.

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do it, didn't do it. That's true. I

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.239
<v Speaker 1>am local. I don't go to Tonning games anymore because

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:51.879
<v Speaker 1>we covered the team and it's easier to be home.

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, everything you said right is right. And somebody

0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.839
<v Speaker 1>will undoubtedly say that we're not yelling enough because we're

0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 1>not just saying the F bomb for an hour, because

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be a bad podcast. We get probably get fired.

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.959
<v Speaker 1>I think we're pretty I think it's pretty clear refrustrated. Uh,

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And I do approach it differently. I've always say that.

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But people that know, like I cover the Hawks like

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>professionally in Atlanta Hawk Like I cover the Hawks basically

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>full time, and the Braves are a little bit different

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 1>than that. I'm still much more of a fan of

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the Hawk, of this the Braves than I am of

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the Hawks. The Hawks is a job at this point,

0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>but we do this. We try to be responsible, but

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we're we're still invested in the team, and we act

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like it on the podcast. So we may not always

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>agree with everything, even with each other, like we disagree.

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 1>It's that's part of the fun. Yeah, But yeah, I think,

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>but we're all we're all maddened by what happened and

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>really what didn't happen here, and uh, I mean we're

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>all still hoping that we feel not dumb. I think

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 1>everything we said here I stand by and will stand

0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:50.240
<v Speaker 1>by whether the Braves when the World's Series or not.

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>If the were't win the World Series in three months,

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I will still believe they had a bad they had

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a bad headline, of course. And then yeah, and then

0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and then one'll get yelled at because they'll be like, oh,

0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex is a genius. He knew he didn't need it.

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 1>The Braves just won the World Series anyway. And that's

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the part that's so fun because I remember, like you do,

0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one, people weren't very happy with Alex

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and then they won the World Series because everything went right.

0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's part of the fun.

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a results based business, all right, Scott. We will

0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 1>have more on this feed, I guarantee everyone, not only

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>from us, but I'm sure we'll get a Steven Tolbert

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Sean Coleman response to the deadline as well. It probably

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>will have some crossover to this one. But they have

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>their own thoughts that they'll be sharing. And then as

0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 1>we always do. We'll cover the games, we'll cover the injuries,

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll cover the news. We'll be here all the way through.

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 1>So please subscribe to Hammer Territory and we might have

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.480
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<v Speaker 1>at Scott Colon fifty five on Twitter, where I just

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 1>saw you tweeted during the podcast. Shame on you. We're

0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to do a podcast here. I'm Caring for Fashion podcast. Same.

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I was tweeting too, I was I was actually in

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a mat. I was actually at a Twitter fight with

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 1>someone during the podcast because I'm professional like that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>first try, and one more time. Subscribe, Tell your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and beyond. Expos to everybody. We definitely appreciate it and

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