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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: I'm good man. It's exciting. It's Thursday, Thursday night football.

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Speaker 1: We got a Jaguars in Cincinnati Bengals. But what should

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Speaker 1: And then we got a great weekend of football, like

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Speaker 1: And that's some other games. The Monday night game, I

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Speaker 1: like Scouts Feed is like the original. So we'll take

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Speaker 1: darn Cowboys and Chiefs run for Darnier two yards each game.

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Speaker 1: They don't. It doesn't matter, No, it doesn't matter because

428
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Speaker 1: it's a points league. And what happens is one offensive

429
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Speaker 1: play callers. It takes someone that is extraordinary to be

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Speaker 1: very patient with the running game, like they're only a

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Speaker 1: handful of teams that are okay living in the ring game.

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Speaker 1: One would be the Baltimore Ravens. They don't mind. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna give us the run. We'll take the run

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Speaker 1: all day, you know. And then who else maybe the

435
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Speaker 1: nine is But even with Kyle Shanahan, the running game

436
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Speaker 1: is to set up the big play in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: And because most of them want to use the threat

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Speaker 1: of the run so they can throw play action. If

439
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Speaker 1: you obliterate the quarterback and take away the play action,

440
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Speaker 1: it is frustrating to have to run the football over

441
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Speaker 1: and over and over again. As much as we may say,

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Speaker 1: hey man, they came a hundred for the yards of

443
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Speaker 1: controlling it, yes, but if you don't get the explosive plays, yeah,

444
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Speaker 1: you can't win. Our old buddy Buddy Brian Billy, who

445
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Speaker 1: used to come on the show from time to we're

446
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Speaker 1: always talking about what the toxic formula turnovers an explosive plays,

447
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Speaker 1: d J. That's where the game comes down to turning

448
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Speaker 1: the ball over and the explosive plays that you can generate.

449
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Speaker 1: And if you're not generating the explosive plays because it's

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Speaker 1: harder on the ground game to generate those explosives. You

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Speaker 1: have a top of time winning games winning this article.

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Speaker 1: By the way, finally I found Oliver Connelly's who wrote

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Speaker 1: this um and it's a read. Optional is the name

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Speaker 1: of the website, so look it up. Hat tip to

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Speaker 1: Oliver Connelly. It's a great article. Um, fascinating look at

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. I'll forward it to your book so

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Speaker 1: you can check it out. But it is, Uh, it's

458
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Speaker 1: interesting to just see how things take over the NFL

459
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Speaker 1: for a time, right, and then defense catches up, and

460
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Speaker 1: then you gotta evolve and go to the next thing. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's why we were talking to the day about innovating

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Speaker 1: with tempo. You know, can you inno eight with with

463
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Speaker 1: what you know, varying your tempo and different things, But

464
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Speaker 1: you've got to always be thinking of the next thing,

465
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Speaker 1: um or else they're gonna figure things out. And that's

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Speaker 1: why it kind of brings me to the other side

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Speaker 1: of this, which is the Chiefs. You know, Chiefs are

468
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Speaker 1: still scoring thirty points. I'm act like they're not. It's

469
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Speaker 1: not like they're you know, like terrible on offense. But

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Speaker 1: it's not quite where it was in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the efficiency. And I think they've got an adjustment to

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Speaker 1: make here. As they're start, they're gonna start seeing the

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Speaker 1: same thing every week. Yeah, it's funny because you talk

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Speaker 1: about the Kanna City Chiefs. That has always been the thing.

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Speaker 1: What are you willing to do? Um when they give

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Speaker 1: it to you? If teams are giving you the running game,

477
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Speaker 1: are you willing to be patient enough to continue to

478
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Speaker 1: take it? Moreover? Are you willing to say no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, We're gonna dictate the terms and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: flip it. You're not going to make us play a

481
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Speaker 1: certain way. We're going to find a way to flip

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Speaker 1: this so that we still can do what it is

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Speaker 1: that we want to do. And it's a challenge, and

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Speaker 1: it's a challenge for Andy Reid and those other guys.

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Speaker 1: How can I take advantage of those things? I think

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Speaker 1: one thing that you can do to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: the two high safety thing, I believe you need to

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Speaker 1: see the slow screen come back. Because everyone is so

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Speaker 1: conscious of taking the deep ball away. I think you

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Speaker 1: have to then be able to Okay, we're gonna drop back,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna fake this way. Look, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: send two or three lining out the back door. With

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Speaker 1: the back we're gonna dump into him, and we're basically

494
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Speaker 1: gonna screen you to death. Andy Reid used to be

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Speaker 1: so great with the screens, going back to Philadelphia, their

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Speaker 1: early days with Jamal Charles in Kansas City. The running

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Speaker 1: game in the screen game can be a bigger factor

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Speaker 1: to slow down those soft defenses because now it's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a kick return. I got a running back with

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Speaker 1: two or three guys leading, and I can do that.

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Speaker 1: This will be harder to generate the shot plays because

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Speaker 1: about and we saw that. We saw this last year.

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Speaker 1: DJ We saw this last year on a Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: We saw below. They were patient that day. They were

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Speaker 1: patient that day, but it still came down to the

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Speaker 1: very end. Came down to the very end. Buffalo park

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Speaker 1: the two safeties in the parking lot and did it.

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Speaker 1: And Buffalo just wasn't good enough on offense to make

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Speaker 1: it work. But they laid theyre so deceased too. All right,

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Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. And more teams you see it.

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Speaker 1: And when you have an off season to study the

512
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Speaker 1: Shanahan system, because so many of those disciples are all

513
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Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, it was a think tank. I'm

514
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Speaker 1: sure all these defense coordinators have gotten together and figured

515
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Speaker 1: out what's the best way to play, or they do

516
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Speaker 1: what some people do who has played well against these teams,

517
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Speaker 1: Brandon Day, they playing with light boxes. Let's copy what

518
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Speaker 1: they're doing and see if we can do what they're doing.

519
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Speaker 1: And that's that's what you're seeing. Another thing they talked

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Speaker 1: about in this article again, Um to make sure I

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Speaker 1: gave him proper credit here. Um that is Oliver Connelly

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Speaker 1: on read optional great article. Anyway, Steve talked a little

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Speaker 1: bit about, Um, you know, you see the single high safety,

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Speaker 1: which was the Seattle defense I saw, you know with

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Speaker 1: us Leaf with the chargers for all those years. Um,

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Speaker 1: is when you have that single high safety and you

527
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Speaker 1: go play action boot, not only do you have just

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Speaker 1: one deep middle defender off off the run action, that

529
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Speaker 1: second level gets sucked in. So now you've got the

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Speaker 1: space between a safety who plays very deep and that

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Speaker 1: in that scheme he's deep. You've got the linebackers who

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Speaker 1: have been sucked up towards the line of scrimmage, any

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Speaker 1: kind of crossers or over routes buck there's so much

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Speaker 1: there's so much space. So we're saying, basically, now teams

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Speaker 1: are are are with their linebackers playing against these types

536
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Speaker 1: of teams, is you're just scraping and playing over the top.

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Speaker 1: We're not attacking the line of scrimmage because if you

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Speaker 1: attack the line of scrimmage and they pull the ball,

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Speaker 1: there's too much there's too much free and open space

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Speaker 1: out there. I thought was fascinating. Man. Yeah, like, so

541
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Speaker 1: you slowly pull them dependon you're not being as aggressive

542
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Speaker 1: on that. You're spending all of your time in the

543
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Speaker 1: off season trying to figure out, Okay, how are we

544
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Speaker 1: playing these things? Uh dj I remember um watching teams

545
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Speaker 1: and playing on defenses where if they ran the boot

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Speaker 1: you would literally so if we go stretched to the

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Speaker 1: offensive right, boot to the left, the linebackers would move

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Speaker 1: to that way, and then they would turn and look up.

549
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Speaker 1: Instead of looking at the quarterback, they're turning their eyes

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Speaker 1: back to let's see if I can find the cross

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Speaker 1: the coming back so I can run. You spent all

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Speaker 1: your time working on that because the bootleg is such

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Speaker 1: a dangerous thing that when they get going, it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with the Shanahans. It's not just

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Speaker 1: the bootleg is the bootleg action stop and fire it

556
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Speaker 1: down the field for a fifty yard game. The explosive

557
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Speaker 1: plays are the ones that are that are killing you.

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's the deep over it's the thing.

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Speaker 1: But let's think about this. McVeigh started crushing people with

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Speaker 1: those things. Well, I mean Shanahan was doing it too.

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Speaker 1: Was that when he came to the Rams, when it

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Speaker 1: took off, he did. It's taken like three or four

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00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: years for the league, Yeah, catch up with it. So

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Speaker 1: now the funny thing will be for McVeigh and those

565
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Speaker 1: guys to now go back, go back and look at

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Speaker 1: tape from and see what was popular then and go

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Speaker 1: back to using that stuff. Because when I talked to him,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this guy a lot. But when I

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Speaker 1: talked to Dennis Thurman, Dennis Thurman played way back in

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Speaker 1: the heyday, the seventies and eighties. He talked about defending

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Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, who's one of the originators and some of

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Speaker 1: this deep over stuff personnel and all. Yeah, he said, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: he said, you spent your entire time trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out Okay, we know they're gonna through it. When is

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00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: it coming? And you had to have all these rules like, hey,

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Speaker 1: if they win a single high safety defense, they run

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Speaker 1: the deep over and the post safety you drive the

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Speaker 1: over backside corner, you go to the post. So the

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Speaker 1: other day we saw the forty nine is Jari Alexander's interception.

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Speaker 1: They were in quarters, but it was the same concept.

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Speaker 1: It was rolled the post, the safety drove over yards,

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Speaker 1: then it comes from the backside. It gets it off.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta spend your entire offseason working against those things.

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Speaker 1: If you wait the game week, you'll never get it right. Yeah,

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00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: that's fascinating man. Um Anyway, so I encourage again everybody

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Speaker 1: go check out article out, really really good job. That's

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00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: what's so cool about the meta right now. Used to

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Speaker 1: be you had what NFL dot com, ESPN dot com

589
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: and that was about it. Now there's so many different

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Speaker 1: outlets and people have access to the video. Um, So

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00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: hat tip to him. Good articles. It was a fun read.

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Speaker 1: All right. Right after this, we're gonna get into the

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Speaker 1: rams building philosophy and if it's going to be duplicated,

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Speaker 1: all right, Buck, I'm gonna give you the floor here.

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: The Rams have have bucked traditional thinking here and it's worked.

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00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Why don't you explain it? Yeah, it's it's work. DJ

597
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: like coming from our backgrounds when you come and so

598
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: everyone understands. There's a difference being a college scout in

599
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Speaker 1: a pro scout. When you're a college scout, you are

600
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: really fixated on the college game. You typically have a

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00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: mindset of I want to build my team, draft and developed.

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Speaker 1: I want to use all my lottery tickets on these prospects.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring them in, we're gonna develop them with

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Speaker 1: our great coaching staff, and this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a sustainable model that allows us to build a championship

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Speaker 1: team for the next decade. The l a Rams that

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Speaker 1: basically kicked dirt into that trend and said, like, that's

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Speaker 1: great that you've got all those lottery tickets. But what

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Speaker 1: I wanna do is I'm gonna go to the fair

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Speaker 1: and I have won all the games, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: cashing my lottery tickets for the big stuff bear. I

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Speaker 1: want the big bear that's hanging up at the top

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Speaker 1: of the thing. Oh but you know you can nope,

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Speaker 1: give me the big bear. I want the big bear

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna put it on and DJ where kids

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina like, you go to the fair with

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Speaker 1: your girlfriend and the only thing you want to do

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Speaker 1: is have the big Bear on the thing. So you

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Speaker 1: were like the cool dude, let's need and Sean mcbabe

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Speaker 1: must have gone to the fair a lot when they

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Speaker 1: were kids, because that is what they're doing. They're taking

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Speaker 1: all those lottery tickets from winning all those games, putting

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Speaker 1: the ping pong balls and the gold fish bowl, uh,

624
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Speaker 1: the rings around, the rings around the coke bottle, the

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Speaker 1: basketball toss, the water gun, the water gun on the

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Speaker 1: horse with the clown. They're taking all of those tickets

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Speaker 1: and they're casting them in for um the Big Bear.

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Speaker 1: And the big Bear is this players over picks rather

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Speaker 1: than expending first round picks ont prospects because I think

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Speaker 1: our old guy Charlie CASSII, Okay, they get NFL media

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Speaker 1: used to talk about the fifty like it's about first

632
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Speaker 1: round fifty or so a first round picks. They're saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't worry about the picks. We're gonna go get

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Speaker 1: the proven players. So they go and trade and get

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Speaker 1: a Jalen Ramsey, proven All Pro player. They give up

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Speaker 1: first round picks and all that stuff and the money

637
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Speaker 1: to get the money. We got one of the best,

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Speaker 1: can do it. Oh you know, we like Jerry Golf,

639
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and that's cool. We draft and developed him. But look

640
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: at the show. Look at that big old bear over there,

641
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: like Matthew Stafford bear and he even has like the hey, yeah,

642
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: we'll give you Jerry Golf and some first round picks.

643
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna get the big Bear and Matthew Stafford. So

644
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: now what you're looking at is a team with Aaron

645
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Donnald who was draft and developed, they resigned or whatever.

646
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: But now you're looking at a team that on paper,

647
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: we're like, man, that is a really top heavy team.

648
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: If they have an injury, what happens, Well, if they

649
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: don't have an injury, they have better players than you

650
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: have and it becomes a problem because they're a level

651
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: talent is extraordinary. The only thing I would say that

652
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: this when it comes to the draft, though, is this

653
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: is really where you have to have an outstanding scouting staff,

654
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: because you're scouting staff has to find wins in the third, fourth, fifth, six,

655
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: seventh rounds, and that is what they've been able to do.

656
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: They've been able to supplement. They're A level talents with

657
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of lower draft picks that are playing at

658
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: a high level. And I'm not saying all those draft

659
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: picks because Ben Jefferson was a two, Cooper Cup was

660
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: a two or three. I think, um some of the

661
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: other guys have been later round picks that are having

662
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: success and that has given them a model that when

663
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: you look at them, you're like, man, they're very talented,

664
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: and if they're A level talents play at that level.

665
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean they are problematic in basketball terms. I would

666
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: call them their team that has built like the Brooklyn Nets,

667
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: and we have seen when the Brooklyn Nets are healthy,

668
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: they can go to the toe. I know the Bill

669
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hear this, but if Kyrie Irvan doesn't

670
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: get hurt, walking Bucks never win a title because the

671
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets were having their way with the Bucks because

672
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: they were more they were more talented. But it is

673
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: a model that I'm keeping an eye on because I

674
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: do think it's fascinating to see how they've given up

675
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: these draft picks and really focus on getting players. So

676
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I want to hit on this because you just said, Okay,

677
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: you don't have the ones, which they're gonna end up

678
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: going seventh eight years without a first round pick, which

679
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: is crazy, right, Um, but I want you to think

680
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: about it this way. If we think about it in

681
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: terms of money, right, if you say a first round

682
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: pick is worth a dollar, okay, second round picks were

683
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: seventy five cents, third round picks worth fifty cents, fourth

684
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: round pick is worth a quarter. What they've done because

685
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: you said it, not you, we've got to be able

686
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: to hit on those, you know, second, third, fourth round picks.

687
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: They've given themselves more shots at those picks. So when

688
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: you look at this last year, they didn't have a one,

689
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: they had a two, three, They had three fours, so

690
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: that's seventy five cents. They might not have a dollar

691
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: for the first round pick, but they've got three quarters.

692
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: So you know, you hit on one of those, you're

693
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, now your your math changes. So then we

694
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: go back to No. One. Right, Well, they got two twos,

695
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: so that's seventy five cents and seventy five cents, so

696
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that like the drop off is not like huge. And

697
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: then uh, that year they also had two threes. Two

698
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, they had no one, but they had a

699
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: too they had three three ease two thousand eighteen, there's

700
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: no one. They had a three, They had no one

701
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: or two, but they had a three. And then they

702
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: got two fords, they got two fives, they got three sixes.

703
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: Like so, in other words, just give me, just give

704
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: me more bites at more give me more bites at

705
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: the apple there. So in essence, what you're telling me is,

706
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm giving up some of them. I'm giving up the

707
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: big goal, a lottery tickets. I'm getting back to pink ones.

708
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: So I'm getting back to pink ones that I can't

709
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: qualify for the big Bear. But what I may be

710
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: able to do is get the souvenir cup. So they're

711
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: getting a bunch of souvenir cups and and things to

712
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: leave as a constellation price. But what they're doing is

713
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: they're beginning to get two or three cups that they

714
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: didn't trade in for maybe another big bear down the line.

715
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: But they are. And it's funny because people talk about

716
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Johnson model, like, you know, we're talking about

717
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: the trade chart and all those other things, but when

718
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: you listen to Jimmy Johnson talk, he said, well, all

719
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: these things are are alike, like I want more bites

720
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: at the apple because Zach Thomas is a fifth round pick.

721
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: But if I just I just want to keep swinging,

722
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: I just want to take cuts at at bat see.

723
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: I think I think you get in trouble when you're

724
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: trading your your first and second round picks and then

725
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I got one third round pick, one

726
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, and now it's like, I can't I

727
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: have to hit, like I can't afford to miss on

728
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: any of these. They've given themselves a little margin for

729
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: error with these books. But DJ, we've talked about this

730
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: like numerous having particularly a path of the draft as

731
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: as as it's leading up. All you have to do

732
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: to accumulate more of those things is Okay, if I

733
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: have a two and I trade back, give me a three.

734
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: So now I've gone from one three to two threes.

735
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: And okay, let's take that second three and trade back.

736
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: So now give me a couple of fours or give

737
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: me a couple, and then you partly impact like hey,

738
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll give you two six is to move up and

739
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: get a five. There are ways that you can manipulate it,

740
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: because we do from one year to the next do

741
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it from like, hey, this year, you want my you

742
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: want my three, give me your two next year. Done done, simple, simple.

743
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: We've seen the Seattle Seahawks going to a draft with

744
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: four picks and by the end of the day they

745
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: have eight to ten picks because they're swapping them out.

746
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: So they're ways to do it. I think now what

747
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: you're seeing as we have a younger trend towards general managers.

748
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: General managers are not as afraid to trade and swap

749
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: out and be aggressive and creative in terms of how

750
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: they do uh the ammunition on draft day. So I'm

751
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned the Seahawks. So this would be my

752
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: one point there is that they traded the two ones

753
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: right for Jamal Adams. But if you look at last

754
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: year buck they had they had a second round pick,

755
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, a sixth round pick. They had

756
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: three picks last year. They need more picks, They need

757
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: more picks. So that's the difference. I would say the

758
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Rams have acquired these star players and then they did

759
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: at least this last year. You saw the evidence of

760
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: them get more bites at the apple. I think it's dangerous.

761
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: I think it's dangerous when you are trading first round picks,

762
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: and you can't have a draft with three picks, like

763
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you can't you see, Here's here's what I would say

764
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: that might have influenced their thinking because in the past

765
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: they had success with undrafted free agents that maybe you

766
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: fall into the trap of always, fine, we'll find some

767
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: undrafted but last year was the worst undrafted free agent

768
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: year we've ever had. Were those guys made the team

769
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: than ever and like going back to like the nineties, right,

770
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: and so when speaking to their mindset, because during their heyday,

771
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: you remember their hey day when they were the legion

772
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: of boom and they were winning. They had a tremendous

773
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: amount of success with the Doug Baldwins and the undrafted

774
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: guys they were able to make the team. And sometimes

775
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: that influences or kind of clouds your mind when you

776
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: think about the undrafted free agent pool. But I think

777
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: you are maybe onto something in terms of no, no no, no,

778
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: We're okay giving up the first rounders, but if we

779
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: can acquire multiple ones, multiple picks in later rounds, that

780
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: gives us an opportunity to make sure that we fortify

781
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: the depth, and it gives us an opportunity to maybe

782
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: hit the lot of some of those later round picks.

783
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: And I remember Brad Holmes leaving to get the general

784
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: manager's job with the Detroit Lions. I think that's two threes, right,

785
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: so you get one three last year and one three

786
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: next year. So, um, those helped too. Now, those certainly

787
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: help man. There was I can't remember a long time ago,

788
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: there was a study that talked about the difference between

789
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: first rounds and second rounds in like from an analytical thing,

790
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: it was proven that it wasn't a huge difference in

791
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: terms of production. I think it's split. I think it's split.

792
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: I think that like if you lop off the top

793
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: ten of the first round and then you compared like

794
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: eleven to the end of the second round, I don't

795
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: think there's as much difference between that group, you know,

796
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so you have to know no yet.

797
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: And I think for the Rams, I don't know if

798
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: the Rams have been trading off those kinds of first

799
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: round picks. They're all late ones. So they're late ones.

800
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: And we talked about maybe in the draft true first

801
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: round picks maybe eighteen to twenty two players. The rest

802
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: of those guys are right on the line when it

803
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: m are they really genuine blue chip players? And if

804
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: they're not, that's where the variances are. Yeah. I think,

805
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: like I think, if you looked at the the the

806
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: hit rate is way higher than fifty. When you're probably

807
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: looking at the top twenty picks. You know, the MS

808
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: is in the first round. Traditionally they're gonna more likely

809
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: come towards the back end, and there's no differ. Yeah,

810
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: I think Charlie, I think he told me he can't

811
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: make it, told me like the first round it drops

812
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: down to fifty. Maybe in the second round. But um,

813
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: there is something that you just that you have to

814
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: like about that stuff, no doubt. Um, all right, let's uh,

815
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: let's keep things rolling here, Tom Brady and uh going

816
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: back to the Patriots here. I know every show in

817
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: America is talking about this. You know, it's probably the

818
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: whole show for the majority of people. Um, we don't

819
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: need to do that, but just kind of your your

820
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: your takeaways here on what this looks like. Mm hmm.

821
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: This is interesting, right, This is interesting because like there's

822
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna there's so many so proper in those things coming first,

823
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it from Bill Belichick standpoint, and the

824
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: Patriots if you're Bill Belichick and you have twenty years

825
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: to watch your quarterback play, you see him every day

826
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and practice, you've seen him in all the games. I

827
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: have to believe that you can build a game plan

828
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: that you you know him, You know him, you know

829
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: how he thinks, you know what he doesn't like. You

830
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: know it gives him problems because you sat in the

831
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: office and helped him work through some of the issues

832
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: that other teams present. So from a game plan perspective,

833
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots can certainly put together a plan

834
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: that can give Brady some problems based on where he

835
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: is and those things. The issue that you have, I

836
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: don't know if you're good enough to execute it, because

837
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: the game plan is not just from a defensive standpoint,

838
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: but also from an offensive standpoint. Can you play complimentary

839
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: ball and do those things? And so I think this

840
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: could be a game where Brady may not play great,

841
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: but his team is better. Is his team is better

842
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: around him, and that might give him a chance. But

843
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know it's really person But I think he

844
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: can create a game plan to make it hard. I

845
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: just don't know if you have in the bullets in

846
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: the gun to make it work. Okay, I'm gonna give you,

847
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: uh my analogy here on this game. But so let's

848
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: say you're on a high school team. Right, You've got

849
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: your two best players on the high school team. High

850
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: school basketball team. Okay, so you know these guys are

851
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: really competitive, you've won championships together. You know, one A

852
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: and one B, and like, man, who is who is

853
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: more responsible for this? Is A? Or B? Who's the

854
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: guy who? You know? They debated around the school, around

855
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: the campus, and then then all of a sudden, they

856
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: get together. Coach gets together and said, you know, we're

857
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna settle this thing once and for all. Bring the

858
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: whole basketball team in there, and they say, okay, player A,

859
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: you're the captain of this team. Player B, you're the

860
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: captain of the other team. We're gonna have a game

861
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out whose team wins determines who's better.

862
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Okay? Uh? Player A, you get the

863
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: first five picks, You go ahead, pick all, you get

864
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: to pick your first five teammates. And then player B

865
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: you get the sixth pick and you get to see

866
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: so we're gonna wait, wait a second, how can we

867
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: find out who's better when that guy gets the first

868
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: he gets the five best players, and I got to

869
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: make that I get the sixth best player, Like, I'm

870
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: not a fair Like if you had a draft of

871
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: the players between the Patriots and the Bucks and we

872
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: went twenty two deep, you might have sixteen seventeen Bucks

873
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: and five four or five Patriots. That's the truth. I mean,

874
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: that's what uh. Bill Belichick is definitely going to the

875
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: gunfight with a butter knife. He does not he does

876
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: not have enough. He does not have enough. This will

877
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: be if he's able to do it, it will have

878
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: to be one of the more masterful scheme jobs that

879
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: he's ever done in a regular season Like he is

880
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: going to have to, I mean, really manipulate the xs

881
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: and ohs to make this work because player for player

882
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: their inferior to the Tampaire Buccaneers. Yeah, I mean Antonio

883
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: Brown comes back. DJ. We saw it when Antonio Brown

884
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: played that that first week. We have Antonio Brown, Mike Evans,

885
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: Chris Guy when grabbing a Kowski. It's a problem. It's

886
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: a problem the matchup. And I like J. C. Jackson

887
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: and some of the other guys that have in the

888
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: back in, but it's a problem because there's a weak

889
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: link somewhere there that they have a faithful advantage. Then

890
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: you think about the offensive line in front of Tom Brady.

891
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: That offensive line is pretty pretty salty and solid. I

892
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: don't know who the Patriots. Who's the Patriots pass rushers

893
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: that's going to win consistently to make Tom Brady uncomfortable?

894
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: So is this a coverage game where you're gonna drop

895
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: back and say, okay, well, rush three will drop eid

896
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: and we'll just cover them up and maybe we'll get

897
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: home on these coverage sacks and those things. That's it's tough.

898
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: But then when we flip it, DJ, who's the guy

899
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: that scares you on the Patriots offense? Let me ask

900
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: you this, Let me put it to this way. Let

901
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: me ask you this question. Would one of the Patriots

902
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: defensive lineman start for the Tampa Bay Bucks? No? Would

903
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: one of the New England Patriots wide receivers start for

904
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks. No. We're saying it's a quarterback

905
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: pass rush league. Right, we know Tom and Max is

906
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: not a fair fight. Men, Just where Mack is in

907
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: his career is not a fair fight. Now, Tom's got

908
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: way better receivers and he doesn't have to go up

909
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: against the pass rest that Max is gonna have to

910
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: go up against. So, I mean, Bill Belichick have to

911
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: have the greatest freaking game plan of all time if

912
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: he wins this game, he's gonna have to dig so

913
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: deep in the satchel to pull this one out. I mean,

914
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: like really deep to put Oh, by the way, any

915
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: of those linebackers, I mean they've got some solid players,

916
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Matt Judon, high Tower Van Oi, solid players. They don't

917
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: start for the Bucks. No, were you taking off the field? No?

918
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, the only advantage I would say is the

919
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: Patriots secondary in most instances. But then yeah, I give

920
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: their secondary of the edge, but it's not but facing

921
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: the secondary is not facing the secondary, which is a problem.

922
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: And so I know, yeah and I and I would

923
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: say I think the Tampa secondary matches up better with

924
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: the New England wide receivers than uh than the Patriots

925
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: secondary matches up with the Bucks wide receivers. So right

926
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: now we've said we haven't found any advantage for the

927
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Patriots in the margins. We haven't found the no advantage.

928
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just the way Belichick likes it, because

929
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: if if the New England Patriots win this game. There's

930
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: only one guy to point to DJ. That's it. That's

931
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: that's He will have to have one of the best

932
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: game claims that he has ever produced in a regular

933
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: season game to win this, like, because I don't know how.

934
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what he can come up with to do, honestly,

935
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: like from a defensive standpoint, because I'm I'm looking at

936
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: them and I'm looking at the wet like challenge a

937
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: challenge you. I'm sure, I'm sure there's Patriot fans are

938
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: listen to us, and they're human. Right now, do the exercise.

939
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Get you, get your buddy and sit down and say

940
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft between these two rosters and draft get

941
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: to the number twenty to and add up how many

942
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: bucks versus Patriot players. You have a teacher, I don't know.

943
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: That's where I am on this old game man. Yeah,

944
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: so it is. It is definitely that Like, Okay, a

945
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: player eight, you get the first five pigs. What, Yeah, yeah,

946
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: I think Mike Evans give me Vida Veta, I'll take

947
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll take Shack Barrett and JPP. Okay, you pick one. Yeah, Like,

948
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really hard and so there's a lot

949
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: to be blown. And I think that the entire conversation

950
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: has been unfair because what the Patriots did together with

951
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, it's different. It's different teams.

952
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: They did different teams the three to day one the

953
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: first part of two thousand, then they come back and

954
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: win the final different teams. The team was constructed completely

955
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: different differently, and I think both guys have to take

956
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: credit for their roles in it. The first three was

957
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: more of the run game, defense, com mentory ball, tom

958
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: Brady just getting manage it. At the end, Tom Brady

959
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: had a bigger say in it. Tom Brady the offense

960
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: and those things. And so I, man, I look, I

961
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: think you have to get both guys credit for what

962
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: they did. But this doesn't settle into that twenty years stuff.

963
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: But it's that pick up basketball game that we're talking about. Man,

964
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: we will roll out the balls and it's not fair.

965
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: Figured out coach, coach? Is it here? We go ahead?

966
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: That's it up? Check, Yeah, this is this is This

967
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: is a tough one. That is what it is. Man,

968
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: anything else you want to add before we get out

969
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: of here? Buck? No, Man, I think we covered a

970
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of ground. I think this is one of the

971
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: best conversations in terms of all the other stuff sharing

972
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: and system talking about the Rams and then Tom Brady

973
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: is awesome pickup basketball team. Oh my gosh if this

974
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: was intermal ball in college. Man, he's done it. That's

975
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: it at all. That's it life. Life ain't fair, life

976
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: think fair. Good luck mac Man. If they go out

977
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: and get it, though, I'll tip my Seattle cracking hat

978
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: to Coach Belichick if they win this one. Uh yeah, this, this, this,

979
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: that would be enough that right there? You enough if

980
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: you get a gold jacket. If they're able to affoid

981
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: this one off, just put the jacket on him as

982
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: he walks. As Belichick walks off the field, David Baker

983
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: should be running behind him to put the gold jacket

984
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: over his shoulders. Yeah, first half of the coach to

985
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: get a gold jacket. All right, that's gonna do it

986
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: for us today. I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

987
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Be sure to check out the TV show, uh every Monday,

988
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: three pm. Ether and that's to move the stick show

989
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: and go ahead and just just tebow it. If you don't,

990
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be around you at work that day. Uh.

991
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Set it up. Recording and you can catch it later. Um,

992
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of fun. We've enjoyed it. Appreciate

993
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us. Will catch you next time.

994
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Speaker 1: Right here on move. The sticks were hat