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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Mac, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel, and I am Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: Of course, we hope and that makes this stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. That was great. Wow, the warble,

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Speaker 1: it's real. No, you've got some pipes on you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as well, Matt. You guys both have fantastic singing voices,

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Speaker 1: asked me to sing evert uh. So we're recording today's

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Speaker 1: episode in April. What are we talking about? What? What

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Speaker 1: the manner in which these people interact with one another. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the way if you're at a congressional hearing or something,

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Speaker 1: And no offense to New Hampshire. Uh. What what we're

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Speaker 1: this election cycle it's floated back down to around fifcent.

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Speaker 1: This is the Democratic National Committees superdelegates. Now these superdelegates are,

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Speaker 1: at least in theory, meant to be uncommitted to anyone candidate.

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Speaker 1: What they are supposed to do is UH side with

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Speaker 1: whichever candidate gets the most popular votes. Right. So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: in this case, Noel Brown gets the majority of votes

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Speaker 1: against his opponent, and give us an opponent from the

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Speaker 1: office that people recognize. Oh, Jonathan Strickland. The rivalry has

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Speaker 1: got into politics. I see, so Jonathan received slightly fewer votes.

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Speaker 1: But what happens in practice would be, although these super

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Speaker 1: delegates are required to vote for Noel Brown, being that

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Speaker 1: being the clear winner of the percentage of popular votes,

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Speaker 1: maybe they say, you know what, though, I fully support

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Speaker 1: Jonathan strickland sandwich policy, and I'm going to vote my

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Speaker 1: conscience because darn it, hot dog, it's not a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Don't want them sold in the same place. I don't

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Speaker 1: want them next each other on a plate. Cats and

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00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: dogs sleeping together. America's downfall is named Noel Brown. So

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Speaker 1: these super delegates can still vote in a different UH,

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Speaker 1: in a different manner to which they are supposed to vote,

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Speaker 1: and we have examples of this. So a particularly good

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Speaker 1: example of this came from c Q dot com an

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Speaker 1: article that we found UM and the example is Walter Mondale.

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Speaker 1: So in in San Francisco super delegates UM furnish the

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Speaker 1: difference in the fight between Walter Mondale and Gary Hart

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Speaker 1: of Colorado, who was a Senator from Colorado. UM. Coming

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Speaker 1: into the convention, Mondale was way ahead, clear lead in

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Speaker 1: pledge delegates, but the two got roughly the same number

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Speaker 1: of popular votes. And this is you know, where the

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Speaker 1: delegates are supposed to step in and you know, vote

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Speaker 1: along with the popular vote. But when the primary ended

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Speaker 1: in June, Mondale ended up with not quite enough of

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Speaker 1: the delegates needed to get the nomination. So he made

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Speaker 1: a series of phone calls to uncommitted super delegates. And

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Speaker 1: you can do this these people, you know who these

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Speaker 1: people are. You can actually reach out of these people.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of creepy to me. So Mondale actually

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Speaker 1: made calls, direct calls to the uncommitted super delegates, and

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Speaker 1: he was able to make that push over the cliff.

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Speaker 1: He won just enough to get it done. So analysts

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Speaker 1: UM now look at this as a great example and

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Speaker 1: it's proof positive that super delegates don't reverse the will

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Speaker 1: of the people. They provide a margin of winning margin. However, however,

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Speaker 1: Gary Hart disagrees because he says that many of these

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Speaker 1: super delegates had already committed or pledged themselves to Mondale.

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Speaker 1: And he says, you when they have a dance card,

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Speaker 1: like how do you commit? Like what I don't understands,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, man, you burn the stage, you walk

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Speaker 1: around the circle three times? Wittersian's no, they they have.

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Speaker 1: They said they pledged to Mondale before this began. Like

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Speaker 1: when no takebacks like yeah, we we have. This is

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Speaker 1: all just democratics, This is just democratic stuff. But we

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good quote here. This is from heart.

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Speaker 1: He says, between June and July, my wife and I

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Speaker 1: personally called all of the super delegates, and over and

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Speaker 1: over again they would tell us, I'm sorry, I wish

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Speaker 1: I could vote for you, but I pledged a Mondale

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Speaker 1: back in January. And this happens, Well, something like this

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Speaker 1: happens with the Republican National Committee. You might say, are

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Speaker 1: their super delegates on that side. Yes, In fact, there

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Speaker 1: are three for each state. They're the three official members

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Speaker 1: of the National Party, the state's national party, the state

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Speaker 1: level version. They account for or maybe seven percent of

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Speaker 1: the total delicate count. So according to gop dot com

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Speaker 1: and the RNC rules from these super delegates have to

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Speaker 1: vote for the candidate that their state chose, yes, unless

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Speaker 1: something crazy happens that we've been hearing a lot lately

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Speaker 1: in the news, like what which would be a brokered convention?

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Speaker 1: Or sometimes it's called a contested convention, which is slightly different,

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Speaker 1: or an open convention. All three are slightly different, but

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Speaker 1: the big one here is a brokered convention. Broke it down? Now,

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Speaker 1: this would be let's just go ahead and put it

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Speaker 1: out there. Let's bring out the elephant in the room

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Speaker 1: in response to the media arc, shall we say, rise

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Speaker 1: of a certain New York billionaire that that very well

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Speaker 1: could be the reason that you said elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so what's the deal? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that this he shall not be named,

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Speaker 1: you know, has been doing a pretty fine job of

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Speaker 1: getting the popular vote. So where's the where where does

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Speaker 1: the contesting come in? So a brokered convention occurs when

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Speaker 1: either side either party, when the candidates don't reach a

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Speaker 1: certain number of delegates pledged to delegates. So on the

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Speaker 1: Republican side, they need one thousand, two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: seven pledged delegates. On the Democratic side, they need two thousand,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty three delegates and if no one

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Speaker 1: has that, as as Matt said, then the convention becomes brokered.

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Speaker 1: And what that means is that those delegates who had

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Speaker 1: the pledge, who had pledged to a different candidate, are

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Speaker 1: released from their obligation for crabs. Yeah. Yeah, they're single

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Speaker 1: and ready to mingle. Right, has this happened in recent time?

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time. I think the fifty I

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Speaker 1: want to say it was in the fifties and four

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Speaker 1: maybe it was the last May juror broker convention. We're

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Speaker 1: in an interesting time now where we're seeing clearly the

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Speaker 1: establishment and the Republican side does not like Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: because he is sort of his own you know, entity,

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Speaker 1: doesn't really play by their rules. And so I've been

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Speaker 1: hearing all this talk of broker conventions, but yet he

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Speaker 1: just seems to be doing absurdly well. So I just

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Speaker 1: don't see how it's very likely that that would happen, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of individual voters are voting in a way

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Speaker 1: that members of the Republican establishment or party don't agree with,

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Speaker 1: you know, and there's a there's a fracture within that which,

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Speaker 1: you know, these kind of fractures occur whenever you have

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Speaker 1: a group of a lot of people pushing for a

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Speaker 1: decision where there you know, a highlander thing where there

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Speaker 1: can only be one. Yeah. I guess what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is it doesn't seem like the point of a broker

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Speaker 1: convention is uh, in the event that the people choose

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Speaker 1: a candidate, the Republican establishment doesn't like yeah, like, that's

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Speaker 1: not what it's designed for. It's not some sort of

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Speaker 1: fail safe so that the Republican you know, establishment can

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Speaker 1: be like who who whoa whoa whoa? Of course, of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, not the situation. I think it's interesting that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing this. Well, there's layout and there's a great

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Speaker 1: quote from the Brookings Institution that that addresses the weakness

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Speaker 1: in the system here quote. Because the primaries get so

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Speaker 1: much attention, people often forget that in the end, it

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Speaker 1: is the delegates who award a presidential candidate denomination, not

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Speaker 1: unquote there just for a moment, not us, not the people.

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Speaker 1: But here's the rub here, guys. Uh, These delegates, these

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Speaker 1: people who are representing the popular vote, they are only

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Speaker 1: bound by their own political aspirations, right, So they're elected

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Speaker 1: by people in their local area. Uh. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: let's say they choose to vote against the will of

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Speaker 1: the people, there will probably be repercussions when they return

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Speaker 1: home from Cleveland or wherever they are at the convention.

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Speaker 1: So really they only have to think about how how

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Speaker 1: do I move forward politically if I decided to vote

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Speaker 1: my way instead of the people's way. Says vote for

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Speaker 1: me and I will make you Secretary of the Interior.

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Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that. Yeah. The weird thing

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Speaker 1: is that it isn't outright illegal within the party rules

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Speaker 1: to essentially bribe a delegate if there is a brokered convention,

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Speaker 1: to to go out and convince, like as a candidate yourself,

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Speaker 1: whereas the you know, the group of people representing the

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Speaker 1: candidate go out and convince delegates once they've all been released,

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Speaker 1: that hey, you should vote for me, and here's why.

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Speaker 1: And so I have a quick hypothetical question for you. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's say the three of us are delegates, We're at

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Speaker 1: a brokered convention. We went there to support candidate A,

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Speaker 1: but candidate B comes to us and says, hey, you

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Speaker 1: should really vote for me and slides across an envelope

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Speaker 1: on a table just like this. What has to be

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Speaker 1: in that envelope for you to go against all of

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Speaker 1: the people in your hometown? Real big number, how big

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Speaker 1: we're talking. I don't know, man, I had to be

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Speaker 1: in the situation, you know, I mean, I got you,

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Speaker 1: But no, I'm just giving. I'm I'm countering your hypothetical

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Speaker 1: with my own hypothetical, you know, to touche indeed, So

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Speaker 1: go on, Well, I guess what I What I mean

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Speaker 1: is that if you're some a delegate who has been elected,

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Speaker 1: who knows what your job is, what you do, how

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Speaker 1: much money you make. But if somebody comes to you

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Speaker 1: and offers you, let's say it's a significant sum to

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Speaker 1: switch your vote, I mean I I can see it

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Speaker 1: being a pretty easy decision to say, oh yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's that's how all go. Or to Ben's

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Speaker 1: previous point, what if it was a pretty cushy, you know,

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Speaker 1: cabinet position or something. I think influence probably carries more

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Speaker 1: than money. Agreed. But but to back back to the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, where the only repercussions for not voting correctly

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Speaker 1: would be political fallout, right, So would you be shielded

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Speaker 1: from that? I mean, you know, like you would you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you be considered a pariah at that point in

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Speaker 1: the political system. Where do you burn those bridges because

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Speaker 1: you're getting offered a line to somewhere else? It isn't

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Speaker 1: it that wouldn't it be super obvious? Though I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I I think we need to go back. I

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Speaker 1: need to go back and look at this stuff and see,

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Speaker 1: like historically if it's happened, because I don't know right now.

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Speaker 1: It scares the hell out of me. Honestly, the whole

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Speaker 1: system is very fraught with peril if you write opportunities

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Speaker 1: for gaming. We also have some examples of alleged primary

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Speaker 1: system Shenanigan. So the proceedings of conventions follow what are

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Speaker 1: called the Roberts Rules of Order. UH. This complex set

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Speaker 1: of formalities was created by a guy named Henry Martin

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Speaker 1: Robert in a book published in eighteen seventies six. If

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Speaker 1: you have ever had the immense pleasure, the heart stopping

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Speaker 1: edge of your seat thrill of watching c SPAN and

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Speaker 1: what it happened upon a congressional hearing, you've seen something

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Speaker 1: like the US before. So during the convention, the first

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Speaker 1: vote is all about credentials. It uh. It establishes which

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Speaker 1: group of people will be seated convention and therefore get

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Speaker 1: to vote. So in the nineteen seventy two Democratic Convention,

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Speaker 1: the anti mcgovernment forces mounted to famous credentials challenges. Had

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Speaker 1: his opponents won these challenges, delegates who are not loyal

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Speaker 1: to McGovern would have been seated and had the right

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Speaker 1: to vote. As it happened, the anti mcgoverned forces lost

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Speaker 1: both challenges and Senator George McGovern won the nomination. That's

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Speaker 1: weird to think about, right, the vote of credentials. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. To me, that's so strange and outdated, it seems,

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Speaker 1: but maybe it still makes sense when you're inside the system.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that's the thing about tradition, man uh.

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Speaker 1: In some ways there's a proportional relationship, Like the more

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Speaker 1: irrelevant or outdated a tradition comes, the more people prize it,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then their second vote

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Speaker 1: will be about the rules under which the convention will operate.

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Speaker 1: And this happens every time they have a convention. Both

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Speaker 1: the d n C and r n C UH prepare

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Speaker 1: drafts of this, but just before the conventions, there's an

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Speaker 1: internal Conventions Rules Committee vote on the rules that get

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Speaker 1: sent to the convention. I know this is confused, it

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm saying the word convention like every third

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Speaker 1: wording here. But this Convention Rules Committee, or I'll just

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Speaker 1: call it the CRC, is generally controlled by forces loyal

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Speaker 1: to various candidates. So in nineteen seventy six, Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: wage a rules fight in his attempt to deny President

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Speaker 1: Gerald Ford the Republican nomination, and Ted Kennedy did a

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Speaker 1: similar thing when he wanted to deny President Jimmy Carter,

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Speaker 1: uh the you know, victory at the convention. Both times

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Speaker 1: those guys lost. But it's interesting to see how you

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Speaker 1: can essentially use the rules, these vast crazy rules that

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Speaker 1: exist within these conventions, kind of bend them if you

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Speaker 1: want to, or at least attempt to get your way

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Speaker 1: and go around all of the election processes themselves. So

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Speaker 1: what are the pros and cons of primaries? Well, it

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Speaker 1: seems to me that um the winner ultimately in these

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Speaker 1: reindeer games. To borrow a quote from you and a

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Speaker 1: popular Christmas song, um, oh it's I think. There's also

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Speaker 1: a film called Reindeer that's true. I didn't really, I think,

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Speaker 1: have much to do with reindeer. I think I just

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Speaker 1: had to place in the snow or something. And anyway,

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Speaker 1: and the parties, the parties, parties, party all the time.

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Speaker 1: Party over here, party over there with a capital with

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Speaker 1: your hands in the air, you know. And there are

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Speaker 1: only two large parties in the current in the current

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Speaker 1: political climate of the US. Now, that's why I say

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Speaker 1: other parties don't exist. They're libertarian parties, they're green parties.

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Speaker 1: There are socialist parties, right, but you're not going to

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Speaker 1: see them really swinging, uh, really not getting anything out

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Speaker 1: of the park. Right. When it comes down to it,

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Speaker 1: odds are overwhelmingly likely that uh, there will be a

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Speaker 1: Democrat or a Republican in office. And we are in

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Speaker 1: a pretty interesting time right now where we are seeing

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Speaker 1: some pretty serious divisions within the two parties, some very

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Speaker 1: serious um kind of problems facing them in terms of uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, being considered um legitimate, I guess is the

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Speaker 1: word i' leaving. I mean there, we were definitely far,

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Speaker 1: far far away from having another viable party. But there

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Speaker 1: have been so many little moments this the cycle within

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, for example, where they have this what

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Speaker 1: many would have called a fringe candidate rising up in

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Speaker 1: the ranks and basically wiping all of their other picks

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Speaker 1: off of the map, just mopping the floor with And

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Speaker 1: a similar thing happened in Democratic parties because Sanders would

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Speaker 1: be considered, I guess by it's difficult because he's been

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Speaker 1: in government service for a long time, right, so he's

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Speaker 1: not exactly an outside It's still kind of a dark

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Speaker 1: horse in terms of coming in in the final hour

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Speaker 1: and just you know, rising to the point that honestly

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Speaker 1: Obama did back when he ran against Clinton the first time,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he is I just can't imagine the

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Speaker 1: way the Clinton campaign was looking at that's like not again,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I mean the way it looks now,

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Speaker 1: it looks like that's not gonna happen. But there was

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of contention within the Democratic Party where

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Speaker 1: the chairman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who had been involved with

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Speaker 1: the Clinton campaign, looked to be showing some favoritism towards

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Speaker 1: Clinton over Sanders. And there, you know, was the whole

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Speaker 1: lawsuit where they had deprived the Sanders campaign of their

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Speaker 1: voter records or like there you know, the data that

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Speaker 1: was rightfully their's and Sanders actually had to sue that

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Speaker 1: the d n C and then they ultimately got them back.

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Speaker 1: But I just think it's interesting. It almost seems like

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Speaker 1: this system is starting to fail these parties, and we're

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Speaker 1: sort of seeing the result of the the scene exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're sort of starting to see the gradual breakdown of

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Speaker 1: the system. And what's what's the alternative? What do you do?

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Speaker 1: You know? The alternative is, you know, maybe we have

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Speaker 1: more than two giant parties that control who decides that

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Speaker 1: it is it the people? You know, that's a great question,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately no I think that might be a story

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Speaker 1: for another day. But if you plan to run for president,

700
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Speaker 1: listeners right to us and let us know your policies, right,

701
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: let us know what you're what, let us you know what.

702
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: I keep pushing this, but this is for me. I'm

703
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Speaker 1: all about the issues. You know what I mean? You

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Speaker 1: go tell me. I'm I'm all about the issues. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the sandwich thing is is really important to me,

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Speaker 1: which is why I'm casting a vote for Noel the

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Speaker 1: Madman Brown. Yeah. Well, I I say that a euro

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Speaker 1: is a sandwich. That's my position. There are some who

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Speaker 1: would who would oppose me, They will be crushed. They

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Speaker 1: would be crushed, right, and we're aside from the crushing

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Speaker 1: that is imminent and imminent. Uh. Today we are ending

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Speaker 1: on a question after looking at the primaries opportunities for

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Speaker 1: Skullduggery and Shenanigan's here. Uh, do you think that they

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Speaker 1: are a better system than direct voting without party affiliation? Right?

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Speaker 1: Are these here too? Uh? Are Are they here to

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Speaker 1: organize and focus and direct a consensus or are they

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Speaker 1: there to simply stabilize the existence of an establishment that

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Speaker 1: primaries were originally created to destroy. I think that's it's

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Speaker 1: a long question, and I apologize for the run run on,

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Speaker 1: but it's a question worth asking, and we would like

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Speaker 1: to hear from you to illustrate this point. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that means it's time for shut utgona asking. Our first

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Speaker 1: shoutout goes to Hammer from Austin. What an epic name? Uh?

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Speaker 1: He said in reference to the Gin episode. Noel, you

725
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: misquoted a line from Aladdin? What a jerk? They cut

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Speaker 1: off your ear if they don't like your face? And

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Speaker 1: Noel said, hand, which got me thinking about censorship and Disney,

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Speaker 1: who definitely have their skeletons in the closet. Would you

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Speaker 1: guys consider doing a Disney episode. There's a Snopes page

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Speaker 1: a mile long for Disney and a lot of that

731
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Speaker 1: stuff is true. Um, yeah, man, we should do that.

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Speaker 1: No one dies on Disney property, right, not officially? Yeah? Uh.

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Speaker 1: And number we should bring in Holly Fry. Yeah we

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Speaker 1: should Holly five from our pure podcast stuff you missed

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Speaker 1: in history class. She has quite the Disney Officionano. I

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Speaker 1: think we I think we're all in agreement where we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do. We should have both of them in. Dude,

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Speaker 1: maybe we could just have them do an episode of

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Speaker 1: the show. We'll take a k. We can go to

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Speaker 1: David Busters. All right. So Number two sit the psychopath

741
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Speaker 1: at our Nick Baker right, sim And says, really enjoyed

742
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Speaker 1: the Gin episode. I'd wish for this sweet release of

743
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Speaker 1: death and see what happens. That would be his wish,

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00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: interesting wish, And we had a lot of a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know. I want to take a second to and

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Speaker 1: thank everybody who checked out the Gin episode on YouTube

747
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Speaker 1: and on here on the audio podcast however you're listening

748
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Speaker 1: to it, because no, Matt, as you guys know, I was,

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit apprehensive and oh maybe had

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Speaker 1: an overly long disclaimer on it. Well, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just a little peak behind the curtain. When we do

752
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: these episodes, we all listen to them, we go through

753
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Speaker 1: and decide if there's anything we want to say differently

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Speaker 1: or or cut out. We don't usually do much, but

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Speaker 1: Ben was pretty concerned about this when I wanted us

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Speaker 1: to listen with extra you know, sensitive ears, and ultimately

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Speaker 1: nothing came out. And I think it's fine. I think

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Speaker 1: it was a great episode. Well, yeah, it's because whenever

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Speaker 1: we do a topic that touches on religion, of course

760
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: we want to do so in a respectful way. Your

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00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: beliefs are your own, and it is not our job

762
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Speaker 1: to tell you what to believe. It's really not anyone's

763
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Speaker 1: job to tell you what to believe, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: but you know, again, maybe that's just my belief. So

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Speaker 1: it was like a pastor, and then it's kind of

766
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Speaker 1: your job to tell people what to believe. That's there

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00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: are a lot of there are a lot of reasons

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Speaker 1: why I can't be a pastor. But but I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everybody who on YouTube, on Twitter, in the email,

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Speaker 1: on the Facebook who wrote to us because we were

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00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: surprised by uh by like the supportive nature of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we really appreciate that because this is

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Speaker 1: your show as much as it is ours. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: writing Sith Psychopath. Finally, we have one from Eric am

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Speaker 1: from Facebook. You guys shouldn't make an episode on Prince's death.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think he was killed for talking

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Speaker 1: about kim Trails, FEMA, cami at Center. This came up

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Speaker 1: on the Facebook live we did yesterday. UM. And that's

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Speaker 1: one thing I know that he definitely spoke about those issues, um,

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Speaker 1: as has Tim Robbins lately. I saw somebody else famous

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Speaker 1: in the press, uh that was was talking about those issues.

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Speaker 1: I have to look into it. Maybe I'm wrong about

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Speaker 1: Tim Robins, but um, there was another Prince related conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory that came up, um, right before he passed. His

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Speaker 1: decades long battle with Warner Brothers over ownership of his

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00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: back catalog finally was resolved. Uh. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: reissues are in the works. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: what you guys think, but a lot of times when

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Speaker 1: famous singers die and they have a big back catalog,

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Speaker 1: that means a lot of money, you know. We just

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Speaker 1: saw this with Bowie's records got his first number one

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Speaker 1: Bowie did, and you know, Prince h He's got two

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Speaker 1: number one songs on the billboards right now, a purple

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Speaker 1: Rain and I can't remember what the other one is,

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Speaker 1: but saying a lot of money to be made so

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Speaker 1: interesting that people would correlate those two, but I can

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Speaker 1: see why, um so yeah, I I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: worthy of an episode. We did do a celebrity death

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Speaker 1: conspiracy episode of well Back, which is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites because I'm particularly into you know,

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Speaker 1: lore surrounding musicians and musical soul. Well you know, actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of conflating. We didn't want on

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Speaker 1: on the music and the occult, which there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of connections there too, So I think I would say

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Speaker 1: listen to those two together. There are a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I love the story told about Bowie and the Witch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the White Witch, the White Witch. Uh, you do check

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Speaker 1: that one out if you haven't had a chance yet,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for writing. Do you want a shout out? If so,

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Speaker 1: take a page from Uh, take a page from your

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Speaker 1: fellow listeners and drop us line on Facebook Twitter or

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Speaker 1: our email. Uh, and this concludes, gosh, so really fast.

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Speaker 1: I know, guys, before we so really fast. I note

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Speaker 1: before we get out of here, guys, nol. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring something up with you. Shoot, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 1: just a quick note here. Do you remember something you

817
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Speaker 1: talked about in the Panama Papers episode something about an

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Speaker 1: address in Delaware? Why do you mean twelve on nine

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Speaker 1: North Orange Street, Wilmington, Delaware. Yes, precisely, it's the thing

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Speaker 1: you mentioned. Was the the official address for over two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand companies. Well, we've got some news. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the address of Walmart, Coca Cola, Apple. There are

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Speaker 1: just a few examples of these, fortune every credit card. Well,

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Speaker 1: according to the Guardian story that just came out, it's

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Speaker 1: also home to companies that were started by two of

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Speaker 1: the current presidential hopeful candidates, both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: Trump has several companies registered there, including Trump International Management

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Speaker 1: Court and in Right after Clinton left the office of

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State, she set up z F S Holdings, LLC. And,

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Speaker 1: according to a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, it was

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Speaker 1: it up when it was set up to manage her

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Speaker 1: book and speaking income. You know, the controversies we've been

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Speaker 1: hearing so much about all the money Hillary Clinton was

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Speaker 1: paid by for going and speaking for the financial sector.

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Speaker 1: Well apparently that's where it went. Uh. The spokesman said

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Speaker 1: no federal, state, or local taxes were saved by the

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Speaker 1: Clintons as a result of this structure. I just thought

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Speaker 1: it was interesting to have those two episodes kind of

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Speaker 1: smashed together right here. Uh. Any thoughts. Did you know

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Speaker 1: the Delaware has no sales tax, absolutely zero zero, one

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Speaker 1: of five states. I mean, I I bring that up

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Speaker 1: because I've been trying to figure out what the deal

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Speaker 1: is why it's so so attractive as a tax haven

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Speaker 1: within our country. And I know that's one reason, um,

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Speaker 1: but there are others, and so there has to be

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Speaker 1: more reasons. Apparently the state has an eight point seven

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Speaker 1: flat corporate income tax. Maybe that's a big deal, um,

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Speaker 1: but you know, according to this Daily Finance dot com

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Speaker 1: article I'm looking at, that actually leads to the fourth

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Speaker 1: highest tax collection in the country, and so combined with

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Speaker 1: personal income tax, that is what allows Delaware to charge

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Speaker 1: no sales tax. Do you do you want to do

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Speaker 1: a Delaware episode? Now? A little bit. I think we

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Speaker 1: should just do one on that place, all right, And

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Speaker 1: to do that we are going to head out for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. We hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode. If you want to learn more about super

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Speaker 1: delegates and political primaries, then check with our buddy Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: He wrote some nifty articles about that on the website

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. You can also visit the

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Speaker 1: official Republican Convention website as well as the Democratic Convention

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Speaker 1: website and get your news right from the source. Do

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Speaker 1: be aware, of course, that it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: little slanted a little bit right in the meantime, of course,

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Speaker 1: if you have suggestions for upcoming topics, if you have

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Speaker 1: response to this, if you have an answer to the

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Speaker 1: question should do primaries help more than they harm? Then

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Speaker 1: write to Matt Noel and I directly. You can hit

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Speaker 1: us up on Facebook, hit us up on Twitter. Where

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff at both of those and what do you

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Speaker 1: do if you have something that just don't it's too

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Speaker 1: dense for a hundred and forty characters, it's too real

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Speaker 1: for a Facebook post. You could compose an electronic message

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Speaker 1: and point it to the address conspiracy at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com,