1 00:00:15,066 --> 00:00:15,506 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:21,316 --> 00:00:23,876 Speaker 2: In season one of Lost Hills, I spent a lot 3 00:00:23,896 --> 00:00:27,196 Speaker 2: of time describing the geographical features of the Killing Zone, 4 00:00:27,716 --> 00:00:32,266 Speaker 2: where Anthony Rauta allegedly hunted victims in their cars, in 5 00:00:32,306 --> 00:00:36,286 Speaker 2: a hammock, and in a tent. It's raw and wild, 6 00:00:36,366 --> 00:00:41,446 Speaker 2: with windy roads, sheer drop-offs, cliffs, and peaks. There are 7 00:00:41,486 --> 00:00:45,236 Speaker 2: also neighborhoods tucked in there and a huge white Hindu temple. 8 00:00:45,776 --> 00:00:48,476 Speaker 2: And behind the Hindu temple, down a long road, is 9 00:00:48,516 --> 00:00:50,536 Speaker 2: a private school called Muse. 10 00:00:52,476 --> 00:00:56,536 Speaker 3: It's all vegan, fashion-based learning, which is pretty cool. 11 00:00:57,336 --> 00:00:58,116 Speaker 2: It's very open. 12 00:00:58,156 --> 00:01:01,196 Speaker 3: It's in an old campground area, so it's a very, 13 00:01:01,236 --> 00:01:03,436 Speaker 3: very open area attached to the hills. 14 00:01:05,076 --> 00:01:07,356 Speaker 2: Muse attracts a specific kind of parent. 15 00:01:08,136 --> 00:01:11,666 Speaker 3: Some people come to the school because... They really, truly 16 00:01:11,726 --> 00:01:14,276 Speaker 3: believe that passion-based learning is the best way to do it. 17 00:01:14,376 --> 00:01:20,116 Speaker 3: Some families come because they really are passionate about the 18 00:01:20,316 --> 00:01:23,656 Speaker 3: vegan lifestyle because the school is vegan. And then other 19 00:01:23,676 --> 00:01:27,966 Speaker 3: families come because they know that they will get privacy 20 00:01:28,066 --> 00:01:32,146 Speaker 3: for their families and their lifestyles are more publicly known. 21 00:01:33,346 --> 00:01:37,086 Speaker 2: The school was co-founded by Susie Amos Cameron, the wife 22 00:01:37,126 --> 00:01:42,986 Speaker 2: of James Cameron, as in Avatar, Titanic, Terminator. And privacy 23 00:01:43,046 --> 00:01:46,246 Speaker 2: is important there. That's why I can't say this former 24 00:01:46,286 --> 00:01:48,826 Speaker 2: teacher's name. When she was hired, she had to sign 25 00:01:48,866 --> 00:01:49,506 Speaker 2: an NDA. 26 00:01:50,466 --> 00:01:53,746 Speaker 3: Well, just, we have some wealthier families or families that 27 00:01:53,806 --> 00:01:56,746 Speaker 3: are in the movie business or entertainment business. 28 00:01:58,566 --> 00:02:00,786 Speaker 2: If there's one thing I've learned while spending time as 29 00:02:00,826 --> 00:02:04,546 Speaker 2: a reporter in Malibu, it's that privacy has a close cousin. 30 00:02:05,546 --> 00:02:08,756 Speaker 2: It's called secrecy. And in the months leading up to 31 00:02:08,866 --> 00:02:13,816 Speaker 2: Anthony Rauta's arrest, Mews School had a secret. But this 32 00:02:13,876 --> 00:02:17,536 Speaker 2: former teacher didn't know much about it. Until one day, 33 00:02:17,556 --> 00:02:21,586 Speaker 2: a couple of homicide detectives showed up at her door. 34 00:02:25,506 --> 00:02:29,506 Speaker 2: I'm Dana Goodyear, and this is a Lost Hills bonus episode. 35 00:02:31,386 --> 00:02:35,726 Speaker 3: Lost Hills. 36 00:02:43,286 --> 00:02:50,796 Speaker 2: Signs of Anthony. Before the detectives, there was chatter at school. 37 00:02:51,586 --> 00:02:54,496 Speaker 3: We didn't have any faculty meetings or staff meetings about it. 38 00:02:55,076 --> 00:02:58,716 Speaker 3: It was just occasionally faculty members would talk with each 39 00:02:58,776 --> 00:03:03,496 Speaker 3: other about, like, hey, this went missing, or did you 40 00:03:03,536 --> 00:03:04,416 Speaker 3: hear about this? 41 00:03:05,656 --> 00:03:08,136 Speaker 2: The murder of Tristan Beaudat at Malibu Creek State Park 42 00:03:08,416 --> 00:03:10,956 Speaker 2: and the proliferation of stories about other shootings in the 43 00:03:11,056 --> 00:03:14,496 Speaker 2: area That had all happened over the summer. But the 44 00:03:14,546 --> 00:03:17,286 Speaker 2: teacher doesn't remember anyone talking much about it on campus. 45 00:03:18,246 --> 00:03:21,326 Speaker 2: It seems weird to me. There was a murderer at large. 46 00:03:21,746 --> 00:03:25,126 Speaker 2: The cops had very few leads. But at MUSE, across 47 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:28,106 Speaker 2: the road from the murder scene, all the administration was 48 00:03:28,146 --> 00:03:31,306 Speaker 2: talking about was a couple of missing iPads, which they 49 00:03:31,326 --> 00:03:32,506 Speaker 2: didn't seem too concerned about. 50 00:03:33,466 --> 00:03:35,546 Speaker 3: If we did have meetings about it, it would just 51 00:03:35,566 --> 00:03:38,616 Speaker 3: be a side note like, hey, if you took any 52 00:03:38,646 --> 00:03:40,956 Speaker 3: of the iPads home, please let us know and bring 53 00:03:40,976 --> 00:03:41,596 Speaker 3: them back. 54 00:03:42,836 --> 00:03:46,246 Speaker 2: But there were other weird things happening. And the staff 55 00:03:46,286 --> 00:03:47,266 Speaker 2: was starting to notice. 56 00:03:48,106 --> 00:03:53,786 Speaker 3: We knew that stuff had been more than once taken 57 00:03:53,826 --> 00:03:58,336 Speaker 3: from the kitchen. Because we have an on-site staff members 58 00:03:58,396 --> 00:04:00,956 Speaker 3: who cook lunch for the kids every day and provide 59 00:04:01,016 --> 00:04:03,916 Speaker 3: snack every day. And things had been taken from the 60 00:04:03,976 --> 00:04:07,376 Speaker 3: kitchens and no staff member was taking quantities of food. 61 00:04:08,956 --> 00:04:11,656 Speaker 2: That fall, other businesses near the park began to notice 62 00:04:11,696 --> 00:04:16,536 Speaker 2: missing items. breakfast sandwiches, and snacks. Images were captured on 63 00:04:16,576 --> 00:04:19,156 Speaker 2: a security camera of a man with a backpack and 64 00:04:19,206 --> 00:04:21,626 Speaker 2: something sticking out of it. A rifle. 65 00:04:22,466 --> 00:04:27,906 Speaker 3: Later on, people started talking about how there was somebody 66 00:04:27,946 --> 00:04:30,406 Speaker 3: who was just loose in the wilderness, who was just 67 00:04:30,466 --> 00:04:33,586 Speaker 3: walking around. And then at one point, one of the 68 00:04:33,786 --> 00:04:38,176 Speaker 3: operations members said that they had seen somebody on one 69 00:04:38,196 --> 00:04:40,816 Speaker 3: of the hiking trails with, like, a backpack and something 70 00:04:40,856 --> 00:04:44,576 Speaker 3: in the backpack. That's when people, like, through rumors and 71 00:04:44,696 --> 00:04:47,496 Speaker 3: talking with each other, not in big meetings, but just 72 00:04:47,516 --> 00:04:50,036 Speaker 3: talking with each other, kind of started connecting dots that 73 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:51,836 Speaker 3: it was probably the same person. 74 00:04:53,116 --> 00:04:56,456 Speaker 2: Then, in October, Anthony Rauta was arrested at his camp, 75 00:04:56,816 --> 00:05:00,116 Speaker 2: a couple of miles from Mews. As I described in 76 00:05:00,156 --> 00:05:04,936 Speaker 2: an earlier episode, Rauta had seven electronic devices. Investigators pulled 77 00:05:04,976 --> 00:05:08,546 Speaker 2: a ton of data from them. Locations, search histories, PDFs, 78 00:05:09,006 --> 00:05:10,986 Speaker 2: that's all a big part of the case against him. 79 00:05:11,866 --> 00:05:15,246 Speaker 2: But they also found something else. And this has never 80 00:05:15,286 --> 00:05:21,156 Speaker 2: been made public. Until now. In one of the cell phones, 81 00:05:21,416 --> 00:05:24,936 Speaker 2: they discovered the name, phone number, and a home address 82 00:05:25,336 --> 00:05:28,436 Speaker 2: for this former teacher from Muse School I've been talking to. 83 00:05:29,516 --> 00:05:33,096 Speaker 3: So I didn't really know much about it at first, 84 00:05:33,176 --> 00:05:36,216 Speaker 3: and then I was contacted by a detective who on 85 00:05:36,236 --> 00:05:38,156 Speaker 3: the phone and they called me and they said that 86 00:05:38,216 --> 00:05:42,056 Speaker 3: they'd like to speak to me about something. And then 87 00:05:42,136 --> 00:05:45,276 Speaker 3: later that day, they showed up at my door, him 88 00:05:45,316 --> 00:05:48,916 Speaker 3: and his partner, and they just started asking me some 89 00:05:48,956 --> 00:05:52,036 Speaker 3: questions and they asked if I had known about him 90 00:05:52,056 --> 00:05:55,306 Speaker 3: and then told me that he had my phone number 91 00:05:55,486 --> 00:05:58,566 Speaker 3: and my first name and my maiden name in his 92 00:05:58,626 --> 00:06:02,166 Speaker 3: phone and my old address. And I was kind of shocked. 93 00:06:02,186 --> 00:06:04,366 Speaker 3: And then I asked if this was the same person. 94 00:06:05,056 --> 00:06:07,916 Speaker 3: who did the killings, and they asked why. I was 95 00:06:07,956 --> 00:06:10,466 Speaker 3: wondering that, and I said, well, I work right across 96 00:06:10,496 --> 00:06:12,686 Speaker 3: the street from where those things were happening. And then 97 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:15,646 Speaker 3: they were like, oh, okay. 98 00:06:17,226 --> 00:06:19,446 Speaker 2: The next day, the teacher went to the administration. 99 00:06:20,266 --> 00:06:22,466 Speaker 3: As soon as I got to work, I immediately went 100 00:06:22,606 --> 00:06:25,306 Speaker 3: and scheduled a meeting with our HR person. 101 00:06:26,646 --> 00:06:29,766 Speaker 2: It's worth noting that a representative for Susie Amos Cameron 102 00:06:30,266 --> 00:06:34,586 Speaker 2: declined to answer questions about any of this. I. 103 00:06:35,406 --> 00:06:37,926 Speaker 3: told them that this had happened that the detectives might 104 00:06:37,946 --> 00:06:40,186 Speaker 3: want to come on site to talk to me again 105 00:06:40,246 --> 00:06:43,406 Speaker 3: if they had more questions which the detective had mentioned 106 00:06:43,426 --> 00:06:47,436 Speaker 3: might be a possibility and that's when I was told 107 00:06:47,536 --> 00:06:55,536 Speaker 3: that some files had been gotten into by someone and 108 00:06:55,576 --> 00:06:58,106 Speaker 3: that mine was one of them so then how did 109 00:06:58,136 --> 00:07:03,286 Speaker 3: you feel really scared We knew about things being taken 110 00:07:03,326 --> 00:07:06,006 Speaker 3: from the kitchen, but that was only from word of mouth. 111 00:07:06,116 --> 00:07:11,536 Speaker 3: And that our personal information could have been seen by 112 00:07:11,716 --> 00:07:14,936 Speaker 3: who knows who was really scary. 113 00:07:17,576 --> 00:07:20,626 Speaker 2: Finally, the story started to come out. And it was 114 00:07:20,926 --> 00:07:22,726 Speaker 2: even creepier than the teacher had feared. 115 00:07:23,826 --> 00:07:27,606 Speaker 3: It turns out that the three people whose information he 116 00:07:27,666 --> 00:07:30,896 Speaker 3: ended up having We are all three female. We all 117 00:07:30,916 --> 00:07:34,116 Speaker 3: have dark hair and we all have glasses, which felt, 118 00:07:34,296 --> 00:07:35,956 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but 119 00:07:35,996 --> 00:07:38,916 Speaker 3: it felt really, really unnerving to figure that part out. 120 00:07:39,516 --> 00:07:43,076 Speaker 2: So you felt like it could be something specific to you? 121 00:07:43,776 --> 00:07:47,656 Speaker 3: It did feel kind of like that. I mean, but 122 00:07:47,716 --> 00:07:50,376 Speaker 3: it's like, how would he even know who's who? But 123 00:07:51,656 --> 00:07:53,996 Speaker 3: if he didn't have everybody's information, why would he just 124 00:07:54,036 --> 00:07:57,916 Speaker 3: have our three information? It's a very unnerving feeling. 125 00:07:59,506 --> 00:08:02,366 Speaker 2: The teacher says the experience of teaching in Malibu Canyon 126 00:08:02,496 --> 00:08:03,036 Speaker 2: changed her. 127 00:08:04,116 --> 00:08:09,096 Speaker 3: I think a culture where secrets are kept and willingly. 128 00:08:08,656 --> 00:08:13,436 Speaker 2: Kept is not a great culture to have. She left 129 00:08:13,516 --> 00:08:15,356 Speaker 2: Muse and went to work at a school in the 130 00:08:15,396 --> 00:08:17,656 Speaker 2: city where you have to show an ID before you 131 00:08:17,676 --> 00:08:22,136 Speaker 2: get buzzed in. That feels safe. But she still has 132 00:08:22,376 --> 00:08:25,436 Speaker 2: no idea what to make of her brush with Anthony Rauta. 133 00:08:26,456 --> 00:08:29,226 Speaker 3: So it's just kind of in the back of my head, like, 134 00:08:29,586 --> 00:08:32,806 Speaker 3: what was going to happen? Will something happen? If he 135 00:08:32,866 --> 00:08:35,766 Speaker 3: ever gets out, is something going to happen? Do I 136 00:08:35,806 --> 00:08:38,626 Speaker 3: need to move again or change my name or change 137 00:08:38,666 --> 00:08:39,126 Speaker 3: my number? 138 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:45,786 Speaker 2: Why did he choose her? What did he want? In 139 00:08:45,826 --> 00:08:51,006 Speaker 2: this creepy and mysterious way, he'd made contact without actually connecting. 140 00:08:52,446 --> 00:08:55,526 Speaker 2: Like when you pick up the phone and there's someone 141 00:08:55,566 --> 00:09:27,146 Speaker 2: on the line but they don't make a sound. I 142 00:09:27,186 --> 00:09:30,766 Speaker 2: spent years trying to find someone who actually knew Anthony Rauta, 143 00:09:31,206 --> 00:09:33,466 Speaker 2: who would talk to me about him, share an anecdote 144 00:09:33,506 --> 00:09:38,196 Speaker 2: or story or anything. Then, after the first couple episodes 145 00:09:38,216 --> 00:09:42,276 Speaker 2: of the show came out, I got a call. So, 146 00:09:42,696 --> 00:09:45,276 Speaker 2: I'm going to try not to say your name, because 147 00:09:45,316 --> 00:09:50,326 Speaker 2: I know we're not using your name, but you're Anthony 148 00:09:50,406 --> 00:09:52,426 Speaker 2: Rauta's younger sister, right? 149 00:09:52,966 --> 00:09:54,126 Speaker 1: Yes, half-sister. 150 00:09:54,146 --> 00:09:59,276 Speaker 2: I knew about her. Ozzy's youngest child. She's from his 151 00:09:59,316 --> 00:10:02,376 Speaker 2: second marriage, the family he started after Anthony and his 152 00:10:02,446 --> 00:10:05,656 Speaker 2: older siblings moved away to Florida. She's in her 20s, 153 00:10:05,846 --> 00:10:07,686 Speaker 2: and she still lives with Ozzie and her mom. 154 00:10:08,806 --> 00:10:12,216 Speaker 4: So I always knew growing up that I had two 155 00:10:12,286 --> 00:10:14,736 Speaker 4: half-brothers and a half-sister. 156 00:10:15,516 --> 00:10:16,836 Speaker 1: We had a big age gap. 157 00:10:17,816 --> 00:10:21,936 Speaker 2: The family was fractured. She's still never met her older sister, Lisa, 158 00:10:22,256 --> 00:10:25,356 Speaker 2: the one whose door I knocked on in episode 5. 159 00:10:25,356 --> 00:10:28,956 Speaker 2: And she doesn't really know her older brother, Michael. But Anthony, 160 00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:32,896 Speaker 2: the most mysterious of her siblings. Ironically, he's the one 161 00:10:32,936 --> 00:10:34,076 Speaker 2: she spent the most time with. 162 00:10:35,296 --> 00:10:42,756 Speaker 4: Growing up, Anthony would sometimes stay at our house. He 163 00:10:42,776 --> 00:10:45,256 Speaker 4: would live with us for short periods of time, on 164 00:10:46,456 --> 00:10:51,036 Speaker 4: and off. And I did know growing up that he 165 00:10:51,656 --> 00:10:55,936 Speaker 4: liked to stay to himself. He was more of an outdoorsman, 166 00:10:56,876 --> 00:11:01,896 Speaker 4: and he liked to basically kind of be isolated and 167 00:11:02,866 --> 00:11:04,406 Speaker 4: live out in the wilderness. 168 00:11:05,806 --> 00:11:08,566 Speaker 2: By now, Rauta's little sister says, a lot of people 169 00:11:08,606 --> 00:11:11,026 Speaker 2: have seen images of her brother in a spit mask 170 00:11:11,086 --> 00:11:14,366 Speaker 2: and restraint chair, heard him spouting off and swearing at 171 00:11:14,406 --> 00:11:17,936 Speaker 2: his lawyer and the judge. But no one is representing 172 00:11:17,956 --> 00:11:22,816 Speaker 2: the Anthony she knows, gentle, shy Anthony. So it's up 173 00:11:22,856 --> 00:11:23,156 Speaker 2: to her. 174 00:11:24,696 --> 00:11:29,246 Speaker 4: My recollection is, starts around maybe eight or nine years old. 175 00:11:29,266 --> 00:11:33,606 Speaker 4: I was always excited because growing up, I was an 176 00:11:33,646 --> 00:11:38,046 Speaker 4: only child in my household. So knowing that I had 177 00:11:38,076 --> 00:11:42,536 Speaker 4: a half-brother or half-brothers, I was really excited and I 178 00:11:42,596 --> 00:11:46,876 Speaker 4: wanted to interact, but he was just really quiet. So 179 00:11:46,916 --> 00:11:54,886 Speaker 4: I couldn't really form that brotherly-sisterly bond. Whereas, you know, 180 00:11:54,946 --> 00:11:58,346 Speaker 4: if you live in the same household, you interact every day, 181 00:11:58,366 --> 00:12:02,286 Speaker 4: you get to know each other, right? But I wasn't 182 00:12:02,346 --> 00:12:06,436 Speaker 4: able to do that. He was just more reserved. So 183 00:12:06,556 --> 00:12:08,216 Speaker 4: I would just do my own thing and then he 184 00:12:08,256 --> 00:12:09,116 Speaker 4: would do his own thing. 185 00:12:10,356 --> 00:12:14,156 Speaker 2: She describes an unusual arrangement where Anthony didn't really interact 186 00:12:14,196 --> 00:12:17,926 Speaker 2: with her or her mom. He spoke almost exclusively to Ozzy. 187 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:21,626 Speaker 2: She would, though, see these fleeting glimpses of the big 188 00:12:21,686 --> 00:12:22,566 Speaker 2: brother she wanted. 189 00:12:23,636 --> 00:12:28,376 Speaker 4: I remember one instance where we had just gone grocery shopping, 190 00:12:28,466 --> 00:12:32,086 Speaker 4: all four of us. So my dad, my mom, myself, 191 00:12:32,466 --> 00:12:37,486 Speaker 4: and Anthony. And we were coming into the house. And 192 00:12:37,526 --> 00:12:42,206 Speaker 4: for some reason, I didn't want to help with the groceries. 193 00:12:43,046 --> 00:12:47,706 Speaker 4: And Anthony was very quick to tell me, no, you 194 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:48,486 Speaker 4: need to go out there. 195 00:12:48,526 --> 00:12:51,086 Speaker 1: You need to help. That's what we do. We help. 196 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:55,116 Speaker 4: So I guess that in a way, Explains his character 197 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:59,016 Speaker 4: of always trying to help, always trying to be helpful, 198 00:12:59,836 --> 00:13:05,566 Speaker 4: and I guess be responsible in the sense where, you know, 199 00:13:05,586 --> 00:13:08,986 Speaker 4: we're always doing the right thing by our parents. And 200 00:13:09,586 --> 00:13:11,726 Speaker 4: when you're living in someone else's house, you always try 201 00:13:11,766 --> 00:13:13,086 Speaker 4: to help out as much as you can. 202 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:16,006 Speaker 2: I ask her to think of some more memories of 203 00:13:16,086 --> 00:13:19,806 Speaker 2: Anthony relaxed and comfortable. It takes her a minute, but 204 00:13:20,126 --> 00:13:22,206 Speaker 2: there was one time when Anthony was staying with them 205 00:13:22,426 --> 00:13:23,366 Speaker 2: and their cousin came over. 206 00:13:24,936 --> 00:13:29,756 Speaker 4: My cousin Eric was reminiscing about them growing up, and 207 00:13:31,016 --> 00:13:33,896 Speaker 4: Anthony got this big smile on his face and was 208 00:13:33,956 --> 00:13:38,956 Speaker 4: just laughing about whatever they were reminiscing on. I don't 209 00:13:38,996 --> 00:13:43,736 Speaker 4: remember specifically the topic or the childhood memory, but I 210 00:13:43,826 --> 00:13:48,266 Speaker 4: do remember Anthony just laughing with a big smile on 211 00:13:48,306 --> 00:13:48,786 Speaker 4: his face. 212 00:13:50,046 --> 00:13:52,646 Speaker 2: As she got older, she puzzled over why her brother 213 00:13:52,726 --> 00:13:53,626 Speaker 2: chose to be alone. 214 00:13:54,856 --> 00:13:58,496 Speaker 4: I mean, Anthony, he's a good looking man. You know, 215 00:13:58,516 --> 00:14:00,236 Speaker 4: when he's cleaned up, when he would live with us, 216 00:14:00,316 --> 00:14:04,736 Speaker 4: he was cleaned up. He was clean shaven, very polite. 217 00:14:05,596 --> 00:14:06,376 Speaker 1: He had manners. 218 00:14:06,916 --> 00:14:09,506 Speaker 4: So to me, it was like, okay, when are you 219 00:14:09,526 --> 00:14:13,326 Speaker 4: going to have a girlfriend? You know, but that's right 220 00:14:13,346 --> 00:14:15,626 Speaker 4: around the time when he would leave and then he 221 00:14:15,666 --> 00:14:16,506 Speaker 4: would come back. 222 00:14:16,726 --> 00:14:22,086 Speaker 2: So that was the pattern. In spite of Ozzie's best efforts, 223 00:14:22,686 --> 00:14:25,886 Speaker 2: Anthony was always on the way out. And when Anthony 224 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:29,026 Speaker 2: would disappear again, Ozzy still wanted to look after him. 225 00:14:30,306 --> 00:14:34,616 Speaker 4: They're, I wouldn't say close, but they're how a father 226 00:14:34,936 --> 00:14:41,936 Speaker 4: and son would act. Like a long distance father-son. 227 00:14:41,036 --> 00:14:42,116 Speaker 1: Relationship, you know. 228 00:14:42,136 --> 00:14:47,076 Speaker 4: When someone who's living off the grid like that, they 229 00:14:47,096 --> 00:14:50,036 Speaker 4: try to stay in touch as much as they can. 230 00:14:50,706 --> 00:14:54,106 Speaker 1: Like check in wise. Hey, you're doing okay? Yeah. Do 231 00:14:54,146 --> 00:14:54,846 Speaker 1: you need any money? 232 00:14:55,796 --> 00:14:56,076 Speaker 4: Sure. 233 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:58,356 Speaker 1: And my dad would send money. 234 00:14:58,376 --> 00:15:05,016 Speaker 4: I would say he grew accustomed to Anthony living that 235 00:15:05,776 --> 00:15:09,796 Speaker 4: wilderness lifestyle, being on his own. He knew that Anthony 236 00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:14,136 Speaker 4: liked that. So he just wanted to do the best 237 00:15:14,176 --> 00:15:17,326 Speaker 4: he could and give him any type of support that 238 00:15:17,756 --> 00:15:21,126 Speaker 4: he could, whether it be financially or emotionally. 239 00:15:22,406 --> 00:15:25,376 Speaker 2: Sometimes that meant going out and tracking him down. in 240 00:15:25,396 --> 00:15:26,236 Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. 241 00:15:26,256 --> 00:15:30,016 Speaker 4: I remember times when my dad would tell me that 242 00:15:30,076 --> 00:15:32,776 Speaker 4: he hadn't heard from Anthony, so we would go driving 243 00:15:32,856 --> 00:15:34,156 Speaker 4: around looking for him. 244 00:15:35,396 --> 00:15:39,036 Speaker 2: Ozzy and his little girl searching the mountains, driving slowly 245 00:15:39,106 --> 00:15:43,266 Speaker 2: down back roads, scanning the brush for any sign of Anthony. 246 00:15:44,646 --> 00:15:47,766 Speaker 4: I remember one time we went, I don't even remember 247 00:15:47,806 --> 00:15:52,446 Speaker 4: the city, but we went to go eat sushi. And 248 00:15:52,466 --> 00:15:54,926 Speaker 4: I remember it was a long drive. We went up 249 00:15:54,966 --> 00:15:58,006 Speaker 4: to this dirt road and we were just looking and 250 00:15:58,426 --> 00:16:02,126 Speaker 4: I believe he got a phone call or somehow, but 251 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:05,146 Speaker 4: we ended up meeting up with Anthony. And I know 252 00:16:05,196 --> 00:16:09,496 Speaker 4: that we gave him some food and some clothes. And 253 00:16:09,616 --> 00:16:11,796 Speaker 4: after that, we just went our separate ways. 254 00:16:15,576 --> 00:16:17,876 Speaker 2: But her brother wasn't just moving back and forth between 255 00:16:17,896 --> 00:16:21,126 Speaker 2: the mountains and her childhood home. He was also in 256 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:22,646 Speaker 2: and out of jail and prison. 257 00:16:23,926 --> 00:16:28,996 Speaker 4: I remember my dad receiving a letter from Anthony, and 258 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:34,316 Speaker 4: it had all this great artwork on it. I think 259 00:16:34,356 --> 00:16:38,636 Speaker 4: it was flowers, and I believe one was a hummingbird. 260 00:16:39,996 --> 00:16:41,826 Speaker 1: It was beautiful, all the details. 261 00:16:43,126 --> 00:16:47,066 Speaker 2: So this was another side of Anthony, the artwork and 262 00:16:47,086 --> 00:16:47,626 Speaker 2: the problems. 263 00:16:49,086 --> 00:16:52,216 Speaker 4: I would remember my dad would go and visit Anthony. 264 00:16:53,566 --> 00:16:57,406 Speaker 4: So that's when I became aware that he was getting 265 00:16:57,446 --> 00:17:00,856 Speaker 4: in trouble with the law. I would just think, oh, 266 00:17:00,906 --> 00:17:04,976 Speaker 4: he's getting into some trouble. I wouldn't say dangerous stuff, 267 00:17:05,396 --> 00:17:08,436 Speaker 4: but I would just say trouble because they wouldn't really 268 00:17:09,096 --> 00:17:12,136 Speaker 4: go into detail with me about what he was being 269 00:17:12,176 --> 00:17:15,886 Speaker 4: arrested for or anything of that nature. I just knew 270 00:17:15,946 --> 00:17:17,786 Speaker 4: that we were going to go visit my brother. 271 00:17:18,586 --> 00:17:20,986 Speaker 2: Did you visit him in jail ever or prison? 272 00:17:22,816 --> 00:17:26,726 Speaker 4: We did try to go visit him in prison at Folsom, 273 00:17:27,666 --> 00:17:31,046 Speaker 4: but we weren't allowed in. But I do remember one 274 00:17:31,106 --> 00:17:33,876 Speaker 4: visitation where we went, and he was in jail. 275 00:17:35,156 --> 00:17:37,736 Speaker 2: A while back, sitting outside of one of Rauta's hearings, 276 00:17:38,336 --> 00:17:41,716 Speaker 2: Ozzie told me that sometimes Anthony's problems spilled over into 277 00:17:41,796 --> 00:17:43,556 Speaker 2: his life and his home. 278 00:17:45,016 --> 00:17:46,926 Speaker 4: He was living with us, and then there was a 279 00:17:46,966 --> 00:17:49,696 Speaker 4: span of time where he wasn't. And then next thing 280 00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:52,676 Speaker 4: we know, my dad was being contacted by the detectives. 281 00:17:53,416 --> 00:17:55,416 Speaker 1: Me and my mom were home. I think we were 282 00:17:55,536 --> 00:17:56,916 Speaker 1: in bed. We were waking up. 283 00:17:57,496 --> 00:18:00,976 Speaker 4: And then my dad comes and he goes, the detectives 284 00:18:01,036 --> 00:18:04,876 Speaker 4: are here. They want to talk. And then next thing 285 00:18:04,916 --> 00:18:05,956 Speaker 4: we know, our house. 286 00:18:05,776 --> 00:18:06,536 Speaker 1: Is being searched. 287 00:18:07,316 --> 00:18:07,936 Speaker 2: Were you scared? 288 00:18:07,956 --> 00:18:12,206 Speaker 4: I was just more like, what's going on? I know 289 00:18:12,236 --> 00:18:15,146 Speaker 4: I had to stay in my room. And I think 290 00:18:15,186 --> 00:18:19,526 Speaker 4: they had two officers there. if I'm not mistaken, and 291 00:18:19,566 --> 00:18:21,916 Speaker 4: then they were just talking to me about a piano 292 00:18:21,956 --> 00:18:25,056 Speaker 4: I had in my room, just basically trying to distract 293 00:18:25,096 --> 00:18:26,536 Speaker 4: me from whatever was going on. 294 00:18:27,896 --> 00:18:30,616 Speaker 2: Anthony wasn't there for the raid, but it marked a 295 00:18:30,836 --> 00:18:31,436 Speaker 2: turning point. 296 00:18:32,436 --> 00:18:35,436 Speaker 4: I think my mom had some worries, but, you know, 297 00:18:35,556 --> 00:18:39,096 Speaker 4: she wanted to support her husband and support my dad's 298 00:18:39,116 --> 00:18:42,976 Speaker 4: relationship with Anthony. So I think that she was a 299 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:47,596 Speaker 4: little more hesitant about About if he ever came back 300 00:18:47,656 --> 00:18:49,996 Speaker 4: to live with us again, that there would be certain 301 00:18:50,336 --> 00:18:55,476 Speaker 4: rules or to not use our address because of, you know, 302 00:18:55,516 --> 00:18:58,396 Speaker 4: what would the neighbors think that all these police cars 303 00:18:58,456 --> 00:19:00,016 Speaker 4: are outside searching the house. 304 00:19:01,256 --> 00:19:03,216 Speaker 2: Rauta's sister tells me she hasn't seen him in a 305 00:19:03,256 --> 00:19:07,696 Speaker 2: good 10 years. And the current situation, it's bewildering. 306 00:19:08,696 --> 00:19:13,176 Speaker 4: It's kind of shocking and it's more baffling that he's 307 00:19:13,556 --> 00:19:17,986 Speaker 4: on trial for these crimes. crimes and it just just 308 00:19:18,106 --> 00:19:21,256 Speaker 4: seems so out of character from the Anthony that I 309 00:19:21,296 --> 00:19:26,816 Speaker 4: know I'm worried for the sake of my dad because 310 00:19:26,876 --> 00:19:31,416 Speaker 4: I know that he loves Anthony he wants nothing but 311 00:19:31,436 --> 00:19:34,666 Speaker 4: the best for Anthony and I know that it hurts him. 312 00:19:35,026 --> 00:19:39,266 Speaker 1: To see how this is going about. 313 00:19:40,066 --> 00:19:44,706 Speaker 4: So I'm more worried for my dad and his health 314 00:19:44,806 --> 00:19:49,256 Speaker 4: and his stress and how it's affecting him. I've never 315 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:53,956 Speaker 4: seen Anthony yell or get angry but when I saw 316 00:19:53,976 --> 00:19:54,996 Speaker 4: it on the news. 317 00:19:55,256 --> 00:19:57,346 Speaker 1: That was alarming because I've never seen him like that. 318 00:19:58,786 --> 00:20:00,216 Speaker 1: It almost didn't look like him. 319 00:20:01,156 --> 00:20:04,196 Speaker 2: She doesn't know if he's mentally ill or what's going on. 320 00:20:05,456 --> 00:20:08,996 Speaker 4: I think his anger is coming from the fact that 321 00:20:09,056 --> 00:20:12,836 Speaker 4: he's being incarcerated for something that he didn't do that's 322 00:20:12,856 --> 00:20:15,846 Speaker 4: where I feel like his anger is coming from because 323 00:20:16,106 --> 00:20:20,136 Speaker 4: from what I know of Anthony growing up seeing him 324 00:20:20,596 --> 00:20:24,916 Speaker 4: being very reserved, very quiet, it doesn't seem like he's 325 00:20:24,956 --> 00:20:28,816 Speaker 4: capable of something like this. And even to the extent 326 00:20:28,856 --> 00:20:31,676 Speaker 4: of my father saying, you know, I don't think that 327 00:20:31,736 --> 00:20:37,116 Speaker 4: he did this because that's not in Anthony's character to 328 00:20:37,156 --> 00:20:43,236 Speaker 4: do something of that malice. I guess that's where myself 329 00:20:43,556 --> 00:20:48,026 Speaker 4: and my dad are having that tough time because we 330 00:20:48,066 --> 00:20:51,636 Speaker 4: don't see Anthony ever being capable of something like this. 331 00:20:52,236 --> 00:20:56,416 Speaker 4: So the fact that he's being accused of it is 332 00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:58,376 Speaker 4: just so bizarre to us. 333 00:20:58,396 --> 00:21:00,796 Speaker 1: And it's just so shocking. 334 00:21:07,626 --> 00:21:10,646 Speaker 2: Radha's little sister spent her childhood searching for her brother. 335 00:21:11,726 --> 00:21:13,746 Speaker 2: When they shared a home and when he was out 336 00:21:13,766 --> 00:21:17,906 Speaker 2: in the wilderness. It seems like she's still searching, trying 337 00:21:17,926 --> 00:21:20,606 Speaker 2: to get a handle on him. and the situation he's in. 338 00:21:21,886 --> 00:21:24,066 Speaker 2: At the time of this taping, Rauta's criminal trial is 339 00:21:24,106 --> 00:21:26,976 Speaker 2: still on hold while his mental health is being assessed. 340 00:21:28,096 --> 00:21:30,716 Speaker 2: But it seems like Rauta's little sister is hoping for 341 00:21:30,756 --> 00:21:31,236 Speaker 2: a trial. 342 00:21:32,236 --> 00:21:35,976 Speaker 4: I'm just more or less shocked by everything that's going on, 343 00:21:36,096 --> 00:21:43,076 Speaker 4: so that's why I'm curious to see what evidence is 344 00:21:43,116 --> 00:21:45,776 Speaker 4: going to be brought up in trial and how that's 345 00:21:45,836 --> 00:21:46,776 Speaker 4: going to come about. 346 00:21:48,156 --> 00:21:50,036 Speaker 1: I just want to hear it for myself. 347 00:21:51,456 --> 00:21:54,466 Speaker 2: She wants to support her brother and finally to get 348 00:21:54,496 --> 00:21:59,566 Speaker 2: some clarity. Is he the gentle person she remembers or 349 00:21:59,606 --> 00:22:03,286 Speaker 2: the monster she's seen on TV? Which is the truth? 350 00:22:04,966 --> 00:22:07,946 Speaker 2: For her, it all comes down to a simple either or. 351 00:22:09,606 --> 00:22:12,976 Speaker 1: The question is, did he or did he not do it? 352 00:22:14,086 --> 00:22:17,966 Speaker 2: If she can come to an understanding about that, maybe... 353 00:22:18,386 --> 00:22:23,086 Speaker 2: she'll finally understand the person she loves, her brother, who 354 00:22:23,106 --> 00:22:26,126 Speaker 2: has always been just out of reach.