WEBVTT - #362 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Chris Tapp

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's Laura and I writer. I am here

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<v Speaker 1>with an update on a case we shared with you

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<v Speaker 1>back in season one of False Confessions. It's the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a mother, Carol Dodge, and her relentless pursuit of

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<v Speaker 1>justice for her daughter Angie. Now, when we first aired

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<v Speaker 1>this story, the real perpetrator had been identified Brian Drips,

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<v Speaker 1>But since we aired this story, Brian Drips has been

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<v Speaker 1>tried and convicted, sentenced to twenty years to life for

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of Angie Dodge. But while Brian Dripps was

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<v Speaker 1>living as a freeman for twenty years, it was Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Tapp who suffered in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>No amount of money can ever make up for what

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<v Speaker 1>Chris lost. But I'm glad to tell you that the

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<v Speaker 1>State of Idaho settled Chris TAP's wrongful conviction case for

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<v Speaker 1>over eleven million dollars. To Chris and Carol were replaying

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<v Speaker 1>this story in your honor. Welcome to Wrongful Convictions Confessions.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura and I Writer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Steve Drissen.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to tell you about an Idaho man

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<v Speaker 1>named Chris Tap. Chris was just twenty years old when

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<v Speaker 1>he endured a mind bending twenty five hour interrogation that

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<v Speaker 1>transformed him from an innocent into a confessed murderer. Fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>for Chris, he found an indomitable champion in the victim's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She convinced police to use a revolutionary new method of

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<v Speaker 1>DNA identification to exonerate Chris Tap and find her own

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's killer.

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<v Speaker 2>There are certain special people you meet in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>people that I like to say are more evolved than

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of us, people that really inspire you. And

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Dodge is one of those people. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the few times in my career as a lawyer where

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<v Speaker 2>someone from the victim's family has asked me to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>an injustice and for a crime victim who was so

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<v Speaker 2>invested in Chris's guilt that she wanted him to get

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty, to evolve to a place where she

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking he might be innocent. That just blew me away.

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<v Speaker 2>How was it that a lay person could look at

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<v Speaker 2>these interrogation tapes and see all of the problems, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the coercion, all of the leading questions, all of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact feeding. When law enforcement officers on the Idaho

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<v Speaker 2>Falls Police Department couldn't see it themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And it shows that wrongful convictions affect more than just

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<v Speaker 1>the defendants. It's also the victim's families, the survivors of

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<v Speaker 1>these horrible attacks, who are being fed aligne about an

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<v Speaker 1>innocent person being guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't easy. She had help from a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other people, but it was her persistence and her desire

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<v Speaker 2>for knowledge that ultimately changed the course of this say.

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<v Speaker 1>Kristap's story starts in Idaho Falls, a town of about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand people in southeastern Idaho, about two hours

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<v Speaker 1>north of Yellowstone National Park. Idaho Falls is a beautiful place.

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<v Speaker 1>There's mountains on the horizon and the Snake River cut

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<v Speaker 1>straight through town. Gorgeous though it may be, the town

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<v Speaker 1>was wrecked by terrible ugliness nearly twenty four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>In June nineteen ninety six, Idaho Falls resident Angie Dodge

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<v Speaker 1>was eighteen years old. She graduated from high school the

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<v Speaker 1>year before, a head of schedule with honors, and life

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<v Speaker 1>was just beginning for her. She was working two jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>taking a few classes at Idaho State, becoming independent. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Angie had just recently moved into her first apartment, the

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<v Speaker 1>upper floor of a little frame house on Eye Street

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<v Speaker 1>where she lived by herself. But on the morning of Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>June thirteenth, Angie didn't show up for her day job

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<v Speaker 1>at a local buse supply store. A friend stopped by

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment to make sure she was okay, but by

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<v Speaker 1>eleven o'clock that friend was frantically dialing nine to one one.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd found Angie Dodge lying face up on her bedroom floor,

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<v Speaker 1>half naked and clearly dead. Angie's head was against the

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom wall with her legs outstretched. Next to her, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a basket of stuffed animals, including a teddy bear,

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<v Speaker 1>specked in blood. She'd been stabbed fourteen times and her

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<v Speaker 1>throat had been cut.

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<v Speaker 2>She was nearly decapitated. Most of the apartment was undisturbed,

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<v Speaker 2>so all of the activity between the assailant and Angie

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<v Speaker 2>took place in her bedroom. The crime scene did not

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<v Speaker 2>suggest a prolonged struggle. Angie was six feet tall, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had a reputation of not taking guph from anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she would have been the kind of victim

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<v Speaker 2>to have fought back, and she did have a few

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<v Speaker 2>defensive wounds on her arms and her wrists. The police

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<v Speaker 2>theorized that she had been attacked in her sleep and

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<v Speaker 2>quickly overwhelmed. But who would want to hurt Angie Dodge.

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<v Speaker 1>The police assured Angie's family, including her mom Carol, that

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<v Speaker 1>the killer had left damning evidence behind. Seaman left on

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<v Speaker 1>Angie's body yielded a full DNA profile, but police ran

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<v Speaker 1>the profile through the state and national DNA databases and

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<v Speaker 1>got no hits. They compared it against Angie's male friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family members, still no hits, and as summer turned

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<v Speaker 1>to fall and the temperatures dropped, the case went cold too.

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<v Speaker 1>The case stayed cold until January nineteen ninety seven, when

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<v Speaker 1>an acquaintance of Angie's named Ben Hobbs was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada for a knife point sexual assault. Police started questioning

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<v Speaker 1>Ben about whether he was involved in the attack on Angie,

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<v Speaker 1>which seemed to be similar, but Ben insisted he had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with Angie Dodge and eventually lawyered up.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead, police turned to his friend, Chris Tap to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they could get some dirt on Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, Chris was twenty years old, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>year or two older than Angie. In fact, he and

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<v Speaker 2>Angie and Ben were part of a young group of

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<v Speaker 2>people who hung out on the trails along the Snake

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<v Speaker 2>River and partied from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>This group of friends called themselves the river Rats crew,

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<v Speaker 1>and police figured that if one of the river Rats

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<v Speaker 1>had attacked Angie, then the others would know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was Chris Tap a river Rat, but one

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<v Speaker 1>of the police officers had known Chris for years. He

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<v Speaker 1>figured it'd be easy to use their trusting relationship to

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<v Speaker 1>make Chris give up whatever he knew about Ben Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>fall of the police decided to question Chris, and here

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<v Speaker 1>come the interrogations, not one, not two, but eventually nine

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<v Speaker 1>of them, spread out over nearly four weeks, for a

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<v Speaker 1>total of twenty five hours of questioning. The statements that

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<v Speaker 1>police get archaotic, confused, jumbled, and the tactics police used, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a recipe for wrongful conviction. It all began for

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<v Speaker 1>Chris on Tuesday, January seventh. The officer starts by asking

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<v Speaker 1>Chris about Ben's possible role in Angie's death. Chris denies

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<v Speaker 1>knowing anything about it, over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm going to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Straight up and truful with you.

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<v Speaker 2>If I did anything know about this, I would.

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<v Speaker 4>Say what I do on them. That's all true, not lying.

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<v Speaker 1>But the police have an unsolved murder on their hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris's possible knowledge about Ben Hobbs was the only

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<v Speaker 1>lead they had. They try to create leverage with Chris

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<v Speaker 1>by implying that he's withholding crucial information and that there

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<v Speaker 1>could be consequences if the investigators don't get what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>The deeper they get into the interview, the more police

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<v Speaker 1>up the pressure. They tell Chris that he has to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them something about Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this officer was not a stranger to Chris. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a school resource officer whom Chris had known throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his life, and one of the tactics this officer used

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<v Speaker 2>was the false friend technique, suggesting that he was there

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<v Speaker 2>to help Chris to see him through this problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I should be.

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<v Speaker 5>Saying this, but I kind of close to you. I've

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<v Speaker 5>got to know not on these crimes. I could go

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<v Speaker 5>out to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the police suggests that if Chris tells them something

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<v Speaker 1>about Ben, then they'd pull some strings that even though

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting dragged into the investigation, they'd protect him. He

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have anything to worry about. It's a theme they'd

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<v Speaker 1>go on to repeat again and again, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Will get everything the kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris continues to insist that he doesn't have anything to

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<v Speaker 1>tell them, and eventually the cops let him go home,

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<v Speaker 1>But a few days later, on Friday, January tenth, the

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<v Speaker 1>police are back. They still suspect that Chris is withholding

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<v Speaker 1>information to protect his friend. They need more leverage, so

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<v Speaker 1>they give him a polygraph test and they tell him

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<v Speaker 1>that he flunked it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was extremely painful to watch because you see someone's

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<v Speaker 2>will being broken over and over and over again by

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<v Speaker 2>these two interrogators, primarily their friend, the school resource officer

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<v Speaker 2>and the polygrapher.

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<v Speaker 1>They also tell Chris that by covering for his friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris is making himself an accessory to murder, and the

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<v Speaker 1>police start warning him that the law treats cover ups

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<v Speaker 1>the same as the crime. In other words, Chris Tap

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<v Speaker 1>is now facing the gas chamber.

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<v Speaker 5>Are looking at it. The possibility getting charged with the

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<v Speaker 5>murder one which max penalty is dead middle a penalty

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<v Speaker 5>is life, a person footnot row, and save your time period.

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<v Speaker 4>To save your life.

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<v Speaker 2>The thread of death penalty is in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris is terrified and so he starts to make things

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<v Speaker 1>up in order to please his interrogators and save himself

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<v Speaker 1>from a death sentence. He tells a story in which

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<v Speaker 1>he'd heard Ben Hobbes admit to killing Angie, and the

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<v Speaker 1>cops eat it up. By now they can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>take Ben down for rape and murder, with Chris as

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<v Speaker 1>the star member of their team.

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<v Speaker 2>The school resource officer tells Chris at one point that

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<v Speaker 2>he really wants Chris to help in nailing Ben Hobbes

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<v Speaker 2>so that he could drop kick Ben Hobbes through the

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<v Speaker 2>goalposts of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Toxic masculinity, anybody, Huh.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm serious? Heart attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives keep pushing for more details, and they help Chris

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<v Speaker 1>out by giving him hints about what they think happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They tell Chris, for example, that Angie had been stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>with a knife. Pretty soon Chris agrees and says he

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<v Speaker 1>heard Ben describe using a knife. But even as Chris

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<v Speaker 1>regurgitates these details, he's freaking out, crying hard, terrified that

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he says won't satisfy his interrogators, that instead of

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<v Speaker 1>helping police drop kick Ben, he'll end up being the football.

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<v Speaker 1>But the cops still don't seem convinced, and they start

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<v Speaker 1>asking whether the DNA left on Angie's body might belong

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<v Speaker 1>to Chris. He rallies, take my DNA. It ain't going

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<v Speaker 1>to be me. He says, I was never inside Angie's apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>The police let Chris go home again, but they still

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<v Speaker 1>think he's not telling them everything he knows about Ben Hobbes.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next day, January eleventh, they arrest Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>charge him as an accessory who helped cover up Angie

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<v Speaker 1>Dodge's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And that threat or suggestion of the gas chamber that's

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<v Speaker 2>becoming realer and realer to Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty soon, the promise of help gets more real too.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris gets a lawyer, and that lawyer negotiates an immunity agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the deal, Chris would escape charges if he provides

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<v Speaker 1>information about who raped and killed Angie Dodge. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be information that the police will believe, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police tell him that in order to go free,

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<v Speaker 1>they expect him to say he was present during the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>in their words, get us up close. If he does that,

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<v Speaker 1>they suggest he can go home. They'll leave him alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can't help you now. Chris has no choice,

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<v Speaker 1>but to tell lies placing him inside Angie's bedroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>as police keep pushing, Chris has to take the story

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<v Speaker 1>further and further. By the very end, he agrees that

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<v Speaker 1>he slashed Angie with a knife and held her down

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<v Speaker 1>while Ben raped her.

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<v Speaker 2>To cut Angie Dodge across the.

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<v Speaker 5>Right breast with the knife.

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<v Speaker 1>Is even though Chris now has agreed to say he

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<v Speaker 1>was directly involved, he can't get the story right. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know basic facts like the layout of Angie's apartment

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<v Speaker 1>or what room the attack occurred in. In fact, at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, the police take Chris to Eye Street so

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<v Speaker 1>he can point out Angie's home and walk them through

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<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, but he can't even tell them which

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<v Speaker 1>house she lived in. He guesses that she lived on

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<v Speaker 1>the corner when she really lived in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the block.

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<v Speaker 2>This should have been a huge red flag to these officers.

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<v Speaker 2>He had previously told them that they won't find his

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<v Speaker 2>DNA there because he'd never been to Angie's apartment. But

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<v Speaker 2>they are stuck in the Chris tap box and they

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<v Speaker 2>can't get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They refuse to get out of it, even when a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem emerges about a week later.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a problem we've seen in case after case. By

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<v Speaker 2>January eighteenth, the police have done DNA testing and the

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<v Speaker 2>results are back. Their DNA from the crime scene does

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<v Speaker 2>not belong to either Ben Hobbs or Chris Tap.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of them could have been Angie's rapist, and police

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<v Speaker 1>accept that Ben Hobbs had nothing to do with this crime.

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<v Speaker 1>But Chris, on the other hand, he had confessed to

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<v Speaker 1>being there, and why would anyone confess unless they were guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>The police decide they'll never know whose DNA was left

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<v Speaker 1>at the crime scene, but they stick to their belief

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was involved. They conclude that he's been protecting the

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<v Speaker 1>identity of the real rapist this whole time. They're furious

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<v Speaker 1>and the immunity deal is yanked off the table. Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Tap is charged with first degree murder and sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 1>and the county prosecutor announces that he'll seek the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>At Chris's trial, prosecutors show the jury one brief clip

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<v Speaker 1>from the interrogation Cherry picked from twenty five hours of videotape.

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<v Speaker 1>This excerpt makes his confession seem spontaneous and voluntary, and

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<v Speaker 1>on May twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight, Chris tap is

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of the rape and murder of Angie Dodge. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where the hero of our story first comes in

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<v Speaker 1>Angie's mother, Carol Dodge, a heartbroken but ferocious woman. Carol

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<v Speaker 1>was tortured by the thought that one of Angie's attackers

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<v Speaker 1>was still free, the one who had raped her, and

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<v Speaker 1>Carol believed Chris knew who the rapist was, so when

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<v Speaker 1>the time came for sentencing, Carol Dodge begged the judge

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<v Speaker 1>to give Chris the death penalty. When the judge gave

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<v Speaker 1>him life in prison instead, Carol broke down sobbing to

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<v Speaker 1>her justice hadn't been served. Carol Dodge was right, justice

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been served, but the failures here were more profound

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<v Speaker 1>and troubling than even she imagined at first. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>an unanswered question remained at the heart of Angie Dodge's case.

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<v Speaker 1>Whose DNA had been left on her body?

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<v Speaker 2>The investigation had stalled, and Carol's frustration was going through

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<v Speaker 2>the roof intol. One day, about twelve or thirteen years

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<v Speaker 2>after Angie's death, Carol decided to take the matter into

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<v Speaker 2>her own hands, and the first thing she wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>look at were the videotapes of Chris TAP's interrogation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first time she's seen these tapes from start

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<v Speaker 1>to finish, and as she watches them, she's growing angrier

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<v Speaker 1>and angrier because those tapes are making her think that

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Tap might be innocent. Carol starts doing research online

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<v Speaker 1>about false confessions, and whose name comes up, but Steve Drisen.

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<v Speaker 1>She picks up the phone and calls them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'll never forget this. I was sitting at my

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<v Speaker 2>desk one afternoon. It was February twenty second, twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and the phone ran and on the other end was

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Dodge. Now I knew who Carol Dodge was. I

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<v Speaker 2>had read about the cap case. I had seen Carol

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<v Speaker 2>on an episode of Dateline, but I had never received

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<v Speaker 2>a call from a crime victim before. Asking for my assistance,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, would you mind reviewing and analyzing these interrogation videos?

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<v Speaker 2>Who could say no to Carol Dodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Carol sent the videotapes and Steve watched them all. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an expert report deeming Chris Tapp's confessions unreliable. But

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<v Speaker 1>even as Steve and Carroll worked together, others were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to raise questions too. An advocacy group called Judges for

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<v Speaker 1>Justice started pushing to reopen the investigation. Two former FBI

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<v Speaker 1>agents reviewed the case and concluded that the Idaho fall

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<v Speaker 1>of Police investigation was deeply flawed, and an internationally recognized

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<v Speaker 1>expert concluded that that Chris Tapp's polygraph had been a sham.

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<v Speaker 1>The results, he said, weren't worth the paper they were

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<v Speaker 1>written on.

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<v Speaker 2>Things were starting to congeal around the idea that Chris

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<v Speaker 2>was wrongfully convicted. Chris TAP's own attorneys and representatives of

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<v Speaker 2>the Idaho Innocence Project were beginning to push the innocence

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<v Speaker 2>narrative in court.

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<v Speaker 1>What the team really needed was more forensic testing to

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<v Speaker 1>show that Chris taps DNA was nowhere in Angie Dodge's bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Under previous Idaho law, defendants like Chris could only seek

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<v Speaker 1>DNA testing during the year immediately following conviction, but that

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<v Speaker 1>restriction was lifted in twenty ten and Chris's team jumped

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<v Speaker 1>at the opportunity. They had additional testing done on some

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<v Speaker 1>other things from Angie's bedroom, that Teddy bear with the

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<v Speaker 1>blood on it, and some articles of her clothing. What

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<v Speaker 1>was found the same DNA profile as the person who

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<v Speaker 1>had left his seamen. We now had multiple DNA hits

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<v Speaker 1>to the same guy. While we didn't know who that

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<v Speaker 1>guy was, we did know he wasn't Chris Tap. Based

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<v Speaker 1>on all these new discoveries, Carol Dodge becomes convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Tap is innocent, and she starts bringing pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>bear on the local police department to release Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>find her daughter's actual killer. In May twenty sixteen, Chris

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<v Speaker 1>TAP's lawyer filed a post conviction petition alleging that new

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<v Speaker 1>evidence had cast doubt on the reliability of TAP's confession,

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<v Speaker 1>and pretty soon an enormous collection of forces was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Idaho to do the right thing. Judges

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<v Speaker 1>for Justice was releasing expert reports and calling for Chris's release,

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<v Speaker 1>The Idaho Innocence Project was talking about the new DNA results,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Idaho Falls Post Register, the local newspaper, was

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<v Speaker 1>hammering the prosecutor to release Chris. One local journalist became

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<v Speaker 1>particularly invested in the case. His name is Brian Clark.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the opinion editor of the Post Register in Idaho Falls,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm a former reporter there. I first heard about

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<v Speaker 6>the case shortly before Judges for Justice started releasing their

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<v Speaker 6>reports about it. My editor approached me and said, I've

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<v Speaker 6>got a gift for you. It's not going to feel

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<v Speaker 6>like a gift, but I promise it is, And he

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<v Speaker 6>introduced me to the Dodge case and the Tap conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the Innocence Project in New York had joined the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one was pushing harder than Carol Dodge. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes an army sometimes, and she was the general Lisimo.

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<v Speaker 6>An example of her tenacity you can actually see in

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<v Speaker 6>the architecture of the police station. There are a pair

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<v Speaker 6>of doors that are in between the sort of main

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<v Speaker 6>lobby area and the area where the detectives and other

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<v Speaker 6>police are. The reason they were put in is that

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<v Speaker 6>Carol Dodge would show up at the police station, walk

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<v Speaker 6>right past the front desk and into the chief's office

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<v Speaker 6>and start demanding that he you know, what are you

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<v Speaker 6>doing to find my daughter's killer? And so they finally

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<v Speaker 6>had to put indoors to keep her from doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>They're referred to as the Carol Doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, prosecutors decide that they're not yet ready to exonerate Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>but they would agree based on this new DNA evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that Chris should be granted immediate release. So in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Tap walked out of prison, not yet exonerated, but

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<v Speaker 1>a freeman after spending twenty years behind bars.

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<v Speaker 6>You see all the evidence stack up and it becomes

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<v Speaker 6>clear the guys spent twenty years behind bars for something

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<v Speaker 6>he didn't do, and that did keep me up at nights. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 6>after working on it for years, I did not think

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<v Speaker 6>it was going to be remedied. So it was really

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<v Speaker 6>great to watch them take those handcuffs off. That made

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<v Speaker 6>me really happy. The first two people to give him

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<v Speaker 6>a hug was his mother, Vera and Carol. They hugged

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<v Speaker 6>and they were both crying, and it was just really remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bittersweet moment. Dodge was relieved that Chris

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<v Speaker 2>had been released, but she was also concerned would the

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<v Speaker 2>Idaho Falls police and prosecutors now give up the search

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<v Speaker 2>for Andy's killer. There was no way she was going

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<v Speaker 2>to allow that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually, in these cases, the DNA profile eventually gets matched

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the identification of the real killer that leads

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<v Speaker 1>to full exoneration. But this wasn't happening for christ Tap.

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<v Speaker 1>The single DNA profile left at the scene was run

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<v Speaker 1>again and again through the National DNA database, but it

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<v Speaker 1>kept coming up dry. You see, profiles get added to

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<v Speaker 1>that database only when people are arrested or charged with

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<v Speaker 1>certain serious offenses. Clearly, whoever had done this to Angie

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<v Speaker 1>Dodge hadn't reoffended, at least not at the level of

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<v Speaker 1>severity that would lead to his DNA being included in

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<v Speaker 1>that database. But that didn't stop Carroll. She wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest until that mystery DNA was identified, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted Idaho police to try a brand new DNA identification

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<v Speaker 1>technique called genetic genealogy. Genetic genealogy is basically the use

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<v Speaker 1>of DNA evidence in combination with traditional genealogical information. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can identify whose DNA it is, at least you

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to identify that person's family tree. This

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<v Speaker 1>technique was recently used to solve the Golden State killer

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<v Speaker 1>case in California. Now in twenty fourteen, police had already

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<v Speaker 1>given genetic genealogy a shot in the case of Angi Dodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Using the DNA profile from the crime scene and an

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<v Speaker 1>ancestry dot com database, they obtained a partial DNA match

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<v Speaker 1>to a man in New Orleans, a possible suspect, a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Michael Ustri. They became more and more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in Usri after it turned out that he was a

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaker with a flair for the macabre. He had recently

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<v Speaker 1>created a short film called murder Abelia about the market

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<v Speaker 1>for collectibles related to real life killings.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he told the officers that he had been

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<v Speaker 2>to Idaho at some point around the time of this

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<v Speaker 2>crime on a camping trip, their expectations soared even higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Police interviewed Michael Usri and got his full DNA profile,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't match the DNA left at the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Film noir or not, he wasn't guilty. As for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else in the Usri family, tree police found themselves out

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<v Speaker 1>of leeds again. Every other male in the family was

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<v Speaker 1>ruled out too young, too old, never been to Idaho Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, Carol Dodge didn't give up. In twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she found the genetic genealogist who had cracked open the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden State killer case, doctor C. C. Moore. Carol pressured

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<v Speaker 1>police to hire doctor Moore, and they did. Doctor Moore

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<v Speaker 1>started looking through obituaries to fill in the blanks in

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<v Speaker 1>the USRI family tree, and she.

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<v Speaker 6>Was able to take samples that were found at the

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<v Speaker 6>crime scene and compare them to Geni law logical DNA database.

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<v Speaker 6>That led her to a family tree of individuals who

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<v Speaker 6>could be related to the person who left the DNA

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<v Speaker 6>at the crime scene. And only with the help of

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<v Speaker 6>an obscure record that they found in a library, they

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<v Speaker 6>were finally able to track down Brian Drips.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Dripps is a biological Uzri who had been adopted

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<v Speaker 1>by his stepfather and grew up as part of another family.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time his name came up in late twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Drips was fifty three years old, and it turned out

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<v Speaker 1>he used to live in Idaho Falls, right across the

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<v Speaker 1>street from Angie Dodge.

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<v Speaker 2>Police had actually interviewed him during a canvas of the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene and the area around where the crime occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>They interviewed the true killer within days of Angie Dodge's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Dripps had left Idaho Falls shortly after the killing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was now living in a different part of Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't in the national DNA database. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect suspect. Now all police needed was a complete

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<v Speaker 1>DNA match. They started tailing Drips, and they found their

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity when he threw a cigarette butt out his car window.

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<v Speaker 1>Police recovered that cigarette butt, and there it was a

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<v Speaker 1>DNA match to the evidence left in Angie's bedroom all

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<v Speaker 1>those years ago. After more than two decades, Brian Drips

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested for the rape and murder of Angie Dodge,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris Tap was finally exonerated in an Idaho courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>on July seventeenth, twenty nineteen. Since then, Chris Tap and

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<v Speaker 1>Carol Dodge have become close. They've even appeared on television

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<v Speaker 1>together to tell their intertwined stories of injustice. For his part,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Drips is currently incarcerated in Idaho Falls, where he's

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting trial on first degree murder and rape charges. He's

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<v Speaker 1>entered a plea if not guilty, for justice can be

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<v Speaker 1>a long, slow crawl. Carol and Chris know this better

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<v Speaker 1>than anyone.

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<v Speaker 6>Assuming Brian Drips is eventually convicted, she will have not

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<v Speaker 6>only freedom innocent man, but driven the effort to catch

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<v Speaker 6>the guilty one. She's been the driving force behind this

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<v Speaker 6>whole thing, both the exoneration of Chris Tap and the

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<v Speaker 6>apprehension of Brian drips.

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<v Speaker 2>Slowly but surely, over many years, she was able to

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<v Speaker 2>get the Idaho Falls Police out of the Chris tap box.

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<v Speaker 2>She got them to see the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Keryl, Yeah, Hi, how are you today, Steve.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm really sad. I was just sitting here thinking with

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<v Speaker 7>the cost of justice, those all the things that I

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<v Speaker 7>sacrificed because of people that could have done the right

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<v Speaker 7>thing at the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so important that you say that. People really don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a real price to your twenty three year.

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<v Speaker 7>Search for the troops. And I never allowed any of

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<v Speaker 7>the authorities to tell me. Now, for the time they

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<v Speaker 7>told me that something couldn't be done, I would just say,

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<v Speaker 7>we'll watch me.

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<v Speaker 4>There things that your work has done which you probably

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<v Speaker 4>can't even see or appreciate yet that I hope gives

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<v Speaker 4>you some comfort.

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<v Speaker 7>It does.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you.

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<v Speaker 7>I love you too, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, Chris, it's Laura. How are you good, Laura?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm good. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me about what you've been doing with your

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<v Speaker 1>time as a free man. I understand I've got a family.

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I have an amazing family. Lucie I got

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<v Speaker 3>out in March of twenty seventeen. I met my wife

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<v Speaker 3>two months later in May, and well would romance and

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<v Speaker 3>we were married in July. I have three beautiful step

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<v Speaker 3>children or children on my own as I could love

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<v Speaker 3>to call um. I have an almost twenty one year old,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a sixteen year old, and I almost got

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen year old boy. Tell me a little bit about.

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<v Speaker 7>What it's meant to you to have Carol Dodge sight

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<v Speaker 7>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Carol Dodge, I love her dearly more than most

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<v Speaker 3>people will ever know. The actual true killer of her

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<v Speaker 3>daughter would be caught, and I wouldn't have the exoneration

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<v Speaker 3>that wasn't for Carroll Dodge.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, it was a great honor for me to play

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<v Speaker 2>even a small role in your exoneration, and being in

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<v Speaker 2>that courtroom when you were finally cleared was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the highlights of my career. You've been given a gift,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you take this gift, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you will, and that you live a life that is

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<v Speaker 2>honorable and.

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<v Speaker 1>Worthy to Chris Tap and Carol Dodge, two of our heroes.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for letting us share your story. Wrongful conviction, false

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